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    Thread: An Announcement

    by JohnCarter
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    Great you'll be sticking around. Unless i'm...

    Great you'll be sticking around.

    Unless i'm mis-reading then this post is around just the types of setups you'd like to run. Nothing to apologise for there. I'd signed up for a few of your setups that I couldn't get to play in the past iirc, variety is great. You do you; but you if you wanna keep hosting, i'd say give it a go every once in a while.
  2. Postgame#429

    Thread: Benneh's finishing overwatch

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    Completed I was Matt

    I was Matt
  3. Postgame#3860

    Thread: Hydra Event 2022: Game 1, Shrek

    by JohnCarter
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    Completed Ggs fam

    Quote Originally Posted by Dedicated Healers (#3852)
    Also as i reported we did have the ability to do a n2 action which was obviously not suppose to happen as it didn't say in the drop down it was taken but we did it still.

    let Quas know when it happened but ya don't think thats suppose to work like that

    Also was overal a fun game thanks for everyone that played yall are a great group of people.

    (Also JC i know your taking a long break was very fun to get a game in with you again before hand hope to see you around still)

    ~ Ruby
    Ggs fam
  4. Postgame#3847

    Thread: Hydra Event 2022: Game 1, Shrek

    by JohnCarter
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    Completed Gg y’all, wp town Can finally take that break...

    Gg y’all, wp town

    Can finally take that break now

    Thanks Vandy for the game x
  5. Completed Also arogame123 for helping get this baby back on...

    Also @arogame123 for helping get this baby back on track 💪
  6. Completed Alright first of all, from a hosting perspective,...

    Alright first of all, from a hosting perspective, thank you @Kuti plz for bringing everyone together here. @iaafr - thanks for the hosting and prompt responses. Very cool.

    Will just keep this brief: the game was very AtE heavy. Let’s just do our best to strive away from that as much as possible (IMO). This takes nothing away from the wolf win, and I am framing it more as a “we can all enjoy games that little bit more THIS WAY”. That’s all.

    @BlueKang - def not the frozen wolf people call you. I was right! Well done leaving things in wolves favour even after your death.

    @Boquise - the town-reads king - thanks for helping me to get Katze. Wasn’t able to follow through but you were a huge asset as usual. Forgive me.

    @Duskfall - was great to meet you. Oopsie for incorrectly wolf-reading you D1/D2, but i’m glad we got to pow-wow on D3. I’ll keep in mind not to wolf read you overtly next time to see if we can establish that connection earlier

    @Holyflare gg as always. Nearly got there on Katze. I was doing my best though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hence the :/ on D5. My bad for bringing it up itg but I don’t think I could’ve done anything differently in this context, maybe i’ll feel different after some reflection time

    @Illwei hope you’re OK??? If/when we play again we can keep similar approaches if that helps.

    @Jackofhearts2005 - welp, didn’t get to play with you for long hehe. Maybe next time???

    @jess - we’ve already talked but i’m glad we gave it a chance when it mattered, and it looks like things would’ve been going for the best! All we needed was one lunch at a time and I knew that we both had it in us as town to do it. That’s alright.

    @katze wpwp. Sorry for cracking the $%#!s about the work thing itg, I should’ve waited and not made a situation where people could get reads from it. But yeah, I was annoyed, but I know you didn’t intend to do so. Gj on another wolf win.

    @Kuti plz again thanks for bringing us all together. It’s too bad we couldn’t see eye-to-eye for the past 3 days of this game. It happens, we can both take some lessons from this I think.

    @lilypetal - as I said in dvc, great game from you, thanks for helping to bring this town back on track, I hope we get to play again in the future.

    @lucy gg and well done on holding onto that town-read on me despite my moment of weakness on D4. Def an asset to town in many ways.

    @Lumi - we’ve talked hehe

    @Macdougall goat as usual, I reckon next time you town-read me D1 though bubs xx

    @NANOOKTHECONQUEROR ggwp - as always appreciate the chill vibe you bring, really good stuff at the best of times, tyty.

    @Porscha - sucks to go that way in D1 but it was still enjoyable for me to play with you, hope it was fun to see this town implode from the sidelines

    @Prince J oopsie, looks like we both incorrectly w-read each other in the end. Maybe we’ll get em next time, I also enjoy your chill

    @Princess Neon - wolf swag. I’ll have to see where I was right on D1 and take a lesson from this. Who knows if i’d have been able to get you if I got katze there.

    @Psycho666Soldier oopsie, sucks that we couldn’t get there in the end. If you have any advice you’d like to offer RE: approach to you, i’ll take it - me to you was 100% of my townie toolbox. Anything further you tell me shall be a new asset.

