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  1. #755

    Thread: Hydra Event 2021!

    by Guillotina
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    Sticky: Confirm with slank cover

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#712)
    It's time for game 5 and game 6 check-ins!!!!! Even if you've posted in this thread already, please check in again so that we can confirm you're still available to play!!

    If you want to do a bio, pm it to me over MU or discord - MU pm guaranteed to preserve formatting! Bio template is here:


    NATIONALITY: [...]
    STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): [...]
    HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: [...]


    BIO:
    [Insert whatever information or fun facts that you wish here. Talk about your hydra origin story, mafia-related accolades, impressive stats, fun anecdotes, favorite role to play, strengths and weaknesses, your approach to the game, other players' quotes about you, or take out the piss on the whole thing and make some jokes. The ball is entirely in your court, this will be how you present yourself to your fellow hydras.]


    If you are staypositivefriend or Happy, please make your hydra account soon!!!


    Hydra 2021 Game 5

    Game Start: Monday 11/29 at 7 PM ET
    Hosted by: TBA
    # of hydras: 13
    Setup: D6
    Phase Length: 48/24
    Deadline: 7 PM ET

    Hydra Name
    Head 1
    Head 2
    Community
    @alexanne @alexa @Anne EpicMafia
    @Applebees @Apogee @Bunnelby Mafia Universe
    @Double WIM @Michelle @Wisdom Mafia Universe
    @lIll @Illwei @Lag The Letter L
    @Kyukon @Mistyx @Rokon Mafia Universe
    @La Raskatt @hollowkatt @Raskolnikov CFC
    @No Anime @Visorslash @Ephemeral Not Japan
    @Rats In A Metal Bucket @Guillotina @Venti Mafia Universe
    @stayhappyfriend @staypositivefriend @Happy Epicmafia
    @TheKpopTyranno @TheGoldenTyranno @Ace Marvel CFC
    @NPC @URISTTHEDEVASTATOR @STARTHEVANQUISHER Mafia451
    @WIMbot @Macdougall @Alison The Syndicate
    @Wolf in cutegirl clothing @Ephemera @Esooa ???

    Hydra 2021 Game 6

    Game Start: Monday 11/29 at 9 PM ET
    Hosted by: TBA
    # of hydras: 13
    Setup: Low-Powered Open 13er
    Phase Length: 72/24
    Deadline: 9 PM ET

    Hydra Name
    Head 1
    Head 2
    Community
    @E MO TION @Schiavetto @OM Room Pokemon Showdown
    @Frank Slanka @Fatmo @NANOOKTHECONQUEROR Mafia Universe
    @Gellenduo @Rose Disco @tessepia Mafia Universe
    @Hail_Hydra @KingofDominaria @JayDreven No Goblins Allowed
    @Ichihime @Chelsea @Dunnstral Mafiascum
    @im retired @Ampharos @Disquieted Mafia Universe
    @MacDouglag @Macdougall @Lag Mafia Universe
    @Millium & Altina @Prophylaxis @Wisp MtG Salvation
    @Okapicat @Cape90 @snazzy mafia.gg
    @Silver Fulminate @Silvercrys3467 @c4e5g3d5 Season 8 Game 5
    @sunya @joqiza @Gira Epicmafia
    @The Unhackables @Insaner @yuiop Mafia Maniac
    @Thomas Basil Haroldsson @Boquise @Inawordyes Mafia Maniac



    On another note, game 7 only has 3-4 open slots left, so it's looking like there's a good chance it will be able to run!!! For anyone who still wants to hydra, this may be your last chance to sign up for a normal hydra game this season; sign up while you still can!!!!!
    Confirm with slank cover
  2. Experimental I cannot longer help Hydreigon with modbot duties...

    I cannot longer help Hydreigon with modbot duties here, sorry, im forced to step down.

    I got a new job during those hours
  3. #672

    Thread: Hydra Event 2021!

    by Guillotina
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    Sticky: Confirming for G4 with MissSparkle$

    Confirming for G4 with @MissSparkle$
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    Quote Originally Posted by ladd (#482)
    nominate c4 for best village performance (small game) for Poisoner 21er

    He crushed it, super super on point reads. perfect village core d1, almost exclusively pushed wolves all game and more importantly he was instrumental d1 on building the PoE that produced 5/6 wolves lunches in the next days. All while being an obvious villager. He also incredibly managed to do all this while supporting a suboptimal chess opening
    Second
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    Completed I told you illwei TMIed :lmfao: I knew you...

    I told you illwei TMIed

    I knew you were Katze before I found out you were, gee I'm good.

    I lose yet another game where town does not believe me, now I understand the ever growing numbers of slankers, because why even try.
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    Completed What are you talking about? Your teammates...

    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#4905)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alison (#4904)
    If you said what your night action was 15 minutes into the night phase then surely you could have submitted it in the night action chat

    I don't get why your schedule is an impediment here, clearly you had sufficient time to submit it

    Or you could have assigned a teammate to submit it for you, I'm sure Guillo would allow that

    He is fair and applies the same rules to everyone regardless of alignment, I don't see how you can accuse him of wanting one side to win
    Night action chat didn't exist at the time
    What are you talking about? Your teammates submitted actions. You also had your own private channel in the Game server.

    Here is proof



    It was created a day before the game started.
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    Completed I told you to read the OP, that's it. You said...

    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#4897)
    i honestly dont care. i said what i was doing 15 min into the night phase and my action got ignored. i work as a driver so i literally cannot use my phone while working. i post about my actions 7 minutes after night action closed because of timezones.

    i wasnt allowed to play the game and i was just going to afk if i played so rather than ruin the game i decided to sub out. rather simple really.

    ive treated guillo with nothing but respect since ive met him, and i didnt recieve it back. if that makes me a baby so be it.
    I told you to read the OP, that's it.

    You said ok the bye, I said, ok.

    How did i disrespect you?

