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    Completed All I want to say: don't worry about this game...

    All I want to say: don't worry about this game anymore, any of you. You are all Champions for even getting this far.

    I also want to say that there was incredible sportsmanship demonstrated both by the victors and the losing team after the game ended. We must foster this.

    You're among the best, all of you.
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    Completed Not enough people appreciate just how different...

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#10659)
    ^What Pizza said btw. Or like...honestly didn't read all of it because I ain't got time for that, but I understand the gist. I've said similar things in spec chat at times this year myself, albeit less wordy. Partially due to my new perspective as a juror and then a host with full info, I've really consciously realised this year how things come across in there to players coming back after the game.



    I think a lot of it can be dealt with just by watching the phrasing we use, though.

    What I think some people don't realise is that when you say things like 'lmfao MR is just openwolfing' and 'no way MR says that as town' and things like that, the implication is 'if MR is town he's dumb / playing so badly right now'. Similarly, comments like 'OMG, the MR elim was SO bad, he was so townie, wtf is town doing' suggest that you and your team as a whole are playing badly. And actually...no? Mischops happen. (With love and respect to our fallen townies, nothing this year approached GH's list in the slightest.)

    And you come back in after a hard, draining game and you see people - usually more than one, since we all fall into confbias vortexes - saying things that imply you've played terribly...like yeah, it's awful to read those comments. Especially when there are so many.


    We can still make reads and tunnel them and argue with others about them. Just be careful how you word your comments so that you're not implying the person is an idiot if they're actually town after all.
    Not enough people appreciate just how different it is to read the game passively from the warmth of spec-chat than to be in it. People have said to me that I make suboptimal plays and was lucky to survive some games - but that's because they were not playing and did not see what I saw. It is an entirely different space you think in. And you have to learn to use this to your advantage: the core feature of the game where information is inherently controlled and outside influence does not exist. I am glad jury tasks were beneficial to your growth in understanding.
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    Thread: Hydra Event 2021!

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    Sticky: falcon45ca and myself will Hydra this year,...

    @falcon45ca and myself will Hydra this year, representing Canucks Community.
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    Completed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKqyahhUq24

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    Schizoanalysis and Forum Mafia

    Schizoanalysis is a cartography and semiotics (so concerned with symbols and 'mapping' them) inspired by psychoanalysis and a number of philosophers, - Heraclitus, Spinoza, Nietzsche, Hegel among those I remember, - the authors thought to have enough in common to exist within the same and somewhat distinguished/haecceitated tradition from the rest of the philosophical canon. Schizoanalysis is however neither philosophy per se/proper nor is it the same thing as psychoanalysis. The authors concenptualize schizoanalysis as differentiated from the common top-down, 'arborescent' models of epistemology and more scientific(?) attempts to explain the world fully which are rampant among intellectuals and the historical thinkers of the world. They conceptualize a 'rhizome,' which they metaphor with the free-growing and convoluted roots of a tree as opposed to the arborescent body and branches thereof, which are themsleves opposedly metaphored with the Apollonian, rationalist order which most systems of knowledge are friends with or otherwise subscribe to. Schizoanalysis also draws from literature and theatre, history, economics, pop culture, cinema and other things as part of its innate processes.

    Schizoanalysis is in some ways an epistemology or theory of knowledge whose contents render it to have no strict form or even ontological consistency. The content drives the form of the schizoanalytical practice and subjectivizes the borders of its own discipline such that they are beholden to these contents instead of a vice-versa relationship or even a relationship wherein the contents and form work with each other directly with the aim of either finding or explaining the truth. I do not believe schizoanalysis is much concerned, ultimately or at all, with finding truth as this would probably contrast and paradox with what it really is: it is an applied philosophicus-psychoanalysis which seeks to complexify the world and also explain it in ways that create and produce different symbols and exist within history as opposed to passively explaining it, 'mapping' things in the way an explorer would endlessly chart the world before everything was discovered, using the instruments he was educated on and also participating in the semiotic and real history of that charting as well as introducing elements of himself into the these histories. Rather than reduce an infinite universe into logical-form, reductive sentences and propositions likewise everyone else, the authors seek an expansion.

