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  1. Postgame#3625

    Thread: Spooky Scary Mafia Game Thread

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    Completed I can relate to that feeling tbh. I once...

    Quote Originally Posted by Biohaz (#3617)
    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#3614)
    Quote Originally Posted by Biohaz (#3607)
    I mean even with full setup revealed not using the death tailor was still a good choice to push for the win. So just being like "lol scum didn't use a good PR, what a bunch of idiots, this isn't townsided" just feels demeaning
    Who said you were a bunch of idiots for it?
    I mean you didn't I just interpreted your post from a negative mindset, sorry. Regardless it just felt terrible to get discounted like that especially when I still think it was a good idea even in hindsight
    I can relate to that feeling tbh. I once intentionally self-outed as a wolf in the F5 to ensure my teammate won the F3 (As I saw winning the F3 to be more likely than winning the F5) and the host later said something along the lines of "somehow it worked"...which implies as if there was no inherent value in my play and I just lucky in turning it for the better.
  2. Postgame#3604

    Thread: Spooky Scary Mafia Game Thread

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    Completed fixed

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#3603)
    Quote Originally Posted by from discord
    Night 4 Actions Resolution

    Martin died
    Biohaz gets full alignment and role
    god freaking dammit

    I half-knew me not claiming was going to be bad
    fixed
  3. Postgame#3603

    Thread: Spooky Scary Mafia Game Thread

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    Completed {quote=from discord] Night 4 Actions Resolution ...

    {quote=from discord]
    Night 4 Actions Resolution

    Martin died
    Biohaz gets full alignment and role
    [/quote]

    god freaking dammit

    I half-knew me not claiming was going to be bad
  4. Postgame#3584

    Thread: Spooky Scary Mafia Game Thread

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    Completed Be careful with what you're saying here. This...

    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#3561)
    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#3552)
    idc I just want to win 1 town game
    @Venti

    you should try to read your old games and see where you went wrong

    then try to analyze some champs games and see where you can improve

    you should try to read your games over again as both alignments

    if you really want to improve and start winning you’ll have to put in some effort unfortunately
    Be careful with what you're saying here.

    This whole thing heavily implies that Venti does not put in effort and I think that's disrespectful to the fact that Venti did play in some capacity, even if that capacity is something that you don't think had any effort in it.
  5. Postgame#3577

    Thread: Spooky Scary Mafia Game Thread

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    Completed I think there's some argument to be made that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#3558)
    i'm just tilted dusk voted the green check
    I think there's some argument to be made that Bong's flip implied you town regardless, but I would like to note that since there was no full-flip we could not take Bong's word (a wolf's word) for it that he was responsible for his own elimination-proof trick.

    So there was no absolute mechanical proof that you was town. Though obviously now we know Bong did have an elimination-related ability. If there was a full-flip from Bong then you would be effectively green-checked but since it was only an alignment flip there was room for reasonable uncertainty fmpov.
  6. Postgame#3548

    Thread: Spooky Scary Mafia Game Thread

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    Completed https://c.tenor.com/jN4PiGYXUdcAAAAC/princess-brid...

    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#3532)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#3530)
    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#3492)
    My actions made no sense from scum PoV
    there are wolves out there who literally aim to play like that

    it's also an incredible way to confbias oneself into thinking a wolf is town

    I'm very skeptical of such arguments and you replying "then vote me" in past instances of the game (ex: p#2707 ) didn't help fmpov

    I didn't think you were very wolfy; I thought you very much weren't towny and in that regard that still left you open for a wolf who was playing to the idea "oh I make no sense as a wolf therefore I cannot be a wolf".

    I do think I gave Cape a bit too much lee-way with his town-read of Biohaz though. In hindsight I should've scrutinized him and Biohaz more for that, as I largely read Biohaz as lean town over respect for Cape's abilities as a town.
    read my wolf meta
  7. Postgame#3530

    Thread: Spooky Scary Mafia Game Thread

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    Completed there are wolves out there who literally aim to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#3492)
    My actions made no sense from scum PoV
    there are wolves out there who literally aim to play like that

    it's also an incredible way to confbias oneself into thinking a wolf is town

    I'm very skeptical of such arguments and you replying "then vote me" in past instances of the game (ex: p#2707 ) didn't help fmpov

    I didn't think you were very wolfy; I thought you very much weren't towny and in that regard that still left you open for a wolf who was playing to the idea "oh I make no sense as a wolf therefore I cannot be a wolf".

