in a mountainous game? i mean there is no PR so im like???
honestly maybe but this post makes you mafia
Type: Posts; User: Cape90
in a mountainous game? i mean there is no PR so im like???
honestly maybe but this post makes you mafia
well, it could be up for vp to vote between you/whoever schweppes swapped toWell I wish you all the best of luck.
DZ you tunnel-monger you
Schweppy thanks for believing in me.
Otherwise, enjoy the rest of the game and letting be a part of it.
i am confused about the lying discussion and why it matters
... yes?
This is why instead of depression posting i just talk
(obviously im not expecting all points)
Prince what are your thoughts on Ciderhead?
misvotes happen, as town i just grump spew out information then tell town to sheep me and that im 100% correct and that town are silly for voting me
it felt more like you were in antispew day 2 and wanted as little legacy to spew out of you as humanly possible
i mean, you are doing right now what you should have done day 2 when you were here for like that last hour
I think PJ has played fairly suboptimal
PJ might be town i have no idea
but what if i did that?
if u didnt get it
was a joke referring
this post
wow prince put cider over spf confirmed so that means spf is princes mafia partner confirmed
just the tldr of it anyways
my official read on frostburn is they are strange but still town
unlike day 2
i'm not sure why PJ hasn't played this way a day ago where he is actually leaving a legacy
come on guys i explained thisCape voting me checks out, no? (And also makes sense from his worldview he was who I expected)Based on what Frostburn said he got for tiebreaker choices, the only people who could have received votes are Prince and Cider. Both Prince and Cape, however, are claiming they voted outside of those two. One of those two groups are lying.
i make big post
i vote ciderhead because ppl voting PJ
ciderhead didnt respond until this phase
i liked the response and all that but at the time it made sense.
I wasn't going to vote florence or vandy because of the evidential spew
also vandy has been towny recently but thats a side note
Prince having me in both POE and a president contender today is LMAO
If Prince J is town. I will prioritize looking into SPF at nightYes but why?DZ, SPF has been my biggest scum-read for a bit which even Schweppy made a comment towards.
I'm also umming n ahhing on cider, but if I can't get SPF, I'd rather it not be Vandy so Cider? Which makes this set-up so interesting when word vomitting thought tbh haha~
I think shes town because:
- push on flipped wolf
- in her own solving world as opposed to trying to ingratiate herself anywhere
- her reasons for her srronger reads are layered and built up via various methods so are quite 4d
- her thought process is easy to follow and she seems to believe what she says
- has been balance and approachable and taken what i consider to be pro town moves and town sided
- doesnt seem to have any of her wolf tells that i personally have for her
Which of these do you think dont work?
Can you lay out similar to that why you sr her? Or at least- take me on a journey so i can see your pov?
1.) She didn't push Raji? She was okay with her going and had concerns, but was not a pusher especially because she was also being President at the time which puts her in a position to agree with thread climate which I pointed out earlier and even conversed with SPF about.
2.) Okay to not deflect, but turn the question around a bit SPF has been in her own solving world. I've been in my own solving world. You find mine scummy whereas SPF is towny. I understand activity is a precedent here, however, I have been trying to attack the game from my own angle only to be swatted away at most whereas SPF has been more agreeable.
3.) I don't even know how to respond to you saying her reads are 4d broskii
4.) We both know that's not AI for SPF at all. She's a very eloquent speaker and has reads that track no matter what alignment she is playing. There is a reasoned she is one of the scariest players on the site and one I revere greatly even though WE BUTT HEADS EVERY GAME. *letting a little air out of the balloon* But yeah, I don't think that's a valid AI reason for SPF.
5.) Bro, so the fact she has been able to read thread climate while being untouchable for 2 phases which matches what the majority feels is indicative towards her alignment when she has had no pressure nor anyone looking at her?
6.) This last one is just a meta point tbh and well to each their own?
I feel I've answered your bottom questions throughout my responses here.
???
NGL I like some of vandys posts on page 64
...nah but they ar good
But yeah no I didn't that was someone else
Interesting hypothesis on frostburnI think your reads, in general, are meaningless, and I'm starting to wonder if it's being done intentionally.Uh-huh. I Just chose them from a pool of five. (although it's meaningless)
More wifom playing at my paranoia. However the usefulness of their strategy without w!Prince is low and prince is apparently in wolf meta.
Taken from the person who nominates Ciderhead
Don't vote Ciderhead.
I only voted him because I thought there was a chance he might have been scum and prince j was getting nommed already and if he wasn't I was gonna get on Florences case
I mean you are spitting facts
I'm kinda neutral on this argument. Cuz like... That just seems like WIFOM. But the treatment of Prince is probably town
I also think a) is kind of irrelevant since the judges pose more a threat then president
Woah Nelly! Slow down with the takes there buddy.
