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    Completed 1. Based on entry I felt Batman was towny based...

    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#706)
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#663)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#197)
    Shawnad is my other gut scum read because I think the RE vote was pretty opportunistic, and I just in general don't like the vibe I'm getting from her.
    Also, I know it's hard to describe gutreads, but could you try doing that to what you felt here? Do you remember at which posts you started getting the vibe, and try to describe if it was how she phrased things, what she talked about etc. Even gutreads are based in something even if it's hard to pinpoint
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#671)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#666)
    town: me/re/shawnda/onlyA/yogs/shad
    null: capage/samerk/you/mantis/nimbus/Sandy/Batman
    scum' orange/relm/prismo?

    this is where I think I'm at rn.
    Alright. I'm gonna ask you to explain some of them if that's ok (feel free to do the same to me based on my list).

    -What has been your full progression on Batman over the course of the game?
    -Is your full scumread on prismo his "dismissive tone" or something else aswell? Also, which posts did you refer to when calling him dismissive, and what about the dismissiveness makes him scummy (in the context of the game)
    -Have you only have positive thoughts about RE this game, or has there been anything you've gotten pinged by?


    i wanna hear M2's answer to these before i discuss them more
    1. Based on entry I felt Batman was towny based on tone and being kinda over the top but the constant pointing out that that he's town felt like lamist to me so I felt paranoid about him. His og post asking for claims after results felt towny or at least had towny motivations but ik Batman is good so idk what his true motivation was. I guess really he just gradually became a null. I think he has sacrificed his town games effectiveness to make himself harder to read based on others commenting on his meta. I don't really like how when I accused him of trying to pocket me he pretended like he didn't know me even though we'd been talking in the thread do that was wack. Overall idk.
    2. Mostly yeah. He tried to change the subject on me just to shade me and refused to acknowledge/argue what I was saying. I can't get the exact post atm (on mobile). His response to me calling him dismissive is basically saying he doesn't think I'm worth engaging with. His response to you isn't much better. Maybe it's just a personality problem as he says but I think it's easy for scum to scum to hide behind an "lol idgaf" attitude.
    3. I generally am paranoid about people that feel too clean bc I just generally get duped by deepscum all the time but I generally want to say I've liked Re for as long as I can remember. I might have gotten confused by his reaction to yogs joke post but after some thought it felt towny.
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    Completed Btw i heard some people commenting on my style...

    Btw i heard some people commenting on my style being weird. I don't have any scum games to provide but if you want to see how I play town you can look up "small street role madness" on Smogon or "d6 mafia" also on Smogon
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    Completed I feel kinda silly now for it but honestly the...

    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#856)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#845)
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#706)
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#663)
    Also, I know it's hard to describe gutreads, but could you try doing that to what you felt here? Do you remember at which posts you started getting the vibe, and try to describe if it was how she phrased things, what she talked about etc. Even gutreads are based in something even if it's hard to pinpoint
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#671)
    Alright. I'm gonna ask you to explain some of them if that's ok (feel free to do the same to me based on my list).

    -What has been your full progression on Batman over the course of the game?
    -Is your full scumread on prismo his "dismissive tone" or something else aswell? Also, which posts did you refer to when calling him dismissive, and what about the dismissiveness makes him scummy (in the context of the game)
    -Have you only have positive thoughts about RE this game, or has there been anything you've gotten pinged by?


    i wanna hear M2's answer to these before i discuss them more
    1. Based on entry I felt Batman was towny based on tone and being kinda over the top but the constant pointing out that that he's town felt like lamist to me so I felt paranoid about him. His og post asking for claims after results felt towny or at least had towny motivations but ik Batman is good so idk what his true motivation was. I guess really he just gradually became a null. I think he has sacrificed his town games effectiveness to make himself harder to read based on others commenting on his meta. I don't really like how when I accused him of trying to pocket me he pretended like he didn't know me even though we'd been talking in the thread do that was wack. Overall idk.
    2. Mostly yeah. He tried to change the subject on me just to shade me and refused to acknowledge/argue what I was saying. I can't get the exact post atm (on mobile). His response to me calling him dismissive is basically saying he doesn't think I'm worth engaging with. His response to you isn't much better. Maybe it's just a personality problem as he says but I think it's easy for scum to scum to hide behind an "lol idgaf" attitude.
    3. I generally am paranoid about people that feel too clean bc I just generally get duped by deepscum all the time but I generally want to say I've liked Re for as long as I can remember. I might have gotten confused by his reaction to yogs joke post but after some thought it felt towny.
    thanks

    bolded is an interesting and potentially towny take.

