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  1. Day 2#2166

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread the game gets harder if igno flips town because...

    the game gets harder if igno flips town because its effectively a wasted mislim - so perhaps those pushing to kill igno what is the team you have based off igno flipping red? who is scum independently from igno?

    when it comes to activity policies like this that can be plausibly townie that hasn't even logged on since - it'd be good to follow caution and not just blindly go ahead. (also makes it harder to hide as scum )



    that being said i think im comfortable lack towning ara atp because I feel I can follow her thought process in a way that is genuine + towny

    i still disagree with some conclusions - but yea
  2. Day 2#2150

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread so wednesday was a lie

    so wednesday was a lie
  3. Day 2#2141

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread stubborn, but towny, esp w/ igno red(likely)

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#2121)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#2120)
    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#1972)
    ##Vote ignoramus

    Bye 0 poster
    @Visorslash This still where you're at? Have you read any of TL's more recent posts/got an updated read there?

    Also come hype!!!!!
    The zero posters will die until morale improves
    stubborn, but towny, esp w/ igno red(likely)
  4. Day 2#2140

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread ok I will be back wednesday my parents are on...

    ok I will be back wednesday

    my parents are on vacation this week and I won't be busy thanksgiving, I may be busy friday or saturday with a friend and thats about it~
  5. Day 2#2139

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread I feel the same way~!

    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Gnome (#2127)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#2126)
    Also, TL getting suspected isn't unknown/getting heavy pressure, either; really just... a lot of stuff!!!!

    Not discounting the fact that ignoramus exists in this game, proposedly!!

    I would be interested in talking more about TL. Have some suspicions but can't really verbalize them
    . My pressure vote on igno is obviously a failure, seeing that igno is nowhere to be found.

    For me, top town are you, dkkoba. Westmaster maybe? And possibly visorslash.
    I lean town with Michelle, as well.
    I feel the same way~!
  6. Day 2#2138

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread its a big post, but when I read it, a lot of it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#2108)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#2093)
    i really wanna get back into this game but like the people ihave takes on i have solidified to the point of not changing those takes unless the quiet people change my worldview and i dont wanna go into a circle. my goal here is to make sure TL goes over (or at least Igno) and nothing else

    can some people who have been absent all year like show up and give at least a reads list aha..
    @DkKoba Hey, you've talked a whole ton about TL today!!!! That being said... it would really help a lot if you were able to consolidate your read on TL in one post!!! I understand that you've posted about the read in multiple posts, but a case all in one place is a lot easier for mafia players who may not read the entire day to parse/understand/interact with/vote with!!!

    On a personal level, I'd be extremely interested in your thoughts on their posting starting around P#1851 or so!! Also, you played that game in P#1859 with them, is there any chance you can pull out particular posts there that helped you in your read? Understandably your playstyle may not be to do that much, but... this is a very long game with lots of time, and you seem bored; why not if it'll help?

    Also a few other notes: even though I spend a lot of time on MU, if I'm not posting in this thread then I'm not reading it; for one wouldn't be able to stop myself from posting, and for another, literally don't have the time!!

    I also don't think TL ignoring your push is mafia-indicative, when it's not really interactable from their end, especially from their "I'm town" perspective they'd be holding regardless of alignment!!!

    I've decided I'm going to just treat you as town for this EoD so we can hopefully really work together and not get into meta-dive until tomorrow; with luck we won't need it, one way or another!!!
    its a big post, but when I read it, a lot of it was not really adding anything or reminiscent of the TL i saw in Witch Hunt that I felt was an asset to town in the sense that the wall post here feels like it doesn't say much. I have trouble explaining it. I also think the push on Amph is somewhat outting? like I think amph leans town and the want to push amp over feels agenda-y.
    Like I know - I am running a lot on *vibes*, but I am also feeling particularly strong about this one, and once we have 1 red confirmed it feels easier.

