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    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed Gooooood win SPF!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#9210)
    POPULAR VOTE MVP PICK

    STAYPOSITIVEFRIEND
    Gooooood win SPF!!!
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    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed Meg your play was sublime!

    Quote Originally Posted by Megumin (#9201)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#9199)
    Quote Originally Posted by Megumin (#9198)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#9197)
    GG Y'all! So glad my ivy read was right. SPF/Nanook you're GOATS
    Yeah with our you two don't think i would have gotten there.
    Also means all my stress between Logic/Kajot was needless
    You played well subbing in for sure! Especially so late in the game
    Thanks happy i could help close it out for the town
    Meg your play was sublime!
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    Completed Accio Logic

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    Completed Worst ouija board ever. "Sorry thanks for...

    Worst ouija board ever.

    "Sorry thanks for popping by, but we got a ghoul party to head to"
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    Completed Oooooooooo

    Quote Originally Posted by Guillotina (#7935)
    THE DEAD FAILED TO REACH A CONCENSUS

    No Vote
    Oooooooooo
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    Completed Outlier I love you, but, sometimes your posting...

    Quote Originally Posted by Outlier (#7929)
    Web know Michelle green nothing there disqualifies Nook from being scum in Michelle's gladiate.

    Will not you and phraze voted Nook but I don't recall Nook being orrssed that hatd.. Nothing like what HK had going with Hydr
    Outlier I love you, but, sometimes your posting is really hard to understand.

    It becomes very clear when you need a nap
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    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed Wolves care too

    Quote Originally Posted by Kajot (#7927)
    ##Vote staypositivefriend

    Putting my vote here for now. Dead can evaluate what they want. I do have some resistance to staying as I feel like I still have missed parts in her ISO and she's clearly caring about the game...
    Wolves care too
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    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed Everyone should leave legacies To not is a...

    Everyone should leave legacies

    To not is a town crime!
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    Completed Trying my hardest!

    Quote Originally Posted by bladescape (#7901)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7900)
    Wish I had cards.
    Win this game and you will. =P
    Trying my hardest!
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    Completed Wish I had cards.

    Wish I had cards.
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    Completed Assuming 3 wolves can park on storm without...

    Quote Originally Posted by Outlier (#7891)
    If phraze and Nook on storms wagin bugs me
    Assuming 3 wolves can park on storm without attracting attention, and blade never gets chopped, the wolves don't have that much difficulty saving spf. Fits the tin foil.
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    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed Logic

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    Completed Yh in an hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Outlier (#7888)
    The dead get to weigh in on this, don't they?
    Yh in an hour
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    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed I just read her an I unsure thats true. Her...

    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletCelestial (#7885)
    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletCelestial (#7883)
    Quote Originally Posted by bladescape (#7876)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7874)
    OK so SPF D3 here:



    i dont think phraze/kajot/grant contains the entire wolfteam but i do think it contains at least one

    ##Vote Grant

    fwiw the fact that happy/HK were both adamant about killing kajot as soon as possible is not lost on me, and there's a decent chance that i'll end today with a vote on that slot

    i know my vote is on grant rn, but happy thinking that grant was improving while scumreading phraze/kajot more actually pushes me away from wanting to kill grant today

    lol yeah im leaning more and more on the kajot/grant slots just not being partnered

    so a world where people think that kajot/grant/phraze contains 2 wolves is a world where phraze is a wolf

    is phraze known to relentlessly hardbus? she pushed on grant pretty early on and has continued to do so throughout the entirety of her ISO. im increasingly feeling like neither phraze/kajot have much W/W equity with grant

    i dont like that kajot is fine with a grant elimination, considering:

    1. phraze is clearly kajot's strongest scumread - kajot has gone out of her way to emphasize multiple times that she thinks that phraze is probably just a wolf - calling her "probably a wolf" on p#4940 and voting for her on p#5969

    2. kajot has emphasized multiple times that she thinks that grant/phraze are NOT partnered. she said that grant/phraze were not W/W on p#4331 and emphasized the same point again on p#6054

    so, if kajot feels strongly that phraze is a wolf, and she also feels strongly that phraze/grant are not W/W, why is she OK with chopping grant today? why isn't she making more of an effort to get her strongest scumread chopped?

    blade (just gonna assume he got revived as a villager until im given a reason to believe otherwise)

    michelle - i maintain that the usage of her card was really villagery and contrary to how i think she would play it if she was a wolf (in addition to her posts being consistently solvey/containing a high depth of thought)

    good question - (have started to formulate some mild tinfoil about this slot but i think the most obvious answer is that he's just town)

    outlier (happy and HK both feeling very strongly about outlier being a villager makes me feel comfortable with this placement)

    doctorzeus - (consistently solvey, might be the player in this game with the highest level of WIM even when he was being pushed on by the entire thread, and i like that his observations have stayed equally as fervent even when the attention has gone away from him. might be a late-game tinfoil slot but atm i think he's just town)

    nanook (this placement is partially out of respect for happy having nanook as an IC and partially because there have been several points in this game where i have felt that nanook is outside of his wolfrange, even though his posts don't have as much "staying power" as some of the more villagery people in this game. the fact that nanook was off of the keeper wagon on d1 when i suspect that the deeper wolves would be ~On~ the keeper wagon could be a point in favor of him being town as well)

    logic - i do have concerns about him that have been increasingly growing, but it's hard to deny that the timing of his vote on keeper at the EOD1 was super towny and i dont think there's anything particularly ~wrong~ with his posts even though ive gotten pinged by him tonally a couple of times

    storm - i think he is genuinely rattled and irritated by his engagement with alice regardless of his alignment - i think the way that he tried to rally people onto alice on d1 and the way that he played his card yesterday were both really towny, but there are only so many times i can townread storm for alice-related reasons before it starts to have diminishing returns. another scenario where i think that storm's play this game comes from town far more often than not)

    alice - i have some mild concern about alice. she fits into the archetype of a wolf that tried to go deep by bussing keeper early on, and while i think she's had lots of energy and has made lots of "good" sounding posts, there's just something that's keeping me from feeling comfortable about calling her town

    scarlet - vote on keeper d1 was really towny, has had some towny posts here-and-there and i do think the blade kill on n1 could point to her being a villager as well. lower in my POE just because of how easily fakeable most of her posts are

    phraze - i dont even know what to say about phraze

    grant - ive felt reluctant to push too hard here because phraze/kajot both arguably don't have much W/W equity with grant, and because happy thought that grant was trending up right before he died, but there's no denying that grant's posts today are kind of just ....egregiously bad. it seems like grant has given up, but if grant has given up, why did he even bother to make a self-pres vote on p#5970? it's weird that he has an interest in staying alive at all when he clearly doesn't want to be in this game regardless of his alignment, which is arguably a wolftell for him. i dont feel anywhere near as confident about grant flipping wolf as some of the players here do, but i think his posts are pretty objectively wolfy and i have very few qualms with him dying

    kajot - it's hard for me to shake the fact that happy and HK both felt very, very strongly about kajot being a wolf and both died last night. even if i disregard the reads of the dead players, i'm lacking in any real reasons to townread the kajot slot. ivy's posts were very tonally towny, but "tone" only goes so far on d3 of a big game like this, and i think that kajot's posts have felt pretty consistently like Fake Scumhunting. her progression and treatment of grant really rubs me the wrong way and it feels like something she's doing with strategic intent instead of out of a genuine desire to figure out his alignment. would resolve her sooner than later

    can you name a single player that's saying that you and kajot must be W/W? and what's with the snarky attitude and passive aggressive comments when you've explicitly gone out of your way to avoid playing today?

    if you're not a wolf in anti-spew, then you should stop acting like one and start solving the game with the rest of us

    gonna go for a bit but atm i think phraze looks the worst of the 3 in the consensus ~POE~

    ##Vote Phraze

    alright uve inspired me ##Vote Phraze

    ##Vote Kajot

    good question and michelle are lock villagers gn


    I think yesterday I saw SPF's phraze/grant progression and thought it looked pretty bad. Today, in full, it doesn't look great at all TBH. All depends on how Kajot flips I guess.

    SPF frequently says that Phraze is the wolfiest, but then never reaaaaly says why. But she then finds a couple of Kajot posts and uses them to post before ducking out.

    I dunno, could be a world where SPF started bussing Phraze, then got worried because was going AFK, so popped on to Kajot.

    Again- it doesn't look good, especially in comparison to the very good looking Storm
    Question:
    Why does wolf!Phraze put wolf!SPF in the Gladiate?
    The tinfoil I have on it personally is that SPF knows they'd stay alive over Storm.
    *This is mostly based off SPF heavily Towning up today once the gladiate took effect combined with storm's low effort making it easier to argue that they're the better choice of execution but that may just be me being paranoid.
    I just read her an I unsure thats true.

    Her and Alice :Spiderman memed: each other & she saying she was very very villagery.
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    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed staypositivefriend For the wagons

    ##Vote staypositivefriend

    For the wagons
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    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed If Storm had done all this I'd probably save spf...

