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Originally Posted by Wolf in sheeps clothing 1701575001 (#6391)

oh i see

anyway, something I do actually have thoughts on is that I feel the reason we were more accurate than most players is because (I think I made a post about this at eod) we were disconnected from most of the bickering and had an outlook on the game that was free of bias

I can understand that people have different playstyles - people find it easier to engage with the game in their own ways, and sometimes that involves prodding people more directly. but I think people in this game would have benefited from taking a step back and ensuring they stayed objective by discounting biases when it mattered. Half this game was a shouting match but.. the other half, in which people were actually solving, was very well done and was what led town to the right answers in the end

and yes a lot of town slots make themselves obvious by playing in a caustic way, but I don't think I'd say the ends justify the means, because the game did seem to be miserable... quite a lot of the time? and like.. it's possible to get a good solve without playing like this lol

Agreed on this, there was a lot of entirely unnecessary v/v violence that could have been avoided; much easier and smoother ways to get to what turned out to also be an easy answer in the end!!!!!

Sorry for the delay in posting this, my event organizer brain turns off whenever I'm in a game; I'm out now, though!!!

Inaugural Discord ToS Championship Representative Nomination Thread

This is the thread for discussing and nominating MU's Discord ToS championships representative - it's quite similar in format to MU champs, except it'll be hosted in the Testing Grounds Discord Mafia community (who sent angry sheriff in season 10, and is also the host of this event!), with their qualifiers behind held from mid-dDecember to mid-January and finale held in February!!!! More details here!

Nominations require a second to be eligible, and each person is allowed to make 1 unique nomination and 1 unique second!! If the person you attempted to nom/second declines or is otherwise ineligible, you can try again with someone else!!

Eligible nominations will be accepted when the person posts in this thread to accept it, so when you nominate someone please ping/contact your nominee so they can accept it!

You have until Saturday December 9th to get your nominations in before we move on to the voting period!

No self-noms/seconds, no voting multiple times with alts!!

Player	Nominator	Second
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People ineligible to be nominated include:

• Anyone already going as a rep/backup for another community
• Anyone currently banned

Easy game hype let's go!!!!!!

Hype thanks to Haze for the hydra, we managed some rather hype stuff there!!!! Particularly enjoyed us getting into our stride on the last day, felt like we were really getting into it there!! A lot of parts of this game that I enjoyed a lot overall, especially getting to play with several players who I've only spectated previously; think my favorite was that last EoD, with mostly good vibes all around!!!!!

Just a query for the mafia: why the claim/what was the plan behind that? Were you always planning to rescind, or were you planning to try and win a thunderdome (and if so who did you think was the doc)?

Hydra Event 2023: Game 4, The Witch's Moon

HYDRA GAME 4: December 4th, Setup: Adapt6 (15er), 48 hour Days/24 hour Nights, 4 PM EST End of Day, Daily Post Cap of 150

Start Date: Monday 12/4 @ 4 PM EST
Phase Length: 48/24
Phase End: 4PM EST
Setup: Adapt6
Hosted by: @Arapocalypse as overseer and @Garden Gnome as flavour writer - please contact @Arapocalypse for any game-related questions/issues!

#	Hydra	Player 1	Player 2
1	@Golden Arches	@TheGoldenTyranno	@Macdougall
2	@I Sheep Wolves	@Alyssa the Lamb	@Creature
3	@Indecisive Wafflers	@InstantHammers	@Kajot
4	@Jekyll and Hyde	@Void	@Jazzy Kate
5	@Jevil	@Delta	@Joker13
6	@L&M	@ladd	@Michelle
7	@Lost 50-50	@Disquieted	@Ephemera
8	@NBGVCR	@Vulgard	@Arete
9	@North Polarized	@Arctic	@May
10	@Prickly Pear	@Dandelion	@matt
11	@Princess Squirtle	@Illven	@Taffy
12	@shtick	@Shadi	@Stick
13	@TangleCape	@Tanglefire	@Cape90
14	@Timon and Pumbaa	@Duskfall	@Nuxl
15	@Wazanny	@Manny	@Happy

SETUP: Adapt 6

Each of the 6 columns from the below table represents a different constituent setup, one of which will be chosen at random and used for the game:

Analyse	Deter	All-round	Protect	Track	6lock
Town Odd Night Tracker Town Even Night Vanilla Cop Town 2-shot Doctor 9x Vanilla Town Mafia 2-shot Watcher Mafia Roleblocker Mafia Goon	Town Jack of All Trades Town 2-shot Roleblocker Town Odd Night Doctor 9x Vanilla Town Mafia Roleblocker Mafia Jack of All Trades Mafia Goon	Town Jack of All Trades Town Even Night Vanilla Cop 10x Vanilla Town Mafia Jack of All Trades 2x Mafia Goon	Town Odd Night Doctor Town Even Night Jailkeeper 10x Vanilla Town Mafia 1-shot Jailkeeper 2x Mafia Goon	Town Odd Night Tracker Town 2-shot Doctor 10x Vanilla Town Mafia 1-shot Tracker 2x Mafia Goon	Town 2-shot Roleblocker Town Even Night Jailkeeper 10x Vanilla Town Mafia 1-shot Roleblocker 2x Mafia Goon

Town Jack of All Trades has 1x Doctor, 1x Motion Detect and 1x Roleblock.

Mafia Jack of All Trades has 1x Role Cop and 1x Roleblock.

Town 2-shot Doctor, Town 2-shot Roleblocker and Mafia Roleblocker are non-consecutive (cannot target the same player two nights in a row). Doctor actions can't self-target.

