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  1. Day 3#1407

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    Completed I feel like I did some scrutiny earlier, but I...

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1389)
    How has this guy escaped scrutiny all game btw? He's been trying to lynch everyone
    I feel like I did some scrutiny earlier, but I didn't see anything wolfy, which is why I backed off of him. We resolved that back in P#709.
  2. Day 3#1410

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    Completed It's more like there was no real motive either...

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1406)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1396)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1390)
    So I'm thinking now hollowkat + el ahrairah
    Prove it. Get me lynched.
    I'm only going to ask you this one time though. What happens to your world building when I flip green?

    I can understand suspecting El, he did fake claim Role Oracle thereby forcing Wisdom out of hiding, but not really hiding.

    Explain to me the world that makes sense where I want Wisdom and Percy dead? Neither of them had a strong scum read on me, neither of them were a thorn in my side.

    Likewise, neither of them were particularly interested in town reading me and giving me coverage. They were both semi-leaning town and were likely moving in a HK town direction. So having them NK doesn't make sense.

    Don't you think I'd be more interested in a NK like yourself? Or maybe Batman?

    Walk me through the HK is scum world that you are seeing and don't just say "it's because he's trying to get everyone lynched".

    I've voted for 6 players. You've voted for 6 players as well. Should I argue that "you're trying to get everyone lynched"?

    To compare, my votes have been for: Litten, Soneji, El, Capage, FTF/Marl, Chocolate
    Your votes have been for: Capage, Geyde, Litten, FTF/Marl, HK, El

    The difference being I've voted scum and you haven't. We share Litten, Capage, FTF/Marl, and El. We differ on Chocolate, Geyde, HK, Soneji.

    If you ask me, your voting history is more bs than mine is. But sure, lets go with "trying to get everyone lynched".
    "I didnt kill these guys cause they were townreading me!!!"

    Dude... wtf kind of town perspective is that? You are not doing yourself any favors. And scum have the easier time voting scum cause THEY KNOW WHO SCUM IS.
    It's more like there was no real motive either way. What the reasoning behind HK killing those two if he were scum?

    (Though, random musing, not sure we can analyze the motive behind the NK on Percy, cause to me it seems like the wolves did him a favor by taking him out of the game after his day from hell. That's what I'd like to believe.)
  3. Day 3#1420

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed Yeah, this sounds like a solid plan. I'm gonna be...

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1419)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#1414)
    Okay so tomorrow I’m not going to be here a lot, because I’m going somewhere so this is what I think should happen.

    I think we always need to lynch Flush/Marluxion here. At this point, I honestly don’t care if he’s villager or mafia, but yeah he’s a lot more useful if he’s dead and the other people are right on that.

    If flush is a mafia, I think the next lynch should be Abraxax. At this point with how he’s interacting with marluxion, I’m just going to assume that Abraxax “derp clear” involving marluxion is false is flush is a wolf.

    If flush is town. I think the next lynch should always be chocolate here. I think Batman is town, and I am kind of sure on Hollow being town. (If they don’t die eventually I would kill them). With the way trauma is acting I don’t think he’s mafia, so I think it would always be El-Chocolate if flush isn’t mafia.

    This post is made after a lot of thinking because I’m very unsure of myself now
    I can agree to that lynch order. I thin it's got the highest probability of hitting multiple wolves before we're doomed.
    Yeah, this sounds like a solid plan. I'm gonna be out probs for the night in a bit, and then driving several hours tomorrow morning, so I probs won't be around until tomorrow afternoon. Definitely before EoD tho.
  4. Day 3#1559

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    Completed I'm legitimately posting this from a pro...

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1548)

    Trauma is a weird duck to put into a bucket. Half the time they're innocent town being all fumbly.
    The other half the time they're making weird mistakes, talking about editing their thoughts, not wanting to make waves, and generally saying things that town shouldn't be saying. Then they'll randomly drop some "wise beyond their years" type of post and make things look "normal" again.
    I'm legitimately posting this from a pro wrestling show so sorry for the absence

    I laughed out loud at this because it's just such an accurate read of me as a person and you've never even met me.

    I'm posting in between matches so bear with me.
  5. Day 3#1564

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed Hollow already said that your arguments were an...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#1510)
    all of your arguments are just explaining why i shouldn't feel bad that i'm getting mislynched for no purpose

    i dont know how you expect me to retort
    Hollow already said that your arguments were an appeal to emotion. If you want to convince us that your slot is town, then personally I need to see a convincing alternate scenario. How would you explain FTF pushing Capage when he "knew" Soneji was a wolf? I know you're not likely to know for sure, but I'd sure like to hear your best guess.

    And yeah, real sorry about coming into a slot that's been widely scumread but it would be silly for us to throw out any evidence gathered from FTF.
  6. Day 3#1565

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed I think part of why I'm having so much fun is I'm...

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1561)
    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1559)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1548)

    Trauma is a weird duck to put into a bucket. Half the time they're innocent town being all fumbly.
    The other half the time they're making weird mistakes, talking about editing their thoughts, not wanting to make waves, and generally saying things that town shouldn't be saying. Then they'll randomly drop some "wise beyond their years" type of post and make things look "normal" again.
    I'm legitimately posting this from a pro wrestling show so sorry for the absence

    I laughed out loud at this because it's just such an accurate read of me as a person and you've never even met me.

    I'm posting in between matches so bear with me.
    I've found a lot of the time that people play mafia with their real personalities. Either that or the complete opposite lol
    I think part of why I'm having so much fun is I'm learning a lot about reading people!
  7. Day 3#1566

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed And yeah, I'm just having a really hard time...

    And yeah, I'm just having a really hard time reading Chocolate as scum. I think I'm keeping my vote where it is.
    I'll read through later and double check.
  8. Day 3#1630

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    Completed I think it's going to end up being a mistake to...

    I think it's going to end up being a mistake to not push Marl here. I just keep going back and head scratching and that's what makes the most sense to me.

    I don't really know where this Chocolate push is coming from. I've read the evidence, like her saying that she'd be the next target after Geyde, and it's just... not seeming scummy to me.
    Okay, maybe that's a slip and she knew Geyde was town. Or maybe, and this is what I think is more likely, she was fairly confident about Geyde, and suspicious of Batman, and figured that if Geyde flipped green that would be his next move. I see the thought process there.

    I just feel like we've almost lynched Marl's slot for three days, and then we chicken out right at the end of the day, every day. And I'm never really confident as to why.
  9. Day 4#1693

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed Oh geez. I was so sure and now I have no idea...

    Oh geez. I was so sure and now I have no idea what to think.
    Guess it's time to re-read. And have a breakfast.
  10. Day 4#1702

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    Completed My reads got all shaken up, so I'm head...

    My reads got all shaken up, so I'm head scratching. Batman doesn't appear to be scum from my initial scan of his ISO. That's just a gutread but I'll still give him another look later.

    I also only skimmed El, but... I didn't see anything that hard cleared them in my mind.

    Abraxas is hard to read in general. He's been a part of weird pushes for weird reasons so for now I'm scumreading him.

    I don't know what to think about Chocolate. I was sure she was town, and now I'm very not sure.

    I'm still townreading HK but God Damn if he's scum I'll have to wear a big pointy dunce cap until February.

    I'm gonna go off into the world and do my errands and maybe my brain will spit something out later, that's how it usually works.

    Until then:

  11. Day 4#1805

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed I slept on it, and I currently am scumreading...

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1760)
    @TraumaWard In what way is Abraxas resolved for you now? If you've reached a solid conclusion on him, talk me through it. If you've already done that then ignore this post and I'll read it when I get to it.
    I slept on it, and I currently am scumreading Abraxas. It's not resolved in the way that I thought it would be.

    My reasoning isn't solid. It's basically that Abraxas has had... weird reasoning as of late. Here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1709)
    It's hard to tell which one between hollow and el are batman's partner because they both just waffle around hemming and hawwing only to end up voting incorrectly. Makes no sense to write those big posts and still not be sure on who to vote EOD?

    Batman is 99% scum because I have NEVER seen him as town be calm, understanding, and almost begging to have his POV heard. If he is town he just calls people idiots and acts obstreperous
    Abraxas scumreads Hollow and El in this post because of... them being unsure/them being wrong? That would scumread everyone in the game tbh.

    Also:

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1712)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1711)
    I just want someone to confirm for me that my math is right and today is lynch mafia or lose.

    Because if it is then we ought to do this in an orderly fashion.
    Yes it's lylo. Wussies would like to no lynch here but I think that's scary cause it means only one town that votes wrong can lose us the game.

    I dunno who'd they nightkill, but I'm 99% sure chocolate is town due to the batman vote and leaving it up to random. This means d2 was all towns being voted (geyde, flush, me). There is a modus operandi here and that means the wolves vote separate wagons (aka El + batman)

    Anyway just vote batman, we can debate if El is his teammate or trauma later, but I'm 99% sure it's batman and then 85% sure it's El due to how the game has been going (too many towns being voted every wagon, no counterwagons scum)
    Here, just three posts later, it's no longer hollow and now it's El and me. Pretty quick flip. If you have a reason for this @Abraxas I'd love to hear it!

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1761)
    ZOMG is this a thing? Chocolate makes a comment about Batman chatting up women and later Batman makes a comment that he's going out with a girl? Possible wolf-chat slip into the game thread??? Has anyone looked at potential Batman/Michelle?
    There was a big conversation in the gamethread that's about this. Relevant post here:

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1494)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1460)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1362)
    Michelle shut up... are you saying the other wagons were wolves? You make no sense.
    how many times you had succes irl when you told to a woman to shut up? asking from curiosity.

    Game related, I have to shut up cuz I'm right. Thanks for confirmation.
    It depends. Women love when you have confidence and treat them different than hat other guys do. What I mean by that is that my personal style of girls I’m attracted are very high value and gorgeous. As long as you are funny and do it with a great smile you can get away with anything. I will say my success is decent like 30% which doesn’t sounds like a lot but I have very high standards. My style of picking up women wouldn’t work as well on women who are more insecure actually I learned that the hard way.
    The sexiest girl at the bar gets a bunch of guys that come to them as the very nice guys who play by the rules and won’t say anything too controversial( similar to your wolf game) ask boring questions that lead nowhere: where you work, blah blah and the girls already know what type of guys they are: BORING! Next!
    But then BATMAN comes and just powerwolfs my way into showing her a good $#@!ing time. Don’t take myself serious, I’m not there to impress her, I joke with her, Make her laugh, and not afraid to go in for a kiss, etc.

    Would that work on you? Or you prefer the super nice guy who ask boring questions? Give me tips. I would love to hear. I live in America and maybe there’s differences.

    And about the game. I just meant $#@! up as in stop. Meaning I just don’t believe you. 😘
    So I don't think it's a slip out of wolfchat at least.
  12. Day 4#1806

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    Completed Nope, I've done a little bit of googling around...

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1764)
    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#695)
    Quote Originally Posted by FTFlush (#683)
    before we all dive into mass hysteria because you're all content with level bloody zero right now
    1)Capage was playing awful and left without claiming while he was in danger of dying. Quit acting like I killed the PR singlehandedly when it was one vote. As town or wolf I have no idea of he's pr either so get your $#@! straight
    2)I was the bloody first to call out Soneji. The read was.simple as hell. Quit being bitter that you didn't get to it first
    You did call out Soneji, but I'm not sure about your reasoning except that he's in rwstfo mode. It's not clear enough to me today to change my thinking about my vote. I understand that the read was simple to you, but let's be honest: I'm baby and I need a little more articulation to understand the thoughts.
    @TraumaWard

    Is RWSTFO a term used in real-life mafia as well as online mafia?
    Nope, I've done a little bit of googling around about terms throughout the game.
    There's not really subs in IRL mafia, at least the games I've played, mostly cause the games are an hour-ish tops. More of a party game than a longer campaign.
  13. Day 4#1808

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    Completed Haha, I'm 23, but I'm unmarried/no children. In...

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1765)
    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#712)
    Yo, not to get frustrated or anything, but I did respond to your thoughts, twice.

    I apologize for the gap between, but to be fair, I was at work.
    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1374)
    Yeah I'm one of the younger folks in my family, so I don't have a ton of say over when I get posting time. Got tossed in the car right when we got up to go to lunch and the mall. I wish my day was spent recovering, haha.
    Not to sound like a stalker or anything but exactly how young are you? :\

    Because reading these comments makes me want to go all OMG ILLEGAL CHILD LABOUR on your employer.
    Haha, I'm 23, but I'm unmarried/no children. In my family that means you're still a baby.
  14. Day 4#1809

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    Completed Lol, to be fair, I google everything. When FTF...

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1778)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1764)
    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#695)
    Quote Originally Posted by FTFlush (#683)
    before we all dive into mass hysteria because you're all content with level bloody zero right now
    1)Capage was playing awful and left without claiming while he was in danger of dying. Quit acting like I killed the PR singlehandedly when it was one vote. As town or wolf I have no idea of he's pr either so get your $#@! straight
    2)I was the bloody first to call out Soneji. The read was.simple as hell. Quit being bitter that you didn't get to it first
    You did call out Soneji, but I'm not sure about your reasoning except that he's in rwstfo mode. It's not clear enough to me today to change my thinking about my vote. I understand that the read was simple to you, but let's be honest: I'm baby and I need a little more articulation to understand the thoughts.
    @TraumaWard

    Is RWSTFO a term used in real-life mafia as well as online mafia?
    This is the kind of thing that gets me thinking Trauma isn't what they claim to be. It's not the first time that he's dropped knowledge like that. I've said before, about half his posts are timid, tentative, and lack conviction. Then the other half are relatively decent arguments that contain phrases or ideas that don't make sense in the context of IRL mafia vs forum.

    I've also said before I think we have a loud wolf and a quiet wolf. Trauma fits quiet wolf quite well if you ask me.
    Loud wolf fits Abraxas or El best I think.
    If Batman is a wolf I'm never finding it this game.
    Lol, to be fair, I google everything. When FTF dropped the term I looked it up.
  15. Day 4#1813

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    Completed Lol, my top dating tip is always make friends...

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1793)
    Also, my top tip: be myserious and roguish and always leave them wanting more.
    Lol, my top dating tip is always make friends first. That leads to fun relationships/fwb.
  16. Day 4#1815

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    Completed yes dad :(

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1814)
    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1813)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1793)
    Also, my top tip: be myserious and roguish and always leave them wanting more.
    Lol, my top dating tip is always make friends first. That leads to fun relationships/fwb.
    You're too young to know what FWB means. Get back in the car.
    yes dad
  17. Day 4#1840

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    Completed That's what I meant, haha. Build a strong core of...

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#658)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#498)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#422)
    Flush you not doing any favors to town if you indeed are.
    Batman appearing and then disappearing when major things happen is NAGL.
    But he's town.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#707)
    I got some townmarks as follows:

    BATMAN
    p#37
    p#136
    p#424

    Chocolate
    p#13
    p#266

    hollowkatt
    p#196

    Litten
    p#63
    p#66
    p#304
    p#440

    Traumaward
    p#57

    Wisdom
    p#208


    I also noted some interactions which indicate unlikely pack combinations:

    Litten/HK not W/W for p#51
    (and given that Litten is now the un-CC'd Vig, yay me)

    Wisdom/Flush not W/W for p#283

    Batman/Flush not W/W for p#422
    (I TR Batman anyway but including this as a legacy in case I go the way of the Percysaurus, into the tarpit of doom)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1826)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1825)
    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1813)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1793)
    Also, my top tip: be myserious and roguish and always leave them wanting more.
    Lol, my top dating tip is always make friends first. That leads to fun relationships/fwb.
    Horrible advice, don’t listen to this unless you want to be the guy deep in the friendzone and gets invited to his crush wedding cuz you are such a great friend and maybe she even shares with you how good the “other” guy made her orgasm. Please don’t be that guy...
    Yeah, the proper pathing is "be a friendly person because people want to date friendly people". Not "make friends with prospective partners because you want to date them". That generally leads to feels bad situations
    That's what I meant, haha. Build a strong core of friends and dates naturally come out of that.
  18. Day 4#1841

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    Completed Sigh was writing a post and didn't clear my...

    Sigh was writing a post and didn't clear my quotes. i'll post it in a second
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    Completed I was going through and seeing if Batman/El was a...

    I was going through and seeing if Batman/El was a world. Here's every post that I found where they interact:

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#658)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#498)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#422)
    Flush you not doing any favors to town if you indeed are.
    Batman appearing and then disappearing when major things happen is NAGL.
    But he's town.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#707)
    I got some townmarks as follows:

    BATMAN
    p#37
    p#136
    p#424

    Chocolate
    p#13
    p#266

    hollowkatt
    p#196

    Litten
    p#63
    p#66
    p#304
    p#440

    Traumaward
    p#57

    Wisdom
    p#208


    I also noted some interactions which indicate unlikely pack combinations:

    Litten/HK not W/W for p#51
    (and given that Litten is now the un-CC'd Vig, yay me)

    Wisdom/Flush not W/W for p#283

    Batman/Flush not W/W for p#422
    (I TR Batman anyway but including this as a legacy in case I go the way of the Percysaurus, into the tarpit of doom)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#894)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#849)
    He’s so lackluster that I don’t think I ever seen him this bad.
    Funny, I was going to say the same thing about you

    But I still think you're town, so.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#968)
    Leaving work soon but I'll be back around 10.30pm my time to check on answers to my Qs and put a vote down before bed.

    Here's where my head's at now

    Flush, Hollowkatt and Geyde are all independently scummy to me but I think the odds of all 3 scum being on the Cap wagon are very low, so probably at most 1 wolf in here.

    Unless wolf!Soneji saw his 2 buddies on a sinking ship and jumped onto it at the last minute specifically feed into that WIFOM, but that feels pretty tinfoiley even for me.

    I don't know what to make of Trauma and Abraxas. A lot of Trauma's early ISO is a bad look WRT Soneji but there are a few things he's done (like mocking Flush with his last post) that I don't see as coming from a scum who's never played forum mafia before. Abraxas IDK, he's been a lot more active than I expect of him as scum because I know he doesn't like randing scum, yet he doesn't feel like he's in the town meta I know (tunnelling the strongest player(s) in the game) so I need more time to figure him out.

    Both Wisdom and Chocolate feel like they're not really here. These are both players I've mistakenly tunnelled in the past (to the detriment of the game, at times) so if they are town they need to start towning it up so I can find them.

