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    Game Thread not for anything rn, just in general

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#3367)
    schwepps wolfy
    not for anything rn, just in general
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    Game Thread schwepps wolfy

    schwepps wolfy
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    Game Thread Aldo

    ##Vote Aldo
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    Game Thread Abraxas

    ##Vote Abraxas
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    Game Thread remember when Aldo pretended to have meta on...

    remember when Aldo pretended to have meta on Hallia for 47 hours


    lol xD
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    Game Thread :o

    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#3333)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#3320)
    matt is simultaneously townie and super performative so that's fun
    the real doo doo is me not apoc
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    Game Thread who hasn't voted abraxas in the last 5 minutes ...

    who hasn't voted abraxas in the last 5 minutes

    Feels like only ppl who are AFK

    lol
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    Game Thread Aldo do what we did for Abraxas, but with...

    ##Vote Aldo


    do what we did for Abraxas, but with aldo


    gogogo
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    Game Thread how did matt wagon get so big that's the one...

    how did matt wagon get so big


    that's the one i dont really understand tbh
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    Game Thread Haze with a Z

    ##Vote Haze with a Z
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    Game Thread lol, well played to wolves if they flash wagoned...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#3275)
    The Great Nintendo SMASH! 25'er Day 1 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    8 Abraxas Prince J (238), Haze with a Z (124), niphredil (15), bladescape (115), Ace Marvel (124), lilypetal (239), Apoc (122), ZanderisTown (226)
    5 Haze with a Z DJ Eternal (19), Garden Gnome (53), Meat Loaf (229), Michelle (118), Hegel (111)
    4 matt Schweppes (147), CrimsonFox (159), wiggles1993 (41), Hallia (117)
    4 wiggles1993 Abraxas (29), hollowkatt (63), Aldo (96), matt (250)
    2 Aldo Porscha (127), NANOOKTHECONQUEROR (31)
    1 NANOOKTHECONQUEROR DoctorZeus (103)
    1 Not voting 4maskwolf (175)

    View Vote History

    Day 1 ends at 6:01 PM EST on Tuesday, November 29th, 2022. There are 1669762920000 remaining.
    lol, well played to wolves if they flash wagoned this as WIFOM


    also well played to wolves if they flash wagoned him because he's a villager


    anyway


    lets do something else now maybe idfk
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    Game Thread Abraxas

    ##Vote Abraxas
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    Game Thread what does the strong contendor shortlist look...

    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Loaf (#3246)
    I really don't care who flips at this point or who their alignment is. We clearly caught mafia today it's just a matter of sorting through it all. We REALLY should start by chopping someone who was a strong contender and not a CFD but y'all do you.
    what does the strong contendor shortlist look like iyo?
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    Game Thread let the chaos wash over you its fun!!

    Quote Originally Posted by bladescape (#3186)
    I remember why I like smaller games tbh.
    let the chaos wash over you

    its fun!!
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    Game Thread just so i can see your reads easier purple are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Loaf (#3093)
    What's the quote about @Apoc?
    just so i can see your reads easier

    purple are wagoned ppl
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    Game Thread Schweppes i forgot schweppes exists

    ##Vote Schweppes

    i forgot schweppes exists
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    Game Thread maybe he's just mellowed out idk I guess that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#3224)
    I think Abraxas is trying to imitate his town game but without any of the passion


    I'm not annoyed when he says I'm defending wiggles. I should be annoyed.
    maybe he's just mellowed out idk

    I guess that would be nice
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    Game Thread I think Abraxas is trying to imitate his town...

    I think Abraxas is trying to imitate his town game but without any of the passion


    I'm not annoyed when he says I'm defending wiggles. I should be annoyed.
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    Game Thread is it too soon to wagon nanook?

    is it too soon to wagon nanook?
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    Game Thread Aldo

    ##Vote Aldo
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    Game Thread good AtE wiggles i think they bought it

    Quote Originally Posted by wiggles1993 (#3188)
    WHAT THE $%#! YOU GUYS I AM LITERALLY A STUPID $%#!ING VILLAGE ALIGNED PLAYER
    good AtE wiggles

    i think they bought it
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    Game Thread well thats dumb

    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#3180)
    Quote Originally Posted by Haze with a Z (#3174)
    Quote Originally Posted by matt (#3168)
    WHAT THE $%#! YOU GUYS I AM LITERALLY A STUPID $%#!ING VILLAGE ALIGNED PLAYER
    You are my CW though
    im not gonna self pres i do not want to vote you
    well thats dumb
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    Game Thread talk about one player vote another wolfy...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#3181)
    this matt wagon is silly i just wanted to see where it would go


