Type: Posts; User: Dels
spreading correct information post-game is like trying to spread it during the game lol
a handful of posts (including some long ones) (handful means about 4 or 5) were explicitly ghostwritten for one player, on days 6 and 7 only
other than that, none (or incredibly minor to the point i don't recall it) ghostwriting.
Results don't prove balance, but the town got 99.9% way to a victory even with an allstar team of wolves using that role. I don't think any member of town who helped town reach that state has anything to feel bad about. It would only take any small factor to flip the game, even beyond what happened with the day 6 elimination. It shows, at the very least, that it's completely doable.
To me, wolves need some extra things in their favour, because mashes are town-sided. A well-coordinated ITA session by town leaders taking into account reads from every person who knows your meta, is just so hard to beat without having some very strong tricks up your sleeve. The wolf wins I've seen in mashes nearly all involved wolves taking advantage of some key mechanical twist, or with hardcore bussing - never just getting by based on escaping the PoE. (Except Duck Queen - universally trusted despite no mech)
I also come from a community where wolves staying in chat is standard, honestly I've been gone for so long that I forgot it's not standard here. When I saw Wolf Leader effect I didn't think "Whoa!", I just had no reaction, I was like "Oh yeah, that makes sense for a mash, I guess they were all like that?" so that's an additional level of my PoV tbh.
Glory is not zero sum. Us dead wolves were showering Marsh, Duck, Lan with praise all weekend for their endgame skills. But also glory to all the wolves who helped. It's shared. =)
Ooh, and don't forget this, @Hyena.
Grug might be mafia, too, for reducing the argument that SPF mafia to simply she was spewed by Lissa. When I did confront them later about the other stuff, they were pretty dismissive about those points, too.
Also I noticed we both died at the same time and both with exactly 217 posts 😂 Truly two sides of the same coin.
This was really fun!
Had a great time playing with @Hyena again! You played absolutely fantastic, I have never seen you bury someone like that! And great shot on day 5!
And @Parity / @Silvercrys3467 , I think we have seen each other around before, but this was the first time we meaningfully played together, which I appreciated! And hey, you pinged me! I didn't know whose alt you were until way later! But I appreciate it either way. Sorry I had to, y'know, be a wolf.
Shoutout to Yoloswag and Clouds who could both immediately tell my pushes on them were absolutely bull$%#!. @Clouds was a scary good villager, an entire group of wolves all banded onto your wagon that day and when we couldn't get traction, had to nightkill you. Fantastic job working your way out of being a potential elimination.
The entire town played great, wolves just never ran out of thread leaders we were scared of. Balance may be in contention, but we all thought town had this after day 5, y'all solved everything and boxed the wolves in completely there, there was literally not a single shot I could take that wasn't either a) on a wolf, or b) outting. We needed some miracles to slip away after that.
I was very hesitant signing up for this, because my last experiences with mafia before I left were very, uh, painful to say the least. But this may be the first game I can recall that I come out of feeling entirely positive. Largely thanks to the amazing wolf team, best one I've ever had. I will be staying away from the game as I just can't handle all the ISOs, casing, threadcamping, etc anymore and the game is bad for my mental health, but this was genuinely a lovely experience.
Thank you very much to all the hosts.
AP was literally being discussed as a shot by many people. I said I was going to pick someone from PoE, and AP/piplup were the ones I knew most about, but I saw piplup's claim so went the other way. And I saw Parity shot there, and considering Parity was the alternative, that made me just go ahead with it rather than waiting.
Yeah... sigh. =/I knew I didn't like this shotMafia Universe Anniversary 2022 Day 5 Event
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Hello Parity, you are Swowl.
By far the most SWAG bird out there! You played in champs this year, in Game 6 - one of the toughest games to rand villager in by far. You survived until Day 6 (despite Covid) and unfortunately you ended up being the final elimination that landed the wolfteam the win. Since then, you've had time to join a couple of more games on the site, and we hope to see you in many more!
You are a Villager, and you have the following abilities:
- I won't be executed again: If you are ever killed by execution/yeet/etc, you will kill 1 random person on your wagon.
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? For what? She was on a bunch of shotlists and I thought the only thing in her favour was the bodyguard claim which is unproveable and didn't work
Meh.
Okay, I'm going with
Angrypotato
I am not sold on it, I thought her claim was fine, but I don't really have any lock reason to believe it.
And partly I am hoping if this flips red, it will make people hold on Parity.
no, already submitted before that happened. either Weedle or IAWY.
