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  1. Sc2 Mafia: Black Flag Nightless [10 players] [Open setup]

    Website: Sc2 Mafia (link)
    Game Host: AIVION
    Game Type: Open Game (Mountainous)
    Phase Length: 48 hours days, no nights.
    Expected Number of Players: 10
    Lynch Mechanics: Majority and Plurality lynch (Majority enabled, if noone is lynched before EoD plurality takes effect)
    Role Reveals Upon Death: Yes
    Outside Communication Allowed (for all players): No
    Bastard Game: No

    Other: Win Conditions
    Mafia: Have 2 members survive to see only 3 Citizens alive.
    Town: Have 4 members survive to see only 1 Goon alive.
    To clarify, mafia loses when reduced to 1 member, and town loses when reduced to 3 members.

    Link to the Signups
    Link to the Setup
    Note that the setup is mountainous, and therefore quite newbie-friendly (which doesn't imply gameplay is more casual).


    To make your account, simply provide a valid email and confirm your account by clicking the link sent by the site.
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    https://tenor.com/view/84-years-titanic-old-ancien...



    Still waiting! :P
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    Completed /Sub for now, I may change to sign if my other...

    /Sub for now, I may change to sign if my other games and my life allows it
  4. Great! Thank you. I'm not a big fan of mashes,...

    Great! Thank you. I'm not a big fan of mashes, but I saw the skill level of the players and wanted to join because of it.


    werewolf tho ;-;
  5. Searching for a specific mafia community and not sure I'm at the right place...

    I guess you will be more helpful than Google

    I'm looking for the 2+2 mafia community, but haven't found it anywhere. People from there seem interesting, and I'd like to try some games there. Is it really a poker site?? If that's the site, please link the mafia community. If that's not the site, please link me the actual site lol.

    Thanks in advance!
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    Good luck, protoss brother ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by fdas (#231)
    Hi I am fdas and since wartortle/jeffisepic can't make it I will be representing AoPS this year.
    Good luck, protoss brother
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    Heya heya, I confirm I'll be the back-up for SC2...

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater (#214)
    Oh im repping sc2 mafia dis year. Marshmallow marshall is mah backyup gooday
    Heya heya, I confirm I'll be the back-up for SC2 Mafia (and Blinkskater).
  8. Postgame#3342

    Thread: Duct Tape Mafia Rerand

    by Marshmallow Marshall
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    Completed GG! This was enjoyable, although we lost the...

    GG! This was enjoyable, although we lost the standard way...

    I now know that I must never townread blink. Never. Ever. Lmao
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    Completed I played Converging Realities on sc2mafia, a game...

    Quote Originally Posted by naz (#1672)
    @Chemist1422 are u....rly playing 3 fm games at the same time...??
    I played Converging Realities on sc2mafia, a game with two threads, along with this one. It's not impossible at all.

    Although @Chemist1422 should be more active than that, and shouldn't sign for 3 games if they can't actually participate in them. Cough cough.
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    Completed ...It does tho. I will dare to say that you...

    Quote Originally Posted by naz (#1624)
    Quote Originally Posted by naz (#1618)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall (#1463)
    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth (#1460)
    Because she doesn't seem terribly interested in the game. For her that's usually a scumtell. She also did some light discredits on the Michelle rain.
    She also tried to scumpaint me hard with her scummy passive stuff... I didn't see the nightkill, and she was like "Can we kill him right now?"....... I'm not 100% on her, but she's quite scummy, enough to deserve serious pressure (which, btw, never happened against her).
    what town doesn't check the night kill? only a mafia wouldn't need to check because they killed the person
    like this does not fit in with MM's "tOwN mEtA" at all but since its been a long time since i've played i'm trying not to chalk it up to meta to make my reads. esp with the pc checks it doesn't make sense to vote him here.
    ...It does tho. I will dare to say that you cannot pretend to know me lol.


    About Wes, I like:
    The posts in Gnome's ISO on him
    The recent posts where he seemed to genuinely try to catch up and scumhunt as efficiently as possible
    The vote history.

    He's not in my PoE.


    My PoE is Michelle => Spartan => GeneralWu => Naz => Logic/Mag (these two would be a surprise tho, I think PoE stops before).
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    Completed Clarifying : I think one of Naz or Wu is scum...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall (#1668)
    I agree with Michelle => Spartan, but dislike the GG scumread. I think Naz or Wu are much more likely to be scummates.
    Clarifying : I think one of Naz or Wu is scum with Michelle and Spartan.
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    Completed I agree with Michelle => Spartan, but dislike the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1539)
    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater (#1535)
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1532)
    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater (#1531)
    Thats what i've been saying, i do have a solid towncore based on the work i've been putting in.
    Town: MM, GG, Dist, Logic, Mag.

    Everyone else dies and GG.
    why GG?
    More gut then anything.

    I don't get fake vibes like i do from michelle.

    There was an interaction we had right when i entered the game that gave me a strong town feel.

    I also thought the progressions sje made in that wes iso were to logical and real to be made by a scum.

    I remember her from last time we played. I do get the same feel.
    aight, so im down for a michelle today, spartan tomorrow

    ##Vote michelle

    now, if thats 2 more - i had GG is a very probable 3rd scum. but if im going to consider her town for now, wes or naz would probbly fill the slot of 4th scum just by PoE.

    I need to go back and look at how much lyco pushed chemist when he was teh counte train. chemis could still be scum if he wasnt pushed hard by lyco. since lyco wouldent want 2 scums as the 2 trains.
    I agree with Michelle => Spartan, but dislike the GG scumread. I think Naz or Wu are much more likely to be scummates.
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    Completed Yea... Give a short summary of the reasoning...

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1506)
    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater (#1503)
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1495)
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1494)
    ##Vote spartan057 im fine with michelle as well.
    this train got fast tracked OFF of yesterday, and not even being mentioned again today.
    Yeah for sure. Don't forget Wes, Soneji, Chemist... All these players also need to go.
    bruh im pretty sure 90% of this game needs to go. lol if we get anymore people posting "scumreads" without any reads or reasoning behind it, im just going to start throwing hens at people.
    Yea... Give a short summary of the reasoning behind your reads, and organize them, please. That can only help town.

    or you can just get attacked by distorted's hens
    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater (#1505)
    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Gnome (#1497)
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1493)
    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Gnome (#1447)
    Crabby and scum are not synonyms.
    If it were, we would just lynch the grouchy people.
    And end the game fast.
    now my 3rd scumread comes in to defend michelle xD
    Hmmm, attention.
    I feel honored.
    Gnome i think your case on wes is very good, i dont see a scum being able to come up with that type of progression.

    You're still a strong town for me.

    What are your thoughts on what i said about MM being lock town?
    Do you agree with the conclusion and the way of reading Wes, though? I don't, although I like the progression a lot, too.
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    Completed Chemist?? Also, I agree with this. I think the...