    @Wisdom ggwp ofc ofc, just do this again when we’re v/v and nothing can stop us!

    @YOLOSWAG nerd

    WP everyone. I’m certainly taking a break in the near future from mafia, but i’ll still vibe around with y’all.
  7. Completed Hmm wolf wins can devolve into salt fests so I...

    Hmm wolf wins can devolve into salt fests so I won’t be too chatty on the topic but

    I think everyone finds it more enjoyable with less ate, that is all.

    I’ll write more words shortly
  8. Completed Only need one wolf per day and there was always a...

    Only need one wolf per day and there was always a way to get Jess town. Not sure how things would’ve gone other than that.


    That was my full town energy on a plate and it wasn’t enough, once again excellent job

    @Wisdom
    @Lumi
    @BlueKang
    @Princess Neon
    @katze
  9. Completed I tried my best to connect with you. You tried...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#12131)
    My reads were all right except jc.

    I'm so mad at myself
    I tried my best to connect with you. You tried very hard at times too. We're all wrong, it's OK.
  10. Completed Yeah, oh well. Did my best! Wolves did well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#12119)
    Katze was basically outed for real
    Yeah, oh well.

    Did my best! Wolves did well.
  11. Completed looool. wp wolves. Quick hammer on katze...

    looool.

    wp wolves.

    Quick hammer on katze would've been goated
  12. Completed 3-3! Yeet.

    3-3!

    Yeet.
  13. Completed Alright well everyone is here apart from Lumi...

    Alright well everyone is here apart from Lumi then.

    No hammer on Katze with 3 votes. There's info there.

    No hammer on me with 2 votes. There's info there.
  14. Completed That's valid

    Quote Originally Posted by jess (#12095)
    actually no im not going to vote and potentially end the game before psycho has even had the chance to check in and when katze has made it clear she isn't able to be here tonight either. it isn't fair.

    proly done posting for the night
    That's valid
  15. Completed What are you afraid of? Do you think Sabi/I can...

    Quote Originally Posted by jess (#12091)
    ##Unvote katze
    What are you afraid of? Do you think Sabi/I can be w/w?
  16. Completed Let's actually extrapolate this. I'm...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#12086)
    Do neither hf and Jess not see jc manipulating yall? Like blatantly?
    Let's actually extrapolate this.

    I'm manipulating HF.

    Therefore HF is town.

    Katze has 3 votes, assuming the game doesn't end that makes Neon a wolf with me. I've arguably 'manipulated' lumi the most out of the other remaining players, that's them off the table given you are saying that the people i'm manipulating (HF, jess, lumi) are town.

    Therefore Psycho is a wolf.

    But Psycho is 100% town right?
  17. Completed I am manipulating them, they're manipulating me....

    I am manipulating them, they're manipulating me. That's called werewolf and all alignments do it. You're manipulating them by saying that i'm manipulating them.
  18. Completed Jess, vote Katze. Kuti plz is here. See what...

    Jess, vote Katze. @Kuti plz is here. See what happens. Take a leap. This is the devil on your shoulder speaking.
  19. Completed I dream of a game where holy/jess/jc town trio...

    I dream of a game where holy/jess/jc town trio find each other after everything that's happened, and bring this game to at least a f3

    Is that what I think is always the case? No. But i'd like it to be
  20. Completed In the world you're town, Lumi is town, Neon is...

    Quote Originally Posted by jess (#12079)
    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#12075)
    Hammer katze and live with the consequences imo
    but do you think that either psycho or sabi are mafia?

    because i am inclined to believe that sabi is probably correct about psycho being town regardless of their alignment, unless we live in an exact world where sabi/psycho are W/W, which i guess is possible but doesn't feel particularly likely to me

    and generally speaking, it is hard for me to view the BK/sabi interactions as being W/W

    so, what is the solve? what team logically makes sense right now? you are trying to convince me that katze is mafia, and i see the logic. i agree that it's good logic. but in a world where i am town, what does the team look like?
    In the world you're town,
    Lumi is town,
    Neon is probably town

    Take your pick - do you reward holy for bringing this game to another day and punish psycho for not doing it? Probably? If psycho is wolf then you can guarentee that sabi is too.


    You didn't offer me a perspective on p#10231, what's your 2 sentence thoughts on it if i'm town?

    Wait... isn't that what Mac said about Sabi/BK on D1?
  21. Completed Genuinely fine with this

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#12075)
    Hammer katze and live with the consequences imo
    Genuinely fine with this
  22. Completed You were the one repeating yourself for 3 days...

