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  1. I wish I could say this was an enjoyable...

    I wish I could say this was an enjoyable experience.
  2. Completed this has fangs

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#4774)
    Uhhhhhhhhhh

    Are 2 voters from Keldeo gonna swap to WWS?

    pleaaaaaase?
    this has fangs
  3. Completed this

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#4769)
    im staying the course, i dont feel strongly about which dies (especially having not read keldeo's posts...which is probably something i shoulda done. but i dont regret reading adrian or pow-wowing with LLD. so whatever)
    this
  4. Completed /nod

    Quote Originally Posted by Beck (#4760)
    did shawna just spew WWS villa?

    roles aren’t alignment indicative
    /nod
  5. Completed i think this may be sporting fur tbh

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#4754)
    i have no issues lynching a claimed cop


    he just happens to be town cop? that's really unlucky. Probably not the truth imo.
    i think this may be sporting fur tbh
  6. Completed yeah shes a wolf

    Quote Originally Posted by Beck (#4753)
    Quote Originally Posted by shawnad2006 (#4744)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#4738)
    Quote Originally Posted by Macdougall (#4723)
    @WaywardSon claim and legacy reads
    n3 alignment cop
    Great. That's just great.
    yeah shes a wolf
  7. Completed n3 alignment cop

    Quote Originally Posted by Macdougall (#4723)
    @WaywardSon claim and legacy reads
    n3 alignment cop
  8. Completed you have read me crrectly once in the games we...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#4715)
    Keldeo Town World. Adrian still town. EoD1 is garbage and WWS must surely be a wolf!?



    Apoc
    Keldeo

    Adrian
    The Sun Fan - lolwrong but just believes in what he's doing
    Lady Lambdadelta


    WWS scum and then i dunno what to do with the rest Keld

    sry man i haven't got a lot of associations relating to you mostly because i've resigned that reading you may not be the best use of my time :-/
    you have read me crrectly once in the games we have played.
    you a wolf? gotta ask
  9. Completed keldeo needs resolving unless you are going to do...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sun Fan (#4695)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#4691)
    ##Vote Keldeo
    there's a chance u might die
    got any parting words for us?
    keldeo needs resolving unless you are going to do this everyday
    shawna/lld/adrian/spiny
  10. Completed if yall mislynnch me. take care of this tomorrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#4690)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#4683)
    alright screw it

    i will look into Shawna tomorrow Lady. 100%.

    and probably Beck




    rn im gonna skim Keldeo who actually has <150 posts
    Gotcha bruv.

    It's WWS today.
    if yall mislynnch me. take care of this tomorrow.
  11. Completed Keldeo

    ##Vote Keldeo
  12. Completed The love is mutual.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sun Fan (#4669)
    I should say that if WWS dies, I will not shed any tears
    The love is mutual.
  13. Completed Lady Lambdadelta

    ##Vote Lady Lambdadelta
  14. Completed keldeo>shawna>adrian>fable

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#4636)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#4630)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#4606)
    shawna, keldeo, fable, adrian
    2-3 wolves
    max 2

    if you're lucky. Can you order them for me?

    What's the strength of each scumread
    keldeo>shawna>adrian>fable
  15. Completed 2-3 wolves

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#4606)
    shawna, keldeo, fable, adrian
    2-3 wolves
  16. Completed Speaking from a selfish standpoint and not...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sun Fan (#4554)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#4540)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#4524)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#4442)
    Talk to me about Shawna and her reads (PoE grouping on WWS and the 3 people who were voting them)
    i'll be honest i have her as town and haven't really looked back too many times since


    what do you see? I'm not sure what her reads are atm

    hit me up with your hottest shawna takes

    @Lady Lambdadelta
    YESSS thank you

    okay

    so Shawna is kind of floating on a not-read on WWS.

    which was fine when that was the majority of town

    but we shon the spotlight on that $#@! already so she should have adapted.

    instead she just has him in her PoE.

    Who else is in her PoE?

    3 names she mentioned in particular, seperate from others.

    Geo
    Spiny
    Myself.

    What do they have in common?

    All votes for WWS for a while today.

    So why are we all in the same PoE? Certainly there should be something MORE there.

    Once I bring it up she says it is concerning and plays it off a bit but I'm seriously concerned about that approahc. It feels like she just kind of wanted to not have to TALK about WWS. She didn;t mention him till I asked her for her read. And it was dismissive.

    Read that whole interaction please and tell me if I'm crazy.
    ok this is kind of townie for LLD actually I have to admit
    Speaking from a selfish standpoint and not reading the last few hours it looks agenday.
  17. Completed I have answered this. The either or read came...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#4331)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#4291)
    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#4287)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#1304)
    Pawn/Evenstar have been gut feel scum from early on. This is something that needs to be resolved or it will linger on and on. Atp being perfectly honest I would rather lynch Evenstar>Pawn. Based on the play itt. Isolating the rest of those advocating for or against.

    As far as Mac goes, he never responded back for me to continue. His read changed, as I believe he found me.
    this is like the third time you've mentioned your Pawn/Even read...but I'm not really sure where it came from or why you have it?



