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  1. Day 1#1668

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    Game Thread Amrock Apogee Empoof Hally katze ladd...

    ##Vote Amrock
    Apogee
    Empoof
    Hally
    katze
    ladd
    Limestone
    Lissa
    Panther
    Riki
    staypositivefriend
    vanity.
    Zack


    i think amrock is just a villager, his set of takes do make ~sense based on what he's seen of me and how i expect him to view my play

    hally is just a villager because they are idk i guess i've never really talked about this but i got 2 minutes i'm not spending half of it here

    panther i still just kinda think is a villager for a more extended version of awful reasons

    zack probably v

    empoof big shrug

    apogee is wolfy i'm not spending an age on this one i've been as clear as i can be even if nobody really gets it

    katze $%#! if i know gun to head v but idfk

    ladd probably v

    vanity probably v i've written a lot of really messy words about this none of which make sense to anyone else but here we are

    i guess that leaves like empoof(i know i already said his name but for non v)/lime/riki/spf who is probably just v which i dont feel very good about im sure i am wrong somewhere i guess

    sorry bros

    glgl
  2. Day 1#1628

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    Game Thread i don't remember it was a pretty vague overall...

    Quote Originally Posted by ladd (#1611)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1595)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1578)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1560)
    weird interpretation of that post tbh

    no it's weird that your response to "i feel decent about this read but not incredible" is "so you really want to kill him? sell us then"

    that's such a $%#!ing bizarre way to take what i just said
    so you don’t really want to kill him? then why are you voting him? who are you considering voting instead?

    i mean can you give us anything
    ????????????????????????????

    dude i'm sorry i'm trying and i've gotten badly derailed at this point but

    is "i do want to kill him but i don't $%#!ing have anything else to case him on other than that singular point and i don't feel tunnel-strongly about it" an impossible to comprehend take
    not really but did you ever xplain what post you villa read apogee for early on?


    cause the post you wolfread was from the same batch of posts from wher eyour villa read came from afaict
    i don't remember it was a pretty vague overall feely take, i don't really remember picking up on the specific post i latched onto today at the time

    might have been some specific posts i think but idr where exactly

    i think i said this but i'll be clearer about it i suppose
  3. Day 1#1618

    Thread: Best Flavor 13er

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    Game Thread the point i made about apogee is the extent of my...

    the point i made about apogee is the extent of my read, i don't really know how to be any more convincing about it, nor do i really actually feel all that incredible about being convincing about it but here we are

    i always tell myself i'm going to get better at forcing reads as a villager when the game goes like this so this doesn't happen where i spiral my bad starts into not managing to do enough to counteract them but i can't make myself do it
  4. Day 1#1600

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    Game Thread sick take :wowee:

    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#1586)
    lissa empoof zack



    are three people in this game
    sick take
  5. Day 1#1595

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    Game Thread ???????????????????????????? dude i'm sorry...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1578)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1560)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1547)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1539)
    weird response tbh
    it’s weird to ask you to convince us to kill the person you’re voting at EoD? wat
    weird interpretation of that post tbh

    no it's weird that your response to "i feel decent about this read but not incredible" is "so you really want to kill him? sell us then"

    that's such a $%#!ing bizarre way to take what i just said
    so you don’t really want to kill him? then why are you voting him? who are you considering voting instead?

    i mean can you give us anything
    ????????????????????????????

    dude i'm sorry i'm trying and i've gotten badly derailed at this point but

    is "i do want to kill him but i don't $%#!ing have anything else to case him on other than that singular point and i don't feel tunnel-strongly about it" an impossible to comprehend take
  6. Day 1#1583

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    Game Thread i don't get it as in i don't get how that as an...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack (#1570)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1560)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1547)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1539)
    weird response tbh
    it’s weird to ask you to convince us to kill the person you’re voting at EoD? wat
    weird interpretation of that post tbh

    no it's weird that your response to "i feel decent about this read but not incredible" is "so you really want to kill him? sell us then"

    that's such a $%#!ing bizarre way to take what i just said
    i don't think it is, really, i dunno if you realize how your play today has come off to the other 12 people
    i don't get it as in i don't get how that as an overall relates to what hally said

    i know my play today has been really rough, don't feel good about it, guess most of it is what it is at this point

    but i have no idea what i've done to convince people i'm that sure about apogee other than him being like the only wolfread i have at all
  7. Day 1#1560

