gg everyone, thanks for hosting EP, I did have fun even though I was owned pretty baddly by Wallbanger and Arrows on this one.
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gg everyone, thanks for hosting EP, I did have fun even though I was owned pretty baddly by Wallbanger and Arrows on this one.
Well, I need to hit the work so I won´t be around at the end of the phase.
Looks like town has decided to go my way which is understandable. I leave my vote on Destiny as he´s the one I would lynch.
Don´t have time to check how many posts Rev had at this time but pretty sure the two I quoted below were there already.
The thing on Destiny was typical Rev, explaining why Destiny´s vote on Hydreigon isn´t suspicious (If I recall corretly Destiny was suspected a bit because of vote to inactive). Oh course, knowing what I know now, it could well have been wolf protecting his wolf mate but at the time being, it felt to me like he was trying to avoid town going into wrong direction as suspect Destiny because of vote to inactive (I should add that I agreed with Destiny´s direction there as is obvious by the fact that my vote was also on Hydre)Wow, never thought I'd see this day.
Don't get hedgy with it, just jump right in.
Man there is not a lot to go on here. Kuro seems to be the only one trying to put in work thus far but that is a hard tall given the activity level. Shout out to Zerg for answering the usual GDS culture inquiries from new players.
As for the Destiny observation, I may have too much history there being in a scum group with the two of them and knowing his frustration dealing with Hyde, who just never joined our group discord. So I can see where the comment is coming from. Maybe a little more blunt than I'd expect but, ok.
Anyone else have thoughts?
##Unvote Destinylives
Some meta talk here about Dj and why cop cover idea didn´t really work for us. Also some early reads and as I have said, any type of read list is typically an easy townie point from me.Good deal. DJ can be tricky, lots of tricks up the old man's sleeves.
Even when town he can lead everyone in circles before getting to the right destination. For me I've felt trying to read him had been easier if I throw it the actual content of what he says and focus on the feel and intent of the message. Hopefully that makes sense.
As for the cop cover talk and that tactic; it's just never been used at GDS so some can't grasp the utility of it. It'll take a concentrated effort for it to catch on here.
Early early town leans on Kuro, Zerg, DJ.
And slight lean on MLT which is surprising as I default wolf with her most of the time.
Needed to go back and check. The end of the phase is on morning my time and looks like I simply woke up only bit before the phase ended and didn´t have enough time to fully catch up (I did mention this at end of day 2 on a post) so didn´t want to place my vote when I didn´t have clear vote target and had no time to process the info that was obtained while I was sleeping.
Morning, did a quick read on what happened while sleeping. Red Tornado is an interesting claim, if memory serves that´s the role EP did cut from the first game when role needed to be cut so I could see that one being in. That said, think it´s still one of the less likely claims so far.
I would prefer to go with Destiny as him not giving any role info doesn´t look particularly good when most others have claimed but if it is between DJ and me, then I will go DJ for obvious reasons. Have to cast my vote in 20 minutes or so as I´m heading to work then but will wait until then to see if town finds a route to go.
Fair enough on role claim although that won´t make you look any better in my eyes (I know, I know, you ain´t exactly caring about that).
/nod. Nobody has come forward which makes me think the whole thing could be a distraction by DJ. Meanwhile we're no closer to a lynch with not a lot of time left.
Negative I'm afraid. Won't be giving that away just yet.
##Vote zergon before I go to sleep. Sorry mate you know I always respect your play but the albeit possibly circumstantial evidence against you is the most we have had today inthe my eyes.
Will try to catch up in the morning before deadline to see what I've missed.
Can´t really argue about the vote considering night results but being on my likely wolf list combined by unwillingness to share any role info makes me to do the good old OMGUS vote here reagardless of how it might look.
##Vote Destinylives
Good questions, and just to be clear, I have no idea if there is poisoner or not and don´t really think one way or the another on that at the moment but it was an option worth discussing in my eyes. At least on Modbot, it´s told to everyone at the start of the phase if someone is poisoned so if poisoner is around, maybe he/she didn´t want to use the skill before potential healer is found? Then again, that logic wouldn´t explain why someone targeted DJ then so not sure about that.
