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  1. Sticky: Nominating Arapocalypse for community mvp ...

    Nominating @Arapocalypse for community mvp

    Someone else do the write up
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    Completed Only thing I can think of is a pop-up but that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae (#7180)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantichora (#7178)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae (#7176)
    It was disappointing that the slip happened. They seemed to be quite good and their slip post was an interesting plan that I would have loved to see play out. I hope you don't feel too bad about it though. Most of us have either done that or almost done that. I do wish our forum had a better way to distinguish wolf chat from the main thread but I'm not really sure what it could be.
    PGT is white and green and has a watermark in the background that repeats "PRIVATE" everywhere. Unfortunately, the power of the sun and illegally browsing the internet while driving was too much.

    Do agree though, I think Roro was great and it was unfortunate to see things go that way.
    Oh I know. I just also know that when I'm jumping between threads, reading things, quoting things, and trying to discuss plans it's pretty easy to mix it up. I've almost posted in the main thread a couple times. I just have no idea what else can be done to differentiate it further.
    Only thing I can think of is a pop-up but that sounds cumbersome.
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    Completed PGT is white and green and has a watermark in the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae (#7176)
    It was disappointing that the slip happened. They seemed to be quite good and their slip post was an interesting plan that I would have loved to see play out. I hope you don't feel too bad about it though. Most of us have either done that or almost done that. I do wish our forum had a better way to distinguish wolf chat from the main thread but I'm not really sure what it could be.
    PGT is white and green and has a watermark in the background that repeats "PRIVATE" everywhere. Unfortunately, the power of the sun and illegally browsing the internet while driving was too much.

    Do agree though, I think Roro was great and it was unfortunate to see things go that way.
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    Completed sometimes it really do be like that

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#7148)
    I mean tbf

    I kind of lynched myself to protect the other villagers


    Never did i imagine AA (the only one who knows i am trustable!! -_-) would not sheep me

    sometimes it really do be like that
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    Poll: It's already in modbot right now already. The...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#14)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantichora (#12)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#11)
    I don't understand the question tbqh

    Can you give an example of a flip less modifier?
    It's a role modifier in modbot, like Macho or Ninja. It makes your role not flip on death.
    Individually hidden role flips seem like a strangely non-standard thing for us to be implementing

    I would say jaleb is right?
    It's already in modbot right now already. The current conversation is how to have the modifier appear.

    It's important to note that you can make any role flipless and you can edit PMs however you want before theyre sent out. What really matters is whether or not it appears in a Role Cop or Full Cop result.

    Which is why I think it's yes and yes.
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    Completed One confirmed villager w/ three unconfirmed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Allundberg (#7094)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantichora (#7082)
    I'm fairly confident you don't understand what im saying wrt the math lol

    Are you not understanding what I mean by confirming a villager, or are you not understanding the benefit in confirming a villager?
    I do not see any benefit == the maths is wrong
    One confirmed villager w/ three unconfirmed villagers. You have a 1/3 chance of correctly lynching a mafia, and a 2/3 chance of successfully finding a member of time. It is easier to find someone as town than it is to find mafia.

    For a mafia to be lynched in MyLo/LyLo, all villagers must vote together onto a mafia. This is why confirmed villagers must lead the charge. On their own, the reads of the confirmed villager are important, but they aren't absolute. They aren't common knowledge/confirmed.

    By putting their top villager into a hammerable situation onto someone in the PoE, that player is instantly confirmed as village. That makes this villager being confirmed town confirmed common knowledge, giving the confirmed town a 1/2 chance of lynching a wolf correctly.

    Looking back at the unconfirmed, they go from a 1/2 into a 1/1 situation. The unconfirmed players then have perfect information on the gamestate and can then direct their efforts accordingly, into a 1/1. This makes the game easier for them.