    Could you answer the first post in my spoiler there too about Shawn?
    I feel kinda silly now for it but honestly the emojis and extreme friendliness felt manufactured but I can now see that that probably isn't the case.
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    Completed Batman this isn't how you make it to finals tbh.

    Batman this isn't how you make it to finals tbh.
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    Completed wolf

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#1006)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantisdreamz (#970)
    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#951)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantisdreamz (#941)
    @OrangeP47 - who is scummy to you?
    Why are you asking him specifically?
    cause he was in the thread posting
    Ok I was thinking more like "we've played together a lot" or something as the best answer.

    It stood out to me because Orange was the lead wagon and even fresh out the gate that's something I would notice, and it struck me a little odd to ask the guy who presumably a number of people regard as the best lynch option for your blank slate guidance.

    /shrug
    wolf
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    Completed I'm okay with most of these lynch trains which...

    I'm okay with most of these lynch trains which tells me that the game might be significantly different than the way I'm viewing it or town is just killing $#@!.
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    Completed I probably want to look at Relm/Shad again today....

    I probably want to look at Relm/Shad again today. I either want to think that we are dealing with a deepmole here or a team full of inactives because everybody that is active in the thread feels at least vaguely towny to me.
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    Completed okay town: me: duh you: haven't really...

    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#1435)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1433)
    because everybody that is active in the thread feels at least vaguely towny to me.
    talk specifics
    okay

    town:

    me: duh
    you: haven't really questioned this one that hard, you're the one mostly driving conversation though it is a little weird that you survived n1 which might've been because mafia assumed you'd be protected here bc I don't think you're a deepmole here.
    scare: I think he comes off genuine and I like the fact that he was willing to disagree with me and RE on our prismo sr.
    RE: ig this is the most likely deepmole for me after Shad. Overall pretty towny, but when she followed me on my prismo sr and ended up on the right wagon I think deepscum!re is possible but not likely.
    yogs: Honestly idr what exactly made me tr him but he has felt somewhat towny since day 1.
    OnlyA: Not exactly sure how to feel about him dropping his scum read of yogs, it felt kinda sudden. I still think sticking to that read for so long probably makes him bad-ish town here.
    ----
    Batman(?): this one is still a nullish/town read, but eh? I don't think I would entertain a lynch on him at this point.
    Shad: This is probably my biggest null read rn. There isn't really a smoking gun, and I was actually going to town read them because I thought they didn't end up voting nimbus until I realized that they were on
    nimbus in the end. I think Shad is the most likely person to have bussed nimbus there. The signalling against inactives constantly bugs me. Despite there being a few towny remarks such as calling out orange, and being quick to defend/clear onlyA, re1031, mantis, etc, but I can't help but feel like these are red herrings atm. I just have a bad feeling about this slot. Starting the day by announcing that they should be cleared is a bold move but just makes me question this slot all the more.
    Orange: no particularly strong feelings tbh. I think his post against yogs was kind of scummy, but looking at it now I think that was a red herring from Shad.
    less actives (santy/sam/mantis/capage/etc.): no strong feelings tbh. I feel like scum very well could be in here.
    --
    relm: overly quick to hop in on Batman's plan, sheeps my vote on shawna and tr's me very strongly very early, misquotes me calling out swedish, and then when I get sus of him he dissapears. I think this is still my strongest scum read and I still think relm/nimbus could be s/s.
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    Completed tbh I see no reason why not to vote Relm again...

    tbh I see no reason why not to vote Relm again right now.

    ##Vote Relm
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    Completed you didn't really but there was one post that...

