Why are you voting the real vig?
Type: Posts; User: Sett
Why are you voting the real vig?
Can you elaborate on your thoughts regarding Frog & panda's interactions?thinking of stuff like 107, 39,67; it's an escalation that seems to just shut out any degree of curiosity around the slot, &i'm less inclined to chalk that up to style when there were multiple points along the way where people were like "hey, what if--"
nah for me i don't get genuine at all
like the tunneling you're getting at is a big part of why the slot doesn't sit so well with me, i get intense deadended-wolf vibes from his first trimester posts @ not just cobalt but also werepanda- the later stuff is like, better but mostly it just feels like he spoke w/ a publicist in his time out of thread
similar thing happens w/ Cobes (made more intense by the OOG circumstances), just kind of clinging to the least charitable, &i think moth coming inn to push against that puts the whole interaction in relief
v v much enjoy appreciate keeping raj & frog in competition
Why has my EoD been bad btw.
I agree with Guillo this probably isn't a good threadstate / time to mess around.
I mean do I really think Raji is partners with Frog or Cobalt? Not atm, but the possibility is there. I still independently scumread Raji & Frog.
I think someone made an associative read as to why Raji/Frog don’t fit together but I don’t recall what it was or who made it.
It’s really not, it’s as simple as I think you’re being opportunistic and I’m suspicious of you and others share the same sentiment so I feel more confident in voting you.Sett's push is 11% in bad faith
he's distancing himself from my supposed wolf mindset and judging me from a distance while hiding behind "i'm not the only one who thinks so, so i'm justified in calling you a wolf"
especially
not "that it's wolfy"
it's "how it looks"
he knows my play looks bad and he's taking advantage of that
I’m pretty happy with both of the top wagons. Maybe I have a boring worldview/haven’t read enough into other players, but I don’t really see who I’d vote over Raji/Frog.
Fwiw I think Fable is now my most confident townread, that interaction with robyn was very good iyam.
Idk, I think Frog is scummy and Cobalt is kind of a coinflip. It’s possible, though both of them being a wolf with you is very unlikely since I don’t think Frog/Cobalt are ever w/w.are they my partners then?? tell mehA) They could be your partnerscan you tell me why i didn't do this with frog or continue doing it with cobalt instead of expressing my suspicion that the wagons might be v/v
opportunism implies that i do something to further my agenda because there's an easy opportunity to do so, so why would i take this overly complicated route when i could just plop my vote on frog or cobalt and keep it there like what everyone else did?
B) They could be too easy of a push/lhf that it would look suspicious if you pursued it randomly.
C) Whatever justification you want to give yourself, because ultimately the fact is that the way you went about these pushes (myself & Prince) looks opportunistic to me and I’m not the only one that thinks so. No amount of reasoning you try to provide is going to change how that looks.
b is actual cap because frog alone had like 8 votes on them with a bunch of them being naked iirc
A) They could be your partnerscan you tell me why i didn't do this with frog or continue doing it with cobalt instead of expressing my suspicion that the wagons might be v/vI’m talking about the type of opportunism when you see the thread is discussing someone, a few players express suspicion/cast a vote there and you pile on top.which aspect of opportunism are you talking about?
is wolf!me looking for an easy way to get towncred? easy way to vote someone without having to make up a reason to do so?
because if that's what you mean, then i could probably do a lot better than post in a way that makes everyone go ????
You did this with me and you apprently did this with (Prince J I wanna say? Need to go back and check moth’s post I’m on mobile rn just catching up).
opportunism implies that i do something to further my agenda because there's an easy opportunity to do so, so why would i take this overly complicated route when i could just plop my vote on frog or cobalt and keep it there like what everyone else did?
B) They could be too easy of a push/lhf that it would look suspicious if you pursued it randomly.
C) Whatever justification you want to give yourself, because ultimately the fact is that the way you went about these pushes (myself & Prince) looks opportunistic to me and I’m not the only one that thinks so. No amount of reasoning you try to provide is going to change how that looks.
I’m talking about the type of opportunism when you see the thread is discussing someone, a few players express suspicion/cast a vote there and you pile on top.which aspect of opportunism are you talking about?
is wolf!me looking for an easy way to get towncred? easy way to vote someone without having to make up a reason to do so?
because if that's what you mean, then i could probably do a lot better than post in a way that makes everyone go ????
You did this with me and you apprently did this with (Prince J I wanna say? Need to go back and check moth’s post I’m on mobile rn just catching up).