    Lets look at this game in particular: if Sothy confirms AA as town by voting Dendrick there, AA because confirmed village. This would become confirmed common knowledge. It would turn the game into skeith vs Dendrick, with 2 confirmed villagers. First: this would allow the village to sleep, as going from 2 confirmed v in f4-> 1 confirmed v in f3 isnt that big of a difference. It also makes it so the two players in the PoE have absoulte knowledge that the other player in the PoE is beyond a shadow of a doubt a wolf -- it takes one mislynch off the table and allows both players to focus their efforts in the correct direction.

    Now, here's where it breaks down: the Monty Hall portion of things. It's true that the reads of players in the game are not decided at rand, so MH doesn't work 1-1. It changes the raw probabilities, but you had reasons and those dont change so it comes down to do you just go off the math and have a precisely 66-33 choice, or do you attempt to further shift the odds in your favour by trying to make reads? You're correct that it breaks down at this stage, but everything prior has both mathematical and in-game implications, making the lines correct.
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    Completed I'm fairly confident you don't understand what im...

    I'm fairly confident you don't understand what im saying wrt the math lol

    Are you not understanding what I mean by confirming a villager, or are you not understanding the benefit in confirming a villager?
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    Completed Yeah, it was correct for you to just piledrive...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dendrek (#7061)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantichora (#7057)
    Youre twice as likely to confirm a villager as town as you are to successfully lynch a wolf, so it makes sense for a villager in f4 to find a second villager, confirm them as v, and force a sleep to make it a one between with 1 confirmed (or 1 between with 2 confirmed if you have more time left in the day).
    The Monte Hall is why I didn't want to no-lynch F4.
    Yeah, it was correct for you to just piledrive skeith into the ground there lol
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    Completed It's correct, but it assumes action taken at rand...

    Quote Originally Posted by Allundberg (#7059)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantichora (#7052)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#7047)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#7005)
    the fact that they lynched in F4 instead of F3?

    or the mental gymnastics for mislynches?
    no lynching in f4 with a peeked villager is just dumb
    I think an interesting line would have been having Sothy confirm their ride-or-die-never-rescinding AA as villager (or lose the game trying) and sleep from there making it an f3, or Monty Halling it.

    The odds of a hit going into EoD was 33% @ rand and that number could have been brought up to 66% by taking some alternative lines.
    that math seems very wrong
    It's correct, but it assumes action taken at rand which isnt actually the case in a game. The number will be higher or lower depending on whats actually happening.
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    Completed Youre twice as likely to confirm a villager as...

    Youre twice as likely to confirm a villager as town as you are to successfully lynch a wolf, so it makes sense for a villager in f4 to find a second villager, confirm them as v, and force a sleep to make it a one between with 1 confirmed (or 1 between with 2 confirmed if you have more time left in the day).
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    Completed I think an interesting line would have been...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#7047)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#7005)
    Quote Originally Posted by LordQuas (#6994)
    I'm still baffled by what has taken place today
    the fact that they lynched in F4 instead of F3?

    or the mental gymnastics for mislynches?
    no lynching in f4 with a peeked villager is just dumb
    I think an interesting line would have been having Sothy confirm their ride-or-die-never-rescinding AA as villager (or lose the game trying) and sleep from there making it an f3, or Monty Halling it.

    The odds of a hit going into EoD was 33% @ rand and that number could have been brought up to 66% by taking some alternative lines.
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    Completed The level of play in this game was simultaneously...

    The level of play in this game was simultaneously extremely high and very low

    Sometimes from the same players in the same phases.

    A bizarre game for sure. I think skieth played that f4 as best as he could have possibly been asked to, and tried to get town to make the mechanically correct play of confirming one of the VTs as v, even when it went against his own reads. That takes some serious balls to do, but it obviously didn't pan out.

    Totally understandable that taking the mathematical line isnt people's first response lol
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    Completed That one's going in my copypasta folder

    Quote Originally Posted by vanity. (#7024)
    Quote Originally Posted by roro__b (#1610)
    I think abovementioned might be a great way to discredit apoc.

    Definition: you can out yourself as n1 watcher by asking apoc something along the lines of "you're claiming to have been roleblocked butnkbody visited you this night. Explain". Coukd be a way to mark you as towny.