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7880)
    Quote Originally Posted by bladescape (#7876)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7874)
    OK so SPF D3 here:

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5509)
    i think that it's 100% safe to assume that there was a wolf on the keeper wagon at the EOD1, especially with blade's testimony in mind. the pool of doctor/alice/scarlet/logic/michelle/kajot 100% contains at least ~one wolf

    im also doubtful, based on blade's testimony, that the only wolf on the keeper wagon was the kajot slot. kajot's treatment of keeper can be described as "middling" at best, and kajot did not vote keeper until they were already outed, so in a world where keeper got bussed and is mad about it, there would need to be a wolf on their wagon other than kajot

    (also quickly noting here that i dont think that this points to kajot being a villager, and it actually might be the contrary, since any smart wolf would 100% have voted keeper after they had outed themselves)

    still not fully here but wanted to bring this up because i think it's a good place to start
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5574)
    i dont think phraze/kajot/grant contains the entire wolfteam but i do think it contains at least one
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5587)
    ##Vote Grant
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5588)
    fwiw the fact that happy/HK were both adamant about killing kajot as soon as possible is not lost on me, and there's a decent chance that i'll end today with a vote on that slot
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5591)
    i know my vote is on grant rn, but happy thinking that grant was improving while scumreading phraze/kajot more actually pushes me away from wanting to kill grant today
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5615)
    lol yeah im leaning more and more on the kajot/grant slots just not being partnered

    so a world where people think that kajot/grant/phraze contains 2 wolves is a world where phraze is a wolf
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5644)
    is phraze known to relentlessly hardbus? she pushed on grant pretty early on and has continued to do so throughout the entirety of her ISO. im increasingly feeling like neither phraze/kajot have much W/W equity with grant
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6182)
    i dont like that kajot is fine with a grant elimination, considering:

    1. phraze is clearly kajot's strongest scumread - kajot has gone out of her way to emphasize multiple times that she thinks that phraze is probably just a wolf - calling her "probably a wolf" on p#4940 and voting for her on p#5969

    2. kajot has emphasized multiple times that she thinks that grant/phraze are NOT partnered. she said that grant/phraze were not W/W on p#4331 and emphasized the same point again on p#6054

    so, if kajot feels strongly that phraze is a wolf, and she also feels strongly that phraze/grant are not W/W, why is she OK with chopping grant today? why isn't she making more of an effort to get her strongest scumread chopped?
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6232)
    blade (just gonna assume he got revived as a villager until im given a reason to believe otherwise)

    michelle - i maintain that the usage of her card was really villagery and contrary to how i think she would play it if she was a wolf (in addition to her posts being consistently solvey/containing a high depth of thought)

    good question - (have started to formulate some mild tinfoil about this slot but i think the most obvious answer is that he's just town)

    outlier (happy and HK both feeling very strongly about outlier being a villager makes me feel comfortable with this placement)

    doctorzeus - (consistently solvey, might be the player in this game with the highest level of WIM even when he was being pushed on by the entire thread, and i like that his observations have stayed equally as fervent even when the attention has gone away from him. might be a late-game tinfoil slot but atm i think he's just town)

    nanook (this placement is partially out of respect for happy having nanook as an IC and partially because there have been several points in this game where i have felt that nanook is outside of his wolfrange, even though his posts don't have as much "staying power" as some of the more villagery people in this game. the fact that nanook was off of the keeper wagon on d1 when i suspect that the deeper wolves would be ~On~ the keeper wagon could be a point in favor of him being town as well)

    logic - i do have concerns about him that have been increasingly growing, but it's hard to deny that the timing of his vote on keeper at the EOD1 was super towny and i dont think there's anything particularly ~wrong~ with his posts even though ive gotten pinged by him tonally a couple of times

    storm - i think he is genuinely rattled and irritated by his engagement with alice regardless of his alignment - i think the way that he tried to rally people onto alice on d1 and the way that he played his card yesterday were both really towny, but there are only so many times i can townread storm for alice-related reasons before it starts to have diminishing returns. another scenario where i think that storm's play this game comes from town far more often than not)

    alice - i have some mild concern about alice. she fits into the archetype of a wolf that tried to go deep by bussing keeper early on, and while i think she's had lots of energy and has made lots of "good" sounding posts, there's just something that's keeping me from feeling comfortable about calling her town

    scarlet - vote on keeper d1 was really towny, has had some towny posts here-and-there and i do think the blade kill on n1 could point to her being a villager as well. lower in my POE just because of how easily fakeable most of her posts are

    phraze - i dont even know what to say about phraze

    grant - ive felt reluctant to push too hard here because phraze/kajot both arguably don't have much W/W equity with grant, and because happy thought that grant was trending up right before he died, but there's no denying that grant's posts today are kind of just ....egregiously bad. it seems like grant has given up, but if grant has given up, why did he even bother to make a self-pres vote on p#5970? it's weird that he has an interest in staying alive at all when he clearly doesn't want to be in this game regardless of his alignment, which is arguably a wolftell for him. i dont feel anywhere near as confident about grant flipping wolf as some of the players here do, but i think his posts are pretty objectively wolfy and i have very few qualms with him dying

    kajot - it's hard for me to shake the fact that happy and HK both felt very, very strongly about kajot being a wolf and both died last night. even if i disregard the reads of the dead players, i'm lacking in any real reasons to townread the kajot slot. ivy's posts were very tonally towny, but "tone" only goes so far on d3 of a big game like this, and i think that kajot's posts have felt pretty consistently like Fake Scumhunting. her progression and treatment of grant really rubs me the wrong way and it feels like something she's doing with strategic intent instead of out of a genuine desire to figure out his alignment. would resolve her sooner than later
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6328)
    can you name a single player that's saying that you and kajot must be W/W? and what's with the snarky attitude and passive aggressive comments when you've explicitly gone out of your way to avoid playing today?

    if you're not a wolf in anti-spew, then you should stop acting like one and start solving the game with the rest of us
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5648)
    gonna go for a bit but atm i think phraze looks the worst of the 3 in the consensus ~POE~
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6377)
    ##Vote Phraze
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6410)
    alright uve inspired me ##Vote Phraze
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6461)
    ##Vote Kajot

    good question and michelle are lock villagers gn


    I think yesterday I saw SPF's phraze/grant progression and thought it looked pretty bad. Today, in full, it doesn't look great at all TBH. All depends on how Kajot flips I guess.

    SPF frequently says that Phraze is the wolfiest, but then never reaaaaly says why. But she then finds a couple of Kajot posts and uses them to post before ducking out.

    I dunno, could be a world where SPF started bussing Phraze, then got worried because was going AFK, so popped on to Kajot.

    Again- it doesn't look good, especially in comparison to the very good looking Storm
    Question:
    Why does wolf!Phraze put wolf!SPF in the Gladiate?
    I dont think she does. I think SPF likely town. But maybe it's a 3d chess move to try and clear SPF for the rest of the game. Its a stupid move sure, but, just wanted to fo my due diligence
    If Storm had done all this I'd probably save spf but hes not
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    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed I dont think she does. I think SPF likely town....

    Quote Originally Posted by bladescape (#7876)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7874)
    OK so SPF D3 here:

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5509)
    i think that it's 100% safe to assume that there was a wolf on the keeper wagon at the EOD1, especially with blade's testimony in mind. the pool of doctor/alice/scarlet/logic/michelle/kajot 100% contains at least ~one wolf

    im also doubtful, based on blade's testimony, that the only wolf on the keeper wagon was the kajot slot. kajot's treatment of keeper can be described as "middling" at best, and kajot did not vote keeper until they were already outed, so in a world where keeper got bussed and is mad about it, there would need to be a wolf on their wagon other than kajot

    (also quickly noting here that i dont think that this points to kajot being a villager, and it actually might be the contrary, since any smart wolf would 100% have voted keeper after they had outed themselves)

    still not fully here but wanted to bring this up because i think it's a good place to start
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5574)
    i dont think phraze/kajot/grant contains the entire wolfteam but i do think it contains at least one
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5587)
    ##Vote Grant
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5588)
    fwiw the fact that happy/HK were both adamant about killing kajot as soon as possible is not lost on me, and there's a decent chance that i'll end today with a vote on that slot
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5591)
    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyNotAlice (#5237)
    Eh, Happy didn't really have any spicy $%#! outside of tinfoiling SPF, tbfh.

    PoE's roughly the same as mine. Only difference is that he thought that Grant somehow was improving.
    i know my vote is on grant rn, but happy thinking that grant was improving while scumreading phraze/kajot more actually pushes me away from wanting to kill grant today
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5615)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kajot (#4078)
    Grant has managed to seem kinda adorable with his early posting tbh. Opposed to seeing his play as not wanting to take a stance on the main wagons it's not giving a $%#! about how he's seen what isn't all that bad. Also like how he's explaining why him/me doesn't make sense as team even if it's more factually right than AI.
    lol yeah im leaning more and more on the kajot/grant slots just not being partnered

    so a world where people think that kajot/grant/phraze contains 2 wolves is a world where phraze is a wolf
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5644)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#4000)
    FOS Grant

    To keep the game going.