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    Game Thread weird interpretation of that post tbh no it's...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1547)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1539)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1533)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1522)
    fire is a rare occasion at this point tbh

    i think my eod's been a lot better than the rest of my day, people are just taking an issue with it because they've built up an issue with me not really accomplishing very much before it which Fair Enough I Guess but at this point stuff like "this is how lissa would play this eod if these were her partners" is just a really nonsensical reason to wolfread it??? of course i'm trying not to die, i know i'm a villager and i'm not going to pretend my one post read on apogee while i do feel pretty decent about it is some kind of lock tunnel
    so you really want to kill apogee? sell us then
    weird response tbh
    it’s weird to ask you to convince us to kill the person you’re voting at EoD? wat
    weird interpretation of that post tbh

    no it's weird that your response to "i feel decent about this read but not incredible" is "so you really want to kill him? sell us then"

    that's such a $%#!ing bizarre way to take what i just said
  8. Day 1#1539

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    Game Thread weird response tbh

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1533)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1522)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1503)
    Quote Originally Posted by Amrock (#1485)
    Lissa is a wolf unfortunately, tone here is clsssic w!lissa :/
    i agree

    her posts this EoD feel so wolfy

    she’s more focused on defending herself than explaining why apogee is a wolf and getting him killed

    and her defense feels limp af

    no fire whatsoever
    fire is a rare occasion at this point tbh

    i think my eod's been a lot better than the rest of my day, people are just taking an issue with it because they've built up an issue with me not really accomplishing very much before it which Fair Enough I Guess but at this point stuff like "this is how lissa would play this eod if these were her partners" is just a really nonsensical reason to wolfread it??? of course i'm trying not to die, i know i'm a villager and i'm not going to pretend my one post read on apogee while i do feel pretty decent about it is some kind of lock tunnel
    so you really want to kill apogee? sell us then
    weird response tbh
  9. Day 1#1537

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    Game Thread i don't really see how you think the flow /...

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1524)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apogee (#1513)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1504)
    i feel like lissa is carefully choosing all of the words that theyre replying to me with instead of letting them come to her organically, and that's the specific type of mindset that i think wolves under pressure tend to fall into a lot
    can you give a quick example or two of possibly selected reasons?

    full disclosure I care about this both for your alignment and lissas
    i was referring specifically to p#1400 because the specific word choices have an awkward ....flow? to them. they feel stiff in a way that lissa's rest of the posts in the game so far havent really been

    but it's more of an intuition thing, not sure if i can explain it more than that
    i don't really see how you think the flow / wording of that post is substantively more awkward than anything else i've said

    i mean if you want to call awkward i've made a lot of awkward posts

    but that one is just a post
  10. Day 1#1530

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    Game Thread this is just not a correct take

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1504)
    i feel like lissa is carefully choosing all of the words that theyre replying to me with instead of letting them come to her organically, and that's the specific type of mindset that i think wolves under pressure tend to fall into a lot
    this is just not a correct take
  11. Day 1#1522

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    Game Thread fire is a rare occasion at this point tbh i...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1503)
    Quote Originally Posted by Amrock (#1485)
    Lissa is a wolf unfortunately, tone here is clsssic w!lissa :/
    i agree

    her posts this EoD feel so wolfy

    she’s more focused on defending herself than explaining why apogee is a wolf and getting him killed

    and her defense feels limp af

    no fire whatsoever
    fire is a rare occasion at this point tbh

    i think my eod's been a lot better than the rest of my day, people are just taking an issue with it because they've built up an issue with me not really accomplishing very much before it which Fair Enough I Guess but at this point stuff like "this is how lissa would play this eod if these were her partners" is just a really nonsensical reason to wolfread it??? of course i'm trying not to die, i know i'm a villager and i'm not going to pretend my one post read on apogee while i do feel pretty decent about it is some kind of lock tunnel
  12. Day 1#1507

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    Game Thread lissa is a villager unfortunately, tone here is...

