I'm still in as Weedle
Type: Posts; User: Boquise
I'm still in as Weedle
I want to nominate LanMisa as most enjoyable.
LanMisa is always fun to play with, regardless if we are the same alignment or not. Imo he brings an important positive aspect to each game he plays. Also a person who is easy to cooperate with in a hydra acc.
Furthermore, Lan is graceful in both defeat and victory. Primary example is Anni, where Lan, playing as his alt Naoto, showed an impressive wolf play, won after openwolfing, and kept being a good sport afterwards. When you win despite open wolfing the village, there is a certain allure to show some schadenfreude. Lan was chill instead. Post game also included criticism of a wolf role (some criticism being unfair), and whilst one could goad villager salt, Lan discussed instead. Considering that some criticism was unfair, it is easy to respond in kind. Lan's approach and demeanour in both games and post games decreases toxicity. That's why he is the most enjoyable player on this site. Good team player; good opponent; good sport. Always a friend on MU discord tbh.
Wolfy title tbh
Am speechless. Thanks for the noms peeps
tho i think you are a bit too modest with the luck bit tbh
On behalf of Weedle, Boquise thanks Grug for his very kind words tbh.
Boquise has a nice meme idea if he plays a champ again, and it is addicting, but he will reconsider tbh!
oops wrong account
Guys i dont feel like puking anymore so i will puke some text
Dawg, I understand that you are upset (I understand why everyone not advancing feels upset; I have been there in S3 - it hurts, stings.), and I understand that you feel like there has been a mean-spiritedness in spec. People can sometimes be cruel, but most often they do not think of the ramifications jokes can have on the subject. That is why I want to be clear here. I thoroughly enjoyed your posts and play on an entertainment level. One of the best times in the jury chat was during G5 D1 and D2 where you went ham. I don't know how much of your posts you amped up, but I enjoyed reading most of your stuff. To me, the entertainment aspect is what makes champs worth it to throw away vacation hours at. Not sure if this helps though.
This concludes this season's jurying. We jurors will be sit in both spec and our own chat and talk about the semis and the upcoming finale when our next champion is crowned. I am personally hoping for some fire memes (atm Jack is leading, fyi). It has been a huge time sink with, on my end, sacrificing several important irl projects and vacation recovery (+ headaches for like a week and worse sight ), and it was worth it. When Alexa told me I had 341 pages in the jury chat I felt like a huge big nerd Reading each game has been both fun and frustrating. With each post read I have felt more and more big brain! I hope that this exercise has helped me improve as well as a player, because I have seen several sick plays and interesting solve approaches.
I want to thank my fellow jurors. It has been a great time. Like when Wisdom and I vc'd about some qualis to like 2 am or something. It was a privilege to be able to talk about this whole circus in my first language tbh and I appreciate Wisdom's wisdom tbh. All the debates, both the intense and the low-key ones. The ridiculous amount of effort people have done, especially during the homestretch. It isn't a meme that collectively we have put in around 2000 hours into this work, nor that we finished 15 min before reveal. I have got to work side by side with people across the world that I normally would not, and that has been very stimulating and rewarding.
It was, for an example, really nice when I felt lost about some players to be able to look at Alexa's well-written ISOs. She was impressively thorough and a great sanity check. We also wrote our notes in a shared doc, so I was able to cross-reference my own notes easily, like with Hornet's. JohnCarter and I started off having opposite opinions on almost everything - and the cool part is how those debates could be used later down the road and that our opinions became aligned. As a language teacher, I always encourage my students to voice different opinions in a constructive discussion (without being afraid of being a bit intense - balanced intensity is good!) and it doesn't stop being a valuable exercise. I cherish those debates. Obviously it is also fun agreeing with someone, and, to my surprise, Katze and I were pretty in sync. That was hype tbh.
Another nice exercise was to voice chat with Holy, Vandy and Thunal. It was an effective tool to be able to share a post on everyone's screen and discuss it, then follow the author's progression. Holy, I and Vandy did use cams and it was a pretty cozy feeling sitting and talking about mafia and stuff. Had like a "friends at a bar"/"amateur detective" feel. I am also happy that the jurors felt both encouraged and that it was worth it to discuss and bring up players until the very last hour. People are busy and it can be hard to squeeze in mafia nerding into the schedule, with that said, I was impressed by Holy's, vandy's vanity's and Thunal's GOATing in their respective channels. And that I could harass them with pings for their takes and they did not get angry at me tbh. As I write this sentence, vanity heckled me in jury chat. I appreciate that too tbh. Honestly. No anger at all tbh. I am fine. Absolutely ok.
...Why am I writing this? Because I want 1) my fellow jurors and the community to know how much I have appreciated this long and gruesome journey. 2) Inspire but also prepare S10's jury. It is hard work. 3) Everyone is different and value different things, and have different availability. That was true for S9 (and for S6 ftr), and will be true for you. You will clash on things. Some of you will be able to pour down 100 hours into this project, some of you will be able to do it maybe 20 hours, and some won't have any time at all. That is fine. Value each other and remember: this is play, not war. It is fun!
Also I will be hosting one of the semis and that will be fun tbh.
See you, space cowboy... so long and thanks for all the fish!
Congrats Katze for advancing!
