When I could post, I posted. I never dodged the thread like someone suggested.
Type: Posts; User: Thingyman
When I could post, I posted. I never dodged the thread like someone suggested.
Was fun to play again. This was definitively my last game, I just don’t have the time for it anymore. I considered subbing out many times, but I really wanted to see this through, so I just tried finding time where I could.
Thanks to Manti and AM. Thx to my wolf bros for being awesome teammates.
that we're losing to that team is kind of dumb
Contrainer and Boq dodging lynches left and right is just hilariously bad
and yeah, I kind of defended 4mask and Liberal earlier in the game, so I suck myself
c'est la vie
Owner Of A Lonely Heart
I've had all of 4mask, Owner and Liberal as villagery, but they've trended down whereas the others have kept being villagery.
In honor of baudib
I wanna end this game with my vote on a wolf.
I'm not a wolf
but I'm not gonna be able to persuade you of that
we desperately needed Panther to flip wolf there to have a chance
the fact that I was so sure and so wrong at the same time makes me deserving of being a mislynch
and I've never said that in my entire career
wiggles1993 was lynched. He was the Anglo-Zanzibar War, a military conflict between the United Kingdom and the Zanzibar Sultanate that lasted between 38 and 45 minutes, marking it as the shortest recorded war in history (Mafia Goon):
You have 1 month to submit your night actions, see you then.
Panther is 100% sniping me in a minute
yog is gonna vote me
and then we lose
you said in a post of yours that you couldn't feel the purity from Panther, but that you still had him as a town lean
I think you need to follow your gut on not actually feeling that from him
why the $#@! is Robik not here
why the $#@! is Sunbae not here
I am saying that I wouldn't be lying about it in either role. So I was laying out why in either role I wouldn't be lying about it. It's not WIFOM. It's just explaining to you why it'd be a weird lie in both roles.
Not gonna spend more time on this post as I need to catch up on the rest
Having neutral interactions with two players that barely played the game isn't scummy. It's a thing that happens.
As for the excuses, I'd advise you to consider it from this perspective: If I'm a villager. I'm just telling the truth. If I'm a wolf, why would I want to give excuses and hang out in wolf chat like you said earlier - when I'm getting a lot of heat for not posting? The only real reason there is suspicion towards me is my lack of activity.
Which is all to say that me being busy is just the truth and therefore you shouldn't be reading into it as anything alignment indicative. Rather, you should read me on my posts. So I implore you to read my posts and consider whether they're made from a villager or scum.
Or well, if you're a wolf, you can do whatever you want, ofc :P
if it's not happening, I'll switch my vote
Same thing with his Marko read I remember - we town read him for the same reasons, down to the specific posts.
I wasn't familiar with SS' game before this, but he claims to play a POE-style game based mostly on reading townies, and I just found it very noteworthy that we've been reading people mostly the same way all game. Including Manasi who we were also wrong on ofc, but c'est la vie.
like SS is someone I've just put off forever because they had good, sensible content that I agreed with, and while they may still be a wolf, I'd really prefer to not go for that when I have other wolf suspects :/
the only paranoid thought I've had about SS/Trustworthy Liberal this game is that we've had so many mirrored thoughts that I've at times wondered if he was doing that on purpose
Panther's my favorite pick, Sunbae's favorite pick, t om is currently voting him
I can see that being 4 villas all willing to vote Panther
but we have Robik on me, and yog doesn't wanna vote panther
that's 2 villas not voting Panther in that scenario, which means we can't risk anymore villas being off-wagon
which also means we're likely just screwed anyway if the subs aren't wolves
my town reads aren't voting together
pretty sure that's a catastrophic sign
But I don't think we have the votes
I'll be able to check in tomorrow again
since Panther isn't gonna happen
A good wolf across many posts is bound to make some villagery posts. They are, after all, trying to replicate their villa games. Or most wolves do, at least. And while I myself can be persuaded by even just a single post, I haven't been so with Panther, and I especially feel that his overall game and overall commitment feels like that of someone who is not actively engaged in finding wolves - but actively engaged in faking that. The doubt that you have and that I have and that other villagers have had suggest to me that he's just simply a wolf.