    Batman's still my strongest TR. Every game I've played with him he's bragged that he's unreadable yet he's always super obvious to me when he's town. So let's call reading Batman my super power. It's pretty specific and useless in a fight, but if I'm wrong on Bats I'll heat my hat.

    Litten is the hero we needed.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1181)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#1178)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1020)
    Yes flush I got to the wisdom / geyde not Ww or shouldn’t be and same with geyde/ abrax same thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1022)
    He claimed so let’s see where that goes. You should ignore him altogether cuz you are mad. Let me deal with that.
    Focus on the rest.
    Such a goddamn wolf
    Batman told your slot to ignore me and focus on other players. I really don't see Bat!wolf passing up the opportunity to rile up Flush, point him at me and let him go. Unless the wolf team is exactly Bat/Flush and Bat was afraid Flush was making himself look bad with his BS and trying to distance from that.

    But I doubt.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1330)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1284)
    Real POE is exactly chocolate, trauma and El.
    For post game cred
    Why are you ignoring the fact that Flush literally TMI-slipped that I'm town? He mocked me for thinking my role PM meant I got to play at town leader.

    He. Knew. I. Am. Town.


    Also I'm back from stuff^tm btw. Rawr etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1345)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1322)
    Michelle I see you as weak???
    Err is wrong with you? You are like the only player I praised in 2019 other than Percy.
    Didn't you praise me in the last game we played together? :\
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1395)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1330)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1284)
    Real POE is exactly chocolate, trauma and El.
    For post game cred
    Why are you ignoring the fact that Flush literally TMI-slipped that I'm town? He mocked me for thinking my role PM meant I got to play at town leader.

    He. Knew. I. Am. Town.


    Also I'm back from stuff^tm btw. Rawr etc.
    What the $#@! are you on about? Flush? He’s still alive and not in the game mind you. Why would flush saying you are town make u confirm? Is he a wolf are u saying??
    Wow
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1399)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1345)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1322)
    Michelle I see you as weak???
    Err is wrong with you? You are like the only player I praised in 2019 other than Percy.
    Didn't you praise me in the last game we played together? :\
    I said you were pretty good. I basically took michelle under my wing and was very rough with her so she could learn. 5 names and many months later I’m like a proud father. Much different, I didn’t have any influence on you.
    You make me sad now and I understand is just cuz you are a wolf. So I forgive you my son.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1453)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1395)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1330)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1284)
    Real POE is exactly chocolate, trauma and El.
    For post game cred
    Why are you ignoring the fact that Flush literally TMI-slipped that I'm town? He mocked me for thinking my role PM meant I got to play at town leader.

    He. Knew. I. Am. Town.


    Also I'm back from stuff^tm btw. Rawr etc.
    What the $#@! are you on about? Flush? He’s still alive and not in the game mind you. Why would flush saying you are town make u confirm? Is he a wolf are u saying??
    Wow
    You may not have noticed, but I've been saying that for 2 days.

    I can't explain it any simpler than I already have.

    I don't understand how you don't understand. He was basically saying "haha el ur posts are so wolfy, you think your role card gives you the right to be a town leader"

    Do you know who doesn't get the right to be town leader?

    Wolves.

    Flush KNEW my role PM is green. His mockery backfired because he revealed knowledge he shouldn't have had.


    Now Imma go get a coffee and catch up on the remaining 2 pages. Mmm coffee.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1492)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1453)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1395)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1330)
    Why are you ignoring the fact that Flush literally TMI-slipped that I'm town? He mocked me for thinking my role PM meant I got to play at town leader.

    He. Knew. I. Am. Town.


    Also I'm back from stuff^tm btw. Rawr etc.
    What the $#@! are you on about? Flush? He’s still alive and not in the game mind you. Why would flush saying you are town make u confirm? Is he a wolf are u saying??
    Wow
    You may not have noticed, but I've been saying that for 2 days.

    I can't explain it any simpler than I already have.

    I don't understand how you don't understand. He was basically saying "haha el ur posts are so wolfy, you think your role card gives you the right to be a town leader"

    Do you know who doesn't get the right to be town leader?

    Wolves.

    Flush KNEW my role PM is green. His mockery backfired because he revealed knowledge he shouldn't have had.


    Now Imma go get a coffee and catch up on the remaining 2 pages. Mmm coffee.
    What are you talking about. Please, he can say you are trying to be a town leader as a wolf. That’s what powerwolfing is
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1520)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1358)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#1336)
    @hollowkatt come talk to me, if Marluxion is scum who do you think their partners are. I can see where you are coming from with wanting them dead, but like I want to lynch scum and scum have partners that they are associated with. I don’t think marluxion goes into the thread when everyone wants them dead and announces to their world that they town read Abraxax if they are his scum partner.

    That’s the problem, even if marluxion is scum, who is he most connected to?
    I know this is aimed at Hollowkatt but Imma answer it anyway because I'm nosy and opinionated.

    My PoE RN puts it at Flush/Marv slot as 100% a wolf, and then the last wolf within Abraxas/Chocolate/Trauma

    My tomorrow will be spent reviewing Soneji posts to see if I can elminate any of these as potential worlds.

    Then working through Flush/Marv and my PoE to see if I can rule out any other worlds. I'll have a few hours in the morning before I bugger off for the day to do dog stuff then social stuff so hopefully by then I can narrow down the potential worlds for hunting in tomorrow.

    Meanwhile I'll...

    ##Vote Marluxon
    El can you do this work you promised today? I want to see your conclusion or I’m killing you instead. Your move
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1526)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1524)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1135)
    Pretty slow day.
    We need to end geyde here. That’s what I believe is best play as it either kills scum and clear some people and break game open or also puts certain people in a pretty good or bad spot if he’s town.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1438)
    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1404)
    I think I agree with hollow in that resolving FTF's slot will resolve Abraxas. ##Vote Marluxion
    Well if we are right I do agree that it breaks the game open cuz el who is a suspect will be clear I guess. Trauma looks good too. Color me convinced
    Batman said break the game open twice, kinda seems odd to me. I havent seen batman really look into the geyde flip with much scrutiny despite saying it would make people look good or bad.

    I think if I was El and Batman I would definitely try to push two town wagons. Bussing here is dumb so I dont think there's cross voting going on. They've kind of talked with each other but not really in a paranoid way. I think batman El is the solve..
    Bro I have El in my POE. Like dead set on it.
    I did look into it... I believe we had two town wagons possible 3.
    That’s my conclusion based on votes and I also figured wolves split their votes. But we are all town on geyde unfortunately
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1542)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1532)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1525)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1523)
    wolves and noobs.

    One of the worlds I've examined is trauma = wolf. I think you can find that in my ISO if you want to look for it.
    I'm currently on the side of naive town with regards to trauma, but I also see the potential for a lurking wolf.

    Could have randed scum and is coasting behind a loud team mate? Definitely possible from my perspective.
    Ok. I did see that when I looked back but what makes you think it would be a loud wolf?
    Don’t you see that is mostly me and flush moving the chains in the game? We are the only loud people and we are both town.
    I told you wolves are playing scared and letting us be wrong basically. Had we been dead set in the wolves they would be dead. There’s no fighting back
    So you think all the loud are town and the wolves are the quiet ones? So what, Chocolate/Trauma wolf team?

    Because I'm loud, you're loud, ftf/marl is loud, and el is loud. Litten is lock town. That leaves chocolate, trauma, and abraxas. I don't think you're scum reading abraxas so you're thinking chocolate trauma is the team? I'm not sure that team makes sense.

    I think we've got one loud wolf and one quiet wolf. The loud wolf is driving discussions and the quiet wolf is just sitting on votes they think are advantageous.
    El is not loud... just know that el other games is louder than me. Go look at them
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1672)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#924)
    Quote Originally Posted by Geyde (#211)
    Quote Originally Posted by Geyde (#209)
    I thought about threadstate before making a post about threadstate and how it might apply to the game
    If it looks heavily researched and written that's why it's the case

    My main take from thread and how it has developed is how literally nothing out of the ordinary has happened
    It's like all of thread collectively decided to go full zombie
    add onto this that hollowkatt probably v based off of this given that their thread presence has been one thing that's been actually causing thread discussion to happen
    Yeah this is a townie post and it confuses me. I guess my worlds atm are [Geyde, Hollowkatt] or [FTF, ???].

    Not sure who that last one could be. Maybe Snorlax. I town read Chocolate, Batman and El anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#1060)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1009)
    @FTFlush ok dude. Relax, don’t say things like outside the game. Stay in the game and take a chill pill please.
    If we have a town oracle not name EL. You must claim if not then rl is clear and we will ignore him now.
    Abrazas and geyde slots being against each other is interesting.
    I had geyde as the wolf but abrazas really haven’t done much. I’m split now and second guessing my reads
    Going to bed now, but yes, I'm the town oracle. I still trust El to be town though, but he shouldn't be cleared in anyone elses eyes.

    It should be possible to see this being the case in my ISO. Reason I claimed "all PR" was that it's the first time I have a PR in a d6 so I wanted to try to be "too PR to be a PR", and since it's a pretty useless one I reckoned I would use it as a claim in late game. But now it's out of the bag thanks to El.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#1063)
    While I trust El to be town right now, if he refuses to let go of his fake claim, lynch him.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1394)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1328)
    Batman you started gradually to make allusive posts towards me and I mentioned you took me as weak because I didn't answer.
    Starting with I am very good and putting me in a too good light knowing a similar game can't happen immediatly, I am still the same person like in the previous game where I lost because I was dumb.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#606)
    This is not bad results on the night. Percy was very town but he was vt and didn’t have much time to play.
    Lol soneji at pushing me last night while I was away. I have to check who else was doing that. Flush looks suspect for me now. His push on capage seems faked or overdone
    Is this a post wolf!Batman cam't make? No.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#692)
    Michelle feels way off to me. Is sad cuz we just owned last game. Her head is not in this game and could be wolfing I’m sad to say
    First allusion.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#714)
    Does it looks like it? It looks like I drove to your house and threw the mud right at your face then said: michelle get your head in the game cuz this is not like the last one.
    Second, It's disgusting so I ignored this.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#849)
    Is hard for me to play with people with his style. He doesn’t say much and never around to live read.
    He might be town and I wanted to see your reads. Mostly cuz I thought you were a wolf and wanted to catch u but I’m nOr so sure now.
    I seriously expect lot more from other players. Didn’t like racer slot and then El subbed in and I was hoping it was gonna be an OP sub. He’s so lackluster that I don’t think I ever seen him this bad.
    Wouldn’t mind going there.
    Wisdom could get it too. I like the soneji stuff posted. Soneji liked to talk to partners a lot last game.
    Chocolate very dissa-oinking and could be wolfing too.
    Batman needs a lot of lynch directions. What we know is Wisdom would be a mislynch
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1001)
    Yah no $#@!... that’s why. She loves to interact with partners.
    Soneji is a girl? In the game 2 bio the pronoun is "he" when he talks about himself. Idk but.. maybe you know best?:shrug:
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1009)
    @FTFlush ok dude. Relax, don’t say things like outside the game. Stay in the game and take a chill pill please.
    If we have a town oracle not name EL. You must claim if not then rl is clear and we will ignore him now.
    Abrazas and geyde slots being against each other is interesting.
    I had geyde as the wolf but abrazas really haven’t done much. I’m split now and second guessing my reads
    if the bolded wasn't role fishing idk how to call it :/
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1013)
    Idk. If I should vote geyde, wisdom or wildcard abrazas.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1015)
    My issue is wisdom and abrazas voting geyde which means we are wrong about those world.
    Or some $#@!ery going on
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1017)
    That’s the weird $#@!. It tells me wolves bussing or I’m missing something. Our POE looks bad but we think is good looking at this votes
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1024)
    Michelle town is been so good lately. Like impressive good and I don’t see any of that here. If she’s not exactly the other PR playing coy then she might be a wolf and it makes me sad. I don’t wanna tinfoil that yet
    New shade for me. Not for tinfoiling yet, of course. Why to wait? Agenda is made step by step.
    I have a huge respect for your wolf game. I am the only one who felt you are wolf in specchat of game 10. I won the bet amd Duskfall had a month a she bunny ava after.
    This is a lot of nothing michelle. Can you go to the point?
    You guessed I was a wolf and were right. Great.
    You say I had tmi about wisdom? Ok makes no sense.
    I save him.
    And then you say I’m rolefishing cuz I asked the real Pr to claim if in fact it wasn’t flush? Come on. That’s so weak.
    We needed to know of flush was lying. Wisdom claimed and then he even said he thought flush was town. Was he wrong also for claiming? What exactly did I do wrong? You think imma wolf and I make wisdom claim so I can kill him? Please
    WTF

    This is 100% a lie.

    Wisdom never said she thought flush was town after she claimed. She said she thought I was town.

    I've quoted the last things Wisdom said about flush and about me.

    Sorry for the big posts, I am phone posting from the bath.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1675)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1397)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#1333)
    Chocolate is the only reason you are suspecting Batman because they are pushing you?
    Isn’t that clear to you? Litten I need you to get your head in the game. Today! Not tomorrow 5 min to eod.
    Come on. You are lock clear and prob dying next. Make a contribution and don’t ask things so silly as that.
    What do you think she’s gonna say? Yes I am pushing Batman cuz I’m a wolf! ????
    Come on. Read her posts. I been in her and her defense is that I been setting up her lunch for days... lol.
    Then said I wanted geyde myslinch cuz I needed it.
    But that’s a horrible slip. Is she saying the other wagons are wolves?
    You understand now!? Why would I rather kill geyde a vanilla when wisdom was a wagon and could have been MAJ. if I had TMI he was the oracle I rather lynch him and then kill litten at night. Much more efficient and my type of wolfing. This wolf team is a bunch of weak players. They just letting others do the work, I will castrate myself if this was my wolf team. Foff
    You say the wolf team is weak yet they seem to be doing considerably better than we are.

    You say the wolves have been been letting others do the work yet your votes on D1 and D2 were on Geyde (conftown) and on D3 chocolate (???)

    You act like it is entirely everybody else's fault that we're in the position and downplay the scum threat in a way I do not like. Now is not the time to sit back and say yeah, lol these wolves.

    Now is the time to get paranoid.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1734)
    If yo die tonight that would be a blessing. I wouldn’t have to tinfoil your spot.
    Sadly I think the little slap fight we have helps us stay alive. Either you are town and they leave you alive so u $#@! it up. Or you are a wolf and you can’t kill me cuz what then?
    I’m town and u should know that.
    How sick of team is just EL and HK or EL and chocolate?
    Why hasn’t the great abraxas who once said he was the BATMAN of his forum ever thought of that?
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1739)
    Also why do I want to no lynch? Explain all that in your own words.
    If you think el is a wolf with me why Batman first? I know why, but I want you to submit and say it so I can add to my signature. Go ahead say it.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1742)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1740)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1739)
    Also why do I want to no lynch? Explain all that in your own words.
    If you think el is a wolf with me why Batman first? I know why, but I want you to submit and say it so I can add to my signature. Go ahead say it.
    I dont care who we lynch between those two I just know michelle was on board with you
    Hmm it sounds like you do. I think you are afraid that if you don’t lynch me then the rest won’t be able to while el is a much easier lynch lol
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1743)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1741)
    If you were paying attention my vote was on el ahrairah all day until chocolate switched to you, and I was forced to go for you as well for any chance to not lynch chocolate/marluxion cause YOU Vote parked on a town instead of el ahrairah.
    I was here at eod. I wasn’t parked, I would have voted el to save marl of course. I didn’t have that opportunity
    You parked your vote and didn’t come switch it or argue and convince others. Don’t blame your failures on me. Stop self projecting onto others.
    I had no way to save marl. I even became a wagon and could have been lynched. Marl didn’t self press on me and I didn’t self press on him.
    This is why I’m lock clear and 2ill die tonight. You are a $#@!ing shame to the game if u are town.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1745)
    Well do ur thing. While you at it find some incriminating evidence to ur pushes. I would love to see what you find on el. Then see how you could ever link that to me
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1749)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1748)
    ##Vote El-ahrairah


    The problem with voting el ahrairah first is that I'm just gonna lynch batman right after so what's the point
    And why does Batman wolf leaves you alive? Wouldn’t you be the next kill if we lynch el and he’s a wolf?
    Do I need to help you town? This is very wolfy abrax. Or just bad at the game? Which is it? Who does wolf Batman kills after el flips wolf? S gonna be just me wolfing and I need to make a kill.
    Is abraxas town? Would I maybe kill that dude named abraxas who just owned my partner el? And maybe you can. Then lynch wolf ba\tman from ur grave or you are gonna be alive cuz you are a wolf and el is not? Explain it to me like I’m 5
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1750)
    Well You better convince others now that I’m the wolf with el. I want to se what u come up with actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1752)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1750)
    Well You better convince others now that I’m the wolf with el. I want to se what u come up with actually.
    It's no use Batman, Abraxas has seen through our cunning, Machiavellian scheming. We might as well concede this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1756)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1751)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1750)
    Well You better convince others now that I’m the wolf with el. I want to se what u come up with actually.
    Your mafia
    Dam this was a very damning iso. I concede
    Gg town
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1760)
    Some stuff that caught my attention while catching up.

    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1404)
    I think I agree with hollow in that resolving FTF's slot will resolve Abraxas. ##Vote Marluxion
    @TraumaWard In what way is Abraxas resolved for you now? If you've reached a solid conclusion on him, talk me through it. If you've already done that then ignore this post and I'll read it when I get to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1487)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#1434)
    Cupcake Wars D6 Day 3 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    3 Marluxion hollowkatt (55), El-ahrairah (33), TraumaWard (15)
    3 Chocolate BATMAN (25), Litten (31), Marluxion (62)
    1 hollowkatt Abraxas (15)
    1 Not voting Chocolate (18)

    View Vote History

    End day at majority is enabled. With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach majority.

    Day 3 ends at 10:00 PM EST on Saturday, November 30th, 2019. There are 1575169260000 remaining.
    Choco vote is on marl. She’s just beating around the bush like she said I was lol.
    Abrazas needs to vote choco and if he doesn’t they both get insta lynch tomorrow when marl flips town.
    I need another townie to switch. I don’t trust the others.
    @hollowkatt yoo
    At some point yesterday you were saying the wolves were me + Chocolate but you also say Abraxas + Chocolate here. How do you reconcile these contrasting worlds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1472)
    I think batman has entered the POE and I dont like choosing between chocoloate/marluxion/batman. El fits with all of these teams and is the most likely scum imo.