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeP47 (#1463)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1461)
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#1435)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1433)
    because everybody that is active in the thread feels at least vaguely towny to me.
    talk specifics
    okay

    town:

    me: duh
    you: haven't really questioned this one that hard, you're the one mostly driving conversation though it is a little weird that you survived n1 which might've been because mafia assumed you'd be protected here bc I don't think you're a deepmole here.
    scare: I think he comes off genuine and I like the fact that he was willing to disagree with me and RE on our prismo sr.
    RE: ig this is the most likely deepmole for me after Shad. Overall pretty towny, but when she followed me on my prismo sr and ended up on the right wagon I think deepscum!re is possible but not likely.
    yogs: Honestly idr what exactly made me tr him but he has felt somewhat towny since day 1.
    OnlyA: Not exactly sure how to feel about him dropping his scum read of yogs, it felt kinda sudden. I still think sticking to that read for so long probably makes him bad-ish town here.
    ----
    Batman(?): this one is still a nullish/town read, but eh? I don't think I would entertain a lynch on him at this point.
    Shad: This is probably my biggest null read rn. There isn't really a smoking gun, and I was actually going to town read them because I thought they didn't end up voting nimbus until I realized that they were on
    nimbus in the end. I think Shad is the most likely person to have bussed nimbus there. The signalling against inactives constantly bugs me. Despite there being a few towny remarks such as calling out orange, and being quick to defend/clear onlyA, re1031, mantis, etc, but I can't help but feel like these are red herrings atm. I just have a bad feeling about this slot. Starting the day by announcing that they should be cleared is a bold move but just makes me question this slot all the more.
    Orange: no particularly strong feelings tbh. I think his post against yogs was kind of scummy, but looking at it now I think that was a red herring from Shad.
    less actives (santy/sam/mantis/capage/etc.): no strong feelings tbh. I feel like scum very well could be in here.
    --
    relm: overly quick to hop in on Batman's plan, sheeps my vote on shawna and tr's me very strongly very early, misquotes me calling out swedish, and then when I get sus of him he dissapears. I think this is still my strongest scum read and I still think relm/nimbus could be s/s.
    What post is this? I don't recall going in on yogs? I've had him lower than batman as town, but I've pretty consistently had him pretty high up. He's only been tinfoil at worst.
    you didn't really but there was one post that shad called out where you did seem a little scummy lemme find it
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    Completed if prismo is town, prismo is the kind of town...

    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#1467)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1461)
    less actives (santy/sam/mantis/capage/etc.): no strong feelings tbh. I feel like scum very well could be in here
    Is prismo in the "etc" part?

    Also, you surely have some thoughts on Santy since he's been in focus so much? I'd like to see your stance on the townreads he got from his ISO's and if you disagree with them: do you think they're coming from town or scum.
    if prismo is town, prismo is the kind of town player that I tend mislynch based on emotion. I really have no thoughts on him other than that he makes me angry.

    santy kinda flew past my radar entirely tbh what post is this iso on?
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    Completed Relm is my top scum read?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeP47 (#1470)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1466)
    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeP47 (#1463)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1461)
    okay

    town:

    me: duh
    you: haven't really questioned this one that hard, you're the one mostly driving conversation though it is a little weird that you survived n1 which might've been because mafia assumed you'd be protected here bc I don't think you're a deepmole here.
    scare: I think he comes off genuine and I like the fact that he was willing to disagree with me and RE on our prismo sr.
    RE: ig this is the most likely deepmole for me after Shad. Overall pretty towny, but when she followed me on my prismo sr and ended up on the right wagon I think deepscum!re is possible but not likely.
    yogs: Honestly idr what exactly made me tr him but he has felt somewhat towny since day 1.
    OnlyA: Not exactly sure how to feel about him dropping his scum read of yogs, it felt kinda sudden. I still think sticking to that read for so long probably makes him bad-ish town here.
    ----
    Batman(?): this one is still a nullish/town read, but eh? I don't think I would entertain a lynch on him at this point.
    Shad: This is probably my biggest null read rn. There isn't really a smoking gun, and I was actually going to town read them because I thought they didn't end up voting nimbus until I realized that they were on
    nimbus in the end. I think Shad is the most likely person to have bussed nimbus there. The signalling against inactives constantly bugs me. Despite there being a few towny remarks such as calling out orange, and being quick to defend/clear onlyA, re1031, mantis, etc, but I can't help but feel like these are red herrings atm. I just have a bad feeling about this slot. Starting the day by announcing that they should be cleared is a bold move but just makes me question this slot all the more.
    Orange: no particularly strong feelings tbh. I think his post against yogs was kind of scummy, but looking at it now I think that was a red herring from Shad.
    less actives (santy/sam/mantis/capage/etc.): no strong feelings tbh. I feel like scum very well could be in here.
    --
    relm: overly quick to hop in on Batman's plan, sheeps my vote on shawna and tr's me very strongly very early, misquotes me calling out swedish, and then when I get sus of him he dissapears. I think this is still my strongest scum read and I still think relm/nimbus could be s/s.
    What post is this? I don't recall going in on yogs? I've had him lower than batman as town, but I've pretty consistently had him pretty high up. He's only been tinfoil at worst.
    you didn't really but there was one post that shad called out where you did seem a little scummy lemme find it
    And that's all you've got on me, despite me being a top wagon last day? One comment Shad made? I don't really like your Shad read either. I don't find him to be a likely busser. It does make a certain amount of sense in a Relm scum world, but only in a very specific world, and I don't see that thought process from you.
    Relm is my top scum read?
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    Completed I think it makes perfect sense for scum!Shad to...