    I do think I gave Cape a bit too much lee-way with his town-read of Biohaz though. In hindsight I should've scrutinized him and Biohaz more for that, as I largely read Biohaz as lean town over respect for Cape's abilities as a town.
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    Completed Anyways I gtg will be driving

    Anyways I gtg

    will be driving
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    Completed If you can find indisputable proof that Guilo...

    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#3031)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#3029)
    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 (#3028)
    Why are you expecting some sort of counterclaim? Why wouldn't mafia have this sort of ability?
    1) The headstone is clearly a public ability and has only happened once; Therefore only one person has committed it and furthermore anyone who also has that ability must know that Dusk is lying unless they somehow targeted the same person in the same phase.

    2) Honestly, I have no clue why anyone would have that ability.

    They clearly come back alive and able to vote.

    Also we don't know the full details of the ability, only what's happened in the thread and that Dusk claimed responsibility (along with having several other abilities apparently that they did not elaborate on iirc). So I personally wouldn't speculate on it.
    Wait a minute, if dusk was vanillized then Phraze wouldn't have the gravestone anymore
    If you can find indisputable proof that Guilo processes things like that then I would agree

    but otherwise no; I think it's a shot-x ability that doesn't have to be sustained (Ex: Use on N1 and it effects next 2 day phases or whatever)
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    Completed referring to Cape here btw

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#3035)
    confidently say they're towny
    referring to Cape here btw
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    Completed Dusk (V) Bongwater (V) Phraze (V) Biohaz (L-V)...

    Dusk (V)
    Bongwater (V)
    Phraze (V)
    Biohaz (L-V)
    Hydreigon (N)
    Cape90 (L-W)
    GardenGnome (L-W)
    Luxy (W)
    Venti (W)

    V=Villager
    L-V=Lean Villager
    N=Null
    L-W=Lean Wolf
    W=Wolf

    Something like this. I don't know where exactly to put Cape90 or GG so I'm putting them in L-W. I haven't found something that I could confidently say they're towny due in part that I've played with them in the past at champs.
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    Completed 1) The headstone is clearly a public ability and...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 (#3028)
    Why are you expecting some sort of counterclaim? Why wouldn't mafia have this sort of ability?
    1) The headstone is clearly a public ability and has only happened once; Therefore only one person has committed it and furthermore anyone who also has that ability must know that Dusk is lying unless they somehow targeted the same person in the same phase.

    2) Honestly, I have no clue why anyone would have that ability.

    They clearly come back alive and able to vote.

    Also we don't know the full details of the ability, only what's happened in the thread and that Dusk claimed responsibility (along with having several other abilities apparently that they did not elaborate on iirc). So I personally wouldn't speculate on it.
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    Completed I'm only going to be able to pop-in for a few...

    I'm only going to be able to pop-in for a few minutes about half an hour later.

    I will not be able to change my vote after that unless I commit texting and driving, which I don't intend to do.
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    Completed Not that I'm aware of. Dusk was vanillalized...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 (#3024)
    Was anybody Vanillized last night?
    Not that I'm aware of.

    Dusk was vanillalized at EoD3 given this:

    Quote Originally Posted by TripleHaven (#2195)
    If the bitten player was town, they will be vanillalized at the end of the next day
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    Completed In my view, they are. I think if phraze were wolf...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 (#3021)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#3001)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#2986)
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskshimmer (#2984)
    I can confirm that I was vanillized.
    I was a cycle JoAT and claim the headstone on Phraze, and why she keeps dying
    Oh wow... Irony of revenge
    fwiw I think if no one else cc's the headstone thing then I think this solidly shows Phraze/Dusk as both town

    Soda's ability checks for alignment

    And I feel this interaction shows that Dusk and Phraze are either both villagers, or in the event that I am somehow wrong, only one of them wolf (the wolf probably being Phraze, since Phraze has no reason to lie about Dusk's alignment if dusk was the wolf).
    I am not sure how Phraze is cleared by all this
    In my view, they are. I think if phraze were wolf and dusk wolf, then I think this headstone claim makes little sense from !w dusk's viewpoint as in truth it doesn't add a whole lot. Other than "oh yeah I was responsible for that" and adding a sense of validity to their story, it also greatly risked possible counter-claim unless they knew a dead player (Ominoire) had that ability and had a hidden flip. All other dead players had flips iirc, and Phraze is obviously not dead.