    Ping me if there's anything.
    is phraze known to relentlessly hardbus? she pushed on grant pretty early on and has continued to do so throughout the entirety of her ISO. im increasingly feeling like neither phraze/kajot have much W/W equity with grant
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6182)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kajot (#6055)
    I'm probably fine with a Grant elim too at this point. Gonna reread him more closely to EoD

    Gn
    i dont like that kajot is fine with a grant elimination, considering:

    1. phraze is clearly kajot's strongest scumread - kajot has gone out of her way to emphasize multiple times that she thinks that phraze is probably just a wolf - calling her "probably a wolf" on p#4940 and voting for her on p#5969

    2. kajot has emphasized multiple times that she thinks that grant/phraze are NOT partnered. she said that grant/phraze were not W/W on p#4331 and emphasized the same point again on p#6054

    so, if kajot feels strongly that phraze is a wolf, and she also feels strongly that phraze/grant are not W/W, why is she OK with chopping grant today? why isn't she making more of an effort to get her strongest scumread chopped?
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6232)
    blade (just gonna assume he got revived as a villager until im given a reason to believe otherwise)

    michelle - i maintain that the usage of her card was really villagery and contrary to how i think she would play it if she was a wolf (in addition to her posts being consistently solvey/containing a high depth of thought)

    good question - (have started to formulate some mild tinfoil about this slot but i think the most obvious answer is that he's just town)

    outlier (happy and HK both feeling very strongly about outlier being a villager makes me feel comfortable with this placement)

    doctorzeus - (consistently solvey, might be the player in this game with the highest level of WIM even when he was being pushed on by the entire thread, and i like that his observations have stayed equally as fervent even when the attention has gone away from him. might be a late-game tinfoil slot but atm i think he's just town)

    nanook (this placement is partially out of respect for happy having nanook as an IC and partially because there have been several points in this game where i have felt that nanook is outside of his wolfrange, even though his posts don't have as much "staying power" as some of the more villagery people in this game. the fact that nanook was off of the keeper wagon on d1 when i suspect that the deeper wolves would be ~On~ the keeper wagon could be a point in favor of him being town as well)

    logic - i do have concerns about him that have been increasingly growing, but it's hard to deny that the timing of his vote on keeper at the EOD1 was super towny and i dont think there's anything particularly ~wrong~ with his posts even though ive gotten pinged by him tonally a couple of times

    storm - i think he is genuinely rattled and irritated by his engagement with alice regardless of his alignment - i think the way that he tried to rally people onto alice on d1 and the way that he played his card yesterday were both really towny, but there are only so many times i can townread storm for alice-related reasons before it starts to have diminishing returns. another scenario where i think that storm's play this game comes from town far more often than not)

    alice - i have some mild concern about alice. she fits into the archetype of a wolf that tried to go deep by bussing keeper early on, and while i think she's had lots of energy and has made lots of "good" sounding posts, there's just something that's keeping me from feeling comfortable about calling her town

    scarlet - vote on keeper d1 was really towny, has had some towny posts here-and-there and i do think the blade kill on n1 could point to her being a villager as well. lower in my POE just because of how easily fakeable most of her posts are

    phraze - i dont even know what to say about phraze

    grant - ive felt reluctant to push too hard here because phraze/kajot both arguably don't have much W/W equity with grant, and because happy thought that grant was trending up right before he died, but there's no denying that grant's posts today are kind of just ....egregiously bad. it seems like grant has given up, but if grant has given up, why did he even bother to make a self-pres vote on p#5970? it's weird that he has an interest in staying alive at all when he clearly doesn't want to be in this game regardless of his alignment, which is arguably a wolftell for him. i dont feel anywhere near as confident about grant flipping wolf as some of the players here do, but i think his posts are pretty objectively wolfy and i have very few qualms with him dying

    kajot - it's hard for me to shake the fact that happy and HK both felt very, very strongly about kajot being a wolf and both died last night. even if i disregard the reads of the dead players, i'm lacking in any real reasons to townread the kajot slot. ivy's posts were very tonally towny, but "tone" only goes so far on d3 of a big game like this, and i think that kajot's posts have felt pretty consistently like Fake Scumhunting. her progression and treatment of grant really rubs me the wrong way and it feels like something she's doing with strategic intent instead of out of a genuine desire to figure out his alignment. would resolve her sooner than later
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6328)
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant (#6320)
    I'm guessing there's some kind of nonsense theory related to grant/kajot must be w/w therefore kill kajot first is smart.

    What happens if Kajot dies first? Regardless of flip, wolves know they've always got me as a mischop in their back pocket.

    but if Grant dies first, then the grant/kajot = w/w theory disappears in a puff of smoke.

    so i'm going to assume that there's nefarious purpose behind whomever is pushing Kajot to get so many votes. And thus I think she's highly like villager.

    Obviously you are going to think I'm just anti-spewing right now so whatever. Hopefully enough of you figure out to do the ABC play today.
    can you name a single player that's saying that you and kajot must be W/W? and what's with the snarky attitude and passive aggressive comments when you've explicitly gone out of your way to avoid playing today?

    if you're not a wolf in anti-spew, then you should stop acting like one and start solving the game with the rest of us
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5648)
    gonna go for a bit but atm i think phraze looks the worst of the 3 in the consensus ~POE~
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6377)
    ##Vote Phraze
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6410)
    alright uve inspired me ##Vote Phraze
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6461)
    ##Vote Kajot

    good question and michelle are lock villagers gn


    I think yesterday I saw SPF's phraze/grant progression and thought it looked pretty bad. Today, in full, it doesn't look great at all TBH. All depends on how Kajot flips I guess.

    SPF frequently says that Phraze is the wolfiest, but then never reaaaaly says why. But she then finds a couple of Kajot posts and uses them to post before ducking out.

    I dunno, could be a world where SPF started bussing Phraze, then got worried because was going AFK, so popped on to Kajot.

    Again- it doesn't look good, especially in comparison to the very good looking Storm
    Question:
    Why does wolf!Phraze put wolf!SPF in the Gladiate?
    I dont think she does. I think SPF likely town. But maybe it's a 3d chess move to try and clear SPF for the rest of the game. Its a stupid move sure, but, just wanted to fo my due diligence
  18. Day 4#7875

    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed Yes I know. I think your obviously fine

    Quote Originally Posted by bladescape (#7873)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7853)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7848)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7844)
    Living people votes summary

    N1
    people who voted keeper
    Me, Alice, Scarlet, logic, kajot

    people who voted flipped v
    Phraze, GQ, Blade

    people who voted me (I'm a villager)
    Nanook

    N2
    People who voted someone who HASNT flipped I.e. Nook
    Phraze, outlier

    (Everyone else voted flipped v, but as we all agree w/e)

    N3
    voted flipped v
    Nook, alice, storm, blade, scarlet, Outlier

    voted Phraze aka wolf
    Dz, Michelle (dead, including for effect), gq, kajot

    voted kajot aka unknown
    Phraze, logic, spf


    Will tally & analyse now
    Always voted for flipped villagers: Blade
    Never voted a flipped wolf, but may have (e.g. votes they made haven't flipped): Outlier, Nanook (voted me who's a villager, so Nanook hasn't ever voted a wolf)
    People who voted keeper & phraze: me, kajot
    People who've never voted on the lunch: phraze
    Phraze looks bad, Kajot looks good (to me at least in my Phraze tunnel), Outlier & Nanook not great, not bad.

    Blade gets a day pass.
    You realised the flipped v I voted is the same one I tried to flip before I died right?

    When it was confirmed I was town? =P
    Yes I know. I think your obviously fine
  19. Day 4#7874

    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed OK so SPF D3 here:

    OK so SPF D3 here:

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5509)
    i think that it's 100% safe to assume that there was a wolf on the keeper wagon at the EOD1, especially with blade's testimony in mind. the pool of doctor/alice/scarlet/logic/michelle/kajot 100% contains at least ~one wolf

    im also doubtful, based on blade's testimony, that the only wolf on the keeper wagon was the kajot slot. kajot's treatment of keeper can be described as "middling" at best, and kajot did not vote keeper until they were already outed, so in a world where keeper got bussed and is mad about it, there would need to be a wolf on their wagon other than kajot

    (also quickly noting here that i dont think that this points to kajot being a villager, and it actually might be the contrary, since any smart wolf would 100% have voted keeper after they had outed themselves)

    still not fully here but wanted to bring this up because i think it's a good place to start
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5574)
    i dont think phraze/kajot/grant contains the entire wolfteam but i do think it contains at least one
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5587)
    ##Vote Grant
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5588)
    fwiw the fact that happy/HK were both adamant about killing kajot as soon as possible is not lost on me, and there's a decent chance that i'll end today with a vote on that slot
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5591)
    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyNotAlice (#5237)
    Quote Originally Posted by Happy (#5016)
    I’m gonna try and summarize what I think on every slot

    ICs:
    Outlier-towniest $%#!er in the game
    Nook-ezplained earlier this his mindset today has been really towny, his lack of self preservation and focus on ensuring his legacy is followed above anything else is a very towny mindset

    Strong town:
    Michelle-I think Michelle is just threadspewed at this point. The fact she did something that potentially put 3 town in a fight against each other and still nobody sussed her means wolves have pretty much accepted she’s not worth pushing and will NK her eventually. Also the way she’s approached today feels like she believes that she’s a clear in her head and I get the impression she genuinely thinks she was expecting to die last night or very soon so she’s approaching the game the way I’d expect a “cleared” pr to approach it in the manner shes interrogating everyone.

    Hk:towny d1, his push on hollow feels like he believes is

    Zeus: might have to re-eval but I still think his d1 was super towny and the way he tried to solve my slot earlier felt pretty earnest

    Middle of the pack:

    Gq: his treatment of Michelle on d1 and defense of spf feels like his towngame. Has nuance to his reads that he normally doesn’t have as scum. Only thing that pinged me was when he voted me on d1 after I voted keeper.

    Logic: looks great is kajot is scum, looks not so great is kajot hydre nook are all town.

    Scarlett: blade kill looks good for her though I doubt scum team would make their nks based around just one player. P#4100 was good and her pinging everyone reminding them to vote is >rand town p#4252

    Hydreigon: claims to have a red check on grant but his play today doesn’t reflect that. He didn’t soft it or mention grant at all earlier today. If he’s town he needs to rescind this cop check before he dies but I think I’m always voting him over nook just bcus i tr nook a lot and I found it interesting when hydre started townrrading me the moment I claimed that I wanted to vig Michelle. He could still be town potentially but my vote has to be on the person I’m less sure of.

    Grant: I think his posting today has been better, that’s about it lol. Blade NK doesn’t look good for him but that’s a level 1 read. Grant feels so isolated to the rest of the lobby that I’m struggling to form a team of 3 around him and that’s probably the only reason I have for him being town. I did get burnt by this read in a recent game but usually it’s been like 80% accurate. He’s moreso in the wait and see category.

