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  1. Postgame#16920

    Thread: Constellations Team Mafia

    by Ampharos
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    Completed our upset was genuine everything we said in...

    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#16907)
    @Sunbae

    I'm really $%#!ing disappointed in you. That guilt trip was terrible
    our upset was genuine

    everything we said in thread was true

    legit miscommunication
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    did they ever find the bodies?

    did they ever find the bodies?
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    Automated /spec

  4. Automated There's a player who has agreed to drop should...

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#33)
    plus i was in the last iteration

    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...whydra-game%21

    where we d1'd empoof and then d2'd empoof's townread like the true chads this town was
    There's a player who has agreed to drop should anyone else want to sign up. Offer's open.
  5. Automated This is actually an excellent time for me to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Porygon-Z (#3)
    /in
    Quote Originally Posted by Porygon-Z (#5)
    /out
    This is actually an excellent time for me to mention: please sign up on your main account. We will not accept alternate account signups - and my name's red, so I'll know.
  6. Automated Quick note: the original version of this OP...

    Quick note: the original version of this OP listed a Mafia Jailkeeper in the setup, but a Mafia Roleblocker in the example PMs. The correct role is Jailkeeper; this has been corrected.
  7. Automated Mentors and Mentees: A Mentor/Mentee Shadowhydra Game

    Mentors and Mentees: A Mentor/Mentee Shadowhydra Game



    Hosted By: @Ampharos and @Bunnelby
    Players: 15 players
    Start Date: October 4th, 2021
    SoD/EoD: 8pm EDT
    Phase Lengths: 48/24
    Night Chat: Mafia Only
    Out of Thread Communication: Mafia Only, mentor/mentee private communication
    Posting Requirement: 10 posts minimum, 150 post max to lift 1 hour before EoD. Failing to meet the minimum requirement will result in prodding or replacement, at host discretion.
    Setup: Open 15er
    1x Town Vigilante | Odd Night
    1x Town Neapolitan
    1x Town Bodyguard
    9x Vanilla Town mentees
    (12 individual town mentors)


    1x Mafia Rolecop
    1x Mafia Jailkeeper
    1x Mafia Goon
    (3 individual mafia mentors)


    Role PMs:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host
    Role PM for Example Game

    You are Town Vigilante | Odd Night. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Town Vigilante

    As Town Vigilante, you have access to the Killing Night Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If you do not submit an action, you will forego your action on that night.

    Odd Night

    The Odd Night modifier limits you to only submit Night actions on Odd numbered Nights.
    Role PM for Example Game

    You are Town Neapolitan. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Town Neapolitan

    As Town Neapolitan, you have access to the Neapolitan Inspection Night Action. Neapolitan Inspection will reveal whether your target is Vanilla Town (with no modifiers) or not.

    Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host
    Role PM for Example Game

    You are Town Bodyguard. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Town Bodyguard

    As Town Bodyguard, you have access to the Guarding Night Action. Guarding another player will cause you to die instead if that player is targeted by a kill on the same night. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If you do not submit an action, you will forego your action on that night.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host
    Role PM for Example Game

    You are Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host
    Role PM for Example Game

    You are Mafia Role Cop. You win when you overpower the town and eliminate any other evil faction(s) in the game. Your teammates are:

    Mafia Team

    ...

    Mafia Chat: ...

    As Mafia, you have access to the Factional Night Kill Night Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If no Mafia submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the living non-Mafia players.



    Mafia Role Cop

    As Mafia Role Cop, you have access to the Role Inspection Night Action. Role Inspection will reveal a target's role and any role modifiers. Vanillas and Goons will inspect as Vanilla. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    Inspection Results for Night 0 in Example Game

    Jiminy Cricket is Jailkeeper
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host
    Role PM for Example Game

    You are Mafia Jailkeeper. You win when you overpower the town and eliminate any other evil faction(s) in the game. Your teammates are:

    Mafia Team

    ...

    Mafia Chat: ...

    As Mafia, you have access to the Factional Night Kill Night Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If no Mafia submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the living non-Mafia players.



    Mafia Jailkeeper

    As Mafia Jailkeeper, you have access to the Jailing Night Action. Jailing another player will both protect that player from being killed as well as prevent that player from being able to successfully use their Night Action that night. You will not learn whether your target was successfully protected from any kills, nor will you learn whether your target had a Night Action. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used. You cannot target the same player on consecutive nights.

    If you do not submit an action, you will forego your action on that night.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host
    Role PM for Example Game

    You are Mafia Goon. You win when you overpower the town and eliminate any other evil faction(s) in the game. Your teammates are:

    Mafia Team

    ...

    Mafia Chat: ...

    As Mafia, you have access to the Factional Night Kill Night Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If no Mafia submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the living non-Mafia players.

    Actual in-game Role PMs will be flavored. Flavor will be randomized and nonindicative of alignment; you may claim your flavor in the game thread.

    This is a mentor/mentee game, ideal for newer/less experienced players to get some personal help throughout the game! The way this will work is that each town and mafia mentee will have their own mentor to help guide them in their personal thread/chat. You may discuss reads privately; however, mentors should not impose their reads on their mentees. Mentors should not be speculated, discussed or referred to in the main thread. Please ask if you have any questions!

    Mentee signups: In the interest of ensuring that you know what you're in for, please PM myself (Mixolydia#8907) or @Bunnelby (Cute Beer#0314) as well as posting that you're in for the game in this thread in order to be added to the playerlist - you won't be added otherwise. You'll also need to fill out a brief form to indicate what you're most interested in improving on; we'll be distributing the link to this form privately.

    Mentor signups: The vast majority of mentors have already been contacted and have confirmed their participation. If you're interested in being a substitute mentor, please privately contact myself or Bunnelby.

    After the game, should there be interest, we are amenable to running some sort of fun game for the mentors.

