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  1. Postgame#1903

    Thread: Mafia League Match Two Game Two

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    Completed Yooo anyway. Self reflected. I have been...

    Yooo anyway.

    Self reflected. I have been trying lately to not get MLd as town because it had started happening alot, and, so put whole amounts of effort in to reading things properly, seeing things from town points if view, try harding, and valdiating.

    I think that bit went well!!!


    I do think my read strength has collapsed. As a whole, assuming if you are right on your town clears you need to protect them not just have them, and push your correect wolf reads to be good.....
    Correct reads
    - i was bad d1.
    I should have explained porscha more and fought the ml on her. I dont know how i explain it though.
    I was exceptionally wrong on @TripleHaven d1 in to d2. It didnt help that id been snowed by her in a recent game and saw similarities BUT that is my biggest weakeness (see also-happy read.) So i need to not let that happen

    D2- yh bad on th for reasons. The info was there to clear Aro; TSP was cleared for bad reasons; and for fear reasons i wanted to kill happy.

    D3- my best day i think. Till 20m to go where it went wild id landed on the most likely team wbich was correct. I cleared Aro from doing all the stuff i set out to do, and found Boqs eod really good. I also think my post about why i thought pushes on him were wrong was really good.
    @Boquise sincere apologies for saying senior moment that was uncool.
    I hope its obvious i said it cuz i was trying to defend you and look at you in whole but there were better ways to say it.

    @TSP - your tone d2 was so good.
    @Spirit - ballsy play d1!!!! Coming in to eod with big read list was a cleever move
    (Props to @iaafr for catching it out though)

    You both also capitalised on eod madness in sych a clever way. Was super impressed and gutted!!



    Overall takeaways for me:
    - look at how people interact more. Thats how i cleared Aro and turned on Spirit
    - always check to see if peoples pushes are fair (and, what motivation they have if wrong)
    - stop fear reading happy
    - town not having reasons for reads d1 is not bad (thanks @TripleHaven!!!)
    - i am terrible at reading tone

    Anyone wants to catch up let me know!!!
  2. Postgame#1885

    Thread: Mafia League Match Two Game Two

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    Completed Omg what could have been

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1726)
    Quick quiz:
    - who will you vote today?
    - who will you not vote?

    I dont think i can vote aro
    I want to vote spirit or tsp

    Boq im tbd
    Omg what could have been
  3. Postgame#1876

    Thread: Mafia League Match Two Game Two

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    Completed I am glad to go to sleep here Legit i do mean...

    I am glad to go to sleep here

    Legit i do mean that i loved that f5 you were a fun bunch

    Fr @arogame123 and @Boquise i had some good clears on you!!!

    @tonystarkprime and @Spirit you guys did ace!!!

    @Happy - sorry for my push on you dumb af

    I will think of lessons overnight
  4. Postgame#1869

    Thread: Mafia League Match Two Game Two

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    Completed Sads. Me you n aro make sad crew

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#1864)
    so
    i voted scum
    for two days

    and then i derp

    let me cry myself to sleep tbh
    Sads. Me you n aro make sad crew
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    Completed Stop posting

    Stop posting
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    Completed Nai post- stop posting ant post is antleshootijg...

    Nai post- stop posting ant post is antleshootijg and against riles
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    Completed Lol stop posting

    Lol stop posting
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    Completed Tuck me he literally lied

    Tuck me he literally lied
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    Completed Here is the lor from aro I voted tsp

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1824)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1820)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#1478)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus
    ##Vote tonystarkprime
    It is now 6:00:03 AM EST on Friday, November 25th, 2022. There are 1669424460000 remaining.
    Oh look my vote for tsp
    Lol

    Aro

    Lol
    Here is the lor from aro

    I voted tsp
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    Completed tonystarkprime Boquise Vote aro

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    Completed Lol Aro Lol

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1820)
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    ##Vote tonystarkprime
    It is now 6:00:03 AM EST on Friday, November 25th, 2022. There are 1669424460000 remaining.
    Oh look my vote for tsp
    Lol

    Aro

    Lol
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    Completed Oh look my vote for tsp

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#1478)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus
    ##Vote tonystarkprime
    It is now 6:00:03 AM EST on Friday, November 25th, 2022. There are 1669424460000 remaining.
    Oh look my vote for tsp
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    Completed Nook plays wolf like he plaus town thogh

    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#1805)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#1798)
    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1786)
    I really hope now @Spirit understands that I am town if game continues.

    I really wanted to vote TSP but I just won't get enough of the votes and I can't risk mafia doing any late movement.
    If we're both alive I'll reconsider. Otherwise, completely erase your view and reread him and my points from the perspective that he's town.
    Like reread him as if he were Nanook. He's just that archetype.
    Nook plays wolf like he plaus town thogh
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    Completed Aro has basically given up on trying to be towny...