    Tinfoil category:

    Spf/alice/storm: spfs iso was better than expected. Alice has had towny moments. Storms outbursts were towny. But when it boils down to it I just have stronger reasons to tr the other slots. These are the slots I’d revisit if Kajot/phraze/hydre pool ends up having lots of villies. A bulk of my tr on storm and alice comes from their interactions on d1 feeling like tvt, but alice is someone who prides herself on partner interactions and storm is someone who apparently being emotional is nai for them. So I wouldn’t rule out their argument as being some kind of distancing act. Is it likely? Probably not, but I’d still say it’s a non 0 chance mostly because I feel like storm has dropped off in towniness since then and could fit the ball of a coasting mafia whose happy with the towncred they have from earlier.

    Srs:

    Phraze:explained already

    Kajot:ngl most of my read on this slot has to do with ivys d1 so ur in a sucky situation of where it’s gonna be hard to reverse my read there because the only person who can do that is ivy and she’s not here. I also found it weird when u came into the game but already had thoughts planned out and reads established. Most people coming into the game try and vibe a little first but you felt more informed than a fresh comer should be. You said it’s because you were following the game but I feel like between this and the champs finale if someone had to follow a game as a spec id imagine it would be that one?
    Eh, Happy didn't really have any spicy $%#! outside of tinfoiling SPF, tbfh.

    PoE's roughly the same as mine. Only difference is that he thought that Grant somehow was improving.
    i know my vote is on grant rn, but happy thinking that grant was improving while scumreading phraze/kajot more actually pushes me away from wanting to kill grant today
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5615)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kajot (#4078)
    Grant has managed to seem kinda adorable with his early posting tbh. Opposed to seeing his play as not wanting to take a stance on the main wagons it's not giving a $%#! about how he's seen what isn't all that bad. Also like how he's explaining why him/me doesn't make sense as team even if it's more factually right than AI.
    lol yeah im leaning more and more on the kajot/grant slots just not being partnered

    so a world where people think that kajot/grant/phraze contains 2 wolves is a world where phraze is a wolf
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5644)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#4000)
    FOS Grant

    To keep the game going.

    Ping me if there's anything.
    is phraze known to relentlessly hardbus? she pushed on grant pretty early on and has continued to do so throughout the entirety of her ISO. im increasingly feeling like neither phraze/kajot have much W/W equity with grant
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6182)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kajot (#6055)
    I'm probably fine with a Grant elim too at this point. Gonna reread him more closely to EoD

    Gn
    i dont like that kajot is fine with a grant elimination, considering:

    1. phraze is clearly kajot's strongest scumread - kajot has gone out of her way to emphasize multiple times that she thinks that phraze is probably just a wolf - calling her "probably a wolf" on p#4940 and voting for her on p#5969

    2. kajot has emphasized multiple times that she thinks that grant/phraze are NOT partnered. she said that grant/phraze were not W/W on p#4331 and emphasized the same point again on p#6054

    so, if kajot feels strongly that phraze is a wolf, and she also feels strongly that phraze/grant are not W/W, why is she OK with chopping grant today? why isn't she making more of an effort to get her strongest scumread chopped?
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6232)
    blade (just gonna assume he got revived as a villager until im given a reason to believe otherwise)

    michelle - i maintain that the usage of her card was really villagery and contrary to how i think she would play it if she was a wolf (in addition to her posts being consistently solvey/containing a high depth of thought)

    good question - (have started to formulate some mild tinfoil about this slot but i think the most obvious answer is that he's just town)

    outlier (happy and HK both feeling very strongly about outlier being a villager makes me feel comfortable with this placement)

    doctorzeus - (consistently solvey, might be the player in this game with the highest level of WIM even when he was being pushed on by the entire thread, and i like that his observations have stayed equally as fervent even when the attention has gone away from him. might be a late-game tinfoil slot but atm i think he's just town)

    nanook (this placement is partially out of respect for happy having nanook as an IC and partially because there have been several points in this game where i have felt that nanook is outside of his wolfrange, even though his posts don't have as much "staying power" as some of the more villagery people in this game. the fact that nanook was off of the keeper wagon on d1 when i suspect that the deeper wolves would be ~On~ the keeper wagon could be a point in favor of him being town as well)

    logic - i do have concerns about him that have been increasingly growing, but it's hard to deny that the timing of his vote on keeper at the EOD1 was super towny and i dont think there's anything particularly ~wrong~ with his posts even though ive gotten pinged by him tonally a couple of times

    storm - i think he is genuinely rattled and irritated by his engagement with alice regardless of his alignment - i think the way that he tried to rally people onto alice on d1 and the way that he played his card yesterday were both really towny, but there are only so many times i can townread storm for alice-related reasons before it starts to have diminishing returns. another scenario where i think that storm's play this game comes from town far more often than not)

    alice - i have some mild concern about alice. she fits into the archetype of a wolf that tried to go deep by bussing keeper early on, and while i think she's had lots of energy and has made lots of "good" sounding posts, there's just something that's keeping me from feeling comfortable about calling her town

    scarlet - vote on keeper d1 was really towny, has had some towny posts here-and-there and i do think the blade kill on n1 could point to her being a villager as well. lower in my POE just because of how easily fakeable most of her posts are

    phraze - i dont even know what to say about phraze

    grant - ive felt reluctant to push too hard here because phraze/kajot both arguably don't have much W/W equity with grant, and because happy thought that grant was trending up right before he died, but there's no denying that grant's posts today are kind of just ....egregiously bad. it seems like grant has given up, but if grant has given up, why did he even bother to make a self-pres vote on p#5970? it's weird that he has an interest in staying alive at all when he clearly doesn't want to be in this game regardless of his alignment, which is arguably a wolftell for him. i dont feel anywhere near as confident about grant flipping wolf as some of the players here do, but i think his posts are pretty objectively wolfy and i have very few qualms with him dying

    kajot - it's hard for me to shake the fact that happy and HK both felt very, very strongly about kajot being a wolf and both died last night. even if i disregard the reads of the dead players, i'm lacking in any real reasons to townread the kajot slot. ivy's posts were very tonally towny, but "tone" only goes so far on d3 of a big game like this, and i think that kajot's posts have felt pretty consistently like Fake Scumhunting. her progression and treatment of grant really rubs me the wrong way and it feels like something she's doing with strategic intent instead of out of a genuine desire to figure out his alignment. would resolve her sooner than later
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6328)
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant (#6320)
    I'm guessing there's some kind of nonsense theory related to grant/kajot must be w/w therefore kill kajot first is smart.

    What happens if Kajot dies first? Regardless of flip, wolves know they've always got me as a mischop in their back pocket.

    but if Grant dies first, then the grant/kajot = w/w theory disappears in a puff of smoke.

    so i'm going to assume that there's nefarious purpose behind whomever is pushing Kajot to get so many votes. And thus I think she's highly like villager.

    Obviously you are going to think I'm just anti-spewing right now so whatever. Hopefully enough of you figure out to do the ABC play today.
    can you name a single player that's saying that you and kajot must be W/W? and what's with the snarky attitude and passive aggressive comments when you've explicitly gone out of your way to avoid playing today?

    if you're not a wolf in anti-spew, then you should stop acting like one and start solving the game with the rest of us
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5648)
    gonna go for a bit but atm i think phraze looks the worst of the 3 in the consensus ~POE~
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6377)
    ##Vote Phraze
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6410)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#6405)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#3397)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ominoire (#3393)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#3390)
    Insaner seems to have a Bleach character.. Does this mean some of the 3p faction are fine for our wincon?
    It means triggered abilities don't clear people as Bleach-aligned. It's to be expected; it probably would be too easy if only Bleach characters could trigger abilities.
    I'm just figuring out if Bleach characters are considered Bleach-aligned. This would then mean that some of the 3p faction are on our side. Castlevania characters weren't. It's possible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#1439)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pilica (#966)
    Okay well then, Iiiiii gotta give a target soooo- I am listening to my gut. Let's see if I'll live XD

    Targetting: Jackofhearts2005 @Guillotina

    Okay, so Jack villa.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#2579)
    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#2440)
    ##Vote Dedenne
    Whatever I hate this slot more then Scyther
    That is my neighbor!
    ##Vote Venti
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#2572)
    ##Vote DkKoba
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#2825)
    Venti is still a wagon. Thought that would die down. Hmm.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#2839)
    Lock V:
    Jackofhearts2005

    3p:
    Insaner
    Good Question
    CRichard564

    3p should sheep Jack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#2840)
    ##Vote Cape90
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#2996)
    ##Vote DkKoba
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#3007)
    ##Vote Travis
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#3390)
    Phraze #656

    Dead:
    Pilica #578
    ThePretender
    LordArgon
    Floyd!Terminator!DkKoba - pending flip
    Hydreigon25 - ghost?


    Confirmed villa:
    Jackofhearts2005

    Activated something:
    stormslyde #277 #312
    Scyther #322
    Dedenne #255 (postnum shows #256 for some reason)
    Venti #2318

    3p:
    Insaner #2271
    CRichard564
    Good Question

    Everyone else:
    Dolby
    Ultra
    Biohaz
    Ominoire
    Gikkle!shellyc
    Silviu200530!tessepia
    Wesmaster160
    Garden Gnome
    TripleHaven
    Grant
    ignoramus
    Schweppes
    Luxy
    Cape90
    Lag
    Travis



    Insaner seems to have a Bleach character.. Does this mean some of the 3p faction are fine for our wincon?
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#3401)
    ##Vote ignoramus
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#4085)
    ##Vote Dolby
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#4086)
    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#4084)
    Quote Originally Posted by Cape90 (#4081)
    Interesting take, I found Biohaz pretty towny so care to point me to where Bio has been wolfing?
    I hated his reaction to my fake poem. Also Scyther never pushed this
    Oh, okay.

