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Originally Posted by Memory 1635916250 (#333)

Look, here's the state of the game.

Yesterday another villager may have been voted out but it was a great end of day because everyone in the game cared and took a stand between the options we had which gives us a ton of information to work with. Specifically we can look at who went after who in close wagon situation and eliminate a good number of pairs as unlikely. While there could have been bussing I think it's fair to say most of what happened did not look like it but you can argue this point with me.


Agenda

I think Scipio1 is always town and I'm pretty sure the doctor is town as well. I think Ichigo should always be the kill today unless he can convince us specifically Vulgard is a better kill.

Why This Agenda Is This Way

Sciprio is likely town in my opinion because he has been highly engaged in giving his stances without dressing them up in a way to seek credit from them, a town behavior I frequently have been correct applying, and think just the fact he's pushed so many places on the people still alive is just a good look like ending day one on ichigo, day 2 on doctor, and day 3 he's opening on tess who's a good person to foil at this point. I think his comment about people probably self pressing and the wagons plausibly being v/v/v are town seeming thoughts. If I'm wrong I see plausibility of him being with vulgard but that's a different story I'll get to later.

Apart from Ichigo, DoctorZeus has no realistic partners since everyone was hard against him at one point or another. For him to be with vulgard they would both have to have been pushing each other in great detail and doctor would have had to talk to me about how I should think vulgard's push on me was wolfy and vulgard would have had to write that long wall about doctor being mafia. It doesn't come of as a partner bus.

I don't think the way tessepia played it was partnery either. Both had an argument where doctor ended up calling tess more town and the tess ended the day voting him. Sciprio would not only have to have ended the day voting his partner when he was universally townread but I would have to be wrong on both my strongest townreads which is... quite unlikely. The conclusion of niph's big wallpost at the start of yesterday was that doctor was likely mafia which is granted... the least clearing since she didn't push it but I think it's unlikely. I'm town and zeus and I pushed each other you can make your decision on that one.

DZ also mentioned he didn't like the ichigo wagon disappearing but regardless I think if he had a partner ichigo is the most likely.

Agenda Outcomes And Why It Benefit Us

So the way I see it if we kill ichigo and he flips scum like I think is likely... great! We know I'm town and scipio1 is good from pushing that guy day one and being generally towny.

If ichigo flips town, well dz is probably just good from lack of plausible associations so you go into lylo with a pool of 2 mafia between tessepia, niphredil, and vulgard, if you discount my vulgard sciprio foil I don't believe much. In this situation you have two of those three vote each other because it should be near guaranteed to contain mafia and having them in a box should make them a lot easier to separate for the town in the group.

That said I do think the more likely scenario is just that ichigo is a wolf, he showed up to fit the qualification of having participated but didn't stick around or show investment in what was going on with the game, instead building on a fairly obscure narrative about twice that doesn't account for a lot of what was going on. The way he talked about being busy while probably true is more typical from scum because they have motive to highlight what makes it so it's harder for them to play.

So I think he's a good kill regardless unless he can step it up and convince that vulgard is scum over him because right now I doubt I'm wrong on both.

I think vulgard's return timing felt so convenient since before other wagon options became viable he was nowhere to be seen and as soon as other options become possible he's back typing away saying he forgot eod, but I guess remembered at just the right time. You know he wasn't there for longer typing his opening because he typed other posts and his typing speed shows it doesn't take him that long to write that much.

I also just think his perspective is just pushing villagers with a lot of detail but he doesn't seem to have solving enthusiasm that I've seen, most of what he's done is just presenting finished reads that seem more like written up to have conclusions than being in the process of considering people. I disagree with people that his reasons are bad, I think they're fine just the way he's gone about it seems wolfy.

If there is no mafia in those two I'd be shocked at how off I am.

The Uncertainties

So moving onto the other two by starting with the night kill which was also unexpected for me. Rose night kill makes a good amount of sense from tessepia since rose knows tessepia best and said she was going to evaluate going into the night plus tessepia, and niphredil for that matter, need to kill odd choices to justify being alive so when the more normal kills happen it's not surprising. Tessepia isn't scummy to me but they aren't expressly villagery either and they seem like a strong enough player writing good enough posts that I want to be cautious of them.

I'd find it weird scum went for rose when people like me and niphredil had both been set up in the thread that we were unlikely to draw a lot of votes again and it makes me a bit more paranoid of niph since both of us had several people expressly say they wouldn't consider our slots moving forward. I looked back and I find a good number of niph's posts outside her wallpost significantly less towny especially on day one and I'm nervous which who she's defended, except when she took my side over Vulgard. However the timing of this is after everyone had changed to having me town and Vulgard was set to the default kill and they just called Vulgard town to start the day so I'm back to being weary.

Conclusion and Outcomes

I think the scummiest people right now are vulgard and Ichigo and therefore have the highest chance of netting us a hit, I don't see many worlds I'd believe that doesn't at least contain one. I think they could both be mafia though then the night kills are weird because they trap themselves in a corner. I think the night kill are more likely from at least on of Tess and Niph justifying being alive late because weird kills happened and then forced kills happened.

If the trio of vulgard niph and tess think the other two being mafia is weird it might just be because ichigo is mafia but they should be prepared to cross vote each other tomorrow if he isn't and they think I'm town. In that group tess feels the most invested in the outcome of most votes so I feel they would be the likeliest town there. If the mafia in that group want to come at me to fight being in the box, then come at me. I'm ready for it.

What a game. Great finish town you made it all worth it.

I like how I was off wagon voting a different mafia day one and day two. My role may have played a... minor part in that but still.

gg thanks for hosting twice shrunk!

##Vote tessepia

@tessepia vote ichigo or I'm going to self press.

Originally Posted by niphredil 1636066679 (#438)

Originally Posted by Memory 1636066634 (#437)

Niph's eod votes are getting to the point where they're just alarming.

?

suspicious places you've landed.

Niph's eod votes are getting to the point where they're just alarming.

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1636066385 (#435)

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1636066165 (#433)

Oh also to resolve wagons

Meh if Kurosaki is a wolf who do you think he’s partnered with?

Who are they not partnered with is a better question.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1636063834 (#420)

Originally Posted by Memory 1636063692 (#418)

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1636063415 (#413)

If Ichigo is a wolf, then his partner has actively been trying to keep him alive; otherwise, I think he would've been bussed by now. (I know this is a bold assumption, but bear with me.) Memory wouldn't fit that mold, further disqualifying them from being paired.

Memory's point about Scipio being the least likely to be paired with him because of the EoD1 vote is a decent one as well.

I'd also throw in niph/Ichigo interactions on page 3; they didn't strike me as W/W just because of the style they engaged each other with. It was more of an investigative interaction on niphredil's side vs. ichigo "just dishing out takes" that seemed like niphredil was genuinely trying to figure out Ichigo's alignment and he was giving opportunities for that by sharing whatever opinions he had (however good/bad they were to have). Basically, the interaction didn't have elements of theater to me; it wasn't designed to make either look better and it wasn't designed to save Ichigo from the yeet (not that he was under duress at the time, but there was a possibility).

If Ichigo's been a bus target this game, then the only player in the entire game who could possibly fit that description is Memory. I'm taking this off the table for the most part, because I think Ichigo's side of the Ichigo/Memory interactions is very unpartnery as well, I just want to float the possibility in case anyone else sees such a world existing.

Personally I'm still leaning toward Ichigo being a disinterested villager whose content is lacking simply because he's not doing anything of note and he isn't invested in the game; it's a bit of a pity townread all things considered, but yeah.

Dude he's actually such and obvious wolf to me I'm mindblown people don't see it...

Like... how... what has he done that's seemed like having a real perspective on people and a real interest in the outcome of any vote?

Nothing, but that's why I'm townreading him. He isn't even trying to look good. His hypothetical partner would be trying to keep him alive here and he'd just be floundering instead of helping to make that work. He hasn't done anything to advance the wolf agenda and he also hasn't done anything to improve his standing in the game, he's just there.

Sure, you could make the argument he's the wolf exactly for these reasons, that he's frozen or whatever, but this really feels like such a bait push to me.

HE IS TRYING TO LOOK GOOD

He made a list of reads and reactions to day one stuff and made another push so he has a stance on the game. This is content and serves the purpose of making him look better. Where's the villagery intent and mindfull presence cause I don't see it.

He didn't not try to look good, he tried and then still looked scummy from it. Or I guess only came off scummy to me.

What would a low effort villager be doing? What would a low effort wolf be doing.

Low effort wolf makes content that can be perceived as passable and peaces out hoping people don't kill them from it. A villager thinks theres a wolf amongst the people talking a lot and calls out people's worldviews that they don't like and say where they think people are on the right track.

What did ichigo do? He wrote up content and got up to five posts and then got out.

It's soooo wolfy.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1636063415 (#413)

If Ichigo is a wolf, then his partner has actively been trying to keep him alive; otherwise, I think he would've been bussed by now. (I know this is a bold assumption, but bear with me.) Memory wouldn't fit that mold, further disqualifying them from being paired.

Memory's point about Scipio being the least likely to be paired with him because of the EoD1 vote is a decent one as well.

I'd also throw in niph/Ichigo interactions on page 3; they didn't strike me as W/W just because of the style they engaged each other with. It was more of an investigative interaction on niphredil's side vs. ichigo "just dishing out takes" that seemed like niphredil was genuinely trying to figure out Ichigo's alignment and he was giving opportunities for that by sharing whatever opinions he had (however good/bad they were to have). Basically, the interaction didn't have elements of theater to me; it wasn't designed to make either look better and it wasn't designed to save Ichigo from the yeet (not that he was under duress at the time, but there was a possibility).

If Ichigo's been a bus target this game, then the only player in the entire game who could possibly fit that description is Memory. I'm taking this off the table for the most part, because I think Ichigo's side of the Ichigo/Memory interactions is very unpartnery as well, I just want to float the possibility in case anyone else sees such a world existing.

Personally I'm still leaning toward Ichigo being a disinterested villager whose content is lacking simply because he's not doing anything of note and he isn't invested in the game; it's a bit of a pity townread all things considered, but yeah.

Dude he's actually such and obvious wolf to me I'm mindblown people don't see it...

Like... how... what has he done that's seemed like having a real perspective on people and a real interest in the outcome of any vote?

Originally Posted by niphredil 1636063068 (#410)

Originally Posted by Memory 1636062695 (#403)

Everyone lmao. Sciprio might be the least likely because he voted the guy day one but even that's not very strong. Hopefully it's obvious it's not me at this point but yeah.

i mean

i really do not think it's ichigo + one of dz/vul, because esp that n2 nk would be just suicidal for that team, and like. yeah

i kinda do not think tess, because i think if she randed wolf with someone like that she would've just bussed that slot earlier lol

scipio probably unlikely because the early vote etc.

you also unlikely but honestly i'm not ruling it out here lol, it's a very bussable slot at this point so *shrug*

I'm pushing it in a way where people are trying to make it not happen and if it happens I almost never live the night over someone else.

No motivation why I would bus him here. If I were with ichigo getting votes in doctor vulgard and tess would be incredibly easy to win the game off of.

Bolded is a very risky and wifomy assumption that's good to consider but not good to use as means to rule out worlds.

Italics isn't great unless tess has a history of struggling to not bus. They had ichigo right out of their kills for almost the entire game but still at the backend of their poe.

Seeing a messed up quote is going to irritate me so just ignore the above. Wasting one of my 9 posts on this since we have an hour so thank me for my sacrifice when you get the chance.

Originally Posted by niphredil 1636061818 (#401)

Originally Posted by Memory 1636059309 (#396)

Straight up, the number of worlds that make sense without ichigo are so limited it's not funny. Like if he were town finding the possible teams after mafia are forced to kill someone would be incredibly easy. But he's also just the scummiest and most likely mafia in the game.

who do you think can be partnered with ichigo, then?

Everyone lmao. Sciprio might be the least likely because he voted the guy day one but even that's not very strong. Hopefully it's obvious it's not me at this point but yeah.

That's the thing if ichigo is mafia we still have to solve people's play moving forward but killing a wolf is always a winning play.

Originally Posted by niphredil 1636061818 (#401)

Originally Posted by Memory 1636059309 (#396)

(also what are those worlds where ichigo's not wolf?)

Well first think of who the world isn't. Not doctor+vulgard, not me+you, not me+vulgard, not tess+vulgard, unlikely sciprio+doctor, unlikely doctor+niph. Should be unlikely to be myself and the doctor from our interactions day 2 but you can make your own decision on that one. Possibly not sciprio tess because sciprio is pushing tess today but I'm not sold on that one.

Just mush together teams from there and the worlds are easier to solve. Wolves have to kill someone so there would be even more limits to the possibilities. Then you can watch what people say on the final day and make your choice from there, don't even have to lock in the world and push both, just see who's the most likely from what you know.

Originally Posted by niphredil 1636061818 (#401)

Originally Posted by Memory 1636059309 (#396)

Straight up, the number of worlds that make sense without ichigo are so limited it's not funny. Like if he were town finding the possible teams after mafia are forced to kill someone would be incredibly easy. But he's also just the scummiest and most likely mafia in the game.

who do you think can be partnered with ichigo, then?

