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  1. #15

    Thread: Cookrus

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    Walrus /in And alts maybe I might have random...

    /in

    And alts maybe

    I might have random family members in as well because prettt much everyone in my family loves cooking
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    List looks sick tbh

    List looks sick tbh
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    Thread: MU Jukebox Sessions

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    i aded you to 2/5- 2/11 as you asked in discord ...

    Quote Originally Posted by LordQuas (#34)
    i posted in discord but i think its pretty fine to do something each week. that already seems sparse enough that i wouldnt worry about ppl losing interest

    if there's one thing that i wouldnt worry about ppl losing interest in on MU its music
    i aded you to 2/5- 2/11 as you asked in discord


    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#35)
    3/19-3/25 for me

    Still debating if I should do Indian music I grew up on or onion songs
    thatll be 3 weeks in a row and its kinda suboptimal, preeeeeeeeferably another date if you can but otherwise i guess ts fine. added it in calendar for now
  4. #33

    Thread: MU Jukebox Sessions

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    Yeah, maybe that wasnt clear sorry, i was going...

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (#32)
    Quote Originally Posted by roro__b (#31)
    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (#30)
    I'd like to do Jan 29th to Feb 4th
    Hype! It's yours - since it's next week it's good if you reserve a date asap (and maybe announce it in discord music channel) so we can let people know
    oh only one date? I thought it was doing a little each night? heh
    Yeah, maybe that wasnt clear sorry, i was going to write week number instead but americans apparently dont use them

    Itll prolly conflict with other walrus reveals etc otherwise
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    Hype! It's yours - since it's next week it's good...

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (#30)
    I'd like to do Jan 29th to Feb 4th
    Hype! It's yours - since it's next week it's good if you reserve a date asap (and maybe announce it in discord music channel) so we can let people know
  6. #29

    Thread: MU Jukebox Sessions

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    added! added!

    Quote Originally Posted by marmot (#27)
    @roro__b can I claim the week of (3/26-4/1) plz?


    This idea sounds so cool, thanks for coordinating it!!
    added!

    Quote Originally Posted by Egix96 (#28)
    Okay I should prob do this before it's too late.

    I would like to have May 7 to 13 please.
    added!
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    Completed FLAVOR, FINAL PART And, here's the final...

    FLAVOR, FINAL PART


    And, here's the final part, where things took a fairly unexpected turn, after everything that had happened.








    And, surprisingly - after a lot of work - Dobby did in fact get a story!






    The greed led Dobby to hoping for more, and he tried again. It would be fun to have everyone included tbh.







    AND

    AS

    PROMISED

    WE

    FINALLY

    GOT

    OUR

    AMROCK-GENERATED

    STORY!








    Thanks for following the dobby-getting-trolled-by-a-bot series all the way to this "happy" ending tbh.
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    Completed NIGHT 4 FLAVOR Amrock just keeps doing Amrock...

    NIGHT 4 FLAVOR

    Amrock just keeps doing Amrock things. Dobby starting to get annoyed. (basically anni host-chat all over again)





    And, a (kinda expected) turn of events.




    Okay, joke's over tbh, maybe we can get our story now?










    And yeah. There are a few more of those. What can I say... Dobby fell for his $%#! again, thinking the bot/Amrock could actually be reasoned with.



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    Completed NIGHT 3 FLAVOR ...

    NIGHT 3 FLAVOR




    Okay, new attempt.


    New approach not working either.

    TL: DR





    Okay, cool, let's try this again as well.





    And, yeah, we just got more of the same.






    At this point, it had probably come to a stage where the effort put into getting Amrock to do the job for Dobby, had taken more effort than for Dobby to just do it himself, but... He was too committed at this point to leave it. Also, there seemed to be some kind of progress after all. ish.


    So yeah, even more of the same...



    And even more...






    And more.





    And then some!

    At this point, there were only two alternative explanations that could make sense to Dobby. The first one was that there were big technical difficulties because of the size of the story. Amrock did say it had around 10'000 words, and posting it maybe broke Amrock repeatedly or something... and that he was trying to find a solution to this issue.


    The second alternative, which was looking more and more realistic, was that Amrock had been trolling all along.


    I mean, we DO get our story after a LOT of work, so don't worry about that, but fixing the broken bot behavior and sharing it here felt just as important as getting the end product delivered. With the way Amrock kept hyping it up, it was bound to be awesome (and it's definitely worth the wait, so hang in there).

    Anyways... Dobby changed his strategy yet again, hopeful to be able to reach through to Amrock and un-break him after all.






    Sigh. Okay, patience is in fact running a little short. Come the $%#! on Amrock, just give us the story.






    And


    lo and behold!!!!



    (spoilering cuz of story = huge picture size)



    not yet tbh



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    Completed Love you all, thanks for making the game amazing,...

    Love you all, thanks for making the game amazing, and thanks to everyone for wanting to play and make this game super hype and nice vibes (for a mafia game) and fun

    Stay tuned for rest of the flavor tbh, you were promised a story


    Dvc link (was surprisingly active and fun): https://discord.gg/snmvEYVpZm
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    Completed So yeah. Right, you were promised a story. ...

    So yeah. Right, you were promised a story.

    Well, SO WAS DOBBY!!!!!!





    Let's just try EVERYTHING, right?

    Breathe in, breathe out. It's just a Beta version or something. Dobby really doesn't know much about AI/bots... Not even what they're actually called tbh.


    Maybe the issue was that it was split into several messages? Dobby was pretty sure the system had just gotten overloaded or something? Hm.



    ....




    Still no success. Time. Patinence. There was still hope.





    Dobby started to get desperate. He had banked on this to work out, and neither had time nor energy to start a new flavor-writing project. But tbh, Amrock was probably just learning or something... right? More patience. Lots of patience.


    Or, like. maybe... maybe there was something else going on?




    Right, what was Dobby thinking... it's a bot, probably just needed to be asked the right questions, given the right instructions, and time and space to finish it all. Initially Amrock had said he could send the story by the end of the weekend. Requiring it immediately was probably too much to ask. Apologetic etc, Dobby was wondering how he could approach Amrock differently to get the story posted without new technical difficulties.


    I promise, you'll get your story, but the process leading up to it is just as important here, since it's Amrock generated after all.
  12. #26

    Thread: MU Jukebox Sessions

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    Maybe this is better than the pictures, although...

    Maybe this is better than the pictures, although I'll be updating both. Color coding = good.



    OPEN - Preferred = Optimal weeks to host so we don't have sessions two weeks in a row (too much) or too sparse. It is technically possible to host two weeks in a row (during N/A weeks) but it's probably better not to so people don't get bored/OD or lose interest in these.

    Feel free to book a date and I'll add you to it, first come first served tbh



    JANUARY

    1/15-1/21 OPEN
    1/22-1/28 N/A
    1/29-2/4- @CrimsonFox


    FEBRUARY

    ( 1/29-2/4 - @CrimsonFox )
    2/5-2/11 @LordQuas
    2/12-2/18 N/A
    2/19-2/25 @Raskolnikov
    2/26-3/4 N/A


    MARCH

    (2/26-3/4 N/A)
    3/5-3/11 N/A
    3/12-3/18 @Logic
    3/19-3/25 @Kuti plz
    3/26-4/1 @marmot


    APRIL

    (3/26-4/1[/B] marmot)
    4/2-4/8 N/A
    4/9-4/15 N/A
    4/16-4/22 @juliet
    4/23-4/29 N/A
    4/30-5/6 OPEN


    MAY

    (4/30-5/6 N/A
    5/7-5/13 @Egix96
    5/14-5/20 N/A
    5/21-5/27 N/A
    5/28-6/3 @tonystarkprime


    JUNE

    5/28-6/3 TSP week!
    6/4-6/10 N/A
    6/11-6/17 OPEN
    6/18-6/24 OPEN - Preferred week
    6/25-7/1 OPEN - Preferred week


    JULY

    (6/25-7/1 OPEN - Preferred week)
    7/2-7/8 OPEN - Preferred week
    7/9-7/15 OPEN - Preferred week
    7/16-7/22 OPEN - Preferred week
    7/23-7/29 OPEN - Preferred week
    7/30-8/5 OPEN - Preferred week

  13. #25

    Thread: MU Jukebox Sessions

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    Should be easy enough since these are...

    Quote Originally Posted by LordQuas (#24)
    not a jammers individual but might want to make sure you coordinate w/ @nutella or others to make sure you don't overlap w/ walrus reveals. just a reminder
    Should be easy enough since these are weeks/months ahead of time. Maybe can be added to like the same schedule
  14. #21

    Thread: MU Jukebox Sessions

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    Hytyyype! Ill edit everything into the calendar...

    Hytyyype! Ill edit everything into the calendar at some point soon.

    Ill block at least the week before and after each date so it's AT LEAST 2 weeks between each one, otherwise it might lose the hype a bit/be overdone. Especially since there'll be a lot of walrus reveals as well.
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    Thread: MU Jukebox Sessions

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    Thats super hype, and considering you're the...

    Thats super hype, and considering you're the first one to pick a date, it's yours tbh!
  16. #13

    Thread: MU Jukebox Sessions

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    Just to clarify, this isn't a "one single evening...

    Just to clarify, this isn't a "one single evening for everyone at the same night" thing or so. Also whoever wants to do it can sign up and we'll make a schedule or smth i think. Maybe every 3-4 weeks? Also whoever wants to go first, let me know! I know it takes some prepping but we're not in a hurry amirite


    Okay so like


    i used my amazing MS Paint skills

    Pick a week, ill add you to it. Preferably not more than 2 per month. Exact date doesn't need to be fully decided (you can set your own date and time or we make a strawpoll)

    Also we should probably have a ping group so people get notified if/when this is happening. Imma go ahead and ping people now just to bring attention to the calendar thingie and see if anyone wants to reserve any dates already, and

    1) if you want to be added to the ping list for reveals and when things are happening/info is out, OR if you want to opt out of pings let me know. There'll be one list of names for the Discord as well (or can just ping jammers and walrus roles ).
    2) if/when you want to reserve a specific date/week already, let me know and ill edit the calendar (IT'S NOW IN THE OP!).

    @Kuti plz @nutella @Shad @Tanner_FromHighschool @Bloobird @juliet @Raskolnikov @Porscha @Visorslash @MyNameIsNothing @staypositivefriend @c4e5g3d5 @vanity. @LordQuas @Schiavetto @Zack @marmot @Cuthalion @Chloe @benneh @Hally @soah @Fatmo @fluffy rabbit @BLOODYRAIN10001 @Kane @ladd (spread this to people idk who to ping and who wouldn't apprecfiate it (sorry if you dont ill remove you ) i probably missed some people to ping)















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    Completed Apoc Arapocalypse Beck benneh Cuthalion ...