    Like, you explain later why even flipping her reads based on LLD input was weird....but why are they both wolves? Idgi

    @WaywardSon


    Follow up question:

    What is your read on Pawn/Shawna now that Even flipped town?
    I thought there was one in the 2. Based on the goings on in the thread i felt even was the wolf. I didnt like how she flipped reads so easily nor did i like the folowing of lld.
    that's legitimately the only thing i already knew (see the red text)


    answer the other parts if you can

    @WaywardSon
    I have answered this. The either or read came from the day one spat between the 2. Also it resurfaced near eod1.

    I have answered this too. Shawna is a wolf read. Either or means either or.
  18. Completed Yeah ok.

    Yeah ok.
  19. Completed Yes i was busy at eod1. I am today. I hate to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#4326)
    @WaywardSon

    see my post above
    Yes i was busy at eod1.
    I am today. I hate to keep repeating it. I dont like excuses. But i am chasing a 10 mnth old around. Hitting what i see.
  20. Completed Town Slight scum Town Null pending a read of...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#4323)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#1559)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiny Creature (#1504)
    I have just copied 25 quotes on my mobile clipboard and emailed them to myself lolol. This surely can't be how you're meant to play but $#@! if I know how better to handle it.

    Anyway here's a random thought in the meantime:

    Look at all the current wagons. Look at the postcounts of the people on them.

    Now look at the Eva wagon, led by one 30-poster and one 40-poster. Both of whom, IIRC, are basing their Eva vote on her early posts and early game events. Both of whose reads have barely changed or evolved (WWS's despite the fact he's been here since page 1).

    Both of those lowposters have lost all their heat (in WWS' case) or never had any from anyone but me (in Backpack's case). Other lowposters are all current viable wagons, with the exceptions of Keldeo and Lady who have actually posted spicy things.

    I don't think I can know Eva's alignment from her posts d1, having seen her play in wc1. But I do think idek what's happening if that wagon on her is pure town.
    You keep shading. My vote on Evenstar is for the entirety of her game play. I can't speak for Debackpack. Anyone else playing the way she has would be lynched today.
    When another vote makes more sense to me I'll move.
    I hate that you keep repeating this, because it's not really a reason that someone is a wolf. It's just a reason to lynch someone, there's no nuance at all to this.

    Sounds like you're just annoyed tbh.

    Come to think of it, is there any nuance in your posts? I dont think so (I've read the first half of your ISO so far)

    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#1969)
    Wagon formation is interesting to me.
    Had a tinfoil team writen on a index card.
    Red Devil
    Spiny Creature
    Pawn
    Keldeo

    And would you look at that.
    What happened to Evenstar?





    DAY 2

    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#2419)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#2413)
    One thought I had was that Fable looks bad for just parking his vote. He's not the only one who parked it, but he was expressing dissatisfaction with the wagons and didn't make much of an attempt to put up better candidates.
    And was involved in the weird exchange with RD without actually voting them until long after calling him wolf.
    This just looks like shade...it's barely even a read you're just restating events.

    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#2476)
    Quote Originally Posted by shawnad2006 (#2473)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#2466)
    As in she didn't care about him getting lynched or didn't seem to be worried it would happen?
    As in he made some posts I thought sounded pretty good towards the end.
    I was obviously freaking out about it. I'm not saying I expect people to freak out like I do.
    And I'm sure many people probably did not read his posts the same way I did.
    But as someone that had pushed him because she thought she could read him well based on their time in WC2 wolf chat, I'm just surprised she never commented any more about him towards the end there.
    She only commented on the Adrian/Backpacker stuff with role claiming. Which felt easy.
    tbh she got quiet when Mac called her out on the mechanic talk she brought up about Keldeo when the wagon began.
    Feels a bit like more of the same, but a decent thing to notice i guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#2466)
    Quote Originally Posted by shawnad2006 (#2460)
    She did not offer any hesitation/concern over what was happening with Keldeo.
    Just did not feel right.
    As in she didn't care about him getting lynched or didn't seem to be worried it would happen?
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#2479)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#2475)
    WWS seems like he's just trying not to upset anyone.
    lol. I am trying to reevaluate. Not sure if you have noticed or not but my reads ttp have been complete trash.
    Your reads are trash? You were only wrong on Evenstar really. You mentioned Red barely at all and didnt vote for him, so can't be that?


    And later you are still on Fable/Keldeo as wolves so i dunno how that follows if you thought your entire D1 was trash?



    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#2490)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#2478)
    Quote Originally Posted by shawnad2006 (#2473)
    As in he made some posts I thought sounded pretty good towards the end.
    I was obviously freaking out about it. I'm not saying I expect people to freak out like I do.
    And I'm sure many people probably did not read his posts the same way I did.
    But as someone that had pushed him because she thought she could read him well based on their time in WC2 wolf chat, I'm just surprised she never commented any more about him towards the end there.
    She only commented on the Adrian/Backpacker stuff with role claiming. Which felt easy.
    keldeo's EoD posts are the reason I settled on RD at the end.
    they were VERY good imo.
    I felt the same to an extent.
    I settled on basing that on I think he is more polished as a player than RD as either alignment.
    I meant to go back and reread the posts he made to see if he actually said anything other than thread consensus or had already posted so that he didn't spew in case he was lynched and was a wolf. BUt I have not opened MU until 15 minutes before SoD2.
    But you stayed on Keldeo?

