Type: Posts; User: El-ahrairah
But that doesn't mean I'm not going to do whatever I can to make it hard for town to win and give them a challenge. That's why we play, isn't it? For the challenge of solving a puzzle, testing ourselves against an unknown foe, and when scum, the challenge of survival against an uninformed majority trying their best to slip a noose around you neck.
And for trying my best despite being gutted that I randed scum after randing town the first time Jaleb started the game, I make no apologies.
Like I said before, it's a whole lotta luck involved.
And like Jaleb said, if Grant had actually used his Commute ability on N1, I wouldn't have been able to take his identity and I would have been doooooomed.
Coincidentally, this was also how Tater knew that myc visited me on N1. We saw his prayer, and the fact that he visited me. Unfortunately she TMI-slipped the knowledge and got herself lynched.
*shakes fist at Tater*
When I woke up and saw a PM saying I'd died, I had a minor panic attack and thought you'd lynched me instead of gnome after all.
I maintain what I've said in the past and continue to believe; that role madness games aren't so much about playing mafia and hunting scum, but are more about getting lucky with your actions - as I did on my first night, when apparently every playing with an action (near enough) visited me, but the body I stole (Grant) was perfect for hiding in. If it hadn't been for that (and the fact that we lynched Marv on D1, because he was ALWAYS shooting me that night) it would've been a very different game.
Some solid individual town performances, but in the end it was the lack of cohesion and teamwork that was the village's undoing (us getting lucky with some roleblock choices also helped). Once the vocal and hard-cleared players were out of the way, it was much easier to take thread control. And in this case, mechanics and flavour actually interfered with the town hunt for scum. I think if this had been a mountainous game, I would've been dead within the first 3 days.
Props to Michelle for figuring out me/Mama as the scum team. Sadly for town, it came too late. I would've killed Michelle much earlier, because she's a frightening hunter during end game, but I knew her role wasn't much of a threat to us once it had already outted the knowledge of a disguiser, 4 scum and no 3p.
Props also to MamaTort, who, as first-time scum and first time on MU, absolutely nailed it. Once she has a couple more scum games under her belt, she's going to be terrifying
It was fun playing with you all, and thanks to Jaleb for hosting such an interesting game. I look forward to watching the series some day, as I didn't even know this was a thing until now.
Wow, game is dead. Time to do a thing.
El Takes The Bull By The Horns
We officially Do Not Like this game. It was fun for about 12 hours today, when we had some info gained from an ACTUAL red flip to work with, but it's getting to that Not Fun stage again.
We're going to put a vote down.
And then we're going to confess to something.
Then we're going to list the actions we think Towncats should take tomorrow.
But first, a kittermission.
First, our vote
##Vote Garden Gnome
Why? Because we think Gnome rat-slipped hard today. Yesterday she claimed a protective role with a series of increasingly powerful protective abilities, yet when Wisdom most needed protection, Gnome's role suddenly changed into a kill ability that defies the setup (because according to what we know from the mechanics, rat factional kills are not assigned. The power she claims to have can simply NOT work).
"But Gnome got publically green-checked!"
Yes. But as we've seen, a Godfather/Disguiser role is in play. And while we've never seen one used, we believe they exist purely to make Alignment Cops more unreliable. We have yet to hear anyone claim alignment cop, and none have flipped, so it's likely that role exists in this game purely to throw off other types of investigation, such as Rolecop and the Wish mechanic. The fact that she also hasn't come back to give her reads tells us she knows her claim has been outted as fake and has given up.
"So, what now?"
Today we vote Gnome. We're going to lay out what you should do tomorrow.
"Why lay it out?"
Because... ahem hem...
WE HAVE ALREADY USED OUR COMMUTE ABILITY ON A PREVIOUS NIGHT
That's right. One N3, after Wisdom's claim to have lost her Rolecop abilities, we figured we ourselves would make the next juiciest target, so we commuted. Big, juicy, unprotected NK right here. Come get us, ratsies!
Here's the rest of my reads. I'm not saying this is what you 100% should do tomorrow. But it's what I would do (and WILL do, should rats decide to NOT call my bluff (lolrats)).
DO NOT LYNCH
Soneji. If I'm right, then Percy lied about his actions and Roleblocked Soneji so that his prayer from the dead was interfered with. We already know that Soneji CAN hear the prayers of the dead - myc/Wisdom confirmed this for us. What use is it rats to have a role like that? We can imagine it is of little or no use. But a town role? It might allow Soneji to discern and build a towncat core. Not only is his role confirmed by myc, but if I'm right then there is no world in which Soneji/Percy are ever scum together.