    And wrt ignoring me - when we played earlier in this year, I recall TL actually interacting with my slot and actually making an effort to sort it then, and I was mafia then. So either TL is reading me town here - and is ignoring me in lieu of pursuing other avenues without being distracted (unlikely, IMO as I think she would actually

    As for sorting me, I'm the juciest kill after GH solely for the fact that I become stronger the more slots are flipped and so long as I have thread control(which I generally have atm), so don't expect me next year! (hopefully)

    and wrt bored, I am currently trying to overall quit playing mafia, as the game feels like a job with the accompanying stress.
  7. Day 2#2137

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread im lazy so ill respond to the last one and say i...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#2107)
    Okay, I'm not spammng so overall post up to the page before this:


    • TL is, hmm... torn on currently, will see how this goes!!!!
    • Wesmaster towny as expected, not concerned!! None of P#1777 is stcking in my brain though, revisit later maybe?
    • DkKoba's P#1786 a thing
    • I'm skipping commenting on a bunch of the brief check-in posts people have, no thoughts head empty!
    • Sheep still town, yes!!
    • Not commenting on my previous catchup because I fully concur, pretty much all the way; perhaps have more sus on TL currently!!!
    • P#1851 seems... rather towny though, from TL? On reread still yes; not really going depth here, but... yeah!!!!
    • P#1859 DkKoba please really hoping they expanded on that!!!!!! In particular P#1851?
    • P#1865 Obviously yes Wesmaster; if it was anyone besides NL no, but wouldn't put it past him for memes!!
    • P#1889 @GeneralHankerchief please tell me you saw this!!!!!! Though also on further thought... DkKoba you've been rather engaged with meta-reading people so why didn't you end up looking at his, at any point?


    Mostly stopped post-by-post commentary because was distracting me from the read, but really want to pull out this:

    P#2085 was really the main sort of thing I wanted to hear from, hoping Shad doesn't die anytime soon!!!!

    Will address a few points/specific posts next, I think; do want to squeeze in a self-ISO there sometime too, though that might not be as useful today!!
    im lazy so ill respond to the last one and say i townbinned the slot, i tend to only metadive when I feel unsure and need reassurance. nothing is a good substitute for first hand experience.
  8. Day 2#2102

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread If you want to ignore me i can shift to less...

    If you want to ignore me i can shift to less civil methods... (within the rules)
  9. Day 2#2101

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread You add nothing by saying this. Scared to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Trustworthy Liberal (#2099)
    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#2090)
    Amy literally not giving a $%#! about this game and I don't know what to make of that

    Like a lot of the ghosters haven't been around on the site in general much and it's understandable to forget it exists/forget pings before you get around to them

    Amy's the head admin lol she totally has to see this pop up on a semi-regular basis
    Regardless of alignment I think they feel no need to play either is a big thing.

    Like you have me pushing them and being top wagon at the same time.

    That's atlease my guess
    You add nothing by saying this.
    Scared to interact with me (: ?
  10. #449

    Thread: Hydra Event 2022!

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    Sticky: game 5 says 48/24...

    Quote Originally Posted by bladescape (#445)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#443)
    Quote Originally Posted by bladescape (#440)
    @Arapocalypse

    If you need another for a 48/24 game (Unfortunately no G5 =P) then I have another player I'd duo with. Rondo from TheSyndicate, account name to be decided if you need us.
    someone is afraid
    Yup.

    12/12 terrifies me.
    game 5 says 48/24...
  11. #443

    Thread: Hydra Event 2022!

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    Sticky: someone is afraid ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by bladescape (#440)
    @Arapocalypse

    If you need another for a 48/24 game (Unfortunately no G5 =P) then I have another player I'd duo with. Rondo from TheSyndicate, account name to be decided if you need us.
    someone is afraid
  12. Postgame#3843

    Thread: Hydra Event 2022: Game 1, Shrek

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    Completed dw someone will complain and theyll lower it to 75

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa (#3841)
    Petition to make post cap 200 for hydra

    150 for 2 people is hard af
    dw someone will complain and theyll lower it to 75
  13. Day 2#2098

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread 2 weeks... we're at mafiascum large game...