I guess that probably doesn't feel very concrete to you, but meh
If you're a villager: I am the mislynch the wolves are pursuing right now. So from your POV, you need to consider the two scenarios of me being a villager and me being a wolf. You should hopefully reach the conclusion that only the scenario of me being a villager makes sense.
I'm the one being wagoned right now, and Robik is voting me, so it's likely GG, but anyone spreading out their efforts on anything but reading me or getting a counter-wagon to me going, are just straight up not focusing on something that is gonna save this game.
It feels like we're at a tipping point
I am an easy vote. But there are some people defending me.
Either 1) the wolves see that a ton of villas are suspecting me and they don't need to pile on, so they're just defending me (and spreading out on other people to ensure that there is no other viable wagon) or 2) the wolves are loading up on me because at this point the other suspects are wolves
Or at least, that's what I think, because it would fit with my worldview of the wolves being pretty spread out right now across many wagons
I feel like Panther wagon is the best bet at a clean wagon right now
disappointing that neither Contrainer or Liberal have made any alignment indicative posts whatsoever upon subbing in
When I was laying awake thinking about this game last night my tired mind felt Panther/Sunbae were an obvious w/w pairing, but after reading especially Sunbae's posts today, I'm back again on Sunbae villa - and Panther still wolf
Sunbae's frustration/disheartedness feels pure, his flip flopping on his read of me feels pure (when as wolf it would be easy to just vote me here alongside Robik)
I think we're probably still losing this game, but I'll consider it a personal victory if Sunbae is a villa and we found our way together
but Panther looks like a non-starter for some weird reason and I guess at this point I just have to hope it's not because he's the wolf KP
Robik voting me makes it difficult to sponge him
If he's a wolf, he can say whatever and it's excused
If he's a villager, it's indeed a bit "obnoxious" - and Panther is a super kind and nice dude and probably wouldn't say something like that
Of course, my read is biased from the fact that I find him wolfy outside of that, but it still feels right to me to read it this way
I will say that Panther doesn't have a very good track record of reading me
So this could in theory be within his town range
But as I recall, Panther was usually still easy to read as villager whilst being hilariously wrong on me, and that isn't the case here
And even if we ignore his read on me, Panther's focus this game has seemed off. He's seemed to be commenting here and there without really pushing anything. Because he's just trying to float along.
You state yourself why Frog's reads are irrelevant, so what is the point of this?
Once again, you're just trying to harp on something to seem like you have a reasonable excuse for voting me.
If people can't see that, lol them.
Frog has 100+ posts and I can't read that right now
so I just searched for "Panther"
During early stages of game, he says "Panther could fool me any day so I'm not really going to bother there"
which seems in line with how a wolf wouldn't bother giving a read on a fellow wolf, at least I know I've done that before
if anyone has a reason that Panther is a villager, tag me and I'll look into it
if Robik says Panther vote is bad, I'm down to follow him as well
like I can feel the game state right now and it's not good
there's a lot of suspicion going around
and then near EOD people will be like "let's just lynch low hanging fruit Thingy" and it will be an easy, excusable thing to agree on
and we will likely have lost or be one lynch away from losing
I'm being voted primarily because I am busy. That's a fact. Only Sunbae has actually presented a case on me and the case is just 100% wrong and based on misunderstandings.
Play the GAME - read my posts. I've made a lot of them. They are villagery.
there's a lot of people being like "maybe Thingy just is busy"... What is up with the maybe? I don't get it. Unless you think that I'd be dodging the thread as a wolf, it doesn't make any sense to say this.
I'm busy. Period. But I've made over 100 posts. Read me on those posts. If you get the read wrong, c'est la vie, but the game is READING POSTS. So read my posts. Compare them to previous games.