    ##Vote Biohaz
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#4410)
    Top wagons on both Days.
    Removing the dead players.
    Coloring those who showed up twice.

    D1 Final VC:
    ThePretender: Wesmaster160 (30), Cape90 (111), Dolby (20), Dedenne (137), CRichard564 (150)
    Scyther: Venti (58), Jackofhearts2005 (98), shellyc (28), TripleHaven (55)

    D2 Final VC:
    Grant: Cape90 (101), Ominoire (80), CRichard564 (43), Dolby (19)
    ignoramus: Biohaz (64), Phraze (43), TripleHaven (49), Garden Gnome (32), Lag (33)

    Both were W/W counterwagons. 4 showed up twice.. Could be cleared, or considered hardbusser: 1 of 4?
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#4415)
    I'd probably sort in Schweppes voters. shellyc probably villa, since I kinda remember their posting. Luxy or stormslyde.

    ##Vote Luxy
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#4727)
    ##Vote Dolby
    Quote Originally Posted by Phraze (#4853)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#4852)
    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#4851)
    Won’t be able to post for a bit. Will try to finish checking up on if Storm had tmi. More comfortable on GG then Dolby today.
    Let's just get Phraze to vig storm them since we should probably control their shots anyway.

    @Phraze what's your conditions so we can force Storm to meet them.
    Conditions are complicated. Not telling.

    MIght as well wagon Storm.

    ##Vote stormslyde


    BTW here is phrase's recent mash village game.

    Mashes are for sure different & there is more evidence/players to go about so I'm not going to read in this excessively- but- the difference in styles is chalk and cheese.

    Phrase votes willy nilly, and frequently, as jokes & real. Has a broad spectrum of reads, and, frequently tries to solve live conversation and looking back.

    This game is the opposite and I think Phraze is a wolf, or, town got really unlucky with her new play style
    alright uve inspired me ##Vote Phraze
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6461)
    ##Vote Kajot

    good question and michelle are lock villagers gn


    I think yesterday I saw SPF's phraze/grant progression and thought it looked pretty bad. Today, in full, it doesn't look great at all TBH. All depends on how Kajot flips I guess.

    SPF frequently says that Phraze is the wolfiest, but then never reaaaaly says why. But she then finds a couple of Kajot posts and uses them to post before ducking out.

    I dunno, could be a world where SPF started bussing Phraze, then got worried because was going AFK, so popped on to Kajot.

    Again- it doesn't look good, especially in comparison to the very good looking Storm
  20. Day 4#7871

    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

    by DoctorZeus
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    Completed Yo SPF whats up with this? Any followup? I can't...

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6297)
    if grant is a villager then i think alice's wolf equity increases
    Yo SPF whats up with this? Any followup? I can't remember seeing any.

    Intriguing post
  21. Day 4#7869

    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

    by DoctorZeus
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    Completed Outlier- here's SPF town reading Nannook btw

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#5590)
    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletCelestial (#5308)
    Ok I'm not actually here just waiting for pizza to be ordered.

    After reading EoD it was appropriately slow for one where Town dies no matter what, so chances are Nanook is Town.

    Will check over Happy and hollow tomorrow.
    fwiw i agree with this - im not 100% sold on nanook being a villager because my reasoning to townread him is more based on tone/energy than i would like, but i do think that the threadstate yesterday points to him being a villager. there was a pretty serious threat of nanook going over at multiple points yesterday, but the thread was dead for a lot of the day and i dont feel like anyone was coordinating any moves to ~save~ nanook or change the dynamics of the wagon. i can believe that the wolves didn't care about who was being wagoned yesterday because the outcome would be advantageous to them regardless
    Outlier- here's SPF town reading Nannook btw
  22. Day 4#7868

    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

    by DoctorZeus
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    Completed SPF on Keeper is below. my take: - There's an...

    SPF on Keeper is below.

    my take:
    - There's an argument that w!SPF defends Keeper at first, but, seeing a case against them, decides to jump on and bus because it'll give her v!cred. The thing is, SPF's not focused on this herself, and, generally, it feels more natural than forced
    - There's another argument that SPF tried to save Keeper by killing Scarlet, but, the Scarlet wagon never truly felt like it rivalled the Keeper one. If SPF really cared about saving Keeper she could have just jumped on me; she'd laid some groundwork

    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#433)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy (#411)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#388)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy (#211)
    Do you mind if I ask how good you are at being mafia, SPF? Do you think you would be able to replicate the depth of reasoning in your snap reads and explanations as a wolf?

    (Also I love your username, it's so sweet!)
    i'm good at being mafia, and i usually actually find it more fun than being town lol. my posts so far in this game are definitely within my wolfrange but i've towntold if u know what to look for
    We'll see! Do you have thoughts on stormslyde?
    not really. i liked him immediately calling keeper town cause i found keeper's energy kind of towny too, but the rest of his posts are Just Fine. will probably have a stronger read on him by the EOD
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1549)
    keeper's vote on zeus is p wolfy
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1563)
    Quote Originally Posted by NANOOKTHECONQUEROR (#1559)
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#1550)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1549)
    keeper's vote on zeus is p wolfy
    In a no context world, self-pres and OMGUS aren't wolfy.

    As it stands, it contributes my scumcase, yes.
    It was not self prez
    it sort of was, in the sense that keeper/zeus were split 2-2 at the time that keeper made their vote and put zeus at 3. i don't consider that to be a self-preservation vote by itself, because a number of other players had 2 votes as well, but the way that keeepr hopped on the zeus wagon bothered me because it didn't really feel like an authentic build-up of suspicion - more that they hopped on the zeus wagon because they were "supposed" to find him wolfy. i'll see if i can put it into better words once i have more time
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#1801)
    ##Vote The Keeper

    science
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#2008)
    Quote Originally Posted by Happy (#1995)
    And spf no I don’t really have a read on you

    I think zeus hk are IC levels town, outlier is most likely town

    Scum pool is ivy, probs one of the zeus voters probs not blade and hydreigon seems too lost and random to be a wolf so probably moreso in nook/Scarlett/keeper (?), don’t have any thoughts elsewhere expect maybe brad because his reason to vote me was demonstrably false and hasn’t replied since
    hmm okay, there's some common ground between our worldviews. i agree that hk and outlier are both prolly town. i've been leaning town on doctorzeus the longer the day has gone on (primarily because of how the thread has been treating him) but i'm not anywhere near as confident as you about that read

    i ~get~ the suspicion against ivy, but i don't really see it tbh. i think she's made a lot of pretty villagery posts today and i think that a player like her is a terrible d1 chop unless she's borderline openwolfing, which she is not

    scarlet/nanook/grant/keeper prolly has one wolf (or maybe two)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#2243)
    definitely town: (0 wolves)

    good question
    michelle

    town: (0-1 wolves)

    hollowkatt
    bladescape
    outlier

    i didn't sort the other players into tiers because i wanted to leave a townlist that i felt good about in the event that i died, but here are my quick thoughts on the remaining players:

    nanook: not a fan of the fact that his reasoning for pushing on doctorzeus is just a reiteration of blade's case - in a world where doctorzeus is a villager i think that's a pretty easy push for a wolf to hide behind, and none of nanook's other posts have made that much of an impression on me

    keeper - i really disliked the timing of their vote on doctorzeus. theyre at the lower end of my POE solely because any reason i can think to townread them here would amount to "tone"

    hydreigon - i mean, i think that hydreigon has been playing closer to his town meta than his wolf meta, but that read only goes so far when none of his posts have been solvey in the slightest. i know that hydreigon is capable of posting good content as a villager, and if he continues to struggle to do that, i would probably kill him

    totallynotalice - i thought that alice looked pretty villagery in her engagement with storm, but i'm lacking for reasons to townread her outside of that even though i've found a number of her posts "good"/agreeable. wouldn't chop today at any rate because alice is the type of player that becomes way more readable as the game goes on

    logic: logic seemed a bit tonally stiff to me, and i thought a couple of the reads he outed seemed overly vague/generic, but i looked at his ISO again and his posts are ~Fine~. i think he's null but that, in conjunction with hollwokatt feeling strongly about him being a villager, makes me not wanna vote him today

    doctorzeus: i feel like the way the thread has collectively treated doctorzeus's slot is more indicative of doctorzeus being a villager than his actual posts. that said, i actually like that he's been consistently putting in a lot of effort to solve/work with people even though he's been pushed on incessantly - i wouldn't kill him today and i'm leaning on him being a villager

    ivy: i thought that the way ivy reacted to being ~attacked~ for her reads earlier today was actually pretty towny, and i've liked the effort she's been putting into solving. that said, i do think there's a point to be made that she seems to be struggling to push on anyone with conviction, and the more i think about it, it does worry me that a player of her caliber (since she's clearly quite skilled regardless of whether or not she's an alt) parked her vote on a player that she believes is a villager. i still kind of think that ivy voting for someone she townreads is so brazen that it's villagery, but i understand the concern there. i wouldn't feel comfortable chopping ivy today and in my heart i still think she's more likely town than not

    scarlet: i think scarlet made a number of posts in the early game that were really wolfy, and none of her posts past that point made me feel any better about her. doesn't exactly feel like a slam dunk, but i would probably kill her

    phraze: leaning on her being town - she feels significantly more comfortable being in the thread than in both of the recent wolfgames i've seen from her

    gikkle: his turnaround on both hollowkatt and happy have been kind of towny even tho ive gotten pinged by him a few times. i dunno, higher end of my POE

    grant: no clue

    happy: happy is playing closer to his towngame then his wolfgame and i generally like his reads but im still waiting to see some certain stuff that i haven't seen yet

    storm: i thought that his push on alice was pretty towny - it was over the top and unnecessarily aggressive in a way that diminished a lot of the towncred he had collected prior to that point, and i don't really see the scum intent for behaving in that way unless he's doing crazy wolf theaer. one of my weaker townleans, but still a townlean
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#2429)
    im wavering a little bit on scarlet even though i still think she's wolfy, and if i was going to be here until the deadline i would use the time to explore counterwagons on players like grant/gikkle and se how the thread moves around them. keeper would also prolly be my second choice for a chop right now beyond scarlet, even tho i kinda dont think scarlet/keeper are both wolves

    gnight


    Its a v!day1 from me!
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    Completed If phraze flips wolf this post is probably why...

