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was hopeful for end but alas
Type: Posts; User: primordial woopons
ggs
was hopeful for end but alas
No no no I thought this would Chelsea at 3 I’m $%#!ing dumb
Yep and there’s the Mak vote
Oh $%#! I thought it was 3/3
##Vote Chelsea
I’m fine with rand
This just feels like straight wifom
How good is the mu scum game; specifically how good are they at infiltrating eod town core live posting?
Part of me also just doesn’t really want to have to live through another phase :/
Like what gives me pause about scum!Chelsea is that I just feel like she would be playing better. Scum!Claire feels like the duh read here.
Why do you have to show up only so close to deadline :///////
My gut says town will be in a better if I die than if psycho dies. I mean I guess that’s a lot of faith to put in here but ehhhhhO I meant voting Ria to tie it up
I got paranoid about something but I think it's unlikely you would be.. deliberately misrepresenting your voting intentions here or Logic would assume you didn't intend to self-pres
Uhh if I’m wrong about Chelsea we just lose and I don’t feel great about it given the depth to which I thought it
Ah $%#! let me think
Self hammering is lame tbh
Oh yeah, and any thoughts on pluff? In my eyes with you and her it’s close to a 1v1
Do not feel confident arguing this at lylo
So I guess we have 20 minutes
Honestly I do think my lynch at this point would be best for game state
And then what’s your reasoning for ria again? Why has it held up in lieu of everything that’s happened since then (did it fluctuate at any point?)
@Chelsea scale 1-10 what’s been your motivation for this game?
Oh yes @Claire the above question
I can’t tell if Claire would be seriously trying to pocket me or not. If she shows up I really would like to know why she seemed to firmly townread me.
And to reiterate, I think given the player list and events of D1-3, I don’t think a team of Mak/Claire would have the chance to take control, if the argument is for their rep. D1 they were both under heat, D2 was dominated by supa and they would operate more subtly, and D3 was just a crapshoot all around except for amy/supa/pb
Sorry if that’s crude :/
Does Claire have everyone by the balls or something?
@Logic any thoughts so far? I consider your slot locktown
@supa2 take note of this discussion if you make it to tomorrow
$%#! it, cheap-o town clears are overpowered, it’s Claire
Ah man there’s so many good memes to respond to this with, it’s too bad I’m not mobile :/I'll say I do agree that they don't seem to be considering any towniness with you, and they have done the same with me. And you make a good point about them not seeming to consider tone with you, because he did use tone as the primary reason for writing off Supa and Logic. Oh, I'm sorry. Paperblade who is now played by Logic.Ok idk, like I guess I’m not the one reading my posts so I’m not entirely sure how they come across, but I feel like there has to be enough for people to pick up on a thought process at least. Idk I guess I’ve been called out for being hard to follow in the past.I actually don't have a problem with him calling your posts anti-spew because it did feel like you were just throwing stuff out to look solvey and confuse the game as you wait for your inevitable yeet. I was actually going to say that your suggested option of just not saying anything isn't really anti-spew, because spew means you're saying things. If you're not talking, you're not spewing, anti- or otherwise.
Do you think town!Makaze would have a different take on your recent posts?
I think he would factor in the tonality of my posts more. He uses tone reads on everyone else and I know my tone is town, but iirc he hasn’t shown that he’s factored that into his case. Like him using his own doc claim to shade mine; I think town!Makaze would be able to look at that objectively, also given my explanation for why I did it.
For what it's worth, I don't think it looks like you don't have a thought process to follow like others. To me it just felt like you were spinning wheels and going around in circles.
If it was really just sully/Claire, then that’s like, lmao
And what was your stance on Claire?
I feel like your depth of thought is what gave me pause about your response to my sully case. What else do you think is hard to replicate in your town game. Also what’s your quick stance on Makaze rn?Ya pocketing people as scum is my specialty actually sorry and I tend to play a pretty pleasant scum game too. I get aggressive as both alignments but only by accident. There are some emotional subtleties that wouldn't come into play here
I don't think I'm out of my wolf range essentially because having to play with so much less information about the game is like making $%#! up until it works. I think my depth of thought has probably exceeded that of my wolf game. I haven't played wolf since actually 2017 tho so I don't think I would be doing this competently
Or certainly not tend towards the explanation that if he did it, then me doing is reason to scumread me. I think he’d judge as null.