    Ultimately this means the headstone claim is very likely true (due to lack of counter-claim), and given that this is specifically being done by Dusk to Phraze, it makes a w/w world of Dusk/Phraze seem almost impossible to me.

    Which in turn means to me this is either v/w or v/v and before this I could really only see v/v or w/w but not really v/w. Since I think this interaction here (claiming headstone on Phraze) makes w/w very unlikely, I see v/v here much more easily than the alternative of v/w.
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    Completed The words "which could suggest he is town" feel...

    The words "which could suggest he is town" feel like that comes from trying to reason as a third-person perspective, almost. The words "could" and "suggest" are non-definitive. I think you would have something more definitive to say about a player who, as I've noted, has been voted by all but 3 living players in the past as well as apparently been part of discussion a lot.

    This seems like saying "hey my wolf bud could be town if you look at it this way but I actually don't know with any certainty if he's a villager or a wolf"
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    Completed ebwop

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#3005)
    discussion about venti or relating to venti in their ISO
    ebwop
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    Completed that 6-way rand tho but I would prefer not...

    that 6-way rand tho

    but I would prefer not having Dusk/Bong/Phraze die so I'll just...

    ##Vote Luxy

    conspiracy theory says they're aligned with venti

    I don't like how they say this even though there's been quite a bit of discussion about venti and I would think Luxy would've looked at them more than other players. Enough to say something other than "which could suggest he is town".

    Quote Originally Posted by Luxy (#2965)
    I don't really have a clue about what Venti has been doing today, but I think he's being treated weirdly by most of the thread all game which could suggest he is town.
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    Completed fwiw I think if no one else cc's the headstone...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#2986)
    Quote Originally Posted by Duskshimmer (#2984)
    I can confirm that I was vanillized.
    I was a cycle JoAT and claim the headstone on Phraze, and why she keeps dying
    Oh wow... Irony of revenge
    fwiw I think if no one else cc's the headstone thing then I think this solidly shows Phraze/Dusk as both town

    Soda's ability checks for alignment

    And I feel this interaction shows that Dusk and Phraze are either both villagers, or in the event that I am somehow wrong, only one of them wolf (the wolf probably being Phraze, since Phraze has no reason to lie about Dusk's alignment if dusk was the wolf).
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    Completed I can't read GG typically, and given now that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Luxy (#2962)
    I feel like everyone has given Garden Gnome a free pass this game and they haven't really done anything.

    Didn't Phraze claim to have vanillarized Dusk?
    I can't read GG typically, and given now that they only post songs or whatever it seems to me that chopping that slot would be like playing the lottery with no clue as to how likely it is you'll win.
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    Completed lol hydreigon I think he was talking to me

    lol hydreigon I think he was talking to me
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    Completed Well all words have connotation. If you don't...

    Well all words have connotation. If you don't know what that is:

    An idea or feeling that a word invokes in addition to its literal or primary meaning.
    I think it might be best if I try to demonstrate 2 different quotes. The top one is the one I wrote. The other one I wrote to demonstrate how connotation can affect how things feel.

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2893)
    I don't feel strongly about the validity; I didn't have time to check everything they noted (especially since they usually didn't quote relevant posts or whatever when talking about you). What is important to me is to how clear they were (or weren't) making those reasons.

    So the reasons could be completely invalid and are by fact incorrect and X did not happen buuuut I would doubt anyone just does that.
    I actually don't know how valid their reasoning was; I didn't have time to check everything they noted or said. What's important here is how unclear they were in making those reasons.