    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#1488)
    Quote Originally Posted by Amrock (#1485)
    Lissa is a wolf unfortunately, tone here is clsssic w!lissa :/


    Amrock is a wolf unfortunately, tone here is clsssic w!amrock :/
    lissa is a villager unfortunately, tone here is classic v!lissa

  13. Day 1#1480

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    Game Thread different posts? i frankly don’t even...

    Quote Originally Posted by Riki (#1465)
    Quote Originally Posted by ladd (#1459)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1250)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apogee (#180)
    As to the former, yes, that is certainly within the realm of possibility. I could go on a long digression about how making reads works for me but I picked up a ping somewhere on page 2 (50ppp) like "hm. hally feels a bit off, why is that? Inside the lines feels about right, I feel there might actually be something there // I'm not immediately dissuaded." And then putting words to that feeling is sometimes good or sometimes it isn't.

    As to the middle, maybe. Again its like, I feel hally is different, something about their posts jumps out at me, this is about how I think I can get at it.

    In much the same way as why the answer to why Hally looking into how you approached kat and van differently is that we apply reads that in theory could fit multiple players to only one player off of gut/nuance/some level of understanding that we can't fully get at right away.

    So in other words, I didn't write it about other players because I thought there were things that made it not wolfy for them, even if those things are ill-defined even in my own thoughts.

    As for the last part, yes, I actually like to talk about this because like, it's one of the few "wolf tells" I actually think works for me (I am generally a POE focused villager finder). "Reasons to wolfread people" is wolfy. It is making reads based on things we all know make someone villagy or wolfy. "SPF posted a wall that defends a flipped wolf," "Apogee is a wolf because he hedged three consecutive reads," "Haru is a wolf because they only posted memes for thirty minutes at EOD." Obviously like, this is an extreme example even for this, I don't think what Hally did is egregious like these, but "SPF applied a read differently" verges on it for sure.

    Villagers, on the other hand, have "why these people are wolves." Generally, they are more focused, more nuanced, more unique. The kind of thing you nod along to as an unique insight, as opposed to just a reasonable one.

    Let me know if any of this makes any sense I think I started to ramble.
    i think the place he’s applying this is a weird place to apply that piece of theory

    and it kind of feels like he’s demonstrating almost his own point in some kind of layered way that isn’t really the same point but is the same kind of thing going on
    this is the read no? Thats exactly what I was talking about


    my point is that I didnt really expect an apogee to follow just from this
    is this not one of his earlier posts of the game?

    where did the initial apogee v read come from then
    different posts?

    i frankly don’t even remember, but i don’t remember picking up on that post originally really
  14. Day 1#1472

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    Game Thread i had hardly started playing the game at that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack (#1457)
    it weirds me out that lissa saying that v list was "super thin" (when she really did not indicate that at the time?) and then acting like a minor piece of commentary on one apogee post is this clear progression of finding him wolfy

    idgi
    i had hardly started playing the game at that point and my head (very clearly) wasn’t really in it at all i don’t really get how this is that hard to imagine honestly
  15. Day 1#1452

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    Game Thread .

    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1250)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apogee (#180)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#176)
    okay, thanks for explaining. to be honest, i think that you are describing hally's actions and then labeling them as "formulaic", instead of "formulaic" being the natural word that should describe hally's actions - does that makes sense?

    like, i think that you're right that wolves have a tendency to post memes in the early game while lightly shading other players while TMI'ing a couple of people as town, but i feel like that description could fit a lot of people in this game? i feel like you could have written the bolded section of this post about any number of players while just changing the names slightly, and it would still functionally be the same read

    i also don't really understand the distinction between: "reasons to wolfread people" and "why these people are wolves", because you're making it sound like hally should have specific and concrete pushes in the first few pages instead of just digging into stuff like she did, but maybe i'm misunderstanding you?
    As to the former, yes, that is certainly within the realm of possibility. I could go on a long digression about how making reads works for me but I picked up a ping somewhere on page 2 (50ppp) like "hm. hally feels a bit off, why is that? Inside the lines feels about right, I feel there might actually be something there // I'm not immediately dissuaded." And then putting words to that feeling is sometimes good or sometimes it isn't.