    • Town wins when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
    • Mafia factions win when they achieve Parity.
    • Votes are automatically locked in at LYLO.
    • Sleeping is enabled. Vote for Sleep to forgo an elimination that Day.
    • Mafia factional kills are mandatory. Mafia must submit a factional kill each night, or a player outside their faction will be chosen at random.
    • Mafia factional kills are assigned. They can be tracked, watched, or roleblocked.
    • Mafia may communicate at any time.
    • Tied votes will result in a player being eliminated at random from among the tied players.

    1. @Javelinlover (pre-in; need confirmation)
    2. @GGhana
    3. @Lag
    4. @Apogee
    5. @evakyoo
    6. @Apocryphal Thaumaturge
    7. @c4e5g3d5
    8. @Michelle
    9. @Ephemera
    10. @Twice Shrunk
    11. @ThePretender
    12. @Aldo
    13. @Venti
    14. @Miss Misty
    15. @Poison
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    Sticky: alexa Boquise Gorf Holyflare ...

    @alexa
    @Boquise
    @Gorf
    @Holyflare
    @Hornet
    @JohnCarter
    @katze
    @Pilica
    @Soneji
    @The Sun Fan
    @Thunal33
    @Vandyfan402
    @vanity.
    @Wiml
    @Wisdom

    Hi. I'm doing finale flavor this year. I have several ideas, and am having trouble choosing between them, so I turn to Viewers Like You.

    Would you prefer:
    - something funny
    - something spooky

    "i don't care, stop pinging me" is also a valid answer, though it's one that will cause me significant consternation between now and finale lmao
  9. Day 1#774

    Thread: The Longest Mafia Game Redux

    by Ampharos
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    Game Thread posting because i randomly remembered i was in...

    posting because i randomly remembered i was in this game and i want someone to remind me in like a week if i forget again

    haven't read anything yet but i'm gonna try to do so at some point Soon
  10. #9

    Thread: Labelization

    by Ampharos
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    Rejected The words you seem to take issue with are used as...

    The words you seem to take issue with are used as shorthand descriptors for behavior, not for people. With that in mind, I see no need for us to modify our descriptions of said behavior, as we're simply accurately reporting the rules violations that led to a user being banned from the site.

    If you feel we should strive for increased specificity in the moderation log, that's a conversation we can have, but I'm not sure it's the one you're trying to start here.
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    Walrus I have decided Ibuki Mioda will also be subbing...

    I have decided Ibuki Mioda will also be subbing to this.

    Probably.

    I unironically may not have enough weeb music.
  12. Sticky: Completed i look forward to being retired gg all, wolves...

    i look forward to being retired

    gg all, wolves especially
  13. Sticky: Completed https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/70876808401...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9564)
    I'm going to waste a post to spite you and tell you that I'm not going to vote until you sleep
  14. Sticky: Completed I've done a cursory amount of research into TSF,...

    I've done a cursory amount of research into TSF, specifically to confirm the anti-bussing stuff. Had to go all the way back to 2017 to find a non-mash wolfgame, and even then we wind up with what's basically a mini-mash, but it'll have to do.

    In that game (this game), TSF busses exactly once, on D1. He was the first person on the wagon and sat on it for quite some time, seeing it grow from Literally Just Him to overtaking the lead wagon with 3 minutes left in the day. The rest of the game, he's on the counterwagon to literally every single scum vote, and I did find a post in his ISO (though I've lost it now, lol) where he talks about how much he dislikes bussing.

    My guess is that his push on Aquilla was either requested in wolfchat (since Aquilla is notoriously not a fan of wolfing) or was initially intended to be distancing, and he didn't actually expect the wagon to go over. The point being, I'm going to accept TSF's self-meta, and thus continue to not consider TSF/JPIC a world. And since I already eliminated TSF/Holy, that leaves me with SR/JPIC and SR/Holy.

    I still think JPIC is just way more likely to be a wolf than Holyflare, for reasons I've rehashed over and over again. Holyflare's come out today feeling like he's trying to break ground, like he's trying to solve things; JPIC's largely felt on the back foot the entire time. There's the self-vote stuff, which I believe. There's JPIC's low investment in the EoD where Pilica died - which, pot meet kettle, but I'll get to that in a bit.

    So this leaves me at JPIC/SR. Which was my solve earlier today. Which... definitely scares me a bit, in a "what? I'm not allowed to be right, this is $%#!ed up" kinda way. I'll probably wind up looking to TSF for guidance after the cap lifts, because I'm honestly not sure I bet the game on my own reads here, but if you forced me at gunpoint to vote now, I'd vote JPIC.

    ---

    @Holyflare

    EoD3 sucked.

    Pilica was wolfy. I knew that, I'd spent an entire irl night proving that, but then she made one stupid comment about mechanics and it wormed its way into my brain and refused to leave. I was leaning town on you at that point, though - mostly for AtE reasons - so heading into the final few hours of the day, I figured I'd just rely on someone else to tell me if those suspicions had any merit, and hold the line voting Pilica.

    The actual uncapped EoD was hard for me to keep track of, because there was a lot going on irl at the time, so my experience with the faster portion of the day was... disjointed. I know ejji came in trying to swing wagons onto me, and that it wasn't for compelling reasons. I know SR bit into ejji in a way that at the time I thought looked like villagery fire from him. I saw SJ's posts, and read SJ's posts, and kinda hated SJ's posts. I saw Pilica hate SJ's posts for similar reasons to why I did, and realized that I was no longer sure how she'd flip.

    Coming into EoD, I'd been pretty unshakeable in my belief that Justin had been a villager, and thus that SJ was also a villager. The problem, of course, is that SJ came in posting like a wolf, so I made a snap judgement call and moved my vote.

