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Originally Posted by moth 1659700704 (#1127)

Originally Posted by Seven 1659660144 (#1121)

Originally Posted by Seven 1659593648 (#1118)

My schedule has become unexpectedly loaded and it's looking like I'm probably not going to be able to play the week of the 8th. Is it possible to swap with someone in game 3? If not, I may need to be replaced unfortunately. Sorry for the inconvenience :(.

@bladescape
@Chilly
@Datisi
@DkKoba
@Hedin
@illario
@Jackofhearts2005
@moth
@NANOOKTHECONQUEROR
@Psycho666Soldier
@roro__b
@Schiavetto
@Sunbae The Org
@Violet

yes
@Lissa
@Arapocalypse

I would do this.

Awesome, thanks

Confirming this swap is seen/acknowedged

Originally Posted by Zack 1658863391 (#95)

Originally Posted by c4e5g3d5 1658797459 (#76)

Rank the avatars you've used

There are way too many and I don't have all of them easily accessible. I do like batmanthinking.gif and will probably keep it for awhile

I really like this one but iirc it was somewhat controversial/disliked by others:

was that your avatar during the rick and morty game? very random but it instantly sprung to mind and now I'm curious

Originally Posted by Apoc 1658844567 (#83)

Originally Posted by Lissa 1658791418 (#73)

Originally Posted by Apoc 1658790885 (#70)

Oh man

Now i want to see everyone's charts of games per year

mine is absurd honestly

makes zack's look tame

Do we have a makaze feature for thos or do i have to count xD

I used to track all my games when i first started but eventually there were just too many. Lol


EDIT:
I'm sure there are lots missing because lol the database, but here we go:

2015 = 24
2016 = 28
2017 = 19
2018 = 12
2019 = 15
2020 = 7
2021 = 7
2022 = 5


(I added a few here and there for POG games, anon games, hydras, alts, etc.)

I actually still have a list but I've been pretty bad about updating it post 2020ish

this is missing some from before may 2015 and anything before 2015, I am pretty sure I have that somewhere but it's on my old laptop and I haven't transferred it over onto here as with most things so I'm not going to dig it out

2015 (starting in may, which is what makes this actually the most absurd one of all) - 42
2016 - 54
2017 - 35
2018 - 22
2019 - 10 (3 sub outs, 2 of them due to ogi, 1 of those w/o playing game at all)
2020 - 19
2021 - 10 (might be missing a couple, I just added a few, my tracking apparently was pretty bad last year)
2022 - 2 (see above but I don't think I'm actually missing any more here)

Confirming the swap of @Chilly moving into g3 and @ThePretender moving into g1 has been processed.

Originally Posted by mhsmith0 1658794007 (#98)

fwiw...
i don't think you can really regulate it or force it, but I think a LOT of people would benefit from dumping swaths of their posts into spoiler tags

Like if you're quoting something big you don't need to bloat the screen with it, oyu can slap on a spoiler tag and the poeple who find your actual words interesting can go and unspoil it

Also mashes are way too big, I think people feel like they're competing over who can make the biggest mash as if that's necessarily a good thing. 100 person mashes are already really really big, when you bloat it even more and get to 150+ etc, it's unhealthy for thread environment as well as enjoyment imo.

I mean. I don't think 150+ is a thing at all outside of anni, not exactly representative, that's a site event thing

also don't think not spoilering is really the issue, that issue feels entirely irrelevant to what I'm talking about really

Postcap would probably help yeah. It's really wild to look at postcounts from the first mashes on MU tbh

They actually had like 100post caps. My preference would lie more at 200-250

I do think there's some more approach and fundamental mindset stuff that's just changed intangibly... but capping a little might help some with that? idk. some of it just comes to the dynamic of a village/thread and how they organize/approach organization

I don't have finger on pulse of usual mash size now tbh

Originally Posted by Apoc 1658790885 (#70)

Oh man

Now i want to see everyone's charts of games per year

mine is absurd honestly

makes zack's look tame

@Chilly replaces @Shad.

Originally Posted by ThePretender 1658455843 (#1080)

Wait @Lissa

Can I sub into sf1 since shad dropped out?