    As to the middle, maybe. Again its like, I feel hally is different, something about their posts jumps out at me, this is about how I think I can get at it.

    In much the same way as why the answer to why Hally looking into how you approached kat and van differently is that we apply reads that in theory could fit multiple players to only one player off of gut/nuance/some level of understanding that we can't fully get at right away.

    So in other words, I didn't write it about other players because I thought there were things that made it not wolfy for them, even if those things are ill-defined even in my own thoughts.

    As for the last part, yes, I actually like to talk about this because like, it's one of the few "wolf tells" I actually think works for me (I am generally a POE focused villager finder). "Reasons to wolfread people" is wolfy. It is making reads based on things we all know make someone villagy or wolfy. "SPF posted a wall that defends a flipped wolf," "Apogee is a wolf because he hedged three consecutive reads," "Haru is a wolf because they only posted memes for thirty minutes at EOD." Obviously like, this is an extreme example even for this, I don't think what Hally did is egregious like these, but "SPF applied a read differently" verges on it for sure.

    Villagers, on the other hand, have "why these people are wolves." Generally, they are more focused, more nuanced, more unique. The kind of thing you nod along to as an unique insight, as opposed to just a reasonable one.

    Let me know if any of this makes any sense I think I started to ramble.
    i think the place he’s applying this is a weird place to apply that piece of theory

    and it kind of feels like he’s demonstrating almost his own point in some kind of layered way that isn’t really the same point but is the same kind of thing going on
    .
  16. Day 1#1449

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    Game Thread i had just made a read on apogee?

    Quote Originally Posted by ladd (#1445)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1435)
    Quote Originally Posted by ladd (#1411)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1405)
    why is it intriguing? i made a super thin villa read a handful of my posts into the game
    cause it was very from the left field

    I expected zack/hally to vote, but you came in, made one post about him and voted
    i think i had been in thread for a good bit at that point already?
    but you had said absolutely nothing about apogee?

    if i am wrong correct me tho
    i had just made a read on apogee?
  17. Day 1#1438

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    Game Thread but yes it was based on one post sure

    but yes it was based on one post sure
  18. Day 1#1435

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    Game Thread i think i had been in thread for a good bit at...

    Quote Originally Posted by ladd (#1411)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1405)
    Quote Originally Posted by ladd (#1398)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1390)
    these are lissa’s posts about apogee since having him as her second strongest v read:



    mm

    lot of it was definitely better but

    meh?
    how on earth does this justify dropping him that much and voting him

    ???
    yea it was pretty intriguing that she was the first to vote apogee

    i tend to agree that if she is a wolf, at least one of vanity/katze is a w olf too
    why is it intriguing? i made a super thin villa read a handful of my posts into the game
    cause it was very from the left field

    I expected zack/hally to vote, but you came in, made one post about him and voted
    i think i had been in thread for a good bit at that point already?
  19. Day 1#1419

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    Game Thread okay so maybe i missed on the coherency metric: i...

    okay so maybe i missed on the coherency metric: i somewhat think that apogee read on hally was apogee actually doing the thing he’s saying hally is doing, finding a reason for a wolfread on hally
  20. Day 1#1410

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    Game Thread while i’ve made a lot of posts in this game i can...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1403)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1385)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1377)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zack (#1369)
    the way lissa dropped apogee to a wolf read while hardly talking about him at all feels so incredibly bad lol
    what lmao

    i did talk about him as much as i’ve talked about anyone

    those reads were extremely thin at the time bar you
    you made one post about him that i don’t even understand
    while i’ve made a lot of posts in this game i can understand if people don’t understand i think the apogee one i made was actually one of the most cogent, i was just saying he was actually doing the thing he was saying he was seeing being done?
  21. Day 1#1405

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    Game Thread why is it intriguing? i made a super thin villa...

    Quote Originally Posted by ladd (#1398)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1390)
    these are lissa’s posts about apogee since having him as her second strongest v read:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1250)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apogee (#180)
    As to the former, yes, that is certainly within the realm of possibility. I could go on a long digression about how making reads works for me but I picked up a ping somewhere on page 2 (50ppp) like "hm. hally feels a bit off, why is that? Inside the lines feels about right, I feel there might actually be something there // I'm not immediately dissuaded." And then putting words to that feeling is sometimes good or sometimes it isn't.