What is bothering me is how likely it would be in game with this many power roles to only have wolf faction kill? We haven´t seen any extra kills which does make me bit uneasy considering the power level that most characters seem to have and that makes me wonder if other roles like poisoner or arsonist (or some other form of delayed kill) could be in the game.
Ok, did go back to check the previous game. Joker was the poisoner and the symtoms were that the victim voted random person after being poisoned (vote changed to another random person everytime victim voted). I didn´t find any mention on healer and both victims did die so assume there wasn´t any. So guess, poisoner is possible in that light though by no means confirmed.I do have vague memory of some short of delayed kill being in the first game, think there was some hint that character was affected but don´t recall what it exactly was or if there were a counter. Either way, guess poisoner ain´t impossible espesially if there´s assumption that there would be healer around as well.
Sorry, managed to get your name wrong so going to quickly fix that.
Also, Deestiny, I know you said you prefer to not claim your role earlier but can you at least claim your character or does that give too much away?
I do have vague memory of some short of delayed kill being in the first game, think there was some hint that character was affected but don´t recall what it exactly was or if there were a counter. Either way, guess poisoner ain´t impossible espesially if there´s assumption that there would be healer around as well.
Morning.
On the subject of third party, I kind of agree with SometimesSomeone that there should have been more night kills if there´s SK or another group with faction kill so assuming at this point that there isn´t. That said, I have been burned once before by making similar assumption so take this with grain of salt.
What I do wonder is how likely it is that there´s third party that doesn´t have night kills? I do recall there being that type of character in the original game, if I recall correctly that character scanned a player each night and I think he looked for certain character (no idea what would have happened if that character would have been targeted since I don´t think he never found his target before being killed).
I guess this isn´t good point to admit that I didn´t have Syn = Batman connection made?
Please give me a solid reason for scum Zergon to not out my role and DJ's, I have the feeling that things that happened in N1 may lead to a misunderstanding because Zergon's play is villagery.Well that is surprising as what I thought DJ was hinting at is that you are aware of eachother's townieness somehow. That makes me less sure about DJ.
What if all the of the remaining scum didn't vote at that point? It's possible. I wanted to keep my vote on Zergon. The evidence was and is still against him as far as I'm concerned.
Probably he is a god like scum, but not today's elim from my POV. We need more informations.
How do you guys usually scumhunt?
I have few questions:
Why was Syn killed?
Was Dolby blocked again?
Do you have compulsive bussers here? I mean, among the players who voted for Rev before the hammer range, is one well known as a busser?
Scumhunt really depends on the person. Some rely on results, some on reads.
Syn was killed because he was very obviously Batman, and very obviously town and town lead. Whoever's going to convince the town to go down a path to ruin needed Syn out of the way for that to happen.
Scum blocker on Dolby makes sense. As does Dolby just lying, though that's a bold claim to hope isn't in the game. Not sure why no one was on Dolby/Syn to see what goes on.
*Shrug* on the bussers. I'm not the best at reading people's playstyle, so probably not the best to answer this.
As for Dolby, that´s what would bother me without the claim, how likely it is that no-one watched/protected lie detector on either of the last two nights when he´s claim makes him almost certainly town?
This is from day 2, mostly included this as reasoning why I think Syn was aligment cop as he was the one starting cop cover and cleared SometimesSomeone night 1Arrows = SometimesSomeone, yeah?I'm definitely leaning heavily on at least one of them being a wolf..... I'm not sure I'll get used to this wolf thing, I'm so used to saying scum, but haven't seen anyone else say that this game. Wolf just seems so... OLD Fashioned, and me being such a young one makes it feel that more ancient.
I believe Arrows to be town as well. It felt really wolf... SCUMMY, the way MLT threw that vote on after Arrows, but I must caution I've seen MLT do that before and end up being town. Honestly, there is a chance all in this conversation are town. Destiny is slowly winning me over. I need more information though, I haven't played with the new and improved Destiny enough to know if this is normal for Destiny when scum.
Mostly what I don't like is that all three seemed to simultaneously push a Syn/SometimesSomeone world, bonus points with SS joining in. It's mighty coincidental that someone softs they think I'm the real cop, and suddenly I'm suspect #1 and my cop-cover green check is suspect #2. Weird how that happens.
This is afte he told I did visit Darr. Included this one only because it says he had moro than one ability (which I guess everyone does so no big surprise)
Questioning me and my choices for night targets so not a great look for me.