Eod/sod times look 99% more manageable even if my schedule is cooked

definately not trying to sneak my way into sf1 yep yep

@Chilly you willing to move into g2/g3?

I have someone who'd also like to move from 2->3 so either can work

usually offer Thurs starts for champs sfs/finale for more scheduling flexibility options

Originally Posted by Shad 1658440691 (#1057)

Yep none of these are possible for me without missing entire day phases. Replace me please @Lissa

got it

sorry

SEMIFINAL 1: JULY 28, 48/24, 11 PM EOD

#	REPRESENTATIVE	COMMUNITY	QUALIFIER
1	@Arete	Chief Delphi	Game 8
2	@arogame123	Super Mafia All-Stars	Game 4
3	@AXIS	TarValon	Game 4
4	@Cobalt	Dark Lord Potter	Game 1
5	@Ephemera	PokeBeach	Game 4
6	@Fext	Zelda Dungeon	Game 4
7	@jmwjmw27	Hypixel	Game 1
8	@Lumi	SC2 Mafia	Game 7
9	@MendesHotter	Mafia Mystery	Game 4
10	@plopadop	Flash Flash Revolution	Game 4
11	@Santygrass	MafiaLandia	Game 3
12	@supershorty	Student Doctor Network	Game 7
13	@TheCapsFan	BulbaGarden	Game 4
14	@ThePretender	Town of Salem	Game 4
15	@Wisp	Mafia Colosseum	Game 7

SEMIFINAL 2: AUGUST 8, 48/24, 2 PM EOD

#	REPRESENTATIVE	COMMUNITY	QUALIFIER
1	@Conq	Play Diplomacy	Game 6
2	@Dangerhaz	HogwartsWerewolves	Game 8
3	@DoctorZeus	Two Plus Two	Game 2
4	@Guillotina	Deck Mafia	Game 5
5	@HellsBells	Discord Mafia (Chronicles of Elyria)	Game 3
6	@neopest	ArcMafia	Game 2
7	@Poyser	wrestlingmarks.com	Game 6
8	@Ratchet	AnimeBase	Game 8
9	@Ricardo	Grand Prix Racing Online	Game 3
10	@Seven	Smashboards	Game 7
11	@sothys	PokerNet	Game 3
12	@Tilgarial	Novel Updates	Game 3
13	@Vernon	Further Entertainment	Game 2
14	@WindwardAway	Fortress of Lies	Game 6
15	@Yami Fenrir	Something Awful	Game 6

SEMIFINAL 3: AUGUST 18, 48/24, 6 PM EOD

#	REPRESENTATIVE	COMMUNITY	QUALIFIER
1	@Ace Marvel	The Bell Tree	Game 6
2	@bladescape	Giant in the Playground	Game 1
3	@Chilly	Devil's Nest	Game 1
4	@Datisi	Mafiascum	Game 5
5	@DkKoba	Kongregate	Game 1
6	@Hedin	ResetEra	Game 5
7	@illario	EpicMafia	Game 7
8	@Jackofhearts2005	HeroClix Realms	Game 3
9	@moth	The Sock Drawer	Game 2
10	@NANOOKTHECONQUEROR	Mafia451	Game 3
11	@Psycho666Soldier	Rajah	Game 6
12	@roro__b	Hattrick.org (Swedish)	Game 3
13	@Schiavetto	Schiavetto	Game 7
14	@Sunbae	The Org	Game 2
15	@Violet	Kyla	Game 5

Originally Posted by Arete 1658280559 (#46679)

if I were doing the Valentine night actions over again I would keep the first one the same but idle the second one (and just plan to have Aphelios do their thing the moment the day action window opened rather than trying to hold on through ITA1)

I think we got into planning out that action on the assumption we could stack another life on Zippy and that our inability to do that made it no longer +EV

probably a good point, yeah

the arctic one was definitely worth though, just things happened to affect how it played out in practice

(we were appropriately and heavily compensated for said error, no shade, just kinda muffles the apparent/in practice value of the tech)

we also used the other one to get multiple extra KP from our poisoner so i think both uses were very worth it tbh

Originally Posted by mhsmith0 1658268226 (#46597)

Originally Posted by Litten 1658268110 (#46595)

Speaking of broken mechanics?
Valentine role seems really anti wolf to use. I would not want that role to be used in a team I’m on, tbh.

