Type: Posts; User: MartinGG99
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Biohaz gets full alignment and role
god freaking dammit
I half-knew me not claiming was going to be bad
This whole thing heavily implies that Venti does not put in effort and I think that's disrespectful to the fact that Venti did play in some capacity, even if that capacity is something that you don't think had any effort in it.
So there was no absolute mechanical proof that you was town. Though obviously now we know Bong did have an elimination-related ability. If there was a full-flip from Bong then you would be effectively green-checked but since it was only an alignment flip there was room for reasonable uncertainty fmpov.
it's also an incredible way to confbias oneself into thinking a wolf is town
I'm very skeptical of such arguments and you replying "then vote me" in past instances of the game (ex: p#2707 ) didn't help fmpov
I didn't think you were very wolfy; I thought you very much weren't towny and in that regard that still left you open for a wolf who was playing to the idea "oh I make no sense as a wolf therefore I cannot be a wolf".
I do think I gave Cape a bit too much lee-way with his town-read of Biohaz though. In hindsight I should've scrutinized him and Biohaz more for that, as I largely read Biohaz as lean town over respect for Cape's abilities as a town.
Anyways I gtg
will be driving
but otherwise no; I think it's a shot-x ability that doesn't have to be sustained (Ex: Use on N1 and it effects next 2 day phases or whatever)
Something like this. I don't know where exactly to put Cape90 or GG so I'm putting them in L-W. I haven't found something that I could confidently say they're towny due in part that I've played with them in the past at champs.
2) Honestly, I have no clue why anyone would have that ability.
They clearly come back alive and able to vote.
Also we don't know the full details of the ability, only what's happened in the thread and that Dusk claimed responsibility (along with having several other abilities apparently that they did not elaborate on iirc). So I personally wouldn't speculate on it.
I'm only going to be able to pop-in for a few minutes about half an hour later.
I will not be able to change my vote after that unless I commit texting and driving, which I don't intend to do.
Ultimately this means the headstone claim is very likely true (due to lack of counter-claim), and given that this is specifically being done by Dusk to Phraze, it makes a w/w world of Dusk/Phraze seem almost impossible to me.
Which in turn means to me this is either v/w or v/v and before this I could really only see v/v or w/w but not really v/w. Since I think this interaction here (claiming headstone on Phraze) makes w/w very unlikely, I see v/v here much more easily than the alternative of v/w.
The words "which could suggest he is town" feel like that comes from trying to reason as a third-person perspective, almost. The words "could" and "suggest" are non-definitive. I think you would have something more definitive to say about a player who, as I've noted, has been voted by all but 3 living players in the past as well as apparently been part of discussion a lot.
This seems like saying "hey my wolf bud could be town if you look at it this way but I actually don't know with any certainty if he's a villager or a wolf"
that 6-way rand tho
but I would prefer not having Dusk/Bong/Phraze die so I'll just...
conspiracy theory says they're aligned with venti
I don't like how they say this even though there's been quite a bit of discussion about venti and I would think Luxy would've looked at them more than other players. Enough to say something other than "which could suggest he is town".
Soda's ability checks for alignment
And I feel this interaction shows that Dusk and Phraze are either both villagers, or in the event that I am somehow wrong, only one of them wolf (the wolf probably being Phraze, since Phraze has no reason to lie about Dusk's alignment if dusk was the wolf).
lol hydreigon I think he was talking to me
Well all words have connotation. If you don't know what that is:
I think it might be best if I try to demonstrate 2 different quotes. The top one is the one I wrote. The other one I wrote to demonstrate how connotation can affect how things feel.
These two quotes say the almost same thing, for the most part:
-I don't know how valid Dusk's reasons are
-I didn't have time to check.
-The clarity of their reasons is important
-Their reasons could be valid
HOWEVER, the connotations of both messages make them completely different from each other. They have a different tone to them that suggests other meanings.
