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    has your back healed ok?

    has your back healed ok?
  2. sure, i don’t disagree that colloquially there’s...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#162)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#161)
    to me, the word “punishment” very often carries the connotation that the purpose is to achieve retribution for some wrong that’s been done, but that’s not the case here

    i think penalty is a more accurate characterization of it because the purpose of the sign-up bans is really for the community’s sake (i.e. trying to lessen the amount of subs in games), not for retribution

    that said, when people are sign-up banned, i don’t think it would be unreasonable for them to feel like they’ve been punished even though that’s not our intent
    You can say this for pretty much *any* ban though

    In fact if I went and asked, "Hey did you ban these people to achieve retribution?" I think it's safe to say you'd always say no even for the worst permabans, with the rationale being that they were removed for the benefit of the community not to personally spite them or hurt them

    What I'm objecting to here is it feels like there's a clear attempt to sanitize the image of what's going on instead of just being honest that if we can call other bans punishments we can call this one a punishment too, and this attempt to control it as not a 'punishment' feels not honest. Like you guys can call it a penalty if you like (something that dobby also objected to in the post I first quoted, or at least the word penalizing), but colloquially it's entirely normal for people to call this a punishment.
    sure, i don’t disagree that colloquially there’s nothing wrong with people calling it a punishment and that regardless of our intent, it will obviously feel like a punishment to a lot of people

    worth noting ftr that dobby of course doesn’t speak for the mod team anymore, but to the extent the mod team has given the impression in the past that the above isn’t the case, i do think this is a fair criticism

    to me at least, the specific word people use for this policy is not really important and i don’t care to police it
  3. to me, the word “punishment” very often carries...

    to me, the word “punishment” very often carries the connotation that the purpose is to achieve retribution for some wrong that’s been done, but that’s not the case here

    i think penalty is a more accurate characterization of it because the purpose of the sign-up bans is really for the community’s sake (i.e. trying to lessen the amount of subs in games), not for retribution

    that said, when people are sign-up banned, i don’t think it would be unreasonable for them to feel like they’ve been punished even though that’s not our intent
  4. stats on the sub out rate since the policy was...

    stats on the sub out rate since the policy was implemented would be helpful too

    though worth noting we implemented the automatic sign-up and confirmation system at the same time iirc, which confounds things
  5. i’m asking how the playerbase has responded to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#152)
    i dont follow
    i’m asking how the playerbase has responded to the policy as players in games and if it’s impacted players’ decisions on whether to sub out

    that’s qualitative data, not quantitative
  6. just gonna bump this in case anyone wants to...

    just gonna bump this in case anyone wants to weigh in

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#132)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arete (#129)
    Serious question: in the 4-5 months since the new policy was introduced, have there in fact been any instances of people being banned for flaking where the ban was unreasonable, or for that matter remotely ambiguous?

    Specifically only curious about bans, not first-offense-warnings, since 'someone gets falsely banned' seems much worse than 'someone gets a message from the mods telling them not to sub out again even though their first sub was due to an emergency'
    i’m interested in this, yeah

    also interested to know if since the policy has been implemented, people have felt like they couldn’t sub out due to the policy or if people haven’t really cared about it or just generally how the player base has responded to it beyond “i just got this warning and i’m mad about it”

    we’ve had this policy for several months now, so while it’s still kinda early to have a complete picture of its impact, i think the conversation can begin to shift to assessing what the practical effects of it have been rather than going in circles retreading the same ground we’ve been debating for almost a year now
    would like to keep this thread more focused on its actual purpose
  7. i’m interested in this, yeah also interested...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arete (#129)
    Serious question: in the 4-5 months since the new policy was introduced, have there in fact been any instances of people being banned for flaking where the ban was unreasonable, or for that matter remotely ambiguous?