    The reasons could be completely valid but I would doubt if they're completely valid.

    These two quotes say the almost same thing, for the most part:

    -I don't know how valid Dusk's reasons are
    -I didn't have time to check.
    -The clarity of their reasons is important
    -Their reasons could be valid

    HOWEVER, the connotations of both messages make them completely different from each other. They have a different tone to them that suggests other meanings.

    For example, take note that in the first message I use "how clear" but in the second messages I used "how unclear". The words "how unclear" have a more negative connotation than the words "how clear" have.

    The first one is more likely to be made when someone is town-reading Dusk.

    The second one is more likely to be made when someone is scum-reading Dusk.
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    Completed Which, for the above quote, is one of the reasons...

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2899)
    The most obvious example being use of words like "wolfy" and other words that have negative connotations if we think they're a wolf & have bad reasoning.

    I'm probably using words that you feel have a strong positive connotation; and I probably am because I think they're town regardless of the validity of their reasoning (with the presumption that their reasoning isn't 100% invalid).
    Which, for the above quote, is one of the reasons I've been town-reading you in the past hour. It seems you're reacting to connotations that wolves have a harder time picking up on simply because they aren't genuinely solving.
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    Completed The most obvious example being use of words like...

    The most obvious example being use of words like "wolfy" and other words that have negative connotations if we think they're a wolf & have bad reasoning.

    I'm probably using words that you feel have a strong positive connotation; and I probably am because I think they're town regardless of the validity of their reasoning (with the presumption that their reasoning isn't 100% invalid).
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    Completed I mean its going to change our tone on the...

    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2896)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2895)
    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2894)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2893)
    I think I just discussed what thought of them.

    I don't feel strongly about the validity; I didn't have time to check everything they noted (especially since they usually didn't quote relevant posts or whatever when talking about you). What is important to me is to how clear they were (or weren't) making those reasons.

    So the reasons could be completely invalid and are by fact incorrect and X did not happen buuuut I would doubt anyone just does that.
    The weird thing to me is it feels like you’re agreeing a lot with what dusk said, but you’re not acknowledging that.

    Why?
    I'm not agreeing with them. I imagine what you're feeling is the result of us disagreeing on whether their reasoning and play has made them wolf or town or otherwise. Since I think they're town, I don' think their reasons would be completely invalid or, rather, disingenuous.
    What do you mean?
    I mean its going to change our tone on the subject.

    If we think someone has bad reasoning and is a wolf, the way we talk about their reasoning will be different from how we talk about them if they have bad reasoning but we think they're town.
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    Completed Phraze How come you think Bong is more likely...

    @Phraze

    How come you think Bong is more likely wolf than Venti?
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    Completed I'm not agreeing with them. I imagine what you're...

    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2894)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2893)
    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2892)
    What did you think of dusk’s reasons for scumreading me?

    Did you think they were valid?
    I think I just discussed what thought of them.

    I don't feel strongly about the validity; I didn't have time to check everything they noted (especially since they usually didn't quote relevant posts or whatever when talking about you). What is important to me is to how clear they were (or weren't) making those reasons.

    So the reasons could be completely invalid and are by fact incorrect and X did not happen buuuut I would doubt anyone just does that.
    The weird thing to me is it feels like you’re agreeing a lot with what dusk said, but you’re not acknowledging that.

    Why?
    I'm not agreeing with them. I imagine what you're feeling is the result of us disagreeing on whether their reasoning and play has made them wolf or town or otherwise. Since I think they're town, I don' think their reasons would be completely invalid or, rather, disingenuous.
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    Completed I think I just discussed what thought of them. ...

    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2892)
    What did you think of dusk’s reasons for scumreading me?

    Did you think they were valid?
    I think I just discussed what thought of them.

    I don't feel strongly about the validity; I didn't have time to check everything they noted (especially since they usually didn't quote relevant posts or whatever when talking about you). What is important to me is to how clear they were (or weren't) making those reasons.

    So the reasons could be completely invalid and are by fact incorrect and X did not happen buuuut I would doubt anyone just does that.
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    Completed Meh. I think he just saw (or felt) something that...