    No, you disrespected me and your teammates by rage quitting after not being able to use a card, after you threaten me to quit! LOL The great thing about it is that you posted it in the mafia chat and everyone in the mafia team saw it.

    You work and have a tight schedule, ok then too bad maybe next night, that is how an adult would have handled it, but you, you didn't think it twice abandoning your team, pretty much vanillaiing them because you didn't get it your way.

    I give no preferential treatment to anyone and other players may testify that when they go over past their deadline and try to submit an action, I reject it.
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    Completed POPULAR VOTE MPV Alison

    POPULAR VOTE MPV

    Alison
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    Completed HOST MVP PICK LAG

    HOST MVP PICK

    LAG
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    Completed Stormslyde will never be allowed to play Deck...

    Quote Originally Posted by Alison (#4861)
    I would like to call out stormslyde for being a baby and subbing out because he made the wrong night action. He literally admitted to subbing out because the game wasn't going well for him and so he forces me to play in his position instead. He screwed over his own team because he had amazing cards and they were denied access to them.
    Stormslyde will never be allowed to play Deck Mafia again.

    He had 22 hours to submit his action, when i posted that the actions were locked he replied right away to complain and gave me an ultimatum. “Let me use my card or i quit”. I told him to read the OP, then he quit and virtually vanillaizing his team.
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    Completed HOLLOWKATT HAS BEEN RESURRECTED

    HOLLOWKATT HAS BEEN RESURRECTED
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    Completed Night 6 Results: SETT AND SUPER DIED Role PM...

    Night 6 Results: SETT AND SUPER DIED

    Role PM for Deck Mafia #006: Rise of the 3Ps

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    You are Pig, Town Vanilla. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Role PM for Deck Mafia #006: Rise of the 3Ps

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    You are Wolf, Town Vanilla. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
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    Completed Hydreigon25 died to poison DoctorZeus was...

    Hydreigon25 died to poison

    DoctorZeus was Eliminated

    Role PM for Deck Mafia #006: Rise of the 3Ps

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    You are Panther, Town Vanilla. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.




    Role PM for Deck Mafia #006: Rise of the 3Ps

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    You are Stingray, Town Vanilla. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
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    Completed HYDREIGON25 HAS BEEN POISONED The player will...

    HYDREIGON25 HAS BEEN POISONED

    The player will die at the end of the day unless healed.
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    Completed NIGHT 5 RESULTS: LAG DIED! Role PM for Deck...

    NIGHT 5 RESULTS: LAG DIED!

    Role PM for Deck Mafia #006: Rise of the 3Ps


    You are Machia, Town. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
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    Completed Role PM for Deck Mafia #006: Rise of the 3Ps ...

    Role PM for Deck Mafia #006: Rise of the 3Ps

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    You are Chipmunk, Town Vanilla. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    NIGHT 5 BEGINS NOW

    Tonight it will be a short night!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#469)
    been meaning to nominate @staypositivefriend for best overall for a while and it seems only fitting to do it after her amazing wolf performance in the vig 16/8 game

    incredible villager, incredible wolf, great team player, super enjoyable to play with, very gay

    really everything you could want in a player
    Second
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    Completed https://youtu.be/wUDkZAb1w3M Score This Song...

    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Gnome (#4477)
    [IMG][/IMG]


    Score This Song From 1 to 10
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    Completed SHOWDOWN IS NO LONGER IN PLAY It was demo test...

    SHOWDOWN IS NO LONGER IN PLAY

    It was demo test just for Day 4.
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    Completed The Unknown force has lost grasp of the Hammer ...

    The Unknown force has lost grasp of the Hammer

    Majority will end the day early
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    Completed Night 4 Results No One Died

    Night 4 Results

    No One Died
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    Completed Role PM for Deck Mafia #006: Rise of the 3Ps ...

    Role PM for Deck Mafia #006: Rise of the 3Ps

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    You are Crocodile, Town Vanilla. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
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    Completed Action failed. the target has no cards to ditch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#4340)
    Action failed. the target has no cards to ditch.
  24. Experimental I'll be helping Hydreigon with modbot operations....

    I'll be helping Hydreigon with modbot operations.

    For rule violations, please use the report button to bring it to a forum moderator attention.

    For mechanical questions and set up, please refer to Hydreigon as he is the main host.
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    Completed Grant died in the Showdown! Role PM for Deck...

    Grant died in the Showdown!

    Role PM for Deck Mafia #006: Rise of the 3Ps

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    You are Owl, Town Vanilla. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
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    Completed Correction

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#4198)
    Now you know why it is a demo! I havent tested this until now!

    In order to reset the votecount, the number of the day has to be changed.

    There are 9 players available to vote. 5 players are needed to kill either Chelsea or Grant before the deadline. When this happens the thread will be locked temporarily while i process the kill.
    Correction
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    Completed Now you know why it is a demo! I havent tested...

    Now you know why it is a demo! I havent tested this until now!

    In order to reset the votecount, the number of the day has to be changed.

    There are 9 players available to vote. 5 players are needed to kill either Chelsea or Grant before the deadline. When this happens the thread will be locked temporarily while i process the kill.
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    Completed CONFIRMED! Chelsea Grant Please unvote,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant (#4184)
    Showdown: Chelsea @Guillotina
    CONFIRMED!

    @Chelsea
    @Grant

    Please unvote, you are prohibited from voting again until the showdown ends.


    Everyone else

    You have until 2 hours before EoD to decide the fate of one of these two.

    You are not allowed to vote for anyone else while the showdown is on.
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    Completed This is a demo from “Game Mechanics Sets”...

    This is a demo from “Game Mechanics Sets” Expansion!

    At any time during the day if a duel has not already started or taken place, a player may choose to initiate a showdown with another player in the game by declaring Showdown: playername followed by the host tag. When a duel is started between two players, their voting ability is removed, and the remaining players can only vote between the duelists. When a majority of the non-duelists have voted for a player, that player is killed and the day continues as normal, with all players voting for a yeet.