    And then IRL got really busy, and I missed huge chunks of the final half hour or so. I followed as best I could. I saw the Holyflare wagon pick up steam, and was growing frustrated with your selfvoting, so I figured you could die and that was probably fine, because at least we wouldn't have to try to solve you again the next day. I was holding to my snapread on Pilica, because I wasn't sure what else to do with her. I didn't wanna move to you because you were either at 4 or 5 votes, and I sure as hell didn't wanna hammer.

    I saw the swaps to Pilica. They came too late for me to put any real thought into it. All I could really think to do at that point was stare at the timer and hope.

    Am I happy with how I played that EoD? $%#! no. I'm sure as hell happy that it worked out, but I'm definitely mad at myself for nearly throwing that away, and it's extremely embarrassing to have been correctly voting a wolf heading into EoD only to wind up on a villager - and if you count d1, it's arguably the second time it's happened this game with the same player! $%#! me. Well played, Pilica.

    The best defense I can offer is that I was trying to keep things straight in my head and consider things from all angles but wasn't in a very good position to do so, and it went poorly as a result.

    ---

    Let the record show that although of course I'm praying for a redflip here, I'm definitely dreading the inevitable thunderdome with SR that's to follow. The best I can do is hope that my body of work and overall mindset make themselves evident, but if our v/v games are any indicator SR is very good at finding reasons to wolfread my town process. So we'll see how this goes, I guess.

    Gotta say, did NOT expect SR to be the final boss of my mafia career, but I guess it's poetic.

    ---

    This is probably my last post before I sleep, unless SR votes before I pass out, and even then I'll probably only pop in to confirm that the game's not over. I want to leave myself a couple of posts for the pre-capped period in the early afternoon, because I suspect I'm not going to sleep super well tonight.
  15. Sticky: Completed If you were sitting on what you felt had a pretty...

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#9540)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9538)
    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#9537)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9535)
    no? i'm dead serious

    if SR is JPIC's partner i seriously don't think voting you wins him the game, and i think he would realize that
    It feels disingenous because you outed it before SR had even done anything or made his intentions properly clear.
    I mean she did it in response to me saying it about her first

    The weird thing to me is if I voted you it would be so out of left field given the views I have been expressing today I'm not sure why it would make her reconsider really. On the can this be a winning move axis maybe, but on the paying any attention to where my head is at axis not at all
    Sure, but I find it disingenous because:

    A) Uno reverse card

    B) What you've said above. I don't think there's a believable world where you just about turn on your read on me to the point where it would make Amy re-evaluate because afaik the majority of Amy's qualms are entirely not to do with your read on me or jpic.
    If you were sitting on what you felt had a pretty good chance of being the solve, and you were in the midst of formulating a theory on what their endgame plan was, and then one of the people involved in that solve turned around and accused you of attempting to execute that exact plan, would you not say as much?
  16. Sticky: Completed I've seen more dramatic LYLO turnarounds. Whether...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9536)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9532)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9528)
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    Why wouldn't you say it? Does it matter if it messes with my vote in some way when you're talking with this much confidence?
    I wasn't so confident that I was going to out it before you proved me right - if you voted Holy, I'd probably have to reassess to an extent.

    The only reason I've outed it now is because you flipping the read onto me bolstered my confidence in that being the world.
    I mean in a world I vote holy then don't you just think I'm with jpic even more?

    Why would it bolster it? You've been pushing me, I don't see a world in which you ought to be surprised I made that read
    On the contrary, in what world do you think either of myself/TSF are more likely to vote Holy than JPIC here?

    In the event that you voted Holy, I'd be having second thoughts about the solve because that vote seems SO blatantly aligned with JPIC that it seems like an extremely difficult position for an SR/JPIC team to actually win from.

    To put it succinctly, I think any team with JPIC plays for F3 here.
    I mean, given my exact trajectory in the thread I would think me voting Holy should be raising entirely different alarm bells than maybe SR is town

    Latter q still stands


    Also to save posts @Justplayingitcool probably going to vote you unless you can lay out something very compelling for partner world for hf and how it fits together and explain eod3 and such. Like why does Amy not vote one of her partners or, if you're going a crazy route, why does tsf bus pilica over hf? Keeping in mind vanity switch still left it at 4 holy 3 pilica
    I've seen more dramatic LYLO turnarounds. Whether or not you voting Holy would set off "uhh why is SR suddenly on this now" would depend pretty heavily on the leadup. I'm talking about pure vacuum votecounts.

    It bolsters my confidence because you accused me of doing the literal EXACT thing I thought you were going to do. "Take the thing I am currently trying to do and accuse a villager of doing it" is definitely something I've done as a wolf before.

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#9537)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9535)
    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#9534)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9532)
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    I mean in a world I vote holy then don't you just think I'm with jpic even more?

    Why would it bolster it? You've been pushing me, I don't see a world in which you ought to be surprised I made that read
    On the contrary, in what world do you think either of myself/TSF are more likely to vote Holy than JPIC here?

    In the event that you voted Holy, I'd be having second thoughts about the solve because that vote seems SO blatantly aligned with JPIC that it seems like an extremely difficult position for an SR/JPIC team to actually win from.

    To put it succinctly, I think any team with JPIC plays for F3 here.
    This feels extremely disingenous to the point where I don't believe that you believe it.
    no? i'm dead serious

    if SR is JPIC's partner i seriously don't think voting you wins him the game, and i think he would realize that
    It feels disingenous because you outed it before SR had even done anything or made his intentions properly clear.
    I mean... SR accused me of doing it first. That's what prompted me to say it. What I said to SR's second question basically applies here. I felt confident enough to out it because I felt SR was taking the thing he was currently doing and accusing me of doing said thing.
  17. Sticky: Completed no? i'm dead serious if SR is JPIC's partner i...

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#9534)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9532)
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    I wasn't so confident that I was going to out it before you proved me right - if you voted Holy, I'd probably have to reassess to an extent.

    The only reason I've outed it now is because you flipping the read onto me bolstered my confidence in that being the world.
    I mean in a world I vote holy then don't you just think I'm with jpic even more?