Ten days to agree unless you’re extremely sure the tater is getting blasted first and even then probably using it once at most. Thanks to that town ended up essentially with three different flipped town tree stumps at various points in the game.

tbf team did some tech with it to kill a dangerous villager without sacrificing an important wolf, 100% think that was worth it

said wolf just then got moderrored into death anyway

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief 1658241353 (#87)

Originally Posted by Arete 1658120486 (#27)

if you could add, remove, or modify one MU rule which one would it be?

Probably ban multigaming entirely tbh. Seems like just a mess where a lot of people know about it and wink-wink-nudge-nudge but not actually say anything until they're legally allowed to, which while technically allowed certainly goes against the spirit of the rest of MU's rules. Better to chop off the possibility for good.

A possible compromise I just thought of was allow multigaming, but not in the same category. Like, you can't be in two moderate-length (standard) games at the same time, but you can be in one and a mash or something. Could probably make exceptions for special cases like extremely long-running games, but overall I think that would be a reasonable happy medium.

---

Looks like I also missed a mammoth of a discussion on subs while I was out too, lol. My typical policy as a host is that if someone wants to sub out of one of my games, I allow it no questions asked - better to have someone who wants to play in the game than someone who doesn't - but if the person who subs out doesn't provide a good reason, then I think twice before letting them into my games in the future. That said, I think I use the blacklist tool more than 90% of other hosts around.

tl;dr glad I'm not a mod anymore trying to come up with a solution, lol.

i played an incredibly awkward simultaneous pair of games involving some playerlist overlap of multiple people i was wolfing with in one of the games a couple of years back (i believe i told you this story) and when i internally found myself considering looking at the meta i looked at to bus someone in the wolf game and comparing it with the same metrics to the village game to read them there i noped the $%#! out of that idea and truly understood why multigaming was so problematic lmao

never again, truly never again

Originally Posted by UncleDynamite 1658245255 (#37)

Originally Posted by Apoc 1658232954 (#12)

Originally Posted by UncleDynamite 1658192720 (#1)

Let us consider a non-clear, non-outed, ITA Protected wolf that gets ITA shot; the feedback is HIT, NO EFFECT. Since it is exceedingly unlikely that the ITA protection was provided to this wolf by the village, this previously non-outed wolf is now completely outed. They will likely be eliminated, and the ITA protection will backfire.

That's it. That's literally the case

I mean, the alternative is that they are dead instead. Seems worse?


I'm notnsaying that Hit! Noone has died is better than Miss!

But to suggest it is not better than being DEAD seems a little silly.

First, it delays info

and Second, moving an ITA target to end of day elimination is actually pretty bad/boring/draining for villagers...and gives wolves an easy excuse to peace out for EoD and work on their NAs.

Of course the wolf actually dying is worse. But if they were day angeled and will die anyway, then yes, this will frustrate the village and potentially waste a day, but village will be able to target other wolfy player without having to pump more shots into the wolf, and the day protection turns into a glorified death delayer.

this has always been my issue with hit no one died day angels yeah, that they don't actually save the target

i do kind of like the idea of "first x shots miss" or "first hit miss" angels (which are both actually non automatable unfortunately) but i also think full miss angels are like.. completely fine and better than hit no one died angels

Originally Posted by alexa 1658247105 (#42)

do shots on someone with 100% ITA immunity not currently process as a MISS?

i was pretty certain they did

its a setting actually

Originally Posted by alexa 1658243246 (#20)

Originally Posted by alexa 1658242793 (#18)

can't you just resolve this issue by giving the wolf 100% ITA immunity rather than a BPV in settings if that's the intention?

i feel like i am probably completely misunderstanding this

its mechanically doable through settings yeah

more a design/philosophy decision thing that's the discussion, i think

I agree fwiw

Last time I tried to use a miss angel they were extremely unpopular and reacted poorly to (3 years ago) so I kinda gave up after that

But agree with like all of your points

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief 1658173081 (#55)

I also used the fact that I was Mafia Champion in an attempt to make conversation with a woman. I used this approach exactly once, and never again.

oh no

Originally Posted by Apoc 1658146972 (#46280)

People should be complaining about the poisoner, because that one i messed up.

