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  1. Day 3#2568

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread I'm generally against pre-flip.

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2554)
    like this is a quick post in this game that's just kind of an empty cliche one liner
    I'm generally against pre-flip.
  2. Day 3#2567

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread I really suggest you see if I do this as Town. I...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2549)
    he seems to just habitually question naked votes and vote switches as if it's some kind of crutch
    I really suggest you see if I do this as Town. I disdain naked votes most of the time. I've kinda given up fighting against them because people are just going to do them regardless of what I say, but I do talk about this in my latest article.
  3. Day 3#2566

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread :hahanice:

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2544)
    i want scipio dead today final answer, reasons posted above
  4. Day 3#2565

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Maybe, but it's also pretty in line with my Town...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2563)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2560)
    I am just poking things that don't make sense.
    having lots of posts on questioning surface contradictions and random gamestate observations is a pretty common scum crutch
    Maybe, but it's also pretty in line with my Town game.
  5. Day 3#2564

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Would have to ISO their D3. You want me to do...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2562)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2561)
    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2549)
    and i still think quick is opportunistic with trying to shade pretty much every slot he can except scipio/schweppes, including but not limited to me randomly and volt randomly today
    Did you say you are building a tinfoil house? I forget.

    Why are you looking at what the Lim you were responsible for making is saying?
    I don't see any fundamental reason why I shouldn't.

    how do you feel about Scipio currently?
    Would have to ISO their D3. You want me to do that? I kind of don't have a lot of time, but I can if you want me to.
  6. Day 3#2561

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Did you say you are building a tinfoil house? I...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2549)
    and i still think quick is opportunistic with trying to shade pretty much every slot he can except scipio/schweppes, including but not limited to me randomly and volt randomly today
    Did you say you are building a tinfoil house? I forget.

    Why are you looking at what the Lim you were responsible for making is saying?
  7. Day 3#2560

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Okay, you couldn't be more wrong here. I am just...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2537)
    like i just get this sense quick signal boosts me where im wrong and discredits me where im right (or just in general because he has little else to do)
    Okay, you couldn't be more wrong here. I am just poking things that don't make sense.

    and yea id really hate to lose this game to a team where if sett said "look into these 3" and theyre the exact team and endgamed like lmao
    Kinda weird flex considering Sett went over because of you alone.
  8. Day 3#2558

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Basically, Wiggles and Knight were never staying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#2556)
    Retrospective Day 2 Votecount as of Post #2102

    Post #2102 was originally posted at 7:32 PM EST on Saturday, December 4th, 2021.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    5 Mantichora wiggles1993 (103), Ciderhead (66), Variance (38), Schweppes (119), Quick (117)
    3 Dolby voltairenism (53), theknightsofneeee (58), Euler (69)
    2 theknightsofneeee Scipio1 (22), iaafr (164)
    1 Quick Mantichora (27)
    2 Not voting Dolby (0), MendesHotter (20)

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    Requested by Quick.
    Retrospective Day 2 Votecount as of Post #2159

    Post #2159 was originally posted at 7:54 PM EST on Saturday, December 4th, 2021.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    5 Dolby voltairenism (53), theknightsofneeee (67), Euler (73), MendesHotter (22), wiggles1993 (111)
    5 Mantichora Ciderhead (67), Variance (38), Schweppes (119), Quick (128), Scipio1 (23)
    1 Quick Mantichora (36)
    1 theknightsofneeee iaafr (174)
    1 Not voting Dolby (0)

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    Requested by Quick.
    Retrospective Day 2 Votecount as of Post #2189

    Post #2189 was originally posted at 7:59 PM EST on Saturday, December 4th, 2021.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    6 Mantichora Ciderhead (69), Variance (38), Schweppes (119), Quick (130), Scipio1 (23), theknightsofneeee (70)
    5 Dolby voltairenism (53), Euler (78), MendesHotter (25), wiggles1993 (113), iaafr (179)
    1 Quick Mantichora (42)
    1 Not voting Dolby (0)

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    Requested by Quick.
    Retrospective Day 2 Votecount as of Post #2202

    Post #2202 was originally posted at 8:00 PM EST on Saturday, December 4th, 2021.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    6 Dolby voltairenism (53), Euler (79), MendesHotter (27), wiggles1993 (113), iaafr (180), theknightsofneeee (72)
    5 Mantichora Ciderhead (71), Variance (38), Schweppes (119), Quick (131), Scipio1 (23)
    1 Quick Mantichora (45)
    1 Not voting Dolby (0)