Lissa read me villa and she's the best reader of me of all-time. Apoc also flipped his read on me after actually seeing me post.
Panther and Sunbae are suspecting me, and that is probably just because they're wolves.
this feels right
catching up quick and then hopefully I can do some rereads
Also not sure why this is relevant at all
I lean towards this being a villagery conspiracy theory
but inside my head there is a slight worry of Cron/bop w/w shenanigans going on
from my recollection Cron has been cop hunting almost and I was leaning towards that being quite villagery
but I guess there's a small chance that Cron didn't care about cop hunting bop because they're partners
meh, I don't really buy it, but I had the thought and now I'm posting it because whatever
doesn't feel like the right kind of focus for Panther to have
this is game time, a mislynch might lose us the game right here, so Panther should really just be focusing on "I want X lynched" or "X is a villager, stop voting them", but this seems like noncommittal wishy washy stuff, like particularly the part about Owner and Boq. Like is that where you are at this point in the game? Speculation on why some people have or have not been pushed?
People need to stop saying this
I am legitimately busy. Just THIS day phase alone has more posts than the entire game on Diablo forums that I tried earlier this year. I can't keep up with a game like this anymore.
I think there's a decent chance that this list is 3/3 villagers - and at worst 2/3 villagers. I might be the one reading the game completely wrong, in which case I'd be losing us the game anyway in some way or another, but if I'm not, then Sunbae being this wrong is either 1) just a sign that he's a wolf, or 2) he is gonna cost us the game regardless.
villa Panther knows my game maybe better than anyone here?
and the fact that he's not actually reading me on my posts is a bad sign
in fact, in regards to my posts he's previously stated that he likes my content, but "it can be faked as wolf", and now he's just trying to find various reasons to suspect me since I'm an easy target
Cron voting me is not good
if Sunbae really is villa, and I think he might be based on his reactions to the lynch today, then that's potentially 2 villa votes on me if he joins Cron
with what 6 or 7 wolves left, that's already enough for majority or 1 away from it
I really don't wanna be the game ending mislynch in the game I organized myself :P
right now I'm just sneaking in posts from work while boss is away
I'm gonna read up on Frog from phone later on bus trip home
I don't even have internet at the new apartment yet and I for some reason decided to save 10 dollars or whatever and get a PC that can't get hooked up to wifi from my phone, sigh :P
I'm useless this game, I'm sorry
I'm afraid that at this point I probably need to get cleared via a peek or via someone's flip
but regardless, I'm doing the best that I can and that's all I can do. I can promise one thing, which is that this will be my last game, it just isn't plausible for me to play mafia anymore :P
and bold is not how you vote
interestingly, this is the only person in my top 5 wolf reads that isn't currently a wagon
oh, and Jan, but anyways, generally happy with the wagons - except Phi
if I had more time, I'd be interested to look into whether this wolf team makes sense, but I'm just gonna hope it does :P
Off the top of my head
This is mostly based on pure tone reads. From what I've seen, some of these reads are not at all consensus, but yeah, I guess I just don't put stock into the same thing as some of you guys.
IAmRobik - cop
Chris - vig
Medium to small village leans (mostly just 'cause I need to reread some of these ppl)
Owner Of A Lonely Heart
This leaves 10 people:
36 players and 25% scum means 9 wolves. We've lynched 2. So 7 wolves left. Maybe 6 if we're lucky.
So at least 3 of the above are villagers. Roman and Shad/Lissa voted Jaleb, so they can be villagers for now, though I need to look myself to see how dangerous their votes really were. Then last villager probably from Sunbae/t om/mhsmith - or 2 of those if I'm wrong on someone else ofc, which can easily be the case. t om's been fine and seems independent enough, but I guess I just have a feeling that I'd like to know their usual villa/wolf game more before locking it in, because I also don't know if he's really putting himself out there. As for mhsmith, he hasn't been actively wolfy, but from my recollection he seems very mechanics'y and weird focus'y in a way that I can't determine whether is wolfy or not. Mostly he makes longish posts that are difficult to read sometimes. I had thought Panther slightly villagery, but it felt like he flipped to a wolf read on me in a not believable way (besides Lissa and Sunbae, he probably knows my game best I think out of the players in this line-up?).