    Specifically only curious about bans, not first-offense-warnings, since 'someone gets falsely banned' seems much worse than 'someone gets a message from the mods telling them not to sub out again even though their first sub was due to an emergency'
    i’m interested in this, yeah

    also interested to know if since the policy has been implemented, people have felt like they couldn’t sub out due to the policy or if people haven’t really cared about it or just generally how the player base has responded to it beyond “i just got this warning and i’m mad about it”

    we’ve had this policy for several months now, so while it’s still kinda early to have a complete picture of its impact, i think the conversation can begin to shift to assessing what the practical effects of it have been rather than going in circles retreading the same ground we’ve been debating for almost a year now
  8. #5

    Thread: Pizza Party Sundays

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    we’ve taken your suggestion into consideration...

    we’ve taken your suggestion into consideration but we need to @Askthepizzaguy if this is feasible
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    Sticky: just gonna repost the writeup c4 did for when we...

    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#457)
    I kind of forgot this award existed, but I'm also gonna nominate @Askthepizzaguy for Most Dedicated.

    I think it's easy to see why - regardless of alignment, pizza will make post after post after post doing things that can't really be counted as fluff.

    In a recent f3, I saw pizza post some of the biggest walls I have ever seen, one after the other - in fact, pizza probably holds all top 10 slots in my "biggest walls" list.

    I think it's a testament to their dedication just how much content they manage to put out and at times it can honestly be kind of overwhelming.

    I'd also like to mention that I've noticed this tendency to post walls isn't limited to just the game, you are almost guaranteed to see a few pregame in the signups thread and even more postgame just spewing their thoughts.

    This is an extremely easy nomination for this category.
    just gonna repost the writeup c4 did for when we took pizza in the draft

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#59)
    (Luk/Litten had already said they were picking Lime when hk picked so don't panic)

    We weren't sure which category we wanted to smoke this time; Wolf, or Dedicated. We checked, and the best pick for each was still alive.

    We're still not sure. That doesn't change our pick though, because the best wolf on the list and the most dedicated player on the list are the same damn person. We all know that those two traits go wonderfully together, but this player takes both to another level entirely. The wolf part, maybe that's subjective. The dedicated part? No, this player is observably the most dedicated player eligible and it's not close.

    We're taking

    Askthepizzaguy

    Pizza goes $%#!in hard.

    Every time I see someone say "_____ has such high WIM, did you see how many posts they just made?", I think "Okay, sure, but were they a bunch of one liner snapreads? Or were they Pizza posts?" Imagine a JC wall, but twice as flashy. That's a Pizza post. There’s a big WIM difference between flooding the thread with those and, well, not those.

    To be clear, these are walls you actually read, crazy as it sounds. Pizza can make what he wants to happen, happen, and he puts everything into it, displaying dedication and absurd executive function. This serves him especially well when he knows exactly what he wants to happen due to being a wolf.

    That "This serves him especially well when he knows exactly what he wants to happen due to being a wolf" line isn't to say that when he's town he's a loose cannon with not much higher than average reads; Pizza bonks wolf, a lot. When you're getting buried by Pizza, you know you'll just never keep up with his raw pace, so your best alternative is to ignore him, which is hard when he's a third of the thread. It usually doesn't work out.

    Of course, if we're talking about Pizza, we have to mention the Pizza postgame ritual, which should really drive off any "But maybe _____ is more dedicated than Pizza" thoughts. Nope, shush.

    I've talked in plenty of places about how I like to analyze my old games to look for ways to improve. I think it's valuable and helps me a lot. However, I tend to look specifically at:

    • Things I was wrong about
    • Things I was confidently wrong about
    • A trend towards clears I was confidently wrong about
    • Ways for me specifically to be more right in the future about things I was wrong about
    • All these things, but from games where I was town, duh

    When Pizza analyzes a finished game, he doesn't have any of those filters.

    To look for tips for the next game, Pizza rereads the whole game with TMI in order to compile every AI thing that happened in the thread. He does this even if he was a wolf.