Lmao do not put me in charge of anything
My vote, for whoever wants it is, do not shoot Parity and do not shoot beeboy (i still think town, but didn't have time to ISO because i was freaking responding to psycho)
Otherwise I'm also going to try to pick a shot and then head out as have spent too long here
Whatever. I am not going to shoot Psycho today so this is pointless and going in circles but if I die overnight (likely, unless aph was last poisoner and wolves just don't care about me living with a clear) then please reread this exchange tomorrow, I think Psycho's answers to me have been really bad, he literally did side with aph before the ITAs and only turned later, and is trying to say that I lack "context" for it when that's not the point, wolves obviously have context/progression for why they have their views but it's still a completely valid point that he was on aph's side before ITA and wanted people to shoot capri/santy instead.
[QUOTE=Psycho666Soldier;6175277]
The point is he sacrifices himself to kill someone, even if it's a poison over a bomb. That would still be taking one of Zippy's loves.[/quote[
Dude but if he's a wolf he doesn't care who you advocate for and he'll do whatever he wants, and he'll blow up whoever is best for the wolf team. If you're a wolf then you don't care at all what you convince or don't convince aph to do. That's the point.
Okay, but you brought up a thing that I think doesn't help your case at all. So it looks to me like trying to give a reason why you're townie, but ultimately is nonsensical because advocating for zippy wouldn't matter anyway if you were w/w with aphelios, and so from my PoV that shouldn't even change anything. But yes, my process didn't include the zippy thing because I didn't have the context of why zippy would be a bad kill. The progression isn't the issue, I agree there's a perfectly cromulent explanation for why you could be townleaning aph still before ITAs, then suspicious, then defend, etc etc, but the actions I pointed out are the same. I don't feel I was wrong and I stand by that.
@joqiza that's not a mech clear i have on hyena, it's just a strong townread. but like "my strongest read of the game, i'll quit mafia if i'm wrong because clearly i can't read anything" level (except i already quit but you know what i mean)
also i will be cleared tomorrow (backup poison heal) but i assume you know that from your notes
that seems correct unless aph was able to pre-submit or ensure it goes through.
i pointed out that before itas, psycho sided with aph to push insaner, and shaded santy. and he defended aph after the revive. psycho basically said i'm cherry-picking, because he *also* said he wants to snapshoot aph, which is true, but before ITAs he had zero vocal suspicion of aph.
psycho also said he's towny because he advocated for aph to not bomb zippy, but he literally had two posts first saying "i agree bomb zippy" and "i would shoot zippy". again he says i'm cherrypicking (parapharased) because he later changed his mind, but he still said it.
this is probably still not tl;dr enough but thats the best i can do
wait a minute
aph was a wolf
(duh)
so that means they were lying about having a bomb in the first place.
per their role, they had a poison bomb but that's obviously not a "suicide vest"
and the main point being
if you're a wolf with aph then you know that aph is wolf and isn't bombing a towny
so what does it matter if you did or didn't advocate for zippy to be bombed????
i mean if you're town then yeah it makes sense you'd have this PoV "i tried to protect the towny"
but if you're wolf then it's completely meaningless
@Psycho666Soldier
am i missing something? i want responses from others because i feel like i'm going crazy. psycho brought this up himself too as a reason to townread him, because i never even mentioned zippy.
@Psycho666Soldier ^ above
I think everything you described in that thought process is fair enough, if you're town it's not egregious at all and it makes sense. But I don't feel it really changes anything, because if you're wolf you could easily explain it that way after trying to sway the thread in a pro-aph or bomb-zippy way. Again, my case wasn't "blatant wolf", just that I felt you were pushing views that I thought were wrong. I mean if you're a wolf you're obviously not gonna be blatant so that's what I have to look for. To be clear, I felt this way because I noticed the insaner post and your sus on beeboy, I only noticed the rest when I iso'd because of that.i didn't see you saying you'd snap aphelios so that's my bad. but looking at it now, you say that at 12:39 pm, after aph comes back to life at 12:10. so how does that counter my point? that before the ITA session, you were on aph's side (or at least not pushing for them). and then after that you keep debating and arrive at aph maybe being town too. it's split, but my argument wasn't, like "psycho blatantly wolfsiding", just that it looked like you prefered shots on the others for most of this period. i am of course missing full thread context because i'm reading an iso.
but if you had distrust of aphelios before the ITA period then why did you so easily agree with them about insaner?
also what do you mean you were against them bombing zippy???
you literally say to do it?????
and then you say you'd shoot zippy
i'm assuming your implication here is that you advocated for zippy living but it seems the exact opposite to me? what am i missing?
you take it back at 12:48 in p#41393 suggesting maybe zippy is town. which is fair enough if you reconsidered.(and to be clear, i do not know the zippy situation - that's why i didn't mention it either way - i am gathering from context that we now have reason to think zippy is for suretown, which is why you bring it up, but could be wrong)(i see it now, zippy claimed the other life from valentine so should be town)
@Psycho666Soldier
but you advocated for it at first and of course you had no way of knowing how long aph would wait, so i feel this isn't a clearcut point in your favour?
