you mean amb?? (also, idk what gumshoe means)
Type: Posts; User: AlbertinoDias
you mean amb?? (also, idk what gumshoe means)
fair enough, can't really argue with that, i know it's not true, dunno how to show it to youI don't really wanna get into a deep strategy discussion over this.
The bottom line is: your reactions to Shortaru's claims did NOT strike me as the reactions of a player who is open to solving the game.
Your reactions to Shortaru's claims DID strike me as the reactions of a player who wanted to put a wolf-read on Shortaru and would interpret individual posts in whatever way made that look like that read was justified.
sad, tag me when you play again, maybe i'll have time then and i'll show you :muscle:
dude, ik, i've been saying sorry for that reason xD, and i've been trying to show RE thats mostly wifom and not called here, but she was too focused on it being a slip, sorry, really...God $#@!ing damn it, @AlbertinoDias. I care too much about game sanctity here to let this digress into an OoG $#@!fest. Consider yourself moved down to love/slight-hate.
@RE1031, @Wisp:
i not think hard
RE1031 maybe town
tunel not good
admin i know then is osie
- PaiiiaRomana
i fully blame myself in that, no counter arguments besides, i remenber minmeling(?) with him, your call if you believe or not xD (that's not really "contraditory", but i get it)Because your opinion of him seems to have only materialized AFTER he became a leading lynch prospect.
There is no evidence of you agreeing with his arguments or contradicting his attackers, so your explanation for village-reading him appears fabricated.
And you admit it's partly predicated on a Short=Wolf assumption which has been disproven.
omg this took so much more time than i antecipated xD
any questions, i'll be online so yeah
Dias quest to "try" to look interested in the game cuz that's totally what's happening (yes osie, this is for you, and i really pondered about lynching you with prejudice, also, well talk about eduardo post game)
why amberiat can be scum:
It may be a difference in playstyle or whatever, but i find self-meta as scummy expecially if it is done to manipulate (wich seems what amb is triying to say) therefore saying it's Nai doesn't look good
idk about you, but i'm not found of blanck votes, and gwen's posts till there weren't really as bad as "ho we need to lynch this" (and if we compare them to all the AMBEnai, oof)
this vote "time stamp" doesn't suit for me as well, chad and DT where the main wagons with DT being tied up to chad after, and sho coming right behind them, this gwen vote doesn't sounds well, it's too spred out for a blank vote...
wording seems weird, we now know at least chad is town, but saying that voting chad is better than dt withou reasons is bad, just looks like shade.I would not be opposed to Shinichi/Gwen wagons.
Definitely better than DT being up there, looks like people are trying to get rid of him and/or save Shinichi.
(#725 looks like he's describing herself)
amb focus a bit in saying that DT is an obviouse counter wagon to save chad... we know chad is town... i don't know if i should look at this as someone that was blinded, or mafia trying to advocate(??) for his partner
this says that the only reason he doesn't like vigg is because they don't have the same reads, wolfyFor point 1: You put it in the lead????? You do realize that 1) I had absolutely nothing to do with thst wagon forming and 2) you proposed gwen before I made a single post in the game
For point 2: between you and RE one of you is faking that read on Gwen either due to TMI or because Gwen is a teammate. Timing wise RE looks worse by default, but I didn't like how you immediately jumped in the game with views that are completely the opposite of mine.
i agree (with vigg)
(P#787) she calls out vigg for lying cuz she explained why gwen is a good wagon, lmao what explenation?? xD
(P#789) she has a point, but over reacts a bit cuz her FoS onto re is horrible, and someone could have easly not pay much attention to it
here we have the scum read onto vigg, again, it's based on the fact that he can't understand her, this is not a wolf tell, is a baised read.I've answered the questions that should've been answered.
Anything else is just you being ignorant to facts for some reason
Me scum reading you is based on the fact that you wouldn't be so ignorant to simple rational judgements unless you were scum and I made you feel uncomfortable for whatever reason.... like being on the right track
The first 2 paragraphs sounds like he doesn't want to colaborate -...-
if this is not the scum team, there is a scum in one of these inactives, like what? this doesn't even have basis gosh...