    I am starting to work out in my head how this might be helpful to forum Mafia, and I have a few ideas. (I also want to say that I am not too or fully educated on schizoanalysis and that my descriptions may not be totally correct or trustworthy, but it is a difficult thing to wrap one's head around.) I think flat-out that good wolfing is an intrinsic practice of schizoanalysis wherein the creation of different diversions and distractions and pollutions of dialogue/truth through the creation of new arrangements of symbols is inherently a process of production and in a basic and schizoanalytically-congruous way a complexification. It can also be noted that participation in forum Mafia can be understood to be an application of thinking and a participation in the semiotic history of Mafia at macro, whereas it is hard to conceive of schizoanalysis being anything other than an application of itself in some ways.

    It is again a complex topic and difficult for me to understand, but I am curious if anyone sees any benefit to something like this to the game of Mafia? Or am I taking things too seriously?
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    Completed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#174)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#171)
    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#169)
    I've seen enough of 112 and his horrible reads. He can die first, Lendun tomorrow. If you think I'm mafia voting out noonuus, idk what to tell you. If you think I'm wrong, fair enough, but I don't think I really care (you can try in the 2v1 tomorrow),##Vote 112
    ????
    You've been wrong about everything all game as an experienced player. Good enough for me.
    ?
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    Completed you and i are the only competent players in the...

    Quote Originally Posted by lendunistus (#173)
    ##Vote DragonSlayerr

    yeah i’m willing to kill this just for the god awful takes
    you and i are the only competent players in the game so i don't like to criticize, but this vote is not helpful rn
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    Completed ????

    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#169)
    I've seen enough of 112 and his horrible reads. He can die first, Lendun tomorrow. If you think I'm mafia voting out noonuus, idk what to tell you. If you think I'm wrong, fair enough, but I don't think I really care (you can try in the 2v1 tomorrow),##Vote 112
    ????
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    Completed lol ok

    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#164)
    Quote Originally Posted by lendunistus (#160)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#152)
    SDM #133 - Wouldn't tracking be faster? Night 2 Results

    ashleyyyyyy has died. They were: Vanilla Town.
    Role PM for SDM #133 - Wouldn't tracking be faster?

    You are Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.


    Night 2 has ended.

    Night 2 ended at 2:17 PM EDT on Friday, September 10th, 2021.
    alright

    I haven’t noticed basically a single one of dragonslayer’s posts so I’m inclined to kill them right now
    Absolutely not an option. DragonSlayer is living, you or 112 is kicking the bucket today sir.
    lol ok
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    Completed i don't have to. we both have one vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#161)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#158)
    well tom wanted to pick off a slanker the whole game, which is kind of weird.
    Give me 1 really good reason to not lynch you first over Lendun.
    i don't have to. we both have one vote.
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    Completed i iso'd them and they made like 6 posts i...

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonSlayerr (#156)
    As to why i voted noonuus, partly self pres, party i think theyve said nothing and then tried to just come up with vague things to type to fill out their post count
    i iso'd them and they made like 6 posts

    i don't think they were much concerned with filling a post count quota
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    Completed well tom wanted to pick off a slanker the whole...

    well tom wanted to pick off a slanker the whole game, which is kind of weird.
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    Completed hmmmmm

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    Completed brazen*

    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo (#141)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#136)
    maf are probably within ashley/aldo/tom
    bold of you to not pocket Ashley who shares your read on me
    brazen*
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    Completed honestly not a huge concern of mine in my...

    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo (#135)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#131)
    ##Vote Aldo
    how does it feel to know that no matter what you do you'll never be able to eliminate me?
    lowkey flex btw
    honestly not a huge concern of mine in my day-to-day
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    Completed maf are probably within ashley/aldo/tom

    maf are probably within ashley/aldo/tom
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    Completed Aldo

    ##Vote Aldo
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    Completed thonking hard here no cap

    thonking hard here no cap
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    Completed my internet cuts out often. the benefits of...