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater (#1503)
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1495)
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1494)
    ##Vote spartan057 im fine with michelle as well.
    this train got fast tracked OFF of yesterday, and not even being mentioned again today.
    Yeah for sure. Don't forget Wes, Soneji, Chemist... All these players also need to go.
    Chemist??

    Also, I agree with this. I think the Naz push should've given some results by now? Anyway, I'll see the reaction, but I want to lynch either Michelle or Spartan. So I'll put my vote back there because I don't know how good my activity will be today ##Vote Michelle
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    Completed >=O HOW DARE YOU Kinda not lol, I would...

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1580)
    @Marshmallow Marshall ....did you partake in the killing of Aivion?!?!
    >=O HOW DARE YOU


    Kinda not lol, I would honestly have opposed to it, as I didn't see any "threat to scum" post... and probably murder blink N1 xD
    last game on here, I was scum and blink sort of carried town at some point, if I'm not mistaken........
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    Completed ^^ it still takes humility to think that, though,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1558)
    self lynching is not a "noble" act. its a petty, an frankly anti town play. its lazy in the fact of you not wanting to create a case against the other players. its literally bad play to a T. where is the humility in playing badly, being scumread, then allowing town to lynch a confirmed town to fix ur mistakes? lol take the initiative and do what is right and get the correct reads out there or explain your thought process clearly so the town can understand it. allowing town to mislynch is not humilty xD
    ^^ it still takes humility to think that, though, but it's (in my opinion, and I am neither God, nor Caesar nor tribune) a bad play.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1559)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall (#1557)
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#1551)
    Obviously a town player should attempt to preserve themselves! But knowing when your own lynch serves wagonomics better, or resolves another player's alignment is also a skill one should have. It takes some humility to accept it, and that's something I'm not used to seeing among long-time mafia players.
    But that can still happen if you get lynched while not specially asking for it or desiring it... Make sure you get the most out of your death with interactions, instead of pushing for it. Giving the mafia a mislynch isn't about humility, it's about giving them two town deaths.


    I think I get why I scumread you earlier: we don't think alike. Our game theory doesn't fit. Your intent feels towny, but your thoughts don't align with mines. That's my theory
    thats why i called him a town-scum earlier. i came to that same conclusion lol
    Rofl

    Anyway, I think we can close the case now. I'd like to know your thoughts on Wu; I'll read his ISO myself to make my own mind.
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    Completed Town Chemist, because previously explained...

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1554)
    @Marshmallow Marshall whats your reads list?
    Town

    Chemist, because previously explained wagonomics
    Distorted, because of several towny interactions, towny intent, solviness, and meta
    Blinkskater, because of my little manipulation game, and because of the honest side of his pushes


    Wesmaster, because of Gnome's ISO on him. The quoted posts stroke me as town. I will read their ISO further, but am feeling good about this.
    Gnome, a lot because of her ISO on Wesmaster (Yep, loopy loop!). She isn't THAT towny, but has my trust for now and gets spared by PoE.

    Soneji, he's logical and looks good. He also shut off Blinkskater quite boldly when Blink tried to intimidate him in a way. He COULD be scum, I just spare him for now.

    Logic, because of... logical progression, lol. I'm not totally convinced there, but I wouldn't lynch him at all today. Special category.

    Magoroth... Town lean, but he could easily play like this as either alignment. I think the strongest thing with him is the 99.999% non-scummateship with Naz, since he started the train on her and asked me to sheep him. That's really not something you do to a scummate. I think the same can be said about Michelle - Mag, because of the "Michelle, the scummiest of them all". I don't think he'd do that as her scummate.


    Null - GeneralWu, I need to read into this slot a bit more. I think he's a bit scummy, and wouldn't be surprised on a red flip, but I don't remember why lol... so yea, null.


    Naz, she is not being solvy, and more "picky". Attacking the logic of posts in a harsh/satirical way, without really giving reads. Jumped on me for not having seen the AIVION flip, literally saying "Can we just kill him right now" or something similar... She could be town, and her meta saves her a bit, but UGH. Scummy.
    Spartan057, vote inconsistencies, and ISO looks scummy, I've been talking about it for a while now. Would like to see him lynched soon.


    Michelle, the scummiest scummy person... Already made several posts about her, self-awareness, defensive, AtE, the anger thing that I don't 100% buy... Hang them up high.

    Scum
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    Completed But that can still happen if you get lynched...

    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#1551)
    Obviously a town player should attempt to preserve themselves! But knowing when your own lynch serves wagonomics better, or resolves another player's alignment is also a skill one should have. It takes some humility to accept it, and that's something I'm not used to seeing among long-time mafia players.
    But that can still happen if you get lynched while not specially asking for it or desiring it... Make sure you get the most out of your death with interactions, instead of pushing for it. Giving the mafia a mislynch isn't about humility, it's about giving them two town deaths.


    I think I get why I scumread you earlier: we don't think alike. Our game theory doesn't fit. Your intent feels towny, but your thoughts don't align with mines. That's my theory
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    Completed This is NAI game theory btw, so I ain't basing...

    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#1487)
    From MM ~~ Why? Are you under the assumption that there is one non-voter that is scum? Given that Mag didn't even know about the game's existence at that point of the game (I believe so at least), it's not really AI, whatever Michelle flips.


    Reply ~~
    Statistics is why. Can there be two scum not voting at EOD? Yes, but it is less likely. That's why I give magoroth just a slight town point if Michelle flips red.
    This is NAI game theory btw, so I ain't basing anything off it.

    This is a logical fallacy if the said non-voters are AFKs. It works as good as saying "Chance of being town > chance of being scum, therefore everyone is town" (that's exaggerated but still).
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    Completed Ohh, just found it lmao, I'm still not used to...

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater (#1538)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall (#1536)
    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater (#1484)
    $#@! it nobody seems to want to acknowledge the elephant in the room, so i will.

    Yogi checked Phi and MM N1 and i believe he got same alignment there.

    Prove me wrong, I have a case for when i can get to my CPU. But anybody with a brain just by reading yogi's iso should be able to figure this out.

    He put great emphasis on MM and PHI all day 2.

    Marsh is now lock town.
    I agree, that became quite obvious when the Yog flip happened... a bit too late, sadly, and campaigning for it myself would've been crappy xD

    Why do you trust Gnome, btw?
    I literally just posted that...
    Ohh, just found it lmao, I'm still not used to GG... it doesn't mean good game there

    I agree with your reasons.
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    Completed Tbh, the posts you're pointing out there strike...

    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Gnome (#1486)
    Wesmaster160 ISO:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#254)
    Aivion so far has been pretty towny.

    Logic making very self-centered reads like that about his own meta is a good look.

    Still waiting on Chemist to answer my question.

    Gnome hasn't posted a single read yet :/

    And Lycoris not doing much at all besides some random pop-ins isn't great.