    Aro has basically given up on trying to be towny

    I think hes open wolfing to persuade one town vote wrong
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    Completed Because spirit miggt still be wrong You have...

    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1790)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1788)
    The last 5m aro has basically givrn up on solving and is persuading

    Hr has given up on the long held tr on me because i said i pushed tsp harder
    yawn, why didn't u keep ur vote on Spirit then?
    Because spirit miggt still be wrong

    You have basically become a robot / game thoery thing

    You have no doubt and reevalutaiton
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    Completed Aro what is your world view

    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1789)
    See, Dz is now changing the vote to me.

    Keep it on Spirit DZ. WHy would u change ur vote? U thought tsp was mafia and never really pushed there. All propaganda.

    And now u changed to me lol
    Aro what is your world view
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    Completed The last 5m aro has basically givrn up on solving...

    The last 5m aro has basically givrn up on solving and is persuading

    Hr has given up on the long held tr on me because i said i pushed tsp harder
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    Completed Whatd Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1778)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#1773)
    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1766)
    Like it's so frustrating because Spirit still thinks I am mafia and it's ludicrost. And I don't know why SPirit tr TSP so hard, like it's confusing.
    It seems so clear to me! I don't know how else to convey my arguments other than what I've put out.
    Spirit, you do realise it's lylo and tSp/DZ are voting you.

    I am willing to compromise with u...

    They are not!!!
    Whatd

    Compromise
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    Completed This is just logic defying I pushed tsp first...

    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1760)
    See, DoctorZeus is refusing to vote TSP lmfao...

    That's why I kinda think it might be DZ/TSP despite what I said earleir...

    Why else would TSP also fight over the fact for "DZ pushing tSP the most"

    Like please...
    This is just logic defying

    I pushed tsp first

    You then jumped on

    Then we get to eod

    And i have open mind

    And you act like that is outting
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    Completed I think this might be outti g for them Wtf ...

    Quote Originally Posted by tonystarkprime (#1763)
    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1760)
    See, DoctorZeus is refusing to vote TSP lmfao...

    That's why I kinda think it might be DZ/TSP despite what I said earleir...

    Why else would TSP also fight over the fact for "DZ pushing tSP the most"

    Like please...
    is it impossible to believe that dz was pushing tsp the most?
    I think this might be outti g for them

    Wtf

    They think we are a team
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    Completed Refusinf??? You arent my boss What is wrong...

    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1760)
    See, DoctorZeus is refusing to vote TSP lmfao...

    That's why I kinda think it might be DZ/TSP despite what I said earleir...

    Why else would TSP also fight over the fact for "DZ pushing tSP the most"

    Like please...
    Refusinf??? You arent my boss

    What is wrong wih you all
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    Completed I have no idea how any town xan legitimately...

    I have no idea how any town xan legitimately believe i am a wolf
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    Completed Lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#1744)
    ##Vote DoctorZeus
    Lol
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    Completed Yes i agree with this aro there is no dynamism...

    Quote Originally Posted by tonystarkprime (#1740)
    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1735)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1731)
    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1729)
    ??? why are you arguing that DZ pushed you harder than I did.

    I am the one voting you and made the case since SOD2 and also coming into today I pushed you the most.

    If DZ sr you the most, why isn't he putting his money where it's worth and voting u??

    I don't understand
    Becuase we are talking about previously not right now aro
    whatever, it doesn't matter much as the votes now are way more important.

    I am voting TSP for the reasons I have stated prior and the perspective that I've held. He just fits in all worlds from my pov.
    have you done any more worlds thinking since 19 hours ago
    Yes i agree with this aro there is no dynamism despite lots of threas movement
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    Completed After everything yu stay the same as earlier

    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1735)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1731)
    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1729)
    Quote Originally Posted by tonystarkprime (#1716)
    dz clearly pushed me harder because he gave at least 2 reasons why I might be scum (1 more than Aro)
    ??? why are you arguing that DZ pushed you harder than I did.

    I am the one voting you and made the case since SOD2 and also coming into today I pushed you the most.

    If DZ sr you the most, why isn't he putting his money where it's worth and voting u??

    I don't understand
    Becuase we are talking about previously not right now aro
    whatever, it doesn't matter much as the votes now are way more important.

    I am voting TSP for the reasons I have stated prior and the perspective that I've held. He just fits in all worlds from my pov.
    After everything yu stay the same as earlier
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    Completed Omg Smh tbh

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#1734)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1728)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1726)
    Quick quiz:
    - who will you vote today?
    - who will you not vote?

    I dont think i can vote aro
    I want to vote spirit or tsp

    Boq im tbd
    @here
    I am going to sit back and observe the moments between all of you rn tbh
    Omg Smh tbh
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    Completed Becuase we are talking about previously not right...