    You posted like once, in 20 mins after returning from dog walking or wherever, and it was a naked Keldeo vote

    What gives man? You're an MU vet. Were you just busy at EoD or what?




    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#2503)
    Quote Originally Posted by Beck (#2496)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#2475)
    WWS seems like he's just trying not to upset anyone.
    i feel this way too

    i tried to light a fire under his ass yesterday at EOD because his progression seemed... convenient

    but i lost the conversation in the heat of EOD and Keldeo’s reappearance
    I have a feeling you will become frustrated and I'll end up mislynched.
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#2578)
    Wtf is this thread?
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#2948)
    Quote Originally Posted by Geo (#2913)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#2908)
    World building? It is a tinfoil team based off of vibes.
    Obviously, it isn't 100%. Which I came to realize as the EoD wound down. But I would be highly surprised if none of the remaining 3 are not wolves.
    As in why do you find associations between the members of the team? That's the nature of tinfoiling and they read like your scum reads and nothing else. In other words what are your vibes between them, not just about them as individuals?
    They all sussed me with commonality. The same way it appears to Mac that RD was a setup ml by Keldeo and Fable. I sense the same vibe from each of them. I live in the grey. I can most of the time sense when I am headed for a ml early. It's weird and alot of the time it isn't all that accurate. But on D1 it is what it is.
    Not sure if I can explain it where you would understand it.
    here's where you still seem to be on a keldeo wolf read.

    Which would be fine because D1 you said there was a wolf in Red/Keld....but then in between these you said your own reads were trash.





    And while it may not be true it feels like you only really discuss people who are wagons?

    What's your Beck read? LLD read? Mac read? Apoc read? SS/Shawna Read?
    Nanook read (ok i remember you said he was town that one time). 112 is like G6.

    it's all so surface level stuff.
    Town
    Slight scum
    Town
    Null pending a read of today
    Scum

    All of these have been answered in thread.
  21. Completed I thought there was one in the 2. Based on the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#4287)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#1304)
    Pawn/Evenstar have been gut feel scum from early on. This is something that needs to be resolved or it will linger on and on. Atp being perfectly honest I would rather lynch Evenstar>Pawn. Based on the play itt. Isolating the rest of those advocating for or against.

    As far as Mac goes, he never responded back for me to continue. His read changed, as I believe he found me.
    this is like the third time you've mentioned your Pawn/Even read...but I'm not really sure where it came from or why you have it?



    Like, you explain later why even flipping her reads based on LLD input was weird....but why are they both wolves? Idgi

    @WaywardSon


    Follow up question:

    What is your read on Pawn/Shawna now that Even flipped town?
    I thought there was one in the 2. Based on the goings on in the thread i felt even was the wolf. I didnt like how she flipped reads so easily nor did i like the folowing of lld.
  22. Completed Gth purely gut and without associations thought...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#4268)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#4267)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#4252)
    Quote Originally Posted by Beck (#4239)
    Lady is voting one of her wolves with two of her other wolves

    and villa reading two of the most likely wolves

    what game are we even playing anymore
    Yeah I noticed this too, and have been trying to parse it.

    I genuinely don't know what it means so I'm sticking voting there until I do because WWS is v. scummy and my reads on Geo and Spiny might just be bad.

    or they're bussing.

    IDK

    I'm trying to parse it.
    Or your reads just suck in general.
    Then who is scum, WWS?
    Gth purely gut and without associations thought of

    Adrian/nano/you/keldeo/spiny/shana
  23. Completed I would say it is more me. I have not been able...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#4266)
    @WaywardSon

    What's your read on me?

    we discussed last game where i read you right and i don't recall it being a tough read.

    Am i trying to mislynch you rn?



    Are you doing something different? Am I doing something different?


    What's your analysis of us
    I would say it is more me. I have not been able to devout the time this game warrants to this point.

    I dont have a clear read on you atp. I think the parts of the theead i am missing are when you were most active. I am waiting for those posts where i say damn there he is.

    Everytime i try to catchup the thread makes a turn while i am away.
  24. Completed Or your reads just suck in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#4252)
    Quote Originally Posted by Beck (#4239)
    Lady is voting one of her wolves with two of her other wolves

    and villa reading two of the most likely wolves

    what game are we even playing anymore
    Yeah I noticed this too, and have been trying to parse it.

    I genuinely don't know what it means so I'm sticking voting there until I do because WWS is v. scummy and my reads on Geo and Spiny might just be bad.

    or they're bussing.

    IDK

    I'm trying to parse it.
    Or your reads just suck in general.
  25. Completed Absolutely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beck (#4170)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#4135)
    Okay, I'm gonna be on phone for EoD so I wanna type this up now.

    I'm gonna call Sun Fan town, mostly because I think it's not worth waffling over it because of my day 1 read but also because if I just consider him town, it opens my path to a lot of other stuff.

    Here is where I stand currently

    If
    Nanook
    Mac
    Sun
    Apoc
    Adrian
    Keldeo
    and I are all town, I think I can narrow this down a lot.