    The deadline to initiate a showndown is 12 hours from now, once started the non-duelists have until two hours before end of day to decide the kill. If no kill is decided then a random player from the duelists will be killed.

    Initiating a Showdown is optional and any player that is alive may do so, other day actions are not possible including the yeet while a showdown is running.

    If the host is AFK, the showdown will start as soon as they confirm it, not before.
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    Completed At least we will know that at least one of you is...

    At least we will know that at least one of you is not pocketing me if Mewtini flips wolf, based on this interaction.

    Also if Mewtini flips town, SmtWtfs is put on death row first from that PoE group or at least we try to force her to towntell, then Hammer.

    If Mewtini flips wolf and DoctorZeus is the tracker, i would ask him to track me even though it would be a waste of an action because im town, but it would clear DZ's doubts. I know this is a selfish request though, optimally, you track a player in the PoE and I'd suggest SMT or a spicy track on illwei.
    And if you are the tracker and die then I'm sorry mate that I pushed you.

    Also if Mewtini flips wolf then I'm configtown! Yay!



    ##Vote mewtini
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    Completed I want this in big letters Twice Shrunk is...

    I want this in big letters

    Twice Shrunk is completely null to me, I cannot get a read on the guy and that concerns me.
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    Completed So according to Phraze, illwei and Twice Shrunk...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#848)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#845)
    Quote Originally Posted by sOHiJK (#843)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#842)
    ##Vote Wiml
    of all the people you could choose to try and mc
    Let her talk.

    @Phraze explain please.
    Late on wagon. Could be late bus. Wolf cop going down means early voters likely villa.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#757)
    E N H A N C E D D6 Mafia: Sponsored by the Didney Corporation Day 1 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    8 Quick cassandra (67), Illwei (73), Twice Shrunk (85), sOHiJK (54), DoctorZeus (32), smtwtfs (18), Wiml (100), Euler (51)
    3 DoctorZeus mewtini (15), Guillotina (100), Quick (76)
    2 sOHiJK Phraze (12), Hammer of Justice (44)


    View Vote History

    Quick was eliminated. They were: Mafia Role Cop.
    Role PM for E N H A N C E D D6 Mafia: Sponsored by the Didney Corporation

    You are Mafia Role Cop. You win when you overpower the Town and are the only evil faction remaining.

    As Mafia, you have access to the Factional Night Kill Night Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If no Mafia submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the living non-Mafia players.



    Mafia Role Cop

    As Mafia Role Cop, you have access to the Role Inspection Night Action. Role Inspection will reveal a target's role and any role modifiers. Vanillas and Goons will inspect as Vanilla. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.


    Day 1 has ended.

    Day 1 ended at 8:00 PM EST on Sunday, November 7th, 2021.
    Quote Originally Posted by sOHiJK (#620)
    Quote Originally Posted by cassandra (#616)
    Quote Originally Posted by sOHiJK (#608)
    Quote Originally Posted by cassandra (#607)
    yeah we shouldn't be eliminating DZ today

    may i interest you all in a Quick wagon
    you may
    explain
    his posts have been consistently wolfy
    he thinks Guillo is mafia for using all of his posts early.. his most recent post is to draw a one-game meta comparison, like what?

    has low key avoided/talked around questions and prompts

    dunno, none of his posts feel like he actually cares about solving the game
    okay
    i understand nothing
    but okay
    ##Vote Quick
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#624)
    Quote Originally Posted by cassandra (#607)
    yeah we shouldn't be eliminating DZ today

    may i interest you all in a Quick wagon
    Yh OK ##Vote Quick
    So according to Phraze, illwei and Twice Shrunk are the other villagers.

    Who are the slots that most likely bussed here? @Phraze

    I'm thinking BrokenCaps and DZ are most likely by the way they voted, almost reluctantly so.
    BrokenCaps claimed they didn't understand anything, so why sheeping Cassandra then? If he didn't understand the context of Quick's case, why blindly sheep Cassandra there? Why not, just not vote or vote someone in their scum reads?

    I already explained why I think Zeus looks partnered to quick, if they tried to help each other it'd look bad for them at that point where Zeus voted him. I could see worlds where Tracker!Zeus would just self preserve to stay alive and not goon!Zeus because a goon is supposed to self sacrifice for their PR but I also can see scum!Zeus attempting to gain cred by self-preserving against their PR teammate.

    If Mewtini flips wolf then DoctorZeus town equity goes up though by looking at the final vote count, as Mewtini and Quick end up voting DoctorZeus with me.

    Euler's hammer was a meaningless vote, if he attempted to get cred for it as a wolf they shouldn't be getting any.

    The same could have been said about Wiml but he pushed Quick with Cassandra to their yeet, so that cred cannot go unnoticed. Wiml I really hope you are town because if you are scum, you have defended me so much and I have let you to the point that I woul have to get chopped to figure out whether we re partners or you were white knighting me, although I don't see how wolf you wouldn't take advantage of the momentum I'm gaining and use your town leading status to get me mischopped so, I will just townread you and hope I am not wrong.

    SMT could be a busser from a wolf playing the newbie card. By the way I never said that you were a newbie and if I did then it is not what I meant, what I meant was that you are a mafia senior, maybe new to forum mafia pretending to be a new Mafia player. Your reason to vote Quick checks out for a villager that does not want a claimed town PR to go over but that's all I can say for you at that specific moment.

    Oh! Also just realized that illwei is indeed Absinthe/Katze! lol, so yah I accurately meta read you without knowing it was actually you, take that! So Illwei is perfectly capable of bussing a partner and being one of the first voters, time will tell.

    Mewtini flipping wolf will give me info to analyse stuff, it will ignite my reads like never before.