The goal was that wolves would be guaranteed one poison kill per cycle. And that villagers would choose which kill they get.

But we did a lot of work last minute and the wording of the poisoner was flawed.

The healer should not have been roleblockable. They were day roleblocked one day. And then night killed the next.

The wolves should not have been able to gain an extra poison by killing the healer at night, that was my bad.


I should have given them a real and fake poison as normal, and then allowed them to swap the two at any time. Or the healer should get a 1-shot heal from the grave before joining dvc.

Oh well

Healer having heal on death if action not used that day was what I thought of as solution

Think that ones best

Originally Posted by Apoc 1658146411 (#46277)

The only point at which i felt bad about the wolfchat thing was ironically at end game when there were no more Night Actions to be processed. At that point it felt off that the remaining 3 wolves were able to get so much coaching... I'm not sure it affected the final result though, both the multi and piplup wagons were heavily town driven.


I suggested only 2 or 3 wolves in wolfchat when dead which i think would be fine. It was argued that by the time you have 2 or 3 there are diminishing returns on every extra wolf because 2 or 3 full time spreadsheeters is probably all you need.

To a certain extent i think that's true, but I'd still probably limit it next time anyway.



I honestly think wolves in wolfchat doesn't add that much equity. It's like when people claim that backups add power to a team (but they dont, they only reduce variance).

Even the wolves will disagree with me. But they're just wrong


The only difference between having a couple of dead wolves to manage the spreadsheet and not...is that the living wolves either do or dont have to play 16 hours a day.

We did it in Zelda, our actions were $%#!ing amazing, we had no help. When someone died, someone else stepped up and did the actions instead..
But we also had all ruined our normal day to day lives just to win a game of werewolf.


Sure, maybe you could argue that not every team has the WIM to do what was done in Zelda...and that some teams would lose without the dead wolves...maybe this team is one of them? Idk. Marshadow seemed to imply that might be the case.

Regardless, I don't think it's right or fair that wolves should have to play like 4 times more hours per day just to have a shot at winning a mash. But nobody wants to play a mash boring enough to allow wolves to manage their NAs without staying up all night.
/shrug


Roles and mechanics add discussion points, they shouldn't be the whole game. Some wolves still totally fooled some villagers, and that is the core of werewolf, some extra help with NAs won't ever change that.

All of that is ignoring the fact that town won this game on Friday
so how good are dead wolves really? Probably not as half as good as ITAs.




I feel like this same discussion was had when N0 role swaps for wolves became a thing, people felt cheated.

"If bop wasn't swapped to vig on n0 we'd never have lost! This game was dumb!!"

and now they are in every mash, almost regardless of size. They are a quality of life addition

Fwiw I think the biggest value was morale which is very strong at that kind of endgame setting

I don’t think it broken though

Originally Posted by Viggorous 1658129666 (#46243)

gg wp all

Thx hosts for the herculean effort of hosting anni. I thought you put a lot of work into "extra" things such as very detailed flavor for all roles which I think is a nice thing to do for anni, so big props to all of you.

My only annoyance was that game was completely unplayable for me d1 due to lag, I wonder if anything temporary can v done in the future to prevent the same thing from happening

mak took some non vital/high site strain features offline temporarily late in d1 which at least imo vastly improved this, it was still probably a little bit slow but very playable

should probably happen pregame in future with anni

grug grug?

passing to @Grug

let's pretend this was an intentional pause for anni instead of me being very scatterbrained because it probably should have had that anyway

(ill answer ara questions later LMAO)

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse 1658034374 (#193)

PSA: Mantichora/bearsquared/myself won't be continuing to do April/October mashes on a regular annual basis from now on, for anyone planning ahead!!!!