    @Apoc
    @Arapocalypse
    @Beck
    @benneh
    @Cuthalion
    @Dyslexicon
    @katze
    @ladd
    @Logic
    @Mantichora
    @marmot
    @staypositivefriend
    @Visorslash
    @Wisdom

    From D2 and on postcap will be lifted 2 hours before EoD.
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    Completed So. Yeah, You were promised a story, and you WILL...

    So. Yeah, You were promised a story, and you WILL get it in due time. Amrock will provide. The process leading up to the amazing end results however, was kind of... not fully working out as planned, with a hurdle or two stalling it. There's still time to show off what Amrock created later, but I kinda want to just go through that quickly, so, let's practice some patience tbh.

    Alright, with that introduction out of the way, let's see how the exchange between Dobby and Amrock continued.





    Okay, yeah... As I said, there were some technical difficulties. Kind of expected considering the magnitude of what Amrock had promised to create. Nothing that should be too hard to solve.





    Uhm. yeah, some more weird stuff, but hey, it's a bot. We'll get there.

    Dobby concluded that the story was probably too long to send immediately, it would need some processing and stuff, even writing out a few sentences in the chat as response took a long time for Amrock. Amrock = slow, this is news.

    Just kidding. He probably just needed some time. All good.




    Hm.

    Okay, right, let's give it some more time. See you next nightphase.

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    Should we try and see if we can get some kind of...

    Should we try and see if we can get some kind of schedule going? First reveal in like a few weeks, probnably needs time for prep


    If anyone is up for doing the first round lmk
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    Also I'm thinking we make a big schedule thing...

    Also I'm thinking we make a big schedule thing out of this so it's spread out a bit over time and we don't OD tbh


    Also mnin said smth like a 50 song thing over a few hours and people can pop in and out, that's cool too, that's why I was thinking we shouldn't have an upper time limit other than general recommendations
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    MU Jukebox Sessions

    Hi, I've had an idea for a long time but never got to actually shipping it.

    There's a program concept in Swedish radio every summer where "famous" people get to tell a story about something, and mixed in is songs that they choose that have some kind of meaning or relevance to their story, and it usually turns out to be beautiful experiences.


    I kinda wanted to try something like that on MU as well. A lot of people have sick collections of great songs, they mightve been subbed to random walri, but in that context they're usually kinda drowned out and forgotten.

    The idea here is simple tbh. One person gets to control the radio and hold a "jukebox session" where they play... say 10-15-20 (?) songs, as a "show". Maybe one of these programs every couple of weeks.

    Each person who does this gets to choose the format. Its your show. I'm thinking just playing a set of songs is what would be most common tbh. For each song it would be nice to have some kind of attached text. Suggestions for themes could be like

    - this is my favorite song because -
    - this song means a lot to me because -
    -this song reminds me of X-
    - I used to listen to this song during a period of my life and this brings me back
    - favorite summer song
    - my parents used to play this / my mom/dad's favorite song
    - this song is from a movie I liked
    - I've listened to this one soooo much in my life
    - this song makes me happy because
    - this song always makes me emotional/nostalgic
    - this is a good song
    - I want you guys to notice this song so I want to play it
    - this got robbed in a walrus and nobody paid attention to it
    - here's a song smileyface


    It would be nice with a smol/longer blurb so it's something more than just a jam session. If there could be a theme for the session that's nice too but no need for anything like that.

    Also, this is for everyone, not just people that sub to walri, I'd love to hear stuff that people like @juliet would play, that never sub to walri.

    So yeah, would there be any interest for smth like this?

    Also Yeah lengthwise it can be whatever, 20 mins, 1 hour, it depends on how much you want to share. More than an hour is okay too but keeping it not much longer than an hour is probably preferable so ppl can eb around for the whole thing

    CALENDAR
    (calendar with colors and stuff in the spoilers at the bottom of this post)


    OPEN - Preferred = Optimal weeks to host so we don't have sessions two weeks in a row (too much) or too sparse. It is technically possible to host two weeks in a row (during N/A weeks) but it's probably better not to so people don't get bored/OD or lose interest in these.

    Feel free to book a date and I'll add you to it, first come first served tbh


    Maybe this is better than the pictures, although I'll be updating both. Color coding = good.



    OPEN - Preferred = Optimal weeks to host so we don't have sessions two weeks in a row (too much) or too sparse. It is technically possible to host two weeks in a row (during N/A weeks) but it's probably better not to so people don't get bored/OD or lose interest in these.

    Feel free to book a date and I'll add you to it, first come first served tbh



    JANUARY

    1/15-1/21 OPEN
    1/22-1/28 N/A
    1/29-2/4- @CrimsonFox


    FEBRUARY

    ( 1/29-2/4 - @CrimsonFox )
    2/5-2/11 @LordQuas
    2/12-2/18 N/A
    2/19-2/25 @Raskolnikov
    2/26-3/4 N/A


    MARCH

    (2/26-3/4 N/A)
    3/5-3/11 N/A
    3/12-3/18 @Logic
    3/19-3/25 @Kuti plz
    3/26-4/1 @marmot


    APRIL

    (3/26-4/1[/B] marmot)
    4/2-4/8 N/A
    4/9-4/15 N/A
    4/16-4/22 @juliet
    4/23-4/29 N/A
    4/30-5/6 OPEN


    MAY

    (4/30-5/6 N/A
    5/7-5/13 @Egix96
    5/14-5/20 N/A
    5/21-5/27 N/A
    5/28-6/3 @tonystarkprime


    JUNE

    5/28-6/3 TSP week!
    6/4-6/10 N/A
    6/11-6/17 OPEN
    6/18-6/24 OPEN - Preferred week
    6/25-7/1 OPEN - Preferred week


    JULY

    (6/25-7/1 OPEN - Preferred week)
    7/2-7/8 OPEN - Preferred week
    7/9-7/15 OPEN - Preferred week
    7/16-7/22 OPEN - Preferred week
    7/23-7/29 OPEN - Preferred week
    7/30-8/5 OPEN - Preferred week















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    Completed A Story About a Story There once was a Dobby...

    A Story About a Story


    There once was a Dobby that tried to come up with flavor for a game, and he wanted it to be epic.

    Writing a story yourself is exhausting though, and Dobby quickly realised that this would take way more effort than he was willing to put in, so...



    He asked Amrock AI for help. (with Amrock's permission tbh)




    Now, I won't bore you with the details and specifics requested for the story, and also... actually reading the story instead of about it would be way more fun!

    Dobby asked for 6 parts so he could have something for flavor each night, and after a while, the exchange got to the following point:







    Story HYPE, let's goooo!!
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    Completed A Story About a Story - Invitational: Game...

    A Story About a Story - Invitational: Game Information!

    This is an automated game of Mafia.


    Setup - 15 Players

    x1 Mafia Vigilante | 1-Shot
    x1 Backup Mafia Vigilante
    x1 Mafia Goon
    x10 Vanilla Town
    x1 Town Jailkeeper | 2-Shot
    x1 Town Vigilante | Cycle 2

    Example Role PMs
    • POST RESTRICTION: You may only post 80 times per Day phase. This restriction will be lifted 1 hours before phase end.
    • Majority will be in effect starting Day 2. Day 2 onward will end the instant a majority is reached.
    • Town wins when there are no threats to Town remaining.
    • Mafia factions win when they achieve Parity and there are no other evil factions remaining at any time.
    • Votes are automatically locked in when the Town must eliminate correctly.
    • Sleep is enabled. Vote for Sleep to forgo an elimination that Day.
    • Mafia factional kills are mandatory. Mafia must submit a factional kill each night, or a player outside their faction will be chosen at random.
    • Mafia factional kills are assigned. They can be tracked, watched, or roleblocked.
    • Mafia share a factional Night Kill, which is a single standard shot for their faction.
    • Day Actions must be submitted by 0 minutes before the end of Day.
    • Mafia may communicate at any time.
    • Tied votes will result in a player being eliminated at random from among the tied players.

    Phase Lengths

    Days are 48 hours in length. Nights are 24 hours in length.

    Players

    @Apoc
    @Arapocalypse
    @Beck
    @benneh
    @c4e5g3d5
    @Cuthalion
    @Dyslexicon
    @katze
    @ladd
    @Logic
    @Mantichora
    @marmot
    @staypositivefriend
    @Visorslash
    @Wisdom

    FAQ

    Are you unsure about how actions are processed or how roles interact with each other? Then read more here:

    ORDER OF OPERATIONS

    Actions which modify other actions are processed before the actions they modify. When actions would modify each other in a inter-dependent dependency cycle, they are processed in the following order:

    Passives (e.g. Ninja, Strongman)
    Empowers
    Redirects
    Roleblocks
    Jails
    Doctors
    Bodyguards
    Kills
    Investigations
    Backups

    The order in which an action was submitted during the night will not impact the order in which the actions are processed.

    ACTION FEEDBACK

    These are the results you will get when you submit certain actions.

    Non-investigative actions that do not gain anything from their actions do not get feedback of any kind.

    Players will not be informed if their action was blocked or redirected. Actions with reports (e.g. Alignment Cops) will show the target they ended the Night on in the report and tell them if it failed, but not why or how, as shown below.

    Investigative actions return results even if the target dies on the same night.

    Actions that count as visits are counted as visits even if the actor dies on the same night.

    Investigative roles (Tracker, Cop, etc.) when roleblocked:

    Your action on Player B failed.
    Trackers when tracking a person that didn't visit anyone (or if they targeted a Ninja):

    Player C did not visit anyone.
    Watchers when watching a person that wasn't visited by anyone (or only visited by a Ninja):

    Player D was not visited by anyone.
    Alignment Cop when investigating a town-aligned player (or a Godfather):

    Player E is Town
    Watcher when watching a person that was visited by multiple people:

    Player F was visited by Player G, Player H, Player I
    FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS

    How do I submit my action?
    Use the form below the game thread. If your role has a night action, the form will only be visible during night phases. It's not possible to submit actions in advance of the night phase.

    What does it mean if Mafia kills are assigned?
    Assigned kills means the member of the mafia team that submitted the last factional night kill target for the Night will be the one assigned to carry out the kill. Since the kill is being carried out by a specific person, the kill can be blocked or modified by other actions. Assigned kills can seen by other roles such as Trackers and Watchers. If the kill is set to mandatory and the Mafia do not submit a kill in time, then the assigned killer is chosen at random.