    If Mewtini flips town and Zeus does not die tonight, Zeus is just a wolf and SMT should be looked into further, Phraze too.
    If there is a vig then kill Zeus because that means the tracker does not exist, if there is an arson, then douse our PoE, remember, the idea is boxing the wolves in and force them to push obvious townies!

    Does it ring a bell?
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    Completed Dude, get over it, if you are town it's best you...

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1312)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1310)
    @Doctor Zeus

    This is the best Guillo wolf game I could find

    He also wolfs in MM2 on his profile but gimmicks early on.

    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...-3-Game-Thread

    I am only on page 1 but he comes off very differently to his approach here and very similarly to the approach I would associate with his villa play. This sort of play is not unusual for him.
    Yh its night and day.

    I expect him to have range but this is fine.





    Guillo's response to me is thorough but kinda good. There are things in there that are kinda stupid like:
    - Doubting I'm asleep from 1-4am
    - Finding it silly I thought some of his posts were jokes (I think we may just post differently, there are a few things where our interpretation of whats said is just different. Maybe its cultural)

    But the rest is actually quite good in tone because its not the wolfy reaction I get to these which is to panic & attack.

    I still think your actions re.Quick were wolfy, and, you talk a lot about doing RT's and I'm yet to really experience RT's as being villagey. You rely on appeals to experience a lot as well which I kinda just scanned over.

    Whats helping me most is that the people who I'm inclined to v read are also defending you.

    I still think your wolfy but will be fine to go with the crowd and vote-of Mew of the opportunistic vote.

    I'm gunna just stay watching you.
    Dude, get over it, if you are town it's best you let scum deal with me.
    If you are a wolf, my blood is filled with silver anyway, you wouldn't like the taste of my meat.

    (This is an example of how I joke).
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    Completed Chopping Mewtini will give us a lot of asnwers...

    Chopping Mewtini will give us a lot of asnwers tbh

    ##Vote mewtini

    Their chop will give me answers for further reads on SMT and DoctorZeus
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    Completed DOCTOR ZEUS ANALYSIS SHOULD POINT TO A TOWNREAD...

    DOCTOR ZEUS ANALYSIS SHOULD POINT TO A TOWNREAD BUT HE WOLF READS ME INSTEAD LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1274)
    Part A: Continuous Suspicion on the Village Tracker, Doctor Zeus
    Bear in mind this, he creates a title to make it seem I'm deliberately pushing the Tracker, whom we knew nothing about at the time. Also bear in mind that the only detailed reads he has provided is against me, because we are already paired by interactions. It is clear that if we are part of the same team, we don't know we are.




    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1274)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#26)
    DoctorZeus not posting anything so far is sus.

    ##Vote DoctorZeus
    - Early suss
    This is when I had been asleep for the whole of the game. Guillo is kinda joking, but, its something to bare in mind as the game develops- especially given 69 and 78
    I'm not anywhere near joking there, no kinda, no nothing. You said you were asleep for the "whole of the game" (which is an excuse we can't corroborate can we?) which confirms that I my grounds for suspicion are valid, as you tend to volume clear yourself on Day 1.




    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1274)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#30)
    Spicy RvS read. Mewtini/DoctorZeus are either w/w or v/w, they are never v/v

    Fight me
    I think this is mostly a joke because he's responding to Mew saying this:
    "what about the other 5 people who haven't". In post 78 Guillo is now calling this post "white knighting" and using it to leverage high pressure on Mew. Knowing now that Guillo is STILL be pressuring Mew, this seems like a power-wolf prepping the mislunches because his idea of what a white knight is is so exaggerated. Look down at Guillo's early defence of Phraze. Thats what defence is, not "what about the other players"
    Implies that I'm joking again when I'm not, he is discarding my posts as jokes and yet is pushing as if they were serious. You can't have it both ways, I'm either joking and you NAI read me for them or I'm serious and you hold me accountable for it.

    In the bolded you acknowledge that I'm pressuring Mewtini, which is indicative of scum hunting but you paint is as a scum maneuver? On top of that in the red bolded he implies that Mewtini is town as only town can be mislunched and I'm "setting Mewtini up" for it, so good! We got another pairing here! DoctorZeus either townreads Mewtini, knows Mewtini is town or he distanced from Mewtini there.

    The blue bold is quite ironic, because...

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#36)
    Quote Originally Posted by mewtini (#31)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#30)
    Spicy RvS read. Mewtini/DoctorZeus are either w/w or v/w, they are never v/v

    Fight me
    meh? more like, why him specifically out of the zeroposters (ie a third of the game). i was actually kind of wondering if it was a metaread or something, it seemed like a weird random name to pull out of everyone else
    Lol maybe mew is a wolf
    ...I assumed he either agreed with me or tried hard to distance himself from Mewtini, if you two are not partners, why do you think my push on Mewtini is an exaggeration but your reaction to Mewtini is that they are wolfy?

    And Zeus, defenses can be done in many ways. Guys, What is the name of the word when you attack the suspicion on your partner? There is a word for it but my ASL is getting in the way now.




    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1274)
    - Later on in D1

    - He doesn't mention me for ages then revisits the shade 288. The issue with this read is Guillo has only seen my v game not my w game so this read is speculative.
    - 343 is good. It shows gamesolving intent because his agenda is MORE than getting me lunched.
    - 366 is weird.
    - He ends up
    Well, what did you expect, to keep my entire focus on you all day? Wouldn't that be wolfy behavior?, specially as you pointed out you have been AFK all day (allegedly sleeping)?
    Stop calling my pushes as "Shade", shade and pressure are not the same thing. That day I'm making sure that you are not forgotten and that you know I have not forgotten you. Also thanks for confirming my point, I've only seen your village game and the difference between your village play and this one is stark!


    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1274)
    Part B: Guillo on other players

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#65)
    Phraze is town, that sleep vote was an attempt to get reactions as usually wolves would love the game to end in a no-yeet, given her playstyle I doubt she'd want attention on herself as a wolf.