    2 weeks...
    we're at mafiascum large game deadline... let's start playing
  14. Postgame#11439

    Thread: game with longer deadlines #2

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    Completed https://i.imgur.com/x5hc5VG.png moth Phraze The...


    @moth @Phraze @The Penguin @JoeSapphire

    your loss has been updated accordingly and won't count against you in your stats as a No Contest
  15. Postgame#11438

    Thread: game with longer deadlines #2

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    Completed i think i properly changed the loss for mafia to...

    i think i properly changed the loss for mafia to no contest, gonna check now
  16. Day 2#2097

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread :shifty:

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#2096)
    ...knock knock
  17. #383

    Thread: Hydra Event 2022!

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    Sticky: confirm game 5, even tho its a bit early.

    confirm game 5, even tho its a bit early.
  18. Postgame#11426

    Thread: game with longer deadlines #2

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    Completed because i didnt see that those were the actions +...

    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#11415)
    @DkKoba why didnt you guys end the game after n4 if the last wolf was supposed to be redchecked?
    because i didnt see that those were the actions + modbot is expected to work properly in automated games
  19. Postgame#11392

    Thread: game with longer deadlines #2

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    Completed at least in the world where moth doesnt get...

    at least in the world where moth doesnt get caught by watcher, we can say he probably does win a what if actually answered
  20. Postgame#11386

    Thread: game with longer deadlines #2

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    Completed Thank you all for playing and sorry for the...

    Thank you all for playing and sorry for the anticlimactic end, moth played awesome after what was supposed to be their loss, and town was great too.
  21. Postgame#11383

    Thread: game with longer deadlines #2

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    Completed Note: modbot had a glitch where the watcher did...

    Note: modbot had a glitch where the watcher did not receive a result on moth visiting lily when both visited them that night when moth was using a facitonal nightkill. that is why town was just awarded a win as that would have led to a near guaranteed town win at that point. Mafia will receive no contest.
  22. Day 2#2095

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread maybe if we just socialize ppl will come talk :)...

    maybe if we just socialize ppl will come talk making jokes and stuff is my fave part of the game
  23. Day 2#2094

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread I'm responsible for 3 of these squares! ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#2088)
    Quote Originally Posted by lendunistus (#2075)


    did I miss anything
    I just actually looked at this for the first time and it is beautiful.
    I'm responsible for 3 of these squares!

    actually not sure if the cyclone cheating scandal was first or second cheating ban that happened during this game, but at least 2 squares are me xD
  24. Day 2#2093

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread i really wanna get back into this game but like...

    i really wanna get back into this game but like the people ihave takes on i have solidified to the point of not changing those takes unless the quiet people change my worldview and i dont wanna go into a circle. my goal here is to make sure TL goes over (or at least Igno) and nothing else

    can some people who have been absent all year like show up and give at least a reads list aha..
  25. Day 2#2092

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread maybe day 3 when mafia kill me to stifle all...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#2089)
    Wow have we really not gone a month without posts yet
    maybe day 3 when mafia kill me to stifle all activity LMAO
  26. #324

    Thread: Hydra Event 2022!

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    Sticky: If anyone doesnt want game 2, Oromis is willing...

    If anyone doesnt want game 2, Oromis is willing to sub
  27. #323

    Thread: Hydra Event 2022!

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    Sticky: Damn wish i was in gsme 2

    Damn wish i was in gsme 2
  28. Day 2#2066

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread TL trying to ignore the push on them hoping that...

    TL trying to ignore the push on them hoping that not acknowledging it will make it go away.

    that works normally, but it wont work here
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    Sticky: your profile says otherwise? but .. ok just...