(P#805) proper gwen read, much better than the other ones, i think this may fall into gwens meto tho
This post references basically everything you've said recently. Before you claim that I "ignored" your questions again.Because I wanted to.
I'm not going to create a repeat of Viggo vs Phighter here so I'll just ignore you
I'll leave you be because I can admit that I'm mostly scum reading you because you jumped in the thread and every "opinion" you had directly opposed mine, really that's the starting point of our conflict.
If you do happen to be scum I'll have you dead sooner or later anyway.
If you're town and unwilling to work with me without resorting to insults then go dance somewhere else because I'm not having you anymore.
Ftr you're not producing jack $#@! either, while I'm actually putting stuff out there, you're just trying to dismiss every single thing I say which is never beneficial for you unless you're scum tbh. I'll leave others to weigh in with their opinions of our interactions but I'm fairly certain this is mostly just you being incapable to let go of your ego and help town win.
Also, you said something about me just throwing $#@! around to see what sticks.
Yeah that's what I'm doing, to produce content to help town solve the game, you think that's not good play? Well that's something, because I happen to have the exact opposite opinion. It would be fine if you just disliked my play because you had different views, but you're literally nitpicking and trying to discredit not only my reads, but every single thing about my play, which if you're town is a lack of the most basic common sense.
Or you're a wolf, take your pick.
self awereness is good, he can see how his scum read is horrible, but self awereness != towny.
the last 2 paragraphs, admit's he's throwing $#@! around to see what sticks, somethig i believe is admiting you are wolf (cuz you just post to post and hope something is of value)
Amb also says she will stop doing this, that doesn't hapen, is that wolfy? no, but its hilarious cuz it reminds me of myself xD
vigg is right tho. (this means your post is wolfy, and this looks as a bad aptent to discredit his post)Something something woof woof
sounds like TMI, (i'm basing this of as dt being mafia, lol, even so, i can sort dt later with amb flip)Wasn't any
100% wagon formations
Actually I have a confession to make, I don't remember a single post from DT, and I think I barely skimmed through a few of his posts for the entire game
yep.
(P#1657) not a scummy post imo, but that is appeal to authority and it was funny how he didn't realise it and asked if astros even knew what it was xD
##Vote Amberiat
let'sstartpush a counter!!!
@Grant
also, wjy do you think me thinking vigg is town from my catchup is contraditory?? o.O
i mean, it makes sense, but how to discern a good from a bad lie?? cuz i can't (same with sarcasm btw, some times i'm 100% sure something is sarcasm, other times somethign that should be 100% sarcasm i can't get it xD) and again, the fact that it was jk...
i'm not joking xD irl threw me a curve ball so i'm prob replacing out, PRESSURE ME!!! (i mean, don't if you want
cuz if you lie once, why would i believe the second time? lol, also, the facct that jk is safest thing to claim as mafia in that caseOk fair enough, but that's half the story- if you didn't like the initial VT claim then why were you challenging his subsequent JK claim?
Since you correctly sniffed out that his spurious VT claim was false, wouldn't a natural reaction be:
"A-ha! I knew your VT claim was fishy! Now I find your JK claim more believable because it matches my previous suspicions!"
ha, and i wasn't defending short, the oposite, i didn't liek that claimJumps into a conversation with what appears to be a defense(?) of Short; seems like he's wondering why Short's DT claim should attract suspicion
Leter one says he "doesn't like" Short's VT claim? This seems to form the nucleus of the push on Short which consumes the rest of his day 1
Not sure what to make of this comment, I know my slot's alignment but Emma shouldn't have been immune to being analyzed so what's he getting at with this cutesy question
Somehow agrees with an unknown "point" about Emma which seems to justify Emma later ending up as a scum lean... the rest kinda feels naural (although you do have a point with little emma)
Shin had 3 votes and was in the top-3 wagons at this point. Seems like the first we hear of how shin "can't" be a wolf from Dias.