    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1729)
    Quote Originally Posted by tonystarkprime (#1716)
    dz clearly pushed me harder because he gave at least 2 reasons why I might be scum (1 more than Aro)
    ??? why are you arguing that DZ pushed you harder than I did.

    I am the one voting you and made the case since SOD2 and also coming into today I pushed you the most.

    If DZ sr you the most, why isn't he putting his money where it's worth and voting u??

    I don't understand
    Becuase we are talking about previously not right now aro
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    Completed @here

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1726)
    Quick quiz:
    - who will you vote today?
    - who will you not vote?

    I dont think i can vote aro
    I want to vote spirit or tsp

    Boq im tbd
    @here
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    Completed Quick quiz: - who will you vote today? - who...

    Quick quiz:
    - who will you vote today?
    - who will you not vote?

    I dont think i can vote aro
    I want to vote spirit or tsp

    Boq im tbd
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    Completed I cry I dont But yh lmao this is wild

    I cry

    I dont

    But yh lmao this is wild
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    Completed No you said boq was wolf but tsp always was...

    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1707)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1704)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#1701)
    here comes my problem then Aro
    Lets say I sheep you sheeping Happy's town read
    and I believe you that you are town.

    I am left with DZ/TSP.
    Is that the team?
    I pushed tsp hardest today wtf lmao
    wait what? when did you push tsp the hardest?? I literally did...
    No you said boq was wolf but tsp always was circumstantially

    I made the case first

    Then you hopped on

    I called you opportubistic for it

    It was a whole convo

    Also you are hee now

    Ive asked you alot

    Why have you locked spirit town?
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    Completed I pushed tsp hardest today wtf lmao

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#1701)
    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1697)
    Quote Originally Posted by Eren Yeager (#753)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#750)
    I just think this is made up haha. Which is hard because you're speaking so nicely and it makes me not want to scumread you, but dude in the syndicate game you didn't play like this. People were scum reading Wisp and you fought against it, and you held true to your Porsha read despite others not caring to go there. You were confident even near EoD, calm and collected, like a shepherd knowing that his children were wrong but that everything would be alright in the end. Comparing to that, I think your "anxioussness/giving into pressure" at EoD just isn't real, just kind of like an excuse to be on a wagon while disavowing agency.
    hmmm im willing to bank that this is t!spirit. if i ever die at any point sheep my read on this slot and if i ever start to push spirit because he has a habit of trying to kill me randomly in recent times, remind me to come back to this post lol
    here comes my problem then Aro
    Lets say I sheep you sheeping Happy's town read
    and I believe you that you are town.

    I am left with DZ/TSP.
    Is that the team?
    I pushed tsp hardest today wtf lmao
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    Completed Yh we have playstyle differences But i think...

    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#1695)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1689)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#1687)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1683)
    Y'all are towny af at this eod

    Other than spirit
    Why so? I've asked you several times for this.
    You seem super agendad

    Im so confused

    He others seem confused or invovled

    You seem to be in this watching mode and its freaking me out

    I laso explained my general issues wih you earlier
    Did you read my post on our playstyle differences? Every time I try to discuss this with you you don't respond.
    Yh we have playstyle differences

    But i think yours this game as set up wasnt followed through

    D1 you spetn all day asking questions then had big readlist

    D2 you were resolute till this last minute complete flip on th where you gsve up on your tr on her despite finding it convincing

    The realest stuff ive founf from you was when you were drunk

    I get its playstyle difference and i think your really enjoyable i just struggle to see your logic standing yp AND see agenda everywhere
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    Completed We have to vote as a block town. Is there any...

    We have to vote as a block town.

    Is there any consensus town?

    Tbh i think its me other than spirit
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    Completed You seem super agendad Im so confused He...

    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#1687)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1683)
    Y'all are towny af at this eod

    Other than spirit
    Why so? I've asked you several times for this.
    You seem super agendad

    Im so confused

    He others seem confused or invovled

    You seem to be in this watching mode and its freaking me out

    I laso explained my general issues wih you earlier
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    Completed Aro why is every post you right so sleazy lmao

    Aro why is every post you right so sleazy lmao
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    Completed Btw whatever happens and the like you are an...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#1667)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1664)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#1662)
    it is funny btw that aro/dz are a bit of a friend block right now whilst spirit/tsp has become a friend block
    with the votes and stuff


    and here i sit with my high-tech conclusions and wisdoms
    Tsp wants to yeet spirit
    oh
    what a unfriendly friend block
    Btw whatever happens and the like you are an absolute treat i hope your date went well
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    Completed Y'all are towny af at this eod Other than...