So I'd start here:
And from those the only person I have nothing that I can say even a slightly villagery thing about from what I've read is Boquise
but obviously I will try to come back Sunday to read up
And just to lay out my schedule: Today I had a birthday party straight after work, tomorrow I'm working all day because of a premiere thing, Friday I'm helping with painting and stuff on the new apartment after work, and Saturday is the big moving day. I'm not sure if Sunday is part of this game day - if it is, I can maybe sneak in a few posts there, but I imagine the wifey would prefer I stay focused on getting our new home in order :P
Sunbae did a case on me or something and I haven't responded to that
I can easily "defend" myself against it, but I don't think that's the best use of my time unless anyone actually feels like I should do that, given I only have about 15 mins left,
But maybe some people do... I did see some people mention it was a good case, but it really isn't. Which isn't a dig at Sunbae if he's a villager either. It's just that it's presented from a biased view, whether he's a villager or a wolf, and I can clear up any confusions and misunderstandings if that is needed. And if not, it's best to just focus on finding woofs.
With a bit of distance from the game, I'm no longer sure that Sunbae is a wolf.
Honestly, a big part of my original read is something that I can't expand on. But it made me quite certain, and I'm now no longer certain. We'll just leave it at that.
Partly, I'm beginning to think that so many people have defended him in a way that wolves wouldn't dare defend him that he might just be spewed town. And it makes sense. If town Sunbae/town me is going at each other, it's easy to just defend the one and leave the other to hang, after which the other will look bad.
But mostly, I'm thrown for a loop by his posts yesterday that aren't pertaining to me. Specifically, I liked his posts about "the wolves powerwolfing" and also stuff like this:
It does sort of feel like Sunbae honestly thinks he is a possible wolf kill. Which obviously would have to be a faked thought if Sunbae's a wolf. There was more that I liked, too, I recall.
Also, Visor voting Sunbae alongside me feels like a setup to me. Very icky.
For good measure, I started to reread Sunbae. Because I felt there were specific things to look for that might be tells.
In this game he's been dodging me. I honestly still feel like it's a bit rude, like... We're playing a reunion game, it might be my last game ever, and villa Sunbae just... Doesn't ever talk to me? I guess I just didn't wanna believe that.
But I wanted to look into that, whether he dodges people in this way as a villa or wolf + him having as many wolf reads as he has this game and how he deals with those reads + how he generally deals with pressure.
Cliffs: I started this whole thing and stopped halfway, because I don't think it's worth the time. I'm getting very inconclusive results. But here is what I have anyway:
June Light Game - Sunbae Town
But I recognize that Sunbae subbing in here might be what is the vital difference.
He seems more friendly and his usual self in that game compared to this one. However, his way of reading people and iso'ing people seems pretty similar to this game. With regards to the dodging, it was difficult to evaluate, since it didn't seem like Sunbae was ever really suspected in that game, and I only read his posts.
Him having subbed into this game makes it difficult to compare anyway, so I'm just gonna not bother anymore and spend my time on something else.
I'm leaving Sunbae be for now.
I honestly still think his way of dodging me this game is a bit rude. If someone had said that villa Sunbae would sub in and not ever really interact with me, I'd be "yeah, right". But we haven't been around much at the same time, so maybe it's just that.
And if Sunbae is villa, there is just the chance that HE doesn't think it's rude. And I guess as wolf he wouldn't actually want to be rude to me still. So he's not actually trying to be rude and therefore I shouldn't be reading into this at all, I've just now decided.
Of course, he's pretty confident that I'm a wolf, and I look like a dumbass right now if I was just right all along, but c'est la vie, I don't claim to be good at this game anymore