This appears to the be the start of Dias wolf-reading Eduard
I don't know who Chad is? If it's Shin, then this is a solid counter-vote to protect his villager read.
Stupid question. Obviously he initially claimed VT to cover up his power role. This looks like unwarranted shade on Short.
So at first he was OK with the VT claim.
Then he "didn't like" the VT claim.
Now he doesn't like the VT claim being rescinded by a wagon under pressure.
This progression seems designed to constantly find an excuse to wolf-read short.
Very contrary read. why....?
... translation:
1. Even though I never mentioned this previously, I agreed with a lot of Viggo's posts & reasoning
2. I thought Short was a wolf, which meant his push on Viggo made Viggo more likely to be a villager. And even though Short has now flipped Villager, it doesn't change that feeling (???)
RE's "point" on Emma was she was low presence.
And yet you're claiming "low presence" as your own excuse for failing to explain your read on her.
Doesn't add up.
tldr;
- inconsistent reactions to Short's role claims
- incoherent reasoning on Emma + Vigg
- had a mysteriously strong certainty on Shin's alignment
I'd leave Dias alive today in case he's actually a seer but if wolves don't pick him off then he's low on the POE.
i'll get a hold of this to say, if you wanna kill em, do it today(day pahse) cuz tmr i'm prob not here (me as in Dias not the slot)Jumps into a conversation with what appears to be a defense(?) of Short; seems like he's wondering why Short's DT claim should attract suspicion
Leter one says he "doesn't like" Short's VT claim? This seems to form the nucleus of the push on Short which consumes the rest of his day 1
Not sure what to make of this comment, I know my slot's alignment but Emma shouldn't have been immune to being analyzed so what's he getting at with this cutesy question
Somehow agrees with an unknown "point" about Emma which seems to justify Emma later ending up as a scum lean... the rest kinda feels naural (although you do have a point with little emma)
Shin had 3 votes and was in the top-3 wagons at this point. Seems like the first we hear of how shin "can't" be a wolf from Dias.
This appears to the be the start of Dias wolf-reading Eduard
I don't know who Chad is? If it's Shin, then this is a solid counter-vote to protect his villager read.
Stupid question. Obviously he initially claimed VT to cover up his power role. This looks like unwarranted shade on Short.
So at first he was OK with the VT claim.
Then he "didn't like" the VT claim.
Now he doesn't like the VT claim being rescinded by a wagon under pressure.
This progression seems designed to constantly find an excuse to wolf-read short.
Very contrary read. why....?
... translation:
1. Even though I never mentioned this previously, I agreed with a lot of Viggo's posts & reasoning
2. I thought Short was a wolf, which meant his push on Viggo made Viggo more likely to be a villager. And even though Short has now flipped Villager, it doesn't change that feeling (???)
RE's "point" on Emma was she was low presence.
And yet you're claiming "low presence" as your own excuse for failing to explain your read on her.
Doesn't add up.
tldr;
- inconsistent reactions to Short's role claims
- incoherent reasoning on Emma + Vigg
- had a mysteriously strong certainty on Shin's alignment
I'd leave Dias alive today in case he's actually a seer but if wolves don't pick him off then he's low on the POE.
"- inconsistent reactions to Short's role claims"
1- would want to know more about this one
"- incoherent reasoning on Emma + Vigg"
2- welp, can't argue with it tbh xD although i wouldn't call it incoherent , gotta search this word, lol
"had a mysteriously strong certainty on Shin's alignment"
3- i know chad, for me he didn't seem like mafia in the first 10 pages, and i also didn't like cho, nor the arguments ill page 10 for voting chad, that why i was confident in chad
10, 18/2=9
i already hammered once without knowing, being cautiouse is not a bad thin
nha, i'm working on the reads, the vote is there untill i post them
guys vigg is -L3... don't forget we have majority now
yes, I'm Portuguese
i'll let osie answer ;-; (sorry osie, i'll compensate you)
also, dinner, yay \o/
osie did play in that game lmao, and osie is going to kill me because i said it, and i already regret it and i'll have to apologise, i made a mistake in the acc he used xD (and as i said, i confused where it happened...)
finished catching up +/-, doing a reads post, need to talk to soie more tho, didn't like he calling my read on him reachy :thinking: but i do feel better about him.