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    Requested by Quick.
    Retrospective Day 2 Votecount as of Post #2205

    Post #2205 was originally posted at 8:00 PM EST on Saturday, December 4th, 2021.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    7 Dolby voltairenism (53), Euler (79), MendesHotter (28), wiggles1993 (114), iaafr (180), theknightsofneeee (72), Mantichora (46)
    5 Mantichora Ciderhead (71), Variance (38), Schweppes (119), Quick (131), Scipio1 (23)
    1 Not voting Dolby (0)

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    Requested by Quick.
    Basically, Wiggles and Knight were never staying on Manti. You can call it voting for pressure or EoD wagonomics or whatever, but it doesn't really look real.
  9. Day 3#2557

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Movement you say? ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Schweppes (#2501)
    Im mostly just confused how manti/dolby had alot of movement. Did it?

    Was it mostly just manti getting run up then manti existing and people switching to dolby?
    Movement you say?



    *goes to check*

    ^^^
  10. Day 3#2421

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread After going through some of THIS...

    After going through some of THIS game, I am back to TRing Volt. Volt there seemed way too reasonable compared to here. Also there was a lot more posts that had nothing to do with the game and just banter and/or buddying as opposed to here.

    (Note: Didn't do a full ISO of him in that game, but I think I went through enough to catch a pattern.)
  11. Day 3#2420

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Ugh. I probably need to ISO Dive manti at some...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2419)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#2206)
    11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er Day 2 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    7 Dolby voltairenism (53), Euler (79), MendesHotter (28), wiggles1993 (114), iaafr (180), theknightsofneeee (72), Mantichora (46)
    5 Mantichora Ciderhead (71), Variance (38), Schweppes (119), Quick (131), Scipio1 (23)
    1 Not voting Dolby (0)


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    Dolby was eliminated.

    Day 2 has ended.

    Day 2 ended at 8:00 PM EST on Saturday, December 4th, 2021.
    fmpov manti could be compatible with pretty much any combination of dolby voters in a vacuum and im not clearing him off wagonomics or eod2 stuff at all
    Ugh. I probably need to ISO Dive manti at some point.
  12. Day 3#2417

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread You must be quite drunk.

    Quote Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee (#2416)
    Kinda don’t think manti is a wolf cause no one hammered Dolby when it was the opportunity to put him over yesterday over a rand vote.

    Need to look into Voltaire/variance I’m being lazy about them

    But atm prob scipio or mended w/9 a firm opinion on the other two
    You must be quite drunk.
  13. Day 3#2415

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread I know you did, but you are the only one doing...

    Quote Originally Posted by voltairenism (#2414)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2406)
    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2404)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2403)
    What about Dolby?
    mildly compatible with scipio, why do you ask?
    Because it seems like everyone wanted Dolby Limmed, but no one is really entertaining a Scum!Dolby world.
    i just wordbuilt with scum dolby in mind but ok
    I know you did, but you are the only one doing so. Everyone else is acting like Dolby doesn't even exist. At to be frank with you, your Dolby/Sett/Variance is like only the best possible worlds and I don't know how realistic it is. Seems exceptionally optimistic.
  14. Day 3#2408

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread IDK how to feel about Volt at this point. I...

    IDK how to feel about Volt at this point.

    I should probably check that last game we played together because this feels totally different. And IDEK what they are doing. They sound like me, lol.

    Most the time people have reasonable takes and such, but Volt seems to just be throwing stuff at the fan and ??? don't know what he's doing tbh.
  15. Day 3#2407

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread You're actually projecting that it is meaningless.