    Day one, after the RVS phase ended, Wesmaster made this group of reads. He seems to be zeroing in on several players, with his most pointed criticism for Lycoris, who later flipped scum. That looks towny.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#265)
    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#261)
    ##Vote Lycoris

    Sheeping the Sheriff for now

    I'll read up in a bit and hopefully be a real person
    ##Vote Lycoris

    I'll join in. Let's see what she has to say about Aivion

    follows through with a vote on Lycoris. This looks like a town play to me. There would be no reason for him to do this as scum. He has allied himself with a town player. I know that it could be interpreted as busing for town cred, but, at this point, I don't really see that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#281)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#279)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#197)
    That’s what I’m trying to figure out. You yourself admitted that your wolfreads were for the sake of having wolfreads.

    Did you get anything from reactions to them?
    Had a back and forth with Aivion that came out pretty towny for them. And you pushing me for them as agenda-y, which doesn't sit great with me :P


    shading chemist. Not sure that this is towny. Claims that Chemist has an agenda, and, apparently, that agenda is scummy. Also accuses chemist of having fake wolf reads. So... does he vote chemist???

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#318)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#316)
    I sorta want to vote Chemist to tie things up and see what happens but I'm not sure how I feel about his "pressure" vote and turn around on me...
    Whatevs we doin it.

    ##Vote Chemist1422

    votes Chemist, removing vote from Lycoris. Doesn't say much about Lycoris at this point. This does not look towny. Never made any effort to explore whether Lycoris or Chemist are at all connected. Could Wesmaster have seen Chemist and Lycoris as teamed? It's almost as if Wesmaster has placed Chemist and Lycoris in separate boxes.

    [SPOILER]
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#481)
    ##Vote Lycoris

    Between Lycoris and Logic I'd much rather see Lycoris lynched. Logic's move saying that people who know his meta should think he's scum could be a scum trying to make a sort of excuse for his play, but I don't see it.

    And Lycoris' reasoning on Aivion is pretty empty like Aivion has pointed out since it's basically "she's too friendly". Need to check up on what players liked it, cause could be partners covering for each other or possibly TMI if Lycoris is town.

    ##Vote Lycoris

    Now, Wesmaster is voting Lycoris, having completely dropped Chemist. This seems like some sort of attempt to look towny. I really don't understand why Wesmaster scum read both Lycoris and Chemist, yet put them in these separate little boxes.



    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1109)
    Naz, who would you lynch besides MM today?
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1114)
    ##Vote Spartan057

    also this til he comes back and answers my questions.


    Why Spartan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1195)
    I'll be out the rest of the day. I'll try and get a break sometime before EoD to check in. But I'm pretty fine where my vote is right now.


    I am totally not sure about Wesmaster. I don't know if Wesmaster bussed a teammate for the town cred. At this point, though, I would give Wesmaster the FoS. Also, I'd be interested in other players' interpretation on Wesmaster's votes and actions.
    Tbh, the posts you're pointing out there strike me as towny. Putting a scummate as scummy is a thing; putting a scummate as SCUMMIER than someone else is another, and will usually not happen.
    His early list of reads also feels towny, as you pointed out.
    "Shading chemist" at that point of the game wasn't that bad. Wagonomics told us later that he was town; Chemist hasn't really been towny by himself.
    I also don't think the "separate boxes" are scum indicative... It's not always possible to find a link between people (especially when at least one of them is town lol). Also, Hanlon's razor applies there.

    Thanks for your input tho, Gnome. Although I do not agree with your way of reading Wes' posts, I see your reads coming from a Town PoV.
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    Completed I agree, that became quite obvious when the Yog...

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater (#1484)
    $#@! it nobody seems to want to acknowledge the elephant in the room, so i will.

    Yogi checked Phi and MM N1 and i believe he got same alignment there.

    Prove me wrong, I have a case for when i can get to my CPU. But anybody with a brain just by reading yogi's iso should be able to figure this out.

    He put great emphasis on MM and PHI all day 2.

    Marsh is now lock town.
    I agree, that became quite obvious when the Yog flip happened... a bit too late, sadly, and campaigning for it myself would've been crappy xD

    Why do you trust Gnome, btw?
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    Completed Checking the vote history, I realized Spartan...

    Checking the vote history, I realized Spartan hopped on a lot of trains that gained traction or had already gained traction, without voting very seriously on other people...

    On Logic (4 votes, on d1), on myself (4 votes, on d2), on Phighter (the first vote)... It feels like Spartan is the one actually leading the lynches in the background, when you just look at vote history.
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    Completed I read your ISO. I saw a $#@! ton of scummy...

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1470)
    I still have a last thing, my vote and i will vote you because Logic made my ISO as well and yours is really ill intended. As proove read his ISO and see how a townie makes an ISO on this site.
    ##Vote Marshmallow Marshall
    Reason: too greedy to hung a villager. Two villagers. Etc...
    I read your ISO. I saw a $#@! ton of scummy posts. I pointed them out. There's no ill will, no word twist, only truth.... You do make a good job at feeling towny rn, though, but you keep saying words were twisted, which is what YOU are doing.
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    Completed What do you think about my case on Michelle?

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#1457)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#1455)
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#1432)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#1430)
    How does Michelle have TMI? It didn't seem like that to me.
    See p#1411
    that doesn't seem scummy to me tbh
    If you look at your own comments, there are ones about Michelle's opening posts. Which, the D1 post is going to be different than the D3 one, because nothing happened before D1 (aside from the rerand) whereas D3 start we already had a lot of stuff going on.

    There was also stuff about Michelle's interactions with Lycoris. Michelle responding to Lycoris' post about AIVION wasn't the least bit scummy, because that was an argument, and it is possible to agree with people's arguments. Like, if the argument is bad, that doesn't mean the players are mafia. Considering Lycoris flipped mafia, that doesn't mean Michelle is mafia either, since there could be townies fooled by the mafia.
    And later when you said Michelle said reading Lycoris' ISO produced nothing, I can kinda see why. She said she can't vote Lycoris because Lycoris was null to her, which is good because you're not going to lynch someone if they're null. You should lynch scummy people, not null people.
    What do you think about my case on Michelle?
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    Completed She also tried to scumpaint me hard with her...

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth (#1460)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#1456)
    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth (#1443)
    I agree @Marshmallow Marshall. sheep me on naz. ##Vote naz
    Marshmallow Marshall didn't say naz was mafia though.
    Also why are you voting naz?
    Because she doesn't seem terribly interested in the game. For her that's usually a scumtell. She also did some light discredits on the Michelle rain.
    She also tried to scumpaint me hard with her scummy passive stuff... I didn't see the nightkill, and she was like "Can we kill him right now?"....... I'm not 100% on her, but she's quite scummy, enough to deserve serious pressure (which, btw, never happened against her).
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    Completed He agrees with me that we need to pressure other...

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#1456)
    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth (#1443)
    I agree @Marshmallow Marshall. sheep me on naz. ##Vote naz
    Marshmallow Marshall didn't say naz was mafia though.
    Also why are you voting naz?
    He agrees with me that we need to pressure other people to get as much info as possible. There's no word twisting going on there :P
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1453)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall (#1439)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1396)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1391)
    I will post then later. Rl issues.
    First 2 scum reads
    Spartan is scum from yesterday
    Logic leans scum.
    Chemist at null
    Soneji with an accurate analisys leans town
    Wes leans town
    Blink, naz at null.
    MM and Magoroth idk
    Okay.... do we all agree that Michelle is 99% scum, and that we lynch her at EoD, so we can use the time we have to find OTHER scums?