    Just a suggestion but feels pretty goodif we can turn it into a lynch
    the LEGENDARY 1610

    the fact that mafia won after this blunder was something to behold

    you still played EXTREMELY well roro. i said this in spec chat, but really, fantastic play roro.
    That one's going in my copypasta folder
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    Completed An ATROCITY even

    Quote Originally Posted by vanity. (#7011)
    also, i am SO sorry apoc. you played such a fantastic game and you getting lynched was an absolute travesty.
    An ATROCITY even
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    Completed roro was by far the most skilled player in...

    roro was by far the most skilled player in spectator chat
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    Completed :lmfao:

    Quote Originally Posted by LordQuas (#6985)
    @pizza

    you were rbed, you received no results, not saw dendrek visiting nobody
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    Completed https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/30675845699...

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    Completed 🌻 spam 🌻 this 🌻 flower 🌻 to 🌻 give 🌻 keith 🌻...

    🌻 spam 🌻 this 🌻 flower 🌻 to 🌻 give 🌻 keith 🌻 power 🌻
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    Poll: It's a role modifier in modbot, like Macho or...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#11)
    I don't understand the question tbqh

    Can you give an example of a flip less modifier?
    It's a role modifier in modbot, like Macho or Ninja. It makes your role not flip on death.
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    4 outs by my count. Will prob be a 13er in that...

    4 outs by my count. Will prob be a 13er in that case.
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    Poll: Cool

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    Poll: Modbot stops you from removing things with {}...

    Quote Originally Posted by Makaze (#7)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantichora (#5)
    Would it be possible to add a {HIDE_FROM_ROLE_PM] tag? Or is that just something that isn't possible. Or an advanced edit mode where you can modify the {} tags. Tangential question.
    Yes. I don't understand the second one.
    Modbot stops you from removing things with {} tags, and there isnt really a way to add those unless you already know that they exist, making advance modification pretty accessible.

    For example, sometimes I want to remove the {RANDED COLOR} tags from role cards in auto games. The hide from role PM tag existing would be a good enough alternative for me, personally.
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    1. Raiden Mei 2. The Lukundo 3. Michelle 4....



    1. @Raiden Mei
    2. @The Lukundo
    3. @Michelle
    4. @cinderella
    5. @Chemist1422
    6. @Angrypotato
    7. @Schmiznurf
    8. @LordQuas
    9. @Grant
    10. @Ryast
    11. @Misanthrope
    12. @Jalandh
    13. @peacefulgiant99
    14. @Stepifan
    15. @Vibrava
    16. @MF DOOM
    17. @Ruri

    Subs
    1. @WaywardSon (after he’s out of his champs game)
    2. @Boquise
    3. @Alciel Dole
    4. @Logic



    Versativa unfortunately has to be off the site for a while and will be unable to host this game. @Animal Midwife will be taking over. That being said, we're unfortunately unable to go forward with the original setup as we don't actually have it in a hostable state.

    The plan is for me to design a closed setup of a similar flavour and Midwife will host it. If you'd like to out, please let us know asap. I've pinged the players who are in to sub just to inform them of what's going on.

    Thanks for understanding and hope you all enjoy whatever it is we go forward with
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    Poll: Would it be possible to add a {HIDE_FROM_ROLE_PM]...

    Would it be possible to add a {HIDE_FROM_ROLE_PM] tag? Or is that just something that isn't possible. Or an advanced edit mode where you can modify the {} tags. Tangential question.
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    Poll: Show to role cop for sure, not sure about for...

    Show to role cop for sure, not sure about for Player yet.

    Would it be possible to edit the Role PM to omit all trace of the flipless via the role PM editor? If yes, I dont think it matters. I think most hosts would go with yes by default, tho.
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    Poll: Setup Idea Give it a spin in a cop 13er or something, could...