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#276)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#267)
    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#259)
    few things:

    as i've mentioned earlier, i heavily disagree with uncapped games, or raising the post cap, i can see shrinking to 125 or 100 but overall i think it's reasonably fine - i think regardless of the post cap there is generally going to be high levels of investment because its a competition and people care about the outcomes and the stakes - and i'm not sure there is an easy solution to this at all, besides being willing to adjust your playstyle to accomodate these kind of games - perhaps it should be made even CLEARER in advertising champs, what the pacing and post coutns are likely to be (im sure they already are, but stress it even more).

    neighbourhoods and diaries are both very bad. people already have to spend a ludicrous amount of time on these games, forcing them to spend even more (especially if they are a wolf to keep up appearances) is just silly, when people have already said its too much (and people are already spending stupid amount of times on the game). diaries are bad from the perspective of - people will possibly try to use them to bolster their case to be advanced - creates a divide between those who do use and those who do not use them, if they exist should definitely not be able to be public or anything like that. (also you can just take notes yourself, there doesnt need to be any particular function done by mu to facilitate that). impo, when assessing a player, i dont give a $%#! what they posted privately, i only care about what they did in thread, thats what matters (yes, you can see the wolf plans in thread, particularly once you have access to the whole picture, and if there is stuff you are curious about you can certainly check the wolfchat or whatever, but by and large i think people should judged by in thread activities). if people want to liveblog their thoughts or track notes in their own spaces, that's fine, but there shouldnt be any sort of diary system baked into champs impo.

    i don't particularly care for the mod on duty stuff, but some people seem to like it. i doubt it has any major effect, but perhaps a few people might want to use it and if its not a huge time investment for them, implementing it shouldn't be too hard. people normally have those they vent to anyway.

    player voting.... theres not a huge amount you can do there. i generally think player voting should still be the mechanism for WC and finale because it gives agency to the players in the game, and not a 'faceless group' which the jury consists of (and they are no doubt burnt out at that point). there will be a lot more controversy if juries decide compare to groups of peers.

    sending 2 people per site: heavily disagree - makes things even more cliquey, introduces more 'meta' components into champs which sucks, also going to raise more questions rightly or wrongly about vote gaming. i would rather less champs games be played than having 2 people from the same site.

    re spec chat: i agree that it is generally impossible to remove spec chat and its an important experience for a lot of people. i think mods just have to be willing to employ higher standards of moderation - and should likely be trying to round up candidates for next year to be discord mods even if just for champs, to help keep spec chat in line. if someone is a consistently antagonistic presence that is always causing issues, just kick em out for a month, they'll learn how to play nice (to be clear - there being an argument or a heated discussion shouldn't just be a straight kick but if someone is constantly causing fights (and theres plenty of data on the problematic posters of this year at least), yall should already know who to keep an eye out for and who to kick if they start $%#!ing things up again. make it very clear that criticism is fine, but being an $%#! is not, if you can't show tact or class, you will be evicted without trial gg no re.

    don't think votes should be publicised - people should not feel pressuresd to voting in a socially acceptable way, they should vote what they believe.

    re post mins and subs: i hate subs, ban them. post min should be at least 15 game related posts progressing the game forward in some capacity. modkill otherwise. they'll learn. (i doubt either of these will be implemented but noting my thoughts here anyway). just sub out after one incident imo, make the rules very very clear to each individual when signing up that there is no wiggle room, you have to make 15 game related posts each day or you die.

    re setup size: i personally like the idea of going back to 17ers - opens up a lot more room for setup design, it can be hard to design enjoyable, different games in 13ers.

    standarise 48/24 wipes out a chunk of players who simply don't play those phases, i don't find the idea inherently disagreeable from an ease of scheduling standpoint, but just think it will cut out too many players possibly because of it.

    players only dvc: i could be down for this, i could see players going into their own dvc for the game and then released into spec chat after the game is over. could be worth a trial.

    i'm okay with reduction of betting and bans of bets after n1 for each game.

    i think really, champ organisers need more people managing that side of things, and should be willing to get a bunch of people they can reasonably trust to not be turds to discord mod it up for champs to help manage the toxicity of spec chat. make it a temporary position or something, just so there can be enough eyes with power to be able to address issues. not sure how itd play out, but hopefully a more aggressive approach to spec chat will help tone down the atmosphere and posting to be less toxic.
    How can you call hoods very bad when a brief search into your game histoey reveals youve never randed a neighbor role?