Another one of those, evidence Syn was aligment cop posts.My N2 target of Darr (I can target someone who has died) informs me of everyone who visited Darr, and who Darr visited.Then either
A. There's a bus driver, and both Darr and I wound up at someone switched with DJ, but the bus driver isn't seen by a watcher, in which case you know who DJ was swapped with. Who does your result say?
B. You're lying.
or C. I'm lying.
Which would we like to discuss first?
One name for each. Zergon was the only name who visited Darr. And Darr visited... DestinyLives.
The issue I'm facing here is that I targeted *you* N1 with a different ability, which is supposed to clear you. So I don't think you're a scum lying. But I also don't see how a bus driver would apply here unless for some reason my ability cuts through that, or there's host error.
Wants to flip me in order to figure if ninja kill is a thing here.
More desire to see me lynched.Good choice.Watched SometimesSomeone.Okay, Imarevenant visited SometimesSomeone last nightI am empathetic to yours and Bangers waryness there, but I wasn't there to cause harm.
I'll say it plainly I did not try to kill Sometimes Someone and was not involved with Darr being killed.
I figured I had a 1 in 3 chance of calming someone's negative "feeling" but judging by another's comment I chose poorly. To be clear, I don't know what will happen to that person just that I can alleviate it.
Sorry this is a quick pop in, will be able to be on more a little later tonight.
though to do what is unclear as hell
@SometimesSomeone, did anything happen to you?
@Wallbanger, did you track Imarevenant or watch SometimesSomeone?
Okay, yeah. Right now, Zergon seems to be the best choice. If he flips wolf, then Imarevenant is next, since it'll prove there's no ninja kill in play.
Again, likes to solve the ninja kill thing (this looks really good for me doesn´t it?By all means. It seems based on what we're assuming regarding how the wolf kill works. My path is ideal in a no-ninja-kill world, but if there's a ninja kill...I think there are reasons to prioritize Rev, but that's not a hill I'll die on if the wagon doesn't go there today.
And Eliphas's role seems to imply that the factional kill is an automatic strongarm. Or that his role just can't influence the night kill, for reasons.
Ughhhhhh
Suspecting Shad a bit (Hey, at least I´m not the only one getting shade).man, you've spent all game pocketing me
when people engage you you just give some throwaway line about me and hope everyone lets it go
More bander with Shad.this defensiveness is not a good look
sorry you got caught
Right, did a quick ISO on Syn to try to see if I could find reason why he would have been killed. Thinking it might just be that wolf group realized that he had aligment cop (I assume that what he had).
Other than that, I certainly look the worst here with him stating multiple times that he would like to solve me first. Also banders with Shad a bit and seems to suspect him as well.
I´m probably not the best guy to answer these considering the understandable suspicious towards me but since I´m here I might as well give my take.Well that is surprising as what I thought DJ was hinting at is that you are aware of eachother's townieness somehow. That makes me less sure about DJ.
What if all the of the remaining scum didn't vote at that point? It's possible. I wanted to keep my vote on Zergon. The evidence was and is still against him as far as I'm concerned.
Please give me a solid reason for scum Zergon to not out my role and DJ's, I have the feeling that things that happened in N1 may lead to a misunderstanding because Zergon's play is villagery.
Probably he is a god like scum, but not today's elim from my POV. We need more informations.
How do you guys usually scumhunt?
I have few questions:
Why was Syn killed?
Was Dolby blocked again?
Do you have compulsive bussers here? I mean, among the players who voted for Rev before the hammer range, is one well known as a busser?
Scumhunt: We have a bit of a bad habit on relying bit too much on night results (or that´s at least something I recall hearing from people visiting us). Thread hunting is something I personally think we are getting better at lately but since we tend to play games with plenty of power roles (can´t remember when I last seen vanilla townie) often the direction on day phases is still determinated by night results.
Syn: Good question actually. My first reaction was point out that he had skill that allows him to check who visited dead player night after the kill but since the wolf team have to have ninja, I guess that´s not particularly good logic on my part so there´s likely other reason for the kill.
Dolby: I would be suspicious without the claim but what are the odds that claimed character a) wouldn´t be in the game or b) that someone else would be that character but chose not to contest the claim?