    If assigned kills are not turned on, then the Mafia factional kill cannot be blocked, modified or seen by any actions and has no particular person assigned to do it, even if there is only one of their players left.

    Where do I find example role PM's?
    This thread contains example role PM's for all roles currently supported by the Modbot as well as information on the various modifiers. Here you will find the answers to a lot of questions not covered in this FAQ section.

    Which roles can self-target / target themselves?
    All roles have the option to go with or without the Self-targetable modifier. Watchers are typically marked as Self-targetable (and will be suggested to the host by the system). Everyone else usually does not not have this ability. This is not a guarantee that your host applied them that way in your specific game.

    Which roles are not able to target the same players on consecutive Nights?
    All roles have the option to go with or without the Non-consecutive modifier. Doctors, Jailkeepers, Roleblockers, Empowers and Redirects are roles that are typically marked as Non-consecutive (and will be suggested to the host by the system). Everyone else usually does not not have this restriction, including Bodyguards. This is not a guarantee that your host applied them that way in your specific game.

    Note that this Non-consecutive restriction applies to what you submit. You will not be able to submit the same player the next Night even if you failed or ended up on another target in the end. You may end still up on the same player if other actions force you to violate a targeting restriction.

    Will I be told be told if my action was blocked or redirected?
    No. Players will not be informed if their action was blocked or redirected. Actions with reports (e.g. Alignment Cops) will show the target they ended the Night on in the report and tell them if it failed, but not why or how.

    What happens if 2+ of the same Blocking roles (e.g. Jailkeepers) target each other in a dependency cycle?
    In the case of a cycle of only Jailkeepers, they will block actions lower in the order than their Jail and protect each other. In the case of only Roleblockers, they will block actions lower than Roleblock in the order. This means that the players are still trackable to each other that night by Trackers and Watchers. It also means that if one of them is Mafia and happens to simultaneously be the one submitting the factional kill that night in a game with assigned mafia kills, then the kill, and any other actions lower in the order, are blocked. This same principle applies to longer loops. I.e. in a A > B > C > D > A loop, everyone is blocked.

    What happens if 2+ Redirectors try to redirect each other?
    Redirection actions only affect single-target actions, so there is no dependency. They will successfully redirect any single-target actions the other has, including any assigned factional kills.

    What happens if 2+ Manipulatives with different action types (e.g. a Roleblocker and a Jailkeeper) target each other in a dependency cycle?
    Refer to the order of operations for dependency cycles. e.g. Roleblocks process before Jailkeepers.

    What happens if a power lower in the order is the first one in a line? e.g. Jailkeeper A jails Roleblocker B who roleblocks Roleblocker C?
    The order only matters when the actions are inter-dependent in a complete cycle. Since Jailkeeper A's action is not being modified, their action is processed first. That makes B's Roleblock fail. If there is no other modification, then C's actions will succeed.

    If an X-Shot role is blocked while using one of its shots, do they lose that shot forever?
    Yes. A 1-shot Vigilante being blocked while attempting to kill someone will not have their shot refunded.

    What happens if a Strongman kills someone who is protected by a Bodyguard?
    Strongman ignores the Bodyguard completely and kills the original person as if there was no interference.

    Can a mafia team choose not to kill anyone during a night?
    The host can determine this using the Mafia Factional Kill setting. Kills can be mandatory, optional, or disabled altogether.

    The default is Mandatory. If the mafia do not submit a target for their kill, then someone will be chosen at random from among the players not on their team. Hosts tend to do this in order to avoid deadlocked games where the town keeps no eliminating and the mafia refuses to submit a kill. If the game has assigned kills and they do not submi, it will randomize which member of the team is carrying out the kill.

    If there is only one mafia member left in a game without assigned kills, can the mafia factional kill then be blocked and/or tracked?
    No. The kill is not assigned no matter how many players are there to carry out the kill.

    Can the mafia submit a kill for one of their own members?
    Not using the factional kill.

    If I kill someone, does their night action, if they have one, still succeed?
    Yes. Killing someone doesn't prevent them from performing their night action. Refer to the order of operations. All kills happen at the end of the night, and everyone pulls the trigger simultaneously.

    Can individual mafia members actions be submitted by their teammates?
    No. If the mafia team want to use a role's action, then the player occupying that slot must submit the action themselves.

    If a Lover is shot during the night, while the other Lover is protected that night, does the other Lover still die?
    Yes. Nothing can prevent a Lover from dying of Lovesickness.

    If a Bodyguard protects Lover A, while Lover B is shot during that same night, what happens?
    Lovesickness is not processed as a kill, and cannot be gaurded against. Lover A dies of Lovesickness and the Bodyguard lives.

    If there are any Innocent Childs in the game, are these confirmed in the thread right when the game begins?
    No. Innocent Children are able to decide themselves when or if they wish to have the Mafia Host confirm their role and alignment in the thread. Note that this is exclusively a Day action and that it can take up to one minute to process the action.

    What results are Alignment Cops, Full Cops and Role Cops given if they investigate a Godfather or a Miller?
    Alignment Cops are told "Town" for Godfathers and "Mafia" for Millers. Full Cops are told "Vanilla Town" for Godfathers and "Mafia Goon" for Millers. Role Cops the exception: They are told "Godfather" for Godfathers and "Miller" for Millers.

    Can Role Cops tell the difference between a Vanilla Town and Mafia Goon?
    No. They are told "Vanilla" when investigating either of these two roles.

    If I roleblock someone with a Bulletproof Vest, will that nullify the effect of the vest?
    No. Bulletproof Vests are passive items that cannot be blocked.

    If I roleblock Masons, Neighbors or Lovers with out of thread communication privileges, can I prevent them from talking at night?
    No. Talking in a private thread is not considered an action that can be blocked.

    If I roleblock a Godfather or Miller, will they still be revealed as being town-aligned to Alignment Cops and Full Cops that night?
    Yes. Passive roles are not treated as actions and cannot fail.

    Are you wondering about how to vote, submit night actions or multi-isolate players? Read about this and more here:

    HOW TO VOTE

    Our forum votes for someone by using the vote tags: [V]Thingyman[/V]. Preview:

    ##Vote Thingyman

    Make sure that you spell out the full, correct name. Abbreviations or misspelled names will not be registered by the Modbot.

    To unvote, use the tags: [UNV][/UNV] . When unvoting you do not need to enter the name of the person that you are unvoting. Preview:

    ##Unvote

    HOW TO VOTE BY PROXY / ANONYMOUSLY


    Select your vote choice and click submit using the form at the bottom of the thread.

    Big Image: https://i.imgur.com/hBJ7arR.gif
    Click to load this image


    VOTING BUTTONS


    You can also quickly vote for someone by clicking on the box with a checkmark icon, which will bring up an alphabetized dropdown containing the names of living players:



    This will insert [V][/V] tags with the name of the player you selected in the dropdown, perfect every time.

    Click the empty checkbox button to insert [UNV][/UNV].
    HOW TO SUBMIT NIGHT ACTIONS

    If you have a night action, simply submit this at night by scrolling to the bottom of the game thread. Here you will find a night action form like this:



    Click the dropdown and select the player whom you wish to use your night action on. You can change it as many times as you wish before the deadline expires.
    HOW TO REQUEST A VOTECOUNT

    Votecounts will appear automatically at various intervals, but you can also call up votecounts yourself by following these steps:

    First, you need to apply to join "Mafia Game Hosts" under Permission Groups.

    Second, once your request has been approved, you will be able to call up votecounts by simply pushing the "Post Votecount" button in the top right corner of any game thread that you'd like an updated votecount for.

    OTHER SPECIAL FEATURES

    VIEWING VOTE HISTORY

    There are three ways to access the vote history for any game.

    1. Click on the "Vote History" button in the top right corner of the game thread:

    2. Click on the "View Vote History" link, which accompanies all votecounts:

    3. Click on Modbot in the top forum menu. This will give you a list of ongoing and completed games:



      Next, simply click on "Vote History" to view all votes for that game.

    Following any of the above three steps will bring you to an overview like this one:



    Click on a Voter's username to view all of the votes by their slot.

    Click on a Target's username to view all of the votes for their slot.

    ISOLATING A PLAYER'S POSTS

    If you wish to read a player's posts in isolation, simply click on "ISO" in the top right corner of one of that player's posts in the relevant thread as illustrated here:



    Alternatively, you can access a player's posts in isolation by clicking on the number next to "Replies:" in the forum lobby.



    Doing so will pull up a window listing the post counts for everyone who has posted in that thread. You access someone's posts in isolation by simply clicking on the number next to "Posts:" for that person.



    The ISO view itself has Quote and Multi-Quote buttons inside it, which will make it very easy to quickly quote a lot of a player's posts for analysis or commentary:


    MULTI-ISOLATING

    If you wish to read not just one player's posts, but you want to ISO multiple players, then click the "Multi ISO" button to the left of "Game Tools" and select the players in question as shown here:


    MULTI-QUOTING WHILE THREAD IS LOCKED

    Note that you can multi-quote posts from even locked game threads. This is useful for when you wish to reread the game and do work during night phases.

    After quoting the relevant posts, you simply open a different, opened thread and press "Go Advanced". Then add the quotes to your post by clicking the prompt below the post area as shown here:



    Now, of course you can't post your work in the game thread while the thread is locked, but you can copy paste and save your work to a local file or the cloud and have it ready to post the very next day phase (if you're still alive, that is).

    BOOKMARKS

    Whenever you open a game thread, you are able to bookmark posts. This is for many players an important tool for keeping track of and remembering vital pieces of information, reads, claims etc.

    Also, note that these bookmarks are saved to your user account, meaning that it eliminates the trouble associated with keeping notes between different computers/devices.

    If you want to bookmark a post, you simply scroll to the post that you want to bookmark and press "Set Bookmark" as shown here:



    This will call up 5 different colored icons (Blue, Red, Yellow, Green, and Black) on the right side of the post in question. You can click any of these icons, which will then prompt you to include a note for the post.

    If you don't want to include a note, you don't have to - just leave it blank. The color coding in itself can be a valuable tool. Maybe you want to use Red bookmarks for posts that you find suspicious, Green bookmarks for posts that you find townie, Black bookmarks for posts containing claims, or whatever system you can think of that will be helpful to you.



    Once this is done, you have now successfully bookmarked a post with a certain color and maybe even a note. If you wish to remove the bookmark again, click on "Unset Bookmark".

    How do I access bookmarks?

