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  1. I see what you're getting at now. Okay, yes, to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#162)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#161)
    to me, the word “punishment” very often carries the connotation that the purpose is to achieve retribution for some wrong that’s been done, but that’s not the case here

    i think penalty is a more accurate characterization of it because the purpose of the sign-up bans is really for the community’s sake (i.e. trying to lessen the amount of subs in games), not for retribution

    that said, when people are sign-up banned, i don’t think it would be unreasonable for them to feel like they’ve been punished even though that’s not our intent
    You can say this for pretty much *any* ban though

    In fact if I went and asked, "Hey did you ban these people to achieve retribution?" I think it's safe to say you'd always say no even for the worst permabans, with the rationale being that they were removed for the benefit of the community not to personally spite them or hurt them

    What I'm objecting to here is it feels like there's a clear attempt to sanitize the image of what's going on instead of just being honest that if we can call other bans punishments we can call this one a punishment too, and this attempt to control it as not a 'punishment' feels not honest. Like you guys can call it a penalty if you like (something that dobby also objected to in the post I first quoted, or at least the word penalizing), but colloquially it's entirely normal for people to call this a punishment.
    I see what you're getting at now. Okay, yes, to some extent, it's natural for people to consider any negative consequence to their actions a punishment. However, it is a punishment in the sense that being forced to cool down is a punishment, and not a punishment in the sense that being hit with a switch is a punishment. When someone *feels* that they are being punished, they are saying they feel like they got hit with a switch, when in reality, they are being told to walk it off and cool down.

    Even that analogy fails here, because in a lot of cases, the reaction happened because of an accident.

    It's worth saying that this system was designed deliberately to sanitize it, and people who keep treating it like it's not sanitized are going to keep getting sanitized responses because that's the entire point of the system.
  2. It's a reaction. A risk-reducing reaction, if...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#159)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#158)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#157)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#156)
    That's the difference between "this repercussion fits/is earned by the crime" and "this repercussion is the best for the community". If you end up having this restriction placed on you, it's because you have become a risk factor for other peoples' ability to play fair games. Every player should be more concerned about the good of the games they're playing than their own ego. Missing that and focusing on how the restriction makes you feel is irresponsible if you ask me.
    No, that... really isn't the difference if this is a reply to me. That wasn't even what I was discussing. Ego doesn't come into what I was talking about, unless we're talking about the ego in telling people they don't understand if they dare to call it a punishment.

    I was discussing an attempt to control what word is used to talk about this, and how that itself is a rather tone deaf display that shows that listening is not occurring and there is an unreasonable focus on the image that some want to project with their intent

    Let's lay it plain, do you actually disagree that this is a punishment? If you do, what else is mods putting an unwilling restriction on people for meeting a specific criteria that looks like a rule?
    I would object to characterizing it as a punishment because focusing on the fact that it is a consequence is counter-productive and saying "I don't deserve this (punishment)" misses the point.
    That's not a disagreement that it's a punishment, that's complaining that that is 'focusing' on the wrong thing. This is just a classic 'appeal to consequences', wherein you're complaining that if we call it that it will be counterproductive, which has nothing to do with whether this is a punishment or not

    Defining it properly isn't a focus, it's a clarification since we have someone highly objecting to people daring to call it that.

    Lastly, I said nothing about deserving or not. That is your focus.

    Look, it's impossible to take the mods seriously if they can't be straight and have to play games instead of just laying it straight and defending what it plainly is.

    Anyway, the question is still open. What is it if not a punishment? A consequence imposed by the mods against the will of someone is by any reasonable standards, a punishment. If you go out and say, "The mods prevented me from playing games for 3 months because I subbed out twice" to anyone without a vested interest in trying to maintain a proper 'focus' and avoiding things being 'counter-productive', and just asked for their plain simple opinion, they're gonna call it a punishment.

    I don't know what's so hard about being plain about what it is and defending that on its merits.
    It's a reaction. A risk-reducing reaction, if we're being accurate. Punishment is loaded language for a reaction that the subject will find unpleasant. Whether the reaction is unpleasant or pleasant to the individual who has the restriction is irrelevant to this particular system. Sometimes, it will seem like a punishment to the person, and sometimes, it will seem like something they were going to do anyway. How they view it depends on their ego. Punishment brings the baggage of "harshness" and "leniency", concepts which only exist in a punitive model.