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2405)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2402)
    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2379)
    ##Vote Scipio1

    (cue quick getting annoyed at me for another naked flip flop)

    my explanation is that all the good reasons to potentially wolfread this slot already exist in the thread and now im considering the possibility of mendes actually misreading scipio and actually being a villager but simply having backwards reads

    this is not a case but is simply a tentative exploration which i think quick doesnt believe in the value of at all but lmao im gonna keep doing it
    Scummy, tbqh.
    also i dont think ive ever seen a scum player play this way, so, de facto not scummy unless youd like to provide an experience of it actually coming from a scum player
    You're actually projecting that it is meaningless.
  16. Day 3#2406

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Because it seems like everyone wanted Dolby...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2404)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2403)
    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2387)
    Quote Originally Posted by voltairenism (#2386)
    i bet this sequence of posts that just happened will live in iaafr's head rent free
    no whats living in my head rent free rn are

    connections between scipio/euler/evenschweppes (but i still dont think its schweppes)
    What about Dolby?
    mildly compatible with scipio, why do you ask?
    Because it seems like everyone wanted Dolby Limmed, but no one is really entertaining a Scum!Dolby world.
  17. Day 3#2403

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread What about Dolby?

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2387)
    Quote Originally Posted by voltairenism (#2386)
    i bet this sequence of posts that just happened will live in iaafr's head rent free
    no whats living in my head rent free rn are

    connections between scipio/euler/evenschweppes (but i still dont think its schweppes)
    What about Dolby?
  18. Day 3#2402

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Scummy, tbqh.

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2379)
    ##Vote Scipio1

    (cue quick getting annoyed at me for another naked flip flop)

    my explanation is that all the good reasons to potentially wolfread this slot already exist in the thread and now im considering the possibility of mendes actually misreading scipio and actually being a villager but simply having backwards reads

    this is not a case but is simply a tentative exploration which i think quick doesnt believe in the value of at all but lmao im gonna keep doing it
    Scummy, tbqh.
  19. Day 3#2366

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread :wtf2:

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2365)
    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2362)
    also if you sort by postcount the team is simply mendes scipio and manti anyway
    this is my final solve and im officially over this game too

    only voting in these 3 until im dead

    my legacy is this is the exact team

    good night
  20. Day 3#2361

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread I mean, I just looked and it seems you can back...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2360)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2359)
    IDK why you don't just lead off with the reasoning then.
    ok critique accepted

    could you engage with the content of my summarized and tentative mendes scumcase ive just laid out

    and the idea that mendes/scipio seems more of a team than variance/anybody at this point, mainly because variance has no allies (other than volt) atp?
    I mean, I just looked and it seems you can back up your read here, so I guess it's just a wash all things considered. I do like that you made points I didn't.

    I think your play would benefit from being more transparent as Town, but I guess if you can back up your votes with reasons I don't hate your play here. Just don't understand why you do these sort of tentative reads, rescind them, and then go back in and push it strongly (and in the case with Sett you completely backtrack on the read).

    So basically, I like your reasons, I just with you would lead with that, make your vote, and THEN see what happens. It helps Town know where you are at and you get just as many reactions and can Reevaluate as needed anyways.

    Anyways, it's opposite day, so I'm probably wrong.
  21. Day 3#2359

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread IDK why you don't just lead off with the...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2358)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2356)
    Then why did you unvote them?
    i feel like you continue to assign much more weight to vote changes than i do

    my mind is wandery and more flip floppy than most people and

    i intend to convey convictions and cases with the words more than the votes

    if you werent here to complain about it i might flipped votes between mendes/scipio/others a bunch more before even writing the mendes case
    IDK why you don't just lead off with the reasoning then.
  22. Day 3#2356

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Then why did you unvote them?

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2353)
    ok ill give a preview of the case then

    mendes' sett vote doesn't come with reasoning and his sett progression is pretty much nonexistent up to the point of the vote, which is compatible with being a scipio partner nakedly sheeping a case to save his partner scipio

    mendes plays up his own reputation as obvtown a lot in a way that rings sort of hollow to me because... idk it just feels sort of performative

    a lot of his posts feel performative in general


    he is one of your bottom 2 and i agree with your reasons for him being bottom 2


    his connections to scipio arent strong but they're there, scipio's only mention of mendes d1 is "i dont remember reading any of their posts," which i find to come from wolves on wolves strangely often

    mendes comes into today seemingly more strongly townreading scipio



    idk ill do a quote collection of the performativity i sense from him later
    Then why did you unvote them?
  23. Day 3#2352

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread It's more your own perspective that doesn't make...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2350)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2349)
    Because it's weak sauce.
    not sure what connotations you're intending here with "weak sauce"

    if you think the case that mendes is scummy isnt strong enough, well, i'm still procrastinating on it, but i have a scumcase that ive been like stewing on


    if you think theres a larger gamestate wagon that a mendes vote / mendes wagon shouldnt exist this sod, i'm not getting the logic
    It's more your own perspective that doesn't make any sense here. Why do you go back to Mendes here? What do you hope to gain out of doing this?