    As to the middle, maybe. Again its like, I feel hally is different, something about their posts jumps out at me, this is about how I think I can get at it.

    In much the same way as why the answer to why Hally looking into how you approached kat and van differently is that we apply reads that in theory could fit multiple players to only one player off of gut/nuance/some level of understanding that we can't fully get at right away.

    So in other words, I didn't write it about other players because I thought there were things that made it not wolfy for them, even if those things are ill-defined even in my own thoughts.

    As for the last part, yes, I actually like to talk about this because like, it's one of the few "wolf tells" I actually think works for me (I am generally a POE focused villager finder). "Reasons to wolfread people" is wolfy. It is making reads based on things we all know make someone villagy or wolfy. "SPF posted a wall that defends a flipped wolf," "Apogee is a wolf because he hedged three consecutive reads," "Haru is a wolf because they only posted memes for thirty minutes at EOD." Obviously like, this is an extreme example even for this, I don't think what Hally did is egregious like these, but "SPF applied a read differently" verges on it for sure.

    Villagers, on the other hand, have "why these people are wolves." Generally, they are more focused, more nuanced, more unique. The kind of thing you nod along to as an unique insight, as opposed to just a reasonable one.

    Let me know if any of this makes any sense I think I started to ramble.
    i think the place he’s applying this is a weird place to apply that piece of theory

    and it kind of feels like he’s demonstrating almost his own point in some kind of layered way that isn’t really the same point but is the same kind of thing going on
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1271)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1266)
    i don’t want to lunch apogee

    i agree his posting in the latter half of the day has been weak but his earlier posts are enough to get him to next day imo

    D2 we can revisit it but it just seems like potentially a huge mistake to kill him right now
    mm

    lot of it was definitely better but

    meh?
    how on earth does this justify dropping him that much and voting him

    ???
    yea it was pretty intriguing that she was the first to vote apogee

    i tend to agree that if she is a wolf, at least one of vanity/katze is a w olf too
    why is it intriguing? i made a super thin villa read a handful of my posts into the game
  22. Day 1#1400

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    Game Thread certain people are doing a lot of this almost...

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1383)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1381)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1355)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1352)
    if lissa is a wolf i think we’re wagoning at least one of her teammates right now and she doesn’t want to bus them
    lissa feels the most "frozen" to me out of pretty much everyone voting right now, which is more or less why im voting her
    the actual answer to this is “i left the thread for like ten minutes” lol
    alright, so where's your head at now? do you have any new thoughts? do you wanna kill apogee today?
    certain people are doing a lot of this almost confbiasy but that’s not quite right thing where they’re looking at me through the lens of fitting my interactions into what they say about me if i am a wolf and it’s kind of annoying but probably villagery

    i do still want to kill apogee that hasnt really has anything change it?
  23. Day 1#1385

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    Game Thread what lmao i did talk about him as much as i’ve...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1377)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zack (#1369)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#692)
    i think hally/apogee/vanity/panther v in roughly that descending order is about all i've got though tbh

    bbl raid time
    the way lissa dropped apogee to a wolf read while hardly talking about him at all feels so incredibly bad lol
    what lmao

    i did talk about him as much as i’ve talked about anyone

    those reads were extremely thin at the time bar you
  24. Day 1#1381

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    Game Thread the actual answer to this is “i left the thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1355)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1352)
    if lissa is a wolf i think we’re wagoning at least one of her teammates right now and she doesn’t want to bus them
    lissa feels the most "frozen" to me out of pretty much everyone voting right now, which is more or less why im voting her
    the actual answer to this is “i left the thread for like ten minutes” lol
  25. Day 1#1375

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    Game Thread lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Amrock (#1373)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1372)
    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#1350)
    Quote Originally Posted by ladd (#1345)
    you are the only person I know that does it and idk why you are projecting it on everyone else

    hav eyou ever seen a wolf not named you do it?
    once

    okay maybe you have a point
    There is a wolf within these two people
    lol
  26. Day 1#1374