    Spiny OR Shawna
    Geo AND/OR Fable
    Backpack OR WWS
    112 AND/OR Beck

    I've been considering what kind of team makeup needs to happen for yesterday, so reading the above. I do not think the Pawn slot and Spiny are in the same boat and I don't think the scum team could have more than one Backpack/WWS style non-poster and still achieve what they did yesterday which I think was a $#@! ton of town wagons.

    SO.

    Let's dive deeper.

    ONE of Spiny and Beck is town at MINIMUM. Their Day 1 interaction that sold me on them both as town, I have to believe one of them is actually town in that or I should probably retire. If that was scum theatre, I really have lost my touch.

    FABLE is probably not scum with BECK either. Beck pushing Fable didn't seem like it was fake and a CFD could have popped up on him at any time. I think.... that one has to be T/T or T/W.

    So let's look at a Beck team for a second then.

    Beck/Geo/Shawna + (WWS/Backpack)?

    This feels plausible, but I think Spiny is scum. For me, a lot of this hangs on if I am right about Spiny or not.

    of WWS and Backpack I think WWS is more likely the team in any of these parties. Backpack is only really on a team who is SUPER worried their "I'm at a wedding" reason won't hold, which I dunno.

    But it does feel like they were protected.

    Other observations

    Geo and Shawna are not T/T at minimum, and have decent W/W odds. This one is hard to explain, it's just a gut feeling I have. I don't have more for you here.

    112 can be scum with Beck, and if he is, it looks a bit like this

    112/Beck/Geo/WWS
    or
    112/Beck/Shawna/WWS.

    If Beck is town and 112 is scum, I think it swings another way.

    112/Spiny/WWS/Fable would be my best guess then.
    --------------------

    So, sorry for the ramble up there folks I'm trying to kind of show you where my brain is at because people apparently think I'm not actually progressing my reads.

    I'm actually decently close to solving this, I just need a red flip or two, and I wanted to push WWS and see what he did to try and tie WWS to someone else and see who was scum with WWS as opposed to jsut thinking WWS was scum.

    Instead WWS came in and did basically nothing and disappeared again. I do not think this is town and moreover I think he was advised if he stayed quiet someone might get CFD'd over him.

    So.

    WWS for me is the lynch today because it almost certainly flips scum and I think going into the most important nights of the game for actions one less scum action is immensily positive.

    But for today I will lynch any of the following:

    Spiny
    Fable
    Geo
    Backpack


    I want to see more from Shawna/112/Beck and I think those 3 have more to offer if they are town. Not that anyone in this game is a bad player.

    So I strongly prefer WWS today. Strongly.

    but Spiny is my second choice and if you had to ask for my third I'd say Geo>Fable just because it'll give us more info.

    Finally, if you want a solid guess from me at the team, just so if I die you have something.

    Spiny/112/Geo/WWS feels reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllly good to me. Solid worries about Beck v. Spiny and if I'm wrong on Spiny this all changes a lot but given Spiny is a strong read for me I think this is about right.

    Let's vote WWS, folks.
    I don’t have a $#@!ing clue how your Greg read changed so dramatically in one day? You should be villa reading him for all of the villagery things he’s done, not because it’s convenient for you.

    What interaction between Spiny and I led you to the conclusion that one of us is a villager?

    Obviously Fable and I aren’t both wolves, but why do you use me as a prop for your world building? You said yesterday you would Kill Fable with impunity. But haven’t given him a second look since then.

    decently close to solving this lol what the $#@! are you high

    none of this is supported by anything other than ramblings and half of your wolves are voting one of your other wolves

    this is garbage
    Absolutely.
  26. Completed So really you have no clue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#4148)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#4143)
    Woah hold on Geo and Spiny are both on WWS with me and no one else?

    what the $#@!
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#4144)
    you're also voting with 2/4 of your scum team lol
    Yeah congrats I just noticed that.

    Maybe it's Backpack and not WWS?

    That's what that seems to strongly imply.
    So really you have no clue?
  27. Completed So theyre bussing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#4143)
    Woah hold on Geo and Spiny are both on WWS with me and no one else?

    what the $#@!
    So theyre bussing?
  28. Completed Hmm

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#4135)
    Okay, I'm gonna be on phone for EoD so I wanna type this up now.

    I'm gonna call Sun Fan town, mostly because I think it's not worth waffling over it because of my day 1 read but also because if I just consider him town, it opens my path to a lot of other stuff.

    Here is where I stand currently

    If
    Nanook
    Mac
    Sun
    Apoc
    Adrian
    Keldeo
    and I are all town, I think I can narrow this down a lot.

    Spiny OR Shawna
    Geo AND/OR Fable
    Backpack OR WWS
    112 AND/OR Beck

    I've been considering what kind of team makeup needs to happen for yesterday, so reading the above. I do not think the Pawn slot and Spiny are in the same boat and I don't think the scum team could have more than one Backpack/WWS style non-poster and still achieve what they did yesterday which I think was a $#@! ton of town wagons.

    SO.

    Let's dive deeper.