    Y'all are towny af at this eod

    Other than spirit
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    Completed Hes saying its obvious whats happening

    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123 (#1679)
    Quote Originally Posted by tonystarkprime (#1676)
    like why do you want to see the current state of reality we all know the current state of reality
    ? wdym by this.

    I am kinda confused now
    Hes saying its obvious whats happening
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    Completed Towny perspectives

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#1662)
    it is funny btw that aro/dz are a bit of a friend block right now whilst spirit/tsp has become a friend block
    with the votes and stuff


    and here i sit with my high-tech conclusions and wisdoms
    Towny perspectives
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    Completed Tsp wants to yeet spirit

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#1662)
    it is funny btw that aro/dz are a bit of a friend block right now whilst spirit/tsp has become a friend block
    with the votes and stuff


    and here i sit with my high-tech conclusions and wisdoms
    Tsp wants to yeet spirit
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    Completed Do we kingmaker here.??????

    Do we kingmaker here.??????
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    Completed No. I think town stick in a relatively evolving...

    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#1652)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#1647)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#1636)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#1523)
    Some more from the same game:

    I just don't want to lose this game given how far we've come and I'd be upset to lose based on what I have given and provided to the game. I'll be on tomorrow after work likely and town case myself as well as give my town reads.



    You may bring me down, try to haunt me, tear me apart, throw me around, but you will never break the spirit of a townie. I will keep fighting and keep standing up and only be stronger. I am town! I just got some intel as well from one of my friends and I will be on later to discuss and will go over my town case as well as my town reads and respond to some of these posts.

    No one is ending the day early until I get to talk and present my findings as well as my current state. Whoever ends the day early is outted.

    They acting tough when they up.
    The fun is just getting started hehe.


    No, the entire game except Porscha who has empathized with my slot and understand where I came from was scum reading me. So I wanted to reaction test and see how people would react. Specifically you and Rondo to get a better idea of who is the mafia between you two.

    Because I have a feeling Porscha will die tn and whoever is town between you two will insta turbo me.

    And the fact you guys want to speed up and run the day isn't resonating with me well.

    I kinda was thinking Rondo might have been likelier more mafia, but I was confused with ur reaction based on what happened.


    STOP, PLEASE DO NOT INSTA VOTE AND READ MY POST!

    Before I start, I would like this to go out for all my townies out there who are ever getting silenced, ever having a rough time, struggling in the game, or getting disrespected, this is for you all. I want this f3 to be a representation and a motivation for future townies that are in a similar position to me to keep fighting and to never give up. I want this post and others today to be motivation for you all when looking back at this. I don't know what will happen; there is a good chance I get ml today anyways and we lose the game. But you know what, I won't lose without a fight and THEY CAN NEVER KILL THE SPIRIT OF A TOWN. The mafia might have tried to rough me up in the and put me down, but I will give it my all here. I hope this game will reach out to all those future townies who are in a similar spot to me and to remember to never give up and keep fighting! I am town and I will keep fighting for as long as I have to and my spirit will live on forever.

    Now onto the next section,

    I realize this is the best chance for me to get my voice and thoughts out there, so please read through them. I am writing this at night time and at this point, I believe Porscha is going to die at night and it will be me, Lily, Rondo f3.

    I believe that Lily is in fact the mafia here and I have done some deep diving in her treatment of SPF as well as based off the reaction test EoD. The main things that point to Lily is her interactions with SPF that actually demonstrate TMI through language of "knowing that SPF is mafia," her progression from town reading to scum reading to town reading SPF again, and her poor reaction to my reaction test.

    Analyzing Lily's interactions with SPF:

    Throughout day 1, 2, and 3, Lily and SPF seem very buddy buddy and even with Alison for that matter. They believe each other is town and they have no wavering thoughts or opinions. Lily discusses how much she is glad that "SPF is town" and that she believed Alison was town as well. They vote and "sheep" with each other basically all 3 days.

    The only exception is when Lily jumped off Falcon, BUT did not go onto Alison because of what "SPF said" as an excuse to not vote on their partner but also stay of a "town wagon."

    We come into day 4, where seamlessly out of nowhere they start scum reading each other.

    https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/vi...958315#p958315. This was when Lily first declared a thunderdome on SPF when mentioning Mac but Mac never had a scum read on SPF and in fact had her as one of their top towns. So it seems like a very odd way to reverse a town read you had on someone for a non-existent reason.

    https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/vi...958392#p958392. Here Lily doesn't want to vote SPF after a conversation with her. But starts having some back and forths and questions whether or not SPF is actually mafia.

    https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/vi...958596#p958596 Goes back onto SPF here and claims they were a "difference check" when no one was putting that on them.

    In this post, https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/vi...958618#p958618, Lily discusses how she wants to look good for an SPF flip. She seems 100% confident and actually slips here when saying, " I want you to die because when you flip W I hopefully will be removed from the poe." This is clear bussing from Lily and SPF as they went from town reading each other, to both scum reading each other at the EXACT same time.