I’m mainly wolfreading you due to your opportunism which seems to be a sentiment I share with at least a few others (I think moth said something about it).
Posts like these bother me because of the way you and others have been pushing me (hint, it’s just naked votes/uneasyness around me), it’s like you guys know I flip town but you’re afraid to commit to the scumread because it will look very bad when I don’t flip scum.
It’s kind of level 1-ish but I genuinely think most of you don’t actually have a good reason to scumread me.
I don’t like Gwen’s push on me either as all they’ve said about me is that I’m underwhelming, which I guess I have been but that’s not really scummy per say unless you can explain why it’s specifically scummy for me.I mean. I did that to two posts.
One was saying Raj was scummier then sett, and then voting sett.
The second was saying that Raj and Sett were not w/w.
Felt like they were trying to tie them together in a t/w kinda way so they can push them tomorrow
@Kang The Conqueror
Twice was town in Persona mash iirc.
Leaning town:
Cape90
Fable
Kang the Conqueror
Prince J
robyn
Schiavetto (very slightly)
wiggles1993
Haven’t read/null:
BATMAN
Cobalt
DoctorZeus
Duskfall
Evil Nuns Forget Prayers
Gwen
Jalandh
moth
Twice Shrunk
werepanda
Zenon
Leaning scum:
Frogsterking
Rajidae
Not much almost done with ketchup, probably going to post a loose readlist then dip til EoD.
This is how I felt about Raji’s vote on me.
Yeah
##Vote Rajidae
Hit reply too early.This is the 4th vote on me with little to no reasoning. Prince had some reasoning but even he admits it’s not that strong and he doesn’t seem to be pushing me for the sake of pushing me.
Prince/wiggles/Kang/Raji
May contain at least 1 scum. Based on individual reading I would lean towards Rajidae as the timing of the vote as well as how it came to be felt opportunistic (robyn and Kang just got done voting/expressing suspicion on me, so my wagon started to become viable, especially with wiggles vote)
This is the 4th vote on me with little to no reasoning. Prince had some reasoning but even he admits it’s not that strong and he doesn’t seem to be pushing me for the sake of pushing me.
Prince/wiggles/Kang/Raji
May contain at least 1 scum. Based on individual reading I would lean towards
I used to be pick/ban.
Now I’m a niche cho’gath counter.
Idt Prince has been lacking today, comparatively speaking.From experience the guy freezes a lot as a wolf.
I wolfed with him last month and he basically spent much of d1 frozen until he SB'd while as town he's generally more fluid.
IMO he's one of my preferred yeets today.
You ask for my attention and then you do this.
The audacity.
We’re all waiting for your presentation Mr. Kang.
He did the same thing (playing differently) in the Persona mash iirc. I would lean toward NAI on that alone.
Just wanted to say if you find someone talking out of their $%#! you should push them if you think they’re a wolf not just as a policy for talking out of their $%#!.
Were you in that “everyone is a suicide bomber” game Anne hosted recently where I was killed first for similar reasons and I flipped village?
Idk I found them saying they found a post of mine very scummy while Prince was pushing me only to retract that statement due to lack of evidence is annoyingly townie.eh I dont think this is lucy towngame at all.
self questioning
wondering why no one is pressuring them
And the bizarre hard white knighting of werepanda
I wonder if I just sound stupid or if what im thinking here is legit. far from an expert on lucy meta but this isnt how I remember them behaving
##Vote robyn
I don’t think w!robyn does it like that, probably just quotes the post in question in the original statement for credibility. Unless WIFOM derping in which case it’s w/e.
Eh yeah I agree with this.I saw this in recognition Myself/Sett have dueled each other for like 3+ games in a row and it feels we are more sparring partners at this point and would like to engage him/need more from him considerably for my personal opinion to grow on him while also just feeling similar to when I was calling him scum from very early on and being called looney only to be proven right at end-game.
This is minor, however, I just feel more this is coasty Sett waiting for others to pick up more pressure then him while also engaging in minimal social commentary towards other levels of engagement.
Though, I usually find Sett scummy so meh. I just feel like his content from entry is luke-warm and just feel like he is trying to survive through D1 rather than be an active influence towards the solve which errs of me on the side of suspicion towards him.
That's more the in detail thoughts from the top of my head.
I am solving though I’m just not super into the game/have put my thoughts together yet.
Actually the fact you refused to give a read on me when pressured about it is nagl because I’d expect you to have some sort of reasoning for randomly starting a wagon on me when you seem fairly connected to the thread, as opposed to the recent games where you’ve just kind of shown up and talked about how you feel about reading the game instead of becoming more directly involved.