    ONE of Spiny and Beck is town at MINIMUM. Their Day 1 interaction that sold me on them both as town, I have to believe one of them is actually town in that or I should probably retire. If that was scum theatre, I really have lost my touch.

    FABLE is probably not scum with BECK either. Beck pushing Fable didn't seem like it was fake and a CFD could have popped up on him at any time. I think.... that one has to be T/T or T/W.

    So let's look at a Beck team for a second then.

    Beck/Geo/Shawna + (WWS/Backpack)?

    This feels plausible, but I think Spiny is scum. For me, a lot of this hangs on if I am right about Spiny or not.

    of WWS and Backpack I think WWS is more likely the team in any of these parties. Backpack is only really on a team who is SUPER worried their "I'm at a wedding" reason won't hold, which I dunno.

    But it does feel like they were protected.

    Other observations

    Geo and Shawna are not T/T at minimum, and have decent W/W odds. This one is hard to explain, it's just a gut feeling I have. I don't have more for you here.

    112 can be scum with Beck, and if he is, it looks a bit like this

    112/Beck/Geo/WWS
    or
    112/Beck/Shawna/WWS.

    If Beck is town and 112 is scum, I think it swings another way.

    112/Spiny/WWS/Fable would be my best guess then.
    --------------------

    So, sorry for the ramble up there folks I'm trying to kind of show you where my brain is at because people apparently think I'm not actually progressing my reads.

    I'm actually decently close to solving this, I just need a red flip or two, and I wanted to push WWS and see what he did to try and tie WWS to someone else and see who was scum with WWS as opposed to jsut thinking WWS was scum.

    Instead WWS came in and did basically nothing and disappeared again. I do not think this is town and moreover I think he was advised if he stayed quiet someone might get CFD'd over him.

    So.

    WWS for me is the lynch today because it almost certainly flips scum and I think going into the most important nights of the game for actions one less scum action is immensily positive.

    But for today I will lynch any of the following:

    Spiny
    Fable
    Geo
    Backpack


    I want to see more from Shawna/112/Beck and I think those 3 have more to offer if they are town. Not that anyone in this game is a bad player.

    So I strongly prefer WWS today. Strongly.

    but Spiny is my second choice and if you had to ask for my third I'd say Geo>Fable just because it'll give us more info.

    Finally, if you want a solid guess from me at the team, just so if I die you have something.

    Spiny/112/Geo/WWS feels reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllly good to me. Solid worries about Beck v. Spiny and if I'm wrong on Spiny this all changes a lot but given Spiny is a strong read for me I think this is about right.

    Let's vote WWS, folks.
    Hmm
  29. Completed You haven’t upset me. I am upset with my...

    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#4115)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#4113)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#3691)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#3689)
    wws is a problem just for how null he is

    like, it's an elephant nobody wants to acknowledge
    @WaywardSon - half the town game is letting others know you're town. i don't see you trying to do that.
    Struggling to find footing. Not sure on much. Game is fractured. Egos are big and no one wants to mesh and work together. Not in a position to give the time needed to strongarm players into stop playing the ‘big game’ and just play the one that is sitting here direction less.
    sorry- didn't mean to upset you or call you out, and i know you're busy. (grandkids are more important than any game of mafia )

    it's just that i really don't know what to think of you, and if you can demonstrate you're town, it helps me solve much easier.

    i'm happier with your level of participation today- would really like to see you make a strong push against one or two of the people you think are mafia
    You haven’t upset me. I am upset with my situation.
    I am trying to get in a position to actually matter in this game other than being a ml or a vig shot.
  30. Completed Touche

    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#4111)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#4109)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#3689)
    wws is a problem just for how null he is

    like, it's an elephant nobody wants to acknowledge
    Then acknowledge it.
    i did lol
    Touche
  31. Completed Ok. But understand when i come into the thread i...

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian (#4110)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#4102)
    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian (#3602)
    Waywordson only voted for Evenstar and Keldeo the entire game, and his vote for Evenstar was hundreds of posts after his initial suspicion. What the $#@!? Huge red flag.
    I have been constantly catching up. Which is noted in the thread repeatedly. Really not liking your angle here.
    Okay. I can at least understand that. But look at what I said about this later on. Namely, a vote is a townie's greatest tool, so if you are one, use it, and turn timing of your vote on Evenstar hundreds of posts after your initial suspicion pings me.
    Ok. But understand when i come into the thread i may hit last page and comment. Then i go back and read up to current. That way i understand why the game state is what it is in the current.

    Just like now. I have no idea what is going on currently.
  32. Completed And your point is for shade. I have no idea of...

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian (#4108)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#4101)
    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian (#3570)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#1309)
    I think 3/4 are reasonable.
    If there's a world where Fable is town, then WWS quoted three names that are all town as possible scum.
    I agreed with a post from a flipped town. Your point?
    Okay? So what? You hiding behind a dead town body doesn't change what I said.
    And your point is for shade. I have no idea of their alignment. Atp they all had equity. And the 2 remaining still do.
  33. Completed Imo she has done nothing to change my view. I...