Everyone lmao. Sciprio might be the least likely because he voted the guy day one but even that's not very strong. Hopefully it's obvious it's not me at this point but yeah.

That's the thing if ichigo is mafia we still have to solve people's play moving forward but killing a wolf is always a winning play.

[QUOTE=niphredil;5411730]

Originally Posted by Memory 1636059309 (#396)

(also what are those worlds where ichigo's not wolf?)

Well first think of who the world isn't. Not doctor+vulgard, not me+you, not me+vulgard, not tess+vulgard, unlikely sciprio+doctor, unlikely doctor+niph. Should be unlikely to be myself and the doctor from our interactions day 2 but you can make your own decision on that one. Possibly not sciprio tess because sciprio is pushing tess today but I'm not sold on that one.

Just mush together teams from there and the worlds are easier to solve. Wolves have to kill someone so there would be even more limits to the possibilities. Then you can watch what people say on the final day and make your choice from there, don't even have to lock in the world and push both, just see who's the most likely from what you know.

Originally Posted by niphredil 1635956491 (#341)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635916250 (#333)

I think vulgard's return timing felt so convenient since before other wagon options became viable he was nowhere to be seen and as soon as other options become possible he's back typing away saying he forgot eod, but I guess remembered at just the right time.

that is quite literally false? vul was not top wagon for very long at that eod, there was a lot of movement at that eod, and the time in which it was just vul top wagon was actually very short time?
and he was in fact the top wagon at the time when he started posting
so i have like no idea what you are even talking about wrt "vul only started posting when other wagons became viable"

This is very very wrong. For a long period of time vulgard was the only wagon and with my vote on him it would have been 5 votes vulgard 1 vote on all the rest of the wagons.

I know because I really didn't like this and put my vote in other places to try to get the gamestate more dynamic and to make it produce more information moving forward. Vulgard showed up after I started doing this hence my point when other options became available is when he showed up.

Originally Posted by niphredil 1635956491 (#341)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635916250 (#333)

Apart from Ichigo, DoctorZeus has no realistic partners since everyone was hard against him at one point or another.

why does this not apply to vul? i think there's been far more people in this game voting vul than there was voting dz, at the very least?

Because there's been absolutely no reason he couldn't be with sciprio, ichigo, you, and limited reasons he could be with tessepia before today since they're argument went nowhere then, though went places now. That's most of the game he could be easily partnered with so no it didn't apply to him then and still doesn't really now though I've liked his posts today a bit more than I did previously.

Originally Posted by niphredil 1635956491 (#341)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635916250 (#333)

If ichigo flips town, well dz is probably just good from lack of plausible associations so you go into lylo with a pool of 2 mafia between tessepia, niphredil, and vulgard, if you discount my vulgard sciprio foil I don't believe much. In this situation you have two of those three vote each other because it should be near guaranteed to contain mafia and having them in a box should make them a lot easier to separate for the town in the group.

i absolutely hate this. i do not believe that box contains all the mafia (very possibly there's not any), and i just. hate that memory is already trying to decide who are crossvoting at lylo. especially when it's like incredibly likely it's v/v crossvote they're trying to set up.
just. i hate it. it's agenda and it's very bad and i absolutely hate it all.

Well I don't know what to tell you if you think all of ichigo vulgard yourself and tessepia are town because it's just probably not true.

This is agenda but is the agenda of town that, I believe, gives town the win.

Originally Posted by Kurosaki Ichigo 1636060395 (#399)

I see that Memory complains that I reread the posts from the beginning of the game, and it is true that I read them on the first day.
Since then, however, new information has emerged provided by the alignment of the dead, and this has led to the first posts gaining a new meaning.
I'm not surprised he doesn't agree with me

I'm not complaining, I'm calling it scummy. I think it's not really that important at this point and think it's the easier way of producing a small amount of content without really engaging in what's going on.

Help me out here, how does me having a townread on someone become a pocket after we know they're town but is perfectly fine before that? How is my scumread on hydreigon scummy and different from other pushes made at the time?

What are you not surprised I don't agree you about, that the conclusion is my post was scummy when I know I'm town? Or are you saying something about how I don't agree with the method because of my alignment or how I think?

Straight up, the number of worlds that make sense without ichigo are so limited it's not funny. Like if he were town finding the possible teams after mafia are forced to kill someone would be incredibly easy. But he's also just the scummiest and most likely mafia in the game.

Sorry I shouldn't say everyone with niph/ichigo townreading you, someone who a lot of us suspect and have suspected.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635962216 (#344)

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635928845 (#338)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635916250 (#333)

plus tessepia, and niphredil for that matter, need to kill odd choices to justify being alive so when the more normal kills happen it's not surprising.

don't think this applies to me in any realistic way tbh. Confused why you think so. I agree the kill points towards Niph probably but possibly you too from my perspective. Probably not the thing I want to hinge my reads much on though right now, there's enough in other places I think I'll probably be more confident in. I think this is pretty good though so I'd like to be able to find you as town confidently to hold this perspective too. You're an alt though so idk maybe you can do this as a wolf, lmao.

Not gonna do stuff right now but I'll probably get to it and do a lot of reading tomorrow.. want to win this game, yea,

I can't say this doesn't further level me into a tessepia/Memory team.

@Memory Why is tessepia town? Looking back, both of their EoDs have been pretty awful, toying with votes on villagers. EoD1 they shaded Twice, EoD2 was a bit of a mess where they seemingly evaluated all the top wagons and ended up voting with me after scumreading me, voting Zeus of all people despite townreading him before, and not voting Twice despite expressing a dislike of his slot several times. This looks to me like a wolf who had a lot of options.

And also, why is Ichigo mafia? You didn't give many, if any, concrete reasons for it other than claims of it being a 'good kill.' I know I'm town, I think he's town, you trying to lock the yeet today between me and them is pretty bad. Speaking of locking the yeet, what about Zeus? "Zeus has no realistic partners because everybody pushed on him" is pretty weak reasoning to townread him, considering Zeus wasn't even an option yesterday until I insisted on it and tessepia followed me for no discernible reason. Also, Scipio, but I'm not questioning Scipio's alignment here.

Why couldn't Zeus be a wolf with anyone who didn't vote on him last EoD? I'm not saying he has to be a wolf; I'm a bit unsure at this point, because I strongly wolfread tessepia atp and I doubt they're partnered with Zeus - but it is possible, especially if tessepia's town.

I don't know why you're asking my why tessepia is town when I very distinctly DON'T have them as a villager. I said they were the more likely town in the box if I had to guess because they showed a lot more attempts to interat and have take aways from their interactions while the other two just posted finished conclusions for the most part which was wolfy to me, and niph was defending you giving you both partner equity. And the reason I needed to specify this was in case I died before f5 people can look back and see what I thought and how I would lean towards solving the future case.

Tessepia can very much be a wolf still to me and I have them in my box of people I'd vote.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635963461 (#346)

So, after all this, I've come to the conclusion that:

- niphredil being a wolf doesn't make sense in any scenario I can come up with, so she has to be town.
- Scipio is probably town unless he's snowing me quite hard.
- Zeus is town for gamestate reasons in all worlds except the world where I correctly pushed him last EoD, in which case the other wolf would have to be Ichigo (and I'd be agreeing with Memory here) simply because any other player in this game would've definitely gone to the trouble of saving him.

- Tessepia/Memory fit the bill of wolves in control of the game, something I think is probably the case; tessepia in particular looks suspect based on how they played at both EoDs, while Memory's opening post today looks rather agenda'd considering I'm town and Ichigo might also be town
- Ichigo makes sense as the partner of both of them, though I still have an independent townread on him based on the simple fact he hasn't done anything to further the wolf agenda or to save himself for the entire game; that might be a bad reason to townread him and I'm fully aware of that, but yeah. Also, the reason I say Ichigo might still be with Memory despite Memory pushing on him today is the fact Memory could bus for credit here if they wanted. The push's existence does make tessepia/Ichigo more viable than Memory/Ichigo, but yeah.

And speaking of Tessepia/Memory/Ichigo, one thing that's important is the fact both Memory and tessepia have wanted to kill Ichigo at varied points of the game, while the same wasn't true on Ichigo's end. I'm getting similar vibes to how my slot has been handled; Ichigo could be the partner of one of them, but he could also be a misyeet they're pushing, and a very easy one to push through considering how low-impact and low-townread Ichigo has been.

No no no. Teseepia never wanted ichigo. She's never voted ichigo. Ichigo has always been at the tail end of her poe and just now since your question she fully removed him and voted me when things were looking dangerous. If you look at her vote history she's voted in a lot of places and that wasn't one of them.

I've pushed ichigo at various points this game with easier pushes available like you who everyone suspects and hard pushed me

Originally Posted by Memory 1636058360 (#392)

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1636057017 (#391)

Originally Posted by Memory 1636054627 (#381)

Ichigo is not only mafia but obvious mafia at this point lol

Seriously just vote him and profit.

How is he obvious mafia

It makes no sense he's reading the same posts he read earlier and coming to conclusions he didn't the first time. His world essentially just looks like he was in wolfchat saying "I don't know what to post" and they said "just make a post pushing memory and possibly link memory and tessepia since that's the world being pushed by vulgard right now. I also had a similar reaction to tessepia just going with my poe but not acknowledging it and not pushing the same person I am who I think has the greatest chance of flipping wolf.

Since day one he's essentially not shown any of the investment in the outcome of or votes as pretty much everybody else in the game, being behind and not having time is one thing but this game is still only on page 8 so having a certain amount of awareness and opinions on things that are happening is only natural.

His early posts felt like writing things to have filled the bar of participation without taking any risks and his day one townread on me looks like he made the reason up for the vote after the fact.

Also just look at the wording he uses to push me today. I made my initial post to pocket catbae. Put yourself in their shoes writing a scumread on someone coming from a place of uncertainty and writing a wolfread. Is that how you describe it? Or is that how you describe something from someone you just want to call a wolf and need to have a reason behind it. The argument doesn't even make sense, if I made a post to pocket catbae then why would I kill them night one. Why is that more relavent to them then the post I put together at the start of the day WITH a push on them? Feels like they needed a reason to call me wolfy and that was just far easier to say.

It's the same pattern of behavior he showed yesterday with twice. Has them town, oh wait a minute this point here is actually wolfy okay theyre my vote now. He's basing all his opinions on obscure things while never just being in the game or caring about someone making a push on someone he townreads or... anything like that.

It's wolfy af to me.

Also ichigo wagon has gotten so much resistance people have been saying it's an easy push but the wagon never picks up any steam despite how underwhelming he's being while wagons on people like myself tessepia vulgard dz and even twice from yeasterday, pick up easily despite everyone from the group putting in league of investment in the gamestate. It's weird to me how easy it is to push us while it's hard to push what is essentially a super underwhelming and generally agreed upon to be scummy slot.

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1636057017 (#391)

Originally Posted by Memory 1636054627 (#381)

Ichigo is not only mafia but obvious mafia at this point lol

Seriously just vote him and profit.

How is he obvious mafia

It makes no sense he's reading the same posts he read earlier and coming to conclusions he didn't the first time. His world essentially just looks like he was in wolfchat saying "I don't know what to post" and they said "just make a post pushing memory and possibly link memory and tessepia since that's the world being pushed by vulgard right now. I also had a similar reaction to tessepia just going with my poe but not acknowledging it and not pushing the same person I am who I think has the greatest chance of flipping wolf.

Since day one he's essentially not shown any of the investment in the outcome of or votes as pretty much everybody else in the game, being behind and not having time is one thing but this game is still only on page 8 so having a certain amount of awareness and opinions on things that are happening is only natural.

His early posts felt like writing things to have filled the bar of participation without taking any risks and his day one townread on me looks like he made the reason up for the vote after the fact.

Also just look at the wording he uses to push me today. I made my initial post to pocket catbae. Put yourself in their shoes writing a scumread on someone coming from a place of uncertainty and writing a wolfread. Is that how you describe it? Or is that how you describe something from someone you just want to call a wolf and need to have a reason behind it. The argument doesn't even make sense, if I made a post to pocket catbae then why would I kill them night one. Why is that more relavent to them then the post I put together at the start of the day WITH a push on them? Feels like they needed a reason to call me wolfy and that was just far easier to say.

It's the same pattern of behavior he showed yesterday with twice. Has them town, oh wait a minute this point here is actually wolfy okay theyre my vote now. He's basing all his opinions on obscure things while never just being in the game or caring about someone making a push on someone he townreads or... anything like that.

It's wolfy af to me.

Originally Posted by tessepia 1636054719 (#382)

Originally Posted by Memory 1636054627 (#381)

Ichigo is not only mafia but obvious mafia at this point lol

Seriously just vote him and profit.

just read his meta again and I don't really think so

Why not?

Ichigo is not only mafia but obvious mafia at this point lol

Seriously just vote him and profit.

Look, here's the state of the game.

Yesterday another villager may have been voted out but it was a great end of day because everyone in the game cared and took a stand between the options we had which gives us a ton of information to work with. Specifically we can look at who went after who in close wagon situation and eliminate a good number of pairs as unlikely. While there could have been bussing I think it's fair to say most of what happened did not look like it but you can argue this point with me.