    I think nighttime hoods are bad - but it absolutely is not extra work to manage a hood and thread. I invite you to play my next run of my favorite neighbor setup though, if you want to actually experience the role.


    i've got plenty of experience with neighbourhoods palio (including my most recent game on mu!)

    it absolutely is extra work and i don't understand how you think otherwise lol
    your profile says otherwise? but .. ok

    just say you hate socializing in games and move on
  30. Day 2#2055

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

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    Game Thread oh ya i skimmed ampharos ISO last night and I...

    oh ya i skimmed ampharos ISO last night and I thought it was actually fairly towny so its really curious where TL got the scumlean from, because thats not a conclusion i see unless its via PoE... which is somewhat how I have reached my own conclusions by townbinning others. for TL to have reached this conclusion, not really cite anything, and ignore the people pushing him and also the ignoramus push, is just reeking of scum struggling to interact with active pushes because they might spew something they don't want to. Hell, I could be wrong. I have been confidently wrong on things. But past me saw evidence that was actually decent that TL was scum from meta - and my own experience against town TL (I just remembered as I was typing this actually, that my original reason for pushing TL was because witch hunt ended lol) - was that he was able to be much more thoughtful and holistic in his analysis. as scum I actually felt he was a threat - here, if i was mafia, I would just write him off and be like "lol free mislim" if we were to assume I was scum and he was town. which does not match up to how I have seen TL be in the past. It could be the format, but TL's resurgence into activity here gives me little confidence in that.

    also i've officially outstripped Frog's postcount since i was banned during the active part of last year take that (:<
  31. Day 2#2054

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    Game Thread ok i was going to do it now but i decided i...

    ok i was going to do it now but i decided i wanted to build pokemon teams instead to get pranked.
  32. Day 2#2053

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    Game Thread u know ive let it go on long enough bc it was...

    u know ive let it go on long enough bc it was funny but the fact that TL absolutely is trying to dodge the suspicions on him and avoid giving an opinion to me or relating to me is just frankly very funny and even more incriminating. im going to review his meta, i do remember doing so earlier this year and thats why i feel the confidence he is scum, but i need to cross reference with current activity.

    he has avoided giving takes on some clear slots and can't really articulate properly why ampharos is scum - sure ampharos hasn't posted much this phase but theyre clearly not into the game of mafia anymore as referenced by their vote and dipping saying theyre retired.


    it would be nice if some people came back and posted some game advancing content though
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    Sticky: *alexa, koba, super, and other hyperposters have...

    Quote Originally Posted by Newcomb (#271)
    I think we should up the postcap to 1,000 per day, but make it shared amongst the entire playerlist.
    *alexa, koba, super, and other hyperposters have entered the chat*
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    Sticky: How can you call hoods very bad when a brief...

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#259)
    few things:

    as i've mentioned earlier, i heavily disagree with uncapped games, or raising the post cap, i can see shrinking to 125 or 100 but overall i think it's reasonably fine - i think regardless of the post cap there is generally going to be high levels of investment because its a competition and people care about the outcomes and the stakes - and i'm not sure there is an easy solution to this at all, besides being willing to adjust your playstyle to accomodate these kind of games - perhaps it should be made even CLEARER in advertising champs, what the pacing and post coutns are likely to be (im sure they already are, but stress it even more).

    neighbourhoods and diaries are both very bad. people already have to spend a ludicrous amount of time on these games, forcing them to spend even more (especially if they are a wolf to keep up appearances) is just silly, when people have already said its too much (and people are already spending stupid amount of times on the game). diaries are bad from the perspective of - people will possibly try to use them to bolster their case to be advanced - creates a divide between those who do use and those who do not use them, if they exist should definitely not be able to be public or anything like that. (also you can just take notes yourself, there doesnt need to be any particular function done by mu to facilitate that). impo, when assessing a player, i dont give a $%#! what they posted privately, i only care about what they did in thread, thats what matters (yes, you can see the wolf plans in thread, particularly once you have access to the whole picture, and if there is stuff you are curious about you can certainly check the wolfchat or whatever, but by and large i think people should judged by in thread activities). if people want to liveblog their thoughts or track notes in their own spaces, that's fine, but there shouldnt be any sort of diary system baked into champs impo.