    Many people have tried to argue from what the sub-out deserves instead of what is best for the site or the game. They also continue to speak about this like it's a judgment call on the part of the mods. This policy was designed to remove the human element. It's better not to invite that kind of language.

    The reaction, in the case of this policy, is accidental. It is possible that someone may experience the reactions of this policy due to an unusual number of unpredictable personal emergencies. It could be that they have a recurring issue that they have no control over, such as a health crisis. Regardless, the reaction will be the same (barring special conditions which make further risk irrelevant), because it has nothing to do with a value judgment about the person. It's a risk avoidant model.
  3. I would object to characterizing it as a...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#157)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#156)
    That's the difference between "this repercussion fits/is earned by the crime" and "this repercussion is the best for the community". If you end up having this restriction placed on you, it's because you have become a risk factor for other peoples' ability to play fair games. Every player should be more concerned about the good of the games they're playing than their own ego. Missing that and focusing on how the restriction makes you feel is irresponsible if you ask me.
    No, that... really isn't the difference if this is a reply to me. That wasn't even what I was discussing. Ego doesn't come into what I was talking about, unless we're talking about the ego in telling people they don't understand if they dare to call it a punishment.

    I was discussing an attempt to control what word is used to talk about this, and how that itself is a rather tone deaf display that shows that listening is not occurring and there is an unreasonable focus on the image that some want to project with their intent

    Let's lay it plain, do you actually disagree that this is a punishment? If you do, what else is mods putting an unwilling restriction on people for meeting a specific criteria that looks like a rule?
    I would object to characterizing it as a punishment because focusing on the fact that it is a consequence is counter-productive and saying "I don't deserve this (punishment)" misses the point.
  4. That's the difference between "this repercussion...

    That's the difference between "this repercussion fits/is earned by the crime" and "this repercussion is the best for the community". If you end up having this restriction placed on you, it's because you have become a risk factor for other peoples' ability to play fair games. Every player should be more concerned about the good of the games they're playing than their own ego. Missing that and focusing on how the restriction makes you feel is irresponsible if you ask me.
  5. Reads like we need people who have wanted to sub...

    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#148)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#146)
    just gonna bump this in case anyone wants to weigh in

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#132)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arete (#129)
    Serious question: in the 4-5 months since the new policy was introduced, have there in fact been any instances of people being banned for flaking where the ban was unreasonable, or for that matter remotely ambiguous?

    Specifically only curious about bans, not first-offense-warnings, since 'someone gets falsely banned' seems much worse than 'someone gets a message from the mods telling them not to sub out again even though their first sub was due to an emergency'
    i’m interested in this, yeah

    also interested to know if since the policy has been implemented, people have felt like they couldn’t sub out due to the policy or if people haven’t really cared about it or just generally how the player base has responded to it beyond “i just got this warning and i’m mad about it”

    we’ve had this policy for several months now, so while it’s still kinda early to have a complete picture of its impact, i think the conversation can begin to shift to assessing what the practical effects of it have been rather than going in circles retreading the same ground we’ve been debating for almost a year now
    would like to keep this thread more focused on its actual purpose
    idk do yall have stats u wanna share or
    Reads like we need people who have wanted to sub out but chose not to to express their feelings to me.
  6. No matter how high you raise the minimum activity...

    No matter how high you raise the minimum activity requirement, you'll end up with people riding that line. You have to make the line a level where riding it is "good enough" to get a participation grade. If you think the minimum is too low to achieve its goal, raising it is a different topic, which can have merit.
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    The point behind banning it is that it can seem...

    Quote Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk (#34)
    I think an appropriate tl;dr is that I think it's unfair for people to hold the dichotomy of "this isn't going to have that many benefits" and "it should stay banned" as isn't the whole point behind banning it because it's too strong?

    Pretty much, I think that it has some mild benefits and even milder drawbacks; I don't really see any reason it should be banned.

    (And again, it's even $%#!ing voluntary.)
    The point behind banning it is that it can seem strong and be argued to be strong.

    At the end of the day, we don't want this kind of "evidence" to be a factor in games. We made this tool to help a player improve their own game. It is not meant to help others play against them.
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    Rejected I decided against this feature because it would...

