everything we said in thread was true
Type: Posts; User: Ampharos
did they ever find the bodies?
Quick note: the original version of this OP listed a Mafia Jailkeeper in the setup, but a Mafia Roleblocker in the example PMs. The correct role is Jailkeeper; this has been corrected.
Mentors and Mentees: A Mentor/Mentee Shadowhydra Game
Hosted By: @Ampharos and @Bunnelby
Players: 15 players
Start Date: October 4th, 2021
SoD/EoD: 8pm EDT
Phase Lengths: 48/24
Night Chat: Mafia Only
Out of Thread Communication: Mafia Only, mentor/mentee private communication
Posting Requirement: 10 posts minimum, 150 post max to lift 1 hour before EoD. Failing to meet the minimum requirement will result in prodding or replacement, at host discretion.
Setup: Open 15er1x Town Vigilante | Odd Night
1x Town Neapolitan
1x Town Bodyguard
9x Vanilla Town mentees
(12 individual town mentors)
1x Mafia Rolecop
1x Mafia Jailkeeper
1x Mafia Goon
(3 individual mafia mentors)
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Actual in-game Role PMs will be flavored. Flavor will be randomized and nonindicative of alignment; you may claim your flavor in the game thread.
This is a mentor/mentee game, ideal for newer/less experienced players to get some personal help throughout the game! The way this will work is that each town and mafia mentee will have their own mentor to help guide them in their personal thread/chat. You may discuss reads privately; however, mentors should not impose their reads on their mentees. Mentors should not be speculated, discussed or referred to in the main thread. Please ask if you have any questions!
Mentee signups: In the interest of ensuring that you know what you're in for, please PM myself (Mixolydia#8907) or @Bunnelby (Cute Beer#0314) as well as posting that you're in for the game in this thread in order to be added to the playerlist - you won't be added otherwise. You'll also need to fill out a brief form to indicate what you're most interested in improving on; we'll be distributing the link to this form privately.
Mentor signups: The vast majority of mentors have already been contacted and have confirmed their participation. If you're interested in being a substitute mentor, please privately contact myself or Bunnelby.
After the game, should there be interest, we are amenable to running some sort of fun game for the mentors.
- Town wins when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
- Mafia factions win when they achieve Parity.
- Votes are automatically locked in at LYLO.
- Sleeping is enabled. Vote for Sleep to forgo an elimination that Day.
- Mafia factional kills are mandatory. Mafia must submit a factional kill each night, or a player outside their faction will be chosen at random.
- Mafia factional kills are assigned. They can be tracked, watched, or roleblocked.
- Mafia may communicate at any time.
- Tied votes will result in a player being eliminated at random from among the tied players.
1. @Javelinlover (pre-in; need confirmation)
6. @Apocryphal Thaumaturge
10. @Twice Shrunk
14. @Miss Misty
@The Sun Fan
Hi. I'm doing finale flavor this year. I have several ideas, and am having trouble choosing between them, so I turn to Viewers Like You.
Would you prefer:
- something funny
- something spooky
"i don't care, stop pinging me" is also a valid answer, though it's one that will cause me significant consternation between now and finale lmao
posting because i randomly remembered i was in this game and i want someone to remind me in like a week if i forget again
haven't read anything yet but i'm gonna try to do so at some point Soon
The words you seem to take issue with are used as shorthand descriptors for behavior, not for people. With that in mind, I see no need for us to modify our descriptions of said behavior, as we're simply accurately reporting the rules violations that led to a user being banned from the site.
If you feel we should strive for increased specificity in the moderation log, that's a conversation we can have, but I'm not sure it's the one you're trying to start here.
I have decided Ibuki Mioda will also be subbing to this.
I unironically may not have enough weeb music.
i look forward to being retired
gg all, wolves especially
I've done a cursory amount of research into TSF, specifically to confirm the anti-bussing stuff. Had to go all the way back to 2017 to find a non-mash wolfgame, and even then we wind up with what's basically a mini-mash, but it'll have to do.
In that game (this game), TSF busses exactly once, on D1. He was the first person on the wagon and sat on it for quite some time, seeing it grow from Literally Just Him to overtaking the lead wagon with 3 minutes left in the day. The rest of the game, he's on the counterwagon to literally every single scum vote, and I did find a post in his ISO (though I've lost it now, lol) where he talks about how much he dislikes bussing.
My guess is that his push on Aquilla was either requested in wolfchat (since Aquilla is notoriously not a fan of wolfing) or was initially intended to be distancing, and he didn't actually expect the wagon to go over. The point being, I'm going to accept TSF's self-meta, and thus continue to not consider TSF/JPIC a world. And since I already eliminated TSF/Holy, that leaves me with SR/JPIC and SR/Holy.