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeP47 (#1472)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1471)
    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeP47 (#1470)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1466)
    you didn't really but there was one post that shad called out where you did seem a little scummy lemme find it
    And that's all you've got on me, despite me being a top wagon last day? One comment Shad made? I don't really like your Shad read either. I don't find him to be a likely busser. It does make a certain amount of sense in a Relm scum world, but only in a very specific world, and I don't see that thought process from you.
    Relm is my top scum read?
    Yeah, but you didn't mention anything about PR considerations, unless that was you earlier, but I don't think it was. Like, to bus in that situation, Relm would have to be prefered over Nimbus, but you haven't talked about that.

    I mean, if you think that, I guess that's fine, but please elaborate on that train of thought. You focused your scum read of Shade elsewhere.
    I think it makes perfect sense for scum!Shad to try to redirect the lynch from scum!relm to nimbus.
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    Completed Because in any mafia game its unlikely to have a...

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeP47 (#1475)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1474)
    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeP47 (#1472)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1471)
    Relm is my top scum read?
    Yeah, but you didn't mention anything about PR considerations, unless that was you earlier, but I don't think it was. Like, to bus in that situation, Relm would have to be prefered over Nimbus, but you haven't talked about that.

    I mean, if you think that, I guess that's fine, but please elaborate on that train of thought. You focused your scum read of Shade elsewhere.
    I think it makes perfect sense for scum!Shad to try to redirect the lynch from scum!relm to nimbus.
    Why? I can think of a few theoretical reasons, but I want to hear what YOU think on the matter.
    Because in any mafia game its unlikely to have a w/w eod, so if Shad redirects the lynch from relm to nimbus it;

    1. validates him calling nimbus out earlier
    2. gives him town cred for being on the "right" wagon.
    3. probably gives relm time to live considering that w/w wagons tend to be unlikely.
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    Completed I figure if you are scum here you're probably...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#1489)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1481)
    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeP47 (#1475)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1474)
    I think it makes perfect sense for scum!Shad to try to redirect the lynch from scum!relm to nimbus.
    Why? I can think of a few theoretical reasons, but I want to hear what YOU think on the matter.
    Because in any mafia game its unlikely to have a w/w eod, so if Shad redirects the lynch from relm to nimbus it;

    1. validates him calling nimbus out earlier
    2. gives him town cred for being on the "right" wagon.
    3. probably gives relm time to live considering that w/w wagons tend to be unlikely.
    You're missing the part where I was on Relm for most of the phase.

    Like I wouldn't say I was vocally advocating for her lynch all day long but I definitely ensured the wagon stayed a thing.

    Why as a wolf would I want to kill a partner to "validate" my earlier push there? Bussing is a pretty straight forward if stupid gambit.
    I figure if you are scum here you're probably with two or three inactives and felt desperate to get town cred so hopefully you could carry your team. In that case, bussing would a pretty good tactic and tbh thats what a good scum player would probably do on any of the sites that I play on. Though tbh, it might be a little far for you to push two teammates on day 1. It would kinda seem like tmi. :/
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    Completed im saying that if shad is scum then pushing two...

    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#1496)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1494)
    Though tbh, it might be a little far for you to push two teammates on day 1. It would kinda seem like tmi. :/
    what...

    Would it be too far for him to be scum or would it seem like TMI, which is it?
    im saying that if shad is scum then pushing two of his partners day 1 would be suspicious because it would seem like he had too much information.
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    Completed I think trying to evaluate what would be a good...

    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#1505)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1498)
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#1496)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1494)
    Though tbh, it might be a little far for you to push two teammates on day 1. It would kinda seem like tmi. :/
    what...

    Would it be too far for him to be scum or would it seem like TMI, which is it?
    im saying that if shad is scum then pushing two of his partners day 1 would be suspicious because it would seem like he had too much information.
    This makes aboslutely 0 sense to me. IF HES SCUM you don't need to read into what's suspicious or not. Then he's scum and that's that.