    Note, when Lily was hard on Creature, she never mentioned how she would look good after his flip, despite the confidence she had on Creature being scum. However, with SPF, Lily maintained this confidence and also believed she would look good after an SPF flip because she has TMI and knew that SPF would flip mafia. It is classic bussing 101 lmao.

    Then throughout the entirety of the day and the following day, Lily and SPF constantly attack each other to "make each other look good after their flip" without actually giving certain reasons. They attacked each other for being scummy without much any explanation. It is pure bussing.
    Now let's look at day 5. Lily begins to vote SPF and mention how she must die and all that. BUt then, as soon as Porscha mentionts that she has "SPF as lock-town," all of a sudden, Lily begins to waver her read a bit and then pivots to Seanzie/Rondo team and sides with SPF.

    She had "so much conviction" on SPF, only to end up siding with her because she believed Seanzie/Rondo to be more mafia and then even started urging others to vote Seanzie over her at the end of the day. The switch from scum reading SPF super hard to then voting with her and urging others to vote Seanzie and encouring a Seanzie/Rondo world demonstrates a lack and clear follow through of progression.

    And then a very interesting thing to note. Yesterday, she completely dismisses the fact she had Rondo as mafia and then pivots to me and SPF. She proceeds to call Rondo "oozing with towniness" for their posts. It's like Lily completely shifted her view to benefit herself and to seem like she was never with SPF.

    Lily has had a clear lack of progressions on certain slots and it has been illustrated.

    A huge example of this is on day 4 where Lily had sr on SPF/Wilgy/Boq, and always had Boq as mafia based on the perspective she stated. But she went onto SPF because she wanted to get the cred and as she stated "look good." Despite stating how she accepted that Boq is always mafia, she still went onto SPF. At the time, the Boq wagon was also the top wagon and Lily didn't want to expose herself and place herself on the Boq wagon at the time despite having him as her top scum. She had made it very clear that she wanted to get cred from bussing and pushing SPF, despite the perspective she had on Boq. Lily is self-concious about her vote and her positioning in the thread and wanted to make sure she looked good. Then she also started stating how Boq was obvious town when she didn't feel that way at all towards the beginning of the day. There is a clear lack of progression here.

    Also, Lily has done this throughout everyday where towards the end of the day, she mentions how the wagon she is on is town last second without any actual progression on it due to some "last second posts." They also state the next day how those proceeding wagons in Falcon, Creature, Boq, and Seanzie were "obvious town" yet that's not how they felt towards those slots in the previous day.

    Additionally, when I come out with the reaction test that Lily and I are mafia when SPF and Rondo crossed and Porscha already acknlowdged it, Lily comes out and votes SPF and states to me "Just get the win already if you are mafia and if SPF is town" but this is a clear perspective slip and a lack of awareness from Lily. From her POV, she knows she is town and should know that the game isn't over after the intial cross and Porscha's acknlowdgment. So why would she act so stressed when she should know it's never the case and how would she ever think that I would be mafia with Porscha giving as how the game never ended after initial cross. If I was mafia with Porscha, we vote on Rondo and the game is over, so that thought should never come to her mind. She also never once thought of me and Rondo before that and still insta voted despite "being afraid I could be mafia and if SPF is town." If that was the case, Lily would have held her vote and been paranoid of me/Rondo but she never did.

    She also said https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/vi...962487#p962487. This is a true perspective slip and mishap from Lily as she would always know that "FROM HER PERSPECTIVE" that SPF is always a hit. So why is she uncertain if SPF can be town at that moment? It is poor a reaction and a lack of awareness. She states she is always anxious but that clearly doesn't match with how she was feeling about SPF before throughout LyLo and day 4/5. It is a clear façade and a mask played out by Lily and a perspective slip.

    TL;DR: Lily went from town reading/buddy buddying with SPF on day 1 and day 2, and then proceeded to begin thunderdoming SPF without a clear progression and demosntrated TMI by stating "I want to look good when you flip mafia, as I hope it takes me out of POE" demonstrating a perspective slip and awareness of SPF's alignment that she wouldn't have as town. In addition to her progression on SPF from town reading to scum reading to buddying up and scum reading in LyLo, She has also had scummy/inconsistent progressions on certain slots with Seanzie, Rondo, and Boq. She scum read Seanzie/Rondo with SPF on day 5, but after Seanzie's flip, she just dismisses Rondo and then also proceeds to call Rondo "oozing town" without much progression shown on their slot. Lastly, she also reacted poorly to my reaction test and felt that SPF could be town which she would know from her POV is NEVER true.