    i don't particularly care for the mod on duty stuff, but some people seem to like it. i doubt it has any major effect, but perhaps a few people might want to use it and if its not a huge time investment for them, implementing it shouldn't be too hard. people normally have those they vent to anyway.

    player voting.... theres not a huge amount you can do there. i generally think player voting should still be the mechanism for WC and finale because it gives agency to the players in the game, and not a 'faceless group' which the jury consists of (and they are no doubt burnt out at that point). there will be a lot more controversy if juries decide compare to groups of peers.

    sending 2 people per site: heavily disagree - makes things even more cliquey, introduces more 'meta' components into champs which sucks, also going to raise more questions rightly or wrongly about vote gaming. i would rather less champs games be played than having 2 people from the same site.

    re spec chat: i agree that it is generally impossible to remove spec chat and its an important experience for a lot of people. i think mods just have to be willing to employ higher standards of moderation - and should likely be trying to round up candidates for next year to be discord mods even if just for champs, to help keep spec chat in line. if someone is a consistently antagonistic presence that is always causing issues, just kick em out for a month, they'll learn how to play nice (to be clear - there being an argument or a heated discussion shouldn't just be a straight kick but if someone is constantly causing fights (and theres plenty of data on the problematic posters of this year at least), yall should already know who to keep an eye out for and who to kick if they start $%#!ing things up again. make it very clear that criticism is fine, but being an $%#! is not, if you can't show tact or class, you will be evicted without trial gg no re.

    don't think votes should be publicised - people should not feel pressuresd to voting in a socially acceptable way, they should vote what they believe.

    re post mins and subs: i hate subs, ban them. post min should be at least 15 game related posts progressing the game forward in some capacity. modkill otherwise. they'll learn. (i doubt either of these will be implemented but noting my thoughts here anyway). just sub out after one incident imo, make the rules very very clear to each individual when signing up that there is no wiggle room, you have to make 15 game related posts each day or you die.

    re setup size: i personally like the idea of going back to 17ers - opens up a lot more room for setup design, it can be hard to design enjoyable, different games in 13ers.

    standarise 48/24 wipes out a chunk of players who simply don't play those phases, i don't find the idea inherently disagreeable from an ease of scheduling standpoint, but just think it will cut out too many players possibly because of it.

    players only dvc: i could be down for this, i could see players going into their own dvc for the game and then released into spec chat after the game is over. could be worth a trial.

    i'm okay with reduction of betting and bans of bets after n1 for each game.

    i think really, champ organisers need more people managing that side of things, and should be willing to get a bunch of people they can reasonably trust to not be turds to discord mod it up for champs to help manage the toxicity of spec chat. make it a temporary position or something, just so there can be enough eyes with power to be able to address issues. not sure how itd play out, but hopefully a more aggressive approach to spec chat will help tone down the atmosphere and posting to be less toxic.
    How can you call hoods very bad when a brief search into your game histoey reveals youve never randed a neighbor role?

    I think nighttime hoods are bad - but it absolutely is not extra work to manage a hood and thread. I invite you to play my next run of my favorite neighbor setup though, if you want to actually experience the role.
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    Sticky: [img] pen icon in top right, appears in games...

    Quote Originally Posted by supershorty (#246)
    WHAT NOTEPAD
    [img]

    pen icon in top right, appears in games you are a player in. (or games in general i believe)
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    Sticky: i used it to draft a post when i was capped by...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#244)
    Hmm, that reminds me that it came up briefly some time ago regarding how many champs players know about/use the notepad; I'd guess it is fairly low, especially considering that a great deal of people normally outside of champs tend not to know of its existence/use it!!!!