    Quote Originally Posted by lendunistus (#112)
    oh nevermind
    my internet cuts out often. the benefits of living in Small Town, B.C..
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    Completed why do i care whether or not you want to vote me...

    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#102)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#96)
    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#84)
    I'm sticking with my vote. If I'm wrong, so be it. No flipflopping here.
    huh

    so if i'm wolf for allegedly defending someone who wasn't even mafia, why do you get away with the hades push as a so-be-it-ism?
    Mafia tend to be less aggressive so they don't take blame for being wrong. I don't think the D1 kill was bad and I think you were pushing a townie. I don't support getting you out today, would prefer Lendun probably who followed my vote without doing much of anything.
    why do i care whether or not you want to vote me out here? feels like you're trying to barter. which is a scum activity.
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    Completed this is a level 2 response to a level 1 post,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo (#98)
    Quote Originally Posted by ashleyyyyyy (#91)
    if i die at all, i think we should vote aldo, tom, lendun, dragon, 112 and idk who else there is but I think that order is fine. i think 112 is town ggwap
    And you're not putting in any effort to even minimize that list?
    Looks like a mafia agenda if so. Throw a bunch of sussy names and don't put in any effort to see if there's any town here because all getting lynched benefits you

    not cool
    this is a level 2 response to a level 1 post, sure, but just because you're playing more a sophisticated rhetoric here does not make you more likely to be town than ashley in my mind

    i think attacking the rigor of ashley's post is a pretty wolfy thing to be doing here tbh.
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    Completed i also claim tracker #solidarity

    Quote Originally Posted by lendunistus (#97)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#89)
    SDM #133 - Wouldn't tracking be faster? Night 1 Results

    Mr. Turtle has died. They were: Town Tracker.
    Role PM for SDM #133 - Wouldn't tracking be faster?

    You are Town Tracker. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

    Town Tracker

    As Town Tracker, you have access to the Tracking Night Action. Tracking another player informs you who that player used a Night Action on that night, if any. You will not learn what type of Night Action your target has. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.

    If you do not submit an action, you will forego your action on that night.


    Night 1 has ended.

    Night 1 ended at 1:56 PM EDT on Friday, September 10th, 2021.
    that is a yeouch moment

    hardclaim tracker btw
    i also claim tracker

    #solidarity
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    Completed huh so if i'm wolf for allegedly defending...

    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#84)
    I'm sticking with my vote. If I'm wrong, so be it. No flipflopping here.
    huh

    so if i'm wolf for allegedly defending someone who wasn't even mafia, why do you get away with the hades push as a so-be-it-ism?
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    Completed not a very thoughtful read imo

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Turtle (#80)
    Hm, I can't read Hades for the life of me. But attempting to vote is more than they did last game where they were mafia, if memory serves correctly.
    not a very thoughtful read imo
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    Completed yikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo (#78)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#74)
    i think with hades there's a language/culture thing we have to consider when evaluating him

    ymmv
    idk he seems to speak english perfectly fine

    pocketing much?
    yikes
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    Completed all right- i'll leave my vote where it is then ...

    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#71)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#67)
    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#59)
    Right now I think mafia are 112 and Hades, 112 for pushing against Aldo illogically and defending an essential AFK in Hades.
    when have i defended hades?
    Implying aldo is a better kill than Hades is imo not a great look for you.
    all right- i'll leave my vote where it is then

    if aldo flips town, chop me i guess?
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    Completed i think with hades there's a language/culture...

    i think with hades there's a language/culture thing we have to consider when evaluating him

    ymmv
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    Completed when have i defended hades?

    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#59)
    Right now I think mafia are 112 and Hades, 112 for pushing against Aldo illogically and defending an essential AFK in Hades.
    when have i defended hades?
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    Completed ehh, shooting lowposters is =rand at best from my...