    Explainations are in my ISO analysis on her, and I think I can add some stuff there...
    Spartan is scum from yesterday? Yea, maybe. Btw, does anyone know if Michelle tends to bus or not?
    Logic leans scum... No, not anymore, I don't see how it can happen (and the blink-logic interaction about wanting to be a wagon is VERY town indicative for both of them, btw)
    Chemist null.... WHICH GAME ARE YOU PLAYING XD
    Alright with Soneji.
    Wes leans town? Uuuuh okay I guess, but I don't see why
    Blink null??? ... Naz null is ok tho.
    How the $#@! am I "idk" xD that's really... no. You either like my playstyle and see what it does for town, or don't like and scumread me. Null reading me when I'm one of the actives, and when I play strongly (and quite obviously pro-town imo), is bull$#@!.


    Therefore, I'll start doing analysis on other people and pushing elsewhere, but my vote will always be on Michelle at EoD.
    I don't know means i don't have an oppiniom yet. I don't have any intention to shade you in any way so i can't say more.
    I agree with you if your agenda is to lynch a townie, lynch me. Do not say i didn't tell you.

    I will be back here in maybe 10 hours from now because for me is Sunday evening.
    I've played before with players with strong oppinions like you and i don't have any intention to figt you. Give me a scum who never pushed for a lynch or have a chaotic day 1 like i had.
    I am guilty to not vote Lycoris? So what i didn't vote him? This is completely NAI.
    I will vote and give my reads when i'll be back.
    I'm already pushing at other people, for info. You are so scummy that it hurts, and I apologize if you're town, but you're not giving me any town vibes. Your plays are either scummy or NAI, this game.
    And I never accused you of not having voted Lycoris. I didn't even vote her at EoD, myself. I literally made a full case against you (it was supposed to be a simple ISO analysis but it ended up showing you were scum) in a spoiler lol.
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    Completed Hmm, request granted. Naz needs some pressure Naz

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth (#1443)
    I agree @Marshmallow Marshall. sheep me on naz. ##Vote naz
    Hmm, request granted. Naz needs some pressure ##Vote Naz
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    Completed Why? Are you under the assumption that there is...

    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#1440)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#1379)
    Retrospective Day 1 Votecount as of Post #583

    Post #583 was originally posted at 9:00 PM EST on Thursday, February 28th, 2019.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    6 Lycoris yogsloth, GeneralWu, AIVION, Distorted, Wesmaster160, blinkskater
    4 Logic Marshmallow Marshall, Chemist1422, Garden Gnome, Spartan057
    3 AIVION Lycoris, naz, Logic
    1 Marshmallow Marshall Phighter
    1 blinkskater Soneji
    2 Not voting Magoroth, Michelle

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    Requested by Logic at 1 days, 11 hours, 28 minutes, 27 seconds remaining.
    In the event that Michelle flips red then that looks slightly good for Magoroth.
    Why? Are you under the assumption that there is one non-voter that is scum? Given that Mag didn't even know about the game's existence at that point of the game (I believe so at least), it's not really AI, whatever Michelle flips.
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    Completed Please don't add more votes on Michelle yet, btw....

    Please don't add more votes on Michelle yet, btw. Don't turbolynch.
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    Completed Okay.... do we all agree that Michelle is 99%...

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1396)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1391)
    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth (#1389)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1387)
    I didn't insult you either.

    His posts. I can iso him and explain them to you. If you need translation i mean.
    It will take some time though.
    b
    by all means. also, your scumreads. please. more important rn
    I will post then later. Rl issues.
    First 2 scum reads
    Spartan is scum from yesterday
    Logic leans scum.
    Chemist at null
    Soneji with an accurate analisys leans town
    Wes leans town
    Blink, naz at null.
    MM and Magoroth idk
    Okay.... do we all agree that Michelle is 99% scum, and that we lynch her at EoD, so we can use the time we have to find OTHER scums?

    Explainations are in my ISO analysis on her, and I think I can add some stuff there...
    Spartan is scum from yesterday? Yea, maybe. Btw, does anyone know if Michelle tends to bus or not?
    Logic leans scum... No, not anymore, I don't see how it can happen (and the blink-logic interaction about wanting to be a wagon is VERY town indicative for both of them, btw)
    Chemist null.... WHICH GAME ARE YOU PLAYING XD
    Alright with Soneji.
    Wes leans town? Uuuuh okay I guess, but I don't see why
    Blink null??? ... Naz null is ok tho.
    How the $#@! am I "idk" xD that's really... no. You either like my playstyle and see what it does for town, or don't like and scumread me. Null reading me when I'm one of the actives, and when I play strongly (and quite obviously pro-town imo), is bull$#@!.


    Therefore, I'll start doing analysis on other people and pushing elsewhere, but my vote will always be on Michelle at EoD.
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    Completed Well, looks like a lot of people see the same...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#1435)
    Duct Tape Mafia Rerand Day 3 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    4 Michelle blinkskater (7), Magoroth (13), Logic (9), Marshmallow Marshall (1)
    9 Not voting Chemist1422 (0), Distorted (0), Wesmaster160 (0), GeneralWu (10), naz (2), Michelle (14), Soneji (0), Garden Gnome (0), Spartan057 (3)

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    Well, looks like a lot of people see the same things I do xD
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    Completed Passive agreement with Lycoris on AIVION being...

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#312)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris (#309)
    Here's what I think of AIVION.

    She acts way too friendly in the game. Way too friendly. Her interactions with other players feel unnatural, in a way that they are not genuine. The interactions seem like that she's friendly in a way that she might seen helpful and all, but isn't at all.
    This is a good observation.
    Passive agreement with Lycoris on AIVION being scummy. This shows quite a bit in the early ISO.
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#473)
    Umtil i can catch up, if i can do this at 3 am.. :-( (sorry for any writing mistake.)

    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#347)
    I mean, chemist ISO is pretty empty

    Is that why we're running him up the flagpole?

    I don't expect much D1

    or rather, I don't expect much out of Townies D1
    Started to read when Chemist wagom had 5 votes. I see Chemist as NAI atm
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#392)
    Also, for some reason everyone's voting Chemist right now. I skimmed through his posts, and I do have to be honest many of them aren't backed with that much reasoning. They're not convincing.

    Then we have lycoris basically doing the same thing.
    That
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#397)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall (#395)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris (#255)
    I don't really trust AIVION. I'm going to elaborate all on this soon.