For example, take note that in the first message I use "how clear" but in the second messages I used "how unclear". The words "how unclear" have a more negative connotation than the words "how clear" have.
The first one is more likely to be made when someone is town-reading Dusk.
The second one is more likely to be made when someone is scum-reading Dusk.
The most obvious example being use of words like "wolfy" and other words that have negative connotations if we think they're a wolf & have bad reasoning.
I'm probably using words that you feel have a strong positive connotation; and I probably am because I think they're town regardless of the validity of their reasoning (with the presumption that their reasoning isn't 100% invalid).
If we think someone has bad reasoning and is a wolf, the way we talk about their reasoning will be different from how we talk about them if they have bad reasoning but we think they're town.
I don't feel strongly about the validity; I didn't have time to check everything they noted (especially since they usually didn't quote relevant posts or whatever when talking about you). What is important to me is to how clear they were (or weren't) making those reasons.
So the reasons could be completely invalid and are by fact incorrect and X did not happen buuuut I would doubt anyone just does that.
You're stuck to your guns about it. (I actually don't know what that saying actually means but it felt like it fit)
Huh. Must be a weird mod-bot bug.
Retro Vote-count shows them, the post-vote-count does not.
Usually I'm very logical or maintain that appearance as wolf.
But anyways I'm starting to feel you may be town given your consistency and repetition of belief.
I just disagree with the Dusk read.
I mean to elaborate on #4 I would've expected you asking for my thoughts on it since I just used it (for what I thought) was an AI response, as Bong had responded to it.
1) I make a simplistic question with little depth.
2) You question my simplistic question.
3) I respond back with a generalization, not mentioning anything about why I did it to Bong.
4) You react here to my generalization with no mention or question of the situation I just used it in other than discussing the generalization
Now, with #3 & #4, I now wonder whether you were just a wolf jumping on something that didn't seem to have depth to it or if you're inquiring in an attempt to judge my alignment
You mentioned yourself (I believe) that you were having trouble finding out the reasons for which Dusk is voting you. If we presume this is a wolf trying to play at the optimal level, then they really would want those reasons to be seen easily as they're trying to "look like they're solving".
To me, it looks like they're in a corner of their mind thinking and just not verbalizing everything. Which is more of an awkward mid-point for a wolf than it is for something a villager wouldn't do; both possibilities in the previous sentence I think imply that Dusk is town here.
It's not impossible for them to be a wolf; I just see it as being unlikely. I think what they've done (or haven't done at times for that matter) ultimately means inconveniences for others or a not-so-great appearance when trying to solve them
They don't have very clear reasons for voting/pushing you (in fact its largely spread-out as tidbits throughout the game instead of, say, a singular post or two at a specific time-frame) but most wolf players tend to like having a clear appearance
I feel like dusk is a slot that currently doesn't care about appearances in an alignment-indicative way, but still cares about solving enough to be town
However, there are some players who don't care about appearance (in general) as either alignment, such as Hydreigon. But I don't see them being that sort of player at the moment especially since they have a gimmick.
will be back once I get food
Read whole of Dusk's iso and I'm leaning town on them
I'm basing this on the feeling that while some of the stuff they've done hasn't been very clear or helpful I do think that because of that some of their stuff is hard to see as something a wolf would want to perform
I think their handling of bongwater at times is an example of that
Too many unknowns/uncertainties even if the ability is similar to a past game imo
I'm not going to tinfoil whatever this is
I'm also not entirely sure it make sense as a mafia power. Sure, maybe third-party, but the fact of the matter is that having that message on repeat as well as them showing up in vote-count voting is a big way to drive attention to yourself
Only exception being Deck Mafia. In which case Guilo doesn't really have control in what cards repeatedly show up in the game other than creating those cards to be distributed.
If you were arguing for a doctor-like ability or whatever then sure. But I really doubt many guilo games (maybe at most 2-4) in the entire history of guilo will have that exact kind of fake-flip / yeet-survival mechanic.