    I recognize this is a tough battle regardless to win, but I have given it my all and will not give up. I would appreciate it Rondo if you would read this post without insta voting me and realize that Lily is mafia here from the reasonings/case I demonstrated above.

    To Falcon, Jack, Creature, Mac, Lucy, Boq, Wilgy, Sean, Nanook, and Porscha, this is for you and I promise I will not give up and we will win this game and your spirit will not be forgotten!!

    I may have been silenced but I will not kept down for long and will come back and will fight back stronger than ever. Let's end the tyranny and free ourselves from the mafia. I am town and let's win this game once and for all!!



    If mafia wants to vote me, by all means go for it and make it easier for me to figure out who it is. And then from there I can town case and vote mafia.

    But when I am voting first, I need to see if I can find the person I am leaning as town, and if I can't find them as town then I vote them. If I do find them town, then I vote the other person.

    And if the game doesn't end, then I case and go from there.

    It's pretty simple logic but it's like you are expecting me to case Porscha when from my POV I don't know if you are town and I am trying to find you if you are town, but you just keep dissing me and say I "ATE."


    The first three are from same phase, the second two are from the phase after (where aro was elimmed).
    Also @DoctorZeus did you read/evaluate these?
    These posts are alpt more emotive and impassioned than today. I feel the ones quoted are more like pleading and wolfy cuz of excessive emotion like on a platter

    But its aro

    And i dunno

    Id gamble wolf in that game but dunno

    What was he?
    Correct, so you think this is town!Aro if you were to contrast them? Also did you answer my post on why you think I'm wolf?
    No.
    I think town stick in a relatively evolving but similar range, whilst wolves are able to have broad range esp good ones

    I think in that game he overplayed being "team"

    Was he caught for it?

    If so i imagine gime adapting




    Re why you are wolf:
    - youve had micro towny moments
    - your play d1 was kinda whack
    - you fit well with tsp
    - ive never met someone town who plays like thisbut have played wolf in comparatively similar ways

    I dunno

    The main thing hding me back all day is happys tr on you and how cofnident he was. Hes very very good
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    Completed Regardless ive had a blast. I think rolling a...

    Regardless ive had a blast. I think rolling a dice id have more chance of making the right choice but you 4 are a treat tbh
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    Completed These posts are alpt more emotive and impassioned...

    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#1636)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#1523)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#1520)
    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123
    To be fair, it's 2:42 AM and I woke up from a nightmare, so given the situation outside I am a bit irritated as well lol. So it carried over a bit into the game, which is why I was gonna go back to bed since I am not being as productive here and will likely ramble on other reads I have established.

    If you think the team is me/SPF, I have already explained a bit why that is not the case, but can touch up on points that you feel didn't feel compelling. And then I will discuss my reasons for town reads and where I lay.

    If you expect me to scum hunt, I am sorry, that is not my play and it's not how I roll. I am a towncore hunter and I go from there. I have explained this several times already, so if you are upset that I am not scum hunting or casing others, it's not really my strong suit.
    @DoctorZeus being alignment blind, what are your thoughts on how this post from another game compares/contrasts to Aro's posts here?
    Some more from the same game:
    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123
    I just don't want to lose this game given how far we've come and I'd be upset to lose based on what I have given and provided to the game. I'll be on tomorrow after work likely and town case myself as well as give my town reads.
    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123
    You may bring me down, try to haunt me, tear me apart, throw me around, but you will never break the spirit of a townie. I will keep fighting and keep standing up and only be stronger. I am town! I just got some intel as well from one of my friends and I will be on later to discuss and will go over my town case as well as my town reads and respond to some of these posts.

    No one is ending the day early until I get to talk and present my findings as well as my current state. Whoever ends the day early is outted.

    They acting tough when they up.
    The fun is just getting started hehe.
    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilypetal
    are u just outing urself by trolling? im so confused? is this a bit?
    No, the entire game except Porscha who has empathized with my slot and understand where I came from was scum reading me. So I wanted to reaction test and see how people would react. Specifically you and Rondo to get a better idea of who is the mafia between you two.

    Because I have a feeling Porscha will die tn and whoever is town between you two will insta turbo me.

    And the fact you guys want to speed up and run the day isn't resonating with me well.

    I kinda was thinking Rondo might have been likelier more mafia, but I was confused with ur reaction based on what happened.
    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123
    STOP, PLEASE DO NOT INSTA VOTE AND READ MY POST!

    Before I start, I would like this to go out for all my townies out there who are ever getting silenced, ever having a rough time, struggling in the game, or getting disrespected, this is for you all. I want this f3 to be a representation and a motivation for future townies that are in a similar position to me to keep fighting and to never give up. I want this post and others today to be motivation for you all when looking back at this. I don't know what will happen; there is a good chance I get ml today anyways and we lose the game. But you know what, I won't lose without a fight and THEY CAN NEVER KILL THE SPIRIT OF A TOWN. The mafia might have tried to rough me up in the and put me down, but I will give it my all here. I hope this game will reach out to all those future townies who are in a similar spot to me and to remember to never give up and keep fighting! I am town and I will keep fighting for as long as I have to and my spirit will live on forever.