Mafia flips will only reveal the alignment of the Mafia player, whereas Town flips will reveal the full role of the Town player.

Town Role	Description
Vanilla Town	The Vanilla Townie has no special powers or night actions. Their only power is their vote and voice during discussions.
Town Doctor (Odd Night or 2-shot)	The Town Doctor (either Odd Night or 2-shot) may use the Protection ability on nights when their role is active, which will protect the target from death for that night. This role cannot self-target, and will not explicitly learn whether or not they successfully protected someone. If 2-shot, then this role is Non-consecutive, meaning it cannot target the same player two nights in a row.
Town Jack of All Trades	The Town Jack of All Trades, also known as Town JOAT, may use each of the following night abilities once throughout the game: Doctor, Roleblock and Motion Detect. This role may not use multiple abilities on the same night. Doctor will protect the target from death for that night. The Town JOAT cannot self-target with this action, and will not explicitly learn whether or not they successfully protected someone. Roleblock will prevent the target from using their night action. Players will not be informed that they were roleblocked. See "Roleblock & Jailkeep Mechanics" below for further info. Motion Detect will detect motion if the target has either visited someone, or has been visited by someone else. All night actions can be detected, including Mafia's factional kill.
Town Even Night Jailkeeper	The Town Even Night Jailkeeper may use the Jailkeeping ability on even numbered nights (night 2, 4, 6, etc), protecting the target from death and prevent the target from using their night action. This role cannot self-target, and will not explicitly learn whether or not they successfully protected someone. Players will not be informed that they were jailkept. See "Roleblock & Jailkeep Mechanics" below for further info.
Town 2-shot Roleblocker	The Town 2-shot Roleblocker may use the Roleblock ability on two different nights. This will prevent the target from using their night action. This role is Non-consecutive, meaning it cannot target the same player two nights in a row. Players will not be informed that they were roleblocked. See "Roleblock & Jailkeep Mechanics" below for further info.
Town Odd Night Tracker	The Town Odd Night Tracker may use the Tracking ability on odd numbered nights (night 1, 3, 5, etc). This informs them who their target visited on that night, if anyone. The Tracker will not learn what type of night action(s) their target used, only who their target visited. If a player who is using multiple night actions on different targets is tracked, the player will be seen visiting all of their targets. If a player using multiple actions on the same target is tracked, they would only be seen visiting the target once. All night actions can be tracked, including the Mafia's factional kill.
Town Even Night Vanilla Cop	The Town Even Night Vanilla Cop may use the Vanilla Inspection ability on even numbered nights (night 2, 4, 6, etc). This informs them whether or not their target is Vanilla or not, i.e. whether or not they have powers or modifiers. This means that Vanilla Townies and Mafia Goons will appear as "Vanilla", whereas any other roles will appear as "Not Vanilla".

Mafia Role	Description
Mafia Goon	The Mafia Goon, or Vanilla Mafia, is a standard mafia-aligned player with no abilities other than carrying out the factional kill.
Mafia Jack of All Trades	The Mafia Jack of All Trades, also known as Mafia JOAT, may use each of the following night abilities once throughout the game: Role Cop and Roleblock. This role may not use multiple abilities on the same night. Role Cop will reveal the target's role and any role modifiers. Roleblock will prevent the target from using their night action. Players will not be informed that they were roleblocked. See "Roleblock & Jailkeep Mechanics" below for further info.
Mafia 1-shot Jailkeeper	The Mafia 1-shot Jailkeeper may use the Jailkeeping ability on one night. This will protect the target from death and prevent the target from using their night action. This role cannot self-target, and will not explicitly learn whether or not they successfully protected someone. Players will not be informed that they were jailkept. See "Roleblock & Jailkeep Mechanics" for further info.
Mafia Roleblocker (may be 1-shot)	The Mafia Roleblocker (may be 1-shot) may use the Roleblock ability each night, which prevents the target from using their night action. This role is Non-consecutive, meaning it cannot target the same player two nights in a row. Players will not be informed that they were roleblocked. See "Roleblock & Jailkeep Mechanics" below for further info.
Mafia 1-shot Tracker	The Mafia Tracker may use the Tracking ability on one night. This informs them who their target visited on that night, if anyone. The Tracker will not learn what type of night action(s) their target used, only who their target visited. All night actions can be tracked.
Mafia 2-shot Watcher	The Mafia 2-shot Watcher may use the Watch ability on two different nights. This informs them who visited their target on that night, if anyone. If multiple people visit the target, the Watcher will receive multiple names. The Watcher will not learn what type of night action was used on their target, only who visited their target. All night actions can be watched.

• Players will not be informed that they were roleblocked or jailkept.
• If an X-shot role or Jack of All Trades role is roleblocked or jailkept while they are using one of their abilities, they will lose that ability shot forever.
• If 2+ of the same blocking roles (e.g. only Roleblockers or only Jailkeepers) target eachother on the same night, they can all be tracked and watched in this scenario, and should one of them also be carrying out the factional kill in this scenario, the factional kill will be prevented. These same rules also apply to longer loops, e.g. A -> B -> C -> A.
• If players with Roleblock and Jailkeep abilities target eachother on the same night, roleblock actions will go through whereas the jailkeep actions will not.
• If an attempted investigative ability (i.e. Track, Watch, Motion Detect, Role Cop or Vanilla Inspection) has been roleblocked or jailkept, the following feedback will be given: "Your action on Player X failed”. Note that this is different to a negative (e.g. no visit) result.
• If a player has been roleblocked or jailkept, then they cannot be seen by Tracker, Watcher or Motion Detector.