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    Game Thread yes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack (#1369)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#692)
    i think hally/apogee/vanity/panther v in roughly that descending order is about all i've got though tbh

    bbl raid time
    yes?
  27. Day 1#1372

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    Game Thread :wowee:

    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#1350)
    Quote Originally Posted by ladd (#1345)
    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#1340)
    Quote Originally Posted by ladd (#1326)
    I dont buy you believe this for a second


    maybe regardless of alignment
    i pressure people i PR read as a wolf all the time because i'd rather force them to claim than shoot them blindly

    did it in finale, did it in several homesite wolfgames (rip fol), did it in dragonvale
    you are the only person I know that does it and idk why you are projecting it on everyone else

    hav eyou ever seen a wolf not named you do it?
    once

    okay maybe you have a point
  28. Day 1#1337

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    Game Thread nod

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1318)
    Quote Originally Posted by Amrock (#1311)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1307)
    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#1299)
    THING NUMBER TWO

    I AM ONE OF THE TWO VIGILANTES

    IT IS MECHANICALLY OPTIMAL FOR ME TO NOT SPECIFY WHICH AS MAFIA HAVE A ROLEBLOCKER

    DO NOT ENGAGE WITH THIS POST
    everyone should probably ignore this post

    katze fake claims regardless of alignment
    and spf knows that, so why are they unvoting as if this makes Katze a villager or someone we shouldn’t kill?
    yeah i'm not really comfortable killing somebody hardclaiming a PR even if they have a reputation for fakeclaimimg unless i feel 99% confident that they're a wolf, but i'd like to leave it at that because i think discussing it further is a bad idea
    nod
  29. Day 1#1335

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    Game Thread i dont really understand how anyone finds empoof...

    i dont really understand how anyone finds empoof much of anything other than null

    can understand if killing him is just kind of narrowing down to it but i struggle to see how he’s actively wolfy

    i am not exactly going to defend him because he hasn’t actually done anything that merits defending either but ya
  30. Day 1#1320

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    Game Thread i don’t really have a clue honestly a lot of...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack (#1275)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1271)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1266)
    i don’t want to lunch apogee

    i agree his posting in the latter half of the day has been weak but his earlier posts are enough to get him to next day imo

    D2 we can revisit it but it just seems like potentially a huge mistake to kill him right now
    mm

    lot of it was definitely better but

    meh?
    what is your read on katze?
    i don’t really have a clue honestly

    a lot of elements of the way they post fits into a certain type of... nuance or something? a certain form/subtype of nuanced emotional engaging? that i instinctively tend toward villa reading but it’s not a thing that really actually works on the archetype of player it applies to, think me villareading manti for hot dog analogies except this isn’t really quite the same but it’s the same kind of village read on basically personality where i know i shouldn’t make it at this point but want to on some level

    tldr if you go super gun to head v but $%#! if i know
  31. Day 1#1271

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    Game Thread mm lot of it was definitely better but meh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1266)
    i don’t want to lunch apogee

    i agree his posting in the latter half of the day has been weak but his earlier posts are enough to get him to next day imo

    D2 we can revisit it but it just seems like potentially a huge mistake to kill him right now
    mm

    lot of it was definitely better but

    meh?
  32. Day 1#1258

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    Game Thread Apogee mmh

    ##Vote Apogee

    mmh
  33. Day 1#1256

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    Game Thread fair enough :wowee:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1252)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1242)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1237)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1223)
    limestone’s posting is basically what i expect, never had an incredible pulse on reading him early (or late )
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1179)
    if you have another stint itt where you spin your wheels and do nothing i’m viging you tonight

    the ball is in your court
    not sure what you think this is going to accomplish in any direction tbh
    (it’s a joke )
    fair enough
  34. Day 1#1250

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    Game Thread i think the place he’s applying this is a weird...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apogee (#180)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#176)
    okay, thanks for explaining. to be honest, i think that you are describing hally's actions and then labeling them as "formulaic", instead of "formulaic" being the natural word that should describe hally's actions - does that makes sense?