    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#50)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#47)
    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#44)
    Aldo is town, I want to vote out Hades or Turtle today.
    you have experience with aldo?
    No I'm new to this game but I have social deduction experience and his cringechatting is townie. Much more useful to vote out someone not contributing at all, I think you know that.
    ehh, shooting lowposters is =rand at best from my experience.

    i think what happened with aldo is that he got caught and decided to double-down on the cringeposting and see where that gets him.

    i could be wrong but he's still my best bet.
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    Completed you have experience with aldo?

    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#44)
    Aldo is town, I want to vote out Hades or Turtle today.
    you have experience with aldo?
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    Completed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRMH5XuJfr4

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    Completed aldo + ashley my guess

    aldo + ashley my guess
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    Completed ok this is mafia Aldo

    Quote Originally Posted by Aldo (#22)
    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#19)
    ##Vote Hades6201
    Don't like people asking who's sus
    Yeah ikr! it's like they don't wanna look for sus people themselves!

    ##Vote Hades6201
    ok this is mafia

    ##Vote Aldo
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    Completed amogus

    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#19)
    ##Vote Hades6201
    Don't like people asking who's sus
    amogus
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    Completed what a display.

    Quote Originally Posted by TomRiddle (#13)
    You love to see it
    what a display.
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    Completed wolfy cussing

    Quote Originally Posted by ashleyyyyyy (#9)
    $%#!ing tom is here?
    wolfy cussing
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    Completed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO40TcKa_5U

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    Completed wow im town

    wow im town
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    Thread: we rusboing

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    Completed who doesn't think this is towny?

    Quote Originally Posted by Inawordyes (#151)
    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#134)
    Quote Originally Posted by Inawordyes (#128)
    Ooo, mindmeld, I was just wondering why nobody was talking about Yog’s scum equity
    if you thought he's scum why did you just go for a naked vote on me instead of questioning him / about him?
    Because I’m OMGUSing you for intentionally hedging your read on me to justify chopping me when you as a villager would be a lot more neutral. You don’t have a reason to keep your vote but you’re making excuses so you can vote me out because you know I have the ability to read you given how much we play turbos together
    who doesn't think this is towny?
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    Completed ????? legacy is that dya has more scum equity...

    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#159)
    i dont really like 112 either, insom
    ?????

    legacy is that dya has more scum equity than most.
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    Completed yikes who cares about the first post why...

    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#144)
    ##Vote Inawordyes

    First post is NAI

    not omgus either

    not engaged exactly as I would hope

    I understand this may be pot calling kettle black
    yikes

    who cares about the first post

    why would anyone call out omgus. nobody does that.

    'not engaged exactly as i would hope.' ok how so?

    'i understand this may be pot calling kettle black' why are you so ready to be criticized?
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    Completed well take me out first of all

    Quote Originally Posted by Gorf (#133)
    112/inawordyes/yogsloth/awesome/gira?

    my pool
    well take me out first of all
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    Thread: we rusboing

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    Completed iawy probably too brazen this game to be wolfing,...

    iawy probably too brazen this game to be wolfing, although he's not outside of the poe

    i think yog is the best bet this round
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    Completed uhh i read you town. why on the defensive?

    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#113)
    i'm not struggling at all, it's just d1 is pretty boring for me

    i told you who i think is a wolf
    uhh i read you town. why on the defensive?
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    Completed yogsloth this is it

    ##Vote yogsloth

    this is it
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    Completed insom is kinda struggling imo but i still think...

    Quote Originally Posted by awesome5000 (#101)
    wait where is insomnia i literally have not noticed a single post from him
    insom is kinda struggling imo but i still think town
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    Completed i'm just going to assume the wolfs are not whom i...

    i'm just going to assume the wolfs are not whom i think they are
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    Completed Gorf

    ##Vote Gorf
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    Completed i am playing 5d chess downhill is up for me

    Quote Originally Posted by insomnia (#73)
    112 started off stronk and then went downhill

    for whoever needs to know
    i am playing 5d chess

    downhill is up for me
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