    ##Vote AIVION
    The only explainations on that were "She's friendly". No $#@!! Friendly = scum, now... How far have we strayed from God lol. I don't really like this, although I base nothing strong on this.
    There were people saying AIVION's friendliness is faked, but I highly, highly doubt someone posting in that sort of tone is mafia, unless they are just faking it super well.
    When i am scum i have a joyful tone, that i am not yet well aware of. So this can happen. We don't know each other to can judge well though.
    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION (#464)
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#460)
    @AIVION sheep to teh lycocris. watch people squirm!
    Sheeep lycoris?

    I'm voting them xD
    What makes Lycoris scum? I need to iso and check
    More passive pushing on AIVION, and disagreement with Lycoris scumread without making it clearly heard.
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#496)
    Reading Lycoris' posts i receive nothing from them. Zero feeling.
    I can't vote there. As wolf he would defend better helped by the packmates.
    More disagreement without it being a clear defense, could easily be W/W.
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#502)
    Also Logic said things that he woukdn't say as wolf. But indeed i only saw his town game.
    So i can't vote Logic yet based on this day's posts.
    Logic said things he wouldn't say as a wolf. But she never saw his wolf game? How does she know that Logic wouldn't say X or Y as a wolf, then? Strange.
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#665)
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#592)
    Town:

    - MM
    - GeneralWu
    - yogsloth

    Null

    - Blinkskater
    - wesmaster
    - Chemist
    - Naz (scumleaning)

    Scum

    Spartan
    Michelle
    Logic
    Garden Gnome
    You put me there because i said Logic and GG are townish by meta?
    Quote Originally Posted by naz (#601)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#598)
    I don't see why not, but before we do does anyone hate this plan and object?
    no one knows what hypoing means
    i wish i could lynch all yall that use all these acronyms and $#@! lol
    I am still searching after almost 2 months all those acronyms to understand the posts -_-

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#621)
    Logic, Michelle, or Spartan is what im wanting to see lynched today. i read the whole thread from start to finish for the first time to catch up. It was nice knowing a confirmed scum in there while doing it, made me able to look at interactions with some perspective. i wrote down posts that stuck out to me as well.

    spartan057 -Scum: 314, 327, 431, 465 (SCUM)

    Michelle, 312, 473, 496 (SCUM)

    Logic, post 305 (towny, 415, 417), post 508, [(511, why?) (581) prepping for lycoris to flip scum]

    GG, 331 (coaching lycoris) , 400
    I wish to see you posting at 3 am and having a good logic and a good head. I couldn't read Lycoris but that doesn't make me scum.
    I need to read the thread, i'll come back later.
    I've already commented on this, but there's self-awareness and willlingness to be townread, noticeably more than I would expect from a town player. This comes back at some points in the ISO.
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#871)
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#816)
    Current feels

    Pile of towns
    Yogsloth
    Phighter
    Wesmaster

    Townish
    Chemist
    GeneralWu
    blinkskater

    Need more from you
    Magoroth
    Soneji

    Scumish
    naz
    Garden Gnome

    Scumspects
    Marshmallow Marshall
    Michelle
    Spartan057
    Distorted
    If you put me into need more from you list it would be nice.
    Another point of self-awareness and will to be townread
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1035)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan057 (#12)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#7)
    I randed Town Leader again

    ##Vote Marshmallow Marshall
    ##Vote Distorted
    ##Vote Lycoris

    GG xD
    Co-town here. Agreed with the above.
    This was very interesting.
    Quote Originally Posted by AIVION (#106)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#101)
    For something to hopefully at least get people talking, I liked Spartan's entrance posts.

    And Wu, Gnome, and Chemists are the scummiest people so far in the thread to me. Though not strong reads at all there.
    He claimed to be Co-leader. You think it's smart to claim immediately if you are co-leader?

    Also aside from the little flux in his mood a bit ago, what else has Wu said that made you think their scummy? What about Gnome made you think that way as well? And was it Chemists self-vote that made you think that way?

    do self-votes even count..? xD
    Was she killed for this post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1020)
    Good morning at 5:30 AM i have to read a lot
    I've read just 1/4
    My first feeling is to go with (or against?) the fakeclaim
    ##Vote Phighter
    "My first feeling is to go with/against the fakeclaim"
    HM? That's pretty much bull$#@!, as the following quote shows...
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#303)
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#236)

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall (#187)
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#152)
    Starting out as a serious person is usually a scum trait, or so I am told.
    I just noticed that this is an absolutely scummy post, coming from the person who has started as serious...... plus, it's not true, starting trolly or scummy is up to personality, not alignment, unless specific player metas.
    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#191)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall (#187)
    I just noticed that this is an absolutely scummy post, coming from the person who has started as serious...... plus, it's not true, starting trolly or scummy is up to personality, not alignment, unless specific player metas.
    I also agree with this

    I'm just gonna follow the marshmallow around and chime in with "you tell 'em, Steve-Dave!" every once in a while
    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan057 (#212)
    Just gutreads atm though

    ##Vote Logic
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#224)
    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater (#215)
    Morning folks, just read the thread i will probably catch a meta scum-read for this but i don't really care.

    Marsh comes across towny asf content wise.

    ##Vote naz

    Sup girl
    meta often isn't reliable.

    by the way i see people voting zero posters which really isnt useful amd i don't recommend doing that. there is no evidence against those zero posters.

    ##Unvote yogsloth
    Town points to everyone that doesn't know my meta making these observations. (yogsloth, Marsh, Spartan, Wu)
    Scum points to people that do know my meta not looking at me and seeing I am still well within my scum-meta. (Chemist, Gnome, Michelle? Wes? Not so sure about htese latter two, because I don't know if they've ever seen my scum game.)

    Phighter looks town due to his own meta.
    I didn't see Logic playing scum yet.

    Agree about Phighter
    Phighter looks town due to his own meta
    Agree about Phighter

    NOPE that's not trusting the fake claim.

    Also, stating it is a fakeclaim is potentially (although that's a bit far-fetched) TMI, since Michelle is not in the scum list. Therefore, she cannot know for sure that it is a fake claim (although I can confirm it is one).
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1052)
    Actually MM, Phighter can be town as well, like he can be wolf. He is at null for me atm and i think i need to vote better.
    I will continue reading, idk why i cannot connect myself with the game. I know I am low poster and i look bad for now and i try to change this.
    More flip flopping on Phighter, and the posts are next to eachother ;-;
    Also, more self-awareness and caring about how she looks, again
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1237)
    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth (#1192)
    nah, if Phighter doesn't get lynched today I will cry myself to sleep. Phighter's gambit is borderline open-wolfing; even if he's town (e.g. town leader), he's bound to slip at some point and scum will be looking out for that. it's honestly scummy to keep a townleader claim alive

    I'd also go for Michelle, Spartan, or Logic tomorrow after Phighter
    I have a strong feeling that Phighter is not scum in this game
    ##Unvote Phighter

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth (#1198)
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1194)
    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth (#1192)
    nah, if Phighter doesn't get lynched today I will cry myself to sleep. Phighter's gambit is borderline open-wolfing; even if he's town (e.g. town leader), he's bound to slip at some point and scum will be looking out for that. it's honestly scummy to keep a townleader claim alive