    The question is if you think it's "too much for him to be scum", or if it's suspiciously TMI'y that he voted/pushed 2 wolves if you DON'T KNOW Shad's alignment
    I think trying to evaluate what would be a good play on scum!shad's part is important to evaluating whether he can be a wolf or not or whether relm/nimbus can be w/w--that's why I pointed out that bussing 1 wolf would be smart for shad, but bussing 2 wolves would look really bad.

    I think if relm/nimbus is w/w it would give me pause on shad (because I don't think bussing two wolf partners on d1 is a smart play to make) but I'd still probably want to flip him anyways because it would be TMI.
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    Completed tbh I think RE/Shad are the most likely...

    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#1517)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1514)
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#1505)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1498)
    im saying that if shad is scum then pushing two of his partners day 1 would be suspicious because it would seem like he had too much information.
    This makes aboslutely 0 sense to me. IF HES SCUM you don't need to read into what's suspicious or not. Then he's scum and that's that.

    The question is if you think it's "too much for him to be scum", or if it's suspiciously TMI'y that he voted/pushed 2 wolves if you DON'T KNOW Shad's alignment
    I think trying to evaluate what would be a good play on scum!shad's part is important to evaluating whether he can be a wolf or not or whether relm/nimbus can be w/w--that's why I pointed out that bussing 1 wolf would be smart for shad, but bussing 2 wolves would look really bad.

    I think if relm/nimbus is w/w it would give me pause on shad (because I don't think bussing two wolf partners on d1 is a smart play to make) but I'd still probably want to flip him anyways because it would be TMI.
    I can't tell if this logic is TWTBAW or just W. Yog help me
    tbh I think RE/Shad are the most likely deepwolves, and I think RE is townier here, so I don't think I ever go without flipping Shad. If we flipped relm first and he turns out to be a wolf, then yeah I'd probably second guess myself on Shad just because I think bussing two partners day 1 is either a bad play or a really bold play but I still think Shad would look suspicious regardless of a relm flip.
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    Completed I don't really see this. ik I tend to talk to my...

    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#1534)
    Is this how you talk to a guy that's 15-20% wolf? Sounds like you know him to be town in the bolded lines here
    I don't really see this. ik I tend to talk to my scum reads assuming the best, and he does think yogs is 80% town here.
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    Completed the thing with batman is that I don't understand...

    the thing with batman is that I don't understand why he said we couldn't lynch a claimed tracker/watcher when roles aren't ai in this set up.
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    Completed seems like an ego thing tbh, like he doesn't want...

    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#1544)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1540)
    the thing with batman is that I don't understand why he said we couldn't lynch a claimed tracker/watcher when roles aren't ai in this set up.
    That's the other major set of lies

    He made a big deal about how everyone is a power role and nobody's role is more important than anyone else's

    and then freaked out everytime somebody made a claim and refuses to lynch anyone that claims anything
    seems like an ego thing tbh, like he doesn't want to lynch people that go along with his claiming strategy.
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    Completed is this reverse omgus tbh? can you explain why...

    Quote Originally Posted by -Prismo- (#1541)
    Hmm, wow. Based on this message M2H gains some brownie points on my scale.. More townlean than scum because instead of basically doing what RE is doing, she puts solid reasoning instead of mudslinging.
    is this reverse omgus tbh? can you explain why you scum read me and RE in the first place because it seems like a reaction to us voting you tbh.
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    Completed ok turns out I didn't vote you, just expressed...

    Quote Originally Posted by -Prismo- (#1560)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1555)
    Quote Originally Posted by -Prismo- (#1541)
    Hmm, wow. Based on this message M2H gains some brownie points on my scale.. More townlean than scum because instead of basically doing what RE is doing, she puts solid reasoning instead of mudslinging.
    is this reverse omgus tbh? can you explain why you scum read me and RE in the first place because it seems like a reaction to us voting you tbh.
    When did you vote me ?

    I will address the RE issue in a bit.
    ok turns out I didn't vote you, just expressed suspicion in you.

    point still stands you were sus of me and refused to engage with me until I said you are the type of person that I would mislynch and didn't sr you.

    plus re is another sr of you and she definitely did vote you which is probably the only scummy thing she's done this game tbh. Overall I think she is pretty towny, so I definitely want to see how you think otherwise.
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    Completed Prismo is doing nothing to make himself look...