Bussers: This is something I don´t have an answer to as I haven´t really paid attention on that part of people´s meta (mental note for myself to remember to keep an eye on that in the future).
Also, I can assure I´m pretty far from god like wolf.
I would personally expect 4 - 5 considering the power level (in terms of power roles) that EP (and GDS in general) likes to have.Emark is not in my town reads, but because the order of lynches matters, I would prefer to understand how many scum we may have in a game of this size and try to make spew-based associations.My scum list is yourself, Shad and the jury is out on the other one. I don't think DJ and MLT are both town despite DJ seeming to vouch for MLT. Emark's lack of activity is also bothering me and we all know I was ready to lynch his slot on day one before lukesss ended up being lynched.
Would Emark's character definitely be in the game?
We're in an interesting position that we don't trust one another but we're the only ones here so we may as well converse together.
Fair enough on your suspect list.My scum list is yourself, Shad and the jury is out on the other one. I don't think DJ and MLT are both town despite DJ seeming to vouch for MLT. Emark's lack of activity is also bothering me and we all know I was ready to lynch his slot on day one before lukesss ended up being lynched.At this point, yeah, it would be either you or Shad. Do you have any other option that you think I should have there over you?
Would Emark's character definitely be in the game?
We're in an interesting position that we don't trust one another but we're the only ones here so we may as well converse together.
As for Emark´s claim. As far as I know, there´s quite a few incarnations on Justice League (I can think one cartoon and one movie at least but I´d assume there´s more since I don´t know much about DC Universe) but think the character was one of the seven founding members of the cartoon version I know so I do feel it´s quite bold claim if false. The character in question was also in the first game if I recall correctly. With all that said, with more and more claims being made I feel less sure about how strong Emark´s claim actually is but I don´t think he should be target for a lynch today at least
Fair enough, I don´t really look lynch target for today, mainly trying to see what other´s think on people on my middle group and if one of them should be town read or suspected more than the rest.
I think Wallbanger is a villager, at the moment of my vote on Rev he was the first to vote and MLT was the next.
I am not ok to suspect today anyone who voted for Rev before his wagon had traction.
At this point, yeah, it would be either you or Shad. Do you have any other option that you think I should have there over you?
Other than he´s game thread action, I also have role cop result on him and he´s skills feel more towny than wolfy so that combined to how he has played makes me give him town read.Can you expand on this? As it stands I feel you are the most likely lynch candidate today so I feel any information you have to help then town could be useful. The scum already know who is and isn't on their side.
Ah yes, that's right. Can you see a better lynch candidate than yourself coming to the table today? You'd only be willing to lynch myself and Shad right?
Other than he´s game thread action, I also have role cop result on him and he´s skills feel more towny than wolfy so that combined to how he has played makes me give him town read.Can you expand on this? As it stands I feel you are the most likely lynch candidate today so I feel any information you have to help then town could be useful. The scum already know who is and isn't on their side.Yes, there is a reason why Kuro is so high. I´m not 100% sure but based what I know, I am more sure of him than I am on any of the five I put into middle group.I don't know why Banger would, as scum, throw Rev under the bus for what seems like very little reason. Of the people on this list he's the one I trust the most. Is there a reason Kuro is so high on your list? Have had mixed feelings most of the game.
Yes, there is a reason why Kuro is so high. I´m not 100% sure but based what I know, I am more sure of him than I am on any of the five I put into middle group.I don't know why Banger would, as scum, throw Rev under the bus for what seems like very little reason. Of the people on this list he's the one I trust the most. Is there a reason Kuro is so high on your list? Have had mixed feelings most of the game.
Right, so after Eliphas revealed his role, I did go back to rethink my reads as someone has to be fooling me here (unless, for some reason there is only three bad guys and I happen to have the right two on the bottom group which I find unlikely).
town:
SometimesSomeone
Dolby
Kurosaki Ichigo
town lean\neutral:
Wallbanger
djthefunkchris
Eliphas
Emark
MLT
neutral\Wolves:
shad2810
Destinylives
This is were I´m currently am at.
My question to anyone who cares to answer is who on this group you would be quite certain are town/wolfs?