    As you can imagine, it's a lot. Especially when you're as wordy as Pizza. Does he have to do it at all? No. Does he have to do it with wolf games, where the effect will never quite be the same because he never got to read the game without TMI? No. Does he have to include motivational speeches to onlookers? No. Does he have to do it with like seven different accounts, with some of the individual alts posting more in postgame than some actual players during the game?! No. Does the whole alt thing actually help? Probably not. Do the alt-associated gimmicks help? Obviously not. Do all these things put together bury any argument for Most Dedicated Player? Duh.

    Pizza GOAT.
    tl;dr - pizza GOAT, second
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    Walrus i for one welcome our new meat lump overlords

    i for one welcome our new meat lump overlords
  11. Automated /sub

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    Manual (we opted to not have modbot send out dummy pm’s...

    (we opted to not have modbot send out dummy pm’s but game has been fixed in modbot in the above thread)

    (the roles pizza sent you manually are still your roles)

    (if you’re confused about anything let us know)

    (glhf)
  13. Pregame#7

    Thread: The Great Nintendo SMASH! 25'er

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    Completed ignore the above rand, it’s not the rand of the...

    ignore the above rand, it’s not the rand of the game and has no bearing on the game

    we’re making a new game thread and redoing it in modbot with blank roles

    the roles you received manually from pizza are still your roles, the game is not being reranded

    this is purely to fix the game in mod bot
  14. #1162

    Thread: Current Staff

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    Sticky: lumi lumi

    lumi lumi
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    Completed ggwp all, grats town

    ggwp all, grats town
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    Sticky: get ninja’d loser

    get ninja’d loser
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    Sticky: second both

    second both
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    i don’t understand why it’s important for you to...

    Personally, I'm proposing this because I would love for players to have more meta on me. It makes it easier for me to be caught based on how I play the game - which in turn incentivizes me to make my town and wolf metas closer.
    i don’t understand why it’s important for you to erase a meta gap in your word choice when nobody except you cares about your word choice enough to use it to read you

    like, why would you post your data to motivate yourself to close your meta gap when the only reason it would be necessary to close it is if you post the data? if you don’t post the data it doesn’t matter in the first place

    You can make the argument that it's an issue on my end that I'm not motivated to improve without a risk to myself, but I don't think that's a fair argument because I feel like that is a significant part of what drives human behavior in the first place - it simply doesn't feel worth it to put in the effort to analyze my Word Choice stats when there's not going to be a tangible benefit.
    if you think people are currently doing meta analyses of your word choice to read you then that should be enough motivation for you to close your word choice gap so you don’t get read easily

    the reason you don’t feel like it’s worth doing right now is because nobody is doing that, so it’s currently a non-issue that you’re worrying about for no reason


    tl;dr - no
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    i refuse

    Quote Originally Posted by lute (#8)
    just play mafia
    i refuse
  20. #255

    Thread: Public Moderation Log

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    Sticky: Upon appeal, this has been downgraded to a...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#248)
    Variance has been banned for 3 months for intentionally getting himself modkilled.
    Upon appeal, this has been downgraded to a sign-up ban for the last month.
  21. #3

    Thread: An Announcement

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    sorry to hear MU hasn’t been a good fit for you ...

    sorry to hear MU hasn’t been a good fit for you

    fwiw you’ve always struck me as a cool, kind and creative person even though i don’t know you well and it seems like you have a lot of interesting ideas for games even if they don’t quite gel with MU’s playerbase

    glad you’re still sticking around
  22. we of course recognize that people usually can’t...

    Quote Originally Posted by TripleHaven (#105)
    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#103)
    I think it's more of a "if the game is constantly too much for you, then stop playing or fix it."

    Like, yeah, sub out if it becomes too much for you. And, yeah, that's not an ideal scenario, though it's preferable you sub out if you do have mental health issues bc of the game. But, if it becomes something that happens somewhat often, then just don't join games you can't make a commitment to in their entirety, or the modteam will take away that ability from you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#103)
    I think it's more of a "if the game is constantly too much for you, then stop playing or fix it."