My main sus was beeboy. I had suspicion on aphelios D2, but was kinda letting them slide for a while because most of. Y early reads were trash. Their EOD last phase skeeved me out a bit, but they also seemed fairly open to pushing Valentine. Meanwhile, I had some casual suspicion on Insaner I wasn't really ready to push without due diligence(hence the meta comment), so I saw concern and wanted to signal boost it in case someone else had thoughts. Which people did and it opened up a dialogue that came to Insaner confirming himself.
Before ITAs today I didn't have a lot of suspicious on aphelios. It was kind of conditional and cautious because we were agreeing on some things and I didn't want to cling to an outdated read and get caught up on tone that hit me wrong.
But when I came back and saw the Wundrus shot and some of his follow-up posts, I got really paranoid because suddenly it felt like he was howling and I didn't trust it.
I did advocate for Zippy at first because I had suspicion on them from yesterday due to their claim. I'll admit I'm wrong there(unless the real n2 extra life has yet to claim), but at the time the mech plan from Kuti made sense. But then as I thought about the mech more and people were talking, it didn't feel like a good target at all, because it basically confirms nothing for us. Even if Zippy was a wolf, taking the extra life would have still got him cred. And if he's town, we just gave wolves an easier kill. On top of that, the more I thought about it, the more there being a n2 counter claim didn't feel like something worth betting on.
I should have shot aphelios tbh. I wish I did. But then again, I missed, and I think Riruka is a wolf anyway so I guess I didn't necessarily make a bad choice. Just not the best one.
I don't really care if you townread me for any of this. I just care about your story being straight, because you're not sloppy like that. Even in a mash, it's slowed down at this point and you clearly had careful consideration for one chunk of my ISO you can actually take time with
@Dels
Who else are you suspicious of right now? What's your read on Riruka?
But that's fine, I don't think there's anything else to say about it because you've said all you could about your process. I just don't see why that would be "sloppy", the things I pointed out are still completely true, even with your explanation of your mindset it is still the case that, before ITAs, someone reading your posts would lean towards shooting the townies and not aph. Do you disagree...?
Riruka is a flipped townie. @psychosoldier666
I don't have any other large suspicions. (And it's not like I think you're lockscum) I am more of a townread/PoE player and right now I feel of the... what is it. 36 players left alive, i feel at least half or more I have good reason to either think is town, or occam's razor as town for now. I'm more focused on trying to protect townreads and trust that the more active players i townread are correctly whittling down the PoE.
uh there's probably a better-written explanation somewhere but from his own mouth this p#40876
i do think there are other reasons but my brain basically filed them away because i already thought insaner town so didn't remember them all
i do recall he was bleeded on day 2 though and there was reason to think it was by wolves.
@Parity
like, am i crazy or is psycho saying "i advocated against bombing zippy" when they literally said to do it. i get changing your mind but thats 20 minutes later and since i didn't even bring up the zippy part, like, you're bringing it up as if you clearcut only advocated to protect zippy there when you clearly didn't. you can't say you advocated to save someone when you had 2 posts literally calling for their death?????
whatever. the last thing i wanted to do is iso beeboy and see if i can towncase, i'm going to do that, then really have to go focus on IRL things, just want to be informed enough to make an ITA shot
Yes, I still vouch for this.
i didn't see you saying you'd snap aphelios so that's my bad. but looking at it now, you say that at 12:39 pm, after aph comes back to life at 12:10. so how does that counter my point? that before the ITA session, you were on aph's side (or at least not pushing for them). and then after that you keep debating and arrive at aph maybe being town too. it's split, but my argument wasn't, like "psycho blatantly wolfsiding", just that it looked like you prefered shots on the others for most of this period. i am of course missing full thread context because i'm reading an iso.
but if you had distrust of aphelios before the ITA period then why did you so easily agree with them about insaner?
also what do you mean you were against them bombing zippy???
you literally say to do it?????
and then you say you'd shoot zippy
i'm assuming your implication here is that you advocated for zippy living but it seems the exact opposite to me? what am i missing?
you take it back at 12:48 in p#41393 suggesting maybe zippy is town. which is fair enough if you reconsidered.(and to be clear, i do not know the zippy situation - that's why i didn't mention it either way - i am gathering from context that we now have reason to think zippy is for suretown, which is why you bring it up, but could be wrong)(i see it now, zippy claimed the other life from valentine so should be town)
@Psycho666Soldier
but you advocated for it at first and of course you had no way of knowing how long aph would wait, so i feel this isn't a clearcut point in your favour?
lmao my first reaction to this before i even registered what the post was, was like "oh my god how is that avatar everywhere its even infecting people's role PMs?!?!?A Shot Rings Out...