Relevant mechanics info
- Day start.
- Majority elimination will not be enabled during day 1 and is not required at any point for the elimination. Starting on Day 2 and until LYLO, majority will be enabled at 12 hours after SoD (in 36/12s and 48/24s) OR at 24 hours after SoD (in 72/24s). LYLOs are an exception to the majority delay, during which majority will be enabled immediately.
- Tied votes will result in a player being eliminated at random from among the tied players.
- No outside communication. I.e. you may not contact the other players outside of the thread (unless you are Mafia and wish to speak with your teammates).
- Phase Lengths and Deadlines will be up to the players themselves (I’ll organize your representative into a game with deadlines that suit their preferences).
- Thread is locked during Night Phases.
- Votes are automatically locked in at LYLO.
- Mafia share a factional Night Kill, which is a single standard shot for their faction. The mafia faction kill is mandatory.
- Mafia may communicate at any time.
- Each individual player may make a maximum of 125 posts per day phase (this restriction is lifted 1 hour before day end).
- The game will have a host to oversee everything and make sure everyone’s following the code of conduct, but otherwise the game is completely automated (automatic votecounts, thread locks and reveals alignments automatically, the bot receives and processes actions, etc.).

HYDRA GAME 4: December 4th, Setup: Adapt6 (15er), 48 hour Days/24 hour Nights, 4 PM EST End of Day, Daily Post Cap of 150

#	Hydra	Player 1	Player 2
1	@Golden Arches	@TheGoldenTyranno	@Macdougall
2	@I Sheep Wolves	@Alyssa the Lamb	@Creature
3	@Indecisive Wafflers	@InstantHammers	@Kajot
4	@Jekyll and Hyde	@Void	@Jazzy Kate
5	@Jevil	@Delta	@Joker13
6	@L&M	@ladd	@Michelle
7	@Lost 50-50	@Disquieted	@Ephemera
8	@NBGVCR	@Vulgard	@Arete
9	@North Polarized	@Arctic	@May
10	@Prickly Pear	@Dandelion	@matt
11	@Princess Squirtle	@Illven	@Taffy
12	@shtick	@Shadi	@Stick
13	@TangleCape	@Tanglefire	@Cape90
14	@Timon and Pumbaa	@Duskfall	@Nuxl
15	@Wazanny	@Manny	@Happy

Sorry for the late ping again! If you haven't checked in recently, please make sure to confirm you're here and hyped to play in hydra game 4 starting December 4th! Rand will be at 9pm EST!!

Going to sit here because why not; will see if I come back within a few hours, might be back in the last handful (literally) minutes of EoD, or just next year!!!!!

Originally Posted by Cuthalion 1701500993 (#2465)

oh i'm voting visor

that explains why i wasn't listed in people's lists of low-posting no-voters

but also makes my bad joke earlier worse rip

Hey Cuth!!!! Anything you want to talk about?

Why are you voting Visor/who do you want to vote today?

Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal 1701498665 (#2463)

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse 1701498367 (#2462)

Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal 1701497752 (#2459)

Means killing into this would be like :Eyes: but also wouldn't help us really. with a few steps IE notes.

What does this mean?

I've got similar-ish top tiers at least, except Michelle; why do you have her as a town lean?

Michelle for overall her early day 1 i think was enough to town lean. THough main reason not higher is the doesn't feel to have continued after that point.

Hmm okay, good to know at least!!!

Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal 1701497752 (#2459)

Means killing into this would be like :Eyes: but also wouldn't help us really. with a few steps IE notes.

What does this mean?

I've got similar-ish top tiers at least, except Michelle; why do you have her as a town lean?

The lendunistus ISO is an easy one at least, would recommend that one for anyone trying to get back into the game in a quick and easy way!!!!!

But yeah, in short: feels very comfortable/like he's trying to solve whenever he's back here, like the short bursts of stuff he's put down!!!! Not really much else to it, shrug!!

Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal 1701496362 (#2455)

Legit i would kill theses three if i had a gun and be comfortable regardless what happens cause then the player list is diveresed into players i have harder reads on.

Also i keep forgetting there are 4 mafia thought was three earlyier and we were in a 15er dam this game has been long a means we are 9v4 as a reminder!!!!

I make the mistake of thinking it's a 15er so frequently here, you have no idea!!!!!

Anyways, what's good?

Michelle ISO... hmm; bit torn on this one!!!!

On one hand, there are several moments which feel generally towny - liked the focus/interactions she was having at EoD 1 there (such as with Shad), felt like active town reaching out trying to solve and stuff!!

Other stuff like Marshal, I'm torn on; she was very insistent on pushing Marshal for the incorrect metaread, which I'd generally leave as a slightly towny point, but... it feels a little overly drawn out? Not because it persisted over a matter of months, but I'm more referring to the fact that there were other things going on in the thread at the time, and the focus there seems a little overly narrow!!

Another thing that pinged me was P#2205 - why vote ignoramus to put them at tied wagons with Cuth, when you hadn't spoken about either of them recently at all? Your most recent mention of one of them was P#1963, where it was a bit of suspicion but ultimately resulted in a townread?

@Michelle Curious if you have the time to look back and see if you can figure out why you made that vote? I'm assuming you don't remember at this point, which is fair; a brief skim back could be useful though!!

Thinking maybe I will just spend night phase devising an activity plan for people, thoughts?

From what I can tell, lack of activity is killing town more than mafia are at this point!!!!! Thus, that is what we will need to battle first in order to face the actual mafia next year!!!!!

We sure are lightgaming, with those postcounts!!!!!!

I'm going to get back into it with a few ISOs, try and pick up where I left off!!!!