I still think JPIC is just way more likely to be a wolf than Holyflare, for reasons I've rehashed over and over again. Holyflare's come out today feeling like he's trying to break ground, like he's trying to solve things; JPIC's largely felt on the back foot the entire time. There's the self-vote stuff, which I believe. There's JPIC's low investment in the EoD where Pilica died - which, pot meet kettle, but I'll get to that in a bit.
So this leaves me at JPIC/SR. Which was my solve earlier today. Which... definitely scares me a bit, in a "what? I'm not allowed to be right, this is $%#!ed up" kinda way. I'll probably wind up looking to TSF for guidance after the cap lifts, because I'm honestly not sure I bet the game on my own reads here, but if you forced me at gunpoint to vote now, I'd vote JPIC.
Pilica was wolfy. I knew that, I'd spent an entire irl night proving that, but then she made one stupid comment about mechanics and it wormed its way into my brain and refused to leave. I was leaning town on you at that point, though - mostly for AtE reasons - so heading into the final few hours of the day, I figured I'd just rely on someone else to tell me if those suspicions had any merit, and hold the line voting Pilica.
The actual uncapped EoD was hard for me to keep track of, because there was a lot going on irl at the time, so my experience with the faster portion of the day was... disjointed. I know ejji came in trying to swing wagons onto me, and that it wasn't for compelling reasons. I know SR bit into ejji in a way that at the time I thought looked like villagery fire from him. I saw SJ's posts, and read SJ's posts, and kinda hated SJ's posts. I saw Pilica hate SJ's posts for similar reasons to why I did, and realized that I was no longer sure how she'd flip.
Coming into EoD, I'd been pretty unshakeable in my belief that Justin had been a villager, and thus that SJ was also a villager. The problem, of course, is that SJ came in posting like a wolf, so I made a snap judgement call and moved my vote.
And then IRL got really busy, and I missed huge chunks of the final half hour or so. I followed as best I could. I saw the Holyflare wagon pick up steam, and was growing frustrated with your selfvoting, so I figured you could die and that was probably fine, because at least we wouldn't have to try to solve you again the next day. I was holding to my snapread on Pilica, because I wasn't sure what else to do with her. I didn't wanna move to you because you were either at 4 or 5 votes, and I sure as hell didn't wanna hammer.
I saw the swaps to Pilica. They came too late for me to put any real thought into it. All I could really think to do at that point was stare at the timer and hope.
Am I happy with how I played that EoD? $%#! no. I'm sure as hell happy that it worked out, but I'm definitely mad at myself for nearly throwing that away, and it's extremely embarrassing to have been correctly voting a wolf heading into EoD only to wind up on a villager - and if you count d1, it's arguably the second time it's happened this game with the same player! $%#! me. Well played, Pilica.
The best defense I can offer is that I was trying to keep things straight in my head and consider things from all angles but wasn't in a very good position to do so, and it went poorly as a result.
Let the record show that although of course I'm praying for a redflip here, I'm definitely dreading the inevitable thunderdome with SR that's to follow. The best I can do is hope that my body of work and overall mindset make themselves evident, but if our v/v games are any indicator SR is very good at finding reasons to wolfread my town process. So we'll see how this goes, I guess.
Gotta say, did NOT expect SR to be the final boss of my mafia career, but I guess it's poetic.
This is probably my last post before I sleep, unless SR votes before I pass out, and even then I'll probably only pop in to confirm that the game's not over. I want to leave myself a couple of posts for the pre-capped period in the early afternoon, because I suspect I'm not going to sleep super well tonight.
It bolsters my confidence because you accused me of doing the literal EXACT thing I thought you were going to do. "Take the thing I am currently trying to do and accuse a villager of doing it" is definitely something I've done as a wolf before.
In the event that you voted Holy, I'd be having second thoughts about the solve because that vote seems SO blatantly aligned with JPIC that it seems like an extremely difficult position for an SR/JPIC team to actually win from.
To put it succinctly, I think any team with JPIC plays for F3 here.
The only reason I've outed it now is because you flipping the read onto me bolstered my confidence in that being the world.
I still think it's less likely than JPIC being a wolf. I'm just being thorough.
so uhhh. good job us, i guess? me for the read and you for the preemption?
what a weird $%#!in' gamestate
The wildcard in this is Esooa, whose posting up to that point I would need to reread.