    Quote Originally Posted by jess (#12068)
    the current state of things is a net win regardless of katze's alignment because if she is town it will force her to towntell and Do Things like ive been actively expecting her to do for a few phases now
    You were the one repeating yourself for 3 days that the game was better solved by reading backwards and now you're trying to say that it will be a revelation if Katze is wolfy or towny on our third consecutive lylo when you yourself have said that she's been wolfy for at least one of those other 2.

    Take your own advice.
  23. Completed I think the meta stuff is reasonable fhpov,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#12066)
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#12059)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#12053)
    I just have a hard time seeing why wolf bk would pick town neon to tunnel on when he knew I was tring her.

    He knew it wouldn't benefit him.

    I just don't see his wolf motive for that besides hoping it would be distancing for him.
    You are picking the most likely time that a wolf would go "how can I do nothing yet confuse people". I cannot read into your reasoning here.

    You are ignoring Neon's towniness on D5. I cannot read into your reasoning there.

    You know Neon well and I am unable to understand your reasons for wolf-reading Neon now.
    I think Sabi's reasoning is absolutely fine. Neon's read on me was opportunistic given what they had previously said about me and the weak evolution to scum reading me in a poe when sentiment is shifting that way.

    Can't speak for their read on you but it's pretty contrarian to just about everyone else in the thread's view.

    And the meta stuff seems perfectly reasonable too. Neon didn't have any wiggle room whatsoever on their poe and only now (when called out about it) has it been announced that it's shifted to be more open and not include lumi.

    What's difficult to understand about Sabi's perspective here?

    (I think I town read neon possibly but these things are all as of yet loose ends)
    I think the meta stuff is reasonable fhpov, that's about it, I haven't given up on a world that Sabi is town, I am just trying to get her into the right gear regardless of alignment given she's aggressively wolf-sided against me and in a gamestate I know for a fact that wolves have been pushing for me as the ml before katze. Insert disclaimer that this does not preclude me from assessments of me wolf-siding at many points.
  24. Completed I concur

    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Neon (#12060)
    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#12052)
    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Neon (#12050)
    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#12046)
    What is it now?
    Not Lumi

    I'm open to literally anyone else
    Can you expand on why lumi and how your other set in stone poe has changed?
    Mainly cause I don't think Lumi is ever paired with katze
    I concur
  25. Completed You are picking the most likely time that a wolf...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#12053)
    I just have a hard time seeing why wolf bk would pick town neon to tunnel on when he knew I was tring her.

    He knew it wouldn't benefit him.

    I just don't see his wolf motive for that besides hoping it would be distancing for him.
    You are picking the most likely time that a wolf would go "how can I do nothing yet confuse people". I cannot read into your reasoning here.

    You are ignoring Neon's towniness on D5. I cannot read into your reasoning there.

    You know Neon well and I am unable to understand your reasons for wolf-reading Neon now.
  26. Completed Consider this: it is difficult for me to connect...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#12040)
    Like literally neon is night and day from mafia misplay.

    There's been no solving or exploring from her in the late game when she usually does do $%#! like that.

    I'm sorry neon but you know I'm right. You aren't playing like town neon during limlo.
    Consider this: it is difficult for me to connect with your POV when you haven't shown regard to connect with mine. Do so and we can talk.
  27. Completed jess how about that as a development? You now...

    @jess how about that as a development?

    You now have at least one townie who is saying or implying they will side with me over Katze. Holy, Lumi, Neon.

    Where are the wolves?
  28. Completed Neon, here's an option - vote Katze now with Holy...

    Neon, here's an option - vote Katze now with Holy and I. Sit on it. Force the wolves (like IYO, Jess) to take a stance on that as a development. This helps narrow down other wolves, again, like iyo Jess.

    Or don't, the choice is yours.
  29. Completed Take it from a townie's perspective - I am...

    Take it from a townie's perspective -

    I am near certain that Neon is v for making the katze/jc not w/w read when I cracked the $%#!s on D4. I'm not saying that only wolves are making that read - and I have encouraged people to make it if it involves getting Katze first. But: wolves need that read to persist. Actively going against that is never a pocket on me.

    tl;dr neon is not w/w with katze, and katze is a wolf. ergo, neon is town.
  30. Completed Why is Katze not just spewed clear by BK, now...

    Why is Katze not just spewed clear by BK, now Sabi? Now she's 'idk'? Why's that changed today when it's becoming likely that Katze is going to die?
  31. Completed True RE: first part - why for the second part...