    I'd also go for Michelle, Spartan, or Logic tomorrow after Phighter
    you're that strong on Phighter? what feelings do you have other than his gambit of claiming town leader (which i 100% agree with being anti town and can only result in literally losing us the game if it goes wrong lol)

    I dunno, haven't read many of his posts, but I want to discourage people from going down this path (mainly scum) so that we don't have to worry about this kind of $#@! later

    I think my strongest townread rn is yog, and my strongest scumreads is Spartan, it seemed to me like he was acting very weird yesterday on Lycoris' lynch, and also didn't vote them

    the interesting thing is that I don't think he voted Lycoris at all.

    this is all followed by the very scummy Michelle, who I see on a team with spartan, and (maybe) Phighter, as she's moved her votes over there and discredited a few people along the way
    Bad reads sir. I am town.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1205)

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1204)
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1154)
    amg michelle you are so scum lol
    Is just my luck that i look scum in your eyes i think. What exactly is omg so scum?

    you justify anything you do before you do it. its the same kind of cautious play that stuck out to me from gnome. as well as you seemed to actively TRY to get lynches off lyc near EoD. you came in, made cases against other people slightly and stated a reason for why lyc shouldent be lynched. however, you keep saying you dont know whats going on really and are confused.

    seems like a scum play.
    I do justify. Is my playstyle. I dislike to defend myself, so I claim town and I wish to see you lynching a hard claimed town.
    I dislike your aggresivity vs my lack of activity because i pointed out that i didn't read the thread completely. About what you think is push i received answers and it was enough. Do you think i would let things in midair if i was scum?

    I will vote and go to bed because is almost midnight for me.

    ##Vote Spartan057
    Reason: inconsistency in posts and votes.
    EVEN MORE flip flop on Phighter, to end up saying "Told ya!" at EoD (Info added by my quick reading of the post-start of day posts)

    EVEN MORE self defense and a whole paragraph of self-awareness "I do justify", and then a vote on Spartan.... that comes prety much out of nowhere, I believe.


    Conclusion: Michelle is scum, because of the repeated defensive and self-aware behavior, the full flip flop TO END UP SAYING "Told you idiots" kind of stuff once the flip happens... ##Vote Michelle

    Also, this is what I was typing out when day ended one hour earlier than I thought. It's good though, since I could witness the "TOLD YOU" posts literally accusing and incriminating the Phighter voters. Down with the Michelle.
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    Completed I share your doubts. About Soneji, he's...

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan057 (#1345)
    Quote Originally Posted by naz (#1343)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralWu (#1323)
    why would anyone want to be the lynch
    also where did he say that I can't find that post right now.
    he said it a few times but theres no way i could find it for you atm
    I dont he said that tbh.
    I share your doubts.


    About Soneji, he's pretty solvy-looking... he also is Mr. Analysis, which can actually be done as any alignment, as a pretty good smokescreen. You can even mislead town "logically" like this; I didn't see that from him. I lean town on him, but it's nothing big, and I keep healthy doubt on his alignment.
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    Completed Yes, I think it is (3 votes to lynch at EoD seems...

    Quote Originally Posted by naz (#1322)
    lynch is mandatory right?
    also scum read on logic for wanting to be the lynch, seems like town leader fishing
    Yes, I think it is (3 votes to lynch at EoD seems pretty low lol).

    Logic said he WANTED to be the lynch?? That doesn't fit with the solvy, logical personality from him.
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    Completed Why? Why, and what's "the same"? The same you...

    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan057 (#1101)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1100)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan057 (#1097)
    Lean town/I feel better about:

    Logic
    Distorted
    Marsh
    GG
    Blink - least though. Need to think about more.

    Wouldnt lynch yet

    Michelle
    Soneji
    Chemist

    -----------would lynch below this line.

    50/50 slight scum

    Phighter
    Naz -need to see more from them tbh.
    Mag

    Could be wolf/I'm not comfortable with

    General Wu
    Wes
    How do you have Gnome so high up?
    Gnomes a town lean atm
    Why?
    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan057 (#1102)
    I feel the same about Marshmallow
    Why, and what's "the same"? The same you feel with Gnome?

    P.S. this makes 0 sense, as our playstyles are very different... getting the same vibes from us is really weird.
    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan057 (#1103)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan057 (#1101)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1100)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan057 (#1097)
    Lean town/I feel better about:

    Logic
    Distorted
    Marsh
    GG
    Blink - least though. Need to think about more.

    Wouldnt lynch yet

    Michelle
    Soneji
    Chemist

    -----------would lynch below this line.

    50/50 slight scum

    Phighter
    Naz -need to see more from them tbh.
    Mag

    Could be wolf/I'm not comfortable with

    General Wu
    Wes
    How do you have Gnome so high up?
    Gnomes a town lean atm
    I'd look at Gnomes interactions after a few more flips. But theyre not a 100% town for me.
    Okay, so you don't trust them that much...... but it still doesn't tell us why
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    Completed Agreed with this, I keep mistaking them for...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#1127)
    Oh yeah Wu should be in the PoE

    They’ve mostly been talking about mechanics so far and not giving reads
    Agreed with this, I keep mistaking them for Wesmaster because of the W lol, but reading the quotes pulled recently makes me scumread him a bit, that vote on Lycoris could be W/W.
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    Completed Fyi, the lynches I want today are Phighter for...

    Fyi, the lynches I want today are Phighter for obvious reasons, Spartan because of vote inconsistency & the lie Distorted pointed out, that the Lyco train kept dying, not that it was sticking too hard (that's the short version of my read on him), and that's mostly it, although I scumread Wes a little bit but I can't even remember why atm so it's nothing strong xD

    My town circle is myself, chemist, distorted.

    My read on naz is townish because of meta, even if her reads quality right now is... debatable.

    Can't wait to see more from Michelle, this slot is interesting IMO.
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    Completed Yes, I am, and you gotta read the game A BIT to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth (#1054)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall (#1051)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#1045)
    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Gnome (#1044)
    that's all right. We can still afford a mislynch. Who are your other scumspects, just in case you aren't too excited about mislynching gnome?
    Distorted/Marshmallowwo
    Sure. Heil, Kaiser, dir!

    It is a disrespect and a diplomatic attack at SC2 Mafia and your squirrel brother to imply that we would be townreading and defending eachother like this if we were scummates.

    I've got a little question for you, Kaiser. If you are town leader, why would you out everything like this? Even if you add 1-2 false scums in the bunch, it doesn't mean mafia won't see that you're leading town to win... therefore, how can your claim make sense, from my point of view and Distorted's?

    Another question, mi general. Who is the Mafia Leader, in your opinion?

    And a last one, Duce... Why did you not appear in the thread and scumhunt, if you are really town? As town leader, I would immediatly attempt to detect the mafia leader, to know everything and not appear town-leader-y to the mafia, by simply being good, and beginning with the mafia leader to look like a townie who's really good at reading people! You have 40k posts, you don't post a lot apparently, you play on here since 3 years now... You know all of this. It makes no sense to pull such a low level play for you, as actual town leader.