    ##Vote Abraxas
    talk about one player

    vote another


    wolfy vote by me. CFD imo
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    Game Thread this matt wagon is silly i just wanted to see...

    this matt wagon is silly i just wanted to see where it would go


    ##Vote Abraxas
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    Game Thread how am i supposed to kill wiggles when he isnt...

    how am i supposed to kill wiggles when he isnt pushing villagers (that i can tell...)
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    Game Thread you saying they post well under pressure i...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#3149)
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Loaf (#3133)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#3123)
    @Meatloaf

    Aldo posts like a wolf

    idk what to tell you man xD
    I don't... disagree. What are you replying to here? I've missed something.
    idk really
    you saying they post well under pressure

    i didnt see it

    /shrug
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    Game Thread idk really

    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Loaf (#3133)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#3123)
    @Meatloaf

    Aldo posts like a wolf

    idk what to tell you man xD
    I don't... disagree. What are you replying to here? I've missed something.
    idk really
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    Game Thread matt

    ##Vote matt
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    Game Thread @Meatloaf Aldo posts like a wolf idk what...

    @Meatloaf

    Aldo posts like a wolf

    idk what to tell you man xD
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    Game Thread i would not recommend claiming for any reason in...

    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo (#2940)
    OK I'm gonna have to reveal my hand
    i would not recommend claiming for any reason in this setup


    do something villagery
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    Game Thread Haze with a Z

    ##Vote Haze with a Z
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    Game Thread View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Loaf (#2843)
    I am going to make one post this EOD due to the fact that it's 8am and I have to leave to drop kids off at school and go to work. Also because I sense this is going to be an EOD full of ate and rather unenjoyable and I'd rather spare myself.

    I think this has been a good and productive day 1. We have forced the mafia to either slank or commit to reads one way or another so this day 1 will be a good source of retrospective analysis, so utilise it. We made legitimate wagons that we can retro-analyse, and I even think we have a wolf or two in them.

    Here is my final legacy in case I die. I think this game has a mix of players that I have strong ability to read and those who I would not trust my own ability to read and so I've placed an asterisk next to those who I have had a decent history of reading well and elaborate where I feel that I have not explained the read yet, or well.

    Confident Town

    lilypetal*
    Prince J
    Porscha*

    Lesser Town

    ZanderisTown

    bladescape*

    NANOOKTHECONQUEROR* - Nanook might still be mafia, but he has not been "pro-wolf" as yet, which in itself is pro-town because Nanook tends to play the game pretty close to optimal for his alignment (with the exception of telegraphing his alignment as town). He would probably be trying harder to be townread if he was mafia.

    Hallia - I have updated this read to town based on the fact that they are most likely to be spewed town and/or town by proxy of the reads of other town. I don't see it, but it's just likely to be the case.

    wiggles1993* - I think Wiggles has abundant town solving mindset in a very small pool of content which should result in him surviving the day. He has given enough content to solve later at worst.

    Schweppes*

    DoctorZeus*

    Hegel* - Lucy is not hitting their town notes all that strongly, but they are also not at all hitting wolf notes. So ...


    4maskwolf - I am not entirely sure what to make of 4mask in this game. They have a "playing cards close to their chest" kind of feeling to their play, but when they have actually felt like projecting their mindset in a way I can perceive, it has been a town one.

    Michelle* - Michelle's day 1 has been essentially a hollowkatt tunnel and mac shield. If HK is not mafia, they will need to be scrutinised though it doesn't make her lock mafia.

    Slight town lean

    Aldo - I think Aldo's posting under pressure has been townie. They can still be wolf, but they earned this townlean. I wouldn't want them to die today now that they have actually made reads and shown some intent.

    hollowkatt* - It is a very light lean. Hollowkatt is usually a much easier read for me than this so I have some cause for concern there.

    Ace Marvel* - The ate is probably just indicative of them being town even though their play has been weird.

    DJ Eternal - The small amount of posts they have made have lacked any real pings.

    Garden Gnome* - Has been fluffy and warm which is townie for Gnome ... but kinda solving in a way that has me a bit sus. Like too much awareness?


    Slight wolf lean

    Apoc - Apoc has not felt right to me. Their solving spurt was the highlight obviously but the outcomes feel wrong. They don't seem to be reading the game I am reading.

    Abraxas - Not for the slanking, but they have had no posts where I've been like "yeah there's obvious town Abraxas". Like they are trying to hit their notes "aggression, big game hunting etc" but are held back by their alignment and fear.