Heads up I'll be around for the next hour or two, if people want to chat!! This is also this is probably the last time I'll be in the thread this day phase, since I've got plans tomorrow and am not rushing home on account of this game!!

Not going to lie, I opened the thread yesterday (or the day before? some time ago), got to Visorslash's post and sort of just thought huh, don't I have better things to do than play with people who don't care about the game?

I seem to be afflicted with "must care about stuff even (or especially) if other people don't" syndrome, so here we are!!!!!

Originally Posted by Visorslash 1701252092 (#2437)

i aint providin reasons for anything

##Vote Visorslash

Got distracted, opened an ignoramus ISO and was about to write up a case on it!!!!!

Okay not going to pull quotes, but I think I'm at least decently comfortable with Trustworthy Liberal, for the moment!!!!!

There's a few solid throughlines that exist even throughout the years that makes sense, like the focusing on votes in a fairly consistent manner - as consistent as you can get, I think!!! P#2050 in particular was one which stood out to me, for example!! Also various moments of prodding people, felt like tinges of genuineness there; I'm not entirely sure what my previous issue there was, but I'm ignoring my past self's read for now because she's not here!!

Quite possible that part of this is due to recency bias with them being the main other person showing up here, but hey, we work with what we got here so I'm rolling with it!!!!

(Note: this is more from Trustworthy Liberal's latter end of their ISO, as I'd rather focus on it a little but do some other stuff too while I'm here!)

Meh, I was going to ping everyone individually, but... it's a bit tiring/unfulfilling to corral people when they're not here, you know?

Maybe later; going to dig into the Trustworthy Liberal ISO now first though!!!!

Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 1670036326 (#2301)

Originally Posted by Cuthalion 1670036252 (#2297)

Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 1670036186 (#2294)

Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal 1670036070 (#2288)

God me replying to a post not at me again.

Better now then never seeing how this day phase went tbh

Yeah but like they've got the whole night to catch up and then majority of a year to talk about those thoughts. What does getting them out now serve to the game as a whole or them making a vote choice?

if you think i'm going to spend time on this game over the night phase i'm sorry

i'm paying attention to the game now for better or for worse

Sorry your right, see you 30 minutes from EOD next year.

@Wesmaster160 if you could please show up more than 30 minutes from EoD this year, that would be appreciated!!!!

Originally Posted by Visorslash 1699776560 (#2407)

##Vote sheepsaysmeep

@Visorslash Any chance you want to get in here and talk about this vote? Trustworthy Liberal has been around, by the way!!!!

@Frog @Ampharos Who do you want to vote today? Would like to hear thoughts please, EoD is tomorrow!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal 1701074395 (#2423)

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse 1678257919 (#2351)

Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal 1672723873 (#2321)

Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 1672722895 (#2320)

Howdy.

Hey :wave:

I was gonna try reading back but honestly just didn't want to.


How was your new years?

@Trustworthy Liberal Curious as to if you'll have any time to read back a little, over hte next few months!!! Even if it's just 1 ISO and notthe entire game!!!

Would be interested in stuff like your current read on Cuth, and also what was your read on DkKoba at EoD?

Cuth themselves i feel is in this middle zone i don't town read them currently in my thoughts at all!!!

Alot of this is nothing they have said stuck (same boat with WWH/lendunistus)

It's mostly that really I am not really feeling AI from them where they have been able to sit. (Again rereading other two days wednesday as made sure not to book game session than for this unlike today)

DkKoba I was town reading part way the day but realized there was a very small world if i kept my not full trust there verbally that if they lived the day could help. (Did i not do this if so is funny but that was the last though on my notes left and am not rereading my ISO xD)

But ya Cuth is in this null guess leaning down but feels auto mode which isn't great.

Bascially Cuth could die but am 1000% rereading that wednesday if that becomes the idea cause i am not comfortable afking into that one nearly as much as Ampharos. (Really it feels afking but I've wanted this for going over 2 years.)

Appreciate the thoughts, sorry that I can't remember why I asked this though!!

Cuth... basically sure, from what I've seen thus far!!!!

That being said, do you think wagon composition really matters at the moment, with how the game currently has been going?

Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal 1701073667 (#2421)

Okay small post before bed was busy and honestly never saw replies so wasn't rushed.

Do people wanna plan a time wednesday to like live talk before EoD gives us time afterwards and is a day i am like able to just sit and talk live think that will be better help then me jsut looking back and everything blurring together.

Please ping me if you can and a time i'll do best to alot time to talk if we do a few sessions that works for me or atleast will try to best i can.

@Trustworthy Liberal I could do Wednesday, would rather do Thursday if possible though!!!!

Any time between 10pm-6am EST works!!!

(Also noting that there's a very real chance I won't be around on Saturday EoD, still figuring out plans for then though so we'll see!!)

Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal 1701032542 (#2420)

I do wanna bring up with these now like confirmed t/t I think wolfs are 100% more wanting Marshal out over Ignoramus (despite my more scum reads being on the ignoramus wagon)

Like only Marshal poses a threat there and had any semblence of self preservation, Also worth noting a drop in Frog here (We are not going there today I am just still waiting for his response since over a year ago now to my last question and kinda effs but whatever.)

Basically looking an non-voters/off wagoners I remember liking Lendun day 1 alot more than Cuth. (More jsut stating mental thoughts atm)

I also suspect ara still i forget if i posted earlyer was more how they were reading me felt like they were going in for the get me voted from the start there as a pre determinded choice rather than a geniune read. Could i be a little biased here yes but it jsut rubs the wrong way and has been a thought i keep having while not playing here.