    Hollowkat is trending up so we can put him on a townlean.

    If we vote one of the above 3 instead of el-ahrairah we better be right.

    I think chocolate/michelle is probably town though. I also feel the same way about marluxion.


    So basically my thoughts are :


    Highest scum likelihood

    -El ahrairah
    -Batman
    -Marluxion
    -Chocolate

    Least scum likelihood


    Everyone else I am now reasonably sure are town.
    Abraxas having both me and Marv in his scum pile yesterday while I had been death-tunnelling Marv since I subbed into the game shows Abraxas is not trying to eliminate potential worlds. This is the scummiest kind of scum list because it shows no consideration for how people have behaved and interacted. Zero critical thinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1520)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1358)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#1336)
    @hollowkatt come talk to me, if Marluxion is scum who do you think their partners are. I can see where you are coming from with wanting them dead, but like I want to lynch scum and scum have partners that they are associated with. I don’t think marluxion goes into the thread when everyone wants them dead and announces to their world that they town read Abraxax if they are his scum partner.

    That’s the problem, even if marluxion is scum, who is he most connected to?
    I know this is aimed at Hollowkatt but Imma answer it anyway because I'm nosy and opinionated.

    My PoE RN puts it at Flush/Marv slot as 100% a wolf, and then the last wolf within Abraxas/Chocolate/Trauma

    My tomorrow will be spent reviewing Soneji posts to see if I can elminate any of these as potential worlds.

    Then working through Flush/Marv and my PoE to see if I can rule out any other worlds. I'll have a few hours in the morning before I bugger off for the day to do dog stuff then social stuff so hopefully by then I can narrow down the potential worlds for hunting in tomorrow.

    Meanwhile I'll...

    ##Vote Marluxon
    El can you do this work you promised today? I want to see your conclusion or I’m killing you instead. Your move
    No, as mentioned, I was away from home for most of the weekend. Trying now.


    I'm caught up with the game upto p#1610 but I gotta go grab some lunch for an hour. Will pick up when I return.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1763)
    Ruling out Abraxas worlds:

    Abraxas/BATMAN - very, very unlikely. Mostly due to how they have interacted over the past 2 days. The wolves have been crushing us all game, and if it weren't for Litten and his hero shot we would probably have lost it by now. Wolves in a strong position don't need to start bussing each other at this stage, it weakens their position. I know Abraxas hates wolfing but I don't think even he would go up against his Bat!packmate like this at this stage.

    Abraxas/hollowkatt - unlikely. Early on D1 Abraxas gave hollokatt an easy TR (99% town) which I could tinfoil a potential w/w except for again Abraxas has been accusing hollowkatt of being a wolf recently, and some of their interactions have come off as very unnecessary if W/W. Can dig them out if needed but operating on limited time RN.

    Rule these 2 worlds out

    That leaves:

    Abraxas/Chocolate - possible, but I think not likely. Abraxas has defended Michelle vocally but also been very pockety/buddying towards here. I think if Abraxas flips W then Michelle flips V bsed on how he's trying to coax and cajole her into voting Batman and suggesting that people are trying to set her up for a mislynch. Feels like wolf trying to stoke town paranoia.

    Abraxas/TraumaWard - possible, likely. Based on almost zero interaction between the two, which I can see as an attempt to not spew Trauma if he flips. There is 1 time when Abraxas defends trauma because of "ESL" reasons (???) and the only other interaction is p#173, which comes across as overly friendly/coachey. I do wonder if they were w/w why wouldn't this sort of thing go in wolfchat but IDK, feels like it could be a thing.

    Overall

    Strong potential for Abraxas/Trauma
    Weak potential for Abraxas/Chocolate

    Zero or negligible potential for Abra/Bats and Abra/hollow

    I need to review Abraxas/Trauma interactios from the Trauma side next to see if it can be ruled out that way.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1766)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1761)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1638)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#1601)
    Who do we think is scum with Batman if Batman is scum. It’s definitely not chocolate. I think it has to be between flush/marluxion and trauma.
    I already said it's EL
    On D2 I say Abraxas is not in his town meta because he hasn't tunnelled anyone, on D3 Abraxas starts tunnelling me.

    #funnynotfunny

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1460)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1362)
    Michelle shut up... are you saying the other wagons were wolves? You make no sense.
    how many times you had succes irl when you told to a woman to shut up? asking from curiosity.

    Game related, I have to shut up cuz I'm right. Thanks for confirmation.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1692)
    Going out with a girl. I’ll post when I can.
    ZOMG is this a thing? Chocolate makes a comment about Batman chatting up women and later Batman makes a comment that he's going out with a girl? Possible wolf-chat slip into the game thread??? Has anyone looked at potential Batman/Michelle?
    HHaaha wow that’s a trump Giuliani type of deep conspiracy.
    I’m a single guy and I like women. Shocker I go out with them often. I consider myself single but I’m very active in the dating scene
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1769)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1766)
    I’m a single guy and I like women. Shocker I go out with them often. I consider myself single but I’m very active in the dating scene
    And Michelle knows this because she gives you dating tips in scumchat!

    I'm half kidding. I'm also keeping a special place for this theory in my tinfoil hat pockets.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1770)
    El stop with your world be waste of time for a second.
    Do you even think I’m a wolf? Why are u putting me in any worlds? Are you afraid I fooled u? Is that it?

    Do I have anyone who you say: I doubt this person is ever a wolf.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1772)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1769)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1766)
    I’m a single guy and I like women. Shocker I go out with them often. I consider myself single but I’m very active in the dating scene
    And Michelle knows this because she gives you dating tips in scumchat!

    I'm half kidding. I'm also keeping a special place for this theory in my tinfoil hat pockets.
    I asked her for dating tips here mostly on what works for her. So if you wanna tinfoil anything it should be that Batman is trying to courtship michelle... that at least would be someone correct and only takes the dumbest detective to see. Yet you failed to see it and instead are ignoring the info in your face and just taking $#@! about some deep alt sci fi world where Batman Is an evil villain. Please
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1778)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1770)
    El stop with your world be waste of time for a second.
    Do you even think I’m a wolf? Why are u putting me in any worlds? Are you afraid I fooled u? Is that it?

    Do I have anyone who you say: I doubt this person is ever a wolf.
    Partially, yes. When I was reading along with the game, even before I subbed in, I had you as 100% a town. It was a really stron ggut feeling about how you approached the game, admitting you were playing into your wolf meta. And now I am worried I've given you a free pass when I ought to have been paying considerably more attentin to you. I also feel like we've been talking past each other all game, and that doesn't sit right with me.

    RN I doubt hollowkatt is ever a wolf, partially because of tone, partially because of volume, partially because of meta. But I'm still including him in my "rule out worlds" scenarios because I'm conscious that my reads are ME - they are personal to me, and as a hooman bean I am fallible.

    I try to rule out worlds as objectively as possible by disassociating myself and my emotions from my analysis and that's something I think I should subject everybody to, even the people I think are town.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1783)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1774)
    El how much have you played with hollow?
    Just 1 game, we were both town and I death-tunnelled him all game.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1792)
    Despite my scumchat dating tips tinfoil, if Batman and Michelle are W/W this is the most unnecessarily elaborate distancing attempt I have ever seen.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1800)
    Aight, I'm going in.

    Abraxas/Trauma

    That's my solve

    I still have hollowkatt, Batman and Michelle to re-read, but I think hollowkatt is town so I can save myself an hour or two there. That leaves Michelle and Batman.

    I don't think they are wolves with each other. My first read of Batman before subbing in was V. He's never scum with Abraxas. That leaves only Bats/Trauma which... maybe? Doesn't feel right tho.

    Michelle has only a weak chance of being scum with Abraxas because of his treatment of her when she was being pushed by others. Michelle/Trauma? I need more time to work it out from Michelle side but I don't have time for that RN.

    Gotta leave work in 15 mins and then type up nearly 3 months' worth of business accounts, which wipes out half my evening because I am not actually an accountant and I math bad. In like 5 hours my Hydra starts so my input into this game drops even further

    If we no-lynch today I am always voting in Abraxas/Trauma tomorrow

    BAtman/Michelle/Hollowkatt - your thougths?
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1804)
    Michelle if you are wrong on batman, who do you think the wolves are? And if you're right on batman, who do you think is his packmate?

    Batman, same question WRT Michelle
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1821)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1792)
    Despite my scumchat dating tips tinfoil, if Batman and Michelle are W/W this is the most unnecessarily elaborate distancing attempt I have ever seen.
    Which means is impossible. Why would I let her be tied with marl when I could easily selfpress on marl. Say one more dumb $#@! and I’m voting you. I don’t even wanna to play this stupid game. Does anyone even try?


    My initial thought that triggered my deep dive was that El did a strong townread on Batman in the beginning, but I think I've ruled out this world after all. Specifically because of this:

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1778)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1770)
    El stop with your world be waste of time for a second.
    Do you even think I’m a wolf? Why are u putting me in any worlds? Are you afraid I fooled u? Is that it?

    Do I have anyone who you say: I doubt this person is ever a wolf.
    Partially, yes. When I was reading along with the game, even before I subbed in, I had you as 100% a town. It was a really stron ggut feeling about how you approached the game, admitting you were playing into your wolf meta. And now I am worried I've given you a free pass when I ought to have been paying considerably more attentin to you. I also feel like we've been talking past each other all game, and that doesn't sit right with me.

    RN I doubt hollowkatt is ever a wolf, partially because of tone, partially because of volume, partially because of meta. But I'm still including him in my "rule out worlds" scenarios because I'm conscious that my reads are ME - they are personal to me, and as a hooman bean I am fallible.

    I try to rule out worlds as objectively as possible by disassociating myself and my emotions from my analysis and that's something I think I should subject everybody to, even the people I think are town.
    The bold just makes sense to me for reasoning on the strong town read. Add that to my previous thoughts that Batman's posts have been towny, I just don't see this world as a possibility. Now, my feelings are that Batman/El is t/t.

    Process of elimination, my current thought is Abraxas/Chocolate. But I still need to dive into it. Might not have time before work ends, but I will before EoD.
  20. Day 4#1848

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed Why the spoiler tag? I promise I'll only cry for...

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1845)
    I'm going to say something Bats, Chocolate, and El. Let me know what you think

    ##Vote TraumaWard
    Why the spoiler tag? I promise I'll only cry for twenty minutes tops if you vote me.
  21. Day 4#1849

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed I did the thing, it's P#1846

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1847)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1845)
    I'm going to say something Bats, Chocolate, and El. Let me know what you think

    ##Vote TraumaWard
    I want to read the post he promised. If he doesn't post it, then you are right.
    I did the thing, it's P#1846
  22. Day 4#1851

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed Actually I wanna elaborate on this real quick....

    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1846)
    I was going through and seeing if Batman/El was a world. Here's every post that I found where they interact:

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#658)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#498)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#422)
    Flush you not doing any favors to town if you indeed are.
    Batman appearing and then disappearing when major things happen is NAGL.
    But he's town.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#707)
    I got some townmarks as follows:

    BATMAN
    p#37
    p#136
    p#424

    Chocolate
    p#13
    p#266

    hollowkatt
    p#196

    Litten
    p#63
    p#66
    p#304
    p#440

    Traumaward
    p#57

    Wisdom
    p#208


    I also noted some interactions which indicate unlikely pack combinations:

    Litten/HK not W/W for p#51
    (and given that Litten is now the un-CC'd Vig, yay me)

    Wisdom/Flush not W/W for p#283

    Batman/Flush not W/W for p#422
    (I TR Batman anyway but including this as a legacy in case I go the way of the Percysaurus, into the tarpit of doom)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#894)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#849)
    He’s so lackluster that I don’t think I ever seen him this bad.
    Funny, I was going to say the same thing about you

    But I still think you're town, so.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#968)
    Leaving work soon but I'll be back around 10.30pm my time to check on answers to my Qs and put a vote down before bed.

    Here's where my head's at now

    Flush, Hollowkatt and Geyde are all independently scummy to me but I think the odds of all 3 scum being on the Cap wagon are very low, so probably at most 1 wolf in here.

    Unless wolf!Soneji saw his 2 buddies on a sinking ship and jumped onto it at the last minute specifically feed into that WIFOM, but that feels pretty tinfoiley even for me.

    I don't know what to make of Trauma and Abraxas. A lot of Trauma's early ISO is a bad look WRT Soneji but there are a few things he's done (like mocking Flush with his last post) that I don't see as coming from a scum who's never played forum mafia before. Abraxas IDK, he's been a lot more active than I expect of him as scum because I know he doesn't like randing scum, yet he doesn't feel like he's in the town meta I know (tunnelling the strongest player(s) in the game) so I need more time to figure him out.

    Both Wisdom and Chocolate feel like they're not really here. These are both players I've mistakenly tunnelled in the past (to the detriment of the game, at times) so if they are town they need to start towning it up so I can find them.

    Batman's still my strongest TR. Every game I've played with him he's bragged that he's unreadable yet he's always super obvious to me when he's town. So let's call reading Batman my super power. It's pretty specific and useless in a fight, but if I'm wrong on Bats I'll heat my hat.

    Litten is the hero we needed.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1181)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#1178)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1020)
    Yes flush I got to the wisdom / geyde not Ww or shouldn’t be and same with geyde/ abrax same thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1022)
    He claimed so let’s see where that goes. You should ignore him altogether cuz you are mad. Let me deal with that.
    Focus on the rest.
    Such a goddamn wolf
    Batman told your slot to ignore me and focus on other players. I really don't see Bat!wolf passing up the opportunity to rile up Flush, point him at me and let him go. Unless the wolf team is exactly Bat/Flush and Bat was afraid Flush was making himself look bad with his BS and trying to distance from that.

    But I doubt.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1330)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1284)
    Real POE is exactly chocolate, trauma and El.
    For post game cred
    Why are you ignoring the fact that Flush literally TMI-slipped that I'm town? He mocked me for thinking my role PM meant I got to play at town leader.

    He. Knew. I. Am. Town.


    Also I'm back from stuff^tm btw. Rawr etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1345)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1322)
    Michelle I see you as weak???
    Err is wrong with you? You are like the only player I praised in 2019 other than Percy.
    Didn't you praise me in the last game we played together? :\
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1395)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1330)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1284)
    Real POE is exactly chocolate, trauma and El.
    For post game cred
    Why are you ignoring the fact that Flush literally TMI-slipped that I'm town? He mocked me for thinking my role PM meant I got to play at town leader.

    He. Knew. I. Am. Town.


    Also I'm back from stuff^tm btw. Rawr etc.
    What the $#@! are you on about? Flush? He’s still alive and not in the game mind you. Why would flush saying you are town make u confirm? Is he a wolf are u saying??
    Wow
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1399)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1345)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1322)
    Michelle I see you as weak???
    Err is wrong with you? You are like the only player I praised in 2019 other than Percy.
    Didn't you praise me in the last game we played together? :\
    I said you were pretty good. I basically took michelle under my wing and was very rough with her so she could learn. 5 names and many months later I’m like a proud father. Much different, I didn’t have any influence on you.
    You make me sad now and I understand is just cuz you are a wolf. So I forgive you my son.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1453)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1395)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1330)
    Why are you ignoring the fact that Flush literally TMI-slipped that I'm town? He mocked me for thinking my role PM meant I got to play at town leader.

    He. Knew. I. Am. Town.


    Also I'm back from stuff^tm btw. Rawr etc.
    What the $#@! are you on about? Flush? He’s still alive and not in the game mind you. Why would flush saying you are town make u confirm? Is he a wolf are u saying??
    Wow
    You may not have noticed, but I've been saying that for 2 days.

    I can't explain it any simpler than I already have.

    I don't understand how you don't understand. He was basically saying "haha el ur posts are so wolfy, you think your role card gives you the right to be a town leader"

    Do you know who doesn't get the right to be town leader?

    Wolves.

    Flush KNEW my role PM is green. His mockery backfired because he revealed knowledge he shouldn't have had.


    Now Imma go get a coffee and catch up on the remaining 2 pages. Mmm coffee.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1492)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1453)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1395)
    What the $#@! are you on about? Flush? He’s still alive and not in the game mind you. Why would flush saying you are town make u confirm? Is he a wolf are u saying??
    Wow
    You may not have noticed, but I've been saying that for 2 days.

    I can't explain it any simpler than I already have.

    I don't understand how you don't understand. He was basically saying "haha el ur posts are so wolfy, you think your role card gives you the right to be a town leader"

    Do you know who doesn't get the right to be town leader?

    Wolves.

    Flush KNEW my role PM is green. His mockery backfired because he revealed knowledge he shouldn't have had.


    Now Imma go get a coffee and catch up on the remaining 2 pages. Mmm coffee.
    What are you talking about. Please, he can say you are trying to be a town leader as a wolf. That’s what powerwolfing is
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1520)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1358)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#1336)
    @hollowkatt come talk to me, if Marluxion is scum who do you think their partners are. I can see where you are coming from with wanting them dead, but like I want to lynch scum and scum have partners that they are associated with. I don’t think marluxion goes into the thread when everyone wants them dead and announces to their world that they town read Abraxax if they are his scum partner.

    That’s the problem, even if marluxion is scum, who is he most connected to?
    I know this is aimed at Hollowkatt but Imma answer it anyway because I'm nosy and opinionated.

    My PoE RN puts it at Flush/Marv slot as 100% a wolf, and then the last wolf within Abraxas/Chocolate/Trauma

    My tomorrow will be spent reviewing Soneji posts to see if I can elminate any of these as potential worlds.

    Then working through Flush/Marv and my PoE to see if I can rule out any other worlds. I'll have a few hours in the morning before I bugger off for the day to do dog stuff then social stuff so hopefully by then I can narrow down the potential worlds for hunting in tomorrow.

    Meanwhile I'll...

    ##Vote Marluxon
    El can you do this work you promised today? I want to see your conclusion or I’m killing you instead. Your move
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1526)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1524)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1135)
    Pretty slow day.
    We need to end geyde here. That’s what I believe is best play as it either kills scum and clear some people and break game open or also puts certain people in a pretty good or bad spot if he’s town.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1438)
    Well if we are right I do agree that it breaks the game open cuz el who is a suspect will be clear I guess. Trauma looks good too. Color me convinced
    Batman said break the game open twice, kinda seems odd to me. I havent seen batman really look into the geyde flip with much scrutiny despite saying it would make people look good or bad.