    I decided against this feature because it would introduce more bugs. A "last" button is not doable either, because each ISO is unique and session-specific (that's why you can't send the links to other people).
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    Resolved There is no way to avoid the list if you want to...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#1)
    2 big ones

    1. There's no easy intuitive way to create any signup thread or a thread in Other Games without generating the list automatically, unless I'm missing something (current workaround, I suppose, is to not use the sign-up prefix in the dropdown and to manually call the thread a signup thread, but the problem in the Other Games subforum persists)


    2. there's no way to easily disable the auto-confirm feature, which I didn't intend to use and disrupted my signup in this post and the post below in a turbo signup: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...=1#post6433430
    There is no way to avoid the list if you want to use the sign up feature. If you want to remove the sign up, you can do so from the sign up list on the forum index.

    You can now actually disable the confirm feature by setting the confirm deadlines to 0.
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    Completed The solution to this is to not use the Rich...

    Quote Originally Posted by marmot (#8101)
    Quote Originally Posted by Conq (#8095)
    I really almost accidentally voted for "4471," by mixing up vote tags and postnum tags, when I tried to post my thought process at start of day. That would have been a real sad way to end champs.
    Fortunately it wouldn't have counted if an actual player's name wasn't in the tags.

    (I'm suddenly very concerned if you quote a post that has a heart emoji in it and a vote, the quote tags will break and place a vote on accident

    here's a possible bug for the mods @Makaze)
    The solution to this is to not use the Rich Editor.

    HTH
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    Sticky: If the other games are manual, then the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#43)
    The number of games I played at MU registered in the DB is almost 120 but they appear to be 99 in the top summary from a while.
    Can this be fixed?
    If the other games are manual, then the alignments and win/loss need to be reviewed and updated, then report back to me and I can finalize them properly.
  12. Postgame#593

    Thread: Anonymous All Any Turbo

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    Completed Fixed. Ezradekezra ThePretender

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePretender (#579)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#575)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#558)
    oh i completely forgot about the bpv

    @Makaze sorry for spam pings but the desperado thing i mentioned wasn't an error

    2 poisons definitely was tho
    Explain in detail please.
    my slot received an item vend from an inventor as a poisoner shot. n1

    I select slot A initially then change to slot B

    Both slot A and B are poisoned
    Fixed.

    @Ezradekezra @ThePretender
  13. Postgame#575

    Thread: Anonymous All Any Turbo

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    Completed Explain in detail please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#558)
    oh i completely forgot about the bpv

    @Makaze sorry for spam pings but the desperado thing i mentioned wasn't an error

    2 poisons definitely was tho
    Explain in detail please.
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    Rejected This is a default feature of vBulletin and I...

    This is a default feature of vBulletin and I don't intend to service it at this time.
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    Rejected No. People can edit quotes. We can't do anything...

    No. People can edit quotes. We can't do anything that would either compromise that capacity or cause unequal information.
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    I've always known Loud to announce the action in...

    I've always known Loud to announce the action in the game thread, revealing that the role exists but not necessarily who did it.

    It's an IC with town roles, the opposite with scum roles, and just role confirming with ambiguous roles.
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    I can do Loud all the time if another host wants...

    I can do Loud all the time if another host wants it. I'm not a fan of chance-based mechanics.

    Reflexive is doable, but strange and seems unlikely to see much use.
  18. Hally is right. The feature had to be disabled to...

    Hally is right. The feature had to be disabled to save the database.
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    Database: View Stats by Game Type

    You can now view a player's stats for a specific game type or mechanic.

    Go to the player's database profile and enter a Mechanic search term. The player's stats at the top of the page will only include the game types you entered.

    Some links to common searches have been added at the top of the search form. You can copy those links to share your specific stats. If you have a sub type you want to add to the common searches, let me know.



  20. Postgame#2657

    Thread: 13er Random Roles Automated.

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    Completed Fixed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Limestone (#2656)
    and it said that night2/Day 3, not sure about earlier
    Fixed.
  21. Postgame#2654

    Thread: 13er Random Roles Automated.

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    Completed Limestone where did it say this and when

    Quote Originally Posted by Limestone (#2560)
    oh yeah might want to mention to makaze

    my 2 shot was only for ninja and after using it night1 I still had 2 shots or at least it said still 2 shots remaining

    we know the ninja went through cause Transcend tracked me so it shouldn't have said 2 uses left
    @Limestone where did it say this and when
  22. #2

    Thread: Discord Integration

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    Rejected This is not a priority at this time.