Wallbanger
djthefunkchris
Eliphas
Emark
MLT
Eliphas claim is good enough that I wouldn´t want to go his way right now (although if he is town then I´m certainly missing wolf somewhere) so it had to be either you or shad2810.Same question to you, Zergon. If you could press a button and have someone lynched right now then who would you choose?Think that character was night killed at the last night but that the write-up stated that them were only knocked off and not killed. Then again, I could be wrong since this is only from my memory. And either way, Batman being flipped as Bruce Wayne kind of tells us what we need to know on the subject of direct sequel so this is bit of a smooth point either way.
Honestly, thinking you both have to be non-towns at this point (even though both of you have been giving me reasons to think otherwise) but guess I would go towards Shad right now as I feel we know less about him than we do on you.
Think that character was night killed at the last night but that the write-up stated that them were only knocked off and not killed. Then again, I could be wrong since this is only from my memory. And either way, Batman being flipped as Bruce Wayne kind of tells us what we need to know on the subject of direct sequel so this is bit of a smooth point either way.Oh I thought they did?Pretty sure it was stated that yours didn´t actually die. But yeah, fair enough, and it´s a possibility.
Pretty sure it was stated that yours didn´t actually die. But yeah, fair enough, and it´s a possibility.I know. The question was asked who else could be the Don. I don’t know the theme. Just know I read that. Seeing as my character was eliminated in the last night also.I do recall Lex being resurrected at the end game but don´t think this is a direct continuity with Bruce Wayne being Batman despite being killed in last one. That said, could still be possible that part is taken from the planned sequel.
I do recall Lex being resurrected at the end game but don´t think this is a direct continuity with Bruce Wayne being Batman despite being killed in last one. That said, could still be possible that part is taken from the planned sequel.He wasn’t actually in the last one other than a cameo in the final nights writeup. BrainacI played in the last version of this game but unfortunately my memory isn't what it used to be. I'm not counting on the exact same characters being used in this one.
Seems we are on a same position then.As you seem to be the only one here and I still think you're likely scum let's see if you can make me change my mind. Why did you choose me to role cop last night?I don´t really have enough knowledge on DC to make good guess on that but hard to see Lex working under any "normal" criminal (so any Batman rogue that I would be familiar with) so maybe some more powerful intergalatic thread as I don´t have much idea on Superman/Wonder Women bad guys?
You, Shad and Eliphas were on my suspect list last night after Rev being eliminated so it was going to be one of you three. Shad going after DJ felt bit odd thing to do as wolf and Eliphas has been more open with his role than what you have been so I figured role copping you would be my best option.
I don´t really have enough knowledge on DC to make good guess on that but hard to see Lex working under any "normal" criminal (so any Batman rogue that I would be familiar with) so maybe some more powerful intergalatic thread as I don´t have much idea on Superman/Wonder Women bad guys?I think possibly they might have lost their kill for the next night but the night phase wasn't skipped. Anyway, pretty sure that rule isn't in effect here.Don = godfather. Basically wolf role that makes the wolf look as town if aligment copped and vanilla town is role copped. Also, don being killed occasionally meant that wolfs have to skip faction kill the nexy night which is what DJ iswondering here.
Can´t recall if it happened here, I´d like to saay no since it isn´t mentioned on Modbot supported roles and most of our games have been using modbot. As for GDS, I do recall don getting killed stopping wolf from using faction kill but don´t think that was something that happened in every game there either.
If not Lex then who else could be the don?
Don = godfather. Basically wolf role that makes the wolf look as town if aligment copped and vanilla town is role copped. Also, don being killed occasionally meant that wolfs have to skip faction kill the nexy night which is what DJ iswondering here.
Can´t recall if it happened here, I´d like to saay no since it isn´t mentioned on Modbot supported roles and most of our games have been using modbot. As for GDS, I do recall don getting killed stopping wolf from using faction kill but don´t think that was something that happened in every game there either.
Wish I could take credit from that but unfortunately, I´m just townie who managed to dig nice little hole for myself.
Did double check and found this one after the talk (post 982), so thinking Syn had Darr´s target right.Correction says Darr wasn't the name I was supposed to get, and by unsuccessful, I'm assuming we should take an interest in...
##Vote Eliphas
Is there a reason you chose to roleblock DJ?
Right, I forgot about that. That led the whole is there a busdriver conversion so not sure how I managed to not remember that one.