    I think if I was El and Batman I would definitely try to push two town wagons. Bussing here is dumb so I dont think there's cross voting going on. They've kind of talked with each other but not really in a paranoid way. I think batman El is the solve..
    Bro I have El in my POE. Like dead set on it.
    I did look into it... I believe we had two town wagons possible 3.
    That’s my conclusion based on votes and I also figured wolves split their votes. But we are all town on geyde unfortunately
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1542)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1532)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1525)
    Ok. I did see that when I looked back but what makes you think it would be a loud wolf?
    Don’t you see that is mostly me and flush moving the chains in the game? We are the only loud people and we are both town.
    I told you wolves are playing scared and letting us be wrong basically. Had we been dead set in the wolves they would be dead. There’s no fighting back
    So you think all the loud are town and the wolves are the quiet ones? So what, Chocolate/Trauma wolf team?

    Because I'm loud, you're loud, ftf/marl is loud, and el is loud. Litten is lock town. That leaves chocolate, trauma, and abraxas. I don't think you're scum reading abraxas so you're thinking chocolate trauma is the team? I'm not sure that team makes sense.

    I think we've got one loud wolf and one quiet wolf. The loud wolf is driving discussions and the quiet wolf is just sitting on votes they think are advantageous.
    El is not loud... just know that el other games is louder than me. Go look at them
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1672)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#924)
    Quote Originally Posted by Geyde (#211)
    add onto this that hollowkatt probably v based off of this given that their thread presence has been one thing that's been actually causing thread discussion to happen
    Yeah this is a townie post and it confuses me. I guess my worlds atm are [Geyde, Hollowkatt] or [FTF, ???].

    Not sure who that last one could be. Maybe Snorlax. I town read Chocolate, Batman and El anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#1060)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1009)
    @FTFlush ok dude. Relax, don’t say things like outside the game. Stay in the game and take a chill pill please.
    If we have a town oracle not name EL. You must claim if not then rl is clear and we will ignore him now.
    Abrazas and geyde slots being against each other is interesting.
    I had geyde as the wolf but abrazas really haven’t done much. I’m split now and second guessing my reads
    Going to bed now, but yes, I'm the town oracle. I still trust El to be town though, but he shouldn't be cleared in anyone elses eyes.

    It should be possible to see this being the case in my ISO. Reason I claimed "all PR" was that it's the first time I have a PR in a d6 so I wanted to try to be "too PR to be a PR", and since it's a pretty useless one I reckoned I would use it as a claim in late game. But now it's out of the bag thanks to El.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#1063)
    While I trust El to be town right now, if he refuses to let go of his fake claim, lynch him.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1394)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1328)
    Batman you started gradually to make allusive posts towards me and I mentioned you took me as weak because I didn't answer.
    Starting with I am very good and putting me in a too good light knowing a similar game can't happen immediatly, I am still the same person like in the previous game where I lost because I was dumb.


    Is this a post wolf!Batman cam't make? No.
    Michelle feels way off to me. Is sad cuz we just owned last game. Her head is not in this game and could be wolfing I’m sad to say
    First allusion.
    Does it looks like it? It looks like I drove to your house and threw the mud right at your face then said: michelle get your head in the game cuz this is not like the last one.
    Second, It's disgusting so I ignored this.
    Is hard for me to play with people with his style. He doesn’t say much and never around to live read.
    He might be town and I wanted to see your reads. Mostly cuz I thought you were a wolf and wanted to catch u but I’m nOr so sure now.
    I seriously expect lot more from other players. Didn’t like racer slot and then El subbed in and I was hoping it was gonna be an OP sub. He’s so lackluster that I don’t think I ever seen him this bad.
    Wouldn’t mind going there.
    Wisdom could get it too. I like the soneji stuff posted. Soneji liked to talk to partners a lot last game.
    Chocolate very dissa-oinking and could be wolfing too.
    Batman needs a lot of lynch directions. What we know is Wisdom would be a mislynch
    Yah no $#@!... that’s why. She loves to interact with partners.
    Soneji is a girl? In the game 2 bio the pronoun is "he" when he talks about himself. Idk but.. maybe you know best?:shrug:
    @FTFlush ok dude. Relax, don’t say things like outside the game. Stay in the game and take a chill pill please.
    If we have a town oracle not name EL. You must claim if not then rl is clear and we will ignore him now.
    Abrazas and geyde slots being against each other is interesting.
    I had geyde as the wolf but abrazas really haven’t done much. I’m split now and second guessing my reads
    if the bolded wasn't role fishing idk how to call it :/
    Idk. If I should vote geyde, wisdom or wildcard abrazas.

    My issue is wisdom and abrazas voting geyde which means we are wrong about those world.
    Or some $#@!ery going on

    That’s the weird $#@!. It tells me wolves bussing or I’m missing something. Our POE looks bad but we think is good looking at this votes

    Michelle town is been so good lately. Like impressive good and I don’t see any of that here. If she’s not exactly the other PR playing coy then she might be a wolf and it makes me sad. I don’t wanna tinfoil that yet
    New shade for me. Not for tinfoiling yet, of course. Why to wait? Agenda is made step by step.
    I have a huge respect for your wolf game. I am the only one who felt you are wolf in specchat of game 10. I won the bet amd Duskfall had a month a she bunny ava after.
    This is a lot of nothing michelle. Can you go to the point?
    You guessed I was a wolf and were right. Great.
    You say I had tmi about wisdom? Ok makes no sense.
    I save him.
    And then you say I’m rolefishing cuz I asked the real Pr to claim if in fact it wasn’t flush? Come on. That’s so weak.
    We needed to know of flush was lying. Wisdom claimed and then he even said he thought flush was town. Was he wrong also for claiming? What exactly did I do wrong? You think imma wolf and I make wisdom claim so I can kill him? Please
    WTF

    This is 100% a lie.

    Wisdom never said she thought flush was town after she claimed. She said she thought I was town.

    I've quoted the last things Wisdom said about flush and about me.

    Sorry for the big posts, I am phone posting from the bath.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1675)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1397)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#1333)
    Chocolate is the only reason you are suspecting Batman because they are pushing you?
    Isn’t that clear to you? Litten I need you to get your head in the game. Today! Not tomorrow 5 min to eod.
    Come on. You are lock clear and prob dying next. Make a contribution and don’t ask things so silly as that.
    What do you think she’s gonna say? Yes I am pushing Batman cuz I’m a wolf! ????
    Come on. Read her posts. I been in her and her defense is that I been setting up her lunch for days... lol.
    Then said I wanted geyde myslinch cuz I needed it.
    But that’s a horrible slip. Is she saying the other wagons are wolves?
    You understand now!? Why would I rather kill geyde a vanilla when wisdom was a wagon and could have been MAJ. if I had TMI he was the oracle I rather lynch him and then kill litten at night. Much more efficient and my type of wolfing. This wolf team is a bunch of weak players. They just letting others do the work, I will castrate myself if this was my wolf team. Foff
    You say the wolf team is weak yet they seem to be doing considerably better than we are.

    You say the wolves have been been letting others do the work yet your votes on D1 and D2 were on Geyde (conftown) and on D3 chocolate (???)

    You act like it is entirely everybody else's fault that we're in the position and downplay the scum threat in a way I do not like. Now is not the time to sit back and say yeah, lol these wolves.

    Now is the time to get paranoid.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1734)
    If yo die tonight that would be a blessing. I wouldn’t have to tinfoil your spot.
    Sadly I think the little slap fight we have helps us stay alive. Either you are town and they leave you alive so u $#@! it up. Or you are a wolf and you can’t kill me cuz what then?
    I’m town and u should know that.
    How sick of team is just EL and HK or EL and chocolate?
    Why hasn’t the great abraxas who once said he was the BATMAN of his forum ever thought of that?
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1739)
    Also why do I want to no lynch? Explain all that in your own words.
    If you think el is a wolf with me why Batman first? I know why, but I want you to submit and say it so I can add to my signature. Go ahead say it.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1742)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1740)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1739)
    Also why do I want to no lynch? Explain all that in your own words.
    If you think el is a wolf with me why Batman first? I know why, but I want you to submit and say it so I can add to my signature. Go ahead say it.
    I dont care who we lynch between those two I just know michelle was on board with you
    Hmm it sounds like you do. I think you are afraid that if you don’t lynch me then the rest won’t be able to while el is a much easier lynch lol
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1743)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1741)
    If you were paying attention my vote was on el ahrairah all day until chocolate switched to you, and I was forced to go for you as well for any chance to not lynch chocolate/marluxion cause YOU Vote parked on a town instead of el ahrairah.
    I was here at eod. I wasn’t parked, I would have voted el to save marl of course. I didn’t have that opportunity
    You parked your vote and didn’t come switch it or argue and convince others. Don’t blame your failures on me. Stop self projecting onto others.
    I had no way to save marl. I even became a wagon and could have been lynched. Marl didn’t self press on me and I didn’t self press on him.
    This is why I’m lock clear and 2ill die tonight. You are a $#@!ing shame to the game if u are town.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1745)
    Well do ur thing. While you at it find some incriminating evidence to ur pushes. I would love to see what you find on el. Then see how you could ever link that to me
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1749)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1748)
    ##Vote El-ahrairah


    The problem with voting el ahrairah first is that I'm just gonna lynch batman right after so what's the point
    And why does Batman wolf leaves you alive? Wouldn’t you be the next kill if we lynch el and he’s a wolf?
    Do I need to help you town? This is very wolfy abrax. Or just bad at the game? Which is it? Who does wolf Batman kills after el flips wolf? S gonna be just me wolfing and I need to make a kill.
    Is abraxas town? Would I maybe kill that dude named abraxas who just owned my partner el? And maybe you can. Then lynch wolf ba\tman from ur grave or you are gonna be alive cuz you are a wolf and el is not? Explain it to me like I’m 5
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1750)
    Well You better convince others now that I’m the wolf with el. I want to se what u come up with actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1752)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1750)
    Well You better convince others now that I’m the wolf with el. I want to se what u come up with actually.
    It's no use Batman, Abraxas has seen through our cunning, Machiavellian scheming. We might as well concede this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1756)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1751)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1750)
    Well You better convince others now that I’m the wolf with el. I want to se what u come up with actually.
    Your mafia
    Dam this was a very damning iso. I concede
    Gg town
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1760)
    Some stuff that caught my attention while catching up.

    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1404)
    I think I agree with hollow in that resolving FTF's slot will resolve Abraxas. ##Vote Marluxion
    @TraumaWard In what way is Abraxas resolved for you now? If you've reached a solid conclusion on him, talk me through it. If you've already done that then ignore this post and I'll read it when I get to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1487)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#1434)
    Cupcake Wars D6 Day 3 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    3 Marluxion hollowkatt (55), El-ahrairah (33), TraumaWard (15)
    3 Chocolate BATMAN (25), Litten (31), Marluxion (62)
    1 hollowkatt Abraxas (15)
    1 Not voting Chocolate (18)

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    End day at majority is enabled. With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach majority.

    Day 3 ends at 10:00 PM EST on Saturday, November 30th, 2019. There are 1575169260000 remaining.
    Choco vote is on marl. She’s just beating around the bush like she said I was lol.
    Abrazas needs to vote choco and if he doesn’t they both get insta lynch tomorrow when marl flips town.
    I need another townie to switch. I don’t trust the others.
    @hollowkatt yoo
    At some point yesterday you were saying the wolves were me + Chocolate but you also say Abraxas + Chocolate here. How do you reconcile these contrasting worlds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1472)
    I think batman has entered the POE and I dont like choosing between chocoloate/marluxion/batman. El fits with all of these teams and is the most likely scum imo.

    Hollowkat is trending up so we can put him on a townlean.

    If we vote one of the above 3 instead of el-ahrairah we better be right.

    I think chocolate/michelle is probably town though. I also feel the same way about marluxion.


    So basically my thoughts are :


    Highest scum likelihood

    -El ahrairah
    -Batman
    -Marluxion
    -Chocolate

    Least scum likelihood


    Everyone else I am now reasonably sure are town.
    Abraxas having both me and Marv in his scum pile yesterday while I had been death-tunnelling Marv since I subbed into the game shows Abraxas is not trying to eliminate potential worlds. This is the scummiest kind of scum list because it shows no consideration for how people have behaved and interacted. Zero critical thinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1520)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1358)
    I know this is aimed at Hollowkatt but Imma answer it anyway because I'm nosy and opinionated.

    My PoE RN puts it at Flush/Marv slot as 100% a wolf, and then the last wolf within Abraxas/Chocolate/Trauma

    My tomorrow will be spent reviewing Soneji posts to see if I can elminate any of these as potential worlds.

    Then working through Flush/Marv and my PoE to see if I can rule out any other worlds. I'll have a few hours in the morning before I bugger off for the day to do dog stuff then social stuff so hopefully by then I can narrow down the potential worlds for hunting in tomorrow.

    Meanwhile I'll...

    ##Vote Marluxon
    El can you do this work you promised today? I want to see your conclusion or I’m killing you instead. Your move
    No, as mentioned, I was away from home for most of the weekend. Trying now.


    I'm caught up with the game upto p#1610 but I gotta go grab some lunch for an hour. Will pick up when I return.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1763)
    Ruling out Abraxas worlds:

    Abraxas/BATMAN - very, very unlikely. Mostly due to how they have interacted over the past 2 days. The wolves have been crushing us all game, and if it weren't for Litten and his hero shot we would probably have lost it by now. Wolves in a strong position don't need to start bussing each other at this stage, it weakens their position. I know Abraxas hates wolfing but I don't think even he would go up against his Bat!packmate like this at this stage.

    Abraxas/hollowkatt - unlikely. Early on D1 Abraxas gave hollokatt an easy TR (99% town) which I could tinfoil a potential w/w except for again Abraxas has been accusing hollowkatt of being a wolf recently, and some of their interactions have come off as very unnecessary if W/W. Can dig them out if needed but operating on limited time RN.

    Rule these 2 worlds out

    That leaves:

    Abraxas/Chocolate - possible, but I think not likely. Abraxas has defended Michelle vocally but also been very pockety/buddying towards here. I think if Abraxas flips W then Michelle flips V bsed on how he's trying to coax and cajole her into voting Batman and suggesting that people are trying to set her up for a mislynch. Feels like wolf trying to stoke town paranoia.

    Abraxas/TraumaWard - possible, likely. Based on almost zero interaction between the two, which I can see as an attempt to not spew Trauma if he flips. There is 1 time when Abraxas defends trauma because of "ESL" reasons (???) and the only other interaction is p#173, which comes across as overly friendly/coachey. I do wonder if they were w/w why wouldn't this sort of thing go in wolfchat but IDK, feels like it could be a thing.

    Overall

    Strong potential for Abraxas/Trauma
    Weak potential for Abraxas/Chocolate

    Zero or negligible potential for Abra/Bats and Abra/hollow

    I need to review Abraxas/Trauma interactios from the Trauma side next to see if it can be ruled out that way.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1766)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1761)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1638)
    I already said it's EL
    On D2 I say Abraxas is not in his town meta because he hasn't tunnelled anyone, on D3 Abraxas starts tunnelling me.

    #funnynotfunny

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1460)
    how many times you had succes irl when you told to a woman to shut up? asking from curiosity.

    Game related, I have to shut up cuz I'm right. Thanks for confirmation.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1692)
    Going out with a girl. I’ll post when I can.
    ZOMG is this a thing? Chocolate makes a comment about Batman chatting up women and later Batman makes a comment that he's going out with a girl? Possible wolf-chat slip into the game thread??? Has anyone looked at potential Batman/Michelle?
    HHaaha wow that’s a trump Giuliani type of deep conspiracy.
    I’m a single guy and I like women. Shocker I go out with them often. I consider myself single but I’m very active in the dating scene
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1769)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1766)
    I’m a single guy and I like women. Shocker I go out with them often. I consider myself single but I’m very active in the dating scene
    And Michelle knows this because she gives you dating tips in scumchat!

    I'm half kidding. I'm also keeping a special place for this theory in my tinfoil hat pockets.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1770)
    El stop with your world be waste of time for a second.
    Do you even think I’m a wolf? Why are u putting me in any worlds? Are you afraid I fooled u? Is that it?

    Do I have anyone who you say: I doubt this person is ever a wolf.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1772)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1769)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1766)
    I’m a single guy and I like women. Shocker I go out with them often. I consider myself single but I’m very active in the dating scene
    And Michelle knows this because she gives you dating tips in scumchat!

    I'm half kidding. I'm also keeping a special place for this theory in my tinfoil hat pockets.
    I asked her for dating tips here mostly on what works for her. So if you wanna tinfoil anything it should be that Batman is trying to courtship michelle... that at least would be someone correct and only takes the dumbest detective to see. Yet you failed to see it and instead are ignoring the info in your face and just taking $#@! about some deep alt sci fi world where Batman Is an evil villain. Please
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1778)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1770)
    El stop with your world be waste of time for a second.
    Do you even think I’m a wolf? Why are u putting me in any worlds? Are you afraid I fooled u? Is that it?

    Do I have anyone who you say: I doubt this person is ever a wolf.
    Partially, yes. When I was reading along with the game, even before I subbed in, I had you as 100% a town. It was a really stron ggut feeling about how you approached the game, admitting you were playing into your wolf meta. And now I am worried I've given you a free pass when I ought to have been paying considerably more attentin to you. I also feel like we've been talking past each other all game, and that doesn't sit right with me.

    RN I doubt hollowkatt is ever a wolf, partially because of tone, partially because of volume, partially because of meta. But I'm still including him in my "rule out worlds" scenarios because I'm conscious that my reads are ME - they are personal to me, and as a hooman bean I am fallible.

    I try to rule out worlds as objectively as possible by disassociating myself and my emotions from my analysis and that's something I think I should subject everybody to, even the people I think are town.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1783)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1774)
    El how much have you played with hollow?
    Just 1 game, we were both town and I death-tunnelled him all game.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1792)
    Despite my scumchat dating tips tinfoil, if Batman and Michelle are W/W this is the most unnecessarily elaborate distancing attempt I have ever seen.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1800)
    Aight, I'm going in.