    Now onto the next section,

    I realize this is the best chance for me to get my voice and thoughts out there, so please read through them. I am writing this at night time and at this point, I believe Porscha is going to die at night and it will be me, Lily, Rondo f3.

    I believe that Lily is in fact the mafia here and I have done some deep diving in her treatment of SPF as well as based off the reaction test EoD. The main things that point to Lily is her interactions with SPF that actually demonstrate TMI through language of "knowing that SPF is mafia," her progression from town reading to scum reading to town reading SPF again, and her poor reaction to my reaction test.

    Analyzing Lily's interactions with SPF:

    Throughout day 1, 2, and 3, Lily and SPF seem very buddy buddy and even with Alison for that matter. They believe each other is town and they have no wavering thoughts or opinions. Lily discusses how much she is glad that "SPF is town" and that she believed Alison was town as well. They vote and "sheep" with each other basically all 3 days.

    The only exception is when Lily jumped off Falcon, BUT did not go onto Alison because of what "SPF said" as an excuse to not vote on their partner but also stay of a "town wagon."

    We come into day 4, where seamlessly out of nowhere they start scum reading each other.

    https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/vi...958315#p958315. This was when Lily first declared a thunderdome on SPF when mentioning Mac but Mac never had a scum read on SPF and in fact had her as one of their top towns. So it seems like a very odd way to reverse a town read you had on someone for a non-existent reason.

    https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/vi...958392#p958392. Here Lily doesn't want to vote SPF after a conversation with her. But starts having some back and forths and questions whether or not SPF is actually mafia.

    https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/vi...958596#p958596 Goes back onto SPF here and claims they were a "difference check" when no one was putting that on them.

    In this post, https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/vi...958618#p958618, Lily discusses how she wants to look good for an SPF flip. She seems 100% confident and actually slips here when saying, " I want you to die because when you flip W I hopefully will be removed from the poe." This is clear bussing from Lily and SPF as they went from town reading each other, to both scum reading each other at the EXACT same time.

    Note, when Lily was hard on Creature, she never mentioned how she would look good after his flip, despite the confidence she had on Creature being scum. However, with SPF, Lily maintained this confidence and also believed she would look good after an SPF flip because she has TMI and knew that SPF would flip mafia. It is classic bussing 101 lmao.

    Then throughout the entirety of the day and the following day, Lily and SPF constantly attack each other to "make each other look good after their flip" without actually giving certain reasons. They attacked each other for being scummy without much any explanation. It is pure bussing.
    Now let's look at day 5. Lily begins to vote SPF and mention how she must die and all that. BUt then, as soon as Porscha mentionts that she has "SPF as lock-town," all of a sudden, Lily begins to waver her read a bit and then pivots to Seanzie/Rondo team and sides with SPF.

    She had "so much conviction" on SPF, only to end up siding with her because she believed Seanzie/Rondo to be more mafia and then even started urging others to vote Seanzie over her at the end of the day. The switch from scum reading SPF super hard to then voting with her and urging others to vote Seanzie and encouring a Seanzie/Rondo world demonstrates a lack and clear follow through of progression.

    And then a very interesting thing to note. Yesterday, she completely dismisses the fact she had Rondo as mafia and then pivots to me and SPF. She proceeds to call Rondo "oozing with towniness" for their posts. It's like Lily completely shifted her view to benefit herself and to seem like she was never with SPF.

    Lily has had a clear lack of progressions on certain slots and it has been illustrated.

    A huge example of this is on day 4 where Lily had sr on SPF/Wilgy/Boq, and always had Boq as mafia based on the perspective she stated. But she went onto SPF because she wanted to get the cred and as she stated "look good." Despite stating how she accepted that Boq is always mafia, she still went onto SPF. At the time, the Boq wagon was also the top wagon and Lily didn't want to expose herself and place herself on the Boq wagon at the time despite having him as her top scum. She had made it very clear that she wanted to get cred from bussing and pushing SPF, despite the perspective she had on Boq. Lily is self-concious about her vote and her positioning in the thread and wanted to make sure she looked good. Then she also started stating how Boq was obvious town when she didn't feel that way at all towards the beginning of the day. There is a clear lack of progression here.

    Also, Lily has done this throughout everyday where towards the end of the day, she mentions how the wagon she is on is town last second without any actual progression on it due to some "last second posts." They also state the next day how those proceeding wagons in Falcon, Creature, Boq, and Seanzie were "obvious town" yet that's not how they felt towards those slots in the previous day.