    Why would it bolster it? You've been pushing me, I don't see a world in which you ought to be surprised I made that read
    On the contrary, in what world do you think either of myself/TSF are more likely to vote Holy than JPIC here?

    In the event that you voted Holy, I'd be having second thoughts about the solve because that vote seems SO blatantly aligned with JPIC that it seems like an extremely difficult position for an SR/JPIC team to actually win from.

    To put it succinctly, I think any team with JPIC plays for F3 here.
    This feels extremely disingenous to the point where I don't believe that you believe it.
    no? i'm dead serious

    if SR is JPIC's partner i seriously don't think voting you wins him the game, and i think he would realize that
  18. Sticky: Completed On the contrary, in what world do you think...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9529)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9528)
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    I in fact have felt that you were intending to do the same, though I wasn't going to voice it until after your vote in case you surprised me and voted Holy.

    so uhhh. good job us, i guess? me for the read and you for the preemption?

    what a weird $%#!in' gamestate
    Why wouldn't you say it? Does it matter if it messes with my vote in some way when you're talking with this much confidence?
    I wasn't so confident that I was going to out it before you proved me right - if you voted Holy, I'd probably have to reassess to an extent.

    The only reason I've outed it now is because you flipping the read onto me bolstered my confidence in that being the world.
    I mean in a world I vote holy then don't you just think I'm with jpic even more?

    Why would it bolster it? You've been pushing me, I don't see a world in which you ought to be surprised I made that read
    On the contrary, in what world do you think either of myself/TSF are more likely to vote Holy than JPIC here?

    In the event that you voted Holy, I'd be having second thoughts about the solve because that vote seems SO blatantly aligned with JPIC that it seems like an extremely difficult position for an SR/JPIC team to actually win from.

    To put it succinctly, I think any team with JPIC plays for F3 here.
  19. Sticky: Completed I wasn't so confident that I was going to out it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9525)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9523)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9519)
    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9511)
    Can you go in more detail?
    I mean the most obvious is that you/holy is a bit of a crazy world (and also somewhat for same reasons as amy/holy for parking on sj as you say) and I do not see tsf at all, while I'm not seeing strong reasons against you/amy and I've had way more doubts on her and her handling of me today

    I'm also gonna say I feel like she's setting up for you to flip red and have to get me killed tomorrow
    I in fact have felt that you were intending to do the same, though I wasn't going to voice it until after your vote in case you surprised me and voted Holy.

    so uhhh. good job us, i guess? me for the read and you for the preemption?

    what a weird $%#!in' gamestate
    Why wouldn't you say it? Does it matter if it messes with my vote in some way when you're talking with this much confidence?
    I wasn't so confident that I was going to out it before you proved me right - if you voted Holy, I'd probably have to reassess to an extent.

    The only reason I've outed it now is because you flipping the read onto me bolstered my confidence in that being the world.
  20. Sticky: Completed It's been a hot minute since I read the entire...

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#9521)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9520)
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    The obvious counterargument to this is that you could still be a wolf with SR (or TSF, if you wanna go that route).

    The fact that JPIC doesn't seem to be considering this is noted.
    Not sure how that's a counter argument? The intent to kill myself still exists, I'm putting my team at a huge disadvantage and potentially spewing a bunch of people for no reason.

    I've played this game for well over 10 years and I can't think of a single time where I would have been this much of a $%#! to a team and I've played with some really awful people. I just play to win at all times.

    I can, however, remember a bunch of times where I've $%#!ed over town by doing the same thing. Either getting annoyed at not being listened to, or using it to get people to re-evaluate.
    To clarify, I think it's possible you parked your vote on yourself knowing that your third partner could swap to save you, thus creating the illusion of intent to die without necessarily ever intending for it to actually go through.

    The wildcard in this is Esooa, whose posting up to that point I would need to reread.
    If you can say this after reading EoD 3 with a straight face then maybe you are just mafia :/
    It's been a hot minute since I read the entire sequence. Mostly been living it through ISOs and votecounts.

    I still think it's less likely than JPIC being a wolf. I'm just being thorough.
  21. Sticky: Completed I in fact have felt that you were intending to do...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9519)
    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9511)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9506)
    If you think i am a wolf, who is my partner?
    Amy? That would be the first person I consider
    Can you go in more detail?
    I mean the most obvious is that you/holy is a bit of a crazy world (and also somewhat for same reasons as amy/holy for parking on sj as you say) and I do not see tsf at all, while I'm not seeing strong reasons against you/amy and I've had way more doubts on her and her handling of me today

    I'm also gonna say I feel like she's setting up for you to flip red and have to get me killed tomorrow
    I in fact have felt that you were intending to do the same, though I wasn't going to voice it until after your vote in case you surprised me and voted Holy.

    so uhhh. good job us, i guess? me for the read and you for the preemption?

    what a weird $%#!in' gamestate
  22. Sticky: Completed To clarify, I think it's possible you parked your...

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#9513)
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    And that would have spewed pilica as probably clear
    1) No, it wouldn't. I can almost guarantee people still go after Pilica the next day because the reasons to scum read her still exist.

    2) Probably why you made the mistake of voting me, but if you knew how I play as mafia I don't think you'd ever use this reasoning
    The obvious counterargument to this is that you could still be a wolf with SR (or TSF, if you wanna go that route).

    The fact that JPIC doesn't seem to be considering this is noted.
    Not sure how that's a counter argument? The intent to kill myself still exists, I'm putting my team at a huge disadvantage and potentially spewing a bunch of people for no reason.

    I've played this game for well over 10 years and I can't think of a single time where I would have been this much of a $%#! to a team and I've played with some really awful people. I just play to win at all times.

    I can, however, remember a bunch of times where I've $%#!ed over town by doing the same thing. Either getting annoyed at not being listened to, or using it to get people to re-evaluate.
    To clarify, I think it's possible you parked your vote on yourself knowing that your third partner could swap to save you, thus creating the illusion of intent to die without necessarily ever intending for it to actually go through.