    Abraxas/Trauma

    That's my solve

    I still have hollowkatt, Batman and Michelle to re-read, but I think hollowkatt is town so I can save myself an hour or two there. That leaves Michelle and Batman.

    I don't think they are wolves with each other. My first read of Batman before subbing in was V. He's never scum with Abraxas. That leaves only Bats/Trauma which... maybe? Doesn't feel right tho.

    Michelle has only a weak chance of being scum with Abraxas because of his treatment of her when she was being pushed by others. Michelle/Trauma? I need more time to work it out from Michelle side but I don't have time for that RN.

    Gotta leave work in 15 mins and then type up nearly 3 months' worth of business accounts, which wipes out half my evening because I am not actually an accountant and I math bad. In like 5 hours my Hydra starts so my input into this game drops even further

    If we no-lynch today I am always voting in Abraxas/Trauma tomorrow

    BAtman/Michelle/Hollowkatt - your thougths?
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1804)
    Michelle if you are wrong on batman, who do you think the wolves are? And if you're right on batman, who do you think is his packmate?

    Batman, same question WRT Michelle
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1821)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1792)
    Despite my scumchat dating tips tinfoil, if Batman and Michelle are W/W this is the most unnecessarily elaborate distancing attempt I have ever seen.
    Which means is impossible. Why would I let her be tied with marl when I could easily selfpress on marl. Say one more dumb $#@! and I’m voting you. I don’t even wanna to play this stupid game. Does anyone even try?


    My initial thought that triggered my deep dive was that El did a strong townread on Batman in the beginning, but I think I've ruled out this world after all. Specifically because of this:

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1778)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1770)
    El stop with your world be waste of time for a second.
    Do you even think I’m a wolf? Why are u putting me in any worlds? Are you afraid I fooled u? Is that it?

    Do I have anyone who you say: I doubt this person is ever a wolf.
    Partially, yes. When I was reading along with the game, even before I subbed in, I had you as 100% a town. It was a really stron ggut feeling about how you approached the game, admitting you were playing into your wolf meta. And now I am worried I've given you a free pass when I ought to have been paying considerably more attentin to you. I also feel like we've been talking past each other all game, and that doesn't sit right with me.

    RN I doubt hollowkatt is ever a wolf, partially because of tone, partially because of volume, partially because of meta. But I'm still including him in my "rule out worlds" scenarios because I'm conscious that my reads are ME - they are personal to me, and as a hooman bean I am fallible.

    I try to rule out worlds as objectively as possible by disassociating myself and my emotions from my analysis and that's something I think I should subject everybody to, even the people I think are town.
    The bold just makes sense to me for reasoning on the strong town read. Add that to my previous thoughts that Batman's posts have been towny, I just don't see this world as a possibility. Now, my feelings are that Batman/El is t/t.

    Process of elimination, my current thought is Abraxas/Chocolate. But I still need to dive into it. Might not have time before work ends, but I will before EoD.
    Actually I wanna elaborate on this real quick. El's reasoning makes sense because I don't see a wolf admitting that they were wrong on a townread, especially one that I don't think anyone was talking about. I feel like a wolf would have been content to let that be forgotten, instead of bringing it up on their own.
  23. Day 4#1852

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed Chocolate

    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1846)
    I was going through and seeing if Batman/El was a world. Here's every post that I found where they interact:

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#658)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#498)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#422)
    Flush you not doing any favors to town if you indeed are.
    Batman appearing and then disappearing when major things happen is NAGL.
    But he's town.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#707)
    I got some townmarks as follows:

    BATMAN
    p#37
    p#136
    p#424

    Chocolate
    p#13
    p#266

    hollowkatt
    p#196

    Litten
    p#63
    p#66
    p#304
    p#440

    Traumaward
    p#57

    Wisdom
    p#208


    I also noted some interactions which indicate unlikely pack combinations:

    Litten/HK not W/W for p#51
    (and given that Litten is now the un-CC'd Vig, yay me)

    Wisdom/Flush not W/W for p#283

    Batman/Flush not W/W for p#422
    (I TR Batman anyway but including this as a legacy in case I go the way of the Percysaurus, into the tarpit of doom)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#894)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#849)
    He’s so lackluster that I don’t think I ever seen him this bad.
    Funny, I was going to say the same thing about you

    But I still think you're town, so.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#968)
    Leaving work soon but I'll be back around 10.30pm my time to check on answers to my Qs and put a vote down before bed.

    Here's where my head's at now

    Flush, Hollowkatt and Geyde are all independently scummy to me but I think the odds of all 3 scum being on the Cap wagon are very low, so probably at most 1 wolf in here.

    Unless wolf!Soneji saw his 2 buddies on a sinking ship and jumped onto it at the last minute specifically feed into that WIFOM, but that feels pretty tinfoiley even for me.

    I don't know what to make of Trauma and Abraxas. A lot of Trauma's early ISO is a bad look WRT Soneji but there are a few things he's done (like mocking Flush with his last post) that I don't see as coming from a scum who's never played forum mafia before. Abraxas IDK, he's been a lot more active than I expect of him as scum because I know he doesn't like randing scum, yet he doesn't feel like he's in the town meta I know (tunnelling the strongest player(s) in the game) so I need more time to figure him out.

    Both Wisdom and Chocolate feel like they're not really here. These are both players I've mistakenly tunnelled in the past (to the detriment of the game, at times) so if they are town they need to start towning it up so I can find them.

    Batman's still my strongest TR. Every game I've played with him he's bragged that he's unreadable yet he's always super obvious to me when he's town. So let's call reading Batman my super power. It's pretty specific and useless in a fight, but if I'm wrong on Bats I'll heat my hat.

    Litten is the hero we needed.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1181)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#1178)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1020)
    Yes flush I got to the wisdom / geyde not Ww or shouldn’t be and same with geyde/ abrax same thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1022)
    He claimed so let’s see where that goes. You should ignore him altogether cuz you are mad. Let me deal with that.
    Focus on the rest.
    Such a goddamn wolf
    Batman told your slot to ignore me and focus on other players. I really don't see Bat!wolf passing up the opportunity to rile up Flush, point him at me and let him go. Unless the wolf team is exactly Bat/Flush and Bat was afraid Flush was making himself look bad with his BS and trying to distance from that.

    But I doubt.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1330)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1284)
    Real POE is exactly chocolate, trauma and El.
    For post game cred
    Why are you ignoring the fact that Flush literally TMI-slipped that I'm town? He mocked me for thinking my role PM meant I got to play at town leader.

    He. Knew. I. Am. Town.


    Also I'm back from stuff^tm btw. Rawr etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1345)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1322)
    Michelle I see you as weak???
    Err is wrong with you? You are like the only player I praised in 2019 other than Percy.
    Didn't you praise me in the last game we played together? :\
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1395)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1330)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1284)
    Real POE is exactly chocolate, trauma and El.
    For post game cred
    Why are you ignoring the fact that Flush literally TMI-slipped that I'm town? He mocked me for thinking my role PM meant I got to play at town leader.

    He. Knew. I. Am. Town.


    Also I'm back from stuff^tm btw. Rawr etc.
    What the $#@! are you on about? Flush? He’s still alive and not in the game mind you. Why would flush saying you are town make u confirm? Is he a wolf are u saying??
    Wow
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1399)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1345)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1322)
    Michelle I see you as weak???
    Err is wrong with you? You are like the only player I praised in 2019 other than Percy.
    Didn't you praise me in the last game we played together? :\
    I said you were pretty good. I basically took michelle under my wing and was very rough with her so she could learn. 5 names and many months later I’m like a proud father. Much different, I didn’t have any influence on you.
    You make me sad now and I understand is just cuz you are a wolf. So I forgive you my son.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1453)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1395)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1330)
    Why are you ignoring the fact that Flush literally TMI-slipped that I'm town? He mocked me for thinking my role PM meant I got to play at town leader.

    He. Knew. I. Am. Town.


    Also I'm back from stuff^tm btw. Rawr etc.
    What the $#@! are you on about? Flush? He’s still alive and not in the game mind you. Why would flush saying you are town make u confirm? Is he a wolf are u saying??
    Wow
    You may not have noticed, but I've been saying that for 2 days.

    I can't explain it any simpler than I already have.

    I don't understand how you don't understand. He was basically saying "haha el ur posts are so wolfy, you think your role card gives you the right to be a town leader"

    Do you know who doesn't get the right to be town leader?

    Wolves.

    Flush KNEW my role PM is green. His mockery backfired because he revealed knowledge he shouldn't have had.


    Now Imma go get a coffee and catch up on the remaining 2 pages. Mmm coffee.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1492)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1453)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1395)
    What the $#@! are you on about? Flush? He’s still alive and not in the game mind you. Why would flush saying you are town make u confirm? Is he a wolf are u saying??
    Wow
    You may not have noticed, but I've been saying that for 2 days.

    I can't explain it any simpler than I already have.

    I don't understand how you don't understand. He was basically saying "haha el ur posts are so wolfy, you think your role card gives you the right to be a town leader"

    Do you know who doesn't get the right to be town leader?

    Wolves.

    Flush KNEW my role PM is green. His mockery backfired because he revealed knowledge he shouldn't have had.


    Now Imma go get a coffee and catch up on the remaining 2 pages. Mmm coffee.
    What are you talking about. Please, he can say you are trying to be a town leader as a wolf. That’s what powerwolfing is
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1520)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1358)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#1336)
    @hollowkatt come talk to me, if Marluxion is scum who do you think their partners are. I can see where you are coming from with wanting them dead, but like I want to lynch scum and scum have partners that they are associated with. I don’t think marluxion goes into the thread when everyone wants them dead and announces to their world that they town read Abraxax if they are his scum partner.

    That’s the problem, even if marluxion is scum, who is he most connected to?
    I know this is aimed at Hollowkatt but Imma answer it anyway because I'm nosy and opinionated.

    My PoE RN puts it at Flush/Marv slot as 100% a wolf, and then the last wolf within Abraxas/Chocolate/Trauma

    My tomorrow will be spent reviewing Soneji posts to see if I can elminate any of these as potential worlds.

    Then working through Flush/Marv and my PoE to see if I can rule out any other worlds. I'll have a few hours in the morning before I bugger off for the day to do dog stuff then social stuff so hopefully by then I can narrow down the potential worlds for hunting in tomorrow.

    Meanwhile I'll...

    ##Vote Marluxon
    El can you do this work you promised today? I want to see your conclusion or I’m killing you instead. Your move
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1526)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1524)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1135)
    Pretty slow day.
    We need to end geyde here. That’s what I believe is best play as it either kills scum and clear some people and break game open or also puts certain people in a pretty good or bad spot if he’s town.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1438)
    Well if we are right I do agree that it breaks the game open cuz el who is a suspect will be clear I guess. Trauma looks good too. Color me convinced
    Batman said break the game open twice, kinda seems odd to me. I havent seen batman really look into the geyde flip with much scrutiny despite saying it would make people look good or bad.

    I think if I was El and Batman I would definitely try to push two town wagons. Bussing here is dumb so I dont think there's cross voting going on. They've kind of talked with each other but not really in a paranoid way. I think batman El is the solve..
    Bro I have El in my POE. Like dead set on it.
    I did look into it... I believe we had two town wagons possible 3.
    That’s my conclusion based on votes and I also figured wolves split their votes. But we are all town on geyde unfortunately
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1542)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1532)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1525)
    Ok. I did see that when I looked back but what makes you think it would be a loud wolf?
    Don’t you see that is mostly me and flush moving the chains in the game? We are the only loud people and we are both town.
    I told you wolves are playing scared and letting us be wrong basically. Had we been dead set in the wolves they would be dead. There’s no fighting back
    So you think all the loud are town and the wolves are the quiet ones? So what, Chocolate/Trauma wolf team?

    Because I'm loud, you're loud, ftf/marl is loud, and el is loud. Litten is lock town. That leaves chocolate, trauma, and abraxas. I don't think you're scum reading abraxas so you're thinking chocolate trauma is the team? I'm not sure that team makes sense.

    I think we've got one loud wolf and one quiet wolf. The loud wolf is driving discussions and the quiet wolf is just sitting on votes they think are advantageous.
    El is not loud... just know that el other games is louder than me. Go look at them
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1672)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#924)
    Quote Originally Posted by Geyde (#211)
    add onto this that hollowkatt probably v based off of this given that their thread presence has been one thing that's been actually causing thread discussion to happen
    Yeah this is a townie post and it confuses me. I guess my worlds atm are [Geyde, Hollowkatt] or [FTF, ???].

    Not sure who that last one could be. Maybe Snorlax. I town read Chocolate, Batman and El anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#1060)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1009)
    @FTFlush ok dude. Relax, don’t say things like outside the game. Stay in the game and take a chill pill please.
    If we have a town oracle not name EL. You must claim if not then rl is clear and we will ignore him now.
    Abrazas and geyde slots being against each other is interesting.
    I had geyde as the wolf but abrazas really haven’t done much. I’m split now and second guessing my reads
    Going to bed now, but yes, I'm the town oracle. I still trust El to be town though, but he shouldn't be cleared in anyone elses eyes.

    It should be possible to see this being the case in my ISO. Reason I claimed "all PR" was that it's the first time I have a PR in a d6 so I wanted to try to be "too PR to be a PR", and since it's a pretty useless one I reckoned I would use it as a claim in late game. But now it's out of the bag thanks to El.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#1063)
    While I trust El to be town right now, if he refuses to let go of his fake claim, lynch him.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1394)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1328)
    Batman you started gradually to make allusive posts towards me and I mentioned you took me as weak because I didn't answer.
    Starting with I am very good and putting me in a too good light knowing a similar game can't happen immediatly, I am still the same person like in the previous game where I lost because I was dumb.


    Is this a post wolf!Batman cam't make? No.
    Michelle feels way off to me. Is sad cuz we just owned last game. Her head is not in this game and could be wolfing I’m sad to say
    First allusion.
    Does it looks like it? It looks like I drove to your house and threw the mud right at your face then said: michelle get your head in the game cuz this is not like the last one.
    Second, It's disgusting so I ignored this.
    Is hard for me to play with people with his style. He doesn’t say much and never around to live read.
    He might be town and I wanted to see your reads. Mostly cuz I thought you were a wolf and wanted to catch u but I’m nOr so sure now.
    I seriously expect lot more from other players. Didn’t like racer slot and then El subbed in and I was hoping it was gonna be an OP sub. He’s so lackluster that I don’t think I ever seen him this bad.
    Wouldn’t mind going there.
    Wisdom could get it too. I like the soneji stuff posted. Soneji liked to talk to partners a lot last game.
    Chocolate very dissa-oinking and could be wolfing too.
    Batman needs a lot of lynch directions. What we know is Wisdom would be a mislynch
    Yah no $#@!... that’s why. She loves to interact with partners.
    Soneji is a girl? In the game 2 bio the pronoun is "he" when he talks about himself. Idk but.. maybe you know best?:shrug:
    @FTFlush ok dude. Relax, don’t say things like outside the game. Stay in the game and take a chill pill please.
    If we have a town oracle not name EL. You must claim if not then rl is clear and we will ignore him now.
    Abrazas and geyde slots being against each other is interesting.
    I had geyde as the wolf but abrazas really haven’t done much. I’m split now and second guessing my reads
    if the bolded wasn't role fishing idk how to call it :/
    Idk. If I should vote geyde, wisdom or wildcard abrazas.

    My issue is wisdom and abrazas voting geyde which means we are wrong about those world.
    Or some $#@!ery going on

    That’s the weird $#@!. It tells me wolves bussing or I’m missing something. Our POE looks bad but we think is good looking at this votes

    Michelle town is been so good lately. Like impressive good and I don’t see any of that here. If she’s not exactly the other PR playing coy then she might be a wolf and it makes me sad. I don’t wanna tinfoil that yet
    New shade for me. Not for tinfoiling yet, of course. Why to wait? Agenda is made step by step.
    I have a huge respect for your wolf game. I am the only one who felt you are wolf in specchat of game 10. I won the bet amd Duskfall had a month a she bunny ava after.
    This is a lot of nothing michelle. Can you go to the point?
    You guessed I was a wolf and were right. Great.
    You say I had tmi about wisdom? Ok makes no sense.
    I save him.
    And then you say I’m rolefishing cuz I asked the real Pr to claim if in fact it wasn’t flush? Come on. That’s so weak.
    We needed to know of flush was lying. Wisdom claimed and then he even said he thought flush was town. Was he wrong also for claiming? What exactly did I do wrong? You think imma wolf and I make wisdom claim so I can kill him? Please
    WTF

    This is 100% a lie.

    Wisdom never said she thought flush was town after she claimed. She said she thought I was town.

    I've quoted the last things Wisdom said about flush and about me.

    Sorry for the big posts, I am phone posting from the bath.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1675)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1397)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#1333)
    Chocolate is the only reason you are suspecting Batman because they are pushing you?
    Isn’t that clear to you? Litten I need you to get your head in the game. Today! Not tomorrow 5 min to eod.
    Come on. You are lock clear and prob dying next. Make a contribution and don’t ask things so silly as that.
    What do you think she’s gonna say? Yes I am pushing Batman cuz I’m a wolf! ????
    Come on. Read her posts. I been in her and her defense is that I been setting up her lunch for days... lol.
    Then said I wanted geyde myslinch cuz I needed it.
    But that’s a horrible slip. Is she saying the other wagons are wolves?
    You understand now!? Why would I rather kill geyde a vanilla when wisdom was a wagon and could have been MAJ. if I had TMI he was the oracle I rather lynch him and then kill litten at night. Much more efficient and my type of wolfing. This wolf team is a bunch of weak players. They just letting others do the work, I will castrate myself if this was my wolf team. Foff
    You say the wolf team is weak yet they seem to be doing considerably better than we are.

    You say the wolves have been been letting others do the work yet your votes on D1 and D2 were on Geyde (conftown) and on D3 chocolate (???)

    You act like it is entirely everybody else's fault that we're in the position and downplay the scum threat in a way I do not like. Now is not the time to sit back and say yeah, lol these wolves.