    For newbies: Except for this exact time, we don't use the term "Lynch" to refer to the elimination, we use Yeet, Chop, or Slay.
    Pre-protecting Phrase is something I also do as a villager. Post 345 is when he retracts it...And looking at Phraze's response for the first time & Phraze's vote and justification she DOES look wolfy. As a wolf she does this kinda thing all the time. So the whole treatment of Phraze I find village aligned

    - Post 88is the culmination of hard pressure on Euler for some pretty NAI stuff. Euler was hanging out chucking out some pretty light RVS reads, but, Guillo jumped on and pushed and pushed for deeper meaning- and- IMO, assumed meaning in Euler's posts that wasn't there. Its NAGL. He then jumps on and off, in a way that looks wolfy to me.

    - Wiml treatment is good. 129 is a good example of how to village read someone without pocketing them wolfily.

    - Fight with Illwei (D1 Guillo 50-100 posts) is I think symptomatic of Guillo's aggressive approach, but, I find it NAI for both players. I generally just ignore other people's fights so its a blank spot in my game.

    - Unarticulated defence of Hammer (334). Wolves do this when defending partners, or, lazily through TMI. Villagers do this because they can be lazy. Guillo isn't lazy.

    - He spent lots of D1 shading & attacking broken caps, culminating in 402. This post relies heavily on TMI-shaped reads in 402. When I make a case like this, where I act like its slam dunk it takes a lot to get me off it. Will keep an eye on how Guillo progresses. Post 414 is also bad from Guillo- its fighting to fight; Broken Caps was right, Guillo your read was so predicated on TMI. HE THEN DOESN'T VOTE HIM!!! He goes back to me!!! WTF

    - 436 is the first post with Cassandra. Takes a much more conciliatory line with Cassandra. Cassandra ended up finding & burying the wolf d1 so lets see how this goes.

    Part B: Guillo's general game play

    - Post 82 shows how engaged in the game he is. He is getting involved in other conversations, interacting etc. This is something I associate with villagers.
    - Post 83, 402, 421 and others show an obsession with TMI that comes up a lot. I don't get it. A TMI read is dependent on you knowing the role of a player. What Guillo seems to do is excuse EVERY vote or read that comes without an exaplanation TMI (or shade, which he treats badly when it happens to him 120, but, does extensively to others lots of 402)
    - Post 103 is demonstrative of something I believe I will see more of as I go through this ISO. Guillo responds opaquely & evasively when people question him- but- presses people HARD who do the same. Wolfy.
    - Post 117 is really villagey. Its an attempt to goad people in to playing, and, wolves have less motivation to do this. (See 179
    - 284 made me laugh because its just phrased in a jokey way. Villagers are better at making jokes
    - Leaves legacy (293 and 424). Villagey
    - Villagey questioning of his own reads based on others behaviour 463

    Part D: THE QUICK WAGON & Guillo

    I think this bit is the most wolfy part of Guillo's d1.

    - Quick enters and Guillo and him get in a fight- 502. Its combative and (to me) feels like w/w theatre. Its shade for shade.
    - Post 545 Guillo makes a VERY VISUALLY NOTICABLE vote. look at that Gif. But its based on the fight (502) and the fact that....
    I hate this post, mostly because I associate "old news" with "obsolete" and in that context, you look like you are trying to take importance from what was already said, generally speaking.
    Is this a sentence any of you think is legitimate to vote someone? Especially after he's made a wall accusing broken caps?
    - 20m later jumps back to me. Actually pushes me

    This is a distancing attempt, followed by a save. Its wolfy af.



    Anyway I've not checked this and have to go for 2hours so this may make little sense sorry if so.
    1) What stuff is NAI from Euler if I may ask Zeus?
    2) If I'm pushing for deeper meaning or content, is it not indicative that I'm uninformed looking for info though? Why is it not a good look pushing people for info? I don't get it.
    3) Illwei and I are paired by interaction, we created content to analyze and you are disregarding it as NAI stuff that we specifically do. Unlike me who has seen you play, you have never seen me play, you have never played with me, so someone must be telling you that I'm aggressive in every game to make that statement because you don't know me bro lol. Who is giving you advice to say this? What a slip bruh.

    Yes, I do push people aggressively, but I'm never fighting them, at least not in the way you are trying to paint my interaction with illwei as, no no no! If you are town, I suggest to revise my interactions with illwei and pair yourself to us with a honest opinion.

    4) What? TMI is dependent of knowing the role of a person? What? Only one faction has TMI, the wolves, we don't need to know roles to pick traces of TMI, we just gotta look out for posts that point out to info or reads that can only get there if you have info the town does not have.

    5) I'm in scum hunting mode and I'm using votes to press people for info, Euler made a question that should be obvious and I didn't feel the need to explain what I was doing because it defeats the purpose. Remember Zeus, scum think that town is supposed to have static reads because not having them attracts attention to them, which is what wolves associate with being bad for them without realizing that it is not bad for us, we want players to commit to reads for info right?
    So often, newbie wolves associate jumping from place to place as wolfy behavior because if they did it, it'd look bad for them as they have to explain why they are doing it and again, they wanna look unpaired. Stick around, you are gonna learn a lot from me here in this master class.

    6) You keep saying that I'm joking about stuff but... I'm not, I rarely joke around when I play. I RT a lot yes but those shouldn't be considered as jokes. Stop doing that, that is wolfy.

    7) If I assume for how you are saying it that you townread Broken Caps then. That's good to know, another pairing! If you were a wolf afraid of looking paired and focused on me to avoid that, too late! Also, there are two reasons I backed off from BrokenCaps

    * Euler said that BrokenCaps posted TMI looking stuff as a villager at their home site, which is another pairing! Euler is either town providing proof that TMI looking posts (which also corroborates that I'm not the only one who thought it looked like TMI) from BrokenCaps shouldn't be read as scum indicative, or he did damage control for his partner!
    * I got the reactions I wanted at the time and it was time to press someone else for info. Little I knew you were asleep all day right?