    There are two ways to access your bookmarks.
    1. Inside a game thread, you can access the bookmarks for that specific game by simply right clicking on the "Bookmark" button and opening the link.

      This will bring you to a separate page that is automatically filtered to only show bookmarks from the game thread that you accessed the page from.
    2. You can also access your bookmarks by going to Features in the site's top menu:



      This will bring you to a page where no bookmarks are shown by default. However, you have several filtering options.

      You can filter by Game, by Player and by Color - and all of them at once if you so wish.

      Here's an example of filtering by only red bookmarks in one specific game:



    If you want to be taken directly to one of your bookmarked posts, you just click the post number.

    How do I quote bookmarks?

    You can also multi-quote bookmarked posts by clicking the little "+" button seen above on the far right side of each bookmark.

    Once you have multi-quoted all the bookmarked posts that you want to quote, you will then have to go to the game thread in which you wish to quote the bookmarked posts.

    Here you have two ways of quoting the posts.

    1. Click on "Reply With Quote" on another post as shown here:



      You will then probably want to delete the last post quoted in the reply box, but otherwise you should be good to go.
    2. Or you can do the more smooth option and click the "Reply To Thread" button at the top and bottom of the game thread - as shown here:



      By doing this you will open up a reply box containing only your multi-quoted bookmarked posts.
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    Completed The Story About a Story - Invitational

    A Story About a Story - Invitational




    Sometimes doing things not-yourself is better tbh


    • Game Start: January 12th, 7PM EST
    • Phases: 48/24
    • 80 post maximum (lifted 1 hr before EoD) per Day phase. No postmin but I'm expecting everyone to play the game tbh.
    • The rest is like, standard stuff. Yeet is randed if tied, mafia has 24/7 chat, votes locked at LyLo, factional kill is assigned, etc etc.
    • Have fun. This is also a fully Nice Vibes game. If frustrated/sad/wanttovent/whatever you can contact me tbh.
    • Setup: 15p. Town: N2 Vig + 2-shot JK (+10VT) vs Mafia: 1-shot vig + Vig backup (+1 Goon) (12v3) (see start of post 2 it looks better)


    If you want to spectate this game, PM me on forums or discord Dobby#6775.
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    Walrus i think theres a kinda big likelihgood thats me...

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#72)
    Let's just say that someone's gonna be really mad about how well their cat 3 sub's gonna do
    i think theres a kinda big likelihgood thats me x2 sadge
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    Walrus i wanted to sub to this but i keep forgetting...

    i wanted to sub to this but i keep forgetting until bedtime
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    Walrus thursday bad i should be able to make the other...

    Quote Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 (#67)
    @Bloobird
    @FrostburnPhoenix
    @Kane
    @Kuti plz
    @ladd
    @MyNameIsNothing
    @nutella
    @remember @SchizoAffected @Tanner_FromHighschool
    @roro__b
    @Schiavetto
    @staypositivefriend
    @vanity.
    @Visorslash
    @Zack

    Cat 2 is graded but the absolute earliest I can reveal it is the 8th, if any specific times are best/worst for you and you plan to make the reveal lmk
    thursday bad i should be able to make the other days
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    me looking for porridge radio and ethel cain like...

    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsNothing (#3)
    gonna post aoty/soty lists in the next couple days but finished my "First Listens of 2022 That Didn't Come Out in 2022" list and sharing that here now w rym genres so u can maybe find something you'd actually like bolded my personal top 5 as well!
    Ornette Coleman – The Shape of Jazz to Come (1959) (Avant-Garde Jazz, Free Jazz)
    Scott Walker – Scott 4 (1969) (Baroque Pop, Singer Songwriter)
    Iannis Xenakis – Persepolis (1971) (Electroacoustic, Tape Music)
    Willie Hutch – The Mack (1973) (Soul, Funk)
    Gary Stewart – Out of Hand (1975) (Honky Tonk, Nashville Sound)
    Glenn Branca – The Ascension (1981) (No Wave, Totalism)
    Manuel Göttsching – E2-E4 (1985) (Progressive Electronic, Berlin School)
    Prefab Sprout – Steve McQueen (1985) (Sophisti-Pop, Synthpop)
    Les Rallizes Dénudés – ’77 Live (1991) (Noise Rock, Psychedelic Rock)
    Ata Kak – Obaa Sima (1994) (Highlife, Hip House)
    Nav Katze – Gentle & Elegance (1996) (Ambient Pop, IDM)
    310 – AUG 56 (1996) (Downtempo, Ambient)
    Flowchart – Cumulus Mood Twang (1997) (Ambient Pop, Neo-Psychedelia)
    Yann Tomita – Music for Living Sound (1998) (Experimental, Sound Collage)
    Miyako Koda – Jupiter (1998) (Art Pop, Ambient Pop)
    Sugababes – One Touch (2000) (Pop, Contemporary R&B)
    Kulara – A Naked Landscape (2000) (Brutal Prog, Screamo)
    People Like Us, Wobbly, Matmos – Wide Open Spaces (2003) (Plunderphonics, Country)
    Mi-Gu – From Space (2006) (Art Pop, Post-Rock)
    Humming Urban Stereo – Baby Love (2007) (Dance-Pop, Lounge)
    Arthur Russell – Love Is Overtaking Me (2008) (Singer-Songwriter, Folk Rock)
    Chris Watson – El Tren Fantasma (2011) (Field Recordings, Trains!)
    Maria & The Mirrors – Vision Quest (2012) (Deconstructed Club, Power Noise)
    Nirosta Steel – Cool Fire (2014) (Folk Pop, Singer Songwriter)
    Paranoid London – Paranoid London (2014) (Acid House, Acid Techno)
    Elysia Crampton – American Drift (2015) (Latin Electronic, Epic Collage)
    SHINee – 1 of 1 (2016) (K-Pop)
    Shohei Amimori – Sonasile (2016) (Glitch Pop, IDM)
    Lee Jin-Ah – Jinah Restaurant (Full Course) (2018) (Jazz Pop, K-Pop)
    Liv.e – Couldn’t Wait to Tell You… (2020) (Neo-Soul, Hypnagogic Pop)

    me looking for porridge radio and ethel cain like

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    Frames per second Thats shorter Your move

    Frames per second


    Thats shorter

    Your move
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    Dobby my friend, you are delicious

    Dobby my friend, you are delicious
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    Walrus Scores after 20 categories. ...

    Scores after 20 categories.

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    Walrus CATEGORY 20....

    CATEGORY 20.




    32. KnightsOfCydonia

    DJ Cummerbund - The Sound of Smash Mouth
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJnK9EhiXQw

    I think I'd appreciate DJC subs if it were a 4 cat walrus. The minor key thing is pretty cool though, and the "chorus" thingie at 1:15 made me kinda smile, so I'll give you that. At 2:00 it goes fully to $%#! and I'm probably not playing the song until then so if anybody is curious go ahead and click the link I dare you.

    Score: 5,3/10


    31. katze

    Nanowar Of Steel - Heavy Metal Kibbles
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzBFpoRowH4

    30 seconds $%#!ty intro, into a... honestly I struggled to listen through it even once. Lyrics are good, especially when they say meow, but that's about it.

    Score: 5,5/10


    30. Shad

    Weeeee!!! Gonads and Strife
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BorQ_ULcvss

    I'm 12 and I found this weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    Score: 6,9/10


    29. chingles2404

    Dean Martin - Ain't That a Kick In The Head
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvUYgX-Ap_Y

    Lmao, unquestionable catfit. Song is. A classic.

    Score: 6,95/10


    28. Syn

    Serj Tankian - Empty Walls
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGWQqRyO8gA

    Oh god i had forgotten this existed. I. It's. I don't know. There's nothing about his singing that I like. It's way worse than I remembered it. I do have to say the thing where he poops out words kinda saves it a little, and the song does get stuck in my head (I don't think that's necessarily a particularly good thing but.. maybe a little? Okay it's catchy.) but yeah. the rest... Is not good sorry lol (inb4 "loldobby not good = 7,1)

    Score: 7,1/10


    27. Arapocalypse

    Clynton Mann - Arrow Pump It Up
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us22RsOqDsE

    epegajamjam: the song! Feelgood stuff. It's cool but, like, way too long and it kinda ruins it for me :P

    Score: 7,2/10


    26. PunchyTheCat

    björk - Solstice
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42XLBmTSYtI

    I think everyone already knows I'm a huge björk fan, but this album is far from my favorite tbqh, and this song is... not it, sowwy. I mean, it's still björkily björky but, kinda... boring

    Score: 7,4/10


    25. ladd

    Her's - What Once Was
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mKX21of0sM

    This is like. Very vanilla tbh. I've heard it a few times i think and like, it's not bad at all, it's just not very wow this is good, i think. Idk my writeups suck sometimes.

    Score: 7,5/10


    24. MyNameIsNothing 2

    Asunojokei - Chimera
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsVyACY3QDw

    Screamo (?) really is a hard sell for me. I think with a few listens I get a little desensitized to the eww-this-really-is-not-pleasant-to-listen-to'ness, and when he's silent I do enjoy it, I mean the instrumentals slap, no doubt about it. It'd probably be super high placed if it was instrumental (and shorter).

    Score: 8,0/10


    23. Ibuki Mioda

    MASS OF THE FERMENTING DREGS - ASAHINAGU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZUUeGhOr4c

    Hmm. This is a decent pop song. The tempo is great in most parts but this style of stuffsthingiesmusic really needs to be spectacular to stand out for me and this kinda doesn't tbh.

    Score: 8,15/10


    22. ignoramus

    Rhys Lewis - Bad Timing
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gls6Z1-UUCE

    Uhm, I've heard this more than a million times. Once upon a time I really loved it. It's slightly annoying that I can't figure out if it's because it was played to death on radio or if it was just me including it in a few of my playlists. Either way, it's a good pop song despite having lost a lot of it's appeal to me with time, but can't really tank it (too much) for that. Good sub fren.

    Score: 8,2/10


    21. Bloobird

    SOPHIE MSMSMSM - "PHYSICAL / B WHO I WANT 2 B"
    https://soundcloud.com/boivenus/soph...who-i-want-2-b

    RIP Sophie tbh. This song was subbed to visor as well by the same person ( ) and uh. I really want to like it because it's Sophie, and sure the melody is catchy but it's just a bit too bubblegum for me even though it grows on me with more listens.

    Wait. The category picture is... bubblegum. That's got to be it! nice one.