Actually, I forgot I was still voting ed.I may have to if his train doesn't grow. Perhaps you missed it but he had an unexplainable reason for knowing another player's identity.
I'm decently comfortable with both of them being scum, but I'm a tiny bit thrown off by the disconnect in neither of them being able to explain how Dias knew ed was osie before he revealed his identity.[/QUOTE]
girl, jsut cuz osie doesn't remenber it doesn't eman it didn't happen, and i will talk to osie about this psot game, and you 2, cuz this is past wifom... i though i had it on paper, i didn't, i doubted myself, then i remenber, you're the one that doesn't buy it, it's not me that can't explai it, lmao
I may have to if his train doesn't grow. Perhaps you missed it but he had an unexplainable reason for knowing another player's identity.[/QUOTE]
>i don't buy that you had a voice chat with osie, you must be scum
>Dias doesn't have a explainable reason for knowing another player's identity.
lmao
if anyone has questions on specific cases for me, tag me, cuz i'm working on explaining some of my reads, so i'll be here fo +/- more 20min
post right before this one... would have tot alk to him directly, untill he comes welp, scum read meI think it was a dumb mistake. Until you can explain to me where you learned his identity, I don't see another plausible explanation.can't say anything more, the truth is the truth, before i go to sleep jsut ponder on what i said, why would osie say he doens't remenber it isntead of saying yes i told him, if he was my partner?Because you claimed you knew something that wasn't revealed elsewhere. I don't see how you could have known ed was osie if not for being partners with each other. Where else could you have learned it? Now you are claiming you "dreamed" of it? That sounds not believable. There is another explanation.
Also, why would i back down in my claim if i am his partner, wouldn't he later post saying i'm telling the truth?, wouldn't he have talked to em during the night so we could have our story straight? RE...
(also, yes, there is anotehr explenation, he could have said it during a call... wich anyway i wouldn't be able to rpove, but let that one sink in)can't say anything more, the truth is the truth, before i go to sleep jsut ponder on what i said, why would osie say he doens't remenber it isntead of saying yes i told him, if he was my partner?Because you claimed you knew something that wasn't revealed elsewhere. I don't see how you could have known ed was osie if not for being partners with each other. Where else could you have learned it? Now you are claiming you "dreamed" of it? That sounds not believable. There is another explanation.well I already admitted i was "dreaming" of knowing the "eduardo" alias, but how does it lock us? he got confused on how i knew it, why would my partner do that instead of going along with it? surely he could have asked me in the chat... so, why does it lock us?
Also, why would i back down in my claim if i am his partner, wouldn't he later post saying i'm telling the truth?, wouldn't he have talked to em during the night so we could have our story straight? RE...
can't say anything more, the truth is the truth, before i go to sleep jsut ponder on what i said, why would osie say he doens't remenber it isntead of saying yes i told him, if he was my partner?Because you claimed you knew something that wasn't revealed elsewhere. I don't see how you could have known ed was osie if not for being partners with each other. Where else could you have learned it? Now you are claiming you "dreamed" of it? That sounds not believable. There is another explanation.well I already admitted i was "dreaming" of knowing the "eduardo" alias, but how does it lock us? he got confused on how i knew it, why would my partner do that instead of going along with it? surely he could have asked me in the chat... so, why does it lock us?
Also, why would i back down in my claim if i am his partner, wouldn't he later post saying i'm telling the truth?, wouldn't he have talked to em during the night so we could have our story straight? RE...
well I already admitted i was "dreaming" of knowing the "eduardo" alias, but how does it lock us? he got confused on how i knew it, why would my partner do that instead of going along with it? surely he could have asked me in the chat... so, why does it lock us?
he did play in that game, i may have talked more than i can tho (osie don't kill me ;-Then how did you learn of his identity prior to him revealing it this game?dunno, can't really explain it, on the otehr hand, it explains why he was puzzled by me saying i knew it...
lol, i'm not that idiot and you know it -...-
but osie did play in bob's burger....ok, it appears i've been lying to myself... but i swer he talked about some eduardo.... :thinking:Surprisingly I kind of agree with that read of Tainted, but there still isn't enough content from him for me to be sure. He is less tunnel-y of insignificant things this game, than he was in the other event game. But that meta doesn't need to be consistent as scum.