I guess another small thing I've avidly said i want Ampharos voted people know this has had them at basically 3 votes all day no contestment no one doing anything I a can't tell if this is a dead air dead town or a everyone just isn't playing mafia and it has me in this paranoid area. I was right on marshal and Ignor so realistically i should jsut trust my read and kill it. but that voice hurts alittle to ignor if i am wrong. AAAAAAAAAA

Amy Wagoners
Shad
Visor
Frog
Marshal
TrustworthyLiberal

This is before today i am gonan clarify

Am a go play lethal company for a bit than try and do some more hard to get motivation here honestly

For what it's worth, I don't think wagons currently mean much in relation to the inactivity!!

Good point on bringing up day 1 wagons though, those definitely did exist and I do recall there being a fair amount of discussion around there, even if I can't remember what it was for!!!

Honestly a bit difficult to discern the alignments of people here when many aren't playing, but hey, gotta start somewhere!!!!!

Originally Posted by Michelle 1700470072 (#2417)

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse 1700459381 (#2410)

Originally Posted by Michelle 1699255797 (#2401)

Thanks for the reminder Aquilla!!!

I'm here until Eod, for now back reading because I don't remember much of the game

@Michelle Anything interesting from your backread?

From today I noted that the only solvy posts are
GG P#2334
Ara P#2338 the convo with Koba is very townie fmpov and there's a chain of posts following and a vote in March who is the last until now (that was at the moment of my note)

After that I don't find any solving attempt until you came again recently.

My intention was to read more than this day but I subbed in a game offsite and I was distracted

Cool, thanks for getting back to me!!!

Agreed on the Garden Gnome post, that does (re?)affirm my townread comfortably there!!

Hydra Tips/Reminders

Do not paste anything from private conversations into the game thread - paraphrase instead!!! This includes any text from hydra Discord dms/servers or private threads, particularly with timestamps, as well as screenshots!! You may paraphrase information from your hydra chat, but it must be typed in your own words - if you're not sure if something crosses the line, please ask!

Okay to post:

• Ara told me in hydra chat that she has a townread on this hydra!!!

Not okay to post:

• So here's what Ara said: [3:41 AM] Arapocalypse: Tell the thread I said this hydra is extremely hype!!!!

Do not discuss ongoing games outside of their game thread or relevant mafia/hydra chats - this means that you can't say that you are multitabling, refer to events in other games in this game thread (such as another hydra game's EoD), or speculate on other players multitabling as per the multitabling rules!!

Have fun - treat your fellow players with respect, remembering that this is a game and that everyone is here to enjoy the hydra hype - this is not optional!!!

@Broken Knee
@Disaster
@Double Letters
@Exceptional Elements
@Frank Slanka
@greedy rats
@Hobbes and Hobbes
@Hooty
@Jormungandr
@Real Purr
@Town Misleaders
@Turbo Team
@wolf cubs
@Yumeko Jabami

Hydra Event 2023: Game 3, Wheel of Time

Hydra Game 3

Start Date: Monday 11/27 @ 5 PM EST
Phase Length: 48/24
Phase End: 5PM EST
Setup: Mountainado
Hosted by: @LordQuas as overseer and @Zwangzug as flavour writer - please contact @LordQuas for any game-related questions/issues!

#	Hydra	Player 1	Player 2
1	@Broken Knee	@Boquise	@Kuti plz
2	@Disaster	@Delta	@Xanjori
3	@Double Letters	@Manny	@matt
4	@Exceptional Elements	@SamP4Palmer	@0Ix
5	@Frank Slanka	@NANOOKTHECONQUEROR	@Fatmo
6	@greedy rats	@NerdyGirlTaylor	@Void
7	@Hobbes and Hobbes	@NateTheLesser	@Eleanor the Avocado
8	@Hooty	@Shinichi	@Arete
9	@Jormungandr	@Creature	@neil the eel
10	@Real Purr	@Porscha	@Myzrael
11	@Town Misleaders	@Arctic	@Vulgard
12	@Turbo Team	@wiggles1993	@Beck
13	@wolf cubs	@BlueKang	@Michelle
14	@Yumeko Jabami	@arogame123	@Prince J

Setup

A game consisting solely of Vanilla Towns and Mafia Goons (9vs3 or 11vs3). On N1 the Mafia team chooses a player to give a Desperado shot. A Desperado is a Day Vig that upon hitting a Mafia will kill the Mafia player. If a Desperado shot hits a Town, the shooter dies instead.

Edited for clarify: you do not get more than one shot, regardless of if you hit mafia or town!

Edited again to clarify: The desperado shot MUST be given to a town! This town player cannot be the same one that the N1 kill is on

Randing hydra game 3 in 11 minutes, get hyped!!!!!

Having skimmed through a bunch of stuff from yesterday, I'll leave it at that for tonight!!! I do want to make sure I get into the following over the next few days:

• ISO TrustworthyLiberal
• ISO MIchelle
• ISO Wesmaster/Shad (yes they're probably my top town currently, noting this is only if I have time)
• Wagon discussion
• Planning out next year - I have a few strategies I want to propose, will think on and get back to people on those

Would be hype if people wanted to pop in and chat, as for the rest of the day I'm aiming to be on either every day or every other day around this time!!!!

Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 1690769921 (#2364)

Going to make a large post in August to try and start getting things going before we get right up to EoD.

Mostly just posting to force myself to do it now that I've publicly said I would.

@Wesmaster160 Checking in on what you were planning to put in your large post?

Would also very much appreciate some of your thoughts on where you're at on Cuthalion, when you have time; I say that, but also emphasizing we have less than 2 weeks until Eod!!!!