    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2889)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2888)
    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2887)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2886)
    Not really anything. I was wondering if you were a wolf just doing bare-minimum and trying to look like you're solving. In other words, look towny to those who look at you. I figured if you were that then what you use to justify yourself or your beliefs would eventually shift (because I had iterated that I don't agree with them) but it doesn't seem like it has shifted at all.

    You're stuck to your guns about it. (I actually don't know what that saying actually means but it felt like it fit)
    Why did you think I was doing the bare minimum?
    Thread seemed dead, and you were pushing a singular slot that you seemingly have done for awhile now.

    Wouldn't take much to appear towny in a game filled with largely low-posters imo.
    So what did you think of dusk’s reasons for wolf reading me then?
    Meh. I think he just saw (or felt) something that he didn't like and voted it.

    He seems to have disliked you for most of the game.
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    Completed Thread seemed dead, and you were pushing a...

    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2887)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2886)
    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2885)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2878)
    Usually I'm very logical or maintain that appearance as wolf.

    But anyways I'm starting to feel you may be town given your consistency and repetition of belief.

    I just disagree with the Dusk read.
    What did you think of me before?
    Not really anything. I was wondering if you were a wolf just doing bare-minimum and trying to look like you're solving. In other words, look towny to those who look at you. I figured if you were that then what you use to justify yourself or your beliefs would eventually shift (because I had iterated that I don't agree with them) but it doesn't seem like it has shifted at all.

    You're stuck to your guns about it. (I actually don't know what that saying actually means but it felt like it fit)
    Why did you think I was doing the bare minimum?
    Thread seemed dead, and you were pushing a singular slot that you seemingly have done for awhile now.

    Wouldn't take much to appear towny in a game filled with largely low-posters imo.
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    Completed Not really anything. I was wondering if you were...

    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2885)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2878)
    Usually I'm very logical or maintain that appearance as wolf.

    But anyways I'm starting to feel you may be town given your consistency and repetition of belief.

    I just disagree with the Dusk read.
    What did you think of me before?
    Not really anything. I was wondering if you were a wolf just doing bare-minimum and trying to look like you're solving. In other words, look towny to those who look at you. I figured if you were that then what you use to justify yourself or your beliefs would eventually shift (because I had iterated that I don't agree with them) but it doesn't seem like it has shifted at all.

    You're stuck to your guns about it. (I actually don't know what that saying actually means but it felt like it fit)
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    Completed Huh. Must be a weird mod-bot bug. Retro...

    Huh. Must be a weird mod-bot bug.

    Retro Vote-count shows them, the post-vote-count does not.
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    Completed wait wth Jack/Ace/Ominoire are in the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#2879)
    Ace Marvel
    wait wth

    Jack/Ace/Ominoire are in the not-voting section now
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    Completed Have you not checked the vote-count?

    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#2876)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2868)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#2863)
    Venti/Bong are probably unaligned. Leaning on Bong being the wolf here, since Venti seems too random to be something. Venti might be wolf and Bong villa too. Highly doubt both are villa.

    Bong voted Venti on both D1 and D2, and now is voting with Venti on me.
    idk about Bong being more likely wolf (if v/w) but I do agree on doubting both venti and bong are villa
    Then vote me
    Have you not checked the vote-count?
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    Completed Usually I'm very logical or maintain that...

    Usually I'm very logical or maintain that appearance as wolf.

    But anyways I'm starting to feel you may be town given your consistency and repetition of belief.

    I just disagree with the Dusk read.
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    Completed Well if you excuse my ego for a moment: If I'm a...

    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2875)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2871)
    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2869)
    To me I think them trying to look like they’re solving while not actually accomplishing anything makes them look extremely wolfy because that’s the optimal play for a wolf in a game like this because you get to look like you’re helping while plugging none of the holes in the ship.
    That's ideally the optimal wolf play in any game. But if I presume they are a wolf, then I don't see why they would think they "look" like they're solving; at least not easily.

    You mentioned yourself (I believe) that you were having trouble finding out the reasons for which Dusk is voting you. If we presume this is a wolf trying to play at the optimal level, then they really would want those reasons to be seen easily as they're trying to "look like they're solving".