    If phraze flips wolf this post is probably why Storm was put in gladiator:

    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#6223)
    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#5616)
    hello. i feel pretty comfortable with the game state tbh

    bladescape, probs still town (worth considering if res can cause alignment change idk anything about a res card)

    DoctorZeus definetly town if kajot slot is mafia, probably town anyways

    Good Question obvious town

    Grant i dont have a strong opinion so probably just default scum

    Kajot heavily pushed by town flips, i havent isoed but if this slot is wolf theres a ton of spew to be had

    Logic likely town from d1 wagonomics and potential ivy/kajot spew

    Michelle has had towny moments individually, potentially spewed too. same d1 wagonomics as logic

    NANOOKTHECONQUEROR, no strong opinion. but others have been calling town so /shrug

    Outlier obv town

    Phraze scum?

    ScarletCelestial town?

    staypositivefriend obvs town but likeliest deepwolf imo

    stormslyde ldo town

    TotallyNotAlice reluctantly town
    ...Which looks bad for Phraze & pretty bad for SPF.

    Its not even for me to vote SPF but its something
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    Completed its odd. Its taken me a few reads to understand...

    Quote Originally Posted by Outlier (#7862)





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    Originally Posted by NANOOKTHECONQUEROR

    on October 15, 2021, 10:52:08 AM
    (#7812)


    Eh, no amount of activity over zero is impossible to townread really

    We're reaching the same conclusion that logic is mafia but the ways you're getting there are pretty awful sometimes
    its odd. Its taken me a few reads to understand what he's getting at
  25. Day 4#7861

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    Completed Assuming phraze is a wolf, and will get bussed to...

    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletCelestial (#7859)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7845)
    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletCelestial (#7843)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7842)
    Exactly. And we can work through it as well- there are things which can save players as we go through too
    True, and considering the game length the chances of the last scum being able to maintain a facade is slim unless they're really deep - but if we do reach that point it would be fairly obvious that there has to be top tier scum involved anyways.

    At which point do you think the tinfoiling should become relevant again?
    On the first point....I hope so. I've literally forgotten why I've cleared lots of people!!

    On the second- if phraze flips v I go straight back to tinfoil. If not, I think it all depends on who gets nk'd & where people vote
    At this stage I think it's a dangerous assumption that where people vote is clearing, at least for tomorrow with Phraze. Furthermore, considering the high PoE status of Logic votes on them may be considered unreliable too.
    Assuming phraze is a wolf, and will get bussed to high heaven, then sure- but after that- wolves will have a harder time justifying a bus game theory wise
  26. Day 4#7858

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    Completed No :( I kinda gave him a pass the way d2 went but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Outlier (#7856)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7853)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7848)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7844)
    Living people votes summary

    N1
    people who voted keeper
    Me, Alice, Scarlet, logic, kajot

    people who voted flipped v
    Phraze, GQ, Blade

    people who voted me (I'm a villager)
    Nanook

    N2
    People who voted someone who HASNT flipped I.e. Nook
    Phraze, outlier

    (Everyone else voted flipped v, but as we all agree w/e)

    N3
    voted flipped v
    Nook, alice, storm, blade, scarlet, Outlier

    voted Phraze aka wolf
    Dz, Michelle (dead, including for effect), gq, kajot

    voted kajot aka unknown
    Phraze, logic, spf


    Will tally & analyse now
    Always voted for flipped villagers: Blade
    Never voted a flipped wolf, but may have (e.g. votes they made haven't flipped): Outlier, Nanook (voted me who's a villager, so Nanook hasn't ever voted a wolf)
    People who voted keeper & phraze: me, kajot
    People who've never voted on the lunch: phraze
    Phraze looks bad, Kajot looks good (to me at least in my Phraze tunnel), Outlier & Nanook not great, not bad.

    Blade gets a day pass.
    Do you remember which all town reads Nook? I think hk did ans died. Blade waffled at one poi t. Michelle sussed him.

    Happy I. Don't remember
    No I kinda gave him a pass the way d2 went but will revisit
  27. Day 4#7857

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    Completed And if you guys assume I am too, then you must...

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7854)
    Quote Originally Posted by Outlier (#7852)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7851)
    Quote Originally Posted by Outlier (#7849)
    Ty DZ

    Do you recall why Nook droppdf his sus on you? Was it just the keeper flip?
    D2 no one could vote me. He's been relatively consistently suspicious of me- still thinks the "perspective slip" 800 posts ago is enough to think im a wolf (I need to post less, but, bedridden, so why not)
    But he stayed tunnel on Grant d3 iirc. He didn't push you much at all.
    This is true.

    I could push Nanook up to Logic levels of suss. I know he's only ever voted to kill villagers.
    And if you guys assume I am too, then you must believe he's never voted a wolf too
  28. Day 4#7854

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    Completed This is true. I could push Nanook up to Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Outlier (#7852)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7851)
    Quote Originally Posted by Outlier (#7849)
    Ty DZ

    Do you recall why Nook droppdf his sus on you? Was it just the keeper flip?
    D2 no one could vote me. He's been relatively consistently suspicious of me- still thinks the "perspective slip" 800 posts ago is enough to think im a wolf (I need to post less, but, bedridden, so why not)
    But he stayed tunnel on Grant d3 iirc. He didn't push you much at all.
    This is true.

    I could push Nanook up to Logic levels of suss. I know he's only ever voted to kill villagers.
  29. Day 4#7853

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    Completed Phraze looks bad, Kajot looks good (to me at...

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7848)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7844)
    Living people votes summary

    N1
    people who voted keeper
    Me, Alice, Scarlet, logic, kajot

    people who voted flipped v
    Phraze, GQ, Blade

    people who voted me (I'm a villager)
    Nanook

    N2
    People who voted someone who HASNT flipped I.e. Nook
    Phraze, outlier

    (Everyone else voted flipped v, but as we all agree w/e)

    N3
    voted flipped v
    Nook, alice, storm, blade, scarlet, Outlier

    voted Phraze aka wolf
    Dz, Michelle (dead, including for effect), gq, kajot

    voted kajot aka unknown
    Phraze, logic, spf


    Will tally & analyse now
    Always voted for flipped villagers: Blade
    Never voted a flipped wolf, but may have (e.g. votes they made haven't flipped): Outlier, Nanook (voted me who's a villager, so Nanook hasn't ever voted a wolf)
    People who voted keeper & phraze: me, kajot
    People who've never voted on the lunch: phraze
    Phraze looks bad, Kajot looks good (to me at least in my Phraze tunnel), Outlier & Nanook not great, not bad.

    Blade gets a day pass.
  30. Day 4#7851

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    Completed D2 no one could vote me. He's been relatively...

    Quote Originally Posted by Outlier (#7849)
    Ty DZ

    Do you recall why Nook droppdf his sus on you? Was it just the keeper flip?
    D2 no one could vote me. He's been relatively consistently suspicious of me- still thinks the "perspective slip" 800 posts ago is enough to think im a wolf (I need to post less, but, bedridden, so why not)
  31. Day 4#7850

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    Completed My posts on peoples reads are 7462, 7465

    My posts on peoples reads are 7462, 7465
  32. Day 4#7848

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    Completed Always voted for flipped villagers: Blade Never...

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7844)
    Living people votes summary

    N1
    people who voted keeper
    Me, Alice, Scarlet, logic, kajot

    people who voted flipped v
    Phraze, GQ, Blade

    people who voted me (I'm a villager)
    Nanook

    N2
    People who voted someone who HASNT flipped I.e. Nook
    Phraze, outlier

    (Everyone else voted flipped v, but as we all agree w/e)

    N3
    voted flipped v
    Nook, alice, storm, blade, scarlet, Outlier

    voted Phraze aka wolf
    Dz, Michelle (dead, including for effect), gq, kajot

    voted kajot aka unknown
    Phraze, logic, spf


    Will tally & analyse now
    Always voted for flipped villagers: Blade
    Never voted a flipped wolf, but may have (e.g. votes they made haven't flipped): Outlier, Nanook (voted me who's a villager, so Nanook hasn't ever voted a wolf)
    People who voted keeper & phraze: me, kajot
    People who've never voted on the lunch: phraze
  33. Day 4#7846

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    Completed Worth saying, if your not included in N1 you...

    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7844)
    Living people votes summary

    N1
    people who voted keeper
    Me, Alice, Scarlet, logic, kajot

    people who voted flipped v
    Phraze, GQ, Blade

    people who voted me (I'm a villager)
    Nanook

    N2
    People who voted someone who HASNT flipped I.e. Nook
    Phraze, outlier

    (Everyone else voted flipped v, but as we all agree w/e)

    N3
    voted flipped v
    Nook, alice, storm, blade, scarlet, Outlier

    voted Phraze aka wolf
    Dz, Michelle (dead, including for effect), gq, kajot

    voted kajot aka unknown
    Phraze, logic, spf


    Will tally & analyse now

    Worth saying, if your not included in N1 you voted someone who hasn't flipped
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    Completed On the first point....I hope so. I've literally...