    Give it a spin in a cop 13er or something, could be an interesting dynamic.
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    Thread: The turbo friday night

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    Completed $#@! NOFAOJFDS[ K

    $#@! NOFAOJFDS[
    K
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    Thread: The turbo friday night

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    Completed :wowee::wowee:

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    Completed NO

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenrir Aesir (#1035)
    What if it's just manti
    NO
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    Completed please do not cfd the claimed poisoner if you...

    please do not cfd the claimed poisoner

    if you want to tinfoil him do it later

    we are NOT doing that right now
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    Completed Frog died for this

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#1027)
    how did we fall so far
    Frog died for this
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    Completed :wowee:

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    Completed i s2g if mikey gets lynched and we get ignited...

    i s2g if mikey gets lynched and we get ignited for the lose

    im going to turn MU off for the ngight
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    Completed Arso and SK can recieve mods (like macho, bpv,...

    Arso and SK can recieve mods (like macho, bpv, etc.) but they cannot recieve extra roles

    thats how modbot works
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    Completed Logic mechanically cannot be an arsonist because...

    Logic mechanically cannot be an arsonist because they poisoned
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    Completed perhaps we should lynch the person who sugested...

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#1002)
    6 people
    arson + 1? scum

    which means we can't no lynch and probably have to hit the arson today
    perhaps we should lynch the person who sugested we sleep?
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    Completed WTF

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    Completed GUYSS

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    Completed wtf whyyy

    Quote Originally Posted by vanity. (#997)
    Quote Originally Posted by [NSM] Mikey (#993)
    Vanity tinfoiling me is clearly malicious and not real paranoia
    They ain't saying anything outright they just drop the crumbs and try to get someone else to make the conclusion
    i clearly had scum on logic d1

    ##Vote [NSM] Mikey
    wtf whyyy
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    Completed if anyone is an arso i think its AM it isnt...

    if anyone is an arso i think its AM

    it isnt logic cause theyre poisoner

    it isnt JC cuase hes checked

    itd have to be exactly Vanity unless im forgetting someone else in this game exists and my nuts just say he isnt an arso

    idk why lol
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    Completed just wanted to confirm lol

    Quote Originally Posted by vanity. (#992)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantichora (#987)
    Vanity to confirm

    Are you a Jailkeeper or a Roleblocker
    jailkeeper like i've been saying to whole time. 2 shot jailkeeper.
    just wanted to confirm lol
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    Completed she claimed cop she also slipped in the claim...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenrir Aesir (#985)
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#973)
    Quote Originally Posted by vanity. (#964)
    Quote Originally Posted by [NSM] Mikey (#963)
    Why would logic real poison a wolf partner when he could fake poison them?
    logic had a TON of heat on him

    easy way to gain towncred
    the only reason i'm hesistant is because music seemed like she was actually trying to live in a way that didnt seem like 'plan went well logic's poison on team mate success!' type way

    so then it comes back to you and you're frequent jail/roleblock swithces
    music was trying to live?
    she claimed cop

    she also slipped in the claim lol
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    Completed Vanity to confirm Are you a Jailkeeper or a...

    Vanity to confirm

    Are you a Jailkeeper or a Roleblocker
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    Completed It'd explain why town has so much KP, and mafia...

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#981)
    am wanting to no lynch

    arsonist in game

    check mate
    It'd explain why town has so much KP, and mafia have had basically none
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    Completed Mikey

    Quote Originally Posted by Animal Midwife (#972)
    Okay, who subbed in for Logic? I want to look into this.
    Mikey
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    Completed amd a firefighter are we losing to an arso...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mantichora (#970)
    mafia had a full cop and a parity cop
    amd a firefighter

    are we losing to an arso here?
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    Completed mafia had a full cop and a parity cop :wowee:

    mafia had a full cop and a parity cop
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    Completed not as of yet

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#961)
    has any form of arson role flipped other than the firefighter
    not as of yet
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    Completed :wowee:

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    Completed AM is claiming Jaleb's role, the dead vigi ...

    Quote Originally Posted by vanity. (#945)
    i actually don't see how its am here still lol

    i jailed her
    AM is claiming Jaleb's role, the dead vigi

    shes probs jsut mafia vigi
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