    Like, your vote lacks conviction. It's just, "I'm considering this world" but there's no teeth to it at all. It almost looks like posting just to post.
  24. Day 3#2349

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Because it's weak sauce.

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2347)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2346)
    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2345)
    scipio mendes not looking blatantly as bad as variance might actually make variance more likely to be town than them because not looking ridiculously blatantly bad openly and in as self aware a manner is uh... scummier than doing so

    basically what volt's been saying about variance lol


    so i suddenly want to kill in scipio/mendes/manti again mainly


    ##Vote MendesHotter
    I feel going back to Mendes is not the move here.
    why not
    Because it's weak sauce.
  25. Day 3#2346

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread I feel going back to Mendes is not the move here.

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2345)
    scipio mendes not looking blatantly as bad as variance might actually make variance more likely to be town than them because not looking ridiculously blatantly bad openly and in as self aware a manner is uh... scummier than doing so

    basically what volt's been saying about variance lol


    so i suddenly want to kill in scipio/mendes/manti again mainly


    ##Vote MendesHotter
    I feel going back to Mendes is not the move here.
  26. Day 3#2344

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread I'm gonna say this again, but the only person I...

    Quote Originally Posted by Variance (#2341)
    Quote Originally Posted by Variance (#2335)
    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2326)
    Quote Originally Posted by Variance (#2325)
    level 0
    i mean is there any reason youd subvert level 0 "dont park on a partner in flipless ever like that"
    oh i wouldnt have had time to voteswitch nvm continue
    wouldnt have had time to not voteswitch *****

    this is bad phrasing but whatever

    what i mean is the wagons were like 6-5 between manti and dolby respectively before the knights vote which was only 7 seconds before eod so if im wolf with manti i probably wouldve folded and voted dolby before then

    same reasoning applies for like everyone on the manti wagon ig
    I'm gonna say this again, but the only person I liked on Dolby a lot was iaafr. Everyone else just isn't the same degree of Towniness, whereas Cider (dead Townie), Schweppes, and myself were on Manti. I'm not even thinking Manti is the Lim for D3 but that might change depending.
  27. Day 3#2339

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread That's what Manti keeps saying, but sheesh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Variance (#2337)
    Quote Originally Posted by Variance (#2335)
    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2326)
    Quote Originally Posted by Variance (#2325)
    level 0
    i mean is there any reason youd subvert level 0 "dont park on a partner in flipless ever like that"
    oh i wouldnt have had time to voteswitch nvm continue
    tbqh even then i probably wouldnt care because manti probably doesnt live to endgame lol
    That's what Manti keeps saying, but sheesh.
  28. Day 3#2332

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread I've not really looked at votes at all this game....

    I've not really looked at votes at all this game. I might have to do that at some point.
  29. Day 3#2331

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    Game Thread Is there anything ruling out Wiggles/Variance as...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#2329)
    Retrospective Day 2 Votecount as of Post #1941

    Post #1941 was originally posted at 10:38 PM EST on Friday, December 3rd, 2021.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    3 Mantichora wiggles1993 (86), Ciderhead (61), Variance (32)
    3 Dolby voltairenism (43), Schweppes (115), theknightsofneeee (42)
    1 theknightsofneeee Scipio1 (12)
    1 Quick Mantichora (20)
    1 Scipio1 Quick (105)
    1 Variance iaafr (120)
    3 Not voting Dolby (0), Euler (54), MendesHotter (12)

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    Requested by iaafr.
    Is there anything ruling out Wiggles/Variance as ScS?
  30. Day 3#2330

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Fair I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2328)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2327)
    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2326)
    Quote Originally Posted by Variance (#2325)
    level 0
    i mean is there any reason youd subvert level 0 "dont park on a partner in flipless ever like that"
    IDK, to say Scum are going to do zero distancing in this game probably isn't a good take.
    i mean theres distancing and then theres like

    parking on a partner who's wagoned and not at all unlikely to simply go over without giving you ~any cred at all

    and i didnt even say i was making a hard not w/w read out of it, i was just saying "prob not partnered there"
    Fair I guess.
  31. Day 3#2327

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread IDK, to say Scum are going to do zero distancing...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2326)
    Quote Originally Posted by Variance (#2325)
    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2323)
    variance stayed on mantichora wagon d2 though so prob not partnered there

    hmmmmmmm
    level 0
    i mean is there any reason youd subvert level 0 "dont park on a partner in flipless ever like that"
    IDK, to say Scum are going to do zero distancing in this game probably isn't a good take.
  32. Day 3#2321

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread What is this about?