    like, i think that you're right that wolves have a tendency to post memes in the early game while lightly shading other players while TMI'ing a couple of people as town, but i feel like that description could fit a lot of people in this game? i feel like you could have written the bolded section of this post about any number of players while just changing the names slightly, and it would still functionally be the same read

    i also don't really understand the distinction between: "reasons to wolfread people" and "why these people are wolves", because you're making it sound like hally should have specific and concrete pushes in the first few pages instead of just digging into stuff like she did, but maybe i'm misunderstanding you?
    As to the former, yes, that is certainly within the realm of possibility. I could go on a long digression about how making reads works for me but I picked up a ping somewhere on page 2 (50ppp) like "hm. hally feels a bit off, why is that? Inside the lines feels about right, I feel there might actually be something there // I'm not immediately dissuaded." And then putting words to that feeling is sometimes good or sometimes it isn't.

    As to the middle, maybe. Again its like, I feel hally is different, something about their posts jumps out at me, this is about how I think I can get at it.

    In much the same way as why the answer to why Hally looking into how you approached kat and van differently is that we apply reads that in theory could fit multiple players to only one player off of gut/nuance/some level of understanding that we can't fully get at right away.

    So in other words, I didn't write it about other players because I thought there were things that made it not wolfy for them, even if those things are ill-defined even in my own thoughts.

    As for the last part, yes, I actually like to talk about this because like, it's one of the few "wolf tells" I actually think works for me (I am generally a POE focused villager finder). "Reasons to wolfread people" is wolfy. It is making reads based on things we all know make someone villagy or wolfy. "SPF posted a wall that defends a flipped wolf," "Apogee is a wolf because he hedged three consecutive reads," "Haru is a wolf because they only posted memes for thirty minutes at EOD." Obviously like, this is an extreme example even for this, I don't think what Hally did is egregious like these, but "SPF applied a read differently" verges on it for sure.

    Villagers, on the other hand, have "why these people are wolves." Generally, they are more focused, more nuanced, more unique. The kind of thing you nod along to as an unique insight, as opposed to just a reasonable one.

    Let me know if any of this makes any sense I think I started to ramble.
    i think the place he’s applying this is a weird place to apply that piece of theory

    and it kind of feels like he’s demonstrating almost his own point in some kind of layered way that isn’t really the same point but is the same kind of thing going on
  35. Day 1#1242

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    Game Thread not sure what you think this is going to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1237)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1223)
    limestone’s posting is basically what i expect, never had an incredible pulse on reading him early (or late )
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1179)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1173)
    good... morning, or something
    if you have another stint itt where you spin your wheels and do nothing i’m viging you tonight

    the ball is in your court
    not sure what you think this is going to accomplish in any direction tbh
  36. Day 1#1223

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    Game Thread limestone’s posting is basically what i expect,...

    limestone’s posting is basically what i expect, never had an incredible pulse on reading him early (or late )
  37. Day 1#1213

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    Game Thread i feel it? um like.. her having that vague...

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1205)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1197)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1193)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1190)
    I’m not sure if i was just hard not really processing what i was reading at one point or if i just don’t Get it but i dont really understand why either wagon is a thing tbh
    do you have any reads that you feel strongly about right now in either direction?
    hally v and kind of vanity v but i can’t really even pinpoint how strongly i actually feel about that
    talk more about vanity v please?
    i feel it?

    um like.. her having that vague shape of like, performativity has ceased to be the right word but i don’t know what the right one is, i think the nuances of how she presents herself and her thoughts in relation to what i know of vanity and her game sort of circle around a bit and land at villager

    sorry i’m not sure this is extraordinarily helpful
  38. Day 1#1207

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    Game Thread i think i can probably just fire off...

    i think i can probably just fire off Ladd/zack/amrock all probably v
  39. Day 1#1197

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    Game Thread hally v and kind of vanity v but i can’t really...

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1193)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1190)
    I’m not sure if i was just hard not really processing what i was reading at one point or if i just don’t Get it but i dont really understand why either wagon is a thing tbh
    do you have any reads that you feel strongly about right now in either direction?
    hally v and kind of vanity v but i can’t really even pinpoint how strongly i actually feel about that
  40. Day 1#1190

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    Game Thread I’m not sure if i was just hard not really...