    The wildcard in this is Esooa, whose posting up to that point I would need to reread.
  23. Sticky: Completed So why not now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9503)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9501)
    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#9491)
    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9489)
    And that would have spewed pilica as probably clear
    1) No, it wouldn't. I can almost guarantee people still go after Pilica the next day because the reasons to scum read her still exist.

    2) Probably why you made the mistake of voting me, but if you knew how I play as mafia I don't think you'd ever use this reasoning
    The obvious counterargument to this is that you could still be a wolf with SR (or TSF, if you wanna go that route).

    The fact that JPIC doesn't seem to be considering this is noted.
    I’ve been calling SR as holy’s probable partner for the last 3 cycles
    So why not now?
  24. Sticky: Completed The obvious counterargument to this is that you...

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#9491)
    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9489)
    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#9484)
    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9479)
    And you got townread to hell and back because of it. The self vote is not towny in lylo
    Lol, to anyone else that wants to re-read EoD 3, check the time vote switches happened and realise it's literally on the deadline that people switched off me so it was clear I was just content killing myself.

    No offence to Pilica, but I don't think I ever sacrifice myself in the hopes that she could end game.
    And that would have spewed pilica as probably clear
    1) No, it wouldn't. I can almost guarantee people still go after Pilica the next day because the reasons to scum read her still exist.

    2) Probably why you made the mistake of voting me, but if you knew how I play as mafia I don't think you'd ever use this reasoning
    The obvious counterargument to this is that you could still be a wolf with SR (or TSF, if you wanna go that route).

    The fact that JPIC doesn't seem to be considering this is noted.
  25. Sticky: Completed TSF is not a wolf with SR (or myself) via...

    TSF is not a wolf with SR (or myself) via mechanical confirmation.

    TSF is not a wolf with JPIC, because bussing JPIC yesterday would have been both asinine and against his philosophy. Additionally, I don't think his reaction to JPIC's vote meshes with him being JPIC's partner.

    TSF is not a wolf with Holyflare, and my concrete reason for thinking so is hemispheres. That team has a borderline free win if JPIC votes one of SR/myself, as seemed quite likely for a while; for TSF to go and set up a dichotomy where JPIC is strongly incentivized to vote for TSF's partner seems a needlessly stupid gambit to me.

    Perhaps that's thin, but it doesn't need to be super substantial given it fits how I already feel about TSF's behavior. He's just a villager.

    Ergo: SR is a wolf unless JPIC/Holyflare is w/w. I don't think JPIC/Holyflare is w/w, and if it is, there's no real risk whichever way I vote lmao

    Guess I'm solving for X.
  26. Sticky: Completed I'm winning the battle even harder now, because...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sun Fan (#9457)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9455)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9452)
    i may refrain from posting until i see holyflare's reaction

    presumably he'll be up before i sleep, given The Way That I Am

    the temptation to try to call out of work tomorrow is overwhelming but i don't think i can get away with it
    if you're a wolf, adding the caps again now is a superbly nice touch of self-awareness/memory I guess
    That is an Amy thing to caps some things for emphasis like that
    yeah, but she said a thing earlier, which you're missing/forgot

    she's still winning the "forget the most things" battle though
    I'm winning the battle even harder now, because I'm honestly not sure what you're referring to. I know I've talked about my posting style before but I thought it was just to say "I have nothing resembling a consistent style and refuse to adopt one".

    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9459)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9447)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9443)
    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9438)
    I don’t think amy is/was more likely than holy. I think i put her on equal footing with yourself as the second

    What was unclear? I think i said i felt the kill was a good look for amy. But during my interactions I suddenly forgot why i had her and holy as not w/w. When holy reminded me of my reasons, I didn’t think they held up in the lylo light

    I think tsf has been the villagerest person in this game and it’s a read i’ve never really wavered on from since day 2
    I meant why is Amy closer to the chopping block than me for you cuz I really feel like you were considering me for voting earlier in the day and now just because Amy is viable thats enough that I'm not in the second lowest spot anymore is my thing
    I was briefly thinking about voting for you but that was only a fleeting moment

    I was always going to end up voting holyflare. That was where i was going to go when i made my post last night confirming i made up my mind
    Okay yes thats fine its more about me/Amy ordering

    And yeah you said gth then I asked for more because I want a more complete worldview from you now that your perspective is Holy is outed wolf to you
    Not really sure what else to add

    As holy is an outed wolf, the pilica and holy wagons are even more interesting to me because it meant we had w/w wagons building. It means the reasons for thinking your switch was towny doesn’t really apply or holds water anymore, same with tsf - but as i said i think he was villagery. We also had a superjack wagon which was mainly built for reactions, and i’ll be surprised if scum didn’t try to pivot onto that to keep holy and pilica alive

    Also on your vote switch, if you’re a wolf you decided to switch because it would have given you decent amount of credit for it, and i think this would have been planned if so. The question i ask is why keep holy alive, he seemed pretty burnt out but maybe as i type this all out this was a plan to spew both of you clear to maximise from a pretty $%#!ty eod3 for the wolves

    Also surprised the wolves didn’t take up on ejji’s offer to cfd you for the last 5 mins. I guess they either felt they were better off killing jack or you’re a wolf

    Amy cased pilica and called them out for their wolfiness before everyone else iirc. Would a partner!amy do that? Initially i felt so, but I don’t think this holds up to water. I know i was talking about amy/holy pairings but i do remember another reason for thinking amy was a villager and that was i was trying to bait reactions by playing the victim and i sorta thought their reaction was townish in the moment

    @Ampharos - what was your thought process EoD3? I know you said you would have switched to pilica to gain cred, so i ask why didn’t you?
    Said this to Holyflare earlier, but: I thought Pilica's conviction on SJ was villagery, combined with the fact that I thought SJ was wolfing (and I really just didn't want to deal with parsing Holyflare selfvoting, tbh). So I made a bad snapread and swapped to SJ.