    Score: 8,25/10


    20. staypositivefriend

    The Rapture - Echoes
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sACfg4cSCmM

    This is not super exciting to me despite everything going on, probably because of the melody in what he sings - the instrumentals are way more interesting. The segment that starts in the last 30 seconds of it is awesome though.

    Score: 8,3/10


    19. Arete

    Pokémon Red, Blue & Yellow - Champion Battle Music
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXgAj5KdAC0

    plldldldldldldlldldlddldplplplplplplplplplppplllll llllllllllldllllllllllpllllllllllllllllllllllllll

    intense. nice.

    Score: 8,35/10


    18. Owner Of a Lonely Heart

    Edwyn Collins - A Girl Like You
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oqJ0JpMj6I

    OOOH based sub! This song is a vibe tbh.

    Score: 8,4/10


    17. Johanna

    Manel - M'hi vaig llançar
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD22LbWNTng

    Catalan pop, poggers! This feels kinda nice to listen to, especially the, like, 2 minutes in the middle of the song, they carry it pretty hard tbh.

    Score: 8,5/10


    16. Shiavetto

    Black Dresses - DAMAGE SUPPRESSOR
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcVbUgCnn6Q

    I've heard this band a few times before (checks - yes, was subbed to zackrus and jam sessions). I don't really recognise this song but it slappity slaps. It's very MU-core but probably more MU-core than dobbycore tbh.

    Score: 8,55/10


    15. Owner Of a Lonely Heart 2

    Professor Kliq - Surfs Up (Eat $%#!)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xhpYaWs5XQ

    I have a hard time wrapping my head around this. A lot is happening, but ultimately it's some kind of VGM meets The Prodigy but also jungle and godknowswhat. I want to like it because on paper it should be pretty awesome and right up my alley, but uh. There's almost a bit too much that's squeezed into the 5 minutes for me to like, love it, but it's very solid tbh.

    Score: 8,65/10


    14. marmot

    Fiona Apple - Heavy Balloon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8whTAkkBv6U

    Lol. Ballsy to sub Fiona Apple, for more than one reason (I've robbed one or two songs of hers, and absolutely loved others - not to mention walrus gang seems to all be into her music).... but a song called Heavy Balloon is too perfect to not sub here, I get it. I do like it tbh. It's not the best thing I've heard, but it's great and she's cool as fuk.

    Score: 8,7/10


    13. Cuthalion

    Ripe - Settling
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGK6TMAHcCM

    Hmmmmm. I want to like this. Ripe is like, a very MU jam-session'y band. The energy is great, singing is great, instruments great, everything just clean and very nice but like, all in all still missing something for me to be that wow this is amazing song.

    Score: 8,9/10



    12. soah

    Slow Crush - Rêve
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5alurz4vBw

    This is really nice to listen to. Maybe it doesn't stand out a lot but it does do (doo doo) enough for me to really enjoy it.

    Score: 9,05/10


    11. OTTER

    Torche - Sky Trials
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoVmvK30yZg

    First of all, I spent a fair few minutes just diving into the amazingness of this album cover. In fact, I played the song several times until I was done with that. It's short, but sometimes short is nice and not a meme. The melody in the singing is literally "Coldplay - The Scientist" and the singer's voice resembling Chris Martin's as well, cannot be unheard. Despite that, it slaps, it's fun, i like.

    Score: 9,15/10


    10. Kane #2

    Fanfare Ciocarlia - Bubamara
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiBoZJnEquo

    Instinctively I want to write "oh no another person that fell into the sub-horns-to-dobby trap".... but this is something completely different and unexpected. It's also very short and very hype throughout. A lot of fun. I like.

    Score: 9,2/10


    9. vanity.

    Iceage - White Rune
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK9F29J5voQ

    I'm not sure if I like the way he sings or not tbh. At first I'm like "wtf" and then I kinda... see the appeal, I think? It's imperfect or something idk how to describe it, and that is kinda intriguing tbh. The melodies it's got, instrumentation and stuff are all pretty sick as well tbh.

    Score: 9,25/10


    8. Kane #1

    The Minute Hour - The Shoebody Bop
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSZZFayo64I

    The music video is a work of art and everyone should watch it. I think this is supposed to be a meme sub but joke's on you it's awesome and I love it, the second half is amazing. shoobadidoo.

    Score: 9,4/10


    7. nutella

    TYPHOON - Masochist Ball
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw0o29JMm5s

    This song is all about the lyrics for me. Almost. The melody is cool, so is the delivery, and also where the song goes tbh. I really enjoy it.

    Score: 9,45/10


    6. Wiggium

    Dax J - Wir Leben Für Die Nacht
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKFB5Nclvp0

    From the first note I'm in love tbh. The pacing is awesome. It's slightly eerie throughout, and stays interesting through it's 6 minutes tbh. UPdate: actually, i wanted to go "hey a song of this genre that im not in love with" but getting back to it, i guess i'm a simple man, i really vibe with this despite it not having anything that fully stands out (raises score) lol

    Score: 9,55/10


    5. MyNameIsNothing 3

    nouns - dogs


    I like dogs. I'm gonna judge this as if I hadn't heard about nouns yet because the talk about the new album and stuff in music channel was after I got this subbed. And this song is awesome there's no denying it and ixelpepe: and I LIKE DOGS MUCH BETTER THAN CATS

    Score: 9,6/10


    4. Visorslash

    Have a Nice Life - Dan and Tim, Reunited by Fate


    Yeah this is a band that's been subbed a million times to walri, to me as well (A Quick One Before the Eternal Worm Devours Connecticut) but. this is different. It's like... dark. Different, unique, etc. I did some research and honestly, there's a ton of songs from them that's been played in the music channel but it's not the type of music you just listen to and fall in love with immediately I think. At least not for me. It takes a few listens to warm up to, but when I reached that point, the song was kinda stuck in my head. Not only the melody, but the way listening to it made me feel? Idk, tl:dr, it's good.

    Score: 9,65/10


    3. shubaka17

    체리블렛 (Cherry Bullet) - 'Love So Sweet'


    LMAO. Why are you doing this to me. Why do I like this. I shouldn't like anything about it. Like, nothing at all. The bubblegummy overly cute pop stuff, the jumping between english and korean (or any other language for that matter, it really manages to make every song worse just by being a concept), the onomatopoeic (i used a cool word, good job me) stuff - LUB DUB... I'm not someone that listens to happy sounding music. Like ever. I do however have to admit it feels good to listen to a song that's just... happy. Maybe don't make a habit of sending stuff like this though.

    Score: 9,7/10 + 0,3 = 10,0


    2. Ampharos

    Maybeshewill - Not for want of trying


    Fun fact, Maybeshewill (more specifically, this song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEdC4PwWihQ) got second place in the first cat of my first ever walrus. Possibly robbed tbh. I never got to listening to more from them other than like, a couple of songs from that album, but maybe I should have.

    This song is a $%#!ing banger. Not only that. It's an IMPORTANT piece of art. Sure, I'm a sucker for like, cool quotes sampled over awesome instrumentals. It starts off great, and then, come the sampled stuff, I'm insanely hyped, I want to like, fast forward through the song so I can hear it all at once. See what happens and be excited and !!!!!!!'y about it all at the same time. Idk. The speech makes me emotional. I did some resUrch, it's from the movie Network. It's from 46 years ago, and the words, line by line, are all accurate as hell in describing the world today as well.

    It's the type of thing that everyone needs to watch, hear, reflect on, be touched by etc. I haven't watched this movie tbh, but I'm very, very intrigued, and I sure will watch it, very soon. Thanks for subbing this.

    Score: 9,85/10 + 0,6 = 10,45


    1. MyNameIsNothing 1

    Hagop Tchaparian - Right to Riot


    man this is so $%#!ing sick. This armenian stuff is like exactly the type of thing that's played at our family parties and stuff, and techno/house/whateverifying it is geeeeeenius and goes HARD. Right up my alley, hypes me up so hard. so curious to see what other stuff he's got. (dobby in the future: THIS STILL SLAPS)

    Score: 9,95/10 + 1,0 = 10,95
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  36. it was not my idea, in fact, in the threads and...

    Quote Originally Posted by Eren Yeager (#133)
    Quote Originally Posted by roro__b (#128)
    Quote Originally Posted by alexa (#125)
    Anyway, To be clear, I think mods are trying to make the best decision they can. I do not think they are trying to hurt people. I just think you can try to make the best possible decision and it can still not be the correct one (or uh the best one, because it can negatively impact a large group of people not as connected to the mods, who they don't fully understand the opinions of)

    This feels like a boomer VS millennial argument where the people who are against subs the hardest are people who just want things the way they're "supposed to be".. which, there is merit to that, but it's not the only way to have an enjoyable game with integrity - it may be ideal but things are gonna come up. There is always going to be people who need to sub no matter how much you penalize them. And over penalizing can just lead to new players who may have a future here losing vested interest. That's why I believe the best option is host/game determined.

    Like a game how it's "supposed to be" is going to have every single player participate and care about participating and be available to participate for the full 2 weeks (as an average) and there are so many times this is just not realistic, but some people will become available between these 2 weeks who can play that role. That's fine for a lot of people. There may be some people who don't want to be in a game like this, fine! Why not let the host determine this? There are clearly plenty of people who are very for this policy, but probably an equal number of people against it.

    What people ideally want is never going to happen. You can administer every single punishment in the world to subs. It is not going to "correct" the issue in the grand scheme of things.

    Yes it can suck for wolves. It can also be good for wolves. It just depends. And it can also suck for wolves when someone is doing nothing/min posting to avoid a sub penalty and is therefore "ML bait" and so everyone avoids them. People, including wolves, want to play a game with others who also want to play.

    When I say "people" here I don't mean everyone I just mean people I talk to/a lot of people I know and such. I'm very aware there's another side of things and people who just hate subs. That's fine.
    Again, I really didn't need to post this atp, but honestly, I really want to so here goes.

    You do realise some thought and work was put into this? Saying mods don't understand is absurd and disrespectful, because frankly, you are the one who doesn't seem to understand. The old policy and how we dealt with stuff are basically what you're proposing. It's about people who have no insight to the matter having nk idea what's going on, and mods trying over and over and over and over again to convey it. Don't say you don't think all of those things when you sctually do. stop playing the good guy minority repping the userbase that are being surpressed and not understood, against the big bad mods that think they know best but don't know how it is to be a user.