    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1274)
    Part D: THE QUICK WAGON & Guillo

    I think this bit is the most wolfy part of Guillo's d1.

    - Quick enters and Guillo and him get in a fight- 502. Its combative and (to me) feels like w/w theatre. Its shade for shade.
    - Post 545 Guillo makes a VERY VISUALLY NOTICABLE vote. look at that Gif. But its based on the fight (502) and the fact that....
    I hate this post, mostly because I associate "old news" with "obsolete" and in that context, you look like you are trying to take importance from what was already said, generally speaking.
    Is this a sentence any of you think is legitimate to vote someone? Especially after he's made a wall accusing broken caps?
    - 20m later jumps back to me. Actually pushes me

    This is a distancing attempt, followed by a save. Its wolfy af.



    Anyway I've not checked this and have to go for 2hours so this may make little sense sorry if so.
    1) Quick came in at a time you were a top wagon and I was your bigger pusher yesterday. So we know either of these two things. He tried to stop your wagon from happening or he white knighted you.
    Whatever he was doing it for, of course he gotta try to discredit my push and get me mischopped right? And

    For context:

    Pocketing is when someone from the opposite alignment tries to earn your trust.
    White Knighting is when someone defends you so you'd look bad when they flip

    2) The vote and the comment are two different actions that look related for the way I posted it, but that reply in the quote was addressed to WIML and the vote, was for Quick, at that time Quick was getting pressure but not enough for Quick to spill their beans, I also townread Cassandra and she and I mindmelded that Quick's read on me was reachy as hell, so I made that big $%#! dramatic vote to make him feel the pressure.

    3) I never try to save my outed partners when I'm a wolf, if you $%#! up, I'll bury you for town cred, I never save partners, I've been playing this game for 20 years and I learnt how to end game by burying negative utility wolf partners. This is meta you can rely on. I bury partners, specially in an scenario where a partner paired themselves to me like a dumbass, at that point I'm half bussing/half policy chopping them or bad wolf play.
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    Completed NIGHT 3 RESULTS: HOLLOWKATT DIED Role PM for...

    NIGHT 3 RESULTS: HOLLOWKATT DIED

    Role PM for Deck Mafia #006: Rise of the 3Ps

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    What album could an elephant listen to all day long?

    Tusk by Fleetwood Mac.

    You are Elephant, Town Vanilla. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
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    Completed I would like you to unvote while I'm prepping my...

    I would like you to unvote while I'm prepping my counter-read to Zeus walls please. I don't wanna get chopped without posting my thoughts about it. I'm sure my voters are in no rush to get me lunched right?
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    Completed Again, show me the terrible pushes I've made...

    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1212)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1211)
    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1208)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1206)
    erm I meant smt
    thats not controversial enough to warrant an opinion on it
    Guillo obvtown
    in no way is he obvious and if he is as good of a wolf as he claims then people giving him easy townreads for being "agressive" while he has had terrible pushes today and didn't end on quick yesterday despite jumping on him at one point need to re eval and change their mind
    Again, show me the terrible pushes I've made today.

    For the bold

    1) I wasn't gonna be at EoD and only had one post left

    2) Quick spewed me town, I didn't feel I needed to pile on him, he was gonna go over no matter what(and he did).

    3) I wanted to leave a record that I scum read DoctorZeus by EoD for wagonomics analysis in the future, should I die, then wagonomics specialists could maybe find something in my legacy.

    4) Quick was Cassandra's pelt, I had my pelts to claim, I only vote for the people I 100% believe are scum and between Quick and Doctor Zeus, i believed Dz was scummier, if you look in my ISO you'll find that I'm consistent about that and Cassandra pointed it out independently too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1252)
    Guillo I could have easily answered with any number of names or even said "anyone" and it would still be true to me as well as you would still try to attack me over it
    But you didn' and you still haven't. You didn't want to be held accountable for that and that is wolf indicative, you didn't want to spew people town if you end up getting chopped soon.



    Cassandra caught Quick because he tried to paint me as scum, my methods are unorthodox but I'm obvious town, scum would love it if I got chopped because that means one loud voice less they have to worry about.

    Two, town want this aggressive voice, without it, the thread does not move, I went away and when I came back all there was to read was a bunch of fluff and Mewtini's townread withdrawal from me without an explanation.

    If we can't agree to chop illwei today, I'll make sure Mewtini goes over because they got nothing going for them, I can also be convinced to chop Hammer.
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    Completed Dude, am i speaking Chinese here Wiml? She...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1241)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1239)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1238)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1228)
    Who? They answered and they said “me”. I never said who where the players that were acting scummy and just didnt care in that post but ive been saying it along my posts.

    Phraze, Hammer, Smt, Mewtini and Zeus.

    She said that im salty because TOWNIES were getting townread making half the effort that i am.

    Who are those townies? I need to hold you accountable for those names. She freezes, i vote, she says me. But i never touched her for making half the effort i am, i compared her play with Absinthe AKA Katze whom i played and lost to her and her team and let me tell you, their style is surprisingly similar, but that is all i said about illwei. So? Wtf? What gives? She tmied dude.
    I don't understand what about this stance wouldn't be justified for her to make from a villager's perspective. Almost every player could be argued as only making half of the effort you are and it's not like the post was meant as anything more than a broad statement.
    And ALMOST EVERY PLAYER IS A TOWNIE?? She specifically said TOWNIES not players.
    Yeah she townreads the players who she was referring to. She was referring only to the players who are widely townread and who she agrees with being town. It's not difficult to imagine that post coming from a villager's perspective if they 1. Think you're a wolf and 2. Think you're frustrated at being boxed in by a lot of correct village reads being made.
    Dude, am i speaking Chinese here Wiml?