    There was one point where I almost swapped onto Holyflare after the point - think I said something along the lines of "yeah Holy can die here" - but I was worried about bringing it into hammer range, I think? And thus refrained. Didn't really consider swapping back to Pilica, and wasn't sure what to do when the wagon I suspected most was a dead wagon and I had basically no time left (thanks again for these EoD times, Lissa!)
  27. Sticky: Completed i may refrain from posting until i see...

    i may refrain from posting until i see holyflare's reaction

    presumably he'll be up before i sleep, given The Way That I Am

    the temptation to try to call out of work tomorrow is overwhelming but i don't think i can get away with it
  28. Sticky: Completed gonna focus on backreading/long form thoughts for...

    gonna focus on backreading/long form thoughts for a bit

    to make this post not a waste, have a music

  29. Sticky: Completed I don't think SR meant that you had me as being a...

    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9438)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9435)
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    last I asked, you were at her being more townie from the esooa nightkill, I know you said you thought you missed something, but talk to me there
    I thought amy was townier because i felt she could only be partnered with esooa, and at the time i felt it was a good look for amy

    However, i came to the realisation at some point today asking myself why holy/amy didn’t exist. Originally i had it as not w/w because holy was spending a significant amount of time isoing amy.

    I felt today this is no longer as strong because of lylo reasons. I also remembered in my qualifier i spent a significant amount of time isoing my partner pawn, mainly to towncase him and try to keep him alive. If Amy is a wolf she didn’t vote either pilica or holy, but landed on superjack. As holy is a wolf, amy has no option but to keep their vote on superjack to try and save both of them

    The one sticking point is i think amy would have ended up joinung one of the wagons in order to gain some cred. Not sure how viable a superjack yeet was at day 3
    What gets me here, and it might be the way you solve but eh, is that you just say it's possible for it to be Amy now and it's not clear to me how that puts her at more likely level
    I don’t think amy is/was more likely than holy. I think i put her on equal footing with yourself as the second

    What was unclear? I think i said i felt the kill was a good look for amy. But during my interactions I suddenly forgot why i had her and holy as not w/w. When holy reminded me of my reasons, I didn’t think they held up in the lylo light

    I think tsf has been the villagerest person in this game and it’s a read i’ve never really wavered on from since day 2
    I don't think SR meant that you had me as being a more likely wolf than Holy. I think SR meant "why is Amy a more likely Holy partner than me [SR]?"
  30. Sticky: Completed goddammit why is THIS the phase i have to care...

    goddammit why is THIS the phase i have to care about the cap

    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9432)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Sun Fan (#9425)
    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9417)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9416)
    I am going to say that after what tsf said that feels super unelightening overall lol

    I'm asking because atp I need to give a chance and see what exactly you're using to sort everything
    If you’re asking for gth, i lean on amy as the second
    last I asked, you were at her being more townie from the esooa nightkill, I know you said you thought you missed something, but talk to me there
    I thought amy was townier because i felt she could only be partnered with esooa, and at the time i felt it was a good look for amy

    However, i came to the realisation at some point today asking myself why holy/amy didn’t exist. Originally i had it as not w/w because holy was spending a significant amount of time isoing amy.

    I felt today this is no longer as strong because of lylo reasons. I also remembered in my qualifier i spent a significant amount of time isoing my partner pawn, mainly to towncase him and try to keep him alive. If Amy is a wolf she didn’t vote either pilica or holy, but landed on superjack. As holy is a wolf, amy has no option but to keep their vote on superjack to try and save both of them

    The one sticking point is i think amy would have ended up joinung one of the wagons in order to gain some cred. Not sure how viable a superjack yeet was at day 3
    I maintain that I would have finished off the Pilica bus as a wolf, since I'd been working on that for most of the preceding phase and would have gotten a bonkers amount of cred for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9435)
    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9432)
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    If you’re asking for gth, i lean on amy as the second
    last I asked, you were at her being more townie from the esooa nightkill, I know you said you thought you missed something, but talk to me there
    I thought amy was townier because i felt she could only be partnered with esooa, and at the time i felt it was a good look for amy

    However, i came to the realisation at some point today asking myself why holy/amy didn’t exist. Originally i had it as not w/w because holy was spending a significant amount of time isoing amy.

    I felt today this is no longer as strong because of lylo reasons. I also remembered in my qualifier i spent a significant amount of time isoing my partner pawn, mainly to towncase him and try to keep him alive. If Amy is a wolf she didn’t vote either pilica or holy, but landed on superjack. As holy is a wolf, amy has no option but to keep their vote on superjack to try and save both of them

    The one sticking point is i think amy would have ended up joinung one of the wagons in order to gain some cred. Not sure how viable a superjack yeet was at day 3
    What gets me here, and it might be the way you solve but eh, is that you just say it's possible for it to be Amy now and it's not clear to me how that puts her at more likely level
    This is a good and incisive point, and I kind of hate that it is because it does super weird things to my reads.
  31. Sticky: Completed at pure face value i still think holyflare is...

    at pure face value i still think holyflare is much more villagery than jpic

    but i'm dotting every i and crossing every t, because i've already voted wrong once in a champs semis lylo and doing it a second time might actually kill me

    to that end, i will not be placing my vote before the postcap lifts tomorrow, assuming the game is still going by then
  32. Sticky: Completed holyflare/tsf is still hell world, and is perhaps...

    holyflare/tsf is still hell world, and is perhaps the one i should look to eliminate first

    if i do that, it becomes a game of "who is the third with SR" off pure worldbuilding, assuming my previous eliminations are correct

    that's... probably easier said than done, given how successful my worldbuilding w/ pilica's been up to this point
  33. Sticky: Completed my friend, it is lylo and you are thunderdoming ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9417)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9416)
    Quote Originally Posted by Justplayingitcool (#9414)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9411)
    Jpic, who's your team with hf here?
    atm it’s you or amy