    Now is the time to get paranoid.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1734)
    If yo die tonight that would be a blessing. I wouldn’t have to tinfoil your spot.
    Sadly I think the little slap fight we have helps us stay alive. Either you are town and they leave you alive so u $#@! it up. Or you are a wolf and you can’t kill me cuz what then?
    I’m town and u should know that.
    How sick of team is just EL and HK or EL and chocolate?
    Why hasn’t the great abraxas who once said he was the BATMAN of his forum ever thought of that?
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1739)
    Also why do I want to no lynch? Explain all that in your own words.
    If you think el is a wolf with me why Batman first? I know why, but I want you to submit and say it so I can add to my signature. Go ahead say it.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1742)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1740)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1739)
    Also why do I want to no lynch? Explain all that in your own words.
    If you think el is a wolf with me why Batman first? I know why, but I want you to submit and say it so I can add to my signature. Go ahead say it.
    I dont care who we lynch between those two I just know michelle was on board with you
    Hmm it sounds like you do. I think you are afraid that if you don’t lynch me then the rest won’t be able to while el is a much easier lynch lol
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1743)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1741)
    If you were paying attention my vote was on el ahrairah all day until chocolate switched to you, and I was forced to go for you as well for any chance to not lynch chocolate/marluxion cause YOU Vote parked on a town instead of el ahrairah.
    I was here at eod. I wasn’t parked, I would have voted el to save marl of course. I didn’t have that opportunity
    You parked your vote and didn’t come switch it or argue and convince others. Don’t blame your failures on me. Stop self projecting onto others.
    I had no way to save marl. I even became a wagon and could have been lynched. Marl didn’t self press on me and I didn’t self press on him.
    This is why I’m lock clear and 2ill die tonight. You are a $#@!ing shame to the game if u are town.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1745)
    Well do ur thing. While you at it find some incriminating evidence to ur pushes. I would love to see what you find on el. Then see how you could ever link that to me
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1749)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1748)
    ##Vote El-ahrairah


    The problem with voting el ahrairah first is that I'm just gonna lynch batman right after so what's the point
    And why does Batman wolf leaves you alive? Wouldn’t you be the next kill if we lynch el and he’s a wolf?
    Do I need to help you town? This is very wolfy abrax. Or just bad at the game? Which is it? Who does wolf Batman kills after el flips wolf? S gonna be just me wolfing and I need to make a kill.
    Is abraxas town? Would I maybe kill that dude named abraxas who just owned my partner el? And maybe you can. Then lynch wolf ba\tman from ur grave or you are gonna be alive cuz you are a wolf and el is not? Explain it to me like I’m 5
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1750)
    Well You better convince others now that I’m the wolf with el. I want to se what u come up with actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1752)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1750)
    Well You better convince others now that I’m the wolf with el. I want to se what u come up with actually.
    It's no use Batman, Abraxas has seen through our cunning, Machiavellian scheming. We might as well concede this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1756)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1751)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1750)
    Well You better convince others now that I’m the wolf with el. I want to se what u come up with actually.
    Your mafia
    Dam this was a very damning iso. I concede
    Gg town
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1760)
    Some stuff that caught my attention while catching up.

    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1404)
    I think I agree with hollow in that resolving FTF's slot will resolve Abraxas. ##Vote Marluxion
    @TraumaWard In what way is Abraxas resolved for you now? If you've reached a solid conclusion on him, talk me through it. If you've already done that then ignore this post and I'll read it when I get to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1487)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#1434)
    Cupcake Wars D6 Day 3 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    3 Marluxion hollowkatt (55), El-ahrairah (33), TraumaWard (15)
    3 Chocolate BATMAN (25), Litten (31), Marluxion (62)
    1 hollowkatt Abraxas (15)
    1 Not voting Chocolate (18)

    View Vote History

    End day at majority is enabled. With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach majority.

    Day 3 ends at 10:00 PM EST on Saturday, November 30th, 2019. There are 1575169260000 remaining.
    Choco vote is on marl. She’s just beating around the bush like she said I was lol.
    Abrazas needs to vote choco and if he doesn’t they both get insta lynch tomorrow when marl flips town.
    I need another townie to switch. I don’t trust the others.
    @hollowkatt yoo
    At some point yesterday you were saying the wolves were me + Chocolate but you also say Abraxas + Chocolate here. How do you reconcile these contrasting worlds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1472)
    I think batman has entered the POE and I dont like choosing between chocoloate/marluxion/batman. El fits with all of these teams and is the most likely scum imo.

    Hollowkat is trending up so we can put him on a townlean.

    If we vote one of the above 3 instead of el-ahrairah we better be right.

    I think chocolate/michelle is probably town though. I also feel the same way about marluxion.


    So basically my thoughts are :


    Highest scum likelihood

    -El ahrairah
    -Batman
    -Marluxion
    -Chocolate

    Least scum likelihood


    Everyone else I am now reasonably sure are town.
    Abraxas having both me and Marv in his scum pile yesterday while I had been death-tunnelling Marv since I subbed into the game shows Abraxas is not trying to eliminate potential worlds. This is the scummiest kind of scum list because it shows no consideration for how people have behaved and interacted. Zero critical thinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1520)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1358)
    I know this is aimed at Hollowkatt but Imma answer it anyway because I'm nosy and opinionated.

    My PoE RN puts it at Flush/Marv slot as 100% a wolf, and then the last wolf within Abraxas/Chocolate/Trauma

    My tomorrow will be spent reviewing Soneji posts to see if I can elminate any of these as potential worlds.

    Then working through Flush/Marv and my PoE to see if I can rule out any other worlds. I'll have a few hours in the morning before I bugger off for the day to do dog stuff then social stuff so hopefully by then I can narrow down the potential worlds for hunting in tomorrow.

    Meanwhile I'll...

    ##Vote Marluxon
    El can you do this work you promised today? I want to see your conclusion or I’m killing you instead. Your move
    No, as mentioned, I was away from home for most of the weekend. Trying now.


    I'm caught up with the game upto p#1610 but I gotta go grab some lunch for an hour. Will pick up when I return.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1763)
    Ruling out Abraxas worlds:

    Abraxas/BATMAN - very, very unlikely. Mostly due to how they have interacted over the past 2 days. The wolves have been crushing us all game, and if it weren't for Litten and his hero shot we would probably have lost it by now. Wolves in a strong position don't need to start bussing each other at this stage, it weakens their position. I know Abraxas hates wolfing but I don't think even he would go up against his Bat!packmate like this at this stage.

    Abraxas/hollowkatt - unlikely. Early on D1 Abraxas gave hollokatt an easy TR (99% town) which I could tinfoil a potential w/w except for again Abraxas has been accusing hollowkatt of being a wolf recently, and some of their interactions have come off as very unnecessary if W/W. Can dig them out if needed but operating on limited time RN.

    Rule these 2 worlds out

    That leaves:

    Abraxas/Chocolate - possible, but I think not likely. Abraxas has defended Michelle vocally but also been very pockety/buddying towards here. I think if Abraxas flips W then Michelle flips V bsed on how he's trying to coax and cajole her into voting Batman and suggesting that people are trying to set her up for a mislynch. Feels like wolf trying to stoke town paranoia.

    Abraxas/TraumaWard - possible, likely. Based on almost zero interaction between the two, which I can see as an attempt to not spew Trauma if he flips. There is 1 time when Abraxas defends trauma because of "ESL" reasons (???) and the only other interaction is p#173, which comes across as overly friendly/coachey. I do wonder if they were w/w why wouldn't this sort of thing go in wolfchat but IDK, feels like it could be a thing.

    Overall

    Strong potential for Abraxas/Trauma
    Weak potential for Abraxas/Chocolate

    Zero or negligible potential for Abra/Bats and Abra/hollow

    I need to review Abraxas/Trauma interactios from the Trauma side next to see if it can be ruled out that way.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1766)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1761)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1638)
    I already said it's EL
    On D2 I say Abraxas is not in his town meta because he hasn't tunnelled anyone, on D3 Abraxas starts tunnelling me.

    #funnynotfunny

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1460)
    how many times you had succes irl when you told to a woman to shut up? asking from curiosity.

    Game related, I have to shut up cuz I'm right. Thanks for confirmation.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1692)
    Going out with a girl. I’ll post when I can.
    ZOMG is this a thing? Chocolate makes a comment about Batman chatting up women and later Batman makes a comment that he's going out with a girl? Possible wolf-chat slip into the game thread??? Has anyone looked at potential Batman/Michelle?
    HHaaha wow that’s a trump Giuliani type of deep conspiracy.
    I’m a single guy and I like women. Shocker I go out with them often. I consider myself single but I’m very active in the dating scene
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1769)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1766)
    I’m a single guy and I like women. Shocker I go out with them often. I consider myself single but I’m very active in the dating scene
    And Michelle knows this because she gives you dating tips in scumchat!

    I'm half kidding. I'm also keeping a special place for this theory in my tinfoil hat pockets.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1770)
    El stop with your world be waste of time for a second.
    Do you even think I’m a wolf? Why are u putting me in any worlds? Are you afraid I fooled u? Is that it?

    Do I have anyone who you say: I doubt this person is ever a wolf.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1772)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1769)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1766)
    I’m a single guy and I like women. Shocker I go out with them often. I consider myself single but I’m very active in the dating scene
    And Michelle knows this because she gives you dating tips in scumchat!

    I'm half kidding. I'm also keeping a special place for this theory in my tinfoil hat pockets.
    I asked her for dating tips here mostly on what works for her. So if you wanna tinfoil anything it should be that Batman is trying to courtship michelle... that at least would be someone correct and only takes the dumbest detective to see. Yet you failed to see it and instead are ignoring the info in your face and just taking $#@! about some deep alt sci fi world where Batman Is an evil villain. Please
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1778)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1770)
    El stop with your world be waste of time for a second.
    Do you even think I’m a wolf? Why are u putting me in any worlds? Are you afraid I fooled u? Is that it?

    Do I have anyone who you say: I doubt this person is ever a wolf.
    Partially, yes. When I was reading along with the game, even before I subbed in, I had you as 100% a town. It was a really stron ggut feeling about how you approached the game, admitting you were playing into your wolf meta. And now I am worried I've given you a free pass when I ought to have been paying considerably more attentin to you. I also feel like we've been talking past each other all game, and that doesn't sit right with me.

    RN I doubt hollowkatt is ever a wolf, partially because of tone, partially because of volume, partially because of meta. But I'm still including him in my "rule out worlds" scenarios because I'm conscious that my reads are ME - they are personal to me, and as a hooman bean I am fallible.

    I try to rule out worlds as objectively as possible by disassociating myself and my emotions from my analysis and that's something I think I should subject everybody to, even the people I think are town.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1783)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1774)
    El how much have you played with hollow?
    Just 1 game, we were both town and I death-tunnelled him all game.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1792)
    Despite my scumchat dating tips tinfoil, if Batman and Michelle are W/W this is the most unnecessarily elaborate distancing attempt I have ever seen.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1800)
    Aight, I'm going in.

    Abraxas/Trauma

    That's my solve

    I still have hollowkatt, Batman and Michelle to re-read, but I think hollowkatt is town so I can save myself an hour or two there. That leaves Michelle and Batman.

    I don't think they are wolves with each other. My first read of Batman before subbing in was V. He's never scum with Abraxas. That leaves only Bats/Trauma which... maybe? Doesn't feel right tho.

    Michelle has only a weak chance of being scum with Abraxas because of his treatment of her when she was being pushed by others. Michelle/Trauma? I need more time to work it out from Michelle side but I don't have time for that RN.

    Gotta leave work in 15 mins and then type up nearly 3 months' worth of business accounts, which wipes out half my evening because I am not actually an accountant and I math bad. In like 5 hours my Hydra starts so my input into this game drops even further

    If we no-lynch today I am always voting in Abraxas/Trauma tomorrow

    BAtman/Michelle/Hollowkatt - your thougths?
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1804)
    Michelle if you are wrong on batman, who do you think the wolves are? And if you're right on batman, who do you think is his packmate?

    Batman, same question WRT Michelle
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1821)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1792)
    Despite my scumchat dating tips tinfoil, if Batman and Michelle are W/W this is the most unnecessarily elaborate distancing attempt I have ever seen.
    Which means is impossible. Why would I let her be tied with marl when I could easily selfpress on marl. Say one more dumb $#@! and I’m voting you. I don’t even wanna to play this stupid game. Does anyone even try?


    My initial thought that triggered my deep dive was that El did a strong townread on Batman in the beginning, but I think I've ruled out this world after all. Specifically because of this:

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1778)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1770)
    El stop with your world be waste of time for a second.
    Do you even think I’m a wolf? Why are u putting me in any worlds? Are you afraid I fooled u? Is that it?

    Do I have anyone who you say: I doubt this person is ever a wolf.
    Partially, yes. When I was reading along with the game, even before I subbed in, I had you as 100% a town. It was a really stron ggut feeling about how you approached the game, admitting you were playing into your wolf meta. And now I am worried I've given you a free pass when I ought to have been paying considerably more attentin to you. I also feel like we've been talking past each other all game, and that doesn't sit right with me.

    RN I doubt hollowkatt is ever a wolf, partially because of tone, partially because of volume, partially because of meta. But I'm still including him in my "rule out worlds" scenarios because I'm conscious that my reads are ME - they are personal to me, and as a hooman bean I am fallible.

    I try to rule out worlds as objectively as possible by disassociating myself and my emotions from my analysis and that's something I think I should subject everybody to, even the people I think are town.
    The bold just makes sense to me for reasoning on the strong town read. Add that to my previous thoughts that Batman's posts have been towny, I just don't see this world as a possibility. Now, my feelings are that Batman/El is t/t.

    Process of elimination, my current thought is Abraxas/Chocolate. But I still need to dive into it. Might not have time before work ends, but I will before EoD.
    @Chocolate
  24. Day 4#1853

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed I'm a dummy. Here's the one that includes my...

    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1851)
    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1846)
    I was going through and seeing if Batman/El was a world. Here's every post that I found where they interact:

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#658)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#498)
    Batman appearing and then disappearing when major things happen is NAGL.
    But he's town.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#707)
    I got some townmarks as follows:

    BATMAN
    p#37
    p#136
    p#424

    Chocolate
    p#13
    p#266

    hollowkatt
    p#196

    Litten
    p#63
    p#66
    p#304
    p#440

    Traumaward
    p#57

    Wisdom
    p#208


    I also noted some interactions which indicate unlikely pack combinations:

    Litten/HK not W/W for p#51
    (and given that Litten is now the un-CC'd Vig, yay me)

    Wisdom/Flush not W/W for p#283

    Batman/Flush not W/W for p#422
    (I TR Batman anyway but including this as a legacy in case I go the way of the Percysaurus, into the tarpit of doom)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#894)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#849)
    He’s so lackluster that I don’t think I ever seen him this bad.
    Funny, I was going to say the same thing about you

    But I still think you're town, so.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#968)
    Leaving work soon but I'll be back around 10.30pm my time to check on answers to my Qs and put a vote down before bed.

    Here's where my head's at now

    Flush, Hollowkatt and Geyde are all independently scummy to me but I think the odds of all 3 scum being on the Cap wagon are very low, so probably at most 1 wolf in here.

    Unless wolf!Soneji saw his 2 buddies on a sinking ship and jumped onto it at the last minute specifically feed into that WIFOM, but that feels pretty tinfoiley even for me.

    I don't know what to make of Trauma and Abraxas. A lot of Trauma's early ISO is a bad look WRT Soneji but there are a few things he's done (like mocking Flush with his last post) that I don't see as coming from a scum who's never played forum mafia before. Abraxas IDK, he's been a lot more active than I expect of him as scum because I know he doesn't like randing scum, yet he doesn't feel like he's in the town meta I know (tunnelling the strongest player(s) in the game) so I need more time to figure him out.

    Both Wisdom and Chocolate feel like they're not really here. These are both players I've mistakenly tunnelled in the past (to the detriment of the game, at times) so if they are town they need to start towning it up so I can find them.

    Batman's still my strongest TR. Every game I've played with him he's bragged that he's unreadable yet he's always super obvious to me when he's town. So let's call reading Batman my super power. It's pretty specific and useless in a fight, but if I'm wrong on Bats I'll heat my hat.

    Litten is the hero we needed.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1181)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#1178)
    He claimed so let’s see where that goes. You should ignore him altogether cuz you are mad. Let me deal with that.
    Focus on the rest.

    Such a goddamn wolf
    Batman told your slot to ignore me and focus on other players. I really don't see Bat!wolf passing up the opportunity to rile up Flush, point him at me and let him go. Unless the wolf team is exactly Bat/Flush and Bat was afraid Flush was making himself look bad with his BS and trying to distance from that.

    But I doubt.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1330)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1284)
    Real POE is exactly chocolate, trauma and El.
    For post game cred
    Why are you ignoring the fact that Flush literally TMI-slipped that I'm town? He mocked me for thinking my role PM meant I got to play at town leader.

    He. Knew. I. Am. Town.


    Also I'm back from stuff^tm btw. Rawr etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1345)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1322)
    Michelle I see you as weak???
    Err is wrong with you? You are like the only player I praised in 2019 other than Percy.
    Didn't you praise me in the last game we played together? :\
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1395)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1330)
    Why are you ignoring the fact that Flush literally TMI-slipped that I'm town? He mocked me for thinking my role PM meant I got to play at town leader.

    He. Knew. I. Am. Town.


    Also I'm back from stuff^tm btw. Rawr etc.
    What the $#@! are you on about? Flush? He’s still alive and not in the game mind you. Why would flush saying you are town make u confirm? Is he a wolf are u saying??
    Wow
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1399)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1345)
    Didn't you praise me in the last game we played together? :\
    I said you were pretty good. I basically took michelle under my wing and was very rough with her so she could learn. 5 names and many months later I’m like a proud father. Much different, I didn’t have any influence on you.
    You make me sad now and I understand is just cuz you are a wolf. So I forgive you my son.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1453)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1395)
    What the $#@! are you on about? Flush? He’s still alive and not in the game mind you. Why would flush saying you are town make u confirm? Is he a wolf are u saying??
    Wow
    You may not have noticed, but I've been saying that for 2 days.

    I can't explain it any simpler than I already have.

    I don't understand how you don't understand. He was basically saying "haha el ur posts are so wolfy, you think your role card gives you the right to be a town leader"

    Do you know who doesn't get the right to be town leader?

    Wolves.

    Flush KNEW my role PM is green. His mockery backfired because he revealed knowledge he shouldn't have had.


    Now Imma go get a coffee and catch up on the remaining 2 pages. Mmm coffee.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1492)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1453)
    You may not have noticed, but I've been saying that for 2 days.

    I can't explain it any simpler than I already have.