    Quote Originally Posted by Spiny Creature (#4099)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#4097)
    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian (#3565)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#1304)
    Pawn/Evenstar have been gut feel scum from early on. This is something that needs to be resolved or it will linger on and on. Atp being perfectly honest I would rather lynch Evenstar>Pawn. Based on the play itt. Isolating the rest of those advocating for or against.

    As far as Mac goes, he never responded back for me to continue. His read changed, as I believe he found me.
    This post is worth going back to if Shawna is a wolf. Possible association here with WWS wanting to lynch Evenstar first.
    Again. My position was there was a wolf between pawn and even. With the disruption factor i felt even was more likely to filp wolf atp.
    Do you currently think shawna is a wolf?
    Imo she has done nothing to change my view.

    I am to p75. I was away. Came back and answered my pings and hit comments that i had bookmarked. Atp i was at i dont remember her reappearing in the thread.
  34. Completed Noted. Im at 5%. I need to find a charger.

    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#4157)
    out for a bit

    @WaywardSon - I'll get the Keldeo quotes for you when I'm back in action.
    Noted. Im at 5%. I need to find a charger.
  35. Completed He didnt seem concerned with getting lynched. He...

    Quote Originally Posted by Spiny Creature (#4035)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#4029)
    Retrospective Day 1 Votecount as of Post #1992

    Post #1992 was originally posted at 6:55 PM EDT on Wednesday, October 2nd, 2019.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    5 Keldeo Macdougall, 112, shawnad2006, RedDevil19, Spiny Creature
    4 RedDevil19 Apoc, Evenstar, Fable, Keldeo
    3 The Sun Fan Geo, NANOOKTHECONQUEROR, Lady Lambdadelta
    2 Evenstar DaBackpack, WaywardSon
    2 Adrian The Sun Fan, Beck
    1 Not voting Adrian

    The first votecount is the votecount when Keldeo came into the thread after having been absent for a couple hours due to office hours.

    View Vote History
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#4031)
    Retrospective Day 1 Votecount as of Post #1699

    Post #1699 was originally posted at 4:30 PM EDT on Wednesday, October 2nd, 2019.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    4 RedDevil19 Apoc, Evenstar, Fable, Keldeo
    3 Adrian The Sun Fan, 112, Beck
    3 The Sun Fan Geo, shawnad2006, NANOOKTHECONQUEROR
    2 Evenstar DaBackpack, WaywardSon
    1 shawnad2006 Lady Lambdadelta
    1 DaBackpack Spiny Creature
    1 NANOOKTHECONQUEROR Macdougall
    2 Not voting Adrian, RedDevil19

    View Vote History
    The second votecount is what the votecount was the last time Keldeo saw it before leaving.

    Keldeo went from 0 votes to 5 votes in a couple hours while he was gone and he had NO bad feelings about anyone because of it, no fear or paranoia or worry about the people who were in the lead in the last votecount.

    As far as I can tell, the fact that he left with RD, SunFan, etc. in the lead and came back to himself with 5 new votes did not make him more suspicious of RD, SunFan, or Swedish.

    I was waiting to see if Keldeo would address my point about his lack of suspicion that RD/SF was being saved, but I checked his last posts and he hasn’t.

    @shawnad2006, I understand your points about Keldeo seeming like defeated town. I understand that he’s a chill nice dude.

    But I feel like you’re projecting his emotions from today/EOD1, which you can find reasons for, onto his whole game.

    Keldeo had no votes, came back to 5 votes, and that didn’t make him suspect anyone more. OBJECTIVELY if you’re town it should make you wonder who’s being saved with the push on you.
    He didnt seem concerned with getting lynched. He seemed more concerned with oozing townness. He was very smooth. so smooth it pinged me.
  36. Completed Not sure how i am not giving opinions? I wanted...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#3894)
    Quote Originally Posted by Geo (#3887)
    That's probably the reason I felt he had a disconnect at EoD, I'm assuming posting in one liners all the time and doing all reaction no analysis is the reason this gives you scumvibes?
    I mean it's more about the content than the brevity

    but ya, dude is not giving opinions really, he doesn't seem to care at all

    maybe he can help us out @WaywardSon
    Not sure how i am not giving opinions?
    I wanted a even lynch. Had a wolf in her and pawn.
    I was fine with the wagons except i didnt want tsf as one.
    I voted to lynch keldeo over rd. And would again.
  37. Completed It was a comment that 3 of my tinfoil team were...

    Quote Originally Posted by Apoc (#3857)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#1969)
    Wagon formation is interesting to me.
    Had a tinfoil team writen on a index card.
    Red Devil
    Spiny Creature
    Pawn
    Keldeo


    And would you look at that.
    @WaywardSon

    what am i looking at?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#3856)
    Retrospective Day 1 Votecount as of Post #1940

    Post #1940 was originally posted at 6:40 PM EDT on Wednesday, October 2nd, 2019.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    5 Keldeo Macdougall, 112, shawnad2006, RedDevil19, Spiny Creature
    4 RedDevil19 Apoc, Evenstar, Fable, Keldeo
    3 The Sun Fan Geo, NANOOKTHECONQUEROR, Lady Lambdadelta
    2 Evenstar DaBackpack, WaywardSon
    2 Adrian The Sun Fan, Beck
    1 Not voting Adrian

    View Vote History
    It was a comment that 3 of my tinfoil team were on another of same team. Thst my tinfoil team had competing wagons.
    I was interested in how it would play out.
  38. Completed You have it wrong. I was talking about even....