    Personally I've found it useful, especially when it's account-bound and when wanting to post from different places!!
    i used it to draft a post when i was capped by reacting to things in real time and noting it in the pad lol
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    Game Thread WWH is obvious town, idk about the other 2 but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2045)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#2043)
    i still maintain my solve of TL/cuth/igno/michelle
    No WWH? No lend? No Ampharos?
    WWH is obvious town, idk about the other 2 but from d1 I think the 4 i laid out are scummy and paired.

    if michelle keeps towntelling i will probably be looking more into my less confident town slots
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    Game Thread :really:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2044)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#2040)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2039)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#2038)
    i dont care if TL has 500 posts this phase. give logical reasons for why they shouldnt be voted - not this.
    Nah, you can give more logical reasons if you want me to vote them, or give me logical reasons not to vote Cuth or Igno.

    You've said this day phase, that TL:

    1) Is trying to gain towncred for not voting a town eod d1, and claiming they wanted Ampharos out.
    2) They egged on fights towards you
    3) Their analysis here doesn't match up to what you saw of them as town in the Witchhunt game.

    That's not a bad case, but atm if that's it I find the people who had pretty crap d1s and haven't even played this day phase to be scummier.
    ok i dont need your vote so have fun on vanity island lmao
    We'll see who's laughing when I'm the one voting a wolf at EOD :P
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    Game Thread i still maintain my solve of TL/cuth/igno/michelle

    i still maintain my solve of TL/cuth/igno/michelle
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    Game Thread afaic, the 2 top wagons are scum v scum, i just...

    afaic, the 2 top wagons are scum v scum, i just find it easier to prove that TL is scum + TL actually spews people
  42. Day 2#2040

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    Game Thread ok i dont need your vote so have fun on vanity...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2039)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#2038)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2036)
    I'd probably need a more thorough read from Koba before I vote the 2nd highest poster this phase and potentially have the game get more stagnant.
    i dont care if TL has 500 posts this phase. give logical reasons for why they shouldnt be voted - not this.
    Nah, you can give more logical reasons if you want me to vote them, or give me logical reasons not to vote Cuth or Igno.

    You've said this day phase, that TL:

    1) Is trying to gain towncred for not voting a town eod d1, and claiming they wanted Ampharos out.
    2) They egged on fights towards you
    3) Their analysis here doesn't match up to what you saw of them as town in the Witchhunt game.

    That's not a bad case, but atm if that's it I find the people who had pretty crap d1s and haven't even played this day phase to be scummier.
    ok i dont need your vote so have fun on vanity island lmao
  43. Day 2#2038

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    Game Thread i dont care if TL has 500 posts this phase. give...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2036)
    I'd probably need a more thorough read from Koba before I vote the 2nd highest poster this phase and potentially have the game get more stagnant.
    i dont care if TL has 500 posts this phase. give logical reasons for why they shouldnt be voted - not this.
  44. Day 2#2034

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    Game Thread oh hey i missed you during semifinals!! forgot...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#2031)
    Not really sure what TL's vca is accomplishing there and the question at GG is a little uh... I'll let her answer that herself but a contradiction gotcha at someone for treating their suspect differently from other players is pretty wonky

    I don't think it's particularly villagery and gun to head I'd vote them over you GG or Wes right now, but until more people show up or I dig in and reread I don't have a great feel for most of the field anymore
    oh hey i missed you during semifinals!! forgot what slot you were but I am sure you'd have been a finalist with me and i wouldnt be alone as a qual 1er
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    Sticky: i dont think its unreasonable, in a 15p game, to...

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa (#232)
    10 posts of game-related content would be fine, yeah

    my suggestion of upping the min to 20 is to accommodate for the inevitable posts of non-game related content mixed in there, because that sort of thing is difficult to moderate

    it's much more likely ~10 posts of game related content are going to happen if someone is posting at least 20 times, whereas with 10 posts you get the usual greeting, questions, etc - and it's hard for there to be a metric of "game-related" - IE, is a $%#!post calling someone mafia game related content?

    when you have 20 i just feel it gives more wiggle room, or even 15
    i dont think its unreasonable, in a 15p game, to have 20 posts of game related content when there are 14 other players to interact with. ensuring people are posting about the game counteracts people needing to waste posts on getting people engaged.
  46. Day 2#2030

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    Game Thread Ampharos Arapocalypse Cuthalion DkKoba Frog...