Then there is Arrows that saw Darr target me. So I'm not sure exactly what happened there. Whose results are right, and what really happened? I think Batman had the names right for sure though.
Did forgot a word that might make that sentence bit more... well easy to understant.I assume so? Syn says Darr visited Destiny night 1, not sure how that would make Destiny Darr´s killer?My N2 target of Darr (I can target someone who has died) informs me of everyone who visited Darr, and who Darr visited.
One name for each. Zergon was the only name who visited Darr. And Darr visited... DestinyLives.
The issue I'm facing here is that I targeted *you* N1 with a different ability, which is supposed to clear you. So I don't think you're a scum lying. But I also don't see how a bus driver would apply here unless for some reason my ability cuts through that, or there's host error.
Or am I reading this wrong?
I assume so? Syn says Darr visited Destiny night 1, not sure how that would Destiny Darr´s killer?My N2 target of Darr (I can target someone who has died) informs me of everyone who visited Darr, and who Darr visited.Then either
A. There's a bus driver, and both Darr and I wound up at someone switched with DJ, but the bus driver isn't seen by a watcher, in which case you know who DJ was swapped with. Who does your result say?
B. You're lying.
or C. I'm lying.
Which would we like to discuss first?
One name for each. Zergon was the only name who visited Darr. And Darr visited... DestinyLives.
The issue I'm facing here is that I targeted *you* N1 with a different ability, which is supposed to clear you. So I don't think you're a scum lying. But I also don't see how a bus driver would apply here unless for some reason my ability cuts through that, or there's host error.
Or am I reading this wrong?
There´s handy bookmark tool on this side. At top of every post you have Bookmark option and five differend colors you can assign your bookmarks (as well as tag were you can write a short note on what the bookmark is all about). Helps a lot when you see a post you might want to revisit later (at the bottom and top of the page, same place were you can find Multi ISO, is the bookmark bar were you can access your bookmarks).@Destiny:
The one SYN visited was SometimesSomeone. This is why I cleared him off my list. IF you look in the thread, you will see SYN actually voted on Dolby when he was MIA. Dolby come and claimed Wonder Woman.
Later I made the remark of sometimes people want to do things, so they can share information. I was talking about the cop cover thing, letting SYN know that's how I know he is town detective (pretty much figured he was Batman too). This is the real reason I think Arrows is town.
I won't reveal why I think MLT is town, but similar circumstances going on.
I never think to write down post numbers, so I have to do all this the hard way... Go back and find it.
I was going to ask how you wouldn´t know if you blocked or not but never mind, I think I understand what you are basically claiming here. I did target you with my role cop by the way.Sigh, how many role blockers there are in this one?
It looks like I wasn't blocked last night then. Zergon didn't do the kill last night unless it was some sort of ninja kill.
Oh, I was kind of assuming you were the one who targeted me but guess not...
Well none of the three claims were my target last night.
Were you blocked or otherwise messed with?
To clarify, I was blocked last night so we have three block claims right from the start.I’m not sure.Sigh, how many role blockers there are in this one?
Sigh, how many role blockers there are in this one?
/nod
Thanks for that. Do you have any plans to block me again tonight? I am starting to feel a bit better about you. We trust Emark because he claimed right? Is his character likely to be in the game?
You claim to be blocked on both nights?You asked me information about my role that is already in the thread if you look hard enough. At least I think you're town now otherwise scum would have likely filled you in elsewhere.
Please don't roleblock me again tonight. I want to try my best to help the town and make things difficult for the scum. If you're town then don't roleblock me tonight.
Did you also block me on night one?
Just checking. Wallbanger already said he saw me somewhere on night one.
You claim to be blocked on both nights?You asked me information about my role that is already in the thread if you look hard enough. At least I think you're town now otherwise scum would have likely filled you in elsewhere.Not sure that not answering the question I asked you leaves you in a position to ask me to do or not do anything that I may or may not have done.
Please don't roleblock me again tonight. I want to try my best to help the town and make things difficult for the scum. If you're town then don't roleblock me tonight.
Did you also block me on night one?
I can see why you would think that way.
Isn´t really needed but guess I add my vote to the bile anyway.