    Prismo is doing nothing to make himself look better tbh. Still looks like a bad null player tbh.
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    Completed probably to dodge protection

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#1622)
    Come to think of it if I am a wolf when do I ever not shoot one of SS or Yog last night lol

    That shot was not called by a MU vet.
    probably to dodge protection
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    Completed tbf scare was posting while prismo- was on so its...

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeP47 (#1629)
    Quote Originally Posted by -Prismo- (#1623)
    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#1602)
    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#1601)
    I don't know what you mean here

    Is that a good thing or a bad thing
    bad thing. Narrtive = he knows the ending and is trying to lay out the story to get there. Doesn't feel like he's actually describing his own feelings about RE's posts
    Well, you're not in the position to tell me what my understanding is or how to lay it out.

    I'm quite open to hearing why you think RE wanted to sub Nimbus out for me. Taking into consideration the fact that her entire FOS on me is based on the fact that I made multiple catch up posts.

    If that's such a problem lets Lynch Scare along with me .. because we pretty much caught up at the same time and gave our ideas about previous posts at the same time.
    I don't think the case is just "making make up posts", but HOW you make make up posts. The quality of those make up posts, if you will. Scare's posts are higher quality, in essence.

    For example, I'd suspect you're posts to contain more content than they actually do if you're actually catching up, to say more things, to make more points. Your original catch up was lacking. Your posts now are kinda similar. You're focusing on a narrow range of subjects, but you actually seem to know more than you let on, as evidence by bringing up Scare. You know things you're not talking about, while trying to play the "poor me, I'm lost and just catching up" card.
    tbf scare was posting while prismo- was on so its entirely possible that prismo read scare's posts first.
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    Completed yeah and tbh I'm still gonna do it. tho you...

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeP47 (#1633)
    Didn't someone already tell you you shouldn't make answers for other people?
    yeah and tbh I'm still gonna do it.

    tho you aren't really asking prismo a question, you're more making an assertion.
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    Completed you arent smart enough to be a deepmole tbh.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1663)
    Quote Originally Posted by Charu (#1650)
    If so, why wasn't BATMAN killed?
    I asked for protection and I was an outed town role.
    Therefore wolves figured I will be watched or saved since I asked for it.
    Turns out watcher wasted on Shad but oh well we been over this at opening today. Read it
    you arent smart enough to be a deepmole tbh.
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    Completed because Batman just continuously shows a lack of...

    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishSkumbag (#1666)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1665)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1663)
    Quote Originally Posted by Charu (#1650)
    If so, why wasn't BATMAN killed?
    I asked for protection and I was an outed town role.
    Therefore wolves figured I will be watched or saved since I asked for it.
    Turns out watcher wasted on Shad but oh well we been over this at opening today. Read it
    you arent smart enough to be a deepmole tbh.
    what prompted you to make this post? Seems kinda out of nowhere
    because Batman just continuously shows a lack of self-awareness that honestly is grating on me.
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    Completed an iso (short for isolation) is where you read a...

    Quote Originally Posted by Relm (#1725)
    I keep seeing ISO used a lot, it would be a big help if one of you could tell me what it means since I've never seen it before
    an iso (short for isolation) is where you read a all of a person's posts on their own
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    Completed Shad can I get a little more progression on your...

    @Shad can I get a little more progression on your read of me? Like I'm not entirely sure that I believe that you ever thought I was the deepmole. I thought you ISO'd me the other day and all the posts you pointed out back then were made prior to when you changed your previous scum read of me?

    like here's a timeline

    I call you out -> you sr me -> you iso me -> you tr me -> i iso you -> i tr you -> i call you a potential deepmole -> you call me a potential deepmole -> you iso the exact same posts as last time (all those posts were posted prior to your previous iso) -> you tr me
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    Completed yeah he's annoying but we aren't trying to...

    Quote Originally Posted by RE1031 (#1734)
    I think his condescending attitude is false bravado and he's has yet to do anything useful to remotely warrant it, if that kind of approach was welcome.
    yeah he's annoying but we aren't trying to determine who we get along with.
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    Completed its pretty obvious that his attitude towards me...

    its pretty obvious that his attitude towards me and you is omgus and that's frustrating to see at a champs level where I kind of expect a certain level of play, but eh, he's prob not my first lynch here.
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    Completed I only say that because he claimed that he...