    If you did understand, you wouldn't talk about being punishments/penalising over and over again. Nor would you or your cliche do... other things that have happened related to these things. As if it's either being staff or being on your team, and if someone is not agreeing with your way of wanting to deal with things,they can get shat on over and over again by supposed "friends" and making it personal (because they agreed to be mods and try and make this site better and a good place to be part of for all users). It's $%#!ing exhausting and honedtly breaks one's spirit completely. Absurd as $%#!.
    you should probably trust your own intuition on that bud

    im not gonna pretend like i have context of whats going on behind this whole situation since i havent really read much of anything, from what i do know i get this was your idea and i can see why your emotionally invested in this which is probably (?) whats causing you to react like this. this post feels like an overreaction, you're putting words in someones mouth that just arent there, and making a bunch of assumptions. she seems fairly respectful and understanding in that post you quoted and you're making it as if she is completely dismissive of mods and doesnt understand a thing...which doesnt feel accurate to me? also you ironically making this a thing about cliques when it wasnt make actually turn it into a thing about cliques now when it wasnt ever to begin with.
    it was not my idea, in fact, in the threads and discussions suggesting changes in the first place, i was one of the people (strongly) against it, but yes, it's been pointed out as some sort of vanity project of mine, which is one of the messed up things about all this. Combined with behaviour within and maybe mainly outside this thread. But yeah, I won't make this about me anymore, but I do think from the modside there's way too much being afraid of saying stuff because of how people might react. And just being expected to deal with, anything coming your way, that's honestly a joke. When it comes to the bolded part, that's exactly what we've been accused of for months now, and it's really, really $%#!ing hard to take any sort of discussion when either you have to tiptoe around people and choose the exact right words to write AND anything you say can be used against you as a ghroup, or personally for.. some kind of personal gain - and repeatedly so. It's really tiring

    also the talk about punishment has been there, constantly. even in the post i answered tbh. It's there, you can ctrl f it if you want.
  37. Again, I really didn't need to post this atp, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa (#125)
    Anyway, To be clear, I think mods are trying to make the best decision they can. I do not think they are trying to hurt people. I just think you can try to make the best possible decision and it can still not be the correct one (or uh the best one, because it can negatively impact a large group of people not as connected to the mods, who they don't fully understand the opinions of)

    This feels like a boomer VS millennial argument where the people who are against subs the hardest are people who just want things the way they're "supposed to be".. which, there is merit to that, but it's not the only way to have an enjoyable game with integrity - it may be ideal but things are gonna come up. There is always going to be people who need to sub no matter how much you penalize them. And over penalizing can just lead to new players who may have a future here losing vested interest. That's why I believe the best option is host/game determined.

    Like a game how it's "supposed to be" is going to have every single player participate and care about participating and be available to participate for the full 2 weeks (as an average) and there are so many times this is just not realistic, but some people will become available between these 2 weeks who can play that role. That's fine for a lot of people. There may be some people who don't want to be in a game like this, fine! Why not let the host determine this? There are clearly plenty of people who are very for this policy, but probably an equal number of people against it.

    What people ideally want is never going to happen. You can administer every single punishment in the world to subs. It is not going to "correct" the issue in the grand scheme of things.

    Yes it can suck for wolves. It can also be good for wolves. It just depends. And it can also suck for wolves when someone is doing nothing/min posting to avoid a sub penalty and is therefore "ML bait" and so everyone avoids them. People, including wolves, want to play a game with others who also want to play.

    When I say "people" here I don't mean everyone I just mean people I talk to/a lot of people I know and such. I'm very aware there's another side of things and people who just hate subs. That's fine.
    Again, I really didn't need to post this atp, but honestly, I really want to so here goes.

    You do realise some thought and work was put into this? Saying mods don't understand is absurd and disrespectful, because frankly, you are the one who doesn't seem to understand. The old policy and how we dealt with stuff are basically what you're proposing. It's about people who have no insight to the matter having nk idea what's going on, and mods trying over and over and over and over again to convey it. Don't say you don't think all of those things when you sctually do. stop playing the good guy minority repping the userbase that are being surpressed and not understood, against the big bad mods that think they know best but don't know how it is to be a user.

    If you did understand, you wouldn't talk about being punishments/penalising over and over again. Nor would you or your cliche do... other things that have happened related to these things. As if it's either being staff or being on your team, and if someone is not agreeing with your way of wanting to deal with things,they can get shat on over and over again by supposed "friends" and making it personal (because they agreed to be mods and try and make this site better and a good place to be part of for all users). It's $%#!ing exhausting and honedtly breaks one's spirit completely. Absurd as $%#!.
  38. i know this topic has kinda been worn out by now...

    i know this topic has kinda been worn out by now but i blame apoc for reviving it and also my urge to chime in now that i.. can do so freely finally got to strong. I'll still try to keep it respectful etc even though some people have been disgusting about it because their misinformed view on stuff is theirs and therefore superior.


    i think the main issue with this policy is that its impossible to implement something that's both fair (and not subjective "i know this person and it's not on purpose therefore i won't talk to them") and that vocal/loud people won't do their best to $%#! on, assuming the worst intentions possible. There'll always be groups representing wildly polarized opinions and it's impossible to cater to both camps while still trying to do what's objectively, logically and whateverelseively most reasonable thing to do.

    I can't stress how $%#!ing weird it is to sit on the other side and have a game being heavily critisized for having too many subs, and seeing some of the subs being repeat "offenders", giving a reason, and then havign to judge if their anxiety or depression or family emergency or having too much at school, or forgetting about the game because stuff happened - is bad enough that you don't do anything, and have them sign up for another game or two the day after. Emergencies happen, mods aren't supposed to be playing god and having to judge what's valid enough and what's not, no matter if some people here seem to prefer that to being fair to everyone and not just the people that repeatedly quit out on games they sign up for, affecting every other player in the game. Because, that's what the policy is trying to get to. The repeated $%#!, not everyone. Sure, mods TALK to that person, not go "hey i'm punishing you for having real life stuff happening, look at me i have power". If you intend to keep doing it, yes the message that everyone that subs out receives is targetting you specifically, otherwise, you shouldn't really care about getting a message just like everyone else. It's not personal and tailored to upset you.


    Like, the thing where none of this is supposed to be regarded as punishment is also apparently impossible to convey. Again, assume the worst and that'll turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's absurd and sad.
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  41. /spec

    Quote Originally Posted by wiggles1993 (#8)
    Not gonna do a spec chat
    /spec
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    Sticky: Just an unfinished unrefined thought that has...

    Just an unfinished unrefined thought that has been touched upon somehow somewhere, maybe modchat maybe here idk. but how about something alone the lines of ppl playing 2 rounds of games, where the playerlists differ between the two rounds. 2 different setups, and the jury(or even each juror) + players in each game give points. No finale, no semis. I think it'd remove a few of the bad aspects of the current system. Less pressure for the players to perform so they advance, less "this person doesn't really deserve to be here" and less overt advancement talk. Scores only revealed after every game has been played and there's a final score, rather than after each game. I think this would also lead to less actual "results-oriented" discussion since there are two rounds and a lot can happen.

    It doesn't deal with the flaking however, and the policy for someone not being able to play game 2 if they played nr 1 would be unfair to the person subbing in.. maybe an average between the scores in both rounds so playing one game only is "fine"?

    Also I think this'll still keep the competitive nature of it all but in a less spotlighty way, where saving scores until everything is over helps, and won't single out people that "why did this person advance over x" or "why didn't y advance"... and hopefully it'll still attract people from other communities so mu can still have the influx of new players that kinda make this site what it is

    The more I think about it the less I feel like focusing on specchat rework is good enough here. It kinda goes back to the talk about "filtering out the best players" and these tend to be.... mostly mu(or mu adjacent) regulars. I think this current system is kinda.. outdated or smth
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    You guys are crazy

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    Walrus Scores after 19 categories, PART III. STARTS. ...

    Scores after 19 categories,
    PART III. STARTS.

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    Walrus PART III. Category 19. ...

    PART III.
    Category 19.




    All scores will be 0,05's (so something with 0,025 will be rounded up to 0,05 so total scoreboard won't be messed up)

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    32. KnightsOfCydonia

    DJ Cummerbund - Never Holocene You Up
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHep5URyuSs

    Dobby: Holocene is a great song. Whyyyyy. This was extremely, extremely boring.

    Score: 4,1/10

    juliets: "This is, in every sense of the word, awful. Good job!"

    Score: 4,9

    Total Score: 4,5/10

    31. Kane #1

    Metalocalypse: The Doomstar Requiem - I Believe - Toki
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQqJPYyggYU

    Dobby: ugh. no.

    Score: 5,6/10

    juliets: There is a really cute cat in this video, white with a black eye patch. A commenter says that it dies.

    Score: 5,9

    Total Score: 5,75/10

    30. MyNameIsNothing 2

    Marina Herlop - miu
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAFekxeTAwE

    Dobby: First instinct: Wow, this is cool. The idea is great, if it was really short maybe I'd appreciate it a lot more, but as a 4 minute song I don't really feel it tbh. Sowwy.

    Score: 7,2/10

    juliets: Fascinating. The vocal "percussive syllabic" sounds ancient, and its a made-up language btw, the instrumentation so modern, generated by computer. On first listen I was watching the video and had such a wtf moment I had to stop it, leave it, and come back a week later and listen without the video. I will probably listen to more by her.

    Score: 8,3

    Total Score: 7,75/10

    29. Syn

    Kerli - Walking On Air
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXMeZwO2qZ0

    Dobby: Honestly my favorite part is the lalala in the beginning and the first verse, they're great. The chorus is very underwhelming and it makes the rest of the listen kinda boring though.

    Score. 7,55/10

    juliets: "Little creepy girl with a little creepy face", hey is that the picture for this cat? Well, two girls? Maybe? I appreciated this more after several listens, it's catchy but just a shade too pop for me I think. Wasn't too pop for several choreographers to use it tho!

    Score: 8,1

    Total Score: 7,85/10 (7,825)

    28. Owner of a lonely heart

    Sam Tinnesz - Play With Fire feat. Yacht Money
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzVQkO92wNw

    Dobby: This is big Imagine Dragons vibes. Not my favorite type of music tbh, but the song itself is alright.

    Score: 7,9/10

    juliets: The danger gets me high, great line. This would have been a great song for Lucifer! The change to Yacht Money somewhere right before 2:00 was delicious, love her vocal in this.

    Score: 8

    Total Score: 7,95/10

    27. Arapocalypse

    Prospit & Derse - 07 Derse Dreamers
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOkeFOkE7No

    Dobby: With the elements in this song I really want to say I like this but it's a bit not-exiting tbqh

    Score: 8,1/10

    juliets: Nice beginning but it really picks up for the last minute and a half, that part is great! Can't really relate to the homestuck characters but it's a nice little piece of music!