    Quote Originally Posted by Geo (#3790)
    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian (#3603)
    Quote Originally Posted by WaywardSon (#1559)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiny Creature (#1504)
    I have just copied 25 quotes on my mobile clipboard and emailed them to myself lolol. This surely can't be how you're meant to play but $#@! if I know how better to handle it.

    Anyway here's a random thought in the meantime:

    Look at all the current wagons. Look at the postcounts of the people on them.

    Now look at the Eva wagon, led by one 30-poster and one 40-poster. Both of whom, IIRC, are basing their Eva vote on her early posts and early game events. Both of whose reads have barely changed or evolved (WWS's despite the fact he's been here since page 1).

    Both of those lowposters have lost all their heat (in WWS' case) or never had any from anyone but me (in Backpack's case). Other lowposters are all current viable wagons, with the exceptions of Keldeo and Lady who have actually posted spicy things.

    I don't think I can know Eva's alignment from her posts d1, having seen her play in wc1. But I do think idek what's happening if that wagon on her is pure town.
    You keep shading. My vote on Evenstar is for the entirety of her game play. I can't speak for Debackpack. Anyone else playing the way she has would be lynched today.
    When another vote makes more sense to me I'll move.
    I feel pretty good about calling this not w/w. Feels like genuine frustration here from WWS.
    I like Adrian's progression on WWS after starting a sus on him for really basic reasons (Fable association and not having enough votes). Makes me less worried about some weird opportunism if he's town as well as solid about him finding WWS sus at first for those like...overly harsh reasons.

    @WaywardSon why did you give exception to DaBackpack here? What makes him exempt from playing the way he's playing?
    You have it wrong. I was talking about even. Something i have said numerous times.
  39. Completed Havent had time to actually look at them again....

    Quote Originally Posted by Keldeo (#3737)
    @WaywardSon, yeah, would appreciate your thoughts on me and Spiny when you have time.

    You said you wanted to reevaluate your reads because you were wrong earlier. Where has that taken you? Have you thought anything new about Pawn / shawna after Evenstar flipped? - you seem to still be mafia reading them?

    What makes you want to look into Geo and Backpack?
    Havent had time to actually look at them again. Hate to keep saying but not current with thread.
    Suspected the three of you going into eod. As day dwindled had doubts on both of your and rds guilt. Decided you had more wolf equity than rd adn hence the vote.

    Dbp has less time in thread than me. Would like more to look at.
    Geo is here by post count but have hard time remembering anything he has done.
  40. Completed I will play when i have time. You arent going to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#3734)
    Yo $#@!ers who talked about WWS

    @112
    @Geo
    @Macdougall
    @Adrian

    maybe some others?

    Come do this with me. We can go back to vanity wagons later or whatever but I wanna force WWS to play BEFORE 2 hours left in the day when everything goes to $#@!.
    I will play when i have time. You arent going to force me to do anything.
  41. Completed Did you get a resolution on your sus of spiny or...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#3732)
    Also strongly considering leaving Spiny to vote WWS because like 6 people just had a long drawn convo about how that slot is garbage and no one can parse it but none of us want to vote it up as a wagon and make them do something?

    Wait why am I "strongly considering" that

    $#@! it

    ##Vote WaywardSon

    Do something or die.

    Or do something, THEN die.

    Either works frankly.
    Did you get a resolution on your sus of spiny or just find the thread flow easier to go?
  42. Completed How are me and spiny scum together?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#3708)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#3704)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#3701)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#3697)
    ehh

    On my way home today I had the thought to myself that it was suspicious you seemed to have no thoughts on me/were just letting me do my thing.

    not sure where you expressed any distrust toward me- my mind's blanking on that, and there's no way for me to know a [redacted] referred to me- which you should have the theory of mind to recognize.
    There was a post right after where I gave a list of 5 names (some of them decoy I admit) but also included some scummy people and asked someone to sort them.

    That + me readig you as a player with good intuiton etc, but yeah I probably shouldn't like presume that far.

    it's hard not to, lol. I don't trust you I suspect for much the same reasons you don't trust me. Your reads are WAY wrong in my word, if you think both Suns and Spiny are town. I think one of them has to be scum.

    That said, I feel much the way you to about backpack and WWS it seems?

    so I don't $#@!ing know.
    Okay. Spiny and Sun are wolves. Who are their teammates?

    Backpack and WWS maybe, yeah. What other names are most likely?
    I dunno if they're both wolves.

    How many times do I need to say "I wonder if Sun is town" for people to understand I've backed off him because I'm concerned I was wrong, but I'm still seeing a lot of the stuff that makes me think he was scum.

    And I think Spiny can be scum with or without Suns, it works in both worlds.

    but if BOTH are scum, in my mind.....

    the team would look like....

    Spiny/Sun/(A heavy poster with a lot of town cred)/(A lurker who is protected by these kinds of things)

    so like...

    Spiny/Sun/Beck/WWS

    or

    Spiny/Sun/112/Backpack

    something like those.