    Additionally, when I come out with the reaction test that Lily and I are mafia when SPF and Rondo crossed and Porscha already acknlowdged it, Lily comes out and votes SPF and states to me "Just get the win already if you are mafia and if SPF is town" but this is a clear perspective slip and a lack of awareness from Lily. From her POV, she knows she is town and should know that the game isn't over after the intial cross and Porscha's acknlowdgment. So why would she act so stressed when she should know it's never the case and how would she ever think that I would be mafia with Porscha giving as how the game never ended after initial cross. If I was mafia with Porscha, we vote on Rondo and the game is over, so that thought should never come to her mind. She also never once thought of me and Rondo before that and still insta voted despite "being afraid I could be mafia and if SPF is town." If that was the case, Lily would have held her vote and been paranoid of me/Rondo but she never did.

    She also said https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/vi...962487#p962487. This is a true perspective slip and mishap from Lily as she would always know that "FROM HER PERSPECTIVE" that SPF is always a hit. So why is she uncertain if SPF can be town at that moment? It is poor a reaction and a lack of awareness. She states she is always anxious but that clearly doesn't match with how she was feeling about SPF before throughout LyLo and day 4/5. It is a clear façade and a mask played out by Lily and a perspective slip.

    TL;DR: Lily went from town reading/buddy buddying with SPF on day 1 and day 2, and then proceeded to begin thunderdoming SPF without a clear progression and demosntrated TMI by stating "I want to look good when you flip mafia, as I hope it takes me out of POE" demonstrating a perspective slip and awareness of SPF's alignment that she wouldn't have as town. In addition to her progression on SPF from town reading to scum reading to buddying up and scum reading in LyLo, She has also had scummy/inconsistent progressions on certain slots with Seanzie, Rondo, and Boq. She scum read Seanzie/Rondo with SPF on day 5, but after Seanzie's flip, she just dismisses Rondo and then also proceeds to call Rondo "oozing town" without much progression shown on their slot. Lastly, she also reacted poorly to my reaction test and felt that SPF could be town which she would know from her POV is NEVER true.

    I recognize this is a tough battle regardless to win, but I have given it my all and will not give up. I would appreciate it Rondo if you would read this post without insta voting me and realize that Lily is mafia here from the reasonings/case I demonstrated above.

    To Falcon, Jack, Creature, Mac, Lucy, Boq, Wilgy, Sean, Nanook, and Porscha, this is for you and I promise I will not give up and we will win this game and your spirit will not be forgotten!!

    I may have been silenced but I will not kept down for long and will come back and will fight back stronger than ever. Let's end the tyranny and free ourselves from the mafia. I am town and let's win this game once and for all!!
    Quote Originally Posted by arogame123
    If mafia wants to vote me, by all means go for it and make it easier for me to figure out who it is. And then from there I can town case and vote mafia.

    But when I am voting first, I need to see if I can find the person I am leaning as town, and if I can't find them as town then I vote them. If I do find them town, then I vote the other person.

    And if the game doesn't end, then I case and go from there.

    It's pretty simple logic but it's like you are expecting me to case Porscha when from my POV I don't know if you are town and I am trying to find you if you are town, but you just keep dissing me and say I "ATE."


    The first three are from same phase, the second two are from the phase after (where aro was elimmed).
    Also @DoctorZeus did you read/evaluate these?
    These posts are alpt more emotive and impassioned than today. I feel the ones quoted are more like pleading and wolfy cuz of excessive emotion like on a platter

    But its aro

    And i dunno

    Id gamble wolf in that game but dunno

    What was he?
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    Im home fr9m party so wilbbr in n out a bit

    I think its kingmaker time?

    We need two wagons and only two wagons at eod
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    Completed Ive tried lmqo!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by tonystarkprime (#1623)
    ALSO PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN HOW TO COOPERATE cmon guys
    Ive tried lmqo!!!
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    Completed Omg hes here The whole gang

    Quote Originally Posted by tonystarkprime (#1622)
    is the post cap gone yet?
    to answer DZ from last night i don't know why you don't understand it and I'm sorry I was letting you do your thing

    also I have half a wall in my drafts
    Omg hes here

    The whole gang
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    Completed Tbh is tsp is town we might have lost because who...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#1609)
    if it is me/spirit, i will just allow myself to get persuaded by you (dz) and aro to vote tsp, especially since aro gave me an olive branch tbh
    Tbh is tsp is town we might have lost because who knows if he turns up

    Why arent aro/tsp paired boq? Whay if they went f5 hell bus route ftw?
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    Completed Tsp isnt voting

    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit (#1604)
    I'm trying to read haha. Also I'm having a bit of trouble understanding what you're saying. Aro and Tsp are voting each other.
    Tsp isnt voting
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