Tbf I feel like I’m picking at smaller things against the grand scheme of Makaze, just cause they are directly relevant to me and I’m not going to read everything he posts. My motivation largely comes from PoE, and this is just makes more sense than the alternatives
Ok idk, like I guess I’m not the one reading my posts so I’m not entirely sure how they come across, but I feel like there has to be enough for people to pick up on a thought process at least. Idk I guess I’ve been called out for being hard to follow in the past.I actually don't have a problem with him calling your posts anti-spew because it did feel like you were just throwing stuff out to look solvey and confuse the game as you wait for your inevitable yeet. I was actually going to say that your suggested option of just not saying anything isn't really anti-spew, because spew means you're saying things. If you're not talking, you're not spewing, anti- or otherwise.
Do you think town!Makaze would have a different take on your recent posts?
I think he would factor in the tonality of my posts more. He uses tone reads on everyone else and I know my tone is town, but iirc he hasn’t shown that he’s factored that into his case. Like him using his own doc claim to shade mine; I think town!Makaze would be able to look at that objectively, also given my explanation for why I did it.
Hey @jumpluff! I feel like you’re generally a nice person and so you can pocket people naturally. Do you play towards as scum?
You still didn’t answer the question. How do you as town think me dumping my thoughts is anti-spew when you know there are easier ways to anti-spew. Why does this not overrule your thought that I would play dead? Even if I wouldn’t play dead as scum, how are the posts even trying to save my prospective buddies?
The idea that Claire/Makaze would have more control now I think is what has to give wrt the remaining associatives.
@Makaze please tell me precisely how my thought dump “does not make sense” and “is full of contradictions”. Why does town!Makaze here not even make the effort to entertain how there is a consistent thought process to the posts
Actually psycho, what do you think of Mak calling my posts anti-spew. Would town Makaze really think this?
I’m going back and forth on Sully/Claire now. My gut is telling me it’s not Sully/pluff and that Makaze’s case on Sully is on the same order as mine, where it’s just, townies do scummy things all the time, and it’s easy to manipulate that
You didn’t actually answer the latter questionI already answered that in P#2965, but I'm not sure what you're asking if that's not the answer.
If there's something I'm forgetting I've probably already said it in one of my arguments throughout the game.
P#2093 is my case on you and your reaction on D2, first case is you look back with Athena and second is why I thought it was scummy to ask about my scumgame when you supposedly read my case on you yesterday
Why you work with Sully in P#2386/P#1585
PoE analysis in P#2422
Answered your question in P#2423
My case on you today in #2522 looks at why you look bad with fjp too and that you make sense in a Chelsea world
At first I thought you couldn't work with ari because of your shade earlygame, but my iso of Psycho made me reconsider
I think you work in both worlds and locked in on voting me because you have no option but to loosen poe
I feel like no one responded to my Psycho case unless you count woopons and all he said was "It's easy to fake wagonomics but idk". Psycho has completely dropped their wagonomics case after I called them on it and no one is seeing it as weird.
I might have missed it but why did you put jump back in the PoE?You/Chelsea > Logic > Mak/jump
I'm fairly certain scum is just you and Chelsea, and if we're wrong on you, I'm even more certain of Chelsea.
I thought PB looked pretty good on D1 and their start to d2 felt incredibly motivated, but Logic's presence has been less than inspiring so far. Their slot's placement on the fjp wagon is solid bus territory, too.
If I'm wrong on the first three, then the Mak tinfoil comes back on almost immediately, and I get paranoid that I'm letting myself get snowed by jump for basically being around when I am. I think Mak has bus equity considering the gamestate flow, and this pivot focus on me instead of woopons feels hella opportunistic. jump also doesn't look great for sort of buddying me and fueling your wagon after defending you quite strongly early this phase.
But in all honesty, if you or Chelsea flip today and you're green, I'm looking at the other three closer before I just stick with my confident solve.
For everyone seeing this, please read my argument P#2778Fully aware, which is why I'm considering the rest of my solve more seriously if you flip wrong (as I don't think a Chelsea wagon happens today at this point).PB is town apparently for reasons I shouldn’t discuss, and I guess you can trust like all the flipped town, cause he has a pretty distinct meta
Also we don’t have time to be wrong twice just fyi
I'm going to point back to my argument in P#2778 about he said it was jumpluff but has changed to calling it Sully after I called you out on it but never responded to it in P#2749.Not at all. I'm aware of their name, but I don't think I've ever read any of their games, and pretty sure I never played with them.Feel like I should ask you about pluff but not exactly sure what since I really only skimmed your interactions. Tbh the more I sit here the more I want to switch sully with claire.
I guess for starters are you familiar with jumpluff’s meta?
My main reasons for writing off jumpluff are A) Sully's d3 vote on Chelsea looks like a townie joining two other townies to try and go against the mounting misyeet on Bartozio. Being on the side of my slot helps a lot, too, as that gives me two confirmed town perspectives that was thinking along the same lines to some extent.