Hmm, okay.
Why can't you give me the game? It was on MAL? But I don't recall a MAL game that ed played in?
ok, it appears i've been lying to myself... but i swer he talked about some eduardo.... :thinking:Surprisingly I kind of agree with that read of Tainted, but there still isn't enough content from him for me to be sure. He is less tunnel-y of insignificant things this game, than he was in the other event game. But that meta doesn't need to be consistent as scum.
Hmm, okay.
Why can't you give me the game? It was on MAL? But I don't recall a MAL game that ed played in?
yes, it was on mal, i didn't play in it, i think it was the one i helped Ruu as co-host... gimme 1 min...Surprisingly I kind of agree with that read of Tainted, but there still isn't enough content from him for me to be sure. He is less tunnel-y of insignificant things this game, than he was in the other event game. But that meta doesn't need to be consistent as scum.
Hmm, okay.
Why can't you give me the game? It was on MAL? But I don't recall a MAL game that ed played in?
i think tainted is laid back/calm, and is not focusing too much in reading everyone, wich is what i remenber from his past games (can allways be wrong tho), and the cherry, what other ppl have been saying, the activity ligns up with the town gamesIn that case, what specifically do you find here that resembles Shattiel's town meta?
That's some really vague reasoning on Vigg. Anything he did in particular that strikes you as much?
Who would you vote, then? (And will you.)
it is, sorry, but i did told you it was at the top of the head, i can also tell you i didn't feel like he had any kind of agenda when clashing with short, but most of it are guts
as of right now, i would like to pressure osie a bit more... @eduardoleones why did you reveal who you where? (and also tell the game where you played that after it you revealed to me who you where, Re asked, idk the name).
##Vote eduardoleones
yes ma'am, i've played with tainted some times already (never scum not gonna lie) and i'm on breaking ground, let me AtE and give me a chance here :3I found a number of his earlier posts awkward, and he hasn't really provided too many original thoughts of his own. I want to see him do that. Reminds me.Def yay you. But how so? Have you seen their scum meta? And why rely on what you've heard rather than what you've seen?
What's your reasoning on Vigg?
I agree with 3 of your scumreads, so that's something. More explanation, please. Curious if there's something else to it you've noticed.
welp on vigg i think it's more of a, hooo you're right, in a lot of times and that kinda made me start town reading them, their posts don't seem mafia aligned adn i can get behind the reasoning.
It also had shor influence, since i though he was scum, i though the push on vigg was an agenda... gotta rethink now, but i don't think shor fliping town changes that much, i like vigg :3
i can say osie a bit, i don't like how he was using "meta" and very near EoD he revealed who he was to validate it, and i kinda saw him revealing himself as some kind of AtE to lynch chad, wich rubbed me the wrong way
normally, in MS a jailor is like a RB/doc, ToS is RB/DOC/1night manson, so the target would have to be killed by a lvl 2 atack, the jailor himself a lvl 1 atack would be ok
ok... so, idk how to enter threads, i guess i do am guilty of that.It was an odd impression I got that needed to be questioned. Hence me asking now for the game you are speaking of. However there were other reasons, namely you trying to appease others through questioning their reads or asking for them but failing to provide some of your own. You said I had a point about Emma - but never followed up on this or provided a read of you own on her. I don't view that as townie.My post doesn't say that's the only reason, it says you think bad of me... and you do... i just had the feeling that was our "conection" if i'm wrong please tell me what i've miss read.