    Which is kind of limiting, and makes me think they're not likely BOTH scum, so I'm ignoring that world for now because any world where they are BOTH scum, Spiny is scum anyway so I can just focus on Spiny if I think Sun might be town (which I do)
    How are me and spiny scum together?
  43. Completed When did these reads flip for u?

    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#3704)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#3701)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#3697)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#3693)
    Ya I mentioned a "redacted" name cause I didn't really wanna push 2 people at once but when I asked about a list of names yours was on it, and it's for a reason.

    I feel like since I town read you on day 1 you have been off in a field like... letting town walk down the same paths it has before and I honestly get this vibe I can't super justify that you're pulling strings?

    I kind of do a $#@! job at hiding when I don't trust someone so I'm unsurprised you're poking at me lol
    ehh

    On my way home today I had the thought to myself that it was suspicious you seemed to have no thoughts on me/were just letting me do my thing.

    not sure where you expressed any distrust toward me- my mind's blanking on that, and there's no way for me to know a [redacted] referred to me- which you should have the theory of mind to recognize.
    There was a post right after where I gave a list of 5 names (some of them decoy I admit) but also included some scummy people and asked someone to sort them.

    That + me readig you as a player with good intuiton etc, but yeah I probably shouldn't like presume that far.

    it's hard not to, lol. I don't trust you I suspect for much the same reasons you don't trust me. Your reads are WAY wrong in my word, if you think both Suns and Spiny are town. I think one of them has to be scum.

    That said, I feel much the way you to about backpack and WWS it seems?

    so I don't $#@!ing know.
    Okay. Spiny and Sun are wolves. Who are their teammates?

    Backpack and WWS maybe, yeah. What other names are most likely?
    When did these reads flip for u?
  44. Completed Hmm

    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#3694)
    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian (#3692)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#3689)
    wws is a problem just for how null he is

    like, it's an elephant nobody wants to acknowledge
    I made a vote count read on you in WC1 that turned out correct. So now I want your thoughts on my current one here. WWS only ever voted for two people THIS ENTIRE GAME. That is freaking scummy. What are your thoughts?
    It's intrinsically scummy behaviour, I agree. I just remember him actually trying in the qualifier and he was mafia.

    Gun to my head he's mafia.
    Hmm
  45. Completed Says you. As many times as you have played this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian (#3692)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#3689)
    wws is a problem just for how null he is

    like, it's an elephant nobody wants to acknowledge
    I made a vote count read on you in WC1 that turned out correct. So now I want your thoughts on my current one here. WWS only ever voted for two people THIS ENTIRE GAME. That is freaking scummy. What are your thoughts?
    Says you. As many times as you have played this line with me i would hope as town you would not waste time with the same bs you do as far as i am concerned in this one.

    I have voted 2 times.
    I havent been itt enough.
    It pisses me off thst i havent been able to actually play this game that i have looked forward to since i was chosen to rep my homesite.
    Okay everyone knows. I am not fighting that.
    You have an issue ask me questions. @ me.
  46. Completed Struggling to find footing. Not sure on much....

    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#3691)
    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#3689)
    wws is a problem just for how null he is

    like, it's an elephant nobody wants to acknowledge
    @WaywardSon - half the town game is letting others know you're town. i don't see you trying to do that.
    Struggling to find footing. Not sure on much. Game is fractured. Egos are big and no one wants to mesh and work together. Not in a position to give the time needed to strongarm players into stop playing the ‘big game’ and just play the one that is sitting here direction less.
  47. Completed Then acknowledge it.

    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#3689)
    wws is a problem just for how null he is

    like, it's an elephant nobody wants to acknowledge
    Then acknowledge it.
  48. Completed No offense but feeling is mutual.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#3684)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Lambdadelta (#3680)
    the truth is this is my town game.

    I pop in, I punch at people, I develop reads and I lynch people one at a time because spreading myself thin is a terrible idea

    right now I'm concerned with Spiny, and honestly I alluded to being disillusioned with 112 earlier so I'm unsurprised he's now suddenly on a kick with me
    Backpack is like scum in a lot of worlds where teams played hard to protect THEM instead of SUN on day 1.

    Backpack is like "if Sun town, he's probably scum?"

    and I dunno about WWS, I just don't really get much of a sense of anything from him, which I suppose should concern me. He seems utterly uncontroversial and most of his posts I've read and gone "yeah I guess so?"

    I dunno, not a huge fan of either one.
    No offense but feeling is mutual.
  49. Completed Implication being on adrian?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geo (#3635)
    Quote Originally Posted by Keldeo (#3204)
    @Adrian, you've said multiple times that you thought I was saved yesterday. I'm wondering who you think was saving me? The latest voters on RedDevil were LLD, 112, shawna, and town Evenstar, and I don't see how that meshes with your townlean on LLD and lack of read on shawna and 112.
    Oh hell yeah interesting post and something I hope other people look into. I will.
    Implication being on adrian?
  50. Completed Atp I would be fine with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by 112 (#3629)
    @Macdougall - do you think we should bully the thread into voting either Keldeo or Shawna?
    Atp I would be fine with this.
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