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#12012)

    Katze is a bigger priority and much more likely to be vig.
    True RE: first part - why for the second part (bolded)? This RE: the EOD3 homework?
  32. Completed As a townie, she made probably the best read in...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#12000)
    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Neon (#11997)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#11990)
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#11985)
    Why was her switch on HF wolfy and not just a towny being in the unknown and being either right or wrong?

    Why was your 100% town-read now invalidated for doing things that towns do?
    I reeval her slot.

    Her progression on hf is not from a town mindset.

    Her tunneling and finding opportunistic slots to tunnel is wolfy.

    She dropped her tunnel on me once I was tr and suddenly tunnels spf because of lucy once spf is being sussed. That's not towny.
    That is not why I dropped my tunnel on you and YOU $%#!ING KNOW IT.
    Show me towny neon because end game is when you have always towned it up

    I don't see it.

    Your pov is so narrow in this game atp. It's how you were in hot fuzz.

    You know I'm right.
    As a townie, she made probably the best read in this game in a discussion with Jess yesterday about how being wrong doesn't make someone a wolf. Now this is either me extremely pocketing her, or trying to spewq her wolf, or defending a wolf-mate if you choose to believe that. But regardless of any of that, that was towny neon endgame and it was GOAT.
  33. Completed I understand the pessimsim, but as a townie who...

    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Neon (#11999)
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#11993)
    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Neon (#11988)
    https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/vi...art=50#p952755

    Read SPF in this game. Anyone. Read SPF in this game and tell me where the difference is.

    She is taking this exact play book modifying it slightly and poopooing all over town because everyone falls for her ability to talk her way out of obvious corners like in this game. She is literally using the exact same quotes word for word at times.

    I've specifically been told a couple things about SPF. Judge based on results and only results. Ignore the gaslight and stick to what you see. And if she hasn't produced results and is alive late kill kill kill. I wish I had a gun. If I had a gun with 4 bullets I'd shoot spf 3 times.

    So where am I wrong? The case is there. The dead speak thru me. There's a giant Neon sign pointing at spf and screaming kill me just like in KotH and everyone will continue to ignore it until spf wins the game by killing JC.
    The truth is, I have vested interests in not pooping on SPF too much today regardless, given that doing so decreases the chances that she votes with me onto Katze. Now obviously she'll just not do that as a wolf and hedge tf out of it in that world. But that isn't a certainty for me atm. So i'll do this, and then make a conclusion, but I may sit on it for a bit to check myself further. And then i'll tag you.
    Jess needs to die first. I'm not giving jess more time to wiggle and squirm and convince you all that she is towny so she can win the game.
    I understand the pessimsim, but as a townie who see's that people are leaning on katze first over me, we are in it. Everyone in this game has shown themselves to be very capable, moreso than me in >>>>>>>>>> many instances. I believe that you believe your read. I know that Lucy's was from a genuine place. It won't be forgotten.
  34. Completed This is weak and nothing. Weakness is wolfy in a...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#11990)
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#11985)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#11981)

    I WASN'T WIDELY TOWNREAD TILL YESTERDAY

    JFC

    Lily was threadspewed town since d4.

    Why is neon a wolf? Her switch on hf and her lack of actually reading the game has been wolfy.
    Why was her switch on HF wolfy and not just a towny being in the unknown and being either right or wrong?

    Why was your 100% town-read now invalidated for doing things that towns do?


    I reeval her slot.

    Her progression on hf is not from a town mindset.

    Her tunneling and finding opportunistic slots to tunnel is wolfy.

    She dropped her tunnel on me once I was tr and suddenly tunnels spf because of lucy once spf is being sussed. That's not towny.
    This is weak and nothing. Weakness is wolfy in a gamestate that the town is pushing towards another wolf - Katze.

    She dropped her tunnel on you because of your AtE. That is either a towny mindset or a wolf who decided that she didn't want to hurt her town friend too much. Show me where she started pushing wolf agenda after she 'dropped her tunnel' on you.
  35. Completed The truth is, I have vested interests in not...

    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Neon (#11988)
    https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/vi...art=50#p952755

    Read SPF in this game. Anyone. Read SPF in this game and tell me where the difference is.

    She is taking this exact play book modifying it slightly and poopooing all over town because everyone falls for her ability to talk her way out of obvious corners like in this game. She is literally using the exact same quotes word for word at times.

    I've specifically been told a couple things about SPF. Judge based on results and only results. Ignore the gaslight and stick to what you see. And if she hasn't produced results and is alive late kill kill kill. I wish I had a gun. If I had a gun with 4 bullets I'd shoot spf 3 times.