Agenda

I think Scipio1 is always town and I'm pretty sure the doctor is town as well. I think Ichigo should always be the kill today unless he can convince us specifically Vulgard is a better kill.

Why This Agenda Is This Way

Sciprio is likely town in my opinion because he has been highly engaged in giving his stances without dressing them up in a way to seek credit from them, a town behavior I frequently have been correct applying, and think just the fact he's pushed so many places on the people still alive is just a good look like ending day one on ichigo, day 2 on doctor, and day 3 he's opening on tess who's a good person to foil at this point. I think his comment about people probably self pressing and the wagons plausibly being v/v/v are town seeming thoughts. If I'm wrong I see plausibility of him being with vulgard but that's a different story I'll get to later.

Apart from Ichigo, DoctorZeus has no realistic partners since everyone was hard against him at one point or another. For him to be with vulgard they would both have to have been pushing each other in great detail and doctor would have had to talk to me about how I should think vulgard's push on me was wolfy and vulgard would have had to write that long wall about doctor being mafia. It doesn't come of as a partner bus.

I don't think the way tessepia played it was partnery either. Both had an argument where doctor ended up calling tess more town and the tess ended the day voting him. Sciprio would not only have to have ended the day voting his partner when he was universally townread but I would have to be wrong on both my strongest townreads which is... quite unlikely. The conclusion of niph's big wallpost at the start of yesterday was that doctor was likely mafia which is granted... the least clearing since she didn't push it but I think it's unlikely. I'm town and zeus and I pushed each other you can make your decision on that one.

DZ also mentioned he didn't like the ichigo wagon disappearing but regardless I think if he had a partner ichigo is the most likely.

Agenda Outcomes And Why It Benefit Us

So the way I see it if we kill ichigo and he flips scum like I think is likely... great! We know I'm town and scipio1 is good from pushing that guy day one and being generally towny.

If ichigo flips town, well dz is probably just good from lack of plausible associations so you go into lylo with a pool of 2 mafia between tessepia, niphredil, and vulgard, if you discount my vulgard sciprio foil I don't believe much. In this situation you have two of those three vote each other because it should be near guaranteed to contain mafia and having them in a box should make them a lot easier to separate for the town in the group.

That said I do think the more likely scenario is just that ichigo is a wolf, he showed up to fit the qualification of having participated but didn't stick around or show investment in what was going on with the game, instead building on a fairly obscure narrative about twice that doesn't account for a lot of what was going on. The way he talked about being busy while probably true is more typical from scum because they have motive to highlight what makes it so it's harder for them to play.

So I think he's a good kill regardless unless he can step it up and convince that vulgard is scum over him because right now I doubt I'm wrong on both.

I think vulgard's return timing felt so convenient since before other wagon options became viable he was nowhere to be seen and as soon as other options become possible he's back typing away saying he forgot eod, but I guess remembered at just the right time. You know he wasn't there for longer typing his opening because he typed other posts and his typing speed shows it doesn't take him that long to write that much.

I also just think his perspective is just pushing villagers with a lot of detail but he doesn't seem to have solving enthusiasm that I've seen, most of what he's done is just presenting finished reads that seem more like written up to have conclusions than being in the process of considering people. I disagree with people that his reasons are bad, I think they're fine just the way he's gone about it seems wolfy.

If there is no mafia in those two I'd be shocked at how off I am.

The Uncertainties

So moving onto the other two by starting with the night kill which was also unexpected for me. Rose night kill makes a good amount of sense from tessepia since rose knows tessepia best and said she was going to evaluate going into the night plus tessepia, and niphredil for that matter, need to kill odd choices to justify being alive so when the more normal kills happen it's not surprising. Tessepia isn't scummy to me but they aren't expressly villagery either and they seem like a strong enough player writing good enough posts that I want to be cautious of them.

I'd find it weird scum went for rose when people like me and niphredil had both been set up in the thread that we were unlikely to draw a lot of votes again and it makes me a bit more paranoid of niph since both of us had several people expressly say they wouldn't consider our slots moving forward. I looked back and I find a good number of niph's posts outside her wallpost significantly less towny especially on day one and I'm nervous which who she's defended, except when she took my side over Vulgard. However the timing of this is after everyone had changed to having me town and Vulgard was set to the default kill and they just called Vulgard town to start the day so I'm back to being weary.

Conclusion and Outcomes

I think the scummiest people right now are vulgard and Ichigo and therefore have the highest chance of netting us a hit, I don't see many worlds I'd believe that doesn't at least contain one. I think they could both be mafia though then the night kills are weird because they trap themselves in a corner. I think the night kill are more likely from at least on of Tess and Niph justifying being alive late because weird kills happened and then forced kills happened.

If the trio of vulgard niph and tess think the other two being mafia is weird it might just be because ichigo is mafia but they should be prepared to cross vote each other tomorrow if he isn't and they think I'm town. In that group tess feels the most invested in the outcome of most votes so I feel they would be the likeliest town there. If the mafia in that group want to come at me to fight being in the box, then come at me. I'm ready for it.

Right now I think vulgard is most likely hit in the options.

@tessepia how convinced are you still on rose being town?

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635796282 (#263)

@DoctorZeus

how come at the end of when we talked you said my longer post was very towny, as if it were a new thought? Did you not read it before and already think that?

He's on his last post so you might not get a response to this right away.

Where my heads at right now is that it felt like when I interacted with doctor it felt like I was interacting with someone excited about how they were thinking about the game and believing the things they were saying which is why I wanted to move off.

When interacting my thought was just that because I was able to interact with someone in real time I was able to find them, was surprised to see he's still people's preference.

Vulgard is weird to me because despite writing up all that content he doesn't seem attached to the game to me. My vote was honestly more pressure but between vulgard and zeus right now I'm preferring vulgard right now.

I'll be honest I'm considering moving back to ichigo who didn't do anything after he got done with halloween stuff like he said he would and he was scummy day one.

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635752708 (#241)

@Memory your other posts can be boiled down to:
- Hyde read bad from dz
- push on memory "proven wrong"
- push on memory based on lies

Is that right?

- I stand by my push on Hyde being for right reasons if wrong conclusion. D1 is broadly to be based on meta/post quality and nothing about Hyde was villagey everything wolfy.
- I still think what you did is wolfy
- you are in my poe of people who would kill catbae- alongside Vulgard, rose and kurosaki with potential for twice. That's what I'm building my world view around because it's the only solid evidence we have.

I don't think you've discounted the fact that you are tracking who reads you in what way. This is wolfy. Its the reason I voted first for you out of my poe


Fwiw I think your tete-a-tete with Vulgaed makes me pretty suss of him and less of you. He really overpushes some of his claims, and, definitely uses tmi for someone who is meant to be in the dark.
He also definitely doesn't look paired with you

Well first off I don't think your hydreigon push was bad, I agreed with him being wolfy then and thought the thing you called scummy from him made sense to be scummy, I was saying the confidence you displayed seemed unnatural because I don't think there was enough to garner high confidence in a scumread based on day one.

I already talked about the point of my disproving that I was only townread by one person

Am I in the poe soely because I was less active and would be more likely to miss a kill and let it rand? Because I have enough awareness of the game to make sure to put in a kill, that wouldn't be something I'd miss. I don't see my motivation for killing catbae and explained why in 232

Alright fine though you didn't give any indication of me tracking how I was being part of your reasoning and I still hardly think being of aware of it is that difficult.


I don't know vulgard had pretty detailed reasoning and pushed it pretty hard, a number the times I've seen tunnels like that they've come from town but maybe. I would agree we shouldn't be likely to be paired in other people's view but since I'm one of the parties I can't speak to that.

Since you don't think we are paired what do you think of twice's reaction to vulgard's wall saying it could be a tmi bus? Asking in terms of Twice's alignment.

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635750982 (#239)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635721259 (#222)

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635717961 (#201)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635717737 (#198)

Rose Ichigo Catbae and Niphredil all have me town, or in catbae's case had me town.

I just don't think this is true. I've gone through everyone's posts yesterday, and it wasn't true, and just read todays, and again, don't think they do ever say this.

First off, even if this were true how would it even make me mafia? You think I'm a wolf because I think people found me townier than they did?

Secondly catbae's and ichigo's were from day one because that's the only time they posted but the other two made it pretty clear they had me town today, correctly mind you.

Originally Posted by niphredil 1635636246 (#164)

townreads i actually feel somewhat good about rn: scipio, catbae

townreads that i do not feel at all strongly about, but have as somewhat towny anyway: memory, rose

unreadable/inactive/lhf (can be of any alignment, but not my first choice for wolf still): ichigo, sherlock

probably one wolf between these two: tess, twice

wolf: dz

Originally Posted by niphredil 1635636246 (#164)

memory is like. i cannot blame them for the hydre vote like at all, bc afaict they've not played with hydre before. so it's very understandable to think it's a wolf. so yeah. (but also very easy target for wolf!memory. so it's whatever)
mostly what i remember of memory is that they had some long walls, that. weren't bad, but didn't really seem that obviously towny to me either. like legit the only thing i can townread is that one comment about wanting to see more posts. which... is not much, tbh. i think this is around the same tier with rose where i just want to townread the slot for some single posts etc, but don't have any actual reasons to like. actually believe in the read that i have.

Originally Posted by Rose Disco 1635662077 (#170)

the way Memory seemed to care about their townread on catbae (it was basically the first thing they said, and then when i went from light scumreading to townreading catbae they specifically said they were glad i'd come around to that opinion) doesn't seem like someone who would then kill catbae

Originally Posted by Rose Disco 1635662636 (#173)

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635662355 (#172)

I actually just don't know what to make of the NK at all

Idk why you think Memory reading Cat in the way they dead means they wouldn't NK them

i think they way they showed investment in their read of catbae they would have rather had them in the game to both interact with them and to try to push their read in a towny way (as they did interacting with me)

catbae may have also just been killed for being townread by a lot of people and no other reason, and there are two wolves so one person having some reason not to kill them doesn't really guarantee anything, so it's not hugely worth townreading anyone for

Originally Posted by catbae 1635489367 (#76)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635458741 (#59)

I thought opening up with a scum push against the grain of what was said recently is more towny and I don't think you did it in a way that looked like trying to gain credit or because you needed to think of a way to get in the game. Just read like you having a read and sharing it and the nature of it was towny to me.

Mmm, decent enough answer, you pass.

This is the last thing they said about me.

Originally Posted by Kurosaki Ichigo 1635537598 (#118)

Originally Posted by catbae 1635536636 (#113)

Can scum not write posts without unnecessary words?

Yes, scum can play in many ways, but in day 1 of a game I tend to go with my gut, and do a more solid read as the game goes on.
I think the way Memory asked the question shows his intention to solve me, and this is villagery

You misunderstand me. It's wolfy to track who townreads you. Wolves have greater motivation to track how they're being read. It makes the nk easier.

That you are tracking it, and to my eyes, were misrepresenting it, is wolfy because:
- your doing what wolves do
- your lying about it

Double the wolfiness.

I also think your overreading ppl when you say ppl village read you but I can understand where you are coming from

There's only five pages, I've tracked everyone's read on everyone by just reading the thread. Things people say about me are even more likely to stick. Just not even in the context of mafia most people care what others say about them, at least in my opinion, so that shouldn't be a mafia specific thing to be aware of. In context I only mentioned that they explained why they thought it for vulgard so he'd stop withholding his wolfread for information that was already there.

Responding to the part saying I was lying about how people read me... you now know I was right because I linked you the quotes of their reads. If you still have me mafia why aren't you addressing that? The posts have people directly saying they thought I was more likely town and why they thought it.

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635717961 (#201)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635717737 (#198)

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635716422 (#193)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635707808 (#182)

@Vulgard everyone who's townread me already explained why, if you want I can compile it for you but I think you can check yourself since the thread is short enough.

Shouldn't hold off your explanation, genuinely can't see how anyone can have that opinion on my posts so far.

1 person town read you btw. It was Kurosaki, not a very widely town read player.

This post is quite wolf tbh

Rose Ichigo Catbae and Niphredil all have me town, or in catbae's case had me town.

I just don't think this is true. I've gone through everyone's posts yesterday, and it wasn't true, and just read todays, and again, don't think they do ever say this.

Alright so here's what I think is wolfy from doctorzeus. His entire pressure on me is on the basis that I mentioned that people had explained their townreads on me and he believed that I wasn't townread and therefore me acting like I was makes me a wolf.

The most obvious problem is the blatant lie that he rad their posts from today and couldn't find where they townread me from day 2 since the only thing niphredil did today was post a list which it's incredibly easy to find their reads on people from and rose who had a whole conversation with tess about me where tess had me wolfy and rose had me towny.

The second scummy thing from this is that whether or not I was right about people having townread me... shouldn't actually matter. If I was unaware of how the thread viewed me why would that make me more likely to be mafia, wouldn't the immediate conclusion be that I was just not paying attention or misinterpreting what people said about me? I even offered to quote the posts where people said how they viewed me and then did.