    I don't understand how you don't understand. He was basically saying "haha el ur posts are so wolfy, you think your role card gives you the right to be a town leader"

    Do you know who doesn't get the right to be town leader?

    Wolves.

    Flush KNEW my role PM is green. His mockery backfired because he revealed knowledge he shouldn't have had.


    Now Imma go get a coffee and catch up on the remaining 2 pages. Mmm coffee.
    What are you talking about. Please, he can say you are trying to be a town leader as a wolf. That’s what powerwolfing is
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1520)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1358)
    I know this is aimed at Hollowkatt but Imma answer it anyway because I'm nosy and opinionated.

    My PoE RN puts it at Flush/Marv slot as 100% a wolf, and then the last wolf within Abraxas/Chocolate/Trauma

    My tomorrow will be spent reviewing Soneji posts to see if I can elminate any of these as potential worlds.

    Then working through Flush/Marv and my PoE to see if I can rule out any other worlds. I'll have a few hours in the morning before I bugger off for the day to do dog stuff then social stuff so hopefully by then I can narrow down the potential worlds for hunting in tomorrow.

    Meanwhile I'll...

    ##Vote Marluxon
    El can you do this work you promised today? I want to see your conclusion or I’m killing you instead. Your move
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1526)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1524)
    Well if we are right I do agree that it breaks the game open cuz el who is a suspect will be clear I guess. Trauma looks good too. Color me convinced

    Batman said break the game open twice, kinda seems odd to me. I havent seen batman really look into the geyde flip with much scrutiny despite saying it would make people look good or bad.

    I think if I was El and Batman I would definitely try to push two town wagons. Bussing here is dumb so I dont think there's cross voting going on. They've kind of talked with each other but not really in a paranoid way. I think batman El is the solve..
    Bro I have El in my POE. Like dead set on it.
    I did look into it... I believe we had two town wagons possible 3.
    That’s my conclusion based on votes and I also figured wolves split their votes. But we are all town on geyde unfortunately
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1542)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1532)
    So you think all the loud are town and the wolves are the quiet ones? So what, Chocolate/Trauma wolf team?

    Because I'm loud, you're loud, ftf/marl is loud, and el is loud. Litten is lock town. That leaves chocolate, trauma, and abraxas. I don't think you're scum reading abraxas so you're thinking chocolate trauma is the team? I'm not sure that team makes sense.

    I think we've got one loud wolf and one quiet wolf. The loud wolf is driving discussions and the quiet wolf is just sitting on votes they think are advantageous.
    El is not loud... just know that el other games is louder than me. Go look at them
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1672)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#924)
    Yeah this is a townie post and it confuses me. I guess my worlds atm are [Geyde, Hollowkatt] or [FTF, ???].

    Not sure who that last one could be. Maybe Snorlax. I town read Chocolate, Batman and El anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#1060)
    Going to bed now, but yes, I'm the town oracle. I still trust El to be town though, but he shouldn't be cleared in anyone elses eyes.

    It should be possible to see this being the case in my ISO. Reason I claimed "all PR" was that it's the first time I have a PR in a d6 so I wanted to try to be "too PR to be a PR", and since it's a pretty useless one I reckoned I would use it as a claim in late game. But now it's out of the bag thanks to El.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#1063)
    While I trust El to be town right now, if he refuses to let go of his fake claim, lynch him.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1394)
    This is a lot of nothing michelle. Can you go to the point?
    You guessed I was a wolf and were right. Great.
    You say I had tmi about wisdom? Ok makes no sense.
    I save him.
    And then you say I’m rolefishing cuz I asked the real Pr to claim if in fact it wasn’t flush? Come on. That’s so weak.
    We needed to know of flush was lying. Wisdom claimed and then he even said he thought flush was town. Was he wrong also for claiming? What exactly did I do wrong? You think imma wolf and I make wisdom claim so I can kill him? Please
    WTF

    This is 100% a lie.

    Wisdom never said she thought flush was town after she claimed. She said she thought I was town.

    I've quoted the last things Wisdom said about flush and about me.

    Sorry for the big posts, I am phone posting from the bath.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1675)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1397)
    Isn’t that clear to you? Litten I need you to get your head in the game. Today! Not tomorrow 5 min to eod.
    Come on. You are lock clear and prob dying next. Make a contribution and don’t ask things so silly as that.
    What do you think she’s gonna say? Yes I am pushing Batman cuz I’m a wolf! ????
    Come on. Read her posts. I been in her and her defense is that I been setting up her lunch for days... lol.
    Then said I wanted geyde myslinch cuz I needed it.
    But that’s a horrible slip. Is she saying the other wagons are wolves?
    You understand now!? Why would I rather kill geyde a vanilla when wisdom was a wagon and could have been MAJ. if I had TMI he was the oracle I rather lynch him and then kill litten at night. Much more efficient and my type of wolfing. This wolf team is a bunch of weak players. They just letting others do the work, I will castrate myself if this was my wolf team. Foff
    You say the wolf team is weak yet they seem to be doing considerably better than we are.

    You say the wolves have been been letting others do the work yet your votes on D1 and D2 were on Geyde (conftown) and on D3 chocolate (???)

    You act like it is entirely everybody else's fault that we're in the position and downplay the scum threat in a way I do not like. Now is not the time to sit back and say yeah, lol these wolves.

    Now is the time to get paranoid.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1734)
    If yo die tonight that would be a blessing. I wouldn’t have to tinfoil your spot.
    Sadly I think the little slap fight we have helps us stay alive. Either you are town and they leave you alive so u $#@! it up. Or you are a wolf and you can’t kill me cuz what then?
    I’m town and u should know that.
    How sick of team is just EL and HK or EL and chocolate?
    Why hasn’t the great abraxas who once said he was the BATMAN of his forum ever thought of that?
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1739)
    Also why do I want to no lynch? Explain all that in your own words.
    If you think el is a wolf with me why Batman first? I know why, but I want you to submit and say it so I can add to my signature. Go ahead say it.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1742)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1740)
    I dont care who we lynch between those two I just know michelle was on board with you
    Hmm it sounds like you do. I think you are afraid that if you don’t lynch me then the rest won’t be able to while el is a much easier lynch lol
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1743)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1741)
    If you were paying attention my vote was on el ahrairah all day until chocolate switched to you, and I was forced to go for you as well for any chance to not lynch chocolate/marluxion cause YOU Vote parked on a town instead of el ahrairah.
    I was here at eod. I wasn’t parked, I would have voted el to save marl of course. I didn’t have that opportunity
    You parked your vote and didn’t come switch it or argue and convince others. Don’t blame your failures on me. Stop self projecting onto others.
    I had no way to save marl. I even became a wagon and could have been lynched. Marl didn’t self press on me and I didn’t self press on him.
    This is why I’m lock clear and 2ill die tonight. You are a $#@!ing shame to the game if u are town.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1745)
    Well do ur thing. While you at it find some incriminating evidence to ur pushes. I would love to see what you find on el. Then see how you could ever link that to me
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1749)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1748)
    ##Vote El-ahrairah


    The problem with voting el ahrairah first is that I'm just gonna lynch batman right after so what's the point
    And why does Batman wolf leaves you alive? Wouldn’t you be the next kill if we lynch el and he’s a wolf?
    Do I need to help you town? This is very wolfy abrax. Or just bad at the game? Which is it? Who does wolf Batman kills after el flips wolf? S gonna be just me wolfing and I need to make a kill.
    Is abraxas town? Would I maybe kill that dude named abraxas who just owned my partner el? And maybe you can. Then lynch wolf ba\tman from ur grave or you are gonna be alive cuz you are a wolf and el is not? Explain it to me like I’m 5
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1750)
    Well You better convince others now that I’m the wolf with el. I want to se what u come up with actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1752)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1750)
    Well You better convince others now that I’m the wolf with el. I want to se what u come up with actually.
    It's no use Batman, Abraxas has seen through our cunning, Machiavellian scheming. We might as well concede this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1756)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1751)
    Your mafia
    Dam this was a very damning iso. I concede
    Gg town
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1760)
    Some stuff that caught my attention while catching up.

    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1404)
    I think I agree with hollow in that resolving FTF's slot will resolve Abraxas. ##Vote Marluxion
    @TraumaWard In what way is Abraxas resolved for you now? If you've reached a solid conclusion on him, talk me through it. If you've already done that then ignore this post and I'll read it when I get to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1487)
    Choco vote is on marl. She’s just beating around the bush like she said I was lol.
    Abrazas needs to vote choco and if he doesn’t they both get insta lynch tomorrow when marl flips town.
    I need another townie to switch. I don’t trust the others.
    @hollowkatt yoo
    At some point yesterday you were saying the wolves were me + Chocolate but you also say Abraxas + Chocolate here. How do you reconcile these contrasting worlds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1472)
    I think batman has entered the POE and I dont like choosing between chocoloate/marluxion/batman. El fits with all of these teams and is the most likely scum imo.

    Hollowkat is trending up so we can put him on a townlean.

    If we vote one of the above 3 instead of el-ahrairah we better be right.

    I think chocolate/michelle is probably town though. I also feel the same way about marluxion.


    So basically my thoughts are :


    Highest scum likelihood

    -El ahrairah
    -Batman
    -Marluxion
    -Chocolate

    Least scum likelihood


    Everyone else I am now reasonably sure are town.
    Abraxas having both me and Marv in his scum pile yesterday while I had been death-tunnelling Marv since I subbed into the game shows Abraxas is not trying to eliminate potential worlds. This is the scummiest kind of scum list because it shows no consideration for how people have behaved and interacted. Zero critical thinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1520)
    El can you do this work you promised today? I want to see your conclusion or I’m killing you instead. Your move
    No, as mentioned, I was away from home for most of the weekend. Trying now.


    I'm caught up with the game upto p#1610 but I gotta go grab some lunch for an hour. Will pick up when I return.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1763)
    Ruling out Abraxas worlds:

    Abraxas/BATMAN - very, very unlikely. Mostly due to how they have interacted over the past 2 days. The wolves have been crushing us all game, and if it weren't for Litten and his hero shot we would probably have lost it by now. Wolves in a strong position don't need to start bussing each other at this stage, it weakens their position. I know Abraxas hates wolfing but I don't think even he would go up against his Bat!packmate like this at this stage.

    Abraxas/hollowkatt - unlikely. Early on D1 Abraxas gave hollokatt an easy TR (99% town) which I could tinfoil a potential w/w except for again Abraxas has been accusing hollowkatt of being a wolf recently, and some of their interactions have come off as very unnecessary if W/W. Can dig them out if needed but operating on limited time RN.

    Rule these 2 worlds out

    That leaves:

    Abraxas/Chocolate - possible, but I think not likely. Abraxas has defended Michelle vocally but also been very pockety/buddying towards here. I think if Abraxas flips W then Michelle flips V bsed on how he's trying to coax and cajole her into voting Batman and suggesting that people are trying to set her up for a mislynch. Feels like wolf trying to stoke town paranoia.

    Abraxas/TraumaWard - possible, likely. Based on almost zero interaction between the two, which I can see as an attempt to not spew Trauma if he flips. There is 1 time when Abraxas defends trauma because of "ESL" reasons (???) and the only other interaction is p#173, which comes across as overly friendly/coachey. I do wonder if they were w/w why wouldn't this sort of thing go in wolfchat but IDK, feels like it could be a thing.

    Overall

    Strong potential for Abraxas/Trauma
    Weak potential for Abraxas/Chocolate

    Zero or negligible potential for Abra/Bats and Abra/hollow

    I need to review Abraxas/Trauma interactios from the Trauma side next to see if it can be ruled out that way.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1766)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1761)
    On D2 I say Abraxas is not in his town meta because he hasn't tunnelled anyone, on D3 Abraxas starts tunnelling me.

    #funnynotfunny

    how many times you had succes irl when you told to a woman to shut up? asking from curiosity.

    Game related, I have to shut up cuz I'm right. Thanks for confirmation.

    Going out with a girl. I’ll post when I can.

    ZOMG is this a thing? Chocolate makes a comment about Batman chatting up women and later Batman makes a comment that he's going out with a girl? Possible wolf-chat slip into the game thread??? Has anyone looked at potential Batman/Michelle?
    HHaaha wow that’s a trump Giuliani type of deep conspiracy.
    I’m a single guy and I like women. Shocker I go out with them often. I consider myself single but I’m very active in the dating scene
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1769)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1766)
    I’m a single guy and I like women. Shocker I go out with them often. I consider myself single but I’m very active in the dating scene
    And Michelle knows this because she gives you dating tips in scumchat!

    I'm half kidding. I'm also keeping a special place for this theory in my tinfoil hat pockets.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1770)
    El stop with your world be waste of time for a second.
    Do you even think I’m a wolf? Why are u putting me in any worlds? Are you afraid I fooled u? Is that it?

    Do I have anyone who you say: I doubt this person is ever a wolf.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1772)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1769)
    And Michelle knows this because she gives you dating tips in scumchat!

    I'm half kidding. I'm also keeping a special place for this theory in my tinfoil hat pockets.
    I asked her for dating tips here mostly on what works for her. So if you wanna tinfoil anything it should be that Batman is trying to courtship michelle... that at least would be someone correct and only takes the dumbest detective to see. Yet you failed to see it and instead are ignoring the info in your face and just taking $#@! about some deep alt sci fi world where Batman Is an evil villain. Please
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1778)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1770)
    El stop with your world be waste of time for a second.
    Do you even think I’m a wolf? Why are u putting me in any worlds? Are you afraid I fooled u? Is that it?

    Do I have anyone who you say: I doubt this person is ever a wolf.
    Partially, yes. When I was reading along with the game, even before I subbed in, I had you as 100% a town. It was a really stron ggut feeling about how you approached the game, admitting you were playing into your wolf meta. And now I am worried I've given you a free pass when I ought to have been paying considerably more attentin to you. I also feel like we've been talking past each other all game, and that doesn't sit right with me.

    RN I doubt hollowkatt is ever a wolf, partially because of tone, partially because of volume, partially because of meta. But I'm still including him in my "rule out worlds" scenarios because I'm conscious that my reads are ME - they are personal to me, and as a hooman bean I am fallible.

    I try to rule out worlds as objectively as possible by disassociating myself and my emotions from my analysis and that's something I think I should subject everybody to, even the people I think are town.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1783)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1774)
    El how much have you played with hollow?
    Just 1 game, we were both town and I death-tunnelled him all game.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1792)
    Despite my scumchat dating tips tinfoil, if Batman and Michelle are W/W this is the most unnecessarily elaborate distancing attempt I have ever seen.
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1800)
    Aight, I'm going in.

    Abraxas/Trauma

    That's my solve

    I still have hollowkatt, Batman and Michelle to re-read, but I think hollowkatt is town so I can save myself an hour or two there. That leaves Michelle and Batman.

    I don't think they are wolves with each other. My first read of Batman before subbing in was V. He's never scum with Abraxas. That leaves only Bats/Trauma which... maybe? Doesn't feel right tho.

    Michelle has only a weak chance of being scum with Abraxas because of his treatment of her when she was being pushed by others. Michelle/Trauma? I need more time to work it out from Michelle side but I don't have time for that RN.

    Gotta leave work in 15 mins and then type up nearly 3 months' worth of business accounts, which wipes out half my evening because I am not actually an accountant and I math bad. In like 5 hours my Hydra starts so my input into this game drops even further

    If we no-lynch today I am always voting in Abraxas/Trauma tomorrow

    BAtman/Michelle/Hollowkatt - your thougths?
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1804)
    Michelle if you are wrong on batman, who do you think the wolves are? And if you're right on batman, who do you think is his packmate?

    Batman, same question WRT Michelle
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1821)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1792)
    Despite my scumchat dating tips tinfoil, if Batman and Michelle are W/W this is the most unnecessarily elaborate distancing attempt I have ever seen.
    Which means is impossible. Why would I let her be tied with marl when I could easily selfpress on marl. Say one more dumb $#@! and I’m voting you. I don’t even wanna to play this stupid game. Does anyone even try?


    My initial thought that triggered my deep dive was that El did a strong townread on Batman in the beginning, but I think I've ruled out this world after all. Specifically because of this:

    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1778)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1770)
    El stop with your world be waste of time for a second.
    Do you even think I’m a wolf? Why are u putting me in any worlds? Are you afraid I fooled u? Is that it?

    Do I have anyone who you say: I doubt this person is ever a wolf.
    Partially, yes. When I was reading along with the game, even before I subbed in, I had you as 100% a town. It was a really stron ggut feeling about how you approached the game, admitting you were playing into your wolf meta. And now I am worried I've given you a free pass when I ought to have been paying considerably more attentin to you. I also feel like we've been talking past each other all game, and that doesn't sit right with me.

    RN I doubt hollowkatt is ever a wolf, partially because of tone, partially because of volume, partially because of meta. But I'm still including him in my "rule out worlds" scenarios because I'm conscious that my reads are ME - they are personal to me, and as a hooman bean I am fallible.

    I try to rule out worlds as objectively as possible by disassociating myself and my emotions from my analysis and that's something I think I should subject everybody to, even the people I think are town.
    The bold just makes sense to me for reasoning on the strong town read. Add that to my previous thoughts that Batman's posts have been towny, I just don't see this world as a possibility. Now, my feelings are that Batman/El is t/t.

    Process of elimination, my current thought is Abraxas/Chocolate. But I still need to dive into it. Might not have time before work ends, but I will before EoD.
    Actually I wanna elaborate on this real quick. El's reasoning makes sense because I don't see a wolf admitting that they were wrong on a townread, especially one that I don't think anyone was talking about. I feel like a wolf would have been content to let that be forgotten, instead of bringing it up on their own.
    I'm a dummy. Here's the one that includes my elaboration @Chocolate
  25. Day 4#1857

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed Yeah, I gathered that, haha

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1856)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1855)
    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1848)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1845)
    I'm going to say something Bats, Chocolate, and El. Let me know what you think

    ##Vote TraumaWard
    Why the spoiler tag? I promise I'll only cry for twenty minutes tops if you vote me.
    Flair. Flair and a chance to click and think. Like if you just "Read" a thing it's there and you can skip over it if you want to, but if you have to click you're interacting with the thought and giving it a certain amount of weight.