    She clearly didnt know whom i talking about because when i asked her who those townies were, she could have said oh well it’s smt or mew or phraze! Right? Do you follow so far? Yah? Ok.

    But she didn’t! She didn’t know what to say so she said “me” and then a “lmao”. She knows she slipped she was not willing to gamble in saying the names of the players I thought were not making the effort, instead she thought i was talking about the townies she thought i was talking about.

    She slipped, get out of that pocket bro.

    Im about to post cap myself again and i learn from my mistakes so, see you by EoD.
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    Completed And ALMOST EVERY PLAYER IS A TOWNIE?? She...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1238)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1228)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1226)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1222)
    You should. They TMI slipped. Im not moving my bote elsewhere today unless someone outs even worse than illwei.
    it wasn't a TMI slip, Illwei townread the people she was referring to as townies
    Who? They answered and they said “me”. I never said who where the players that were acting scummy and just didnt care in that post but ive been saying it along my posts.

    Phraze, Hammer, Smt, Mewtini and Zeus.

    She said that im salty because TOWNIES were getting townread making half the effort that i am.

    Who are those townies? I need to hold you accountable for those names. She freezes, i vote, she says me. But i never touched her for making half the effort i am, i compared her play with Absinthe AKA Katze whom i played and lost to her and her team and let me tell you, their style is surprisingly similar, but that is all i said about illwei. So? Wtf? What gives? She tmied dude.
    I don't understand what about this stance wouldn't be justified for her to make from a villager's perspective. Almost every player could be argued as only making half of the effort you are and it's not like the post was meant as anything more than a broad statement.
    And ALMOST EVERY PLAYER IS A TOWNIE?? She specifically said TOWNIES not players.
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    Completed Im gonna say that one last thing. Im attacking...

    Im gonna say that one last thing. Im attacking and pushing your play, i expect the same thing in return. I dont handle very well petsonal attacks, so thread carefully there.

    All im gonna say. Attack the play, not the player.
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    Completed Who? They answered and they said “me”. I never...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1226)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1222)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1220)
    ftr we are also not flipping Illwei today either
    You should. They TMI slipped. Im not moving my bote elsewhere today unless someone outs even worse than illwei.
    it wasn't a TMI slip, Illwei townread the people she was referring to as townies
    Who? They answered and they said “me”. I never said who where the players that were acting scummy and just didnt care in that post but ive been saying it along my posts.

    Phraze, Hammer, Smt, Mewtini and Zeus.

    She said that im salty because TOWNIES were getting townread making half the effort that i am.

    Who are those townies? I need to hold you accountable for those names. She freezes, i vote, she says me. But i never touched her for making half the effort i am, i compared her play with Absinthe AKA Katze whom i played and lost to her and her team and let me tell you, their style is surprisingly similar, but that is all i said about illwei. So? Wtf? What gives? She tmied dude.
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    Completed I’m hetero

    I’m hetero
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    Completed You should. They TMI slipped. Im not moving my...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1220)
    ftr we are also not flipping Illwei today either
    You should. They TMI slipped. Im not moving my bote elsewhere today unless someone outs even worse than illwei.
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    Completed You? But… i was not talking about you at that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1183)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1180)
    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1177)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1174)
    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1173)
    why does one of them have to be lying when you took back your claim.
    Again…. B E C A U S E T H E Y A R E N O T

    D E A D!

    So either scum are playing against their win condition by not killing those that can mech lock them as wolf or

    DRUM ROLLS


    They are scum!
    I was going to make a post mocking you and using this formatting but it's too much effort to find the right words to make big

    1) wifom
    2) they just aren't scared
    3) saw cass as spewed off quick

    and why kill the PRs over cass when they have people like you regardless of alignment ready to try and push these PRs wahoo
    Because it takes more than one person to get a PR chopped, yah? If I'm wrong about Zeus and other townies think I'm wrong, Zeus is not dying to the chop and scum will not try to push there without progression because they'd out themselves right? So this is why wolves wanna NK PRs, I mean, this is mafia 101 and I don't think you are a noob so, why do I have to teach mafia basics again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1179)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1178)
    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1176)
    also salty much? that you're trying so hard to be townread as a wolf when townies are getting townread for putting in half the effort you are? lol.
    ???????? Who are those townies?

    I don't need to try hard to be townread, I was spewed town by Quick's dumbass and unsubstantiated push that led to his demise courtesy Cassandra whom by the way, hard townread me.
    if you don't need to try hard to be townread why are you so salty
    You didn't answer my question, you TMI slipped. Who are the townies getting townread for putting in half the effort I am? I need those names to hold you accountable. I'm not salty, I'm playing the game.
    me
    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1184)
    lmfao
    You? But… i was not talking about you at that specific time. Why would i be salty because you were getting townread when you were not even under my radar until you slipped? And you daid townies so even if i believed you were talking about yourself, there is at least one more.

    Who is a townie from the people that were making half the effort i am?

    You can answer that or you can just lolcat, im parking on you.
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    Completed I caught a wolf guys lol It works every time,...

    I caught a wolf guys lol

    It works every time, it takes a little goading and they fall for it.
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    Completed Illwei

    ##Vote Illwei
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    Completed Because it takes more than one person to get a PR...

    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1177)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1174)
    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1173)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1172)
    What? You dont understand that both Hammer and Zeus claimed PR yesterday and none of them are dead? One of them has to be lying, so I RTed Zeus and he has been my most confident scum read and guess what? He didnt pass the RT! But maybe im expecting too much from Zeus if he is town and well if he is town Tracker, mafia will kill him and if he is not, if we are lucky we will kill him tonight (we as in a town vig or poisoner).
    why does one of them have to be lying when you took back your claim.
    Again…. B E C A U S E T H E Y A R E N O T

    D E A D!