    Quote Originally Posted by RE1031 (#1739)
    I don't think he's OMGUSing you. But I'll try not to tunnel.

    I think I want to see what else Relm has to say today before being okay with her lynch.
    Right now the only benefit I see is confirming the alignments of the two trains from yesterday.
    I only say that because he claimed that he doesn't see a reason to interact with people with my line of reasoning and scum read me yesterday (where I scum read him) but then now town reads me after me saying I probably wouldn't lynch him.
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    Completed also you're not a deepmole RE1031, right?

    also you're not a deepmole @RE1031, right?
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    Completed your rating of MY content is YOUR opinion and has...

    Quote Originally Posted by -Prismo- (#1758)
    See only if you READ and RETAINED you wouldn't be in a position where you need to play the victim. I've clearly and boldly outlined how I found you scummy based on the fact that you skimmed through Shag's posts and then came back to accuse him of posting filler / fluff. The MAIN reason for saying I think you're scummy was because I find people who skim to be mainly scum. Because why would you need to read anything if you have scumbies in QT or Discord to catch you up ? Also not actually reading people's posts is an anti-town quality (with exception to Batman's posts). Because if you're not informed you cannot make informed decisions that WILL help town. So even if you are town, by skimming you are costing town and need to be cut off / lynched.
    your rating of MY content is YOUR opinion and has nothing to do with me beyond that.

    jk but if you continued to read you'd find that I found that his posts were mostly filler, it's just that there was admittedly a little more content there than I expected
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    Completed sorry but this is actually pinging me really hard...

    Quote Originally Posted by OnlyA (#1754)
    basically just seeking confirmation bias
    sorry but this is actually pinging me really hard and I'm not sure why? Maybe because you acted super sure about your read but then you just instantly changed your mind? What posts actually pinged you on me in the first place?
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    Completed I wouldn't say its skimming to lose part of the...

    Quote Originally Posted by -Prismo- (#1764)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1760)
    Quote Originally Posted by -Prismo- (#1758)
    See only if you READ and RETAINED you wouldn't be in a position where you need to play the victim. I've clearly and boldly outlined how I found you scummy based on the fact that you skimmed through Shag's posts and then came back to accuse him of posting filler / fluff. The MAIN reason for saying I think you're scummy was because I find people who skim to be mainly scum. Because why would you need to read anything if you have scumbies in QT or Discord to catch you up ? Also not actually reading people's posts is an anti-town quality (with exception to Batman's posts). Because if you're not informed you cannot make informed decisions that WILL help town. So even if you are town, by skimming you are costing town and need to be cut off / lynched.
    your rating of MY content is YOUR opinion and has nothing to do with me beyond that.

    jk but if you continued to read you'd find that I found that his posts were mostly filler, it's just that there was admittedly a little more content there than I expected
    lol, nice one.

    But I did see your post that ended up saying you missed his posts and you actually ISO'd him and changed your view.

    Unfortunately for you that didn't help your case in my books because even then, you're STILL a skimmer. The only thing that changed was when you made the smart observation that the only thing that irritates you about me is my attitude and that you always Lynch people like me plainly because of that.

    To me that is the kind of honesty I can accept and respect. Whether you vote for me or not, you wouldn't be a sheep, you wouldn't be a skimmer, you'd be voting for me albeit for the wrong reason. It's your own.

    There's no OMGUS in any of this at all. Even if you had voted me.
    I wouldn't say its skimming to lose part of the details in the big picture, especially considering how much content there is in this game. I do think you are misrepresenting what I am saying.

    I tend to mislynch people like you because I find people that act like you unhelpful both in helping other townies avoid mislynching them and in communicating with others to find scum. People like you choose making a scum game a lot easier (because all you have to do is say $#@! you to everybody to maintain your meta) but in exchange your town game is a lot worse, at least if you are like some people I know.

    That's entirely your choice, but no I'm not giving you any points for that, and at best you are going to stay a null. That isn't me trying to take away your freedom, that's me saying that I'm not going to reward you for choosing to play badly to give yourself a handicap for when you roll scum (or maybe you're scum right now, idk).

    My impression of you right now is "well maybe he's town, maybe he isn't, but he's definitely not doing town or himself any favors."

    I think its kind of silly that you demand so much independence for yourself, but you're so quick to decide that "skimmers" are bad, or to assert what constitutes a "valid" vote.

    btw since I voted you first anybody that votes you is "sheeping" me, not the other way around.
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    Completed I am curious to find out how you go about...