Riruka Dokugamine has died. They were a Villager:
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Hello Riruka Dokugamine, you are Lumi.
You're one of the most mathematically, mechanically and statistically inclined players on the site. Possibly THE most? Like, just look at this, as an example. You can't really go many posts without including some kind of calculations, mathematical modelling, probability stuff - honestly it's all just very impressive stuff for us that aren't as trained in the magical world of maffs. And it's just hard not to completely love it.
You are a Villager, and you have the following abilities:
- Do this math: 2 is better than 1: You get 2 ITA shots each day.
Your ITA hit chance percentage cannot be increased by any actions or abilities.
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tl;dr before ita, psycho works together with aphelios to shade insaner (strong town), also shades santy a bit, then advocates to leave aph alive again after first ita shot against aph. looks like trying to get town to shoot capri/santy over aph. (though did call aph scummy a bit as well)What are people's thoughts on this, from Multiverse?
Is loverizing two people the only thing in Psycho's name? I think I recall him having either a pelt or some wolves he pushed as well, so maybe he is just town.
But psycho is the person whose posts I have been the most wary of today, because he's pushing almost all people who I think are town.
Phone posting so forgive my bad iso formatting
In p#40607 he concurs with aphelios trying to shade Insaner. Even though Insaner should be really townread. He follows it up saying, well, don't trust my meta read, check for yourself. But I feel anyone who has been reading Insaner knows there are very good reasons he is town?
P#40741 he also sets up suspicion on santy, noting why his previous townread there could be wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong but santy, aphelios, and Capri were the main people at the top of shots list, right?
He does say aphelios is scummy, but (and I think I get the sequence of events here) when the shot on aph fails and aph claims, he starts to advocate for aph maybe being town after all.
So with him following aph onto insaner and that, am I crazy for thinking it looks like him trying to subtly get the townies on the list shot instead?
Beyond that he's also been suspecting Multi who has seemed town to me since yesterday (just has seemed like someone trying to really put together a picture on the game, has looked in directions which weren't the obvious ones) and beeboy who I read as town. I haven't felt this way about cron or blade or any others who have been leading today. He also tried to suggest maybe voting/shooting me even after I claimed a probable role, though he's taken that back now.
I could be entirely wrong but I want my suspicion noted either way.
My thoughts are that you should add a tldr tbh
Piplup knew about at least the first two when they pushed for joqiza yesterday.
This was the post I remembered that made me think "oh maybe we should look at joqiza, this sounds confident"
actually can we kill joqiza i remember their vote for sleep being hella weird yesterday and this doesn't look much better seeing as how they were willing to shoot qb during itas and then just, didn't vote at all even though they said both mash and qb were scummy (also defended spf and pony)
Piplup pushed to shoot Joqiza p#36907 and asked for joqiza on shotlist even as late as the 5pm ita2 session p#38240, then changes course in p#38320 saying they just noticed the arete shot. Shoots Capri instead a few posts later.
Mostly posting this just for reference, I don't know if it's that scummy, piplup points out that joqiza defended both spf and pony, which is a fair reason for suspicion.
The only thing is I find it sort of weird that she drops it entirely from the arete shot, even though she knows joqiza had already shot at 2 other wolves? Maybe just me personally but I feel I confbias more than that lmao and would be like "well but still maybe...?"
I will clear myself at eod when poisons resolve.
What are people's thoughts on this, from Multiverse?
Is loverizing two people the only thing in Psycho's name? I think I recall him having either a pelt or some wolves he pushed as well, so maybe he is just town.
But psycho is the person whose posts I have been the most wary of today, because he's pushing almost all people who I think are town.
Phone posting so forgive my bad iso formatting
In p#40607 he concurs with aphelios trying to shade Insaner. Even though Insaner should be really townread. He follows it up saying, well, don't trust my meta read, check for yourself. But I feel anyone who has been reading Insaner knows there are very good reasons he is town?