The next thing is I actually did point out where the people who had me town called me it to the doctor and he ignored it and both unvoted me and went right back without acknowledging the quotes I gave him proving I was in fact right. I think this shows a lack of care whether the reasons for his push are actually correct.

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635720941 (#220)

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635635013 (#160)

lol what

well I expected to die like 90% of the time

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635720025 (#217)

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719919 (#213)

I read catbae when they weren't killed yet, but they were an obvious villager. I'm not surprised by the nightkill at all and I don't know why other people are.

wolves forgoing SPK is very informative

I'm potentially rage wolf-reading tess for her rudeness now but these two posts could be w!Tess trying to highlight how weird the wolf night kill was because imo, the wolf night kill does kinda clear her.
Could be some fps move she's made to try and get town read.

I think this entire thought process is very wonky in the sense he's saying he believes tessepia is cleared from the nightkill but at the same time he's talking about how he's evaluating what she's doing as potentially scummy.

This to me looks like he's saying any thoughts he can come up with about the game but doesnt actually believe what he's saying in the sense that if he thinks she's cleared he wouldn't be reading into wolf motivation.

If he said he thought it made her more likely town it'd be a different story but that's not what he said.

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635723092 (#230)

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635722294 (#228)

I suppose looking back at it though no one particularly town read me yesterday so part of my prescription there could need a change in perspective

I also said this

and more

but you go "first thought about the night kill one minute into the day was Tess is surprised she wasn't killed and that's the only thing that matters here"

There's no point in us talking about it anymore.

I think the nk makes you more likely to be a villager.

I found your instant reactions wolfy and explained why.

I think your long explainer post you refer to is quite villagey, and makes good points.

It's possible to think all things because I don't know your alignment.


I'm off to bed and thus chat has used lots of our posts, probably unnecessarily given we have similarish conclusions and are the only ones to actually try and decipher the nk. There's something in that

Next post is essentially a response to what I said where the perspective is fixed to be a correct villager's perspective but the way he went about it saying this earlier wasn't like this.

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635408821 (#26)

1) Niph's post here I like

Originally Posted by niphredil 1635379888 (#14)

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1635378479 (#13)

niphredil's first post is probably >randtown

lol?

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1635378479 (#13)

Twice also towny if his vote on me is following the thought process that I think it's following

this feels kinda towny tbh XD

2) Rose-Tess chat here is "buddying" in a way that could be wolfy by one of them

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635382606 (#16)

just saw rose disco's in the game, now I feel good about the playerlist

No more posts from me until people do stuff

Originally Posted by Rose Disco 1635399456 (#25)

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635399194 (#24)

Originally Posted by Rose Disco 1635398863 (#23)

i think she'll probably townread me regardless of her alignment.

is that cause that's what you think I'd do even if you're a wolf, or because you're town?

i think if you're town you'll townread me because i'm town, and if you're a wolf you'll probably put me in your town to try to work with me & maybe pocket me.

3) I'm open to this being wolfy by Hyde

Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 1635386561 (#19)

Originally Posted by Mafia Host 1635383185 (#18)

Vote by Proxy

Originally Posted by Scipio1

##Vote Hydreigon25

It is now 9:06:25 PM EDT on Wednesday, October 27th, 2021. There are 1635548460000 remaining.

Why @Scipio1

4) Hello memory, glad your back, who ever you are. I like the fact you're being aggressive, and, that I agree and disagree with what you say!

Originally Posted by Memory 1635393969 (#21)

Hi everyone, been awhile since I've played this game so looking forward to it. I have played before under a different name, its a secret, but I don't think anyone here would know me.

Originally Posted by catbae 1635390768 (#20)

Hewwo~ o(*>ω<*)o

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1635378479 (#13)

niphredil's first post is probably >randtown

I disagree, out of the people to post so far, her posts ping me the most!

##Vote niphredil

I think this entry push is >rand to come from town which is the strongest feeling I have so far.

Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 1635383148 (#17)

Originally Posted by niphredil 1635379888 (#14)

Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk 1635377251 (#11)

so apparently the postcap is 20

1. how do you feel in general right now
2. how do feel about this game right now
3. how do you feel about how you feel right now
4. how do you feel about the playerlist right now

im vt

i feel your questions are boring

Someone that has the same opinion as me regarding the questions from Twice Shrunk

This is agreeable in a scummy way. Seems like trying to get in agreement with niphredil about something of little impact to our alignments.

##Vote Hydreigon25

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635382579 (#15)

Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk 1635377251 (#11)

so apparently the postcap is 20

1. how do you feel in general right now
2. how do feel about this game right now
3. how do you feel about how you feel right now
4. how do you feel about the playerlist right now

im vt

1. forgot this game started so disappointed I didn't get more to come back to
2. (1)
3. nothing
4. bad

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635382606 (#16)

just saw rose disco's in the game, now I feel good about the playerlist

No more posts from me until people do stuff

I have have no opinion on you from this but should I expect you and rose disco to know a good amount about how to read each other?

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1635378479 (#13)

niphredil's first post is probably >randtown
Twice also towny if his vote on me is following the thought process that I think it's following

Can you explain these? I didn't think either were really telling posts myself so maybe you saw something I didn't?

Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk 1635377251 (#11)

so apparently the postcap is 20

1. how do you feel in general right now
2. how do feel about this game right now
3. how do you feel about how you feel right now
4. how do you feel about the playerlist right now

im vt

I feel good.
I feel excited about this game.
I feel excited about feeling excited.
I don't have an opinion on the playerlist for obvious reasons.

5) Solid entry by Rose. I think its a good look to say things like "I don't like this, but its not scummy." Shows actual game solving. I like that she had the same take on Memory's post. I like that she's getting people to extrapolate

Originally Posted by Rose Disco 1635398863 (#23)

it's a great feeling forgetting about this game and not having to catch up on 11 pages

started a new job today. (not fully started, some onboarding and training.) it'll be nice to have money again

Originally Posted by catbae 1635390768 (#20)

Hewwo~ o(*>ω<*)o

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1635378479 (#13)

niphredil's first post is probably >randtown

I disagree, out of the people to post so far, her posts ping me the most!

##Vote niphredil

tell me more, friend

Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 1635378021 (#12)

Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk 1635377251 (#11)

so apparently the postcap is 20

1. how do you feel in general right now
2. how do feel about this game right now
3. how do you feel about how you feel right now
4. how do you feel about the playerlist right now

im vt

Question #3 doesn't make any sense in my opinion

don't like this post but i'm not certain it's scummy

Originally Posted by Memory 1635393969 (#21)

Hi everyone, been awhile since I've played this game so looking forward to it. I have played before under a different name, its a secret, but I don't think anyone here would know me.

Originally Posted by catbae 1635390768 (#20)

Hewwo~ o(*>ω<*)o

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1635378479 (#13)

niphredil's first post is probably >randtown

I disagree, out of the people to post so far, her posts ping me the most!

##Vote niphredil

I think this entry push is >rand to come from town which is the strongest feeling I have so far.

Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 1635383148 (#17)

Originally Posted by niphredil 1635379888 (#14)

Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk 1635377251 (#11)

so apparently the postcap is 20

1. how do you feel in general right now
2. how do feel about this game right now
3. how do you feel about how you feel right now
4. how do you feel about the playerlist right now

im vt

i feel your questions are boring

Someone that has the same opinion as me regarding the questions from Twice Shrunk

This is agreeable in a scummy way. Seems like trying to get in agreement with niphredil about something of little impact to our alignments.

##Vote Hydreigon25

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635382579 (#15)

Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk 1635377251 (#11)

so apparently the postcap is 20

1. how do you feel in general right now
2. how do feel about this game right now
3. how do you feel about how you feel right now
4. how do you feel about the playerlist right now

im vt

1. forgot this game started so disappointed I didn't get more to come back to
2. (1)
3. nothing
4. bad

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635382606 (#16)

just saw rose disco's in the game, now I feel good about the playerlist

No more posts from me until people do stuff

I have have no opinion on you from this but should I expect you and rose disco to know a good amount about how to read each other?

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1635378479 (#13)

niphredil's first post is probably >randtown
Twice also towny if his vote on me is following the thought process that I think it's following

Can you explain these? I didn't think either were really telling posts myself so maybe you saw something I didn't?

Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk 1635377251 (#11)

so apparently the postcap is 20

1. how do you feel in general right now
2. how do feel about this game right now
3. how do you feel about how you feel right now
4. how do you feel about the playerlist right now

im vt

I feel good.
I feel excited about this game.
I feel excited about feeling excited.
I don't have an opinion on the playerlist for obvious reasons.

lightly like this whole post. but i don't agree on catbae.

tess thinks i'm easy to read, i don't think she's easy to read. so you don't have to trust me on my read of her. i think she'll probably townread me regardless of her alignment.

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635382606 (#16)

just saw rose disco's in the game, now I feel good about the playerlist

No more posts from me until people do stuff

hi

I will vote ##Vote Hydreigon25 for "reasons" now

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635421163 (#29)

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1635417063 (#27)

I just read one of hydreigon's past town games and I don't really scumread them anymore.

I think this is a mistake btw. Hydes play is evolving and has been for a while.

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635408821 (#26)

Rose-Tess chat here is "buddying" in a way that could be wolfy by one of them

Talk more about this? Especially the end of the sentence

Tess and Rose had a lot of cosying up that can often come from a wolf looking to gain village pals. I don't know which way this will fall but I worry about it and am watching it.



Being restricted on posts goes so against how I play. Mads.

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635446268 (#43)

I'm super confident about my vote fwiw

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635488304 (#73)

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635487701 (#72)

@DoctorZeus why are you wolf reading Hydreigon? You've played with him

So, his meta is evolving. People used to think he was a player who as a wolf just 0 posted. But I then saw him as a villager do it, and, have seen him wolf and post.

His meta is evolving and the idea he 0 posts as a wolf is wrong

So, I go back to his actual play- he's not actually engaging. He's just asking questions that fake enaggaemnt and popping to the thread without really being here.

It's a wolf tell in a standard person and especially one for Hyde


Also!!! Hi tess.

I think in hindsight the confidence he had in this read was unwarranted especially when it was based on something pretty minor. For instance I felt I had come to reads day one on several people but did not think I was given adequate information to have concrete unwavering opinions so it's weird to me that he did.

Originally Posted by niphredil 1635636246 (#164)

some random stuff from night.

@Scipio1 you were townreading twice yesterday? can you explain that read? (and do you still believe in it?)


this is going to be a lot of words that is literally just written off of memory and not likely to actually mean much, but i'll post it anyways. going to spoiler it because lol. (it's way too long and i'm sorry XD)

okay so hydre town, not very surprising

if tess dies tonight, i'm probably just sheeping her onto twice

because i do see how twice might be a wolf. esp with the hydre townflip.

i don't think this makes ichigo wolfy.
(i still think hydre was better kill than ichigo, tbh. regardless of him flipping town. lol)

someone said ichigo's different to the previous ultralights. i agree. but i dont think its ai really. more likely its just a result of him having less time. or smth. i don't really think anything ichigo's done is wolfy, tbh. like the way he started questioning me about my read on scipio... might very easily be just town who wanted to engage with stuff? (or wolf, who tried to do the same) he didn't seem to have a good understanding of the game, is pretty much the only thing i can actually get out of that, tbh. i don't think it's wolfy for him.
like i really also dont see what is wolf!ichigo's motivation about suddenly scumreading scipio (who's like the most consensus townread in the game rn). except if ichigo's not aware enough about the gamestate. which is very possible, considering his posts tbh. i'm actually a bit disappointed he wasn't there to answer to stuff when i explained the scipio townread etc
i don't really want to push ichigo tomorrow, for reasons. which kinda is that i don't think he's really wolfy lol, but also because just pushing the lhf is incredibly boring and i don't think all wolves are lhf and yeah. we just need to get some discussion about other ppl too, yesterday i mean all wagons were between hydre/ichigo, so i don't really think we got much out of the day entirely. bc like everyone knew where it was ending regardless. so whatever.
kinda what i think of ichigo is that he's capable of better than this regardless of alignment? so the fact that he's not doing that should not mean much. might actually mean town tbh, bc as wolf he'd have more pressure to look towny.
this is not something that i am actually going to townread him for. but i. kinda. just do not think he is a wolf. i am not capable of explaining why, and i have like exactly no confidence in that because it's a dumb gut feeling or smth. but yeah. will keep him as poe, bc like realistically ichigo is just null. but it's still not going to be the first slot that i'm going to look at. whatever.

scipio is probably still just town, but tbh his low activity is making me somewhat paranoid. but whatever. i don't think it's smth i want to pursue rn anyways.

twice i'm getting far more paranoid about, tbh. i really just cannot in good faith keep townreading him for very long, if he's not explaining anything and keeps pushing poe that i do not agree with. but it's whatever. he's acting different about it than in the game he wolfed in. but i also heard he "broke his meta" in the mentor game but i have no idea what that means in practice wrt his play lol, so dunno if i should be reading him on meta. and even otherwise he probably does not play exactly the same in every wolfgame, so lmao. whatever, i thought he was towny because his attitude with that poe thing etc was to not post anything in thread, but instead he was doing it more for himself. which seemed towny, bc it felt like he's not trying to get townread for it. but instead is .. doing it for himself. yeah i'm repeating myself. lol. but it seemed more of a town attitude anyways, to have stuff for himself but not post anything about it in thread.
but i'd like never sheep his reads anyway, his poe includes like only lhf at this point and i.. do not believe it's full lhf team.
also this is a read i think i can very well be wrong about. whatever. if tess gets nk'd, i'll probably start seriously look at twice. possibly just outright sheep it bc lazy lol. but whatever.