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse 1678256384 (#2344)

So I was just going to ISO Cuth's EoD posts but there's less than 100 overall, so a few overall thoughts:

Cuth did do an earlier full ISO of ignoramus at P#2074, makes a bit more sense as to why he wouldn't have still been there at EoD I think? I do feel like the thoughts expressed here feel somewhat natural though/don't seem that TMI-y, I guess? Still, would have to see how that went given how EoD was... Would be very curious as to if anyone else has thoughts on this post in particular, given that we should be able to better discern if it has TMI or not since we now have TMI!!!

I also only just realized ignoramus didn't post at all yesterday, which... hmm, not sure if it's still worht ISOing them!!

Okay so in P#2259, I'm guessing Cuth probably just forgot about his earlier read on ignoramus? Sort of want to call that towny because you'd be more self-conscious as mafia about making sure your reads align with what you'd said previously, but also with the nature of this game Cuth could have anticipated that better than in a normal game... still, feels like the former probably makes more sense, for it to be towny? Especially when at that point in the game, ignoramus was clearly dying and practically nothing would have resulted in a different death, which means that it would have been easy for Cuth to just grab free town points by going in and lightly defending ignoramus there!!

In P#2266, his read on me makes me feel better about my previous point, because his read is that I'm towny for defending someone that flippedtown at EoD; him not taking the opportunity to do exactly that as mafia at this EoD feels towny!!! Granted, I could be overthinking this a little!

P#2295 was what I referred to in an earlier post, where Cuth mentions he was ISOing alphabetically but then changed his mind to do it randomly based on other things!! Reminds me vaguely of some recent-ish game where one of the mafia started ISOing alphabetically and then gave up - I feel like while this is similar, the logic for reading it is the opposite? Basically, just going down alphabetically is a "trying to get into the game without really solving" type of thing, but the shift into basically just going with what he wanted indicates more of a solving mindset?

After all that, I feel like I'ved typed out more of a townread than I actually feel, where I'd put him down as a vague townread that I'm concerned about misreading at the moment!!

Hence, would really love it if anyone has further thoughts here to share and discuss here, would be really helpful!!!! Especially if you suspect him, looking at you Wesmaster!!!!

I do also have a few further concerns, will get to it after this...

Thank you past me for ISOing Cuth!!!!

That being said, having lightly gone through his ISO again... I'm not really sure if I agree with the conclusion there!!

Namely, P#2281 stands out there a lot - @Cuthalion how's the hard look at Sheep going?

Noting there's a few other things I disagree with my previous assessment on, one of them being Sheep + not attributing points either way with regards to their consideration of ignoramus, given how long it'd been since his last read of ignoramus!!!

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse 1678256652 (#2345)

@Cuthalion I'm curious as to what if any reads you feel best and/or strongest about? I feel like a lot of your reads have been really uncertain, and while I get that that's a thing, not sure how much is really behind most of those!!!

Would also be appreciated if yuo could elaborate/dig deeper on the thoughts you expressed here, given the flip:

Originally Posted by Cuthalion 1670036170 (#2291)

Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal 1670036031 (#2286)

Originally Posted by Cuthalion 1670035904 (#2281)

i wanna look hard at sheep if igno flips v

i think there's a fairly hard align that can be gotten between sheep/amy but i'm not sure if it's together or not and i don't have the time to dig deeper

This feels a

Is there more to the first thought?

Feels distracted alittle here

yes there is

sheep kinda comes into eod and not fence-sits but something along those lines

like accepts them as focus and centralizes them?

Also if you have time to maybe carve out some time here, even if it's only 2-3 times before EoD, that would be appreciated; would love to try and coordinate something if possible!!!

@Cuthalion Pinging you with this again as you still have not responded - would appreciate it if you could get back to me on this!!!!

For the record, I'm comfortable with not touching their top tier today, and will only start ISOing their second tier if I end up putting more time here than expected!!

Which, granted, there's a non-zero chance that'll happen... regardless, given the way I've planned and set up stuff next year (doing less champs stuff), I expect I'll be able to dig in more next year regardless!!!!

(Actually lowkey hyped for day 4 already, there's some fun strategies of looking back on stuff which I suspect will be hype to dig into, regardless of whether we get a town or mafia flip!!!)

But for now anyways, I basically just need some way to narrow this down, and this seems a better way than relying on memory/anything else!!!

Pulling out some of DkKoba's last posts for reference:

Originally Posted by DkKoba 1670018369 (#2233)

btw frog/shad are towny asf don't let paranoia change your mind. TL is howling and should always be resolved before those 2.

Originally Posted by DkKoba 1670019322 (#2234)

Don't touch these unless theres good evidence they are mafia(i.e. they try to save scum in a way that seems disingenuine and not towny, etc.) :

Shad
Frog
Arapocalypse
WerewolfHunter
Wesmaster160
Garden Gnome
sheepsaysmeep
______
Personally think these are town, am asking to legacy shield them at least a day:

lendunistus
Ampharos
Visorslash -> just because this is at the bottom right above igno does not mean i think this is scum if igno flips town btw - I think an igno town flip requires a deeper look into these 3. I simply currently have the least confidence that this slot is town - however I do have confidence it is town.


Myt working solve, please make this the pool of players to kill tomorrow, regardless of igno flip. Do not try to hunt for scum elsewhere please until after you at least shoot once more into this pool tomorrow - I am confident that if igno is scum than the other 3 are v likely scum:

ignoramus
Michelle
Cuthalion
Trustworthy Liberal



These are all ordered within tiers.