G3 too stronk
Nice picks gj jury tbh
I wonder who will advance in G6 tbh
congrats cobalt tbh
noo i missed an [
THE JURY REVEAL
Hi everyone, it’s the Season 9 Jury here.
What a few months of qualifiers it has been, thank you for taking the time to either participate, spectate, host, or simply be a supportive community. Now, as the qualifiers have come to an end, we, the jury, have finished our work to determine who has a chance to continue to the semi-final round.
This year, the jury had a record 29 people to offer a semi-final spot to. 29. You may be thinking that that is a huge number of people, as we did at the beginning of the season! We can speak as a collective here when we say the following: more than 29 people have shown enough skill to be a deserving contender in semi-finals. Nonetheless, the following are about to be announced: the 29 advancement slots, an additional 9 substitution slots, and a further 9 backup substitution slots.
Before all of these players are announced, we would like to take a lengthy moment to make several points absolutely crystal clear.
The jury will not be providing individual reasoning or feedback for each player.
We have collectively spent approximately 2000 hours on this process.
As alluded to in our pre-season message, we are a collective of different people. Although our opinions differed, our conclusions are the same, and the following names that are to be presented are final and represent the season 8 jury as a whole.
Below, we are going to outline some brief points on our process, as this is something that may offer some insight and/or closure for those who are impacted by our decisions.
We were blessed to have such a diverse jury from the start. As early as a few weeks after our own finale game finished, many ideas were explored regarding how we could sort through the 100+ season 9 players. After some discussion, a preliminary system was developed such that we could classify players into a number of categories. These categories were easily visible to ensure that we could comfortably note a snapshot of how the group as a whole felt about a certain player.
This system allowed every player the same space to be judged, and every juror the same space to judge.
Regardless of whether a juror followed a game in real-time, read the game fully in post-game, or isolated each individual player, we generally had a group discussion shortly after each game. It became apparent that often those players who were viewed as a ‘no-brainer’ advance for some, were viewed as the opposite for others.
What we valued
Often these differences in opinion would lead into holistic discussion on what each of us valued from a player. Here are just some of the many attributes that were discussed and we valued across alignments:
-B]Reasoning[/B] - did the player present solid reasoning for their actions?
-Impact - did the player have a positive or negative impact on their alignment, either directly or indirectly?
-Teamwork - did the player work with their alignment to give themselves the best chance to succeed?
-Results - did the player contribute to objectively successful results for their alignment?
-Flexibility - every game required being flexible, how did the player cope? Was the player able to re-evaluate and adapt when new information was presented to them?
Furthermore, we often found ourselves deliberating on how someone's alignment related to our perception of their overall skill. After all, we were following the same criteria as the qualifiers in determining overall skill.
Developing a System
As a result of our categorization system, we found that some players were widely considered to be guaranteed a spot to advance. These players were never locked in, but were consensus enough to save us some time down the track.
These consensus players only represented a small number of the 100+ qualifiers that remained in contention for a semi-final spot. Naturally, perception of skill in Mafia/Werewolf can be both subjective and objective, so the clear consensus was small. We found that we could largely group remaining players into a further three bloated groups, somewhat resembling the groups that we will be announcing today.
Another question that we encountered related to how we dealt with our biases. We knew and had played with many of the qualifiers. Some of us didn’t like certain playstyles. As a group, we were happy for individuals to simply acknowledge the potential for bias and still contribute to discussion. This did not pose an issue for us, other than initially determining how we could come to terms with it.
As qualifiers came to a close, we opted for our own approach on how to really crunch the numbers.
A Top Down Approach:
To us, a top down approach was the segway between making our initial judgements, and forming a group consensus. From the top, we worked our way down - targeting more agreed upon people first. We discussed some of the aforementioned valuable attributes, and how they related to not only those in the game, but also the other 120 qualifying players.
In many instances, a single juror could convince the group that someone was a deserving contender to participate in the semi finals. In other cases, a single juror may have had a unique view that wasn’t enough to counter the other jurors who were on a different page. Nonetheless, through categorization, we were able to come to a consensus agreement on almost every player.
Although the top down approach and categorization solved many of our problems, we encountered others. In some instances, there was a direct split on a player; in others, we had polarized views on what the same behavior represented. In some cases, these players required days of continued discussion, followed by even more days of continued discussion. In the occasional instance, we agreed to disagree and settled on either an informal vote for one player over another, or simply figuring out an ‘average’ view relative to other players.
Through all of these steps, thousands of hours and pages of discord discussion culminated in a list that represented what we as a jury valued. Our work was done… about 20 minutes ago!
And so, the season is now in your hands:
We the jurors can all agree it has been a long few months. But it has also been rewarding. Often we have reflected on our own games. We’ve celebrated small wins and experienced the lows. But, with our final list ready to be revealed by the amazing (and frozen) Lissa, our work was done. Thank you @Arapocalypse and @Lissa for the ongoing support and presence in the jury chat. Thank you to each juror for any amount of time dedicated to this process. The season is now entirely in the hands of season 9 players to shape how they see fit.
We would like to wish the season 9 semi-finalists good luck in this championship. All the best.
A message to the people of Mafia Universe
good shot tbh
y u murder me insomnia tbh
let it rand tbh
dz prolly town for having a slight scum read on me
claas doesnt feel as pointed to solving rn
tbh we cannot vote out someone named Mr Turtle at D1.
hej herr sköldpadda
##Vote Mr. Turtle