    @Ampharos @Arapocalypse @Cuthalion @DkKoba @Frog @Garden Gnome @ignoramus @lendunistus @Michelle @Shad @sheepsaysmeep @Trustworthy Liberal @Visorslash @WerewolfHunter @Wesmaster160

    1 month left. get in here. ara, i know youre on site all the time. i know you will see this. you need to at least post and say youve been following along here.



    anyways I really still think TL is the play here - I don't think they've shown any of the depth that town!TL shows in their analysis in their latest posts. idk how to explain it! its just my own experience in that I can see the different level of shallowness vs depth that is present in town vs scum TL, or at least like the contrast from town TL to this.
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    Sticky: it is not a horrible idea to implement? easy...

    Quote Originally Posted by nutella (#224)
    Quote Originally Posted by DkKoba (#212)
    (alternatively ... hoods! like ive been saying all along.. daytime hoods so you have a place for hyperposters to vent all the ideas they have and theories, or at least have a player to interrogate and talk it out with (; )
    hoods in champs is inarguably and without exception a truly horrible awful idea. absolute nightmare. nightmare to implement, for jury, for the spirit of a spectated event, just no.
    it is not a horrible idea

    to implement? easy as $%#!. the bot already has functionality to create hoods, makaze can code it to be autolocked at night.

    spirit of a spectated event? spectator experience comes second over player experience. this is not how you make compromises FOR THE PLAYERS. this should be a non reason

    for jury? this is where there is a valid point to it - but it doesn't take much to identify who converted hood talk into game impact. this is exaggerating how hard it would be to read. it is just as much as reading a scumchat, which is arguably much much harder to parse since it involves planning for a whole game among 3-4 people who are likely active(my qual 1 chat was thousands of messages large, if we lost, jury would be somewhat obligated to read that chat!) also - I *am* on the jury for next year and I am saying this that i feel comfortable reaching an accurate picture of player skill without needing

    and just, i would appreciate perfectly sane ideas not to be labeled as "horrible" as much as I'd like to call 100 postcaps "horrible", a compromise should be reached, as I consider myself representing someone who played the format as a hyperposter.


    this literally solves 2 problems with 1 solution btw:

    you don't want a vanilla setup - ok so add some PRs that aren't investigative or super high impact. (well hoods are high impact but it is proportional to the skill you display ergo good)

    and - you want to accommodate people who might want to be more expressive and be active in the game!

    it is plenty possible to design a setup where all players are within a hood of some sort (: or most are, or perhaps some.


    and wrt being told that my attempt to get a raised postcap is futile -> I'm moreso pushing to prevent a LOWERED one.

    why do people who are active need to get the $%#! end of the stick just because people are less invested and can't read as many posts? there are communities out there where posting a lot is common - namely chat communites or discord communities(which I may add, is probably the future of mafia after forum starts dying out, and already is the norm with new mafia communities i have found) - are accustomed to many "posts"(lines)

    what those people who are perhaps overwhelmed by volume is the volume of PLAYERS and I find people unwilling to discuss playercount and go straight for the solution that leaves a section of players completely unhappy.
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    Sticky: abomination DVC rise up

    Quote Originally Posted by katze (#216)
    as far as im aware theres no rules prohibiting a player DVC, just isnt something the mods/hosts do for you

    which is probably fine imo
    abomination DVC rise up
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    Sticky: (alternatively ... hoods! like ive been saying...

    (alternatively ... hoods! like ive been saying all along.. daytime hoods so you have a place for hyperposters to vent all the ideas they have and theories, or at least have a player to interrogate and talk it out with (; )
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    Sticky: i am becoming the joker of postcaps

    i am becoming the joker of postcaps
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