And B) Our interactions over night made me feel like we were operating on a similar wavelength and both earnestly trying to solve the game. Same with Supa.
Simply put I don't buy that you don't think that it mattered because you mentioned it for on Chelsea who didn't do it and then came back to woopons, but only mentioned you had the same read on woopons when I called you out on it. If you wanted to note things and show your progression then I think you would say it before I forced you like you did with your Chelsea case. This is what I meant by an unnatural progression, you're saying as much about woopons as absolutely necessary but are waffling on Chelsea more naturally.Because I was focused on Chelsea at the time and was still ruminating over what I thought about woopons. By the time I made the post on woopons, I wasn't that fussed about the claims because I decided it was ultimately a mess that hurts town more than anything. I had the woopons thought of being possibly more clean when I made that Chelsea post, but after reading more of how woopons handled the claim and getting more EOD context, I felt it really was just shady for him. Particularly with the p#1100 that I pointed out.I pretty much said everything in my Psycho read
I agree with supa that you're speaking without actually solving right now, and posting every thought you have despite contradictions makes more sense as anti-spew than leaving a legacy
That doesn't explain why not mentioning them is a result of not reading in depth. Why would it make you make you misfire on town but completely ignore scum?
This is where I'm at. He's been on every team I've had because he contradicts himself and makes sense with everyone. I feel like this is how he's played all game, and he isn't changing, he's just dialed it to 11. I could see it if he was coming to conclusions but he's contradicting himself constantly
His POE doesn't make sense as town progression
???
Why did you say think that it would make Chelsea look super town if she was doc covering, but then ignore how it looks for woopons actually doing it in the next sentence? Why didn't this come up until I called you on it?
Breaks over, I'll be back at around 5pm
It's cute that you're trying to "gotcha" me, but you're losing the game if you vote me. Just stick with your woopons read and let's body the wolves.
I can't be the only one who is pinged by this AtE.
Is that would you do here as scum? I don't think you would give up when there's at my wagon and would try to present your town game until EoD.
I'm out of time for my lunch
I'll be back around 730 but I'll sneak to the bathroom to keep up on reading
Or is there hammer now?
@jumpluff if you’re here that’d awesome
Don’t feel like voting psycho just to tie, honestly feel like we’d be lost if he flips town with me still around. Plus Makaze will probably just hammer me anyway
Re that one question @Makaze: wow fair enough I’m blind. I think it was part of the greater point that I feel like you’re consciously ignoring my town tells because you need to construct and push this case. I feel the same way looking at the psycho case now, on the surface it looks good, but really you just took of posts which are fine and called them scummy. You’re doing the same thing to my posts - I feel like you are manifesting a natural town sort of doubt.
Actually why am I addressing this to Makaze. Makaze is consistently taking NAI posts and painting them as scummy. Despite what he says about players not having natural progression, it’s his own posts which are unnatural. What psycho says is true, town reads jump much more freely but I don’t if Makaze has done that once this game. His case progression, I guess in particular the last few days feels entirely constructed with the point to line up mislynches.
I think it’s interesting he brings up a point about how psycho was trying to widen Poe when this is exactly what he did in one of his posts where he said “there are too many scum in this game”, which was very much at odds with the majority of town at the time. I didn’t think much of it at the time, but I feel like now this makes perfect sense to setup pushing for people being mostly townread.
In my mind it’s as simple as it’s not PB/supa and I reaaaallly don’t think it’s ria/psycho and I don’t think it’s Claire/Sully so it has to be Mak
I took a nap and am back.
And I guess I want to ask - did you really think I was anti-spewing and not also think “no that doesn’t make sense, if he wanted to anti-spew he would just not post”?
I was wrong on each of those players cause I didn’t pay close attention to their posts and chose wrong when it mattered.
Look at how Makaze refuses to acknowledge every reason there is to townread me. @Makaze you keep calling me out on dodging questions so why did you dodge mine?
Yes posting every thought you have makes sense as anti-spew, of course
Actually is them not having control based on your own read or cause that’s the general consensus?
Does Mak not have control of game state right now though? My lynch was led by him. Chelsea just appears to not really care about the game. And I guess even if they were in control, would you be able to tell?
Is joke
Feel like I should ask you about pluff but not exactly sure what since I really only skimmed your interactions. Tbh the more I sit here the more I want to switch sully with claire.I promise if you're town, I'll take your words into consideration. I won't just let it be ignored.
And yeah, I'm around, I'm just also doing my usual "waking up" routines and whatnot. Feel free to ask me anything.
I guess for starters are you familiar with jumpluff’s meta?
Originally Posted by Psycho666Soldier