    To me, it looks like they're in a corner of their mind thinking and just not verbalizing everything. Which is more of an awkward mid-point for a wolf than it is for something a villager wouldn't do; both possibilities in the previous sentence I think imply that Dusk is town here.
    I believe in my personal experience that wolves generally don’t want to share their reasons for scumreading people. Because in our minds it’s very hard for us to keep up a consistent lie with a logical “story” to it.

    That’s why I think dusk is a wolf, there’s no story to their read.
    Well if you excuse my ego for a moment: If I'm a wolf here then I am absolutely rolling over you B)
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    Completed I mean to elaborate on #4 I would've expected you...

    I mean to elaborate on #4 I would've expected you asking for my thoughts on it since I just used it (for what I thought) was an AI response, as Bong had responded to it.
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    Completed I mean, I think you just demonstrated my point: ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 (#2872)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2870)
    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 (#2867)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2831)
    how is it a tunnel if they're a wolf

    you can't genuinely tunnel as a wolf
    fake-tunnel.

    Why are you using this argument against BongWater? It seems so elementary, or like, idk how to word things, reachy? it's like, whatever the combination of those things are I guess?
    I believed a simplistic one would provide me with insight on their slot

    Do you disagree and think anyone's response to that question would be NAI?
    I would think so. Why would anyones' response to that question not be NAI?
    I mean, I think you just demonstrated my point:

    1) I make a simplistic question with little depth.
    2) You question my simplistic question.
    3) I respond back with a generalization, not mentioning anything about why I did it to Bong.
    4) You react here to my generalization with no mention or question of the situation I just used it in other than discussing the generalization

    Now, with #3 & #4, I now wonder whether you were just a wolf jumping on something that didn't seem to have depth to it or if you're inquiring in an attempt to judge my alignment
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    Completed That's ideally the optimal wolf play in any game....

    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2869)
    To me I think them trying to look like they’re solving while not actually accomplishing anything makes them look extremely wolfy because that’s the optimal play for a wolf in a game like this because you get to look like you’re helping while plugging none of the holes in the ship.
    That's ideally the optimal wolf play in any game. But if I presume they are a wolf, then I don't see why they would think they "look" like they're solving; at least not easily.

    You mentioned yourself (I believe) that you were having trouble finding out the reasons for which Dusk is voting you. If we presume this is a wolf trying to play at the optimal level, then they really would want those reasons to be seen easily as they're trying to "look like they're solving".

    To me, it looks like they're in a corner of their mind thinking and just not verbalizing everything. Which is more of an awkward mid-point for a wolf than it is for something a villager wouldn't do; both possibilities in the previous sentence I think imply that Dusk is town here.
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    Completed I believed a simplistic one would provide me with...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 (#2867)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2831)
    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2782)
    ##Vote Duskshimmer

    Duskshimmer not reading my ISO at any point in their tunnel and also immediately jumping to third party hunting is wolfy as $%#!.
    how is it a tunnel if they're a wolf

    you can't genuinely tunnel as a wolf
    fake-tunnel.

    Why are you using this argument against BongWater? It seems so elementary, or like, idk how to word things, reachy? it's like, whatever the combination of those things are I guess?
    I believed a simplistic one would provide me with insight on their slot

    Do you disagree and think anyone's response to that question would be NAI?
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    Completed idk about Bong being more likely wolf (if v/w)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#2863)
    Venti/Bong are probably unaligned. Leaning on Bong being the wolf here, since Venti seems too random to be something. Venti might be wolf and Bong villa too. Highly doubt both are villa.

    Bong voted Venti on both D1 and D2, and now is voting with Venti on me.
    idk about Bong being more likely wolf (if v/w) but I do agree on doubting both venti and bong are villa
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    Completed Yeah Travis was my predecessor. I have been...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#2864)
    CrimsonFox flipped, I think? Travis might be Martin now.
    Yeah Travis was my predecessor.

    I have been puzzled as to why I've never been voted while my slot has only made one vote.

    According to cape my slot has just been towny ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    Completed I think my wolf games and what I've seen of other...