The fact that JPIC doesn't seem to be considering this is noted.
TSF is not a wolf with SR (or myself) via mechanical confirmation.
TSF is not a wolf with JPIC, because bussing JPIC yesterday would have been both asinine and against his philosophy. Additionally, I don't think his reaction to JPIC's vote meshes with him being JPIC's partner.
TSF is not a wolf with Holyflare, and my concrete reason for thinking so is hemispheres. That team has a borderline free win if JPIC votes one of SR/myself, as seemed quite likely for a while; for TSF to go and set up a dichotomy where JPIC is strongly incentivized to vote for TSF's partner seems a needlessly stupid gambit to me.
Perhaps that's thin, but it doesn't need to be super substantial given it fits how I already feel about TSF's behavior. He's just a villager.
Ergo: SR is a wolf unless JPIC/Holyflare is w/w. I don't think JPIC/Holyflare is w/w, and if it is, there's no real risk whichever way I vote lmao
Guess I'm solving for X.
There was one point where I almost swapped onto Holyflare after the point - think I said something along the lines of "yeah Holy can die here" - but I was worried about bringing it into hammer range, I think? And thus refrained. Didn't really consider swapping back to Pilica, and wasn't sure what to do when the wagon I suspected most was a dead wagon and I had basically no time left (thanks again for these EoD times, Lissa!)
i may refrain from posting until i see holyflare's reaction
presumably he'll be up before i sleep, given The Way That I Am
the temptation to try to call out of work tomorrow is overwhelming but i don't think i can get away with it
gonna focus on backreading/long form thoughts for a bit
to make this post not a waste, have a music
goddammit why is THIS the phase i have to care about the cap
at pure face value i still think holyflare is much more villagery than jpic
but i'm dotting every i and crossing every t, because i've already voted wrong once in a champs semis lylo and doing it a second time might actually kill me
to that end, i will not be placing my vote before the postcap lifts tomorrow, assuming the game is still going by then
holyflare/tsf is still hell world, and is perhaps the one i should look to eliminate first
if i do that, it becomes a game of "who is the third with SR" off pure worldbuilding, assuming my previous eliminations are correct
that's... probably easier said than done, given how successful my worldbuilding w/ pilica's been up to this point
jpic/hf and jpic/tsf are dumb worlds if you subscribe to the assertion that bussing yesterday was dumb. furthermore, think crossing here is kinda dumb if w/w, though haven't thought about that super super thoroughly yet bc i think it's unlikely anyways
it's interesting that jpic is only viable in one of those worlds, and it's the world where my "the other 2 are just villagerier" solve is correct
little concerned on that front, for paranoia reasons
but here's the jumping off point as i see it
god i thought i'd feel LESS anxious after the crossvote
but it's happening, huh
hurdle #1 cleared, then
suppose i'll put ace attorney down and solve the game
I'll be back later tonight. Need some space.
Yeah, honestly I am invoking Esooa here, because she was correct on a meta read on me and it's been a hot minute since anyone of the village alignment has been able to do that. If my self-meta isn't to your liking I'm not too proud to cite other people's findings.
Gonna start consolidating posts from here on, for postcap reasons.
To be clear, JPIC is still my first choice over SR. I think everything I've said about SR sleepwalking through this phase can be applied even more strongly to JPIC.
...though I suppose Esooa went through my Voxx 9er ISO and came out pretty convinced I was town here, so maybe I just have delusions of grandeur about my wolfgame or something.
Also, that game was a role madness cluster$%#!, and this is champs. I'd expect some degree of additional gravitas here.
And regarding you having already explained why you questioned me on the wolf world stuff, I still think it feels really thin. I'm either putting myself in a hypothetical mindset that I have no way of verifying, or I'm making $%#! up to mask my true intentions, and there's gonna be inaccuracies either way.
(and i stopped reading the thread after i died)
You're aware that the last time I vocalized that read before today was like... day 2 or 3, yeah?
Like, serious question: should I townread you for sleepwalking through LYLO?
You spent the first hour or so of this phase questioning me about a hypothetical wolf world that I really don't think gives you any real insight into my mindset, cause if I'm wolfing here I can easily just make $%#! up.
Your reasons for suspecting me are just as PoE as mine towards you, if not moreso. The lone exception seems to be the fact that I'm suspicious of the fact that you're barely doing anything, which is basically just OMGUS.
If you think I'm being unfair, let's talk about it.
i parsed it as "jpic and amy are both being vague about their reads and all i can get is that they're pushing me"
from your questioning here i assume my interpretation was incorrect but don't be obnoxious about it