    So where am I wrong? The case is there. The dead speak thru me. There's a giant Neon sign pointing at spf and screaming kill me just like in KotH and everyone will continue to ignore it until spf wins the game by killing JC.
    The truth is, I have vested interests in not pooping on SPF too much today regardless, given that doing so decreases the chances that she votes with me onto Katze. Now obviously she'll just not do that as a wolf and hedge tf out of it in that world. But that isn't a certainty for me atm. So i'll do this, and then make a conclusion, but I may sit on it for a bit to check myself further. And then i'll tag you.
  36. Completed You know. The fact of the matter is that...

    Quote Originally Posted by jess (#11983)
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#11973)
    Quote Originally Posted by jess (#11966)
    i have been extremely transparent about my thought process regarding katze and JC today, and nobody has engaged with it. if you want to help me solve the game then you should start there instead of implying that i should play recklessly in LYLO and have a stronger reaction to 2 people voting for katze
    I have. And then I did the work you requested RE: Wisdom/Katze. You haven't engaged in that yet. Where else would you like me to engage with you? Or should I shutup and let you work with others so we don't bite each other's heads off again?
    okay fair, you have engaged with me on the wisdom stuff and i haven't responded back to you yet even though i have been reading it. i appreciate the effort regardless of your alignment. i will let you know if i have any more thoughts i want to bounce off of you but will probably just retreat to my own solving bubble for now
    You know. The fact of the matter is that regardless of alignment you've been calling Katze out for pretty much the entire game. And then Aro validated that if you're v then kat is a wolf. Then you turned on it in somewhat understandable circumstanes into D5.

    Regardless of alignment, you were right. Now, fmpov (and this is solely what i'd recommend, you do you) go revisit your reasons as to why you (and aro) were making these reads, then read my reasons Katze is a wolf, then see where those reasons align. EG, one of the reasons you were learning katze, not me, on d4, was because I didn't have many viable partners and that we were likely w/v. My viable partners would have to be the hard defenders of me - wisdom and bk, right? Where else? This type of thing. Again, just my pov. You do you.
  37. Completed Why was her switch on HF wolfy and not just a...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#11981)

    I WASN'T WIDELY TOWNREAD TILL YESTERDAY

    JFC

    Lily was threadspewed town since d4.

    Why is neon a wolf? Her switch on hf and her lack of actually reading the game has been wolfy.
    Why was her switch on HF wolfy and not just a towny being in the unknown and being either right or wrong?

    Why was your 100% town-read now invalidated for doing things that towns do?
  38. Completed Yes, as a psychologist (......) I also am deeply...

    Yes, as a psychologist (......) I also am deeply impacted by AtE which has really been poo poo at times.
  39. Completed I have. And then I did the work you requested RE:...

    Quote Originally Posted by jess (#11966)
    i have been extremely transparent about my thought process regarding katze and JC today, and nobody has engaged with it. if you want to help me solve the game then you should start there instead of implying that i should play recklessly in LYLO and have a stronger reaction to 2 people voting for katze
    I have. And then I did the work you requested RE: Wisdom/Katze. You haven't engaged in that yet. Where else would you like me to engage with you? Or should I shutup and let you work with others so we don't bite each other's heads off again?
  40. Completed FMPOV atm, you don't care about my reading my ISO...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#11959)
    I just don't have the energy and attention span to work on jc iso rn. Words are not sticking to my brain and I'm too busy with diplomacy conversations.

    Will try tomorrow but it will be after my mom gets in since I'm spending all morning cleaning some more.

    Jc right now has been so wolfy I feel like hf and Lumi ignoring his weirdness is straight up off.

    Actually Jess ignored it too.

    Why is no one noticing this
    FMPOV atm, you don't care about my reading my ISO because you thought that after 3 days of tunneling me that people would finally bury me. These townies b good though, it won't happen that easily.

    For the 5th time, why are you alive? Even if it's 'wifom', what is the function? I can answer as to the most plausible, it would be to get you to incorrectly keep v-reading my potential partners. Which would be neon or psycho.

    So why is Neon a wolf?
  41. Completed I feel like Jess!wolf would've considered putting...

    I feel like Jess!wolf would've considered putting w!Katze at L-1 before to prompt cold-feet from people such as Neon, who wolf read Jess, as to the validity of a Katze wagon. Maybe that's reaching but given the whole Wisdom-vote-reaction test on EOD4 it obviously within her range to make this type of 'opportune vote'.
  42. Completed Ignore the AtE part. Now where does your read...

    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Neon (#11952)
    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#11854)
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#11852)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuti plz (#11848)
    You not killing me is wifom.
    Again, I think that is a valid critique for one or two kills. Or three. Four is too much.