    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletCelestial (#7843)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7842)
    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletCelestial (#7841)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7838)
    My lunch list is:
    - phraze 1st
    - Logic strong 2nd, but open to ideas
    - poe of kajot, nook, scarlet
    - tinfoil on spf, Alice
    There are not enough Day phases to kill that full PoE, even if there's multiple hits early on. Good news is that someone in that PoE will probably need to be killed by scum at somepoint if I have my Night maths right.
    Exactly. And we can work through it as well- there are things which can save players as we go through too
    True, and considering the game length the chances of the last scum being able to maintain a facade is slim unless they're really deep - but if we do reach that point it would be fairly obvious that there has to be top tier scum involved anyways.

    At which point do you think the tinfoiling should become relevant again?
    On the first point....I hope so. I've literally forgotten why I've cleared lots of people!!

    On the second- if phraze flips v I go straight back to tinfoil. If not, I think it all depends on who gets nk'd & where people vote
  35. Day 4#7844

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    Completed Living people votes summary N1 people who...

    Living people votes summary

    N1
    people who voted keeper
    Me, Alice, Scarlet, logic, kajot

    people who voted flipped v
    Phraze, GQ, Blade

    people who voted me (I'm a villager)
    Nanook

    N2
    People who voted someone who HASNT flipped I.e. Nook
    Phraze, outlier

    (Everyone else voted flipped v, but as we all agree w/e)

    N3
    voted flipped v
    Nook, alice, storm, blade, scarlet, Outlier

    voted Phraze aka wolf
    Dz, Michelle (dead, including for effect), gq, kajot

    voted kajot aka unknown
    Phraze, logic, spf


    Will tally & analyse now
  36. Day 4#7842

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    Completed Exactly. And we can work through it as well-...

    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletCelestial (#7841)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7838)
    My lunch list is:
    - phraze 1st
    - Logic strong 2nd, but open to ideas
    - poe of kajot, nook, scarlet
    - tinfoil on spf, Alice
    There are not enough Day phases to kill that full PoE, even if there's multiple hits early on. Good news is that someone in that PoE will probably need to be killed by scum at somepoint if I have my Night maths right.
    Exactly. And we can work through it as well- there are things which can save players as we go through too
  37. Day 4#7840

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    Completed My personal one or the one of people's reads?

    Quote Originally Posted by Outlier (#7839)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7838)
    My lunch list is:
    - phraze 1st
    - Logic strong 2nd, but open to ideas
    - poe of kajot, nook, scarlet
    - tinfoil on spf, Alice
    Hey do you have your reads list post bookmarked? mind linking it? Im terrible i know
    My personal one or the one of people's reads?
  38. Day 4#7838

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    Completed My lunch list is: - phraze 1st - Logic strong...

    My lunch list is:
    - phraze 1st
    - Logic strong 2nd, but open to ideas
    - poe of kajot, nook, scarlet
    - tinfoil on spf, Alice
  39. Day 4#7836

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    Completed :cryariver:

  40. Day 4#7804

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    Completed I didnt see it- might have missed it

    Quote Originally Posted by Outlier (#7803)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorZeus (#7800)
    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyNotAlice (#6836)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6830)
    the reality is that if it wasn't for the gladiate, me or storm would have never been the chop today. the gladiate forced the village into a sub-optimal position and ruined another dayphase, and it strikes me as wolfy that you seem totally OK with that instead of rightfully acknowledging how objectively harmful the gladiate is to town, even in a world where me/storm are W/W

    also the bigger issue is probably just that you have me in your POE in the first place. i dont really believe that you would authentically scumread me as a villager
    It's less of a scumread and more a case of everyone else is extremely villagery and/or has clearing interactions.

    Only way that you've villaging FMPoV is if Scarlet is wolfing or if I miscleared Nanook.
    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyNotAlice (#6847)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6839)
    but you said you had a ~secret scumread~ on me like a page ago

    if your ~secret scumread~ is just: "i find everyone else townier", then i think that's an excuse you're making as a wolf because you know that there's no logical reasons to push on me

    i might be being a little uncharitable toward your read on me, but everything youve said about my alignment today feels fake
    Okay, sure, I'll out it.

    I've been noticing patterns irt the NK and BK between you and me in Another Cop/Vig 13'er.

    BK has basically been a consensus TR this match and he's been hard-shielding you non-stop and is still alive while the people who have been tinfoiling you ala Michelle, Ender, HK, and Illario have all been dying.

    I did the same $%#! that game where I was wolfing and decided to keep him alive while killing everyone else who was tinfoiling me and if you're a wolf then I'm pretty sure that you'd do the exact same thing.

    It's NKA which is a WIFOM-laden minefield, but it still is a red flag that BK's still alive despite him hard-shielding you while every other member of the towncore who has been tinfoiling you has died.
    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyNotAlice (#6913)
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#6911)
    Because it was voting for blade. The fact that you didn't immediately say "this is outing" and instead said "well who are the wolves" is highly suspect.
    I call BS on this, tbfh.

    I'm seeing votes on blade just like votes on Illario d2 where you really don't have any strong feelings for either lynch and think all 3 are villaging.
    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyNotAlice (#6959)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kajot (#6957)
    Just from memory Nook looks good if Phraze w, so I think it would be within storm, SPF and you? Storm and SPF being put in this Duell doesn't really make any sense tbh. SPF probs not in that team tbh cuz then all maf would have been on my wagon yesterday and I dont think that's likely although nothing to bank a game on. Logic I don't remember any associations rn
    I don't think that's clearing for SPF as I've seen games where the entire wolfteam just jumps on a player at once.

    Tho I don't think Storm/Phraze are likely W/W as well since Phraze took a weird interest in Storm d1, tbfh.
    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyNotAlice (#6966)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kajot (#6965)




    Well, I remember one thing. Happy jumped in and thought SPF was possibly chainsawing Logic
    I'll need to check how SPF treated Logic again, tbfh.

    I don't think she really went deep into that suspicion enough to rule out this pairing.
    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyNotAlice (#7008)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6999)
    also, i'm still in my wolfrange. i could probably make all of the posts that i've made this game as a wolf. but i reject the notion that somebody has to be outside of their wolfrange to be obviously town - if townyness was measured solely by: "is this person outside of their wolfrange?", then stronger players would be POE'd and pushed on in literally every game of mafia ever
    And yeah, this is kind of why I'm paranoid of your slot as while you're still not locktown the NKs, as in Illario/Michelle/HK to a lesser extent, were all of people who were tinfoiling or not sure of you while the person who's obvtown but has you as their strongest TR is still alive.

    NKAs are a crapshoot, but this has been a consistent pattern that I can't really ignore.
    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyNotAlice (#7071)
    Quote Originally Posted by Good Question (#7070)
    Yes and yes. The comparison between the first and this gladiate is night and day. This one literally has a confirmed villager in it.

    either a wolf did this gladiate and me/storm/blade are town or a villager did this gladiate and wasted an entire dayphase for no reason

    it sucks either way

    (there's always the possibility of a wolf in storm/blade choosing to put themselves in the gladiate, but there's no reason to believe that it's the case and it's far more convoluted than any of the other explanations)

    Blade can't use his cards after dying already, which makes sense, so no way that happens.

    SC, Phraze, Alice, Nanook (?) at this rate would have cards getting them from DM3.

    I can't remember who else has cards that hasn't claimed them yet.
    I'm out here as well since Storm claimed to have removed all of my cards.

    SC I think has a mech reasoning why she couldn't have gladiated, so I think the only ones who could've done it were Phraze or Nanook.


    This seems to contain the case on spf. I'm a bit meh on it
    So TNA did not actually check how SPF treats logic?
    I didnt see it- might have missed it
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    Completed This seems to contain the case on spf. I'm a bit...

    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyNotAlice (#6836)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6830)
    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyNotAlice (#6821)
    Quote Originally Posted by staypositivefriend (#6817)
    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyNotAlice (#6812)
    Then who are Kajot's wolfbuds if we're both villagers?

    Logic's been hard-pushing on her non-stop, I guess Scarlet could make sense, and Phraze/Kajot don't seem to have that W/W interactions.
    oops i quoted the wrong post, i meant to quote this post:

    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyNotAlice (#6738)
    I forgot to bring cards and even if you don't believe that, I got ditched.

    It looks like a villager gladiate as SPF/Storm aren't exactly sub-optimal lynch targets, but $%#!ing hell...
    i think this post is wolfy because the perspective is all off. an entire dayphase of this game has just been ruined for a SECOND time, and instead of feeling rightfully irritated at whoever did it, you just describe me and storm as "not the worst targets" when im obviously town and when youve barely been pushing on storm throughout the last couple of days
    I've had you and Storm both in my PoE.

    Michelle's gladiate was absolute $%#! as I strongly TR'd Illario and Hydreigon, correctly may I add, and I was also townleaning Nanook which became a full-out townread between mid to end d2.
    the reality is that if it wasn't for the gladiate, me or storm would have never been the chop today. the gladiate forced the village into a sub-optimal position and ruined another dayphase, and it strikes me as wolfy that you seem totally OK with that instead of rightfully acknowledging how objectively harmful the gladiate is to town, even in a world where me/storm are W/W

    also the bigger issue is probably just that you have me in your POE in the first place. i dont really believe that you would authentically scumread me as a villager
    It's less of a scumread and more a case of everyone else is extremely villagery and/or has clearing interactions.

    Only way that you've villaging FMPoV is if Scarlet is wolfing or if I miscleared Nanook.
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    I've had you and Storm both in my PoE.