    Strong wolf

    matt - Just can't get down with Matt's pushes. I could just be reading the game bad, but from my vantage point he has been pretty much just trying to find the optimal miselim.

    haze with a z - I have no real experience with Haze outside of reading them in other games, but their townplay is usually pretty easy to see. They feel like a wolf in antispew and who has no idea what to do given the pressure they're under.

    niphredil -

    crimsonfox - I tried to townread CFox but they are coming off similarly to Matt and APOC to me. The kicker was the fact that they came back to the thread having not posted in what must have been 500 posts or more and buried me with "mac only cares about mob mentality which is wolfy" as though they have an actual thread understanding, but then immediately revealed they haven't even read posts. Who pushes agenda against me when I'm powertowning, in a wishy washy way like that, without even fact checking? The worst part is that my latest CFox read on them was that they were town so I can't even just give them a pass for being OMGUSSY. It's just scummy.
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    Game Thread sounds opportunistic to me :p

    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Loaf (#2949)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#2936)
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Loaf (#2239)
    Matt is just clearly mafia at this point. I see no sense in dwelling on it further. He has been trying to figure out an apt savewagon for Aldo for about 18 hours now.

    DZ got townier. Apoc got super townie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Loaf (#2843)
    Slight wolf lean

    Apoc - Apoc has not felt right to me. Their solving spurt was the highlight obviously but the outcomes feel wrong. They don't seem to be reading the game I am reading.
    Abraxas - Not for the slanking, but they have had no posts where I've been like "yeah there's obvious town Abraxas". Like they are trying to hit their notes "aggression, big game hunting etc" but are held back by their alignment and fear.

    I made no posts between these posts


    you ok bub?
    I hadn't finished reading your catch up when I said you had got super townie. By the end of it I had changed my mind on how I felt about it.
    sounds opportunistic to me

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    Game Thread this feels like the kind of thing to save for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Loaf (#2943)
    Quote Originally Posted by Haze with a Z (#2553)
    Quote Originally Posted by Prince J (#2550)
    Quote Originally Posted by Haze with a Z (#2547)
    Should I not have come when called? I woulda just been playing candy crush while not shooting otherwise
    It means you are being more proactive and attentive then Wiggles which makes me want Wiggles>You more from my PoE.
    I read your post the opposite way as in I am sus for coming and I shoulda just been silent like wiggles.
    Quote Originally Posted by Haze with a Z (#2569)
    I hate how avatar bias makes me want to not vote aldo.

    Although tbh the only thing I remember from wiggles was a naked vote that told people to pile on someone with them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Haze with a Z (#2845)
    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Gnome (#2833)
    Quote Originally Posted by Haze with a Z (#2815)
    You could always do the informed thing of not voting me because I am informing you that I am town. I'm not a wolf, and you know there can't be 3p in the game. Unless prince lied to me there. But I doubt it.
    Could you tell me why you're still voting meatloaf, basically for no reason? That makes it look like you don't care if you get yeeted because you're not making an effort to self pres.

    If you were to vote one of the top wagons, who would you prefer to vote and why do you scum read that player?
    I would vote wiggles if that would save me and then aldo

    And I still have 40 whole min to self pres so don't worry, my vote will end up there eventually
    Quote Originally Posted by Haze with a Z (#2886)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hegel (#2883)
    Quote Originally Posted by Haze with a Z (#2875)
    right now, in general, or at eod?

    right now no, in general yes, and at eod yes unless massive wagon change
    eod, and I mean to ask do you have a preference
    my preference is wiggles and ill be voting there by eod unless I need to go elsewhere for self pres
    I am an addict.

    This progression on Wiggles from Haze is pretty much just opportunism. The contrast between the way they are handling Aldo and Wiggles is obvious. Haze had no desire whatsoever to self pres when Aldo was the option, as soon as Wiggles was the option they suddenly have a preference of Wiggles going over despite having said literally nothing whatsoever about Wiggles, and engaging with them none. They are now acting like their read on Wiggles is anything but rand. Which it cannot be. So they are falsifying the confidence they have in the read entirely.
    this feels like the kind of thing to save for after we get info on wiggles or Aldo

    rather than a reason to kill Haze...but I guess if Haze flips wolf we can kill Aldo.


    still, i didnt think his ISO was terrible


    doesnt seem like the townie people all agree on who the worst posters are
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    Game Thread counterpoint: its wiggles ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Loaf (#2898)
    Quote Originally Posted by wiggles1993 (#2578)
    I could do a lot of analysis but I kinda wanna play the new wow expansion more.