    Like, yeah, sub out if it becomes too much for you. And, yeah, that's not an ideal scenario, though it's preferable you sub out if you do have mental health issues bc of the game. But, if it becomes something that happens somewhat often, then just don't join games you can't make a commitment to in their entirety, or the modteam will take away that ability from you.
    The problem is that many times it's not possible to predict when you'll need to sub out.
    we of course recognize that people usually can’t predict when they’ll have to sub out

    that said, if someone unpredictably having to sub out becomes a common occurrence in a relatively short time period, it’s not really that unpredictable anymore, and it’s probably good at that point for that person to take a break from playing until they can commit to playing through games with more regularity, not as an indictment of their character but simply because the outcome of people subbing out with regularity isn’t what we want
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    Sticky: nominating prince j for most enjoyable player ...

    nominating prince j for most enjoyable player

    i haven’t actually played with him yet but in every game i’ve seen him in he seems like a joy to play with and his positive attitude really shines
  24. Postgame#2973

    Thread: spooky halloween game

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    Completed yeah of course, glad you enjoyed it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince J (#2971)
    Fantastic work town~! I am jovial we won Great work.

    @ Scum-team you all and understand why y'all chose me N1.

    @Hally I wanted to special shout-out you for throwing this game for the community when there were no games. It was truly awesome to have you do as such and just wanted to say thanks~

    Everyone~! Gg!
    yeah of course, glad you enjoyed it!
  25. Postgame#2969

    Thread: spooky halloween game

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    Completed DVC: https://discord.gg/ax3aucvgYs wolf chat:...

  26. Postgame#2968

    Thread: spooky halloween game

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    Completed ggwp all, congrats town the wolves really got...

    ggwp all, congrats town

    the wolves really got wrecked by that track. would have been interesting to see how the game played out without that but volatile did a great job carrying the rest of the way.

    hope everyone had fun
  27. Day 3#364

    Thread: snurbo

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    Completed gg i was snail

    gg i was snail
  28. #1

    Thread: snurbo

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    Completed snurbo

  29. Postgame#273

    Thread: happy bird-day Aro. get it?

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    Completed easiest dub of my life

    easiest dub of my life
  30. Postgame#265

    Thread: happy bird-day Aro. get it?

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    Completed gg i carried

    gg i carried
  31. Day 2#260

    Thread: happy bird-day Aro. get it?

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    Completed if i’m alive tomorrow i may attempt reads

    if i’m alive tomorrow i may attempt reads
  32. Day 2#247

    Thread: happy bird-day Aro. get it?

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    Completed or lunch me it’s ok idc sorry i just don’t...

    or lunch me it’s ok idc

    sorry i just don’t really feel well enough to try when joat is alive and u guys already killed a zero posting wolf

    it’s basically an SK deduction game in which i am perma PoE and i accept that
  33. Day 2#229

    Thread: happy bird-day Aro. get it?

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    Completed i hardclaim VT just vig me tbh there’s no way...

    i hardclaim VT just vig me tbh

    there’s no way i’m gonna be able to clear myself even if i put in the effort
  34. Day 2#224

    Thread: happy bird-day Aro. get it?

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    Completed can’t believe bill gates did this to me

    Quote Originally Posted by jess (#220)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#214)
    Quote Originally Posted by jess (#204)
    i find hally kind of wolfy tonally but i dont rlly know why
    is it because im currently fighting my bowels not to $%#! my bed (literally)
    damn vaccines are wild
    can’t believe bill gates did this to me
  35. Day 2#214

    Thread: happy bird-day Aro. get it?

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    Completed is it because im currently fighting my bowels not...