##Vote Imarevenant
Not sure what Witch does so can´t comment on that but why would you need redirector for me and Syn getting our results? I copped Darr and he did whatever the thing is that he does and got a result that I visited Darr and who Darr visited.This is specifically in regard to some speculation with regard to a poisoner with Ima's claimed ability
Ima can die
Still pretty skeptical of Zergon
Honestly, not sure how Zergon/Syn can both have accurate results without a witch/redirector
This is correct unless there´s some odd role I don´t know about.A ninja kill is the only way Zergon is not the wolf who done deaded Darr.This is specifically in regard to some speculation with regard to a poisoner with Ima's claimed ability
Ima can die
Still pretty skeptical of Zergon
Honestly, not sure how Zergon/Syn can both have accurate results without a witch/redirector
Fair enough, I´m Cyborg.
At least back in markisprettyok´s (or I Effin Rule/IER as he was known in GDS) game mafia could do both night kill and use their night ability at the same phase. I remember this because that´s what revealed Too Sweet Spartan as mafia when tracker tracked him to two differend people on one night (one of them being the night kill). That said, that was modbot game not manual like this so not sure how it would be here, just pointing out that it is a possibility for wolfs to do both kill and use their ability in case that changes something.
I also remember this. Zergon, I think it's time to give your character claim. You've already claimed your ability so the flavour shouldn't harm.
At least back in markisprettyok´s (or I Effin Rule/IER as he was known in GDS) game mafia could do both night kill and use their night ability at the same phase. I remember this because that´s what revealed Too Sweet Spartan as mafia when tracker tracked him to two differend people on one night (one of them being the night kill). That said, that was modbot game not manual like this so not sure how it would be here, just pointing out that it is a possibility for wolfs to do both kill and use their ability in case that changes something.To be clear, I don't believe anyone would be able to do both.I don't think so. I don't think I can say for sure he didn't either, because he gave Green Arrow the same exact power he had in the last game I believe, which he played. The one that mattered to me was if he got Kuro right, and it seems as though he did. However, I have to remember if he was scum, someone else might have got that and told him.
I think the scum group all has abilities, some multiple, and whomever they choose will kill instead of using an ability. The rest will all have abilities, similar to the town. Probably one of them has a separate win condition, possibly Joker killing Batman, or Luthor killing Superman, might win the game for them.
So scum group, if you have to save yourself at some time, maybe throw one of them under the bus real quick to save your neck.
In either case, he wouldn't have been able to do both, I don't believe.
I probably should be on the list considering Syn´s claim and the fact I did visit Darr but of the people you left out, Destiny is the only one on my neutral bile so if I would replace myself on your list I would put Destiny in instead.
I assume you mean Wallbanger and Dolby and that you are referring to my read list that I posted on day 2?
Although, not on this side, Mafia Cafe seems to run games that are more about in game solving than night actions or at least that´s my experience with them. You can find a link in GDS discord in our-mafia-friends page.
It´s certainly learning experience or at least my visit to Mafia Cafe was and I do admit that I felt pretty overwhelmed at first with their playing style being quite differend from ours. That said, it´s also good way to learn new stuff and I did have fun time playing with them so I do feel it was well worth my time and I do plan to visit them again at some point.GDS is only this section and we've been playing on a game by game basis mate.
I'm sure if you venture into other parts of the forum there will be barebones type games but I'm a bit scared to go our of my comfort zone with people familiar with me.
Do you think a galaxy brain scum play should hide actions in such game?
@Destinylives are you shy when you are scum?
This may be a better explanation
Don't reveal it yet, it may help scum.
I don't like to claim because I like to find scum in a logical way, not mechanical. And because wrong used claims can blind us.
Everything my dear @Eliphas.
You can start with why did you claim in a way that could destroy the lie detector check?
Please play this game, I don't think the focus on the old games is helpful.
Except you can explain what the flipped townies may be, and how can be linked the abilities Zergon was talking about with Darr's flip.
Won´t reveal my info on you without your permission as I don´t plan to screw your game just to save myself
As for not liking to claim. I don´t like to claim either which is why I didn´t do so in first two days and wouldn´t had done so now either without suddenly being seen as only person to visit a dead player on the night they were killed. So I understand you not wanting to claim and didn´t really hold it against you. I explain my reasoning more on next answer.