    I’m not sure if i was just hard not really processing what i was reading at one point or if i just don’t Get it but i dont really understand why either wagon is a thing tbh
  41. Day 1#1183

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    Game Thread the plan is not to do that :wowee:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#1179)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#1173)
    good... morning, or something
    if you have another stint itt where you spin your wheels and do nothing i’m viging you tonight

    the ball is in your court
    the plan is not to do that
  42. Day 1#1173

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    Game Thread good... morning, or something

    good... morning, or something
  43. Day 1#981

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    Game Thread i kind of skimmed some of hally's posts again and...

    i kind of skimmed some of hally's posts again and i don't think i feel like spending a ton more time there right now

    empoofs posting is about as ai as mine

    i wrote this like 2-3 hours ago and got very distracted so gonna wake up early enough to do some $%#! before eod i guess
  44. Day 1#904

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    Game Thread lmao

    Quote Originally Posted by ladd (#902)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zack (#901)
    I kinda think 895 would have been more cogent (no offense lol) if Lissa was a wolf

    maybe a bad read
    #motivating-lissa is working

    nice idea promising her you'd become a mod if she got villa read
    lmao
  45. Day 1#900

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    Game Thread i mean i spent almost the whole thing kind of...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack (#896)
    wait how did that post end with you calling vanity v lol
    i mean i spent almost the whole thing kind of swinging back and forth

    and as i kept reading i became more and more leaning toward the village interpretation of it

    (that's a terribly constructed sentence but i give up on making it sound right)
  46. Day 1#895

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    Game Thread i still kind of get flashes of a little too far...

    i still kind of get flashes of a little too far into engagement performativity from vanity from posts like this one:

    Quote Originally Posted by vanity. (#49)
    the real problem is i can't stop myself from checking the game every 5 seconds instead of doing something else, just waiting for other people to show up and hopefully give other thin comments on what has occurred so far, which is what a normal person would do
    but it could also definitely just be, like. a real post i don't feel great about the other interpretation

    there's a couple of other posts also like that

    i do think her posts have curved better since while still kind of dipping into that range so i ultimately think i probably land at just actually a villager?

    i feel ~meh about her read on me but i also just lowkey hate when people make commentary type reads on me because sometimes they do it even when i'm actually playing the game

    i'm kind of zigzagging a little because i do kind of continue to see traces of performativity-ish thing going on but i can't decide which direction i think it's ai in which probably makes it not very ai lol

    i'm only halfway through the iso and don't really know where i'm going with this tbh

    i don't really have a ton of further commentary as i keep going except that i kind of want to just yolo vanity v and roll with it for a while
  47. Day 1#853

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    Game Thread am i really though :thinking:

    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#849)
    actually i threadcamp while not actually Thinking all the time i just have higher expectations of people than i have of myself i probably shouldnt hold it against you but im bad and ur not

    checkmate
    am i really though :thinking:
  48. Day 1#850

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    Game Thread i mean i just said it lol my brain isn't...

    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#848)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lissa (#847)
    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#845)
    writes a villagery post

    i should probably. not waste posts.

    uhm.

    did lissa ever get back to me earlier?

    nope

    mbe ill vig her n1 instead of <secret wolfread> 🥺
    look i'll be up for a few more hours smh

    i'm just sitting here trying to decide if brain.exe has restarted yet

    i'm not really sure it has but i'm going to make it run anyway
    ur last post was an hour ago why tf u replying to me within 2 minutes and still have nothing to say
    i mean i just said it lol

    my brain isn't really operating i'm just tabbing around staring at the screen trying to make it turn back on

    (also case in point i couldn't have told you whether that was 10 minutes or two hours ago )
  49. Day 1#847

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    Game Thread look i'll be up for a few more hours smh i'm...

    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#845)
    writes a villagery post

    i should probably. not waste posts.

    uhm.

    did lissa ever get back to me earlier?

    nope

    mbe ill vig her n1 instead of <secret wolfread> 🥺
    look i'll be up for a few more hours smh

    i'm just sitting here trying to decide if brain.exe has restarted yet

    i'm not really sure it has but i'm going to make it run anyway
  50. Day 1#827

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    Game Thread i said that and then forgot i posted until now ...

    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#826)
    mornin

    who are the wolves m'lissa
    i said that and then forgot i posted until now

    i'll get back to you
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