    I think tsf has been villagery this phase

    I don’t really like holy is trying undermine my holy/amy pairing that i was exploring
    I am going to say that after what tsf said that feels super unelightening overall lol

    I'm asking because atp I need to give a chance and see what exactly you're using to sort everything
    If you’re asking for gth, i lean on amy as the second
    my friend, it is lylo and you are thunderdoming

    the time for gth is over
  34. Sticky: Completed jpic/hf jpic/tsf jpic/sr hf/tsf hf/sr tsf/sr...

    jpic/hf
    jpic/tsf
    jpic/sr
    hf/tsf
    hf/sr
    tsf/sr

    jpic/hf and jpic/tsf are dumb worlds if you subscribe to the assertion that bussing yesterday was dumb. furthermore, think crossing here is kinda dumb if w/w, though haven't thought about that super super thoroughly yet bc i think it's unlikely anyways

    leaves:
    jpic/sr
    hf/tsf
    hf/sr

    it's interesting that jpic is only viable in one of those worlds, and it's the world where my "the other 2 are just villagerier" solve is correct

    little concerned on that front, for paranoia reasons

    but here's the jumping off point as i see it
  35. Sticky: Completed god i thought i'd feel LESS anxious after the...

    god i thought i'd feel LESS anxious after the crossvote

    but it's happening, huh

    we're podracing
  36. Sticky: Completed hurdle #1 cleared, then suppose i'll put ace...

    hurdle #1 cleared, then

    suppose i'll put ace attorney down and solve the game
  37. Sticky: Completed I'll be back later tonight. Need some space.

    I'll be back later tonight. Need some space.
  38. Sticky: Completed I honestly forgot I had that thought. Think it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9346)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9343)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9341)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9339)
    Also, that game was a role madness cluster$%#!, and this is champs. I'd expect some degree of additional gravitas here.

    And regarding you having already explained why you questioned me on the wolf world stuff, I still think it feels really thin. I'm either putting myself in a hypothetical mindset that I have no way of verifying, or I'm making $%#! up to mask my true intentions, and there's gonna be inaccuracies either way.
    I mean in which case you should display uncertainty on the hypothetical mindset?

    And yes the conclusion I came to was the latter based on how it felt

    I've been wondering exactly how much stock I should put in you saying towny things and you didn't seem to think that was like part of it, that you had thought processes or observations that came from town you or anything
    I mean, it's possible I'm giving my wolfgame too much credit, but I feel like I can fake "saying towny things" pretty well. I've dropped some good walls this game but I'm unsure of the degree to which I'd be able/unable to replicate them.

    ...though I suppose Esooa went through my Voxx 9er ISO and came out pretty convinced I was town here, so maybe I just have delusions of grandeur about my wolfgame or something.
    I mean there's thing you did that felt like they'd be uncomfortable as wolf like speculating on Justin/hf fighting in wolf chat, but you don't give them credit so it makes me doubt how much I ought to

    The latter feels like you trying to invoke esooa to defend yourself tbh
    I honestly forgot I had that thought. Think it got noped on pretty immediately and I decided to drop it. You're probably right that that's not something I would think of as a wolf, tbh.

    Yeah, honestly I am invoking Esooa here, because she was correct on a meta read on me and it's been a hot minute since anyone of the village alignment has been able to do that. If my self-meta isn't to your liking I'm not too proud to cite other people's findings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9347)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9344)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9340)
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    Whether I'm willing to be entirely lazy as town does seem comparable

    And your mindset prior was "Would wolf sr do this?" then that got discarded for town SR is never this lazy rn or something
    i struggle to believe either SR would do this, that's why I'm having such a hard goddamn time with it
    I mean the goddamn says its hard but do your actions
    I think it's fairly obvious by my posts that you've been living in my head rent-free all phase.
    I don't think they felt like a struggle, more declarative
    Agree to disagree. I wouldn't have spent so many posts reaching out to you if I weren't still trying to solidify the read.

    ---

    Gonna start consolidating posts from here on, for postcap reasons.

    To be clear, JPIC is still my first choice over SR. I think everything I've said about SR sleepwalking through this phase can be applied even more strongly to JPIC.

    Mafia sucks.
  39. Sticky: Completed I think it's fairly obvious by my posts that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9342)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9340)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9338)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9336)
    You and I were half the village from D3 until I died. That game was dead. The situations don't even seem comparable to me.

    (and i stopped reading the thread after i died)
    Whether I'm willing to be entirely lazy as town does seem comparable

    And your mindset prior was "Would wolf sr do this?" then that got discarded for town SR is never this lazy rn or something
    i struggle to believe either SR would do this, that's why I'm having such a hard goddamn time with it
    I mean the goddamn says its hard but do your actions
    I think it's fairly obvious by my posts that you've been living in my head rent-free all phase.
  40. Sticky: Completed I mean, it's possible I'm giving my wolfgame too...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9341)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9339)
    Also, that game was a role madness cluster$%#!, and this is champs. I'd expect some degree of additional gravitas here.

    And regarding you having already explained why you questioned me on the wolf world stuff, I still think it feels really thin. I'm either putting myself in a hypothetical mindset that I have no way of verifying, or I'm making $%#! up to mask my true intentions, and there's gonna be inaccuracies either way.
    I mean in which case you should display uncertainty on the hypothetical mindset?

    And yes the conclusion I came to was the latter based on how it felt

    I've been wondering exactly how much stock I should put in you saying towny things and you didn't seem to think that was like part of it, that you had thought processes or observations that came from town you or anything
    I mean, it's possible I'm giving my wolfgame too much credit, but I feel like I can fake "saying towny things" pretty well. I've dropped some good walls this game but I'm unsure of the degree to which I'd be able/unable to replicate them.