It´s not so much any single post that made me suspect him, it´s more about me getting more nervous when I´m town clearing more and more people and that means I sometimes reassessment my earlier town reads. It kind of hard to explain without writing an essey but lets see if I can give short version that hopefully makes some sense.OOG: Okay I finished my work meeting and about to get dinner but managed to read the thread
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Why are you paranoid over kuro when you are town reading him? Did he do anything that deserves your suspicion?
What I meant was, which post in particular that you started feeling paranoid over.
Cause when I read your iso from p#382 you mentioned that Kuro/Dolby/wallbanger are your huge town reads. Kuro you said has been active asking lots of questions as well as answers them and forwards the game.
So which post of theirs that you started being paranoid over?
I did touch this a bit on my earlier read list when I mentioned that I typically give way too many town reads and no wolf reads. Basically, at start of the game, I look for reasons to give people town reads in order to narrow the suspect pool. This leads me to usually give town reads to people that are more active, try to forward the game etc. Now the problem with this logic is that certain players are always active regardless of their aligment and certain people are always quiet so more often than not, my early town reads contain wolves and I know that´s likely to happen. Eventually, I get to the point where I start to feel I have too many town reads and start looking those again and dropping people who I´m least sure are town back to lighter town reads or neutral. Typically I value claims over "feeling town" reasons mostly because I know my logic to assign townies is flawed (because it´s mostly based on activity as discussed earlier) so I trust claims more. This is why I suddenly started to suspect Kuro bit more again with other´s like Wallbanger and Dolby having claims to back their "feels towny" reads. So short answer to your question is that it wasn´t any particular post but rather me feeling that I had too many town reads that led me wanting to double check Kuro in hopes I could either clear him for good in my books or perhaps putting him back into suspect pool depending on the night result. The reason why I called it paranoid is that it´s simply mathematical reason (too many town reads, when it´s actually jsut half of the field I was town reading) and me knowing I suck at finding wolves (past experience giving wolfes town reads) that lead to my decision, rather than actual evidence that something was wrong.
What makes you choose kuro instead of the other 2 that you town read?
My reads did chance quite a bit between posting that and night 2 so for reference, this is the actual read list that I had when I madde my decision on what to do night 2:
town reads (didn´t really have town/town lean separated at this point)
Dolby
Wallbanger
Emark
SometimesSomeone
djthefunkchris
Kurosaki Ichigo
neutral:
Syn
Eliphas
Imarevenant
shad2810
Destinylives
MLT
As for why Kuro over those on the town list most had either character claim (Dolby, SometimesSomenone, Emark) or night action claims (Wallbanger) to back them up (assuming I have understanded everything right). Basically from the town reads, only ones who didn´t have either were DJ nad Kuro and I thought Kuro was more ikely to slip undetected so picked him over DJ.
I already answered why I picked Darr, earlier (post quoted below) but basically she´s similar style of player than I am and someone who I kind of wanted to trust and potentially work with.
Darr is similar style of player than what I am and I think she usually goes unnoticed early game so figured I should check what she had to work with. Plus we have been suspecting each other fairly much in last few games we played together so wanted to see if I could trust her this game as I feel our similar styles could work well together if we actually would be able to trust each other´s for once.
For what´s it worth, here´s the current read list I have:
town:
Kurosaki Ichigo
Syn
Wallbanger
SometimesSomeone
Dolby
town lean:
djthefunkchris
Emark
MLT
neutral:
Eliphas
Imarevenant
shad2810
Destinylives
I am on the usual spot of "no-one looks wolfy" but the bottom four are the current suspect list by virtue of eveyone else feeling more towny to me.
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The answer I got it´s a bit confusing but if I understood it right you have 3.How many abilities I have?I have given my night targets and night actions so I don´t have that much more to offer that I think would help in thsi situation. I can give my character name or the other ability I have and haven´t used it but that´s about it.Don't think "Reverse Flash is too fast to see kill" is too much of a stretch to make regarding only seeing Zergon there. That said, "I'm a role cop" isn't exactly clearing someone's name. I've been a role cop and red. It means literally nothing. He could also not be a role cop and them have one, or you two could be in this together.
I'd like a little more than "I'm a role cop."
I assume you mean ability name? I unfortunately don´t get those, I only get the ability itself (so if I target myself for example, I would get result that I´m role cop but not the name of the ability).
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