    Oh, and... mon Roy. If you were anything else that is town-aligned, why would you do that? Your guesses have very little chance of being all correct, so you would basically cross yourself off the town leader list, as you would be obviously ignorant. I also don't see how that play makes more sense as parity cop or co-leader, for the same reasons.

    I actually don't need to see the ISO, since now I know the reasons behind your vote and your intent. Rofl. So, I'm waiting on your reply, mein Fürher, and am going to bed for now.


    @ everyone else, I think we caught a scum here... The question is, why would he do this as scum? That's where I don't understand. If anyone has ideas, please tell. Inb4 he thinks town leader is dumb enough to counterclaim him or something xD
    are you talking about Phighter? could you please explain what your reasons for scumreading him are? I don't want to go digging through the thread
    Yes, I am, and you gotta read the game A BIT to at least know what this is about. Long and short of it is that Phighter claims town leader, claims that the three scums he "knows" are lyco disto and myself, blah blah blah. So since I know it's a lie, I'm pushing him lol. Hence the hail kaiser dir's and similar.

    My activity may be limited in the next days, for I am going on a family visit. Just letting you know, so don't start screaming LURKERRRRR if you don't see me much :P
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    Completed Sure. Heil, Kaiser, dir! It is a disrespect...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#1045)
    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Gnome (#1044)
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1017)
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#997)
    An ISO of Lycoris has me thinking the following:

    Lycoris spewed Yog Town in P#87

    Also think that Lycoris spewed Chemist town in... pretty much all of his posts. (It's a 13 post ISO, you guys can look it up!)

    Soft defense of Distorted in P#209 while questioning Yogsloth bolsters the town!Yog theory. Also, a slight lowering of townstock for Distorted.

    I can't clear nor rule out Lycoris/Gnome in P#324. I feel like this may be more important later, but for now, I'm just going to put a pin in it.

    Lyco talks to Spartan in P#328, but I think that's NAI for Spartan.

    P#338 doesn't look rehearsed to me, so slightly edge Gnome's townstock up for this. Could be NAI though.
    I have a scumread on gnome as well, so i wouldent mind a lynch there.
    that's all right. We can still afford a mislynch. Who are your other scumspects, just in case you aren't too excited about mislynching gnome?
    Distorted/Marshmallowwo
    Sure. Heil, Kaiser, dir!

    It is a disrespect and a diplomatic attack at SC2 Mafia and your squirrel brother to imply that we would be townreading and defending eachother like this if we were scummates.

    I've got a little question for you, Kaiser. If you are town leader, why would you out everything like this? Even if you add 1-2 false scums in the bunch, it doesn't mean mafia won't see that you're leading town to win... therefore, how can your claim make sense, from my point of view and Distorted's?

    Another question, mi general. Who is the Mafia Leader, in your opinion?

    And a last one, Duce... Why did you not appear in the thread and scumhunt, if you are really town? As town leader, I would immediatly attempt to detect the mafia leader, to know everything and not appear town-leader-y to the mafia, by simply being good, and beginning with the mafia leader to look like a townie who's really good at reading people! You have 40k posts, you don't post a lot apparently, you play on here since 3 years now... You know all of this. It makes no sense to pull such a low level play for you, as actual town leader.

    Oh, and... mon Roy. If you were anything else that is town-aligned, why would you do that? Your guesses have very little chance of being all correct, so you would basically cross yourself off the town leader list, as you would be obviously ignorant. I also don't see how that play makes more sense as parity cop or co-leader, for the same reasons.

    I actually don't need to see the ISO, since now I know the reasons behind your vote and your intent. Rofl. So, I'm waiting on your reply, mein Fürher, and am going to bed for now.


    @ everyone else, I think we caught a scum here... The question is, why would he do this as scum? That's where I don't understand. If anyone has ideas, please tell. Inb4 he thinks town leader is dumb enough to counterclaim him or something xD
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    Completed Lol okay, at this point, the benefit of the doubt...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#1036)
    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#1025)
    Or maybe you tbh

    ##Vote Phighter
    I had Lycoris in my opening three

    don't lynch the leader
    Lol okay, at this point, the benefit of the doubt of you wanting to shield the leader is pretty much dead... What the hell does that grant to town? ##Vote Phighter As someone who knows for a fact that the list is partially bull$#@! (I say partially because I'm town but Lycoris was scum), I declare this squirrel guilty of identity theft, conspiration, treason, and aggravated murder.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#1037)
    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#1031)
    phi has balls like cantelopes, but I don't think even he pulls a $#@!wit maneuver to announce he's Town Leader when he's actually the Town mondayfriday Leader and lists the entire scum team in his first post

    I mean, not twice in a row anyway

    There is some sort of asshat way to FPS (Fancy Play Syndrom) this $#@! as Town I suppose

    But

    I'm warming up to this exact idea that he's the mafia boss
    Wouldn't you want to kill my list anyway to check lmao
    W h a t a b o u t w e k i l l y o u i n s t e a d ?
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    Completed ... If that was true and I were his scummate, I...

    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#1032)
    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#1029)
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#1027)
    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#1025)
    Or maybe you tbh

    ##Vote Phighter
    Likely dumb tinfoil theory:
    Because I happen to be currently scumreading both of the players phighter has also called out as scummy besides Lycoris; what if he's the mafia leader pretending to be the twin leader?

    Please someone tell me this tinfoil is dumb.
    I was literally writing it up

    do I think Phi would chuck his whole $#@!in' team under the buss to flush out the real leader

    why yes, yes I do
    I dunno if that would be my path to winning, were I mafia here, personally. Mafia still can win the old fashioned way, though having 3/4 of their number known to a town is a bit of a disadvantage. But i dont think of want to gamble on the 1/9? Chance of picking the correct VT that has reads a bit TOO good and gamble the game on that alone.
    ... If that was true and I were his scummate, I would literally slap him in the night chat for days... and nights. It would be such an asshole move lol. Plus, the town leader would know everyone's identity, which would allow him to play dumb all day and get the scums down discreetly.

    It's also, as yogsloth said, being desperate instantly, before even giving any chance to your team to make any move. Pretty crappy, in my opinion at least.

    But, the "cantelopes" you're talking about are interesting... it means that the town points I gave him for putting himself in the spotlight right at start of game are invalid. Time to read his ISO.
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    Completed Given that I'm town, it would be a bit stupid xD...

    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#1027)
    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#1025)
    Or maybe you tbh

    ##Vote Phighter
    Likely dumb tinfoil theory:
    Because I happen to be currently scumreading both of the players phighter has also called out as scummy besides Lycoris; what if he's the mafia leader pretending to be the twin leader?