dz i really just. do not see at all why he's towny lol. i think his read on hydre did not really seem natural at all. i explained the meta read discredit thing (or at least tried, lol). but even otherwise. it's. if his read on hydre is that thing he said in p#75 (lol i just remembered that postnum XD) about hydre not posting reads and wolfy emojis and so on. he started the scumread earlier than where it should have been clear hydre's not doing that. i don't like him having pointed so much that "hydre's scummeta is not 0 posting anymore" because well. no one had said it was that. just that hydre's townmeta is to be wolfy as well. and that feels more like an excuse. that metaread that he gave, i mean.
it really just seems like he had decided already that he wants to scumread hydre, and like. yeah. just... i dont think the confidence/timing/whatever on that read matched with the reasons he had. especially for someone who's played with hydre before, and supposedly knows his meta is to be really wolfy regardless of alignment.
(i do keep worrying that maybe he's just town who confbiased himself with that read. but idk.)
even outside of the hydre stuff. i don't think anything he's done is towny. it's not wolfy, really. but just.. not towny. like some very basic reads that can be faked, or smth.

tess. i think her attitude on a lot of the stuff is towny. i think her reads are bad. this has me having a pretty conflicted read on her overall. because well. yeah.
i literally just think tess's only scumreads being the two lhf slots (hydre and ichgo) is really bad. i didnt like me/twice being the next tier. i mean i'm getting less confident on the twice read all the time, and if twice is actually wolf then it's not bad at all. if twice is town, though, then i really just have no idea what has tess been doing. and that seems wolfy to me. that her reads are far too level 1, i mean. (also somewhat selfish but i dislike her not townreading me lol. i don't think i'm hard to read, and that she's not able to see i'm town is not very good. esp if she was actually looking at my meta. lol)
i think her attitude about some of that stuff was good. i mean, stuff like explaining the dz townread in more detail so ppl wouldnt misunderstand it. assuming ppl would sheep her because she's actually doing stuff. (i mean i dont think she's really done enough this game for that to be a realistic thought, but that she thinks so is probably towny). (yes i'm aware i'm saying this while also considering just sheeping her reads XD). something other stuff like that, which seems like it's the mindset about the game that i'd be expecting from town!her. and she had some nuances in some reads, which seemed she might've been actually thinking of stuff, tho she's good enough of a player i don't actually think that really matters anything wrt her alignment.
so yea idk i'm overall just pretty conflicted about her lmao. but it's whatever. i think there is some chance she's right about twice and gets nk'd for that lmao. or that she's wrong about twice but gets nk'd anyway. and i kinda just hope that that happens lol, bc i don't really know how i should be reading her otherwise.

rose. i dont remember much of her, tbh. she had some post that i liked but overall it was for pretty weak reasons i think (i dont even remember exactly what it was XD). smth about liking more the overall post formatting than anything about the actual content lol. but whatever. i actually somewhat liked her eod, for no good reasons
whatever. overall one of my weakest townleans i guess, bc i don't have anything actual stuff i could justify this read with. but i think it's a gut townread anyway and i for some reason don't want to give up on that read XD

i'm starting to forget what i've even talked about already lmao

sherlock obviously there is exactly nothing to talk about. tbh very dumb read, but he might've felt more need to actually write the catch-up he promised, if he was a wolf. but like, i have no reasons why he didn't, and might be just irl stuff etc so yeah this is dumb. null.

catbae seems towny, just because there's been a lot of stuff in his posts that i've been able to agree with. some things that he said about hydre at eod, for example. like that thing about having an urge to kill hydre every time hydre posts smth non-relevant stuff, even tho he didn't think it was ai for hydre. which is pretty much exactly how i felt about it too. and so on. what he posted about ichigo's meta at eod was good. because it was clear he's been actually looking at the meta, but did not make any posts about it, and it was just some small mention somewhere, so clearly not trying to get towncred for effort. so looked like actual solving. idk in general his posts felt towny lol, i don't really remember much details from anything else he's said tho.
this... is not a read i'm going to lock in at all here. but i feel pretty comfortable about having him as town rn anyway.

memory is like. i cannot blame them for the hydre vote like at all, bc afaict they've not played with hydre before. so it's very understandable to think it's a wolf. so yeah. (but also very easy target for wolf!memory. so it's whatever)
mostly what i remember of memory is that they had some long walls, that. weren't bad, but didn't really seem that obviously towny to me either. like legit the only thing i can townread is that one comment about wanting to see more posts. which... is not much, tbh. i think this is around the same tier with rose where i just want to townread the slot for some single posts etc, but don't have any actual reasons to like. actually believe in the read that i have.

i'm tired. whatever. i don't even remember who else is in the game lmao, but yeah that's probably irrelevant. probably no one of whom i had like any opinions about XD
okay i checked and apparently i've actually listed everyone already lmao

from what i get out of this then. scipio/catbae i'm just saying are town rn.

memory/rose is probably the next tier? that's not very good tbh. in the sense of my reads, i mean. if we're past d1 and i have exactly two townreads that i feel even somewhat good about. but whatever.

sherlock. ichigo. tess. dz. twice. i guess is the null tier/poe/whatever. and it's too many people in here
i really do not understand how twice has been able to get that many confident townreads in this game tbh, and at this point kinda wondering if it's just tmi. like i mean i am usually the person who townreads the entire game lmao, but this game that's just. like. impossible.

anyway, out of those. i am going to say dz is a wolf. like he's had wolfy stuff, and is also like the only one who i have literally nothing to townread him for (except maybe some "sheep others". but i don't want to sheep ppl this game. don't think it'd really have good results here, when like everyone's poe seems to be just "lhf's are wolves", and i really do not believe that to be the case. like i thougth if there was a wolf in the lhf tier, it was hydre (instead of like ichigo/sherlock). and hydre flipped town. so yeah. not really feeling good at all about the idea of just going to ichigo or whatever next.)

cannot really say who is the other. dz/twice might actually work, i think. i also thought of dz/tess at some point. (and dz/rose was some early-game read that i never said, but i don't really think that's the case rn. not impossible, tho. whatever).
it might be sherlock. that's the most boring world. or ichigo, but idk. i kinda don't want to go to ichigo still. because yeah. i mean i hope ichigo's just gonna start posting more tomorrow, so he'll be actually readable.
if i say it's twice? that might work. and has the advantage of not having no-posters/lhf's in the team. (which. always feels a bit too easy/convenient solution. "dont know who is the wolf, so throw the no-poster in the scumteam guess". not very relevant rn though lmao)
or it might be tess lol. i. think tess has had enough towny points anyway? like i'm still considering her as wolf because her reads definitely haven't felt like they're good. but not where i'm voting first? i think?
(i kinda feel there might just be one between tess/twice. for reasons. like. if tess is town, she might just know what she's talking about wrt twice being wolf. if tess's reads are totally wrong tho (basically this means, if twice is town XD), she is probably more likely to be just wolf)

so yeah. rn think it's dz + one of tess/twice. some chance of sherlock/ichigo but don't want to go there rn anyway. (also some chance i'm wrong on the townread tier too, but whatever)

i'm tired lol and i'll keep just repeating stuff if i continue for longer, so ending this here. probably. lol

tldr

townreads i actually feel somewhat good about rn: scipio, catbae

townreads that i do not feel at all strongly about, but have as somewhat towny anyway: memory, rose

unreadable/inactive/lhf (can be of any alignment, but not my first choice for wolf still): ichigo, sherlock

probably one wolf between these two: tess, twice

wolf: dz


might actually reread everything later, because that was just off of memory, and like. i probably should actually reread people's post to see if i forgot smth important or anything.
but that's where i'm at rn anyways

##Vote DoctorZeus


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i went to read twice's last ultralight game (where he was town). i read like the first three posts only lol, but he's like... incredibly different. i mean, different to the point of where it really just cannot even be AI but instead him intentionally having different playstyle.
i think it might be wolfy, still? bc that game there did exist some intent at solving. with asking questions etc, and so on. even if he had the same attitude of not wanting to explain his reads. he was actually doing stuff in thread that game. and it might be wolfy that he's not doing anything like that now.
(and esp in game that's postcapped and has like nothing happening, i think the decision of playing in a way that does not help anything at all is. anti-town at the very least, but like. probably also more likely to come from wolf)


actually
##Vote Twice Shrunk

I had you towny from this post before I even opened the spoiler but including the inner content I think it's just unfakable. Some might even think I have tmi level confidence on this townread.

##Vote Absinthe.

This might be a bit silly but I legitimately think this slot is both wolfy and has the highest chance of being the recluse who's mafia's strongest role because of their lost wolf soft things. I think I gave them too much credit yesterday since the pool they wanted was like mafmen and sohijk with a further consideration of myself before I had posted content or anything like that.

Them ending the day approving of a sheep townread just felt weird and I keep seeing random posts from them that seem scummy whenever I'm reading other people.

IE: Chelsea quoting absinthe townreading someone for posting question marks and lamps points about absinthe misrepresenting things which seemed more accurate to lamb's perspective on read through.

Also nobody is pushing this despite how many people voiced suspicion which in itself is weird to me.

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox 1635732157 (#1427)

if there's a wolf in memory/chelsea, it's chelsea

Now there's a statement I agree with.

Actually I did find the answer to the question I was about to ask so nevermind

Originally Posted by Chelsea 1635730523 (#1415)

Lmk when we can get the obvious wolf who is just posting for the sake of it here and making surface-level reads instead of trying to solve.

I get you can't fully catch up, but if you want to wolf read me out of all the posts you quote it's the one where the answer is already stated in the quote and you. . .just requote it? Doesn't feel like you're trying to solve at all.

Where are the thoughts on Vorros or even more on Crimson/Palm. You're avoiding the main argument of the day for no reason.

The only answer there is you saying you're not going to do it, if I missed something you're going to have to clarify it.

I don't know what the main argument of the day is, I'm reading my own suspects and how they progressed which is the most relevant thing to me. Palm didn't post today and I gave a pretty detailed opinion on him already yesterday.

I hadn't focused on vorros because he wasn't as much of a priority iso and there was no reasons he should be.

Originally Posted by Chelsea 1635730747 (#1416)

Maybe Sheep is just a meh villa. They don't really seem to be like, trying at all. LOL

I man yeah I think his attitude has been that of a villager while yours has been wolfy. But here let me prepare a better question for you.

##Vote Chelsea

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox 1635729697 (#1406)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635729657 (#1404)

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox 1635729517 (#1401)

so what's with the proxy

Hi new person, you're pretty suspected right now so give us your best please.

Would be interested in your thoughts on Chelsea and Absinthe specifically.

okay...they are people in this game

Once you've read them and have reads there.

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox 1635729517 (#1401)

so what's with the proxy

Hi new person, you're pretty suspected right now so give us your best please.

Would be interested in your thoughts on Chelsea and Absinthe specifically.

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635628846 (#1138)

Originally Posted by Chelsea 1635625851 (#1126)

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635625751 (#1121)

Here's how it looks for me :

TOWN

Me
Absinthe,animegirl,maf
Chelsea
Memory
Variance
Palm,Sheep,Vorros

MAFIA

Why is Absinthe so high?

She voted for me today. If she was Mafia she wouldn't have so readily voted for me given that I could've been the JOAT. But then again, I think if she was the JOAT herself she could vote for me though. I'm willing to believe that anime girl genuinely is paranoid/overthinking/worrying sort of person and if that's the case then she definetely wouldn't have voted for me (cause the possibility of me being JOAT)as a Mafia. Similar to Absinthe, anime girl probably could be the JOAT herself but definitely isn't Mafia though. Maf feels like a townie.

TOWN

maf,Memory,Chelsea
Variance
Absinthe,animegirl
Sheep,Vorros
Palm

MAFIA

^This is better I think.

Placing Memory high because as far as I remember he did try to make some substantial reads and contribute but IIRC he also made a quick heel turn on Palm vote and voted someone else. Maybe I should place him lower. But I'll go re-read his reason for removing the vote on palm/voting someone else.

Variance feels townie while I didn't like his post on Abshinthe he told us that we had to go read some background on Absinthe for his post to make more sense/get what he's talking about.

Sheep, IIRC said that he can provide elaborate reads for everyone right at the beginning which he never did when I asked for them and that's all I remember about him.

I don't know about Vorros.

Palm I feel was reluctant to vote on me and also, I didn't like the whole "crumbling" deal that he had with Maf (?) (Don't remember this gotta re-read that part) He pretty much went onto saying that "Oh I'm not crumbling, you're crumbling" and was very pushy about Maf or whoever that was, was Mafia by saying that "He couldd be onto something here". He also did this "we could be onto something guys" kindof "forced" thing else where as Memory, I think, noted.