Originally Posted by DkKoba 1670035089 (#2262)

the reason i want the pool i presented to be shot in and why i put amph as town is also because i see them being set up as a mislim by the people im very much most suspicious of pushing an agenda and feel their read on amph is disingenuous

Originally Posted by DkKoba 1670035978 (#2282)

I showed myself in Semis perfectly capable of creating perfect towncores, across several games this year able to solve 100% by the end of N1, if not outright creating a full perfect solve.

I am intoxicated right now so uhh yeah.



but honestly cuth's catchup is.. like notably null? like gut wise it makes me *want* to townread the slot bc of the fact he is making analysis - however the way the analysis is dripping in is *jagged* in nature like cuth is looking at a post, and only thinking about how he would feel about it individually. like yknow, really decent kind of maf play kinda way. probably worth looking into what cuth' reasonable scumrange is wrt presenting reads next dayphase - I am willing to eat crow due to him putting in the effort to do *something* however it is weird to pop in EoD and do this and not try to solve what the top wagon is, and ultimately the goal comes off as performative - that is to say cuth, I'd like to know why just now you're really into doing what you're doing.

Originally Posted by DkKoba 1670036050 (#2287)

I think absolutely that if igno flips town - you need to look straight at my bottom 3 of michelle + cuth + TL and how they treated Igno slot this game.

i regret I dont have the mental capacity right now to cross reference D1 with this current EOD because it feels juicy info wise compared to the rest of the dayphase (well I think iirc there are some slots i did get to solve like wes earlier which was great)

but yeet.

Originally Posted by DkKoba 1670036093 (#2289)

Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 1670036014 (#2285)

Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 1670035827 (#2279)

So like, what's the plan here Cuth? I don't get why you're looking at whatever posts your looking at with half an hour left in the day?

Like look at igno or TL?

I guess you did say you looked at them last time you popped in. Just feels like a weird time to want to be in catch up iso mode?

MIND MELD

can i assign you town leader if i die lol

i mean u were kinda 2nd place contributer anyways after frog kinda stopped being interested in the game

Originally Posted by DkKoba 1670036172 (#2292)

i think cuth is trying to look at ways to expand the PoE btw - and is telegraphing how d3 is being pushed.

you take me out, its easier to control the narrative, etc.


I really ask to try to keep my top tier townreads off the table unless there is some smoking gun case on the slot.

Originally Posted by DkKoba 1670036257 (#2298)

Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 1670036186 (#2294)

Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal 1670036070 (#2288)

Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 1670036014 (#2285)

Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 1670035827 (#2279)

So like, what's the plan here Cuth? I don't get why you're looking at whatever posts your looking at with half an hour left in the day?

Like look at igno or TL?

I guess you did say you looked at them last time you popped in. Just feels like a weird time to want to be in catch up iso mode?

God me replying to a post not at me again.

Better now then never seeing how this day phase went tbh

Yeah but like they've got the whole night to catch up and then majority of a year to talk about those thoughts. What does getting them out now serve to the game as a whole or them making a vote choice?

igno town = cuth 100% scum here.

they could easily both be scum tbh but like ... now i have alarm bells like cuth is "make sure i cant be counterwagoned last second" vibes but im leaning more - its going to be igno + cuth scum world where cuth is setting up d3 to make sure the PoE is expanded to include people who are easier to yeet due to losing interest.

Originally Posted by DkKoba 1670036405 (#2305)

happy holidays and happy new years folks.

if we're lucky - I will be here next day and can reeval.

if i die, well, I have plenty of thoughts out there and having me confirmed town will be good.


i highly suggest doing a strong SoD conversation push -> doing one midyear, like idk, around champs or something when people are mostly paying attention to on site, and then again EOD. I feel that we kinda skipped the middle of the day here and it was detrimental to us. Make the most of your time if possible.

Day 4 should be a major review day too.

Good luck.

Given the way today has gone, arguably DkKoba's investment counts for a lot here, hence why I've pulled up their last reads and why I'll likely be referencing them some over the next while!!

On a personal level, I don't have that much time this EoD, so I won't be rereading the entire game or something like that; that being said... their bottom four seems like a fair place to start off!!!

Originally Posted by Michelle 1699255797 (#2401)

Thanks for the reminder Aquilla!!!

I'm here until Eod, for now back reading because I don't remember much of the game

@Michelle Anything interesting from your backread?

Okay, actually back this time!!!! I see the discussion has been very engaging since!!

I'll be spending the next hour or so reading back some stuff (probably mostly my own ISO), if anyone's around feel free to hang out and chat!!!

Originally Posted by Amrock 1700407549 (#392)

Are we allowed to make suggestions for next season?

You can if you like!!!!

I'd strongly recommend reposting them in the thread that'll be posted next year just before the hydra event starts though, since it's very easy for suggestions to get lost in a large thread like this!!

Since this was being discussed here - for people who were/are dissatisfied with D6 in the hydra event, how did that factor into your rating when you filled in your scheduling form, if you rated it highly?

For example, was it due to lack of prior info/experience on the setup, having it as a "compromise" setup, form structure, or something else?

The main reason D6 is still in the hydra event setup rotation (aside from other 13ers not really getting suggested) is because it keeps making it into the schedule, so really the question is why here/what needs to be changed to have a setup that people like more!!!

Originally Posted by Limestone 1698892467 (#312)

confirming for the townsided af game 1 lol

This post certainly aged well!!!!