    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2859)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2857)
    Read whole of Dusk's iso and I'm leaning town on them

    I'm basing this on the feeling that while some of the stuff they've done hasn't been very clear or helpful I do think that because of that some of their stuff is hard to see as something a wolf would want to perform

    I think their handling of bongwater at times is an example of that
    How?

    If one were a wolf in a game state like this would they not play exactly like dusk?
    I think my wolf games and what I've seen of other wolves suggest otherwise

    It's not impossible for them to be a wolf; I just see it as being unlikely. I think what they've done (or haven't done at times for that matter) ultimately means inconveniences for others or a not-so-great appearance when trying to solve them

    They don't have very clear reasons for voting/pushing you (in fact its largely spread-out as tidbits throughout the game instead of, say, a singular post or two at a specific time-frame) but most wolf players tend to like having a clear appearance

    I feel like dusk is a slot that currently doesn't care about appearances in an alignment-indicative way, but still cares about solving enough to be town

    However, there are some players who don't care about appearance (in general) as either alignment, such as Hydreigon. But I don't see them being that sort of player at the moment especially since they have a gimmick.
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    Completed will be back once I get food

    will be back once I get food
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    Completed Read whole of Dusk's iso and I'm leaning town on...

    Read whole of Dusk's iso and I'm leaning town on them

    I'm basing this on the feeling that while some of the stuff they've done hasn't been very clear or helpful I do think that because of that some of their stuff is hard to see as something a wolf would want to perform

    I think their handling of bongwater at times is an example of that
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    Completed Too many unknowns/uncertainties even if the...

    Too many unknowns/uncertainties even if the ability is similar to a past game imo
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    Completed in fact doing that to someone else could be a...

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2847)
    is a big way to drive attention to yourself
    in fact doing that to someone else could be a pro-mafia thing I would imagine
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    Completed Yeah well last night it was night 3 so that's...

    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2839)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2838)
    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2805)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#2804)
    @BongWater
    I don't see how that's my role. I used Soda's ability on Dusk.
    denying your actual ability is a wolf claim
    I fail to see how another game's flip is relevant to this game's mechanics

    this isn't deck mafia afaik
    Because phraze has Boa’s ability.

    Boa’s ability only makes sense as a mafia ability (to me at least)

    So it all fits together perfectly
    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2802)
    You are the most beautiful woman in the world and you get four fake flip cards (Harribel) that will be passively posted to the thread announcing your death at the end of Day 1, Night 1, Day 2, and Night 2 no matter what, except you will not die.
    Yeah well last night it was night 3 so that's already a sign that things have been adjusted

    so like

    I'm not going to tinfoil whatever this is

    I'm also not entirely sure it make sense as a mafia power. Sure, maybe third-party, but the fact of the matter is that having that message on repeat as well as them showing up in vote-count voting is a big way to drive attention to yourself
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    Completed Only exception being Deck Mafia. In which case...

    Only exception being Deck Mafia. In which case Guilo doesn't really have control in what cards repeatedly show up in the game other than creating those cards to be distributed.
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    Completed I'm inclined to think the very fact that guilo is...

    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2820)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#2819)
    Quote Originally Posted by BongWater (#2815)
    no because you’ll survive the next elimination because you’ll use up a flip
    Why did you assume this? Just because a previous game from the host contains a wolf role with dead flip or something means you expect the host to use the same thing without any innovation whatsoever? This goes into modgaming, and even that needs to be logical. Assuming my role and that I will survive is just idiotic.
    Why not? That’s how Guillotina hosts from what I’ve seen.

    And admittedly it’s a cool role. And I’m guessing guillotina planned around the player claiming the passive so they aren’t outed when they don’t claim it.
    I'm inclined to think the very fact that guilo is creative lends itself to the idea that he wouldn't really repeat roles in the exact same way unless he needed a basic role or ability in the game. Guilo is the emobidment of creativity when it comes to hosting afaik, and repeating things or roles isn't really that.

    If you were arguing for a doctor-like ability or whatever then sure. But I really doubt many guilo games (maybe at most 2-4) in the entire history of guilo will have that exact kind of fake-flip / yeet-survival mechanic.
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