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635720772 (#1367)

Originally Posted by Absinthe. 1635719319 (#1336)

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635372647 (#54)

I'm guessing among sOHiJK and Memory, one of them is town and the other a JOAT because they voted so early. If they were Mafia-whatever role they wouldn't have done that as there's a recluse modified JOAT in the game which means they could be accidentally pressuring a fellow Mafia JOAT who is hidden. There's no Mafia Goon or Tracker in there. There could be a Mafia JOAT in there though who is trying to put pressure on a town. And a town in there who's just trying to get the game going. I think it's probably likely that a JOAT would be in the best position to put pressure on someone since they know who his/her Mafia buddies are and also who are not Mafia players (town).

Though, can someone tell me what Mafia Tracker does? And also about how Lovers work? And also I don't understand what proxy voting does.

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635372997 (#55)

If Lovers in this forum are a two man team who can win the game on their own and communicate like Mafia as well, then I guess instead of a Town Non-Lover and JOAT combination, it could be a Lover and a JOAT among Memory and sOHiJK. Lover doesn't lose anything as long as they pressure someone who's NOT his/her fellow lover so they're in a pretty good position to pressure someone early as well.

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635373483 (#60)

Originally Posted by sOHiJK 1635373054 (#57)

are your thighs tired yet? you've been jumping from conclusion to conclusion pretty quickly

I mean, I'm just saying what the likely possiblities are. You don't think a recluse-JOAT would be in the best position to pressure Town early given he would know more about people's alignment than anyone does in the early game?

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635376580 (#107)

Originally Posted by SheepButBad 1635375974 (#97)

Yeet got sniped big time phone writing is hard

Ohio town lamper scum

So, because Puree agreed with me it's more likely that I'm scum with him? That we both just were trying to say that someone among sOHiJK and Memory is a JOAT and were actually trying to get a town eliminated? Why would it be so "obvious" that we're trying to get someone eliminated so early in the game?

If it's not this then I'd like to know why you think what you do think.

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635379269 (#150)

Originally Posted by SheepButBad 1635377739 (#126)

The last part feels very odd considering maf tracker is an easy role to get, especially compared to joat whatever, I think there being a recluse shouldn't affect scum hunting from scum and it feels weird you'd say that considering it's not a permanent attack

I didn't know what a Mafia Tracker does AT ALL. I know what a JOAT is because someone explained what it does in the sign-up thread. And although it's not a "permanent attack" would you really want to pressure someone who could potentially be a JOAT? It's probably a safe play by the non-JOAT Mafia to not be so eager to vote at all right in the beginning of the game. They'd probably wait for the game to progress a little to get more information which could be useful in them trying to not get a JOAT eliminated.

Though, if Town lucks out and gets a blind wagon on a Mafia JOAT going then there's little that Mafia can do since they don't really know if the person who's being Wagon-ed is a fellow Mafia who is a JOAT to steer the wagon away from killing the JOAT.

What about towns to get the ball rolling, because there's no caution except being wrong

Sure, Town can get the ball rolling but they don't know the alignment of the people as well as a recluse Mafia JOAT does. JOAT doesn't risk pressuring a Mafia player and actually risks nothing. While Town can risk placing a bangwagon on a fellow Town and potentially get him/her eliminated. So I'd say JOAT is in the best position to make a risk-free vote and a potential bandwagon on a non-Mafia going.

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635380344 (#161)

Originally Posted by Vorros 1635378963 (#141)

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635373483 (#60)

I mean, I'm just saying what the likely possiblities are. You don't think a recluse-JOAT would be in the best position to pressure Town early given he would know more about people's alignment than anyone does in the early game?

Following this conclusion, JOAT wouldnt want to do that because it would reveal to the rest of the scum who all the scum is by analyzing who he isn't pressuring. JOAT wants to skim so that he can stay relatively hidden because as town, we can conclude that the people backing up the supposed JOAT are mafia. In other words, if JOAT reveals himself to maf, then he reveals himself to town as well.

True, I guess that's a downside and risk that JOAT would be taking by pressuring people that way.

I don't really understand the part with Maf, you mean mafia and not MafMen right?

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635450765 (#697)

Originally Posted by Absinthe. 1635449588 (#680)

Lamper is probably just mafia for continuing his solving almost completely around the JOAT.

While you can argue that Mafia would want to know who the Mafia JOAT is since most of their power is packed into the JOAT to steer a wagon away from him/her and the like, it's probably also in Town's best interest to know who the JOAT is and try to get him eliminated as soon as they can for the same reason that most of Mafia's power is packed in the JOAT.

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635452066 (#702)

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635450765 (#697)

Originally Posted by Absinthe. 1635449588 (#680)

Lamper is probably just mafia for continuing his solving almost completely around the JOAT.

While you can argue that Mafia would want to know who the Mafia JOAT is since most of their power is packed into the JOAT to steer a wagon away from him/her and the like, it's probably also in Town's best interest to know who the JOAT is and try to get him eliminated as soon as they can for the same reason that most of Mafia's power is packed in the JOAT.

It's like Ohio just ignored this lol.

I could be a Mafia who wants to know the JOAT to protect him/her, Town who wants to eliminate the JOAT or JOAT himself. I could be anyone in the role list. Which is why Absinthe saying that I'm Mafia specifically is weird.

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635452261 (#709)

Originally Posted by Absinthe. 1635452155 (#705)

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635452066 (#702)

It's like Ohio just ignored this lol.

I could be a Mafia who wants to know the JOAT to protect him/her, Town who wants to eliminate the JOAT or JOAT himself. I could be anyone in the role list. Which is why Absinthe saying that I'm Mafia specifically is weird.

Town usually wants to Eliminate wolves, but ok.

There's a "wolf" JOAT in the game where most of the roles that scum have is concentrated.

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635454724 (#723)

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635385459 (#195)

If Puri Puri Prisoner is Puree then Maf did say that he thinks one of Puree, Radishes (mr - Master Radishes) and sohijk is Mafia and he even voted Puree before the "crumbling" thing. Maf seems to be an experienced player too so he should've pressured Puree here when he was apparently, to him, was crumbling but that is assuming that MafMen plays "ruthlessly" or something like that. I mean, Puree did ask for a chance and Maf just could be removing the vote on him to give him more time to play. As for the vote, it's probably to get Master Radishes talk but then again it's kind of meaningless as well I guess since Radishes doesn't have many votes on him for him to sweat at Maf voting him too and for him to feel the pressure and participate more.

I don't know if Maf really is crumbling or is just giving more time to people. There's more reason to see that Maf is "crumbling" though I think.

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635447338 (#633)

Dunno why MafMen is spamming his posts away. I mean, he only has limited number of posts he can make and sure while the restriction is lifted near the phase end it's always good to be able to post all throughout the course of the phase although where he's spamming his posts away is just the first day phase which could be used as an excuse.

Like it's scummy to willingly spam and not want to contribute to the thread by spamming away and reducing the limited amount of posts he can make for the majority of the phase. It's dodgy.

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635449022 (#661)

Originally Posted by im from ohio 1635447700 (#638)

these are the four most relevant vote counts of the game and to be used during the rest of my play. for now, i will mention that i find the first two the most relevant but that my push on palm puree getting extreme resistance while a counter wagon on me for ??? reasons getting no resistance is a good indicator that palm puree is rand scum here. along with puri puri prisoner, sohdik and vorros vote one me and a big reminder that vorros has followed puri puri prisoner on every vote he has made so far. i'd like to keep that bit of information in my back pocket.

Vorros following Puree 4 times would be interesting if Mafia couldn't communicate in Day Phase. But when they are able to communicate all throughout the game and they do, I'd think Puree would've told Vorros to not follow his votes as obviously as he does. Then could Vorros be a JOAT who's sort of "telling" the supposedly scum Puree that he's one?

I had only two posts talking about the JOAT in the beginning of the game excluding the third post here above which had something about JOAT only in part and the rest that followed was about absinthe saying that I'm Mafia only because I was looking for the JOAT and me saying that that doesn't make much sense.

And I did say what I thought about others' behaviours as you can see here and was not solely fixated on the JOAT.

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635471189 (#838)

If I was a newbie and Mafia I think I'd talk to my fellow Mafia before I post anything (Mafia can communicate at all times) I'd talk to them about posting about JOAT and they'd probably stop me from doing that in the first place.

1) The accusation that I'm obsessed with JOAT is weird when I definitely haven't made many posts about it and the posts which are not responses to me being scummy for talking about JOAT do not count,

2) Would my fellow Mafia not stop me from talking about JOAT which means my obsession wouldn't be showing through my allegedly "many" but not "major amount" of posts.

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635621909 (#1068)

Originally Posted by Vorros 1635608133 (#1004)

The scum got lucky with the lovers kill

Originally Posted by Vorros 1635608133 (#1004)

The scum got lucky with the lovers kill

I mean it could also be the case that the recluse JOAT could've used his vigilante role to kill a townie as well besides the usual Mafia night kill and it could've just happened that both of them turned out to be lovers. I don't think it's a miskill by Town vig since I think he can't use his role at night phase?

Also, I'm curious what the town JOAT with 2 cop and 2 viglilante shots, and doc have done last night. Who did the doc protect and what did the role cop learn?

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635624706 (#1104)

Originally Posted by Absinthe. 1635624051 (#1095)

Originally Posted by my anime girl alt 1635623784 (#1094)

I tend to get these paranoid thoughts that are wrong 95% of the time but both var and lamper have done things that would be construed level 1 as indicating scum/town with Chelsea and I want to believe it's on purpose as scum/scum

So you want to believe it's w/w but you also don't think it is?

Waht's w/w? And even without knowing what w/w the point seems to be that it's me leveraging the twtbaw thing. I'd think this is Mafia piling votes on me using this but given that I could also be the Mafia JOAT it's unlikely that the actual 2 man Mafia would so readily pile votes on me. I feel like Maf, absinthe and anime girl are town. People who DON'T vote for me would be Mafia.

13 lamper quotes out of his 44 that talk about roles

Atleast 7 or so number of those posts were me defending myself. And a couple of them were me talking about roles for different reason/s.

Look, I talked about roles but I talked about them for different reasons. It just seems like you're misrepresenting what the content in the spoiler is about.

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635728648 (#1390)

Originally Posted by Absinthe. 1635727858 (#1385)

Originally Posted by Lamper 1635727251 (#1382)

Originally Posted by Absinthe. 1635715810 (#1240)

Speaking of people who are hard to kill - palm feels hard to kill.

You say that Palm is hard to kill but then you'd go onto voting for Vorros. Why won't you vote for Palm and why vote for Vorros?

I felt immediately disproven when people after that seemed to all vote palm

You've also said that you were fine with a wagon on anyone among Vorros, Palm and me. If you had seen that people were readily voting for Palm shouldn't you have jumped on that wagon instead of voting vorros?

And honestly, after #1240 we only had Variance voting for Palm and that was it (He had 2 votes on him already before Variance's vote). Other votes were on different people. ALL of the people who voted after what you said did NOT vote for Palm.

In all honesty some of these more recent lamp posts are pretty fire. I think my gut might have just been wrong when reading him initially because I already thought the logic I had didn't feel great and now I actually like what he's saying.

Would re evaluate Absinthe because this is the third person I've read where their quoted posts dont leave me with a good feeling.

The other I read again but didn't quote was palm.

There's no chance I'm catching up at this point to be honest.

I'd want to vote dragonfox now that's its under a new player who probably would be less adverse to being voted but I don't want to hammer before they can speak.

Originally Posted by Chelsea 1635610121 (#1021)

Originally Posted by MafMen 1635609959 (#1020)

Originally Posted by Chelsea 1635609792 (#1019)

Originally Posted by MafMen 1635608853 (#1012)

y are u going for people not on the wagon??

Why are you going for people on the wagon like it's a damning thing? (it's not)

do you think the wagon was all town or something?

Look, I missed basically the entire part of the phase that started to be serious but, I can gather enough context clues to see that there was almost no counter wagon going on here. And given that was on a villa, wolves most likely don't want to get their hands dirty and shift blame to people on the wagon (like you are doing right now)

If there are wolves on the wagon it's people who got off and joined again later or the non voters. History says the none voters are more likely.

People's reasoning is also important but I'm not about to go back and read all that to see each persons reasoning for the vote lololol

Originally Posted by Chelsea 1635609792 (#1019)

Originally Posted by MafMen 1635608853 (#1012)

y are u going for people not on the wagon??

Why are you going for people on the wagon like it's a damning thing? (it's not)

Originally Posted by Chelsea 1635610121 (#1021)

Originally Posted by MafMen 1635609959 (#1020)

Originally Posted by Chelsea 1635609792 (#1019)

Originally Posted by MafMen 1635608853 (#1012)

y are u going for people not on the wagon??

Why are you going for people on the wagon like it's a damning thing? (it's not)

do you think the wagon was all town or something?

Look, I missed basically the entire part of the phase that started to be serious but, I can gather enough context clues to see that there was almost no counter wagon going on here. And given that was on a villa, wolves most likely don't want to get their hands dirty and shift blame to people on the wagon (like you are doing right now)

If there are wolves on the wagon it's people who got off and joined again later or the non voters. History says the none voters are more likely.