Also I like ciders response to me.
good job frost even though i think ur wrong lol
it does concern me, if prince isn't mafia but that is really my only concern. I think my other option would be Ciderhead
I have a feeling that Prince J has definitely already been voted so Ima the best and will vote someone else
Ciderhead - I don't super get why Ciderhead voted me as president today. I would say P#2976 is decently accurate on Vandy, not sure why see it is NAI but sure. Cider going off of my idea is very interesting to me. I think the points on P#3009 were fair and things that I saw earlier. Cider's read on Schweppes is 1. he's been antagonistic and 2. Cider usually townreads Schweppes but doesn't this game. But Cider also mentioned not being good at reading Schweppes (P#2552) but also they usually townread Schweppes (P#2719)? P#2718 breaks down why Cider scumreads Schweppes so here are the actual points.
1. Cider says Schweppes is low energy in posting/having no fun. I feel like this is a reason people have been tinfoiling me this game, but okay.
2. Cider claims Schweppes only townreads active players. (Schweppes doesn't townread me or DoctorZeus but whatever bad point).
3. Schweppes' doom-mongering (i kinda townread Schweppes for this admittedly).
4. Schweppes jumped on Cider for switching from Raji to Vandy.
5. Cider says more things like P#2720 which IDK what Cider is getting at here since I find that Rajidae post Cider pulled up not partnered with Schweppes for WIFOMy reasons.
6. Points to Schweppes having awkward interactions with Rajidae P#2728. Not bad.
7. Schweppes confidently read Vandy day 1. Contradicts the point of Schweppes only confidently reading active players.
I guess Ciderhead voted me as placeholder for president. But Cider literally calls me LAMIST in P#2743? IDK I personally wouldn't want a LAMIST president myself.
I like the train of thought in P#2724 and some moments of the busy work that is P#2183 reading spew from Hyena POV.
Day 2 Cider wanted Peter/Schweppes/Prince/Hyena in POE.
Cider does reference their own posts fairly often. I kinda like the devils advocate thought pattern in P#1908.
There are things with Cider that are good, some that seem a bit contradictory. I feel like he picks up reads and drops others randomly, I feel like Cider is more in finding mafia then finding town to put it better.
MIXED
DoctorZeus - I feel like I am eating a sock if this is mafia. Like they have just been pocketing me for a good majority of the game if they are wolf and have been making. DZ is doing busy work that is both busy and actually really helpful. I don't see any real scumreads on DZ that hold any weight (sorry Schweppes). I agree that Prince's comment on wanting Raj dead over Vandy does lean town for me, but I do struggle really pointing to much of anything else. I also want to point to P#2860 which is a post that DZ townread but Prince replicated in hydra game as wolf last minute.
Not sure I gel with the reasons for townreading Frostburn in P#2697 (where DZ sourced P#2585) but i gel with the rest of it.
I am not gonna worry about this slot too much for reasons.
TOWN
EvilContract - I find EC's trains of thought to just point to him being town this game. Treatment of SPF is towny today. Not wanting Hyena as president seems meldy enough. I don't see valid reasons to think EC is suspicious this game. I liked P#2243. There isn't really individual posts, it's more a whole picture thing that looks towny for me with the slot. Even with all of that said, I am not super sure I would put in govt position LMAO. I'm not sure if EC actually townreads SPF or not, but they were in his towncore day 2. P#2043 is a very interesting thought...
TOWN.
Florence Artemis - Be here more plz... Voted PJ thought so cool. Says in P#1894 that they agree DZ is wolf I guess for ??? reasons. They have been literally non-existent since day 1. Maybe I should tinfoil this over Vandy. Could be spewed off of Rajidae pretty heavily townreading them (that could have been an early protection on wolf partner).
MIXED
FrostburnPhoenix - Meh I don't feel like Frost is that scummy, they have been kinda going aggro after who they scumread which is just a playstyle thing it seems like. I don't feel strongly about this, but it's like, absolutely nothing is pinging me.
TOWN LEAN
Hyena - Dunno why people voted them as president, they just don't seem to have the best grip on the game in a townleadery way even though I think they are pretty town and came into today fairly strong making a pretty towny post. I think the PJ treatment is confusing but probably comes from town anyways. If they were concerned about 1. scumreading me 2. making sure PJ didn't go over, why would they elect Schweppes/DZ as judges? Doesn't seem like a scum POV type thing in a Hyena/Prince world.