HYDRA GAME 2: November 20th, Setup: Adapt6 (15er), 48 hour Days/24 hour Nights, 8 PM EST End of Day, Daily Post Cap of 150

#	Hydra	Player 1	Player 2
1	@Barbatos	@Spiderz	@LittEleven
2	@CatnodDotGif	@benneh	@dyachei
3	@eel sushi	@Delta	@neil the eel
4	@Fantasy Snooker	@Taffy	@April_LKD
5	@Ghozt Stab	@Arapocalypse	@Haze with a Z
6	@kobastettered	@DkKoba	@didistetter
7	@lilyshrunkle	@Twice Shrunk	@lilypetal
8	@Mancenstein.	@Xanjori	@Macdougall
9	@Plusle and Minun	@Prince J	@0Ix
10	@Sigma Klim	@SilverKeith	@Manny[/URL
11	@Two and a Half Gecs	@Schiavetto	@kheirous
12	@Vega and Juri	@BlueKang	@Chelsea
13	@Violet Evergarden	@Pawn Lelouch	@Linduana
14	@Wispbi	@Wisp	@Kuti plz
15	@Wolf in sheeps clothing	@Arctic	@Alyssa the Lamb

Time to check in and confirm you're good to play in hydra game 2!!!!! At least one person per hydra needs to check in, ideally both!!

Expecting rand will be around 9pm EST on Sunday November 19th, give or take depending on when LordQuas does it!! Also if any issues come up during the game, please make sure to dm @LordQuas and not me, since I will be playing!!!

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Okay to post:

• Ara told me in hydra chat that she has a townread on this hydra!!!

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• So here's what Ara said: [3:41 AM] Arapocalypse: Tell the thread I said this hydra is extremely hype!!!!

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Game 1 has been randed! Check it out here: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...he-Best-Flavor

If you have any questions, please dm @LordQuas!!!

Hydra Event 2023: Game 1, The Best Flavor

Hydra Game 1

Start Date: Monday 11/6 @ 10 PM EST
Phase Length: 48/24
Phase End: 10 AM/PM EST
Setup: D6
Hosted by: @LordQuas as both overseer and flavour writer - please contact him for any game-related questions/issues!

#	Hydra	Player 1	Player 2
1	@Aes Sedai	@dyachei	@Hallia
2	@bats	@insomnia	@Akasuki
3	@Confident Null Reads	@Alyssa the Lamb	@Dale
4	@DZ Dudes	@Happy	@matt
5	@Eel and Seal	@didistetter	@neil the eel
6	@Exceptional Elements	@SamP4Palmer	@0Ix
7	@Mineral	@Limestone	@Amrock
8	@Pandoras Porscha (TM)	@Porscha	@Pandoras Actor
9	@TheGingerTyranno	@TheGoldenTyranno	@Schweppes
10	@Thread Pull	@benneh	@Kuti plz
11	@Tsar Lanny the First	@Manny	@LanMisa
12	@WIMbot	@Macdougall	@Alison
13	@Winston My Beloved	@evakyoo	@arogame123

Setup: D6

D6 is a 13-player semi-open setup designed by Visorslash. It is a 13-player Semi-Open Variable setup designed to offer a more balanced experience compared to C9++.

Town Power Roles:

To determine the town power roles, roll a die six times and mark down the numbers. Each roll corresponds to a grouping below.

1-3: Investigative
4-5: Protective
6: Killing

Mark down the number of each grouping and add the corresponding roles from the table below.

	Investigative
1	Innocent Child
2	Voyeur
3	Motion Detector
4	Role Cop
5	Tracker
6	Parity Cop

	Protective
1	Bodyguard
2	Doctor
3	Roleblocker
4	Jailkeeper
5	Jailkeeper + Bodyguard
6	Roleblocker + Doctor

	Killing
1	1-Shot Vigilante
2	2-Shot Vigilante
3	Vigilante
4	Vigilante
5	Vigilante + 1-Shot Vigilante
6	Vigilante + 2-Shot Vigilante

Add as many Vanilla Town roles as necessary to bring the total number of Town roles to 10.

Mafia Power Roles:

Count the number of town power roles from above, then take that number minus one. Roll a die that many times and mark down the numbers. Add the corresponding roles from the table below.

	Mafia Roles
1	Mafia Roleblocker
2	Mafia Roleblocker
3	Mafia Jailkeeper
4	Mafia Role Cop
5	Mafia Tracker
6	Mafia Watcher

Add as many Mafia Goon roles as necessary to bring the total number of Mafia roles to 3.

Modbot will do this at random for you.

I was going to just skim and come back later, but there's really nothing much of substance between the last time I posted here and now!!!!

I did almost put a townread on Aquilla for pinging everyone before realizing he's the host, so there's that I guess!!

Shad can still (probably, didn't check my last reads) be town though, for the thread presence!!!!

Originally Posted by Shad 1699224106 (#2396)

I actually passively thought of this game yesterday because ara said something that made me think she might be a wolf in it but it was a really bad reason and I'm not going there but lol if it's true

OGI is a really bad reason to call someone mafia, yes!!!!

(Especially as whatever it is is incorrect, take that @Amrock!!!)

Huh, so maybe the thought that I was forgetting something throughout the past few months or so has actually has a source to it... my bad, thanks for the reminder Aquilla!!! Will see about getting back into this this week or so, especially given this is the last month of the day!!

Also I'm not going to feel bad for missing out on a few months when I'm still top-poster!!!!

Hydra game 1 randing at 9pm EST on Sunday, just under 32 hours from this post!!! Get hyped!!!!!

The rest of the games are planned to rand at 9pm EST the Sunday before the game starts as well; any changes will be announced!!!

Originally Posted by Jazzy Kate 1699090880 (#351)

Originally Posted by Void 1699090838 (#350)

If the slot for Game 4 is still available, I have a second head @Jazzy Kate who is willing to join me.

yeye ^

Sounds good, putting you two in for game 4!!!