    This is not a priority at this time.
  23. Postgame#356

    Thread: turbocity zone act 2: turning red

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    Completed There have not been any unusual server loads and...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiveran (#355)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#354)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiveran (#314)
    @Makaze

    I suppose now is as good a time as any

    I was having a weird account-related issue where this game thread took forever to load on the account I'm playing on (Ratatwanged Panda), but just fine on this one. Might have something to do with Infinite Scroll.

    EDIT: Happening with the dead thread too.
    Infinite scroll is probably to blame, aye.

    If it's not actually working for you, maybe stop using it?
    If I use it when it's working, I suck slightly less at turbos. But okay :/
    There have not been any unusual server loads and there is nothing going wrong on a coding level. I can't fix a connection problem if there's no evidence it's on my end.
  24. Postgame#354

    Thread: turbocity zone act 2: turning red

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    Completed Infinite scroll is probably to blame, aye. If...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiveran (#314)
    @Makaze

    I suppose now is as good a time as any

    I was having a weird account-related issue where this game thread took forever to load on the account I'm playing on (Ratatwanged Panda), but just fine on this one. Might have something to do with Infinite Scroll.

    EDIT: Happening with the dead thread too.
    Infinite scroll is probably to blame, aye.

    If it's not actually working for you, maybe stop using it?
  25. Postgame#2506

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed i did not account for not having eyes

    Quote Originally Posted by Zugzwang (#2503)
    ftr, I am actually new to the site, and I genuinely did not know how to clear multiquotes
    i did not account for not having eyes
  26. Postgame#2502

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed I knew sOH was a wolf from the instant they shot...

    I knew sOH was a wolf from the instant they shot blade but I was blinded by my Twice tunnel.

    We could have won if I made the right shot. Sorry team.
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    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#9)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#8)
    Added:

    Firefighter
    Suicide Bomber
    Healer
    Neapolitan
    Vanilla Cop
    Day Desperado
    Night Desperado

    Framer was already there.
    i love you makdaddy

    are these all intended to be added to JOATs as well (not objecting to them, just not sure)
    Yes.
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    Added: Firefighter Suicide Bomber Healer...

    Added:

    Firefighter
    Suicide Bomber
    Healer
    Neapolitan
    Vanilla Cop
    Day Desperado
    Night Desperado

    Framer was already there.
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    Done. Thanks for the report!

    Done. Thanks for the report!
  30. Day 2#2161

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed sOH is just scum lol

    sOH is just scum lol
  31. Day 2#2156

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed they are compulsive so if they don't select...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thinking (#2154)
    If they didn't select someone it would default to kotze, right?
    they are compulsive so if they don't select anyone it will Rand

    assuming it's a real claim
  32. Day 2#2148

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed Who wants to be third vote on Zug kotze ...

    Who wants to be third vote on Zug

    @kotze
    @sOHiJK
    @Thinking
    @West
  33. Day 2#2147

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed Stay where you are Kuti

    Stay where you are Kuti
  34. Day 2#2146

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed We want Zug at 3 and someone else in Poe at 2 for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#2144)
    Should I vote twice or someone else? I don't fully grasp the mech of how the voting set up should be for this thing
    We want Zug at 3 and someone else in Poe at 2 for eod

    I want that second person to be twice but kotze is mechanically a good pick
  35. Day 2#2141

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed that's a good mechanical argument tbh I...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thinking (#2140)
    Quote Originally Posted by wiggles1993 (#2138)
    There's 0 chance town has 2 day vigs and mafia have none so if you believe kuti this is where to go, which is why the suicide bomb should be on sohijk in an ideal world
    If sOH is a mafia even cycle day vig they present no additional threat to us than a mafia goon right now.
    that's a good mechanical argument tbh

    I rescind my point
  36. Day 2#2134

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed it's more or a mechanically bad reason to kill...

    Quote Originally Posted by wiggles1993 (#2133)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#2132)
    Do you have any particular reason to suspect kotze other than they're in the poe
    No, what's the mechanically good reason to kill twice?
    it's more or a mechanically bad reason to kill kotze

    because they are flaking

    sOH is a fine choice
  37. Day 2#2132

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed Do you have any particular reason to suspect...