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2318)
    ##Vote Mantichora
    What is this about?
  33. Day 3#2319

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Your most substantial post in the game by a mile.

    Quote Originally Posted by MendesHotter (#2315)
    Dolby - I’m not sure much about this slot still it really felt like a 50. Teams are hard to associate here but I don’t even think going there will benefit town anyway

    Scipio - I really don’t know why I have as much faith in this slot as I do, but it’s really there. It’s really reminded me of how I used to solve just saying a bunch of reads with no explamation but it feels like it’s a good place. The transition from p#512 p#513 really feels smooth to me like i don’t think wolves just say a town and immediately vote and go somewhere else? It feels too wild of a thought process to me. He’s also not given reads on places he’s not sure on instead of faking reads which i like as well p#516. p#685 is towny. p#1219

    Variance - This slot i cant even say much about either like theres substance but it’s not affecting the tide of the game if that makes sense. Like his reads are there but they aren’t strong like for how they are. Slight biasness but would’nt variance be somewhat defending me? Like he has reads but there’s no actions taken on said reads so it’s not doing much here. Toneally tho he sounds pure which is really annoying bc im a sucker for tone. This might be my vote but idk like i cant get a grasp on it there’s good vibes as well so it’s hard


    the 2 biggest lhf rn small takes but I wanna pressure here

    ##Vote Variance
    Your most substantial post in the game by a mile.
  34. Day 3#2298

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread I agree. Scipio's votes on both EoD 1 & 2 seemed...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2295)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2294)
    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2293)
    Quote Originally Posted by Euler (#2283)
    Thinking you, bunny, mendes, manti
    Pored over some ISOs last night and wiggles has towny tone but other than that I don't see much else
    Looking at knights currently
    what makes you tr Mendes so highly
    Yeah, I was TRing Mendes for tonal reasons, but their content is severely lacking. They are kinda like Scipio 2.0 on D1.
    Scipio at least seems to have reads they believe in to a greater extent with more continuity so Mendes is even worse from that angle imo


    and just more empty comments on how hard it is to solve without really showing the attempts
    I agree. Scipio's votes on both EoD 1 & 2 seemed to have a bit of conviction behind them.
  35. Day 3#2297

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread I'm just going to say this, but this is the most...

    I'm just going to say this, but this is the most ISO's I've ever done for a game. Usually, I look at one or two People's ISOs during NP and make a decision on who to vote, but this game has been different. I do feel like have a way better grasp of the game doing this. Usually, I have no idea who reads who when, but in this game, I feel like I have a way better grasp of that.
  36. Day 3#2294

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Yeah, I was TRing Mendes for tonal reasons, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2293)
    Quote Originally Posted by Euler (#2283)
    Thinking you, bunny, mendes, manti
    Pored over some ISOs last night and wiggles has towny tone but other than that I don't see much else
    Looking at knights currently
    what makes you tr Mendes so highly
    Yeah, I was TRing Mendes for tonal reasons, but their content is severely lacking. They are kinda like Scipio 2.0 on D1.
  37. Day 3#2285

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread I thought Euler had a weak TR on you though....

    Quote Originally Posted by Schweppes (#2282)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2281)
    Quote Originally Posted by Euler (#2278)
    Dang I need a fifth town
    What world are you living in atm?
    A world where im just some pile of null and its so annoying when ive posted over 200 times
    I thought Euler had a weak TR on you though. Also, what does that say about Euler if he still has you at Null?

    I think maybe you're not as Townie as I thought during Night Phase because I did sort feel like your D2 posts were kinda lacking.
  38. Day 3#2281

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    Game Thread What world are you living in atm?

    Quote Originally Posted by Euler (#2278)
    Dang I need a fifth town
    What world are you living in atm?
  39. Day 3#2279

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Vaniance's AtE is not convincing to me. Like what...

    Vaniance's AtE is not convincing to me. Like what is stopping them from doing this as Scum? I suppose it can get to the point where it's so pathetic that we don't Lim them? But that's not really the way I want to play this game.