Your vote sucks and your posts are fine.
What exactly are you expecting? I don’t really have much to say. If I did I probably would have already.
Not exactly the angle I was referring to, it's more like "if he's scum he will probably play in such a way that he ends up getting outed and in a likely claim battle with a PR".
Idk I've seen Batman play like this before let's hope if he's scum we find his teammates before he outs the joat.
If he's town then it's probably fine for now.
I'll take it as a compliment lol
Like I said, if Cobalt is town, he doesn't care about claiming VT, knowing full well what claiming VT implies.You dont get the point snd i dont believe you dont get the point. Every time you dont meet my high sexpectations from you, you have flipped not town.
Vanilla’s job is to do the heavy lifting for PR during the day and cover for them.
By claiming vanilla, if ge is indeed town, now scum knows that he is not PR so they will not kill there, if Cobalt keeps on living, scum can sort him out and deduce who else could be a PR.
The fact that Cobalt claimed so early with just a push from Frog, If he was not a wolf panicking, he is a townie making an anti-town move.
And Sett, last time we both were town together you accused someone of being scum for claiming too early. Yea, i do remember
The move being anti-town does not mean the move is inexplicable for town to make.
Consider the context of the situation and my thoughts on it and it's pretty easy to see why I said what I said.
I think it's precisely something a new player would opt into, if any type of player was going to do that it'd likely be a new player imo.I think mafia solving is probably about 33% meta information, patterns, habits, trusting other peoples past experiences with players. it is a pretty decent tool for learning about others and some players have very easily defined traits as mafia which are known trade secrets within a community. some people it takes one expert in meta to rip a scumteam member apart. it is a powerful tool and useful and has endless utility.
so to immediately say youll
not be hearing any cases where it has to do with past habits and patterns does not seem like something a brand new player would opt into without a reason why
I mean didn't someone else ITT say that ISOing was pointless because you would only confbias yourself?
Fable is w/e. Had some decent takes but I'm not a fan of the slot (don't think they're quite hitting the 'might be town' mark).
Frogster I agree with whoever said they are obvious scum or level 0 villager because that's more or less where I am with the slot. Some weird inconsistencies that I pointed out earlier. Leaning towards scum.
To be honest the way I'm interpreting the situation so far is that Frog saw the opportunity to push you for reasons he thought were valid.weird at first, sure
like, treating the game as if it's a turbo when it's 48 hours long as Fable said is one thing, that's a playstyle difference
but claiming his own scumreads had no confidence and then immediately buckling down and deathtunneling me and campaigning with other people to vote me is not just weird, it is extremely wolfy
Whether that's because he wanted to mishang you or because he genuinely believed them I'm not certain, I think reading his ISO should be telling with how far he's reading into things/what kind of playstyle he has.
Just a few more pages.
100% agree.The stakes were not high enough or needed for that, I think it's pretty clear regardless of alignment cobalt had a little anger episode and it was not towards a partner.Ive seen it done by other players before. It gets town sympathetic and leave you alone.
Watch the next 2 pages be a tangential discussion on the usefulness of the ISO button.isoing is literally not a good way of solving (usually) unless you are the type of person who loves to proactively confbias yourself
I mean you kind of answered your own question iyam, if he’s a townie he doesn’t care.
Damn people were really missing me.
No worries almost caught up.
I like this read tbh.
Cobalt I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume people know how you play (especially recently) if you haven’t played with them before.not like this
not 3 hours into the game insisting I'm slanking or not participating to whatever bull$%#! parameters they have for participation
not completely ignoring the post I made about what I have going on irl this week as to why I didn't want to read or get involved in the game yet
it's just so $%#!ing weak and fake and STUPID lmfao this person is either a terrible player or a really obvious wolf and I don't care either way tbh
I think it is reasonable to criticize the play in question because while I do agree with you irt the suspicion on you from Frog I don’t think it’s unreasonable for v!Frog to think that way especially if you consider their playstyle.
I get that it pisses you off but still.
I’m curious as to why Prince J shouldn’t be able to know you’re town but Kang was supposed to figure that out within 20 posts or so.
I’m honestly surprised you posted this much already.again, it has been like THREE HOURS since the game went live.
how are you measuring engagement? why am I being held to a parameter of expected involvement in the game that by the time three hours had passed in a 48 hour phase I would already be involved to the point of passing your supposed standards of engagement?
this literally makes no $%#!ing sense lmfao
Originally Posted by Fable