Ok I go now I should be able to squeeze back in near eod

Glgl

Originally Posted by annulus 1657662241 (#23032)

i thought you guys said bobert was immune, that actually helps immensely though i think because we can have proper wagons now

i still don't support naoto wagon, i think he's a misunderstood villager who might come through later if he gets a good nights sleep

i have kinda bad vibes about spf but i should pay more attention to that slot, i can probably get a read there if i focus

Thought he probably was, is he dead? Good $%#! if so

Sad

Also that’s sick me flavor thanks mods

Rip

swowl

meh not super exciting but they need to die and someone’s gotta make these kind of boring shots

Slanker * lmao

Originally Posted by aphelios 1657661592 (#22812)

Originally Posted by Ace Marvel 1657661526 (#22788)

Im still recovering from the loses of the kpop squad

can someone post the shot list

hm
lime shot list is almost empty
but i have suggestion for you hehe

absolutely shoot

luco
dabi
swowl
angry potato

spicy hot pot shot

mischief
caprisun
litten
abraxis
ekkologic
illwei
rotom

do not shoot

ephemera
arete
grant
insaner
keith
alice
piplup
pretender
doctor zeus
marshadow
ephemera
moth
valentine
ephemira
zippy
dyslexicon


absolutely do not shot
this list is mechanical town
or very stupid to shoot town
do not

kuti
ace
doubt thomas
cape
limestone
vulgard
battlegrounds
manatee

god emperor claim kp booster

Originally Posted by Arete 1657658462 (#21720)

actually is there just a list somewhere of Peeks That Shouldn't Be Shot

off the top of my head I've got

Manatee - Beck n0
DT - Cape? N1
I saw someone say Cape but idk if that's just because of him claiming a peek
Ace - modpeek

plus some dead people who don't matter

ping me with correction suggestion or question about why

Any cliffs on Dabi or just wolfy slander

Only one I haven’t looked at at all

Hi friends I got like 15 where we at, current lists?

im out for the most part until prob eod, will pop in for itas to take a shot

Originally Posted by Creature 1657649701 (#20052)

Originally Posted by Pony 1657649573 (#20032)

Originally Posted by Creature 1657649520 (#20017)

Originally Posted by lucy 1657649467 (#20009)

why do u suspect me @Creature

Minposting

Minposting by itself isn't scummy. There's 20k posts, you don't have an actual reason? feels kinda fishyyy

I'm trying to sort lucy because minposting tends to be >rand wolf in a game like this and lucy was among the minposters

what do you mean in the sense of trying to sort here/what are you doing as such, kinda weird description

Originally Posted by Ephemera 1657649375 (#19994)

Originally Posted by aphelios 1657649196 (#19958)

Originally Posted by KnightsofCydonia 1657649066 (#19938)

Originally Posted by KnightsofCydonia 1657648993 (#19924)

zippy's got a pelt under his belt

and we have shot too many trophy hunters today

pinging because important and needs visibility @aphelios

yes yes i see
ok so do not shoot zippy
do not shoot list is actually huge

shot list can be like
god emperor
wurzel
ampersand
maybe carrots
superjack
zugs
luco
who else ping me

don't clear zippy
apogee redcheck was by another wolf, so zippy could easily be a wolf cashing in on the cred

im fine holding on zippy for a bit if people feel strongly about that but i dont think its mega clearing or anything at all

i think cobalts shot is semi more meaningfully played out/timed than zippys fwiw

Originally Posted by Creature 1657649310 (#19983)

Players who shot staypositivefriend:

Kane
Dels
Hyena
Parity
Wurzel Scummidge

Thoughts on this?

none of them are memorably villagery bar maybe hyena brings faint positive feelings to mind and i cant recall why, but theyre there

Originally Posted by beeboy 1657649227 (#19965)

Someone mailed me a green peek wack. (This is me telling them the result)
Idk if im supposed to reveal this.

seems correct yea

im not real excited about a swowl shot but theyre one of the slots who just kinda needs to get cleaned up sometime soon unless they do anything so meh

Originally Posted by aphelios 1657648839 (#19896)

Originally Posted by Lissa 1657648654 (#19861)

Originally Posted by aphelios 1657648479 (#19829)

Originally Posted by Lissa 1657648413 (#19817)

superjack for sure, zugs yeah, ge seems like a reasonable inclusion

i dont think i want knights

reading wurzel and amper

why not knights
neee not the other one
other one is fine
also i not opposed to pony on shots list

i think the way they went about the missing shot was actually villagery?