    ...though I suppose Esooa went through my Voxx 9er ISO and came out pretty convinced I was town here, so maybe I just have delusions of grandeur about my wolfgame or something.
  41. Sticky: Completed i struggle to believe either SR would do this,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9338)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9336)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9333)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9332)
    You're aware that the last time I vocalized that read before today was like... day 2 or 3, yeah?
    I don't particularly care that it was, I don't think it makes sense entirely for the mindset to change especially given Tommy's game
    You and I were half the village from D3 until I died. That game was dead. The situations don't even seem comparable to me.

    (and i stopped reading the thread after i died)
    Whether I'm willing to be entirely lazy as town does seem comparable

    And your mindset prior was "Would wolf sr do this?" then that got discarded for town SR is never this lazy rn or something
    i struggle to believe either SR would do this, that's why I'm having such a hard goddamn time with it
  42. Sticky: Completed Also, that game was a role madness cluster$%#!,...

    Also, that game was a role madness cluster$%#!, and this is champs. I'd expect some degree of additional gravitas here.

    And regarding you having already explained why you questioned me on the wolf world stuff, I still think it feels really thin. I'm either putting myself in a hypothetical mindset that I have no way of verifying, or I'm making $%#! up to mask my true intentions, and there's gonna be inaccuracies either way.
  43. Sticky: Completed You and I were half the village from D3 until I...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9333)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9332)
    You're aware that the last time I vocalized that read before today was like... day 2 or 3, yeah?
    I don't particularly care that it was, I don't think it makes sense entirely for the mindset to change especially given Tommy's game
    You and I were half the village from D3 until I died. That game was dead. The situations don't even seem comparable to me.

    (and i stopped reading the thread after i died)
  44. Sticky: Completed You're aware that the last time I vocalized that...

    You're aware that the last time I vocalized that read before today was like... day 2 or 3, yeah?
  45. Sticky: Completed Like, serious question: should I townread you for...

    Like, serious question: should I townread you for sleepwalking through LYLO?
  46. Sticky: Completed Dude.

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9324)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9323)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9321)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9316)
    I assumed the "idk where he's at" applied to me as well. Am I mistaken?
    Did you read the full sentence?
    yes i read the full $%#!ing sentence

    i parsed it as "jpic and amy are both being vague about their reads and all i can get is that they're pushing me"

    from your questioning here i assume my interpretation was incorrect but don't be obnoxious about it
    I mean holy got it right, wasn't hard
    Dude.
  47. Sticky: Completed If you seriously can't see why I would be...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9322)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9317)
    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#9313)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9311)
    ?

    I've been an open book with my reads.
    Feel like both you and jpic kinda fall into "ah but must be x (in this case SR) because of PoE" territory at the moment. I do give you more credit here because it actually involves some kind of research but I get what SR is saying at least.
    My reasons on SR aren't super concrete, but there's a little more substance there than pure PoE.
    You mean you changed your read on my motivation level because to me that felt more like something you had to do to swap the read
    If you seriously can't see why I would be suspicious of you in this situation then you're either blatantly wolfing or you need to wake up.

    You spent the first hour or so of this phase questioning me about a hypothetical wolf world that I really don't think gives you any real insight into my mindset, cause if I'm wolfing here I can easily just make $%#! up.

    Your reasons for suspecting me are just as PoE as mine towards you, if not moreso. The lone exception seems to be the fact that I'm suspicious of the fact that you're barely doing anything, which is basically just OMGUS.

    If you think I'm being unfair, let's talk about it.
  48. Sticky: Completed yes i read the full $%#!ing sentence i parsed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9321)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9316)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9312)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9311)
    ?

    I've been an open book with my reads.
    ?

    Did you read the post.
    I assumed the "idk where he's at" applied to me as well. Am I mistaken?
    Did you read the full sentence?
    yes i read the full $%#!ing sentence

    i parsed it as "jpic and amy are both being vague about their reads and all i can get is that they're pushing me"

    from your questioning here i assume my interpretation was incorrect but don't be obnoxious about it
  49. Sticky: Completed My reasons on SR aren't super concrete, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#9313)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9311)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9309)
    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#9306)
    @Justplayingitcool

    I've seen you open up this read today. Do you mind explaining why exactly your stance has changed?

    Is it just "lylo reasons"?
    Read this, looked back, realized idk where he's at except probably pushing me based on vote order stuff, maybe me/amy

    Feel he and Amy are sorta in sync on that
    ?

    I've been an open book with my reads.
    Feel like both you and jpic kinda fall into "ah but must be x (in this case SR) because of PoE" territory at the moment. I do give you more credit here because it actually involves some kind of research but I get what SR is saying at least.
    My reasons on SR aren't super concrete, but there's a little more substance there than pure PoE.
  50. Sticky: Completed I assumed the "idk where he's at" applied to me...

    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9312)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#9311)
    Quote Originally Posted by Secondhand Revenant (#9309)
    Quote Originally Posted by Holyflare (#9306)
    @Justplayingitcool

    I've seen you open up this read today. Do you mind explaining why exactly your stance has changed?

    Is it just "lylo reasons"?
    Read this, looked back, realized idk where he's at except probably pushing me based on vote order stuff, maybe me/amy

    Feel he and Amy are sorta in sync on that
    ?

    I've been an open book with my reads.
    ?

    Did you read the post.
    I assumed the "idk where he's at" applied to me as well. Am I mistaken?
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Mafia Universe is a community hub for people who enjoy playing the forum variant of Mafia (also known as Werewolf). We offer fully automated Mafia games and a wide variety of customized features crafted to optimize your game experience. We also proudly host the Internet's only database of Mafia/Werewolf communities.

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Role of the Day
Ritualist

The Ritualist may once during the game at any time choose to self-sacrifice and die in return for having a dead player of their own choosing be resurrected.