    And one of those four would probably land in one of the 100% towns even if it weren't too much.

    Shrug. In mafia you can call anything WIFOM, the chances of this exact scenario happening just be extreme WIFOM either way tbh.

    Won't contest the point further, seems kinda self-explanatory
    At what point was sabi ever a viable kill until specifically tonight??
    I'm willing to entertain it but someone besides me needs to do the work write the case and help me see it because I'm not willing to go thru that again.
    Ignore the AtE part.

    Now where does your read stand?

    I mean, I know the answer and this is a leading question. But given she gives no $%#!s about her and her two 100% town reads being alive it's probably right. Or i'm a wolf who wants you to change your POV yet again. Lolz.
  43. Completed https://thumbs.gfycat.com/VagueNearAyeaye-size_res...

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#11949)
    Quote Originally Posted by jess (#11946)
    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#11944)
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#11940)
    Consider this a post where I would've asked you to keep your vote on but chose not to in order to not come across too demanding
    I would but I fear psycho coming in with some snappy rampage while I'm asleep and I cba.

    Also think Jess is mildly outed by this whole situation.
    @Holyflare - what does this mean?
    As a very vocal anti-katze person who keeps finding one post to back pedal on katze's alignment without actually back pedalling and still keeping it as probably mafia I think you'd be fine with the katze wagon, would have even mentioned literally anything about it yourself without being asked or actually made some kind of read based on it. Seems like you don't really care and that's status quo enabling.

    On a side note I re-read the vote progressions on eod3 and I thought the brigade came out to save sabi but actually now I read it was to save katze and the sabi wagon just happened st a time they were already entrenched in dusk is mafia rhetoric (and bk town reading sabi).

    I suggest other people do the same.


    I will re-read the whole last hour of the day though given both Katze and BK at minimum were wagoned, yes
  44. Completed Neon, thoughts on the Lumi/Holyflare/JC voting...

    Neon, thoughts on the Lumi/Holyflare/JC voting Katze dynamic?
  45. Completed T'was my perspective on the matter. It was a...

    Quote Originally Posted by Princess Neon (#11934)
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#11846)
    Quote Originally Posted by jess (#11843)
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#11839)
    I mean, if I am a wolf, my plan must be exactly this: refuse to kill Sabi and her 100% towns - Psycho and Neon - to try to make them sus each other OR to keep those false reads itt if one of them is wrong.

    Which I think is a valid/plausible explanation for a N3 kill. Or even a N4 kill. But 3 nights in a row, with 4 opportunities to take them out? It's too much.

    And a lack of re-evaluation from Sabi at this is just kinda lame sauce or outting. Pick your poison.

    I take it Psycho will tunnel me again for a 4th day in a row with no regard for this.

    Either way Katze should die, give wolves another 1 or 2 (depending on whether we hit vig) chances to take out 3 100% towns lol

    ##Vote katze
    you never kill neon last night since neon is hard defending you and has your vote today regardless of her alignment. i can see an argument for you killing within sabi/psycho, but i can see a wolfteam with you in it deciding that killing sabi would look outing for you

    so, lily seems like a pretty reasonable kill FMPOV if you are mafia, since lily was fairly tunneled on you and said that you should die next. you can say that lily wasn't part of sabi's 100% townreads, but lily was pretty blatant town and was never going to be mischopped. i don't think it's an unreasonable kill from a W!katze point of view either

    what i'm saying is that if you are mafia, your plan is probably to win my vote and then to get one other town to vote katze within us. this would probably be me and neon if neon happens to be a villager

    you dont need to respond to this post since im just speaking out loud right now
    Neon isn't hard defending me tbh. From your perspective you would think that cause she was like 'loljc town' when you were pushing me.

    But then she voted me afterwards too. So.

    You also don't need to respond to this but worth commenting on


    This is a misrepresentation of that vote and sequence that I find weird
    T'was my perspective on the matter. It was a correct interpretation of the wisdom/jc stuff regardless, we (I) need more of those this game ^_^
  46. Completed Consider this a post where I would've asked you...

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#11937)
    Meh. Will continue the katze decimation tomorrow. Sad lumi unvoted. Might read into it.

    ##Unvote katze
    Consider this a post where I would've asked you to keep your vote on but chose not to in order to not come across too demanding
  47. Completed Katze/Wisdom w/w part DEUX 'Another one'...

    Katze/Wisdom w/w part DEUX


    'Another one'
    AKA another instance of Wisdom using a read on a villa to defend someone. Psycho stonks decrease further.