ponys also kinda villagery imo i dont really want them on list

ok that is fine
anyone have read on zippy and swowl

zippy can prob die, i guess swowl can die shrug

i think i want to hold on amper for now

wurzel can die

Originally Posted by dLGN 1657648852 (#19898)

Originally Posted by Ace Marvel 1657648776 (#19883)

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1657648497 (#19834)

Originally Posted by tonystarkprime 1657647996 (#19738)

Spf how do you feel about your current position in the game?
@staypositivefriend

i was admittedly a bit frustrated when i woke up and saw that i was getting pushed on, but my position in this game is actually pretty standard for me. i'm towny on a surface level but most people don't know how to differentiate between my wolfgame and my towngame, so i'm in that awkward space where a bunch of people are townreading me but a bunch of people are also paranoid about me and trying to catch me so that they can be heroes and catch a deepwolf. this is compounded by the fact that i haven't had time to sit and threadcamp which means that ppl are also going to be more suspicious of me by default

i'm used to it, and like most of the time that this happens, i'll proly just post my way out of being scumread and wiggle my way out of it eventually

I am 99.9% sure that the SPF slot is a WOLF. I am one of the best SPF readers on this site, and I have a far more nuanced understanding of how she approaches games as town and mafia than most players here.

SPF is polarized - her modus operandi as a wolf is to freeze and not post, and then hope to skate by on the idea that 'she'd actually post if she was wolf'. Her reaction to people posting is this. When other people started posting, SPF did freeze up - she focused on not posting, and her post count alone is why she's a wolf.

what the $%#! am i missing?

are they capable of posting villagery when not being pressured?

because said 'freezing' notwithstanding they seem pretty villagery in iso...? @Ace Marvel

i agree, shes pretty $%#!ing villagery imo

idk what people are on with these wolfreads on her

Originally Posted by aphelios 1657648479 (#19829)

Originally Posted by Lissa 1657648413 (#19817)

Originally Posted by aphelios 1657648268 (#19793)

Originally Posted by Creature 1657648009 (#19740)

theknightsofneeee?

super jack and wurzel maybe
also ampersand but i might be misremember

superjack for sure, zugs yeah, ge seems like a reasonable inclusion

i dont think i want knights

reading wurzel and amper

why not knights
neee not the other one
other one is fine
also i not opposed to pony on shots list

i think the way they went about the missing shot was actually villagery?

ponys also kinda villagery imo i dont really want them on list

Originally Posted by tonystarkprime 1657648414 (#19818)

Pony on shots lists seems fine

pony feels kinda villagery imo, just feels honest?

Originally Posted by aphelios 1657648268 (#19793)

Originally Posted by Creature 1657648009 (#19740)

Originally Posted by Creature 1657647992 (#19737)

Originally Posted by Creature 1657647977 (#19732)

We should be working for the next ITA shot list

Who should we add? Zugswang? Luco? God_Emperor?

NateTheLesser?

theknightsofneeee?

super jack and wurzel maybe
also ampersand but i might be misremember

superjack for sure, zugs yeah, ge seems like a reasonable inclusion

i dont think i want knights

reading wurzel and amper

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1657647974 (#19731)

Originally Posted by staypositivefriend 1657647963 (#19727)

still think that duckqueen is one of the towniest people in the game

i feel similarly about annulus too actually

i can vibe with duck

i don't feel like i remember much annulus has done today tbh but i don't hate it

Originally Posted by Luco 1657647764 (#19686)

What did bobert do lol

hit! no one has died

Originally Posted by Ephemera 1657647523 (#19613)

Originally Posted by Lissa 1657647408 (#19576)

i think cobalts shooting apo felt more meaningful than zippy tbh

meaningful as in good or as in trying to bus?

meaningful as in villagery/good

valentine seems kinda villagery?

i think cobalts shooting apo felt more meaningful than zippy tbh

Originally Posted by Tsunami 1657647094 (#19497)

Originally Posted by tonystarkprime 1657646772 (#19417)

Vanity top posted day 1 last year. What’s up this year, van?

Busyness is an excuse but

mrr yes nessa might be sus, but. let's not encourage pressure to high post

didn't she have a ton of posts d1 anyway lol?