    Michelle's gladiate was absolute $%#! as I strongly TR'd Illario and Hydreigon, correctly may I add, and I was also townleaning Nanook which became a full-out townread between mid to end d2.
    the reality is that if it wasn't for the gladiate, me or storm would have never been the chop today. the gladiate forced the village into a sub-optimal position and ruined another dayphase, and it strikes me as wolfy that you seem totally OK with that instead of rightfully acknowledging how objectively harmful the gladiate is to town, even in a world where me/storm are W/W

    also the bigger issue is probably just that you have me in your POE in the first place. i dont really believe that you would authentically scumread me as a villager
    It's less of a scumread and more a case of everyone else is extremely villagery and/or has clearing interactions.

    Only way that you've villaging FMPoV is if Scarlet is wolfing or if I miscleared Nanook.
    but you said you had a ~secret scumread~ on me like a page ago

    if your ~secret scumread~ is just: "i find everyone else townier", then i think that's an excuse you're making as a wolf because you know that there's no logical reasons to push on me

    i might be being a little uncharitable toward your read on me, but everything youve said about my alignment today feels fake
    Okay, sure, I'll out it.

    I've been noticing patterns irt the NK and BK between you and me in Another Cop/Vig 13'er.

    BK has basically been a consensus TR this match and he's been hard-shielding you non-stop and is still alive while the people who have been tinfoiling you ala Michelle, Ender, HK, and Illario have all been dying.

    I did the same $%#! that game where I was wolfing and decided to keep him alive while killing everyone else who was tinfoiling me and if you're a wolf then I'm pretty sure that you'd do the exact same thing.

    It's NKA which is a WIFOM-laden minefield, but it still is a red flag that BK's still alive despite him hard-shielding you while every other member of the towncore who has been tinfoiling you has died.
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    What about me/SPF?
    I was hoping my vote for blade would cause more reactions. The fact that you completely ignored it has me more inclined to say you

    But my two dumb tinfoils are blade was resurrected on the mafia team (it's why I said it was the dumber tinfoil)
    And the SPF tinfoil I've been nursing throughout game, and I've been convinced to backmeter it many times.
    Why do you think the vote would cause reactions?
    Because it was voting for blade. The fact that you didn't immediately say "this is outing" and instead said "well who are the wolves" is highly suspect.
    I call BS on this, tbfh.

    I'm seeing votes on blade just like votes on Illario d2 where you really don't have any strong feelings for either lynch and think all 3 are villaging.
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    I think we should still kill Phraze. Usually don't like going the same route again as we got some info for later but I am pretty sure already that the wagon is all town.

    Kinda opposed to that I liked Scarlet's EoD saying that for the Grant wagon. Don't think it's right but she's making her look the worst immediately and as wolf I she'd be more aware about the look of it. I also feel like if she was a wolf together with Phraze, Phraze would put her vote on Grant first

    Also, I read Sod thing, just putting my thoughts about EoD before I forget again xd
    In a Logic/Phraze world, who's the third wolf?
    Just from memory Nook looks good if Phraze w, so I think it would be within storm, SPF and you? Storm and SPF being put in this Duell doesn't really make any sense tbh. SPF probs not in that team tbh cuz then all maf would have been on my wagon yesterday and I dont think that's likely although nothing to bank a game on. Logic I don't remember any associations rn
    I don't think that's clearing for SPF as I've seen games where the entire wolfteam just jumps on a player at once.

    Tho I don't think Storm/Phraze are likely W/W as well since Phraze took a weird interest in Storm d1, tbfh.
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    In a Logic/Phraze world, who's the third wolf?
    Just from memory Nook looks good if Phraze w, so I think it would be within storm, SPF and you? Storm and SPF being put in this Duell doesn't really make any sense tbh. SPF probs not in that team tbh cuz then all maf would have been on my wagon yesterday and I dont think that's likely although nothing to bank a game on. Logic I don't remember any associations rn
    I don't think that's clearing for SPF as I've seen games where the entire wolfteam just jumps on a player at once.

    Tho I don't think Storm/Phraze are likely W/W as well since Phraze took a weird interest in Storm d1, tbfh.


    Well, I remember one thing. Happy jumped in and thought SPF was possibly chainsawing Logic
    I'll need to check how SPF treated Logic again, tbfh.

    I don't think she really went deep into that suspicion enough to rule out this pairing.
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    @staypositivefriend

    Consider this to be something like the jailkeep in Venom&Guns

    I'm planning on voting closer to EoD and if you can produce an accurate solve then I'll vote storm, meanwhile consider my vote on you as I kinda think that Phraze has far more wolf equity than him and he does have good interactions with Keeper.
    if your vote lands on me at the EOD, then it should be considered a wolfclaim. i'm just as clearly town as i was in Venom & Guns, except this time the mechanics don't point to me being a wolf at all
    If you're an obvious villager then at least point out how you're out of your wolfrange?
    also, i'm still in my wolfrange. i could probably make all of the posts that i've made this game as a wolf. but i reject the notion that somebody has to be outside of their wolfrange to be obviously town - if townyness was measured solely by: "is this person outside of their wolfrange?", then stronger players would be POE'd and pushed on in literally every game of mafia ever
    And yeah, this is kind of why I'm paranoid of your slot as while you're still not locktown the NKs, as in Illario/Michelle/HK to a lesser extent, were all of people who were tinfoiling or not sure of you while the person who's obvtown but has you as their strongest TR is still alive.

    NKAs are a crapshoot, but this has been a consistent pattern that I can't really ignore.
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    btw if no one claims the gladiate then it's safe to assume that the gladiate came from scum - which should spew me as a villager 100% of the time, because i would never put myself in danger of dying for literally no reason as a wolf
    the unfortunate thing is that this same reasoning points to storm/blade both being villagers as well
    Yes and yes. The comparison between the first and this gladiate is night and day. This one literally has a confirmed villager in it.

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    either a wolf did this gladiate and me/storm/blade are town or a villager did this gladiate and wasted an entire dayphase for no reason

    it sucks either way

    (there's always the possibility of a wolf in storm/blade choosing to put themselves in the gladiate, but there's no reason to believe that it's the case and it's far more convoluted than any of the other explanations)
    Blade can't use his cards after dying already, which makes sense, so no way that happens.

    SC, Phraze, Alice, Nanook (?) at this rate would have cards getting them from DM3.

    I can't remember who else has cards that hasn't claimed them yet.
    I'm out here as well since Storm claimed to have removed all of my cards.

    SC I think has a mech reasoning why she couldn't have gladiated, so I think the only ones who could've done it were Phraze or Nanook.


    This seems to contain the case on spf. I'm a bit meh on it
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    Completed It's easier when we're both here to just say it...

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    all im gonna say before i sign off is mafia obviously want me to be the kill or they never make this gladiate. so why would you kill me?
    Do you have cards?

    Who was your poe yesterday?
    its really not that hard to read through my posts when im low posting like this. ive given reads and postions every single day
    It's easier when we're both here to just say it though.

    Having gone through every dead players reads to see why they died yesterday its NOT a quick activity to find people's reads
  43. Day 4#7793

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    Completed So I don't see why they wanna kill you then.

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    Do you have cards?

    Who was your poe yesterday?
    its really not that hard to read through my posts when im low posting like this. ive given reads and postions every single day
    Legacy read then, and I gotta get ready for work here soon so no, Im not ISOing you.
    phraze outtd, worth looking into her being with spf. not sold on that but shouldnt clear spf

    kajot then i had grant yesterday so i dont have a third rn
    So I don't see why they wanna kill you then.
  44. Day 4#7788

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    Completed Someone, alice I think, did loads of work this...

    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#7781)
    man do you know how much iso work id have to do to push spf phraze? i dont even believe it yet. but spf is the deepwolf if there is one. but phraze is just outted. dont clear spf for the gladiate. i was always setup to die here so spf was safe
    Someone, alice I think, did loads of work this time yesterday on spf. I will find psits
  45. Day 4#7787

    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed Whut Spf can die today

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    Has your read on Logic changed?
    Nope. I've started reading his ISO again yesterday but got distracted. Gonna read backwards next time
    If you are town, who are the wolves.

    say by gut whatever.
    Phraze Logic SPF
    Don't care about convincing anyone rn though
    Whut

    Spf can die today
  46. Day 4#7786

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    Completed Do you have cards? Who was your poe yesterday?

    Quote Originally Posted by stormslyde (#7776)
    all im gonna say before i sign off is mafia obviously want me to be the kill or they never make this gladiate. so why would you kill me?
    Do you have cards?

    Who was your poe yesterday?
  47. Day 4#7723

    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed A) because phraze was pushing it to get people...

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    ##Vote bladescape

    Don't want you dead bud don't want forced maj
    why dont we want a forced maj again?
    A) because phraze was pushing it to get people killed who were afk.
    B) non voters might die for not voting
    C) people are doing work on the game
  48. Day 4#7719

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    Completed bladescape Don't want you dead bud don't want...

    ##Vote bladescape

    Don't want you dead bud don't want forced maj
  49. Day 4#7704

    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed Especially when used twice in a game. Saps the...

    Quote Originally Posted by TotallyNotAlice (#7701)
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    I don't even care who dies at this rate, just get people voting so that no extra people die and hit majority to move on from this day.

    Like I stopped caring about this game and I'm only posting because I put so much work into this game only to have it thrown away by this BS.
    Yh, I feel like the card needs to automatically include the gladiator in the cross as rn it's way too strong as a tool to wolfside.

    There would still be the problem of coinflip obv villas like Michelle using it, but rn it's way too strong as a wolf card.
    Especially when used twice in a game.

    Saps the fun
  50. Day 4#7700

    Thread: Deck Mafia #004 (Town Wins)

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    Completed stormslyde Keeping votes even

    ##Vote stormslyde

    Keeping votes even
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