People's reasoning is also important but I'm not about to go back and read all that to see each persons reasoning for the vote lololol

I disagree with both sentiments from mafmen and Chelsea in the sense that I don't think people should be ignored because of being on or off wagon, seems way too theoretical and since there was only one choice and it was town the mafia can be anywhere they want safely.

What I don't get is why you would not want to look into the reasons for why people ended where they did since to me that's the most important thing toward figuring them out and it seems Chelsea agrees but doesn't want to do that?

I'll be around a bit more but have to read up on what I missed now.

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635723092 (#230)

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635722294 (#228)

I suppose looking back at it though no one particularly town read me yesterday so part of my prescription there could need a change in perspective

I also said this

and more

but you go "first thought about the night kill one minute into the day was Tess is surprised she wasn't killed and that's the only thing that matters here"

There's no point in us talking about it anymore.

I think the nk makes you more likely to be a villager.

I found your instant reactions wolfy and explained why.

I think your long explainer post you refer to is quite villagey, and makes good points.

It's possible to think all things because I don't know your alignment.


I'm off to bed and thus chat has used lots of our posts, probably unnecessarily given we have similarish conclusions and are the only ones to actually try and decipher the nk. There's something in that

Just so you know I've never once forgotten about the game and would have easily been able to submit a nightkill.

While I don't think the nightkill was bad because I think catbae was towny I also don't think the nightkill is one I'd have any extra motivation to make since I got along with them in the thread and there was no implication that was going to change on their part after our most recent interaction.

Just makes the game harder for me since it was one of my original townreads.

Also your vote is still on me despite me having proven you wrong about who read me so instead I'm going to ask you to explain how you missed the reads on me from today despite having double checked?

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

The wolfiness of Memory's opener:

p#21 Memory’s entrance post is awful. Breaking it down below.

How is catbae’s early push “>rand to come from town?” No reasoning is given, and I disagree on the gut level as well. Is it catbae’s phrasing? Choice of target? Timing of the push? The townread looks like an empty read Memory felt like throwing in to look productive. Possibly TMIng catbae V as well, but I don’t think it would be clearing for catbae in a W!Memory world.

Firstly considering you made an entire case on everything I've done I'm surprised your pushing me for not having explained a read that I gave ore detail on in a response to catbae in my second post, Secondly reads from that early don't need to be three layers deep, I found what catbae did towny and guess what? I was right!

Originally Posted by Memory 1635458741 (#59)

Originally Posted by catbae 1635427406 (#34)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635393969 (#21)

Hi everyone, been awhile since I've played this game so looking forward to it. I have played before under a different name, its a secret, but I don't think anyone here would know me.

Originally Posted by catbae 1635390768 (#20)

Hewwo~ o(*>ω<*)o



I disagree, out of the people to post so far, her posts ping me the most!

##Vote niphredil

I think this entry push is >rand to come from town which is the strongest feeling I have so far.

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1635378479 (#13)

niphredil's first post is probably >randtown
Twice also towny if his vote on me is following the thought process that I think it's following

Can you explain these? I didn't think either were really telling posts myself so maybe you saw something I didn't?

My push is >rand town to you but the actual post itself wasn't really telling?

Uhm... yes? Don't know if you're suggesting I should only read people for things I agree with because my perspective would become very narrow minded.

I thought opening up with a scum push against the grain of what was said recently is more towny and I don't think you did it in a way that looked like trying to gain credit or because you needed to think of a way to get in the game. Just read like you having a read and sharing it and the nature of it was towny to me.

So yeah the presentation of the push was what was town to me and how it differed from what I thought mafia would do there. They didn't try to get credit out of having the push but they still went counter to what was just said before they came in, something that doesn't help them blend in but makes sense as town who just... has an early wolfread? You having a wrong gut feeling about catbae doesn't make my read less valid.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

Calling Hydreigon’s p#17 “agreeable in a scummy way” is an outright misinterpretation. Hydreigon was only pointing out that niphredil shared his opinion on Twice’s post, and that was that. Hydreigon wasn’t trying to buddy up with niphredil whatsoever; Memory making that claim is a complete invention. It’s creating something that looks bad where there’s nothing that should look bad.

It's not a misrepresentation

Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 1635383148 (#17)

Originally Posted by niphredil 1635379888 (#14)

Originally Posted by Twice Shrunk 1635377251 (#11)

so apparently the postcap is 20

1. how do you feel in general right now
2. how do feel about this game right now
3. how do you feel about how you feel right now
4. how do you feel about the playerlist right now

im vt

i feel your questions are boring

Someone that has the same opinion as me regarding the questions from Twice Shrunk

He's saying they thought the same thing about twice's post which is, by definition, being agreeable and of that nature it would imply that the two of them are thinking similar which in theory would make the other person feel a connection with how hydreigon was thinking. It would in fact be buddying since they would be coming from the same mindset on something and because I didn't see it as relevant to the alignment of either niph or twice I read it as wolfy buddying.

To me your argument is that hydreigon was being agreeable but not trying to buddy up to niphredil. Why? Well because hydreigon flipped town and therefor we know he wasn't buddying.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

The question to tessepia about them and Rose Disco knowing each other is also an empty question. What is the point of asking this question? Memory doesn’t even seem to care that much about the answer. It reads to me like an attempt to engage with a villager, and I’d even go as far as to claim that Memory W = Rose/tessepia >rand V/V. Memory’s question here reads like an attempt to get Rose and tessepia to focus on each other later down the line, and if Memory’s a wolf, it benefits them most to have two villagers focus on reading each other instead of focusing on finding the wolves. It’s not guaranteed, but I want to put that out there. If Rose/tessepia V/W, then Memory’s limiting the options of one of their wolf partners for no reason. “Read that person you know is a villager and who also knows you.”

You're going to explain to me how that's ever an empty question and how you think I didn't care about the answer because in follow up posts I also mention I'm looking toward tess's read on rose for my evaluation of rose.

In terms of being an empty question... no? It was implied they had more experience with each other, which common sense dictates makes their opinions on the other more relevant. This means I can get a better read on rose by looking at the conclusion tess came to which we now know is town, interestingly different from how I felt going into the night yesterday.

So the combination of tess's opinion and the fact rose had me town going into the day makes me less inclined to push there for a potential hit.

And I think knowing whether people are likely to have good reads on others is a great way to help solve them, so the question had very good purpose to me.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

Besides, “I have have” is a weird mistake to make, regardless of whether you’re a native speaker or not; I suspect that Memory was editing the post to look good and accidentally left that in from some other original phrasing.

If you haven't made this mistake before you're lying and all it means is I didn't proofread what i wrote, which is basically the opposite of what you're saying for some reason lol

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

Memory’s question aimed at Scipio is phrased in a pockety manner. “I didn't think either were really telling posts myself so maybe you saw something I didn't?” The last part is stroking Scipio’s ego in an intention to have Scipio engage with Memory and maybe walk out with a townread. I don’t think a villager immediately implies that someone might’ve seen something they didn’t. Villagers are instinctively more suspicious of the actions of others, yet this question carries the undertone of “I know you’re genuinely solving, let me know what you think.” The immediate trust is what makes the question wolfy to me. There’s no questioning of Scipio’s alignment.

The phrasing weighs in on the reads sciprio made and asks for elaboration to help me get into sciprio's head and thought process simultaneously. It's also was intended to be more pointed because if sciprio was making reads on stuff that's irrelevant for no reason it would be scummy.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

“Thanks for the response, I want to call you towny off this post from you looking into other games for a better read on the person you were pushing and the phrasing of your question to doctor seems pointed in a way I find villagery.

I would like to know more about what specifically you saw from them in the other game that made you back off here.”

Once again, the last part is super pockety toward Scipio. Memory’s treatment of Scipio is backward. Memory first trusts that Scipio’s process is genuine (doesn’t state it outright, but clearly implies it, as I outlined before), and then townreads Scipio for… ??? reasons. Notice the bolded part in the first paragraph.

It feels too vague to be true. “Pointed in a way I find villagery.” Not even “pointed questions are villagery” or anything like that, there’s apparently something specific about how pointed Scipio’s question is for Memory to townread it. ??? And of course, no elaboration is given. Once again, Memory’s posting about Scipio reeks of TMI on Scipio being town.

I said specifically I thought the way he went about his read seemed towny I didn't say i trusted it to be genuine by default but instead implied I thought he was more likely town which, yes, would mean his process was genuine, but was not automatic in how I'm listening to what he had to say.

Secondly I ask that because it gives me more insight into sciprio's process while also potentially gives me something that would help in my own process for hydreigon who I had a different read on than sciprio did after he thought hydreigon was town.

The reasons are that it felt like his question was pointed, serving purpose while not being done in a way that seemed like trying to make friends, and because he did research and flipped a reed, which is a length I thought wolves are less likely to bother going and if they did it would be to further the read they already made, not change it.

You keep throwing in the phrase "reeking of tmi", finding things towny isn't the same as knowing they are town, tmi would be treating someone is town when I have no buisness knowing that, not making a read on stuff they've done.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

Memory’s statement aimed at Rose is also pockety as heck. “I’ll keep an eye out for tess’s read on you.” ??? This really reads like Memory’s trying to make two villagers question each other while trying to pocket one of them.

This extends on the point I already made that I think people who claim to have good reads on others are more likely to be right which was clarified here to be a one way read that tess was likely to be right on rose.

I'm not in the business of ignoring responses to my questions either, I think it's common curtosy to acknowledge when people respond to things you ask them and thank them for replying.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

Memory’s treatment of Zeus seems reductive. What i mean by this is that Memory’s Zeus townread has super thin reasoning that doesn’t even make much sense when you pay more attention to it. Here’s why:

“Good variety of content on people” - Why is having varied content towny?
“Solid enough reasons for what had been posted up to this point” - Zeus’s reasons for his reads in the post quoted by Memory are the following:

Varied content with good reasons is towny because it means they're approaching and thinking about most of the game and the reasoning fitting in with what happened means it doesn't seem like what they've said is just spewing out a bunch of bull and seeing what sticks.

Yes there is thought process there from me, no it wasn't my strongest townread.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

Niph townread - no reason given at all. So, Zeus having no reason for a townread is a “solid enough reason”?
Rose-Tess read - “buddying in a way that could be wolfy for one of them.” Not even “one of them is buddying up to the other,” it’s literally “one of them could be wolfy for buddying.” Zeus can’t even decide if the buddying exists or not, he just floats the possibility, and apparently it’s a good enough reason for Memory to bring it up?
Hydreigon read - “open to this being wolfy.” This isn’t even a scumread, and there’s no reasoning. Again, Memory considering this a solid enough reason is complete nonsense.
Memory read - “I agree and disagree with what you say.” Not a read. Not even reasoning.
Rose read - “Actual gamesolving, agree with her memory take, gets people to extrapolate.” This is all level 0. “She’s genuinely solving the game!” “I agree with her!” “She’s prodding!” That’s all well and good, but it doesn’t strike me as a very good string of reasoning, merely a decent one. It’s the only read Zeus made in his opening post that I could see Memory townreading him for, but the others are all underexplained and outright nonsensical.

Memory calling these reads and reasons from Zeus “solid enough” is a huge question mark for me. It simply makes no sense.

“helps they agree with my scumread and liked my post in a way I'm interpreting as calling me towny from it.” - ‘They agree with me, so they’re town.’ ‘They liked my post, so they’re town.’ ‘They called me town, so they’re town.’ This might read as me misinterpreting the post on purpose, but that really is what Memory’s saying. And again, it makes no sense. How could any of those things possibly be town indicative for Zeus?

Yeah I also mentioned that I saw he didn't expressly say he had a read on the person but instead talked exclusively about their posts but I interpreted it as being implied there were reads behind those and those I don't think are too hard to interpret from what he said.

Also he said he liked that I'm being aggressive which I took to mean as finding me townier because I'm aggresive, don't know why you cut that part out of the quote.

In order from 26 my understanding is

1) calls niph town for having a post he liked

2) implies he thinks there could be mafia between tess and rose because they were interacting with eachother in a friendly manner or something along these lines.

3) He found the same person I found scummy for questioning a vote on himself in the way hydreigon did.

4) Implies he had me towny because I was being aggressive though he's implying today he never thought I was town so he gets less credit now.

5) Implies Rose is town from how they entered the game for the reasons he said.

In addition to the reasons above I also read someone pushing someone I thought had better odds to be a wolf while giving me approval for what i was doing was, in fact, more likely to be a villager.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

emory’s take on Twice is also suspect.

“First impression here is the Twice slot doesn't care much about how they're perceived or projecting town by posting explanations of their thoughts and wants to let their reads do the talking which ironically I find towny.

Not as much as the people who's posting I like but think it could be a villager behind this nothingness. He'll definitely need to get a better suspect though.”

This take reads as TMI-laden. “Oh, he’s needlessly obtuse, but he’s town! Just stop pushing me, Twice, please.”

Yikes.