    I am curious to find out how you go about scumhunting, tbh, since I'm sure there's a reason you're here. Guess we'll see.
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    Completed Tbh its 2 am and I'm not responding to this right...

    Quote Originally Posted by Relm (#1772)
    M2H #601-606 kind of made a good argument so far as vote reading and reasoning goes. + vote train on me when the other vote train was a mafia lynch makes me 100% feel that any maf had their votes on me unless one of them WIFOM'd it out 4d chess style. I'll ISO them in the morning for a full and proper post on why I put her as proper scum.
    Tbh its 2 am and I'm not responding to this right now. Maybe some time tomorrow.

    I'm sure that you will also fall victim to M2H ISO syndrome which is that everybody that ISO's me immediately drops their scum read of me. Maybe not, we'll see.
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    Completed why do i have two votes on me lmao?

    why do i have two votes on me lmao?
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    Completed :thinking:

    Quote Originally Posted by Capage (#1968)
    W - OnlyA, M2H
    WW - Orange
    WWW

    Ok, now Orange was the first vote on Nimbus. That makes him look way better. Conditions he voted Nimbus make it little dubious but not enough to doubt him today. RE was a critical vote. That makes him look better too and out of question for me (Mantis voting RE has been noted btw).
    My current read on Relm makes me think there was at least one wolf on him. M2H is the only person I'm scumleaning rn, so it would make sense to vote him too.
    Santy being totally off wagon makes him look worse.

    ##Vote M2H
    :thinking:
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    Completed okay tbh if im a wolf im hard bussing nimbus, not...

    Quote Originally Posted by Charu (#1972)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1966)
    why do i have two votes on me lmao?
    Some Wagonomics and you soft defending Nimbus for the most part when Shad made a joke and Swedish voted for them. That's the biggest offender against you and I'm willing to vote/lynch you for it due to the flip knowledge.

    I'm still reading, but that's pretty much why. There's no elaborate case or anything.
    okay tbh if im a wolf im hard bussing nimbus, not trying to save him.
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    Completed I don't think you can reduce my game down to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Charu (#1975)
    Quote Originally Posted by M2H (#1974)
    okay tbh if im a wolf im hard bussing nimbus, not trying to save him.
    If you start attacking Nimbus after post 999 (where I'm at right now), then fine. I'm going strictly on flips, votes, and your interaction when defending them earlier in the game.

    Doesn't change you never voted for them though. If you voted for them, then I wouldn't have just placed a vote on you when I got to that interaction to be honest.
    I don't think you can reduce my game down to "well you didn't vote for that guy, so you're scum."

    I really don't like this push against me rn and not just because it goes against my animal brain.
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    Completed @Swedish I remember you had some questions for me...

    @Swedish I remember you had some questions for me but I can't find them rn can you quote them at me (might be 2-3 hours before I answer tbh.

    @Relm I'm kinda confused on you atm because your post comes off pure tonally but I think you have scum motivation like you only address one of my posts and that was to defend yourself. If you actually believe that I'm scum, why aren't you responding to my posts? (same goes for prismo/santy) ig those'll be in the iso?
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    Completed because nimbus is deadweight and I wouldn't want...

    Quote Originally Posted by Santygrass (#1985)
    Im not sure if im interpreting it correctly, but generally i dont like the " If i were a wolf i wouldnt do x " . I mean if u explain it in a logical way its okay, but if u are referring to u personally as ur wolf playstyle it says nothing to me
    because nimbus is deadweight and I wouldn't want to have bad interactions with him after he flipped. In a world where I'm scum im in a much better position than nimbus was in, so why would I tank myself to save him?
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    Completed gotta meet my friend for a run, see you when I...

    gotta meet my friend for a run, see you when I can.
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    Completed hi im in the thread now

    hi im in the thread now
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    Completed tbf I wasn't there at end of day, maybe like 2-3...

    Quote Originally Posted by Relm (#2222)
    M2H didn't change her vote on me since placing it there, thus despite her being there at day end, the "mafia was probably not around" argument doesn't apply to her since she couldn't vote me twice, hell if anything it only makes her look worse.
    tbf I wasn't there at end of day, maybe like 2-3 hours before end of day.
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    Completed tbh I might be biased in saying this but I don't...

    tbh I might be biased in saying this but I don't think the wagon against me is entirely pure.
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