    Score: 7,8

    Total Score: 7,95/10

    26. chingles2404

    For Good (From "Wicked" Original Broadway Cast Recording/2003)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8YMfgu92hQ

    Dobby: This is like the 5th song from this musical that's been subbed. It's not awful, it's just boring and not my favorite one, sowwy.

    Score: 7,7/10

    juliets: Oh nice catfit! And such a beautiful sentiment in the lyrics, two friends of opposite nature saying "so much of me is made of what I learned from you, like a handprint on my heart". And finally, Menzel and Chenoweth, gorgeous voices. The only thing is I've heard this so much I can't score it as highly as other songs here I've never heard before.

    Score: 8,25

    Total Score: 8,0/10 (7,975)

    25. OTTER

    FFVIII - Blue Fields - Remake #142
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lWvMgU4n8E

    Dobby: This is alright. Not super exciting though. Here are more words.

    Score: 8,15/10

    juliets: So FFVIII! This is a nice arrangement of Blue Fields with the flute and is that a clairnet? Not sure but it's one of the woodwinds. It's very pretty, relaxing, just isn't quite different enough to hold my interest very long.

    Score: 7,9

    Total Score: 8,05/10 (8,025)

    24. Owner 2

    Ashes Remain - Right Here
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPppayJm3zM

    Dobby: This is very much dobby 15y.o music. It's cheesy and stuff, beautiful.

    Score: 8,4/10

    juliets: This song by Christian rock group Ashes Remain is about being there for people in need especially w/r/t mental health crisises. Knowing the meaning of the lyrics made me like this song better than I normally would. The singer is good and I love the guitar but it's the message that makes the song imo.

    Score: 7.7

    Total Score: 8,05/10

    23. shad

    Thunder and Lightning - Girls Just Want to Have Fun (Metal Version)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHYrRSo3REE

    Dobby: Metal cover of the best song ever. I think this was supposed to be a meme sub but joke's on you I enjoy it... ish, lol. I like his singing. I kinda want to sort the different parts of the song in different baskets. Most are actually great, but some are just.. You can hear that the singer just wants to get them overwith so he can have fun again.

    Score: 7,8/10

    juliets: I'm secretly a metalhead, though it has to be the right kind of metal. Gimme gimme gimme some electric guit-ar and metallize a non-metal song! I like this guy whoever he is. Edit: hmmm dobby thinks this is a meme maybe I scored it too high

    Score: 8,4

    Total Score: 8,1/10

    22. soah

    Inferno - Ekstasis Of The Continuum
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrDhN1Tpv60

    Dobby: This is cool, but it makes me really really uneasy lol, the whole wall of sound thing. It's also very long and I kinda lose interest bigtime and kinda want to just be in a happy place instead. I can really see the appeal though.

    Score: 8,0/10

    juliets: Surreal, mournful, oppressive, dank , horror. Cool. "To the superficial observer it will appear like madness.” Can I have a happy meal now? And a milkshake? Hold me.


    Score: 8,2

    Total Score: 8,1/10

    21. ladd

    Boards of Canada - Roygbiv
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nnqGDZnWhU

    Dobby: I've actually had this specific song subbed to me in a previous walrus, back in that rus I valued catfit highly (it was together with nutella tbh), here not as much. It doesn't matter I think score-wise. It's good, not super exciting.

    Score: 8,3/10

    juliets: So peaceful, and rightly so since it's a rainbow. But I was just starting to settle into it and boom! it was over. Turns out joke's on me, the brothers were criticized for it's brevity and their response was "it's exactly a long as it needs to be"! I liked it fine.

    Score: 8,45

    Total Score: 8,4/10 (8,375)

    20. Ibuki Mioda

    Etrian Odyssey Nexus - Music: Waterfall Woodlands (EO3)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4960wOjtCXY

    Dobby: This is actually great, but why repeat it to make it 9min smh.

    Score: 8,45/10

    juliets: Nice violins, piano, flute, electric guitar - all of my faves! And love the build as the song goes on - but why repeat the melody for 9:00 miutes?

    Score: 8,35

    Total Score: 8,4/10

    19. MyNameIsNothing 3

    Capitol K - Pillow
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c0QuzPV3Qo

    Dobby: I've never heard this before but everytime I play it I'm brought back to my playlists first years in uni when I listened to weird indie songs, this fits in perfectly.

    Score: 8,25/10

    juliets: The instrumnetal grabbed me right away to the point I was shocked when the voice came in but I loved that it was a female and male singing together. The instrumental section that starts at about 1:30 is so so cool and then the glitchy section at about 2:35 i loved. This had me boppin around, great energy, adding to one of my playlists for sure!

    Score: 8,8

    Total Score: 8,55/10 (8,525)

    18. staypositivefriend

    Miracles of Modern Science - Dear Pressure
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLAuWLlY6h0

    Dobby: The instrumentation here is really cool and fun, but song as a whole just, kinda has me confused. The ending is good-er and makes up for the verses/opening though.

    Score: 8,65/10

    juliets: You know what's sad? These guys are not making music anymore. Sad. LOVE the strings, so good and something else, like quirky, different. Lyrics also relatable!

    Score: 8,95

    Total Score: 8,8/10

    17. Arete

    Wicked Girls Saving Ourselves
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3fGOfF7ohs

    Dobby: This melody is hype, the singing is great and fun. My only gripe(?) with this one is the segments where there's just name after name, there might be a meaning to it/a relevant context but I'm not much for looking those up :P

    Score: 8,75/10

    juliets: Love that the picture of two girls inspired this song! Immediately loved this ballad about women based on a book about the Salem witch trials. First, the harmonies are so good and I love the way harmony emphasizes certain lines of the verses and chorus. I also love how women from movies/lit/history serve as contrast to the song's message "And the rules that we live by are simple and clear:
    Be wicked and lovely and don't live in fear—". I just really relate to everything about this song. Loved it.

    Score: 9,15

    Total Score: 8,95/10

    16. Johanna

    French 79 - By Your Side ft. Sarah Rebecca
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EWmznNr5d0

    Dobby: Big French 79 fan, have subbed their stuff a few times. This is honestly a hidden gem ish, melody in the chorus might be a bit much after a few listens but it's good tbh.

    Score: 8,8/10

    juliets: Love this electronic pop by French 79! (Check out Diamond Veins if you like this song!) Her voice is gorgeous and can anyone think of a better way to spend time than
    "Let's laugh and lets dance
    With the ones we love"?

    Score: 9,1

    Total Score: 8,95/10

    15. nutella

    Midlake - Young Bride
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTuGhkvlT0I

    Dobby: This is great tbh. It's got good vibes and like "yeah this could be something special". At the point when I'm "poke - do something" it actually goes somewhere else but would've wanted even more the last minutes. If it's going to be almost 5min it needs that to stay interesting throughout. It's good tho.

    Score: 8,95/10

    juliets: There was something about this song that made me search for other versions and what I found was a live version recorded at KCRW which blew me away. The instrumentation on this song is amazing, those drums! That violin! The keyboardist (on the live version)! That electric guitar! I watched it over and over, I was mesmerzied, like i was in a trance. I didn't care for the vocal at first but came to appreciate it after multiple views. Really loved it.

    Score: 9,2

    Total Score: 9,1/10 (9,075)

    14. marmot

    The Shins - Phantom Limb
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkITsv3Nk6M

    Dobby: The Shins are pretty good tbh. This song is too. Can't say I know it very well but with a few listens it feels really nice to listen to tbh.

    Score: 9,2/10

    juliets: Big nostalgia here, my favorite Shins song in a past life, used it when I walked to cool down from a jog because it's so serene. I never paid any attention to the lyrics which were nonsensical to me, who knew it was about high school lesbian love? The song still makes me feel peaceful but it's tough for me to score because I've played it so much!

    Score: 9,05

    Total Score: 9,15/10 (9,125)

    13. Cuthalion

    Harry Styles - Matilda
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVnzO7opqNs

    Dobby: It's funny because I didn't notice this was Harry Styles until after like 4-5 listens. It's actually a really good song (I was gonna write singer-songwriter stuff). It feels nice to listen to this tbh.

    Score: 9,15/10

    juliets: This tugs at my heart hard, reminds me of my best friend. Just so much pain. It's also a perfect cat fit for the picture of the two girls holding hands, creating a bond with each other. Never would have believed this was Harry Styles!

    Score: 9,25

    Total Score: 9,2/10

    12. katze

    Old RuneScape Soundtrack: Garden
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtBigNNwcmo

    Dobby: This one is kinda cheating but god this brought back some good memories. I might be biased but I'm pretty sure RS has the best soundtrack ever.

    Score: 9,4/10

    juliets: FLUTES!!! Also brass and other things but I love the flutes especially the part that starts around 1:55. Also Runescape has 1321 musical tracks (2021), I cannot wrap my head around that! This track is one of the older, original ones, very relaxing! Edit: sowwy no nostalgia for me

    Score: 9,0

    Total Score: 9,2/10

    11. shubaka17

    Shura - the stage (acoustic)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovy3UKvRp6o

    Dobby: Listening to her voice feels nice. Very nice tbh. I keep forgetting about focusing on the song but I also don't care because I love the vibe and the mood it puts me in, combined with the voice. It's not a very dobby sub but hey, it worked.

    Score: 9,1/10

    juliets: Who who who is this?? She is s u b l I m e and the fact that she wants to "spend the evening kissing" makes me like her even more. I liked this song better and better as it went on and as I listened to it multiple times. Sooo nice mmmmmmmm

    Score: 9.4

    Total Score: 9,25/10

    10. PunchyTheCat

    Vampire Weekend - Diane Young
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG6lTQNW04I

    Dobby: I've had a few Vampire Weekend songs in several of my playlists for probably around a decade, this isn't one of those songs. I do really enjoy it though, it's great etc.

    Score: 9,25/10

    juliets: Baby, baby, baby baby right on time! Clever homophone, love the alto sax, and the video is great. Kissing an espresso machine looks fun! This band is great, I'm dancing around the room! What's not to like here?!

    Score: 9,35

    Total Score: 9,3/10

    9. Schiavetto

    CocoRosie - Lemonade
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkN80Y-cBeI

    Dobby: This is like, trying to be björky The vibe is really really cool though. I love how it shifts into the chorus and back. A grower for sure. Only thing that starts getting on my nerves is when the name stuff gets too frequent :P

    Score: 9,0/10

    juliets: Sooo strange and wonderful! The story told in the solemn verses alternating with the upbeat memories in the chorus, so evocative. Piano so good, those occasional very high notes hit the spot. And a great cat fit! Love this song and these women, must have more. Edit: have checked out some live performances, mesmerized by watching them wow

    Score: 9,65

    Total Score: 9,35/10 (9,325)

    8. Bloobird

    Okkervil River - Missing Children
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZFybEIziRI

    Dobby: This is like, eerie, I feel some kind of tension and uh, I think I like it?