    Please someone tell me this tinfoil is dumb.
    Given that I'm town, it would be a bit stupid xD town flips are rather hurtful for a town leader claim...
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    Completed And I'm the Queen of England. Remind me... what...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#1021)
    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater (#920)
    Town:
    MM
    Gnome
    Distorted
    Logic

    Town Leaning:
    yogi
    wes


    Scummay:

    Chemist
    Sparty
    Naz
    General WUkong

    IDK even know who these people are:

    soneji
    phighter
    michelle
    magoroth
    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#985)
    PLOT TWIST

    ##Vote Phighter
    I'm town leader

    so carry on with your shenanigans and vote Marshmallow
    And I'm the Queen of England. Remind me... what are your reasons to vote me? I don't get it lol
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    Completed ^^ I agree with this. ...Logic did... and it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1011)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan057 (#959)
    My vote on chemist and aivion were just baits tbh. My ony serious scumreaf was Logic. I voted chemist and couldnt come back on for a while hence why it stayed there for so long.

    I didnt like how easily people voted for and styed, on lycoris. hence why I didnt want the lynch.
    I was the exact opposite. I voted lyc (even said so with my vote) because nobody would stay on his wagon. it kept falling apart. you were trying to poke anywhere, everywhere to get a lynch on anyone else.
    ^^ I agree with this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1014)
    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#983)
    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan057 (#449)
    EoD is an hour later than I thought it was.
    This was the votecount when Spartan said this.
    Retrospective Day 1 Votecount as of Post #447

    Post #447 was originally posted at 7:27 PM EST on Thursday, February 28th, 2019.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    4 Lycoris yogsloth, GeneralWu, Logic, AIVION
    3 Logic Marshmallow Marshall, Chemist1422, Garden Gnome
    2 AIVION Distorted, Lycoris
    2 Chemist1422 blinkskater, Wesmaster160
    1 Marshmallow Marshall Phighter
    1 Garden Gnome naz
    1 blinkskater Soneji
    1 Wesmaster160 Spartan057
    2 Not voting Magoroth, Michelle

    View Vote History

    End day at majority is enabled.

    Day 2 ends at 9:00 PM EST on Saturday, March 2nd, 2019. There are 1551578460000 remaining.

    Requested by Logic at 1 days, 2 hours, 48 minutes, 17 seconds remaining.

    Retrospective Day 1 Votecount as of Post #415

    Post #415 was originally posted at 6:29 PM EST on Thursday, February 28th, 2019.

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    3 Chemist1422 blinkskater, Wesmaster160, Spartan057
    3 Logic Marshmallow Marshall, Chemist1422, Garden Gnome
    3 Lycoris yogsloth, GeneralWu, Logic
    2 AIVION Distorted, Lycoris
    1 Marshmallow Marshall Phighter
    1 Garden Gnome naz
    1 blinkskater Soneji
    3 Not voting Michelle, Magoroth, AIVION

    View Vote History

    End day at majority is enabled.

    Day 2 ends at 9:00 PM EST on Saturday, March 2nd, 2019. There are 1551578460000 remaining.

    Requested by Logic at 1 days, 2 hours, 48 minutes, 17 seconds remaining.
    While this was the votecount at Spartan's perceived EOD.
    who kept saying "make things spicy?" day 1. that kinda pings me as a scum tieing up 1 of their scums and making it a town/scum gamble for the lynch.
    ...Logic did... and it $#@!ing fits with what happened at EoD, there were three trains tied up.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#1016)
    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#989)
    PLOT TWISTCEPTION

    ##Vote Soneji
    Soneji is getting modkilled/replaced today if they dont start posting.
    Yea, I wouldn't look at that slot too much rn, unless they miraculously start posting.
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    Completed I guess you're right. But I have no idea of who...

    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#1006)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall (#1005)

    Damn you Moriarty lol
    You must je thinking of Snidely Whiplash. Because Moriarty is a proper English gentleman and clean shaven.
    I guess you're right. But I have no idea of who that Snidely Whiplash is... soo...... MORIARTY.
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    Completed T H I S. Mine eyes have seen the glory... Of...

    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted (#717)
    Quote Originally Posted by naz (#708)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#682)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#7)
    I randed Town Leader again

    ##Vote Marshmallow Marshall
    ##Vote Distorted
    ##Vote Lycoris

    GG xD
    Marshmallow next
    i'm actually ok with a MM lynch today, from the way he tried to move the train off lyco
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall (#355)
    Alarm! Alarm! I didn't even read the thread yet, but you're voting an empty guy (14 posts, and most of these are pretty much useless, yet not really AI in any way) close to EoD... That's meh, already. But the wagonomics are more than meh......

    Logic and Wesmaster, the two main suspects I have and am not the only one to have (Hey @Spartan057, you're on that train too, yet I just replied to your posts about them being scummy, you might want to think about this?) ARE ON THAT CHEMIST TRAIN! And, oh! surprise, Gnome is on it, too, which doesn't look very good for him, at least to me.


    If you have a hard time understanding what I mean here: The Chemist train is far from pure. I believe there are AT LEAST two wolves on it.
    And before bull$#@! starts going on: No, I'm not softing anything, this is all coming from reading the thread & drawing conclusions.
    this was lycs counter train. he was pulling votes off it, which woulda been their best chance at that point. thats my main townread on MM. but i think between spartan and logic (or both) there is a scum.
    T H I S. Mine eyes have seen the glory...

    Of course, it looks like $#@! to use someone else's words to defend myself. But that's literally it. My focus was on who's scum, not on a counterwagon somewhere. And if you want to claim that my focus was there, well then it would be more like me trying to get Lycoris lynched by derailing the counterwagon to her lynch.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#718)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris (#19)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#14)
    ##Vote Chemist1422

    nope
    Why the $#@! are you voting for yourself?
    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris (#23)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#22)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#17)
    is your brain just broken
    yes

    im also tired for no reason
    Rand wolf.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris (#103)
    Chemist is quite scummy.
    Can I be spewed
    Request accepted. Welcome to the town circle. The current members are you and I, but I'm thinking about including Distorted into it. What are your thoughts on this matter?
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    Completed Damn you Moriarty lol

    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#1003)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall (#1001)
    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#985)
    PLOT TWIST

    ##Vote Phighter
    Quote Originally Posted by yogsloth (#989)
    PLOT TWISTCEPTION

    ##Vote Soneji


    I don't get it. Especially the first one. Phighter hasn't been particularly scummy, and Soneji literally doesn't exist.
    a HA

    ex ZACTLY

    (nefariously twirls mustache)
    Damn you Moriarty lol
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    Completed This reads to me as Town Leader hunting, btw. If...

    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Gnome (#706)
    Hi. A wild gnome has arrived!
    Let's catch scum!
    And let's talk about bussing.
    Normally, it's not desirable.
    This game is different because, if all scum are dead, that team gets a vote on who the town leader might be.
    And, since a dead scum team can still win the game, do you suppose that the Lycoris wagon might be scum driven????
    Let's talk about scum motivation to bus each other.
    Ready?
    Go!!!
    This reads to me as Town Leader hunting, btw. If Gnome is scum, she's totally gathering tons of reads on who's town leader, given that she knows who is scum (