    So either scum are playing against their win condition by not killing those that can mech lock them as wolf or

    DRUM ROLLS


    They are scum!
    I was going to make a post mocking you and using this formatting but it's too much effort to find the right words to make big

    1) wifom
    2) they just aren't scared
    3) saw cass as spewed off quick

    and why kill the PRs over cass when they have people like you regardless of alignment ready to try and push these PRs wahoo
    Because it takes more than one person to get a PR chopped, yah? If I'm wrong about Zeus and other townies think I'm wrong, Zeus is not dying to the chop and scum will not try to push there without progression because they'd out themselves right? So this is why wolves wanna NK PRs, I mean, this is mafia 101 and I don't think you are a noob so, why do I have to teach mafia basics again?

    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1179)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1178)
    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1176)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1146)
    Ok maybe im wolf reading people because they dont play like what i would expect a townie to play, like me. Like smtwtfs had me finally convinced of their innocence in the post were i believed they were sincere, but now they are afraid of pushing me after droppings their townread on me? That is not how i expect a townie to proceed, if you suspect me, then push me, ask me questions, converse with me, case me!! Stop sitting on the fence! Stop not taking sides! You cannot ve both right or wrong at the same time, pick a damn side!

    illwei reminds me of a player i played recently with, her name was was Absinthe if i remember correctly, same behavior, wants to push their scum read but without proper reads backing them up, not even a case, they ended up being scum (they did some questionable $%#! too but i will not into that as they are not the same person), it’s like a trend here, where the players that move the game forward and do scum hunting and up being put under far more scrutiny than those that play like they dont give a crap about contributing to the game, trolls are getting a pass, scummy people being left alone!

    AAAAAAAGH! BOOOOORING!
    also salty much? that you're trying so hard to be townread as a wolf when townies are getting townread for putting in half the effort you are? lol.
    ???????? Who are those townies?

    I don't need to try hard to be townread, I was spewed town by Quick's dumbass and unsubstantiated push that led to his demise courtesy Cassandra whom by the way, hard townread me.
    if you don't need to try hard to be townread why are you so salty
    You didn't answer my question, you TMI slipped. Who are the townies getting townread for putting in half the effort I am? I need those names to hold you accountable. I'm not salty, I'm playing the game.
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    Completed ???????? Who are those townies? :ninja: I...

    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1176)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1146)
    Ok maybe im wolf reading people because they dont play like what i would expect a townie to play, like me. Like smtwtfs had me finally convinced of their innocence in the post were i believed they were sincere, but now they are afraid of pushing me after droppings their townread on me? That is not how i expect a townie to proceed, if you suspect me, then push me, ask me questions, converse with me, case me!! Stop sitting on the fence! Stop not taking sides! You cannot ve both right or wrong at the same time, pick a damn side!

    illwei reminds me of a player i played recently with, her name was was Absinthe if i remember correctly, same behavior, wants to push their scum read but without proper reads backing them up, not even a case, they ended up being scum (they did some questionable $%#! too but i will not into that as they are not the same person), it’s like a trend here, where the players that move the game forward and do scum hunting and up being put under far more scrutiny than those that play like they dont give a crap about contributing to the game, trolls are getting a pass, scummy people being left alone!

    AAAAAAAGH! BOOOOORING!
    also salty much? that you're trying so hard to be townread as a wolf when townies are getting townread for putting in half the effort you are? lol.
    ???????? Who are those townies?

    I don't need to try hard to be townread, I was spewed town by Quick's dumbass and unsubstantiated push that led to his demise courtesy Cassandra whom by the way, hard townread me.
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    Completed Again…. B E C A U S E T H E Y A R E N O T ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#1173)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1172)
    Quote Originally Posted by smtwtfs (#1152)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#1146)
    Ok maybe im wolf reading people because they dont play like what i would expect a townie to play, like me. Like smtwtfs had me finally convinced of their innocence in the post were i believed they were sincere, but now they are afraid of pushing me after droppings their townread on me? That is not how i expect a townie to proceed, if you suspect me, then push me, ask me questions, converse with me, case me!! Stop sitting on the fence! Stop not taking sides! You cannot ve both right or wrong at the same time, pick a damn side!

    illwei reminds me of a player i played recently with, her name was was Absinthe if i remember correctly, same behavior, wants to push their scum read but without proper reads backing them up, not even a case, they ended up being scum (they did some questionable $%#! too but i will not into that as they are not the same person), it’s like a trend here, where the players that move the game forward and do scum hunting and up being put under far more scrutiny than those that play like they dont give a crap about contributing to the game, trolls are getting a pass, scummy people being left alone!

    AAAAAAAGH! BOOOOORING!
    I mean I don’t sr you or anything, but yesterday and earlier today I was very confident you were town and I’m now just less sure. I think your push or whatever you want to call it on doctor when he’s uncced pr is a little bit strange. I don’t understand the point of reaction testing him. To be fair I don’t see the point coming from a mafia perspective either.

    Someone (I forget who) brought up they thought there was something odd with Quick’s push on you. And I thought it was odd at the time but maybe it was a way to distance or something, idk.

    Also I feel bad fear reading but you seem very strong and I think I’m paranoid
    What? You dont understand that both Hammer and Zeus claimed PR yesterday and none of them are dead? One of them has to be lying, so I RTed Zeus and he has been my most confident scum read and guess what? He didnt pass the RT! But maybe im expecting too much from Zeus if he is town and well if he is town Tracker, mafia will kill him and if he is not, if we are lucky we will kill him tonight (we as in a town vig or poisoner).
    why does one of them have to be lying when you took back your claim.
    Again…. B E C A U S E T H E Y A R E N O T

    D E A D!

    So either scum are playing against their win condition by not killing those that can mech lock them as wolf or

    DRUM ROLLS


    They are scum!
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Beguiler

The Beguiler may every night hide behind a target. Any actions targeted at the Beguiler on this night will instead affect the Beguiler's target. This ability can be used a maximum of 3 times.