    Do you have any particular reason to suspect kotze other than they're in the poe
  38. Day 2#2131

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed This is mechanically bad IMO

    Quote Originally Posted by wiggles1993 (#2130)
    ##Vote kotze
    This is mechanically bad IMO
  39. Day 2#2129

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed West can you vote Twice with me if you like this...

    @West can you vote Twice with me if you like this strategy
  40. Day 2#2122

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed It should go off ~1 minute to EOD.

    It should go off ~1 minute to EOD.
  41. Day 2#2118

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed Vote for Zug at 3, with a scum at 2. If Zug is...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#2117)
    Quote Originally Posted by Thinking (#2115)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#2111)
    What do we want to do if Zug doesn't show?

    @kotze
    @Kuti plz
    @Makaze
    @sOHiJK
    @Thinking
    @Twice Shrunk
    @West
    @wiggles1993
    @Zugzwang
    If they claimed compulsive, we can make them top wagon and then have scum behind them
    Wdym
    Vote for Zug at 3, with a scum at 2.

    If Zug is lying, they die. If not, and they don't show, then someone gets bombed at random. Unless it's exactly the person at 2 votes, then that person gets eliminated because they are the new highest wagon.
  42. Day 2#2116

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed You are a genius. I'm staying on Twice then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thinking (#2115)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#2111)
    What do we want to do if Zug doesn't show?

    @kotze
    @Kuti plz
    @Makaze
    @sOHiJK
    @Thinking
    @Twice Shrunk
    @West
    @wiggles1993
    @Zugzwang
    If they claimed compulsive, we can make them top wagon and then have scum behind them
    You are a genius.

    I'm staying on Twice then.
  43. Day 2#2113

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed Glad we agree

    Glad we agree
  44. Day 2#2111

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed What do we want to do if Zug doesn't show? ...

    What do we want to do if Zug doesn't show?

    @kotze
    @Kuti plz
    @Makaze
    @sOHiJK
    @Thinking
    @Twice Shrunk
    @West
    @wiggles1993
    @Zugzwang
  45. Day 2#2105

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed Correct. Zug not bombing yet is nagl We...

    Quote Originally Posted by wiggles1993 (#2104)
    Just fyi, if kotze is town, mafia will be able to hammer any town with a single town vote on them
    Correct.

    Zug not bombing yet is nagl

    We always go there by EOD with no bomb.

    It could be they are scum bomber and are waiting for a wagon on a town to form or are just not a bomber.
  46. Day 2#2103

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed Zugzwang 7 minutes!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zugzwang (#1233)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#823)
    @Zugzwang

    Are you hardclaiming d2 compulsive suicide bomber in such a way that if you rescind we should consider you scum?

    If so, give us a time at least 2 hours before EOD d2 at which you promise to use your suicide bomb. If you refuse to make such a promise, or miss your deadline, you will be eliminated with great prejudice.
    Yes I'm hardclaiming it. I'll bomb at 2 pm EST Saturday, or earlier.

    Anyway, do you use the forums on mobile or PC?
    @Zugzwang

    7 minutes!
  47. Day 2#2095

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed I believe her claim and not shooting is...

    I believe her claim and not shooting is mechanically bad as both alignments. Holstering there only comes from town even if it's bad mechanically speaking.
  48. Day 2#2094

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    Completed Word salad lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#2093)
    Quote Originally Posted by Thinking (#2085)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#2070)
    @West

    Please don't vote the mechanically cleared player when mafia have enough votes to maj.
    I'm slightly concerned, because you seemed sure that Twice was scum before this, hence mafia wouldn't be sble to maj.
    I'm arguing from West's POV. I believe they couldn't mak and they'd want to wait go Zug anyway
    Word salad lol
  49. Day 2#2093

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

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    Completed I'm arguing from West's POV. I believe they...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thinking (#2085)
    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#2070)
    @West

    Please don't vote the mechanically cleared player when mafia have enough votes to maj.
    I'm slightly concerned, because you seemed sure that Twice was scum before this, hence mafia wouldn't be sble to maj.
    I'm arguing from West's POV. I believe they couldn't mak and they'd want to wait go Zug anyway
  50. Day 2#2091

    Thread: silly high KP game thread

    by Makaze
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    Completed oh wait th3 blade shot was today and was sOH ...

    oh wait th3 blade shot was today and was sOH

    But she did claim odd day vig not night vig
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