TOWN LEAN
Prince J - Spoke about this in P#2670/P#2671/P#2677 and I think that about covers it
MAFIA
Schweppes - Called me being town Cape earlier (P#1236) which doesn't match his POV now. I don't get why Schweppes was all doom and gloom day 1, but I get day 2 just due to activity plummeting, like it has been this game, especially today, like has anyone voted? wtf? I am confused though on why people scumread this slot otherwise, they seem like town!Schweppes to me. I like their recent progression on my slot when they were realtiming with me today. P#2537 was a real spicy nacho there Schweppes. Some of day 2 is kinda mediocre to me I guess. I don't like the lack of returning to P#2326 in terms of this Florence thought. Day 3 > Day 2 Schweppes IMO. Also doesn't look great from day 1 if Florence is town. Also Schweppes held onto the thought in P#1709 until later for some reason.
TOWN LEAN
staypositivefriend - Good president, might have had pure govt day 1 if Hyena is town. Literally only seen people scumread this slot off of dumb WIFOM reasons admittedly, even though I am bad at reading SPF. I liked how their thought processes came through in some of their detailed posts. Might explore this at night.
TOWN LEAN
Vandyfan402 - I think P#2988 covers it though I do feel like
this part is actually a decent reason why Vandy is just town.
KINDA MORE TOWN LEAN ACTUALLY THEN MIXED I GUESS WHICH IS TOTALLY NOT ME HEDGING
im gonna look through players and give thoughts in upcoming larger post
im here.
I am aware I was hesitant to the idea of voting Rajidae. My reaction was that or me asking myself "what are they seeing that I am not?"@DoctorZeusOoh id be keen to know why as a town reader of him.I don't fully trust Cape if you couldn't tell and haven't really understood the Cape is town train of thought. He's been a complete null to be at best. I've simply been sheeping other people on him, but from my own personal opinion, I've got EvilC, Frost, Vandy, SPF, you, and Schweppes above him in my reads list.
Like, if someone suggested Cape as a yeet candidate today, I wouldn't bat an eyelash at it.
Ill check him again tomorrow as its 11pm and i need to sleep
Gl; hf
Well, just off the top of my head, Cape has played pretty boring and hasn't really stepped into the limelight as much as others have. If you want to talk about players who would kill Manny and Snow for the simple (and boring) fact that they were the judges who ensured Raji's elimination, Cape fits that mold in my mind. NOT TO MENTION, I distinctly recall Cape (yes, he was also judge that day) hesitating to vote when both Snow and Manny were talking about going after Raji. I'm not bothered by the fact that he eventually voted for Florence -- it was the hesitation that pinged me.
Hm... alright
Question: You said Schweppes/DZ are not w/w but wouldn't you want 2 town in your government as judges?
i townread them both. the only thing i recall from you is that you think they aren't w/w.
As much as I like Vandy voting for DZ like I did, he kinda is rambling about mech mostly today and who should be president, I don't think Vandy declaring DZ is non-negotiable lock in for cabinet hurt his chances, in fact if I was president I would have done the same in having DZ in my govt. I didn't like Vandy's progression on the Peter slot.
Vandy felt more involved and less flat day 1
P#1312/P#1315 are decent looks in terms of noticing stuff/engagement. I feel like for the most part it hasn't really been super there, I guess one of the closest things you could point to is Vandy's read on me with posting too much busy work.
Vandy has a really easy way to carry town after voting out Rajidae and he just feels like he's throwing stuff at the wall on day 2 and 3. Vandy lost conviction to solve after Raidae gone over, and you can see proof of this with lack of show-by-example posts like P#1113
There seemed to be more nuance to Vandy's reads day 1 then any other day and there is also a broader view on the playerlist from that day as I feel like Vandy just hasn't been talking about more then like 3-4 people after that.
Even day 1 Vandy would say hedgy stuff like P#632/P#633/P#641. Not the most egregious stuff in the world since he has had confident reads day 1 that didn't appear hedgy.
I think a decent towncase for Vandy day 1 and in general is Vandy had this read on Florence P#541/P#546/P#547 and it would have been very easy for wolf to just stay in this lane and not just swap into thinking it's Rajidae going as far as to vote them up to be up for elimination.
I'm willing to let it simmer as truth be told, i am just pressuring vandy into doing more quite frankly
Vandy's content has gone down the toilet after day 1 which just makes me think he is riding off the bus. He says I am being super unhelpful and I am like "speak for yourself" LMAO
I am fairly lazyworking today. But it's okay, i found you as wolf buddy, now relax, you and PJ are frozen and killing me tonight
I mean, PJ hasn't been here... again in like the 200-300 posts that im guessing he missedI Know Prince's tone is always bad. I'll let you catch up ig.If it was for real
Look
Prince J is going to be happy go lucky no matter what, in fact more so as mafia. Don't tone read him. I have stood up for town Prince J before when he was getting heat. From what I have read, this is not it, but i have hardly read any new things yet so
How is any of what Hyena did in terms of Prince J distancing?
okay wolf
check my arguemnt to why his EOD of day 2 is wolfy
Originally Posted by Hyena