    Quote Originally Posted by jess (#204)
    i find hally kind of wolfy tonally but i dont rlly know why
    is it because im currently fighting my bowels not to $%#! my bed (literally)
  36. Day 2#206

    Thread: happy bird-day Aro. get it?

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    Completed im not gonna do anything tbh so joat can just vig...

    im not gonna do anything tbh so joat can just vig me if they didn’t peek me
  37. Day 2#196

    Thread: happy bird-day Aro. get it?

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    Completed cuz my slot zero posted on the day u guys lunched...

    Quote Originally Posted by SheepButBad (#187)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#177)
    i’m assuming that the joat peeked me so the fact that they didn’t claim a red check on me immediately and end the game confirms me down

    ggez
    why would joat check you there
    cuz my slot zero posted on the day u guys lunched a wolf

    (it’s a joke)

    (but i also do think i was the correct peek unironically)
  38. Day 2#188

    Thread: happy bird-day Aro. get it?

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    Completed *town unless i’m the joat in which case my N1...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#177)
    i’m assuming that the joat peeked me so the fact that they didn’t claim a red check on me immediately and end the game confirms me down

    ggez
    *town

    unless i’m the joat in which case my N1 is illwei
  39. Day 2#177

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    Completed i’m assuming that the joat peeked me so the fact...

    i’m assuming that the joat peeked me so the fact that they didn’t claim a red check on me immediately and end the game confirms me down

    ggez
  40. Day 2#169

    Thread: happy bird-day Aro. get it?

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    Completed i haven’t read anything so i’m gonna sheep...

    i haven’t read anything so i’m gonna sheep whoever is nicest to me
  41. Day 2#158

    Thread: happy bird-day Aro. get it?

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    Completed my stomach is currently Doing Things

    my stomach is currently Doing Things
  42. Day 2#146

    Thread: happy bird-day Aro. get it?

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    Completed this was all me

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#138)
    happy bird-day Aro. get it? Day 1 Final Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    4 matt fluffy rabbit (12), Sleepbi (17), Meta Cooler (20), arogame123 (20)
    2 jess Mischief (13), SheepButBad (15)
    1 Mischief jess (16)
    1 SheepButBad Illwei (14)
    2 Not voting matt (0), OUTM (0)


    View Vote History

    matt was eliminated. They were: Mafia Goon.
    Role PM for turbos are back!

    You are Mafia Goon. You win when you overpower the Town and are the only evil faction remaining.

    As Mafia, you have access to the Factional Night Kill Night Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If no Mafia submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the living non-Mafia players.


    Day 1 has ended.

    Day 1 ended at 12:16 AM EST on Tuesday, November 15th, 2022.
    this was all me
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    Sticky: phew, i was getting worried i might actually have...

    phew, i was getting worried i might actually have to do my job

    thank you c4
  44. Postgame#3846

    Thread: Hydra Event 2022: Game 1, Shrek

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    Completed https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/034...

  45. #348

    Thread: Word Match: MU Edition

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    thx for hosting

    thx for hosting
  46. #340

    Thread: Word Match: MU Edition

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    we’re too OP

    we’re too OP
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    Sticky: but yes aro GOAT

    but yes aro GOAT
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    Sticky: he’s already nominated for best rookie people...

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#390)
    Nominating Arogame123 for Best Newcomer

    Found out that he is an actual rookie overall, he started playing Video mafia since just 2021 and his first Forum game was actually here, in champs! The very few games ive seen from him gave me the impression that he has been playing this game for years! With a high wim and capacity to solve and reevaluate slots as town and making the right calls to eliminate threats and prevent his elimination as scum.

    A player to keep an eye on this one!
    he’s already nominated for best rookie

    people eligible for best rookie can’t be nominated for newcomer
  49. #48

    Thread: Light Closed 13er

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    Light /sub

  50. #23

    Thread: Light Closed 13er

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    Light i’m almost convinced to join and i wasn’t even...

    i’m almost convinced to join and i wasn’t even pinged lol
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