Yeah you really have to stop calling everything tmi

Yes mafia are more likely to care how peoplesee what they're doing and try and present it in a way that would get people to townread them, twice made his reads known and refused to explain them which is less likely to garner the support of others since the reads weren't explained. This makes sense for someone who just wants to pus their reads, not for someone who's looking for ways to get townread and not draw attention to themself.

People who explain themself AND I find their answers towny are stronger townreads for me because I think what they've done is going to be harder to fake as mafia, whereas for twice I just thought his approach is less likely to be the one mafia choose and makes sense for a villager to choose.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

Memory’s read on catbae is also a pure nonsense townread, just like their townread on Scipio.

“I thought opening up with a scum push against the grain of what was said recently is more towny and I don't think you did it in a way that looked like trying to gain credit or because you needed to think of a way to get in the game. Just read like you having a read and sharing it and the nature of it was towny to me.”

Notice the bolded. The reasoning itself is fine, but why does Memory interpret it that way? There’s no explanation for it. Memory just decided that they would interpret it that way, and that was that.

The reason I interpreted it that way is because they gave their read against the grain and didn't dress it up or try to make it look good or anything like that.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

“I also did notice this but didn't think too much of it relevance wise.”

Memory’s take on catbae’s suspicion of Zeus. Reads like W/V/W. Memory’s acknowledging catbae’s suspicion of Zeus, while trying to steer it somewhere else by claiming that the posting catbae took issue with wasn’t very relevant. Notably, Memory doesn’t even try to look into it; all Memory does it acknowledge catbae’s push, but downplay it, without trying to investigate Zeus in person.

I'm sorry but this is me giving my opinion on a point I thought was fair to think from one of my townreads but didn't agree actually mattered to zeus's alignment despite being interesting and seeming like it might.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

And finally, Memory on Ichigo is also quite bad. “This is the fluffiest of the walls so far, which yes I believe has the potential to be scummy, so I'd like you to explain your vote please.” Super level 0. “Fluffy wall, maybe scummy.” I saw absolutely no issues with Ichigo’s wall; it was fine enough. I know Scipio had pushed on Ichigo for similar reasons a few posts beforehand, but I townread Scipio for other reasons and Memory’s posts are much worse overall. Scipio being the first to suspect Ichigo for his initial posting also makes it more likely for Memory to be piggybacking, which would be another rather wolfy thing.

That's... exactly what it was? The wall didn't have any opinions while replying to several game relat3ed posts which to me had the potential to be scummy because it's doing something that qualifies as participation and trying to look good while not being something that contained townread worthy material.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

Memory's nonsensical scumreads:

p#67 So Memory’s top two scumreads are Ichigo and Hydreigon. Let’s remember what Memory’s reasoning for these reads was. When it comes to Hydreigon, Memory outright misrepresented him at the start of the game, and seemingly, this-bad faith treatment and read have persisted until p#67. And when it comes to Ichigo, Memory’s only reasoning was “fluffy wall, maybe scummy,” which is not only a level 0 take, but also unoriginal (Scipio had already said something similar, except he was more decisive about it).

This isn’t someone solving the game. This is someone who’s pretending.

Again I don't think I misrepresented anything, come to the wrong conclusion yes but interpret what he did wrong I don't think so. The post staright up said they agreed on the point about twice. That's being agreeable.

Secondly me not jumping to a conclusion that ichigo is mafia before he's explained any thoughts is scummy because...??? I can find something scummy and try to get more information from the person about something they haven't explained because it gives a better picture about their alignment.

Originally Posted by Vulgard 1635719614 (#209)

I also find the awareness of the postcap somewhat wolfy because it’s so out of left field and outside of a villager’s scope of focus here, but that’s a vague read and I don’t expect anybody to agree with it.

If anyone in this game isn't hyper aware of the fact there's a 20 post limit I would be shocked.

It was of particular concern because I didn't feel entirely comfortable with the reads I had and would have wanted there to be more to go on. As such if people were making sure not to post basically at all because of the post limit, in other words trying too hard to not waste posts, I thought advocating slightly less holding back to get more content into the game.

So I think it's a great thing for myself to have been thinking thank you very much.

Originally Posted by Memory 1635721259 (#222)

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635717961 (#201)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635717737 (#198)

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635716422 (#193)

1 person town read you btw. It was Kurosaki, not a very widely town read player.

This post is quite wolf tbh

Rose Ichigo Catbae and Niphredil all have me town, or in catbae's case had me town.

I just don't think this is true. I've gone through everyone's posts yesterday, and it wasn't true, and just read todays, and again, don't think they do ever say this.

First off, even if this were true how would it even make me mafia? You think I'm a wolf because I think people found me townier than they did?

Secondly catbae's and ichigo's were from day one because that's the only time they posted but the other two made it pretty clear they had me town today, correctly mind you.

Originally Posted by niphredil 1635636246 (#164)

townreads i actually feel somewhat good about rn: scipio, catbae

townreads that i do not feel at all strongly about, but have as somewhat towny anyway: memory, rose

unreadable/inactive/lhf (can be of any alignment, but not my first choice for wolf still): ichigo, sherlock

probably one wolf between these two: tess, twice

wolf: dz

Originally Posted by niphredil 1635636246 (#164)

memory is like. i cannot blame them for the hydre vote like at all, bc afaict they've not played with hydre before. so it's very understandable to think it's a wolf. so yeah. (but also very easy target for wolf!memory. so it's whatever)
mostly what i remember of memory is that they had some long walls, that. weren't bad, but didn't really seem that obviously towny to me either. like legit the only thing i can townread is that one comment about wanting to see more posts. which... is not much, tbh. i think this is around the same tier with rose where i just want to townread the slot for some single posts etc, but don't have any actual reasons to like. actually believe in the read that i have.

Originally Posted by Rose Disco 1635662077 (#170)

the way Memory seemed to care about their townread on catbae (it was basically the first thing they said, and then when i went from light scumreading to townreading catbae they specifically said they were glad i'd come around to that opinion) doesn't seem like someone who would then kill catbae

Originally Posted by Rose Disco 1635662636 (#173)

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635662355 (#172)

I actually just don't know what to make of the NK at all

Idk why you think Memory reading Cat in the way they dead means they wouldn't NK them

i think they way they showed investment in their read of catbae they would have rather had them in the game to both interact with them and to try to push their read in a towny way (as they did interacting with me)

catbae may have also just been killed for being townread by a lot of people and no other reason, and there are two wolves so one person having some reason not to kill them doesn't really guarantee anything, so it's not hugely worth townreading anyone for

Originally Posted by catbae 1635489367 (#76)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635458741 (#59)

I thought opening up with a scum push against the grain of what was said recently is more towny and I don't think you did it in a way that looked like trying to gain credit or because you needed to think of a way to get in the game. Just read like you having a read and sharing it and the nature of it was towny to me.

Mmm, decent enough answer, you pass.

This is the last thing they said about me.

Originally Posted by Kurosaki Ichigo 1635537598 (#118)

Originally Posted by catbae 1635536636 (#113)

Originally Posted by Kurosaki Ichigo 1635536441 (#112)

It's straightforward and without unnecessary words

Can scum not write posts without unnecessary words?

Yes, scum can play in many ways, but in day 1 of a game I tend to go with my gut, and do a more solid read as the game goes on.
I think the way Memory asked the question shows his intention to solve me, and this is villagery

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635717961 (#201)

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1635717777 (#199)

I really don't understand what the point of all that analysis was but whatever.

I was trying to understand why Catbae died. I realise that is now unclear.

I think Catbae died because the wolf team contains 2 of Kakuro, Memory, Rose, Sherlock (maybe twice) because of how people were reading the game yesterday OR wolf team isn't paying attention properly

I accept this derpclear fyi, there are three mafia, not two. Grats we found you town for silly reasons even though I'm pretty sure I had you before today.

I said this backwards and read it backwards at the same time, I meant there are two not three and for some reason thought your post said there were three, not a derpclear from me.

I'm working on responding to vulgard.

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635717961 (#201)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635717737 (#198)

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635716422 (#193)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635707808 (#182)

@Vulgard everyone who's townread me already explained why, if you want I can compile it for you but I think you can check yourself since the thread is short enough.

Shouldn't hold off your explanation, genuinely can't see how anyone can have that opinion on my posts so far.

1 person town read you btw. It was Kurosaki, not a very widely town read player.

This post is quite wolf tbh

Rose Ichigo Catbae and Niphredil all have me town, or in catbae's case had me town.

I just don't think this is true. I've gone through everyone's posts yesterday, and it wasn't true, and just read todays, and again, don't think they do ever say this.

First off, even if this were true how would it even make me mafia? You think I'm a wolf because I think people found me townier than they did?

Secondly catbae's and ichigo's were from day one because that's the only time they posted but the other two made it pretty clear they had me town today, correctly mind you.

Originally Posted by niphredil 1635636246 (#164)

townreads i actually feel somewhat good about rn: scipio, catbae

townreads that i do not feel at all strongly about, but have as somewhat towny anyway: memory, rose

unreadable/inactive/lhf (can be of any alignment, but not my first choice for wolf still): ichigo, sherlock

probably one wolf between these two: tess, twice

wolf: dz

Originally Posted by niphredil 1635636246 (#164)

memory is like. i cannot blame them for the hydre vote like at all, bc afaict they've not played with hydre before. so it's very understandable to think it's a wolf. so yeah. (but also very easy target for wolf!memory. so it's whatever)
mostly what i remember of memory is that they had some long walls, that. weren't bad, but didn't really seem that obviously towny to me either. like legit the only thing i can townread is that one comment about wanting to see more posts. which... is not much, tbh. i think this is around the same tier with rose where i just want to townread the slot for some single posts etc, but don't have any actual reasons to like. actually believe in the read that i have.

Originally Posted by Rose Disco 1635662077 (#170)

the way Memory seemed to care about their townread on catbae (it was basically the first thing they said, and then when i went from light scumreading to townreading catbae they specifically said they were glad i'd come around to that opinion) doesn't seem like someone who would then kill catbae

Originally Posted by Rose Disco 1635662636 (#173)

Originally Posted by tessepia 1635662355 (#172)

I actually just don't know what to make of the NK at all

Idk why you think Memory reading Cat in the way they dead means they wouldn't NK them

i think they way they showed investment in their read of catbae they would have rather had them in the game to both interact with them and to try to push their read in a towny way (as they did interacting with me)

catbae may have also just been killed for being townread by a lot of people and no other reason, and there are two wolves so one person having some reason not to kill them doesn't really guarantee anything, so it's not hugely worth townreading anyone for

Originally Posted by catbae 1635489367 (#76)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635458741 (#59)

I thought opening up with a scum push against the grain of what was said recently is more towny and I don't think you did it in a way that looked like trying to gain credit or because you needed to think of a way to get in the game. Just read like you having a read and sharing it and the nature of it was towny to me.

Mmm, decent enough answer, you pass.

This is the last thing they said about me.

Originally Posted by Kurosaki Ichigo 1635537598 (#118)

Originally Posted by catbae 1635536636 (#113)

Originally Posted by Kurosaki Ichigo 1635536441 (#112)

Originally Posted by catbae 1635520471 (#100)

This is the fluffiest of the walls so far, which yes I believe has the potential to be scummy, so I'd like you to explain your vote please.
What about the "tone" of this did you like?

It's straightforward and without unnecessary words

Can scum not write posts without unnecessary words?

Yes, scum can play in many ways, but in day 1 of a game I tend to go with my gut, and do a more solid read as the game goes on.
I think the way Memory asked the question shows his intention to solve me, and this is villagery

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635717961 (#201)

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1635717777 (#199)

I really don't understand what the point of all that analysis was but whatever.

I was trying to understand why Catbae died. I realise that is now unclear.

I think Catbae died because the wolf team contains 2 of Kakuro, Memory, Rose, Sherlock (maybe twice) because of how people were reading the game yesterday OR wolf team isn't paying attention properly

I accept this derpclear fyi, there are three mafia, not two. Grats we found you town for silly reasons even though I'm pretty sure I had you before today.

Originally Posted by Scipio1 1635717802 (#200)

Do you have any other thoughts, memory?

Waiting for vulgard to explain himself since he described my posts as awful and nonsensical so he better come in with a good case.

Originally Posted by DoctorZeus 1635716422 (#193)

Originally Posted by Memory 1635707808 (#182)

@Vulgard everyone who's townread me already explained why, if you want I can compile it for you but I think you can check yourself since the thread is short enough.

Shouldn't hold off your explanation, genuinely can't see how anyone can have that opinion on my posts so far.

1 person town read you btw. It was Kurosaki, not a very widely town read player.

This post is quite wolf tbh

Rose Ichigo Catbae and Niphredil all have me town, or in catbae's case had me town.

@Vulgard everyone who's townread me already explained why, if you want I can compile it for you but I think you can check yourself since the thread is short enough.

Shouldn't hold off your explanation, genuinely can't see how anyone can have that opinion on my posts so far.

Originally Posted by Memory 1635657168 (#1155)

Sorry for not being around much today, I am still alive and aware of the game. I plan to read up and give my thoughts when I get the chance.

Which might not be today honestly

Sorry for not being around much today, I am still alive and aware of the game. I plan to read up and give my thoughts when I get the chance.