Don't remenber the name, it was one where there was a player with some english problems... will look into it after
About emma, don't forget i had to be proded cuz of posts xD didn't have time to try to help pressure her...
idk i like gambles xD maybe i projected myself in him??(talking about the dang asso)If he claimed tracker, forcefully lowering the PoE would almost never be an issue since tracker is almost never successful in tracking scum due to probability and $#@!.
I don't understand how a team mate could help with the lie, without drawing dangerous associations?
You could just speak your mind? What are your reads, off the top of your head?
I also though abou toS jk wich now i don't anymore, it would still be very safe eitehr way
true, but what if scum doesn't have a tracker? how will he fake his actions? jk still ebtter than tracker
you prob townIf he claimed tracker, forcefully lowering the PoE would almost never be an issue since tracker is almost never successful in tracking scum due to probability and $#@!.
I don't understand how a team mate could help with the lie, without drawing dangerous associations?
You could just speak your mind? What are your reads, off the top of your head?
viggo is town (fight me -...-)
tainted meta aligns with her town game (or so i've heard, going to start using meta, yay me \o/)
monster looks town
emma could be scum
Amberiat can be scum
osie is strange, can be scum
My post doesn't say that's the only reason, it says you think bad of me... and you do... i just had the feeling that was our "conection" if i'm wrong please tell me what i've miss read.
Don't remenber the name, it was one where there was a player with some english problems... will look into it after
because jk can fake to protect (since if he's mafia he know who's going to die, same as doc or bodyguard, but jk can also use a team mate to improve the lie and not be caught), while informative roles can make him forcefully lowe PoEi(I think wolfs wouldn't like it) and have more room for mistakes, so jail keper is one of the safest role to fake claim.So you have no reads from day 1.How is it easily "fake proven"? (Not entirely understanding the terminology here).
I also fail to see how JK ends up being the easier role to fake claim here, if all of them clash in the end.
There are a lot of town jailkeepers as well?
i do, i do, but they are in the mind, so no post #ers :3
Re, for clarification, i did know osie was edu, from the game he played on mal (you think bad of me cuz i knew osie's secret?? o.O so we scum togetehr, that's it??)
O.o everyone is too much ppl, there's like 20 of them o.O i'll try, finishing catching up.Sure. Your reads on everyone + why, starting NOWfinishing catching up, and will be online for some time, wanna sort me firts?? :3It's not really odd to me. It means you have more content to pan through. It means I have higher expectations and shouldn't underestimate your capabilities as a wolf. I'm also paranoid, like I mentioned. I have a decent number of scumreads and so I'd rather sort them first.
gogogogogo
(about the jk... first, i only cared about jk after a while tbh, initially i was like, as if i would believe you.
it's likely for someone that lied once to lie again) but then, in case he was scum, he would have to claim something that is provable, you said jk woudl clash with doc/rb iirc(??) but other claims would have to clash with otehr roles, a tracker would clash with watcher/cop etc etc.
to finish it, even as scum jk is easy to claim and has less risk than any other role because it is easly fake proven, and even a rb can do it's work, not to say there are a lot of scum jk...
cool, i can't see 100% why, but cool noneless
finishing catching up, and will be online for some time, wanna sort me firts?? :3It's not really odd to me. It means you have more content to pan through. It means I have higher expectations and shouldn't underestimate your capabilities as a wolf. I'm also paranoid, like I mentioned. I have a decent number of scumreads and so I'd rather sort them first.
as if jk isn't the easiest role for maf to fake claim... after a vt claim and a scum read out of it that's prob leading to a miss lynch...
why...??
... what about vt?? and the initial reason you scum read chad?
o.O is this a claim?? O.o
it is, i can vouch for eduardo
"I started revealing" just to make sure, yk you told me in the past you where eduardo right?? (just to make sure ^^)Dias didn't knew before I started revealing, though, afaik.
also, ok, i "understand" what you mean with chad/re, but i don't... so, is it just guts?? (keep in mind i only read like 12-13 pages)
idk who my team mates are, and i think there's a higher chance of chad being one than shotaru
also, why?
nha, don't think so, also, was i really the only one that knew?? o.O
Originally Posted by Grant