    Katze mention here doesn't mean much in a vacuum
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#7428)
    I also think Psycho could be town and I doubt he's w/w with Illwei in their positions.

    So.

    Dusk/Katze/Illwei +2
    Resistant to helping me push Holyflare ecause she'd rather go Dusk Illwei Katze. At this point itg (d3) where katze is on the table, probably a good look for holy. or i'm pocketing him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8146)
    I dunno JC, sorry, I just want to kill a wolf today and I'm not confident Holy is one of them. I think Dusk, Illwei and Katze are all better punts.
    Fights Boq saying that Illwei/Katze are w/w. Not much in isolation again. Just posting for completion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8198)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#8193)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8191)
    I play with the close-quotes function on to lessen the information overload, I found the post now but the quotes slipped me by earlier. I think Illwei was making a höna av en fjäder (translation: Mountain out of a mole hill?). Do you think that's towny? Or is it the tone that makes you town read her?

    Because I'm not really seeing anything that I don't think Illwei could do as wolf. To me it looks like a push for the sake of pushing.
    If it stopped there, it would be a höna tbh
    But Illwei actually made effort to make people read that post. It is no longer a push for the sake of pushing; Illwei cares about the read. Which also then fits in with her anger later when told that she isnt solving - when those posts were being solvy.

    There is also 7541. I do not think Illwei as a wolf would be openly sassy about a post that is, in that case, correctly wolf reading her. I believe she would ignore it. So yea, sorta tone?

    At the same time, the game would be much easier if Illwei was a wolf because then I would be able to completely clear Katze, Lily and Lucy - but rn I amn't. And that means at parts of D1, we had town vs town vs town wagons tbh


    Why can't Illwei/Katze be w/w? Like, regardless of your Illwei v read
    Large resistance to Boq calling Illwei/Katze not w/w:
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8208)
    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#8205)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#7317)
    Retrospective Day 1 Votecount as of Post #1675

    Post #1675 was originally posted at 10:41 PM EDT on Sunday, October 23rd, 2022.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    5 Prince J JohnCarter (68), Porscha (56), Lumi (13), Macdougall (140), Duskfall (54)
    4 Porscha Holyflare (65), BlueKang (85), Psycho666Soldier (82), Wisdom (71)
    3 Illwei lucy (121), katze (65), lilypetal (105)
    2 Macdougall jess (82), Illwei (147)
    1 Duskfall YOLOSWAG. (65)
    1 YOLOSWAG. Prince J (72)
    1 Holyflare NANOOKTHECONQUEROR (43)
    1 Lumi Kuti plz (95)
    1 katze Princess Neon (137)
    2 Not voting Jackofhearts2005 (3), Boquise (59)

    View Vote History

    Requested by Boquise.
    Mainly because of this @Wisdom
    Illwei is sandwiched between three flipped towns. She could take off and become the main wagon.
    There is no reason why scum would at this point vote to distance with a partner without a sort of pay-off. The vote is better spent at being worried on how "Porscha could be wolfier than Prince holy $%#!" or "yeh maybe it is Mac", or literally push another town player, any.

    I also dont think Katze as wolf would try to piss off Illwei if she is also a wolf.

    Ah, hadn't seen that. Yeah that seems like a good place to look if one in Illwei/Katze flips v today. You're likely right on them not being w/w but I'd need to double check it.
    Another observation only, but here replaces illwei in her 3 wolf pile for holy, but keeps kat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8233)
    I'm sorry JC for how stubbornly bad I've been at cooperating with you since the finale and hydra (Although I think it was a good thing in Swag :P). Let's mason up!

    Dusk/Katze/HF. Two more.

    If I ever manage to wrap my head around the thing I'm trying to do I might redeem myself a little.

    Ah yeah this part on D4. I had previously talked about why this is w/w:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8321)
    ##Vote katze

    If Dusk's not a viable wagon (which I think it should be since Boq seems to be the only one actually wanting to go there and he's the only one who's town in this game.
    The '3-3-3-3-' thing is like a guilty child trying to change the subject, is the analogy I used before I think lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8350)
    ##Vote Duskfall

    3-3-3-3-3
    Where tf does the Kuti one come from here:
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8643)
    I still think Dusk/Katze/Kuti are all wolves

    The fact that this is the first POE wisdom's written that is anything resembling accurate indicates that wolves at this point were starting to actually feel boxed in.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8822)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8816)
    BK could very well be a wolf but I think flash wagoning him now would be a terrible idea
    Mostly because he's the one I'm feeling the least confident about in Dusk/Katze/Sabi/BK
    Which fits with Katze!w and a Sabi!w world (that's right, $%#! on me for turning on that read again)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#11931)
    Retrospective Day 3 Votecount as of Post #8822