    Score: 9,05/10

    juliets: This is totally my thing. The organ at the beginning, the strings, and the voice The discordant section toward the end. So melancholy, so strange, so dark - a perfect fit for the picture imo. It was so short, I played it over and over and over again. Loved. Need to hear the whole album, I’m sure everyone here already has!

    Score: 9,7

    Total Score: 9,4/10 (9,375)

    7. ignoramus

    Oceans of Luma - Teaser Music (Furality Online Xperience)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri52cauvx_0

    Dobby: Who doesn't like strings tbh. I really like the orchestral stuff here and the mood it sets. I hate that it's too short but it's honestly kinda smart because it has me playing the sonk over and over again.

    Score: 9,35/10

    juliets: Where have I heard this before? It gives me goosebumps, it's beautiful. That piano!! This guy Hiyu is swedish! Betting dobby will like this one too.

    Score: 9,5

    Total Score: 9,45/10 (9,425)

    6. Ampharos

    Against me! - Joy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GFGjGcJs_g

    Dobby: Initially, the singing was a bit annoying, but a bit into the song and especially on relisten, the singing fits, and song kinda slaps.

    Score: 9,5/10

    juliets: Wow. I don't know what to say. I'll try though - maybe my favorite song of this category. A perfect moment, blink and it's gone. So uplifting. I fell down a rabbit hole and listened to many of her songs, watched interviews, love her. A joy in every possibility, thank you Laura Jane Grace and thank you for sharing this “person who subbed it”. This was my #1

    Score: 9,95

    Total Score: 9,75/10 (9,725)

    5. wiggium

    Modèle Mécanique - Dark of the Moon


    Dobby: Am I supposed to know this band? :P I don't, this slaps, I love like pretty much all elements in it, the tempo, the progression, etc etc. Listening to it feels goooooood.

    Score: 9,85/10

    juliets: Hey! Another song I know! Wasn’t this in a reveal recently? I loved it when I first heard it and I still do but it’s no longer unique for me. Idk, am I being too hard on it? It is really cool.

    Score: 9,6

    Total Score: 9,75/10 (9,725)

    4. Visorslash

    ANNAKA - Крила


    Dobby: This is a really cool catfit tbh. The vibe in the song has me hooked from the beginning. It's an... uncommon type of sub, but it really works for me and ticks a lot of boxes. (also the language is ukraininan which is also really cool :P ). There's a uh. I have no idea to describe why I like this. Imagine a cashmere/silk/smth shawl lightly dragged across your neck/back/arms. Kinda like that. It feels good to listen to and with every listen it gets better.

    Score: 9,7/10

    juliets: First song I listed to and i was IN LOVE. The electronic dance rhythm got me right from the start and then her voice - beautiful. Adding to my playlists RIGHT NOW! Edit: have listened over and over to this, have I robbed it?
    I guess a 9,8 can't be a rob. Just missed my podium

    Score: 9,8

    Total Score: 9,75/10

    3. vanity.

    Max Cooper - Swarm


    Dobby: This is bleeps and bloops but not the non-exciting too-calm type, it's got a nice beat and it's interesting and I love it.

    Score: 9,8/10

    juliets: Did dobby sub this?? It's sooooo dobbycore, great, smart sub - the base layer of the beat and the rhythmic boops, each layer coming in to add complexity, the build to the end - and then it's gone. It's beautiful from the first note to the last. I wanted it to go on and on AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

    Score: 9,75

    Total Score: 9,8/10 (9,775) + 0,3 = 10,1

    2. Kane #2

    Scissor Sisters - Return to Oz


    Dobby: I think I've only heard a couple of songs from this band other than that really annoying one. This sonk is really really good though. I'm not sure if the lyrics qualify as corny but I've decided the answer is no, the melodies in this are awesome. This is the designated "I kept raising the score with every listen" sub. The melody progression in some parts are amazing.

    Score: 9,75/10

    juliets: What what what is this??! I'm obsessed with it! I found a live version and keep playing it again and again. That guitar at the end, that piano at the end, the whole last verse, the crazy lyrics about drugs. Didn’t see the movie but the song is so so good. This is #3 on my podium!

    9,85

    Total Score: 9,8/10 + 0,6 = 10,4


    1. MyNameIsNothing 1

    Emeralds - Candy Shoppe


    Dobby: This is hype. This is more dobbycore than actual dobbycore. I'm in love with it. There are a lot of similar songs in the top here that could all easily have been top placed, I landed on this one as first because I found myself replaying it a lot more than the others. It's not too standouty/experimental, and it doesnt go boring or repetitive at any point, and I love like all elements in it. And the build is pog.

    Score: 9,95/10

    juliets: AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH nice electronic! Tech House? Synthwave? Who cares it's sooo smooth and nice. I love how it changes as it goes along, almost like things aren’t being added but different “instruments” are being emphasized at different times. That probably makes no sense to anyone but me lol. Relaxing, soothing, will listen many more times. Love. #2 on my podium!

    Score: 9,9

    Total Score: 9,95/10 (9,925) + 1,0 = 10,95
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    Sticky: I think big part of the issue is that some people...

    Quote Originally Posted by Art3mis (#279)
    Quote Originally Posted by roro__b (#278)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zack (#277)
    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#260)
    i don't disagree with this post, but i think the answer is just to care about the spirit of the rules not the letter of the rules

    you clearly have to take more aggressive action

    put up a disclaimer in spec chat: this is moderated in a harsher manner than other chats, be mindful of the way you talk about people in this chat or you will find yourself swiftly removed

    i don't think you should care about whether someone explictly broke the rules, just say this is the way we are running spec chat from now on

    don't infract people, just kick em

    let em back in afterwards if you decide it wasnt as bad, but take action first, beg forgiveness later

    idk if it'd work but worth trying


    I think there is something to the idea of spec chat being a privilege and not a right
    Out of experience, it doesn't work. I'm not sure what the right description of it is without being a jerk about it, but for every small action in moderator capacity that's done, the reactions will be hundred times stronger. Kicking someone from specchat is a huge deal and will have a lot of people reacting to it one way or the other, and each added time that happens, its going to get worse, because what mods consider to be where the line is drawn, even if it's carefully communicated, people, even other than the person kicked, will be mad about it and even though most people agree on the rules, the ones that.... dislike Moderators in general, are the ones that over and over seem to be the loudest. Enforcing rules is $%#!ing hard and extreme thankless/unappreciative, unless having people $%#!ting on you personally and as a group is something you want. Just increasing the amount of people working with it won't solve the problem.
    Seems to me the fix there is keep kicking until people get the message that this is supposed to be fun, not "$%#! on player x time" which spec chat often devolves into, even if it is in the guise of "constructive criticism."

    So if someone is getting too rowdy or too aggressive they get kicked from spec. People then get butthurt that "you kicked Frankie The Friend" from spec chat, they get kicked too. Keep kicking until the people left are the ones that actually are there to have a good time and can understand that "being a loud $%#!head" isn't acceptable at MU.

    Like no offense your answer reads "it's hard therefore we're not going to do it" and I get that moderating is at absolute best a thankless job and at worst physically and mentally health threatening. But at the end of the day it is the job of the moderation team to moderate the site, which to me extends to spec chat.

    And we know that vitriol and hyper-attention to flaws, perceived misplays, etc, is something that spec chat thrives upon, so removing those things makes chat more fun for the people who remain.

    And if spec chat is that toxic (and I believe it is, or at least can be) then spec chat can go away and "community" be damned.
    I think big part of the issue is that some people are regarding mods as police rather than a part of the community trying to make things as nice and fun as possible for everyone. Nobody signed up for being a police/parenting fellow users, and that shouldn't be how moderating works.
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    Sticky: Out of experience, it doesn't work. I'm not sure...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack (#277)
    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#260)
    Quote Originally Posted by roro__b (#187)
    - toxicity in spec chat can't be modded more than it has been previously. Being "on top of things" as mods constantly doesn't really work. A lot of people in the community are very... vocal, and have strong opinions on stuff. If those opinions are about how bad someone has done, or just criticism on how someone has behaved in a game, or whatever, it's going to be contributing to a $%#!tier general tone in specchat. Mafia players by nature like to have and express opinions on stuff. Negativity from a few people shines through, and naturally some people will want to react to stuff written, and there goes a discussion. At all given points of time you can count on like, at least 5 Moderators reading every message and wondering where to draw the line, but when nobody is intentionally being a douchebag and/or knows/doesn't know where the line is drawn, you can't just modhat on and go "stop it, everyone, now" unless it's really crossing the line. And usually the people involved aren't really writing posts that can be singled out as "this is breaking the rules". And for every post/person/discussion that gets moderated, it leads to a multiple of that number, of people, that get upset and/or express discontent in one way or another, and that itself fosters the negative negativity loop that we see a lot of.
    i don't disagree with this post, but i think the answer is just to care about the spirit of the rules not the letter of the rules

    you clearly have to take more aggressive action

    put up a disclaimer in spec chat: this is moderated in a harsher manner than other chats, be mindful of the way you talk about people in this chat or you will find yourself swiftly removed

    i don't think you should care about whether someone explictly broke the rules, just say this is the way we are running spec chat from now on

    don't infract people, just kick em

    let em back in afterwards if you decide it wasnt as bad, but take action first, beg forgiveness later

    idk if it'd work but worth trying


    I think there is something to the idea of spec chat being a privilege and not a right
    Out of experience, it doesn't work. I'm not sure what the right description of it is without being a jerk about it, but for every small action in moderator capacity that's done, the reactions will be hundred times stronger. Kicking someone from specchat is a huge deal and will have a lot of people reacting to it one way or the other, and each added time that happens, its going to get worse, because what mods consider to be where the line is drawn, even if it's carefully communicated, people, even other than the person kicked, will be mad about it and even though most people agree on the rules, the ones that.... dislike Moderators in general, are the ones that over and over seem to be the loudest. Enforcing rules is $%#!ing hard and extreme thankless/unappreciative, unless having people $%#!ting on you personally and as a group is something you want. Just increasing the amount of people working with it won't solve the problem.
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    Thread: Tilgarial, AMA!

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