Michelle. I've been on-and-off her all game, but the towncat read that developed over the last day or two has only strengthened today. Why? Not just an increase in activity, WIM and overall solviness, but the fact that she FoS'd Mamatort late today. We see little or no reason for a rat to backtrack on a former towncat read and suggest they be re-evaluated. It's rocking the boat in a way that makes little or no sense coming from a rat. Going against some of her strongest towncat reads on this matter (myself, Soneji) in fact makes her look more dubious, which again, we don't think a rat would want to do in this position. Rats would want an easy mislynch, not to bury their own 4 days' worth of reads.
Mamatort. Soneji put this better than I could, but her posts have been consistently self-conscious town rather than self-conscious rat. Where the rest of us cling to meta of each other, Mamatort clings to the lore/flavour of the setup because she has no meta. It feels like she's trying to use that to guide her way through the game. She would not need to cling to this if she had ratmates to coach her. She feels like she's constantly grasping at straws, and that's a feeling we can understand.
Percy. If he's scum, this would not be the first time he's fooled us. Or, rather, that we've allowed ourselves to be fooled by not being more critical of him. The first couple of days of his play were very much in towncat!Percy meta, but since then his contributions have dropped drastically and there have been discrepancies in the things he says (pointed out previously by Soneji) that he has not been adequately able to answer (or even tried to address). As well, given Percy's claim that he roleblocked Soneji yet Soneji still received a prayer on that Night, is enough to make us doubt the role and actions he has claimed. Could Soneji be lying about receiving a prayer? Technically possible, we guess, but given that his role is confirmed by myc, this makes him very likely towncat, and towncats have no reason to lie.
catgode. Little surprise he is on this list. For a number of days, he towncat-read us, but we still don't know why. Most people who've never played with us before consider us pretty scummy (which a number of people did D1). His flip on us came abruptly and in a way that does not feel natural. Today, a number of things ping us as off. First, the insistence that he check with the host that the factional kill was not assigned for the whole game, and not just N1 - a strong desire to defend Gnome's new kill ability claim. Second, the way he pushes Mamatort off of Michelle's suspicion - a basic me-too of her post. AP barely mentions catgode, the most notable being to express the opinion that he could not be the story writer. And now he demonstrates a depth of flavour knowledge which he claims to be new, but we very much doubt. We see no reason for towncats to hide their knowledge of flavour.
So, that's where we are now. Gnome, Percy, Catgode. That is our solve. We are lynching Gnome today, for the claim turned out to be impossible, and for copying Wisdom's "I misunderstood my role" excuse (because hell, it worked for Wisdom, so why not give it a try?).
See you in deadchat, towncats.
And we have the biggest tinfoil hat collection you've ever seen.
Somebody please pressure Gnome for the reads we asked her for, and Percy for answers to the questions we asked him.
We have to go out and do some RCL (Real Cat Life) stuff now. Back about 10pm our time (that's in about 5 hours). Again, we will put our vote down at or around 11pm regardless of whether anyone else has voted, as it is bed time for us after that.
All we wanted to know was whether Marv's character might have an equal/opposite rat-aligned counterpart that is inkeeping with the flavour.
We have to go into a meeting with our manager now, BBS.
Going on our lunch break, back in an hour.
Would Wisdom have received any results from her Rolecop if she was NK'd? We thought that kills went ahead of Investigates in the order of resolving night actions. Or maybe she forgot to submit one?
In hindsight it sounds like an attempt to shade crazee by saying he wasn't part of the mob due to being passed out.
Also we just recalled that the amount of kill power possessed in this game does not match the claims given, so someone is definitely lying.
IF Percy is indeed a rat JoAT with a 1-shot role block, and he did Roleblock Wisdom on N2 isntead of Tater, then we can probably surmise it is one of the other rats who was responsible for the additional kills on N1 and N2. Perhaps Marv's ratty twin - a 2-shot ratvig? Would like to hear from @MamaTort on whether there is such a thing inkeeping with flavour, based on Marv's character.
We recall catgode saying that he was roleblocked on N3, and he does appear in the N2 story along with everyone else.
Michelle isn't your action also passive? Does it state anything on your role card about blocks?
Angrypotato - rat
catgode - ???
crazeeflapjack - towncat
El-ahrairah - ???
Garden Gnome - ???
Grant - ??? probably towncat ???
Gypsum - towncat
Kajot - towncat
MamaTort - ???
Marluxion - towncat
Michelle - ???
myc - towncat
PepperoniLover - towncat
Percy - ???
remember - towncat
Soneji - ???
Wisdom - towncat
We are now not sure the stories serve any purpose at all. In this N1 story, Wisdom was not mentioned. Yet Wisdom claimed to have been roleblocked on N2. In line with Tater's Role PM, this should not have been possible
How can this be possible? Unless we have a towncats roleblocker who has lied about their power, or scum had a secondary roleblocker function... perhaps a 1-shot?