    Post #8822 was originally posted at 7:13 PM EDT on Sunday, October 30th, 2022.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    5 Duskfall BlueKang (37), Wisdom (116), Boquise (129), arogame123 (135), katze (191)
    5 Kuti plz JohnCarter (175), Kuti plz (135), Holyflare (158), lucy (100), lilypetal (152)
    2 katze Lumi (89), Duskfall (100)
    1 Holyflare Princess Neon (150)
    1 Lumi Psycho666Soldier (123)
    1 Not voting jess (208)

    View Vote History

    Requested by JohnCarter.
    Boxed in wolf evolution from the earlier powerwolf:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8889)
    Town: Boq, Lily

    Probably town: JC, Lucy, Neon, Jess

    Probably a wolf here but dunno who: HF, Lumi, Psycho, Illwei

    Likely all wolves: Dusk, Katze, Sabi, BK
    Again, trying to save face and townside with their words now that town is finally starting to wagon wolves:
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8940)
    I'm a bit weirded out by how quickly the Katze wagon died and no one seems to care about them anymore
    Declines my offer to wagon Katze:
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8961)
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#8944)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8940)
    I'm a bit weirded out by how quickly the Katze wagon died and no one seems to care about them anymore
    Seeing as nothing is happening with the Sabi wagon, if you vote Katze i'll follow
    No I still prefer Dusk, but I prefer Katze to Sabi and even more to BK (even though they could all be wolves). Sabi and BK are more PoE wolves while I think Dusk is a wolf-wolf and Katze is a gamestate wolf.
    Declines my offer to wagon Katze:
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8961)
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCarter (#8944)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#8940)
    I'm a bit weirded out by how quickly the Katze wagon died and no one seems to care about them anymore
    Seeing as nothing is happening with the Sabi wagon, if you vote Katze i'll follow
    No I still prefer Dusk, but I prefer Katze to Sabi and even more to BK (even though they could all be wolves). Sabi and BK are more PoE wolves while I think Dusk is a wolf-wolf and Katze is a gamestate wolf.
    Wolf!Wisdom wouldn't have been awake at 1am if wolves weren't in the mix:
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#9051)
    What is this game
    Why am I awake
    I hate EoDs
    Which is obviously true with BK wolf, I happen to know it is also true with katze wolf:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#11933)
    Retrospective Day 3 Votecount as of Post #9051

    Post #9051 was originally posted at 7:49 PM EDT on Sunday, October 30th, 2022.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    5 Duskfall BlueKang (49), Wisdom (133), Boquise (156), Kuti plz (136), katze (216)
    4 BlueKang Psycho666Soldier (145), Lumi (101), lilypetal (167), jess (229)
    3 Kuti plz Holyflare (180), lucy (112), Duskfall (107)
    1 katze JohnCarter (192)
    1 Holyflare Princess Neon (150)
    1 Not voting arogame123 (150)

    View Vote History

    Requested by JohnCarter.
    This continues the for the rest of the day where Wisdom calls me town and Katze a wolf but does nothing with it other than voting Sabi.

    Which also ironically looked w/v on a surface level much like katze/wisdom. I guess i'll case that next given her play in pushing me with no care in the world for anything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#9898)
    I don't really have any proper take yet outside of Katze being likely w and Lumi/JC/Aro v. But your wall was weird and I think you being a wolf would make sense. It just looks as if you're trying to move away attention from the wagons.
    Trying to salvage the game, probably, if I win the katze/jc dome:
    Quote Originally Posted by Wisdom (#9901)
    Quote Originally Posted by lilypetal (#8718)
    ##Vote Duskfall

    dusk knows if he talks more he outs himself
    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#8762)
    ##Vote Kuti plz
    Quote Originally Posted by Illwei (#8769)
    ##Vote Duskfall
    If I'm right on Katze being a wolf there's likely at least one wolf here because this momentum made sure Katze wasn't in danger of dying.

    I'm unclearing aro.


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    I mean, the pattern goes on. She sides with me verbally but never makes any attempt to help me. The Kuti push is also bad. Very bad. I'll look at that whole progression next.
  48. Completed Kuti plz if game doesn't end who are my wolf...

    @Kuti plz if game doesn't end who are my wolf partners?
  49. Completed jess thoughts on what's happened? Kneejerk...

    @jess thoughts on what's happened? Kneejerk reactions? Gut feels?
  50. Completed Who's quick hammering?

    Who's quick hammering?
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