    @Variance, if you care about this game at all, I really would like you to show a little effort here. I don't like the "Woe is me I always rand Town" line because it's mildly pathetic if your town and isn't really going to make me TR you.
  40. Day 3#2277

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread This game is hard because I kinda feel like...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2276)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2275)
    We are in D3, which means D4 is potentially Elo, right? That means D3 Lim needs to really count.
    off by a day

    but I mean it's always been just

    propose a Poe you think is correct of half the players outside of you

    debate over it and refine it

    d1 you needed a list of 7+ town

    d2 6+

    d3 5+
    This game is hard because I kinda feel like there's a deep wolf somewhere. But IDK where to look.

    Okay, not going to talk about this more right now, but I'm pretty sure we'll get there when we get there.

    (Had to visibly see myself going through options before I decided it wasn't a good idea.)
  41. Day 3#2275

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread We are in D3, which means D4 is potentially Elo,...

    We are in D3, which means D4 is potentially Elo, right? That means D3 Lim needs to really count.
  42. Day 3#2266

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread The other option is that both kills were just...

    Quote Originally Posted by Euler (#2265)
    I expressed somewhere before that it was likely that vandy was killed for the bottom of his readlist because he wasn't really a major consensus TR anytime during D1 (and therefore probably a fearkill of some sort)
    Manti is relatively high up on vandy's list so I think it is likely that manti wasn't the reason that vandy was killed and it could only really happen when manti is part of a team with two people low on vandy's list

    Manti's still pretty towny in my eyes and also cider probably wasn't killed for tunneling manti because he wasn't the only one who thought that manti was scum. Maybe there were some other potential reasons for manti killing cider but rn I don't think it is related and was probably meant to be a framekill if anything
    The other option is that both kills were just done for WIFOM.
  43. Day 3#2264

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhead (#1359)
    Quote Originally Posted by Vandyfan402 (#653)
    This is a general order

    Town:
    voltairenism
    iaafr
    wiggles1993
    Quick
    Sett

    Town Leaning Null:
    Mantichora
    Schweppes
    Ciderhead

    Null:
    MendesHotter
    Dolby
    Euler

    Scum leans:
    Scipio1
    Variance
    theknightsofneeee
    Quoting vandy's reads list for reference.

    I also got partway through Voltaire's iso and was somewhere around good tone but nothing I can nail down to the mast as town, but I'm not sure they ever kill Vandy there as scum so
    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhead (#1395)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantichora (#1304)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#1225)
    11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er Day 1 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    8 Sett Scipio1 (30), Schweppes (107), Euler (49), Dolby (23), MendesHotter (34), wiggles1993 (123), iaafr (185), Vandyfan402 (99)
    3 Scipio1 theknightsofneeee (91), Sett (85), Ciderhead (71)
    1 Vandyfan402 voltairenism (81)
    1 Dolby Mantichora (37)
    1 theknightsofneeee Quick (124)
    1 wiggles1993 Variance (47)


    View Vote History

    Sett was eliminated.

    Day 1 has ended.

    Day 1 ended at 8:00 PM EST on Wednesday, December 1st, 2021.
    my nuts say 8-3 is a miss, but it was 5-5 moments before EoD so ymmv
    Yeah, but they were top wagon for quite a while and no one really cared

    Something they said at the end resonated with me, the thing about there being resistance to scumread them initially but then when they were actually wagoned no one really tried to do anything about it or start a counter. Like what were their partners doing? Unless it was like knights/Dolby I feel they could have done more to save them/steer things elsewhere, and knights could probably have done more in that regard while he was here.

    Idk, maybe I'm wrong. I kind of got cold feet at the end but by that point it was probably too late either way. Got that post-flip regret of if they're town that's probably a very bad lunch on our part and they're justifiably pissed in dvc rn but ah well
    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhead (#1442)
    Scipio and knights almost certainly aren't scum together but I can absolutely see either being independently
    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhead (#1819)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#1812)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhead (#1808)
    Eh I just looked through your iso properly and your posts are actually a lot townier than I remember them being

    ##Vote Dolby
    How was Vandy reading Euler? I know you are thinking Vandy was killed for their reads or something. I'd have to look at them to see how Vandy's compare to mine, but I do think it's bad to ignore dead Townies this game.
    Vandy did scumread them tbf, it was when I was looking through their iso that I voted there to begin with
    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhead (#1770)
    Cider
    Iaafr
    Quick
    Voltaire
    Schweppes