    Maybe not important, but seemed right to me. Also I've seen it done before and thought it was neat.
    And yeah, it's a vote for you
    Yeah, I gathered that, haha
  26. Day 4#1859

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed You mean in the post, on you and Abraxas? Or do...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1854)
    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1849)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1847)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1845)
    I'm going to say something Bats, Chocolate, and El. Let me know what you think

    ##Vote TraumaWard
    I want to read the post he promised. If he doesn't post it, then you are right.
    I did the thing, it's P#1846
    Yea but you promised to continue.
    You mean in the post, on you and Abraxas? Or do you mean something else?
  27. Day 4#1860

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed Oops, beat me to it. Next world I have is...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1858)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1854)
    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaWard (#1849)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1847)
    I want to read the post he promised. If he doesn't post it, then you are right.
    I did the thing, it's P#1846
    Yea but you promised to continue.
    I need to see your thought process on other players.
    Oops, beat me to it. Next world I have is you/Abraxas. So I'm gonna reread that next.

    Possible/unlikely worlds:
    Hollow/El - I have a pretty strong TR on Hollow, so I'm not gonna read through this one unless I come back with a reasonable doubt on you/Abraxas.

    El/Abraxas? - I can't remember if I already made a read today on this, but my brain is telling me I did and I feel like it was not a world. Again, I'll double check if I come back with reasonable doubts on you/Abraxas and Hollow/El

    you/El? - Possible. I'll get back to this later in this post.

    I've been through Hollow's and Batman's ISOs the most out of everyone, I think. I was even coming from a place of suspicion multiple times, and in spite of that I came back with townreads multiple times. So I'm not thinking of them as wolves currently.

    El is trickier. I want to think that they're town. But writing this post I'm realizing that they're part of all of my possible worlds. (re: the you/El world, the El/Abraxas world, the Hollow/El world)

    I'm still gonna go through you/Abraxas first anyway, just cause that's the line of thought I was on.
  28. Day 4#1888

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed I went back and did the same thing re:...

    I went back and did the same thing re: Choco/Abraxas:

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#266)
    Finishing work day and taking advantage of the work computer :-)

    Abraxas - sassy as usual, not AI, dissapointingly low poster, goes to the scum lean

    BATMAN - I like his statement about playing in his wolf meta, I think if he is wolf here he uses other wording. Town lean.

    Capage - his post about n0 and n1 created a lot of content, his reads post looks decent for me, a town lean for him too.

    Chocolate - I am the towniest

    FTFlush - walks like a wolf, talks like a wolf, unusual playstyle but not towny, so I think he is scum.

    Geyde - sophisticated first post and a TR for HK, with his prudent approach can go either way, null for now. To note his idea of 2 low poster wolves in P#210

    hollowkatt - noticing HK has many TRs at this moment and reading his interaction with Litten and Batman I think scum would not be so free in posting. P#47 calling everyone to play may be LAMIST, OMGUSing Litten, funny in P#55, says in P#58 that one wolf posted, this makes an interesant parallel with later post of Geyde and maybe inspired it. P#61 he declares Wisdom town in bold letters and explains reads in P#64, unfortunately has only mash scum meta but I remember I SR him in our first game and he was town. His chain of posts with Litten looks for me t/t or w/t, I tend to think the first.

    Litten - his posts P#66/P#70/P#83 are balanced and I like his tone, I think I recognize the town!Litten I saw in so many games.

    Percy - sadly the player who made me understand how may be this language sweet and polite, said he has a bad day, wish him to overcome it. Null read and I hope to see him active before EOD, maybe just a little bit.

    Soneji - my scum enemy in the previous game, he is always talking little as either AI from what I know. I am feeling good about him comparing to the previous game so I can see him leaning town.

    Speedrace - LHF in the full meaning of the word from his 2 posts. Null.

    TraumaWard - wow rl mafia ^^ I never played other than FM and until the last week only in English. I don't want to take a guess, but he is not risking a read on Litten in P#144 and posted few generalities (extremely interesting tbh but not this game related). low part of null

    Wisdom - if she is off then P#114 may give and explanation, until now I am not a fan of Wisdom, I agree giving TRs is super cool to do, but her usual wisdom is nowhere to be find. Scum lean, if this is a strategy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#290)
    @Capage @traumward @Chocolate

    I'm not saying FTflush has posted towny at all, but I've played too many games where a town gets voted like this. So maybe save this lynch for later or let a vig/cop/etc take care of him (if we have one). CAuse right no if this guy flips town we pretty much gain zero info.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#317)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#290)
    @Capage @traumward @Chocolate

    I'm not saying FTflush has posted towny at all, but I've played too many games where a town gets voted like this. So maybe save this lynch for later or let a vig/cop/etc take care of him (if we have one). CAuse right no if this guy flips town we pretty much gain zero info.
    I played with FTF few games. It's the first time when I see him $#@! posting. If he don't show up to play and to be seen doing something villagery I won't change my vote.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#696)
    Quote Originally Posted by Litten (#690)
    I think everybody this game has been mostly avoiding trying to read chocolate, myself included, I have a hard time understanding them sometimes due to the language barrier.

    @Chocolate I have a questions about your post at #266.

    The question is when your listed abraxax as a scum lean you didn’t really give anything noteworthy for them being scum. You said they were acting like how they always act, why did you come to the conclusion that they were scum based off that?
    Abraxas had 1 scum game and I noticed not so much difference between town game and scum game at him. Scum Abraxas posted less and with a bold agenda.
    Some posts made me think at that i'll quote them tomorow, now is almost 11 PM and I have Eod at a game I am hosting in my homesite.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1039)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#698)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#697)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#692)
    Michelle feels way off to me. Is sad cuz we just owned last game. Her head is not in this game and could be wolfing I’m sad to say
    My head is in my own game I am hosting tbh

    Are you throwing mud at the wall to see what's sticking?
    Chocolate, you seem to be coasting this game. Your participation is low, you're not offering many reads, you're not really interacting much with what I think are the interesting things going on in the thread.
    Hate to say it, but Bats might be on to something here.
    Put pen to paper right now, who's your strongest town read that isn't Litten?
    Likewise, who's your strongest scum read?

    If you could give just a quick comment about them as well I'd appreciate it.
    I didn't say I am Chocolate the posting machine, I am a person with full of events rl from time to time.

    The most interesting thing until I went to bed day 1 was your interaction with Litten I disliked in many parts and which made me feel good about him. I didn't feel like meddling tbh.
    Batman compares the previous just finished game where I was involved more than usual with the game. Also no game is identical with another. :shrug:
    The 17er of the champs setup was a sad town loss for me. It was a personal challenge to win that game. I feel I burned a little. The moment for me to stop playing is not far, I gave myself one year to play mafia intensively at my first mentor game here in january. I want that my mentor to not be ashamed with me because I am an idiot who is always pocketed by wolves and let alive to endgame because either she chooses wrong or she's SRed and mislynched in f3.


    Except Litten I TR Batman because he is playing extremely balanced and no, he is not playing in his wolf old meta like he said, from what I noticed.

    My strongest SR, if I ignore FTF, is Abraxas.

    FTF insisting so much and being so active, I will give you my oppinion about him when I'll fully catch up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1059)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1029)
    @Litten @Chocolate and @el come and make your reads and vote known
    I have rn Abraxas as independently scummy (tunnely, role fishing, TMIstic reads), still didn't read all yet, so no voting yet but I will before Ill fell asleep.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1068)
    midnight for me. If I can wake up before 5 am I will be here

    ##Vote Abraxas
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1154)
    let's see my not sorted memorys about everyone.. scratch that, 3 top town
    Litten, town
    Batman i said earlier I think he is town. I don't feel him having a bad agenda.
    Hollowkatt feels honest in many posts
    uh that timer
    and top scum Abraxas and i have no time for more :/
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1313)
    @Marluxion where is Abraxas villager? I've read his Iso 3 times. link me the posts you like pls. Tnx
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1316)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1314)
    ##Unvote Chocolate

    I see no lies there. That's a town AF post 📫
    Thanks
    Let's brainstorming a little if you are here.

    I hate to talk about zero posters but Abraxas and Trauma have a lot of posts before today. How do you see them?
    And how do you see El and Marl?

    I see Abraxas as wolf and I gave my reason, but Trauma is hard to read.
    El is towny at first glance but I need a direct interaction to have a confirmation.
    Marl came in that slot, I am sad for him and I like he was searching in a way for a logic of FTFs posts. That doesn't help very much but is a start and continues the idea I had at Eod 2 to not vote FTF for few meaningful thinks he posted between insults.
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1350)
    For the record I don't think Chocolate is a bad lynch. I think marluxion/flush would be bad. But if I'm left alive in a final case scenario I'm always voting El...
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1352)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1350)
    For the record I don't think Chocolate is a bad lynch. I think marluxion/flush would be bad. But if I'm left alive in a final case scenario I'm always voting El...
    I think chocolate has been very evasive and non-committal so they're a good kill too
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1569)
    michelle has like a 5% chance of flipping scum it's so low
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1697)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1696)
    So i am SRed because I am night sleeping.
    Ftr i will sleep in half hour until my morning when I'll search that post of Batman in the other game, Litten wanted it so I have to find it.

    Batman is one of the best wolf possible I always admired and seeing him pockety (P#1494) and pushing me in the same time I think it's the easiest way to explain why my scum read on him is solid.

    I will make a case in the morning and explain all my thoughts about him.

    One idea about his last posts of yday:
    Searching in semantics a slip when I said "I wanted to see where your attention will switch after the last mislynch." that is not time linked to the day time previous to the lynch ffs -_- And he started to push me for real after the Geyde lynch.
    The fact I made a slip is an invention hence a lie.
    Michelle they are scumreading you because they need a mislynch just vote batman got damn
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1714)
    Chocolate will vote batman with me so we just need 1 more to be convinced and not throw the game
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1790)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#151)
    Quote Originally Posted by Percy (#122)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#121)
    That doesnt sound like me, and it's d1. Why wouldnt I jump to conclusions early? Do you have a better idea?
    Early conclusions are fine so long as they have even some level of probability. Personally, I don’t think that’s what you have there.
    @Percy you are the nicest person in the whole forum. I want to say that I think is unfair. How does one ever lynch good guy Percy? If you are ever a wolf then we are $#@!ed. Lynching Percy must feel like when the crucified Jesus Christ... tons of forever guilt and eternal punishment. Bruce 11:07
    I so agree with you about Percy. He is an awesome guy. But the way you worded this, is like you knew he is villager..
    That didn't srike me at first but it puts a layer on my scumread on you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate (#1837)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1804)
    Michelle if you are wrong on batman, who do you think the wolves are? And if you're right on batman, who do you think is his packmate?

    Batman, same question WRT Michelle
    if and if
    If I am wrong on Batman I am an idiot.

    Let me tell you how I see everyone:

    Abraxas - he's not playing in the town meta, Marl said he is not wolf amd that was clearly confusing for me, i thinked at him independently wolfy and I voted for him. He has scum equity with Batman only if we take the vote for Batman as scum theatre so maybe Marl was right.

    BATMAN - I cannot explain how town Batman would make the moves I pointed out, is in his wolf range to claim to play as wolf and be a wolf in the same time. Who is wolf with Batman you asked? I wish I know!

    El-ahrairah - I think you are villager since you subbed in and I saw you analysing the game. Litten had a post about the first on that slot and he decided the guy was villager.
    I am used with you being absent at Eod amd I didn't notice an agenda at you, If you have wolf equity, yes you have.

    hollowkatt - he is top poster. I bet if we count words he is at least double from the next poster. But this is not AI. He posted a lot of things that found an echo in my thoughts, I thought he can be villager after his interaction with Litten finished with him reconsidering. That felt like good sportmanship. A wolf would keep a little bit of doubt to can tinfoil later. He didn't do that.
    He choose to RNG the vote yesterday, he indirectly saved me. I can't see him wolfy.

    TraumaWard - LHF, at first forum game, hard to read and not extremely clear. Kind of genuine... can this be faked? :shrug:


    Now, I might be crazy, but this DOESN'T rule out Abraxas/Chocolate. Neither of them really interact with each other at all. I found half the posts that I did when looking into El/Batman.

    Chocolate was kind-of sort-of pushing Abraxas, but not in a way that was really solvy or trying to convince the group. She would say that she was scumreading Abraxas and then never have time to explain more. Maybe she really didn't have time, who knows. It's still something to consider.

    The thing that might reverse that in my head is her voting Abraxas in D2. She did park her vote on him and didn't leave, even when he was top wagon.

    Abraxas - This deep dive really didn't rule him out. Some things to notice are that he consistently is voting for people that are confirmed town or are thought to be town. His reads are vague, he switches targets based on things that I think he thinks other people find reasonable.

    Here's some vote counts that I think are notable.



    This one: Chocolate and Abraxas both on confirmed town wagons. But this one is extra interesting. Look at the Soneji vote. He's the only one voting Abraxas. But he jumps off the vote by EoD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#546)
    Cupcake Wars D6 Day 1 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    4 Capage Geyde (30), FTFlush (60), hollowkatt (83), Litten (87)
    2 FTFlush Capage (64), Chocolate (30)
    2 Litten Wisdom (31), Abraxas (27)
    1 Geyde BATMAN (47)
    1 Abraxas Soneji (9)
    3 Not voting Percy (20), Speedrace (2), TraumaWard (18)

    View Vote History

    Day 1 ends at 10:00 PM EST on Tuesday, November 26th, 2019. There are 1574823660000 remaining.

    Here, end of D1. Sonoji jumps off Abraxas and onto the biggest wagon.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#595)
    Cupcake Wars D6 Day 1 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    5 Capage Geyde (32), FTFlush (65), hollowkatt (93), Litten (95), Soneji (13)
    2 FTFlush Capage (64), Chocolate (30)
    2 Litten Wisdom (31), Abraxas (33)
    2 Geyde BATMAN (47), Percy (21)
    2 Not voting Speedrace (2), TraumaWard (19)


    View Vote History

    Capage was lynched. They were: Town Roleblocker.
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    Town Roleblocker

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    Day 1 has ended.

    Day 1 ended at 10:00 PM EST on Tuesday, November 26th, 2019.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#1069)
    Cupcake Wars D6 Day 2 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    3 Geyde Abraxas (16), Wisdom (32), BATMAN (47)
    3 Abraxas Geyde (33), FTFlush (137), Chocolate (29)
    2 FTFlush TraumaWard (18), hollowkatt (44)
    2 Not voting El-ahrairah (66), Litten (21)

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    End day at majority is enabled. With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to reach majority.

    Day 2 ends at 10:00 PM EST on Thursday, November 28th, 2019. There are 1574996460000 remaining.
    These next two vote counts are what look good for chocolate in my head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#1157)
    Cupcake Wars D6 Day 2 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    4 Geyde Abraxas (24), Wisdom (32), BATMAN (52), Litten (32)
    3 Abraxas Geyde (33), FTFlush (158), Chocolate (39)
    3 FTFlush TraumaWard (19), El-ahrairah (83), hollowkatt (54)


    View Vote History

    End day at majority is enabled. With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to reach majority.

    Geyde was lynched. They were: Vanilla Town.
    Role PM for Cupcake Wars D6

    You are Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.


    Day 2 has ended.

    Day 2 ended at 10:00 PM EST on Thursday, November 28th, 2019.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#1591)
    Cupcake Wars D6 Day 3 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    3 Chocolate BATMAN (63), Litten (43), Marluxion (88)
    3 BATMAN Chocolate (41), Abraxas (28), hollowkatt (86)
    2 Marluxion El-ahrairah (36), TraumaWard (19)

    View Vote History

    End day at majority is enabled. With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach majority.

    Day 3 ends at 10:00 PM EST on Saturday, November 30th, 2019. There are 1575169260000 remaining.


    Sorry that took so long, I was running around doing work stuff. Anyway, I'm not convinced on Chocolate, but I AM convinced on Abraxas right now.

    ##Vote Abraxas
  29. Day 4#1900

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed I wanna trust you, but I'm not convinced on the...

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1894)
    @TraumaWard vote hollow
    Trust me. He’s a wolf
    I wanna trust you, but I'm not convinced on the reasoning. Would you mind explaining like I'm five?

    The post that convinced you that Hollow was wolf was El's deflection, right? Could be a strategy, but also could just be a joke. What makes it beyond doubt?
  30. Day 4#1904

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    Completed i'm howling; the comedic timing in this rules

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1902)
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas (#1883)
    Quote Originally Posted by El-ahrairah (#1752)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1750)
    Well You better convince others now that I’m the wolf with el. I want to se what u come up with actually.
    It's no use Batman, Abraxas has seen through our cunning, Machiavellian scheming. We might as well concede this one.

    Yeah this kind of deflection through humorous admittance is a very basic monkey instinct when lying, so you kind of just outed that I'm dead on with you two.

    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...13#post3587813

    In this game I caught these guys and wesmaster tried the same type of "oh man you've got us" defence. I dont know why we do it, but it's like I said, instinctual, and your instincts betrayed you here.
    So I should definitely NOT do this, right?
    I concede
    that I am town
    i'm howling; the comedic timing in this rules
  31. Day 4#1907

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

    by TraumaWard
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    Completed I guess if Chocolate is the wolf, we cross our...

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1905)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#1903)
    Cupcake Wars D6 Day 4 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    3 Abraxas El-ahrairah (43), hollowkatt (45), TraumaWard (21)
    1 El-ahrairah Abraxas (28)
    1 hollowkatt BATMAN (62)
    1 Not voting Chocolate (23)

    View Vote History

    End day at majority is enabled. With 6 players alive, it takes 4 votes to reach majority.

    Day 4 ends at 10:00 PM EST on Monday, December 2nd, 2019. There are 1575342060000 remaining.
    Because there's no Bathammer here Bats can't be a wolf UNLESS it is always with Abraxas.
    I guess if Chocolate is the wolf, we cross our fingers that she doesn't wake up and hammer us.

    But if Abraxas flips red tonight, my vote is on El.
  32. Postgame#1966

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed Aww, thank you. Actually means a lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geyde (#1929)
    Mainly what I needed to do cane down to more of the research that my d1 opener had
    In retrospect my thread read had two wolves nailed down, but I didn’t follow through on it

    @Litten pseudoscience my ass

    Special props to Trauma
    Your play got a decent bit better over the course of the game
    Aww, thank you. Actually means a lot.
  33. Postgame#1967

    Thread: Cupcake Wars D6

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    Completed This was really fun guys! I know we lost and...

    This was really fun guys! I know we lost and stuff but I had a great time. I hope I get to play with y'all again!
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