    Giving ace a read I could still see him being wolf.

    I've gone a bit cold on 4mask push.

    Hollow could still be a wolf.

    Aldo posts like a wolf.

    Matt would be my brave guess.

    I felt strongly on bladescape town, lily seems town, if I had to guess Apoc seems town but no confidence in that one.

    I gave Haze a read and didn't feel strong either way and probably wouldn't lynch there.

    I think Prince's attitude towards me is unlikely w.

    Abraxas(20), could probably pop that pimple
    Before I go I just want to point this out again. I will reiterate that this is not usually a post that a wolf at risk of dying who has a wagon makes. It's basically just asking people for votes. There is zero self preservation instinct.
    counterpoint: its wiggles

    counter-counterpoint: I'd like him to live xD
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    Game Thread when i skimmed i didnt see much solving, but i...

    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Loaf (#2994)
    Of all the players that have been wagoned this EOD that have actually posted, Aldo has been the towniest imo.
    when i skimmed i didnt see much solving, but i guess i can recheck
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    Game Thread this is a normal feeling you'll get over it

    Quote Originally Posted by niphredil (#2866)
    i really don't know what to do here tbh
    this is a normal feeling

    you'll get over it
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    Game Thread i have no read on hollowkat. I feel like its...

    i have no read on hollowkat. I feel like its holding me back but im not gonna care for today
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    Game Thread i want to kill nanook every time i read his lazy...

    i want to kill nanook every time i read his lazy posts
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    Game Thread i dont think our reads are that diff Mac but...

    i dont think our reads are that diff Mac

    but whatever i dont know if its important rn
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    Game Thread how could wiggles being present rn affect his...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hegel (#2935)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#2923)
    Quote Originally Posted by Prince J (#2841)
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#2832)
    Wiggles is a pretty strong town yeah.
    This read keep getting stronger for you the more he is not here which makes me "...?"
    in this context

    strong town = good player as town


    not strong townread

    correct me if im wrong
    wait what this is what prince understood??
    how could wiggles being present rn affect his strength as a player?

    seemed obvious to me that Prince misunderstood...idk
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    Game Thread I made no posts between these posts you ok...

    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Loaf (#2239)
    Matt is just clearly mafia at this point. I see no sense in dwelling on it further. He has been trying to figure out an apt savewagon for Aldo for about 18 hours now.

    DZ got townier. Apoc got super townie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Loaf (#2843)
    Slight wolf lean

    Apoc - Apoc has not felt right to me. Their solving spurt was the highlight obviously but the outcomes feel wrong. They don't seem to be reading the game I am reading.
    Abraxas - Not for the slanking, but they have had no posts where I've been like "yeah there's obvious town Abraxas". Like they are trying to hit their notes "aggression, big game hunting etc" but are held back by their alignment and fear.

    I made no posts between these posts


    you ok bub?
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    Game Thread in this context strong town = good player as...

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince J (#2841)
    Quote Originally Posted by 4maskwolf (#2832)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hegel (#2823)
    I'm comfortable with aldo or haze

    is wiggles strong town?
    Wiggles is a pretty strong town yeah.
    This read keep getting stronger for you the more he is not here which makes me "...?"
    in this context

    strong town = good player as town


    not strong townread

    correct me if im wrong
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    Game Thread wiggles is =rand I probably won't kill my...

    wiggles is =rand

    I probably won't kill my irish bro but I won't be surprised what he flips
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    Game Thread gonna just be present and see where that takes me...

    gonna just be present and see where that takes me

    dont feel like more ISOs atp
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    Game Thread #SaveWiggles Abraxas Aldo

    #SaveWiggles

    @Abraxas

    ##Vote Aldo
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    Game Thread Haze is better than Aldo but I'll stop short of...

    Haze is better than Aldo but I'll stop short of defending them in case I look silly

    though I would lean very slight town for D1
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    Game Thread what does name bias even mean

    Quote Originally Posted by Haze with a Z (#498)
    Quote Originally Posted by Prince J (#494)
    @Michelle

    What's a hot take you have?

    @Haze with a Z

    Same question~
    Apoc town.
    Also zander 3p.

    Apoc town is a hot take because i haven't read a single one of their 5 posts so it is just name bias.
    what does name bias even mean
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    Game Thread suppose I'll get an opinion on Haze

    suppose I'll get an opinion on Haze
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    Game Thread good thing i decided to check what time EoD was,...

    good thing i decided to check what time EoD was, because I would definitely have assumed it was 1am or 2am
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