    That's 5. Add two more to that and I think we're good
    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhead (#1986)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#1170)
    11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er Day 1 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    7 Sett Scipio1 (28), iaafr (171), Ciderhead (67), Schweppes (106), Euler (47), Dolby (23), MendesHotter (34)
    3 Scipio1 theknightsofneeee (91), Sett (74), Vandyfan402 (93)
    1 Vandyfan402 voltairenism (81)
    1 Dolby Mantichora (37)
    1 theknightsofneeee Quick (122)
    1 Sleep Variance (43)
    1 Variance wiggles1993 (118)

    View Vote History

    Day 1 ends at 8:00 PM EST on Wednesday, December 1st, 2021. There are 1638406860000 remaining.
    So I look at this vote count now and think what if Sett was just a wolf lol

    But there's a world where it was a villager led wagon on a villager and wolves just let it happen. Probably the most likely world. Dolby and Mendes would have w equity there. Otherwise it would have to be the afk'ers basically. Sett/Manti/knights. Not entirely impossible I suppose. But I feel like that team doesn't let them die to begin with tbh.

    -----

    If all my townreads are accurate, I guess there are worlds contained in variance/knights/wiggles/Mendes, but I feel like Scipio/Dolby/Manti almost always has at least one hit
    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhead (#2194)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantichora (#2180)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhead (#2173)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhead (#2166)
    I would much much prefer many over Dolby at this point
    *Manti
    Interesting, I wonder why.
    Cos I think you're actively scummy at this point and Dolby has just ghosted
  44. Day 3#2258

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread IDK, I can go look.

    Quote Originally Posted by Euler (#2256)
    Do we have Cider's scumreads
    IDK, I can go look.
  45. Day 3#2256

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Is that all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Euler (#2254)
    Bunny Quick and Volt are shared between cider and vandy
    Is that all?
  46. Day 3#2253

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread How does Vandy's worldview relate to Cider's...

    Quote Originally Posted by Euler (#2252)
    Quote Originally Posted by Vandyfan402 (#653)
    This is a general order

    Town:
    voltairenism
    iaafr
    wiggles1993
    Quick
    Sett

    Town Leaning Null:
    Mantichora
    Schweppes
    Ciderhead

    Null:
    MendesHotter
    Dolby
    Euler

    Scum leans:
    Scipio1
    Variance
    theknightsofneeee
    How does Vandy's worldview relate to Cider's though?
  47. Day 3#2251

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread That's not a bad theory I suppose.

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#2245)
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick (#2243)
    Want to know why Cider is dead over iaafr.
    more stable voice and stable process; more trustworthy reads, "gives the thread direction" - volt


    similarly universally townread, but less chaotic and more dependable
    That's not a bad theory I suppose.
  48. Day 3#2249

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Maybe this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciderhead (#1738)
    Quote Originally Posted by wiggles1993 (#1716)
    People we're waiting to do something so we can evaluate them or they're being evicted from the big brother house:

    Mantichora
    Dolby

    People who can be scummy, could just be inexperienced:
    Euler
    Scipio1

    Then for me it's like "I can make an argument they're scummy":
    Variance

    And then everyone else is playing well enough to continue living. Anyone disagree strongly with my above?
    This is pretty much where my head's at yeah.

    I feel at this point it may be productive to settle on who we think is town first and foremost. I'd have

    Iaafr
    Quick
    Voltaire

    As my most confident. With Mendes maybe there but just behind on less content overall.

    And I think I'm ready to put Schweppes in there, I like Quick's point on them just now

    Wiggles
    Knights

    You two I hope are town. If you both are I think we probably just win this game. But I'm not sure I can put you confidently there.

    What about everyone else?
    Maybe this?
  49. Day 3#2243

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Want to know why Cider is dead over iaafr.

    Want to know why Cider is dead over iaafr.
  50. Day 3#2240

    Thread: 11/29 Flipless Mountainous 15er

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    Game Thread Why, when Manti was basically like, "More...

    Quote Originally Posted by Euler (#2238)
    Was expecting Manti to make a legacy and I got a commentary. Don't think this comes from a wolf perspective.
    Why, when Manti was basically like, "More tomorrow!!!"
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