P#40741 he also sets up suspicion on santy, noting why his previous townread there could be wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong but santy, aphelios, and Capri were the main people at the top of shots list, right?
He does say aphelios is scummy, but (and I think I get the sequence of events here) when the shot on aph fails and aph claims, he starts to advocate for aph maybe being town after all.
So with him following aph onto insaner and that, am I crazy for thinking it looks like him trying to subtly get the townies on the list shot instead?
Beyond that he's also been suspecting Multi who has seemed town to me since yesterday (just has seemed like someone trying to really put together a picture on the game, has looked in directions which weren't the obvious ones) and beeboy who I read as town. I haven't felt this way about cron or blade or any others who have been leading today. He also tried to suggest maybe voting/shooting me even after I claimed a probable role, though he's taken that back now.
I could be entirely wrong but I want my suspicion noted either way.
How would I know? I didn't even know I was targeted until earlier. Whatever happened has nothing to do with me, I'm not claiming to have had a vest or been informed of anything else or whatever.
I also confirm not to have an extra life or whatever the other ping earlier was asking.
Not back back yet, just responding to pings ATM.
Phone battery dying, should try to get some more sleep. Might shoot ita2 today instead of ita1, want to read up on Piplup/joqisk, also see if I can make case for beeboy town
Lol. I was like, is this a trick question.
I only became active this morning? I'm backup.
Outed my roleclaim not outted as a wolf lmao
Oh, was that a thing?
I wasn't aware of that, was he specifically day-roleblocked? I do not pay much attention to role stuff so it's not something I thought about.
I was going on shot lists so it was just time to claim either way
It's okay I just took the straightforward choice.sorry dels i didnt see your questions because i was looking for gifs ):So I should wifom it? Or wait? What is the chance then they just shoot me to avoid it?
Again sorry, I am really bad at role stuff, I am literally a mountainous player I don't have the brain for this sort of strategy (ping with any responses)
(Or did I...? Wolves should shoot you because I clearly saved you. Definitely.)
Okay, I submitted poison heal. Too nerve-wracking to consider waiting, kuti was right. Sorry if it was better to wait but should be fine.
...for wifom reasons I won't say who I used it on... Yes wolves I know you can guess but I am a wildcard and you truly never know.
Well obviously. I'll be cleared tomorrow (unless someone tries to counterclaim it or something)
So I should wifom it? Or wait? What is the chance then they just shoot me to avoid it?
Again sorry, I am really bad at role stuff, I am literally a mountainous player I don't have the brain for this sort of strategy (ping with any responses)
I was literally just about to go submit it now, if you have any strong case for this then please make it but otherwise kuti has kind of scared me and I want to get it off before some random dayvig shot or whatever, and now is claiming vig and is basically also nearly guerantees town for that and for being poisoned so why would iawy be better? Ping with reaponse
Lmaoooo, the irony
I am never going to stop holding this over your head 😂
Also I admit I kind of skimmed it at first, I do see now my name was in there
If anyone else agrees with kuti that I should just submit action asap instead of waiting for IAWY then I'll do it now
Or rather, I'll send it now unless anyone pings me to say it's better to wait in the next 5 minutes
Sorry I'm bad at role stuff
Smh weedle I thought the $%#!post was going to be about me 😣
Is there a reason to do it before ITAs? I thought dayvigs happen an hour in and there's otherwise nothing? (Unless there's an event that rewards more?) I can submit it now, I just thought I should wait in case IAWY claims something really good or whatever first.BRUH why are you risking this @DelsOh, that's a good point, a wolf with a silent shot (or their proclivity to out by shooting) could shoot me, that's true. It'd be worth it to guarantee their poison.
Yeah, unless anyone has a reason otherwise I'll submit by 11:59 then
Yes.
Oh, that's a good point, a wolf with a silent shot (or their proclivity to out by shooting) could shoot me, that's true. It'd be worth it to guarantee their poison.
Yeah, unless anyone has a reason otherwise I'll submit by 11:59 then
I think cron (or someone else?) just said it's because zippy shot apogee, but that apparently apogee was already red checked by another wolfI actually have no clue why Zippy got cleared. I remember I was reading them wack for their claim, and I think Lumi agreed and put them on the shotlist, but then they were taken off and I never heard any real reason
I still think Zippy's claim is too close to mine, but I'm willing to acquiesce that it doesn't lock them as a wolf
I can do it any time up until an hour before EoD
Not going to submit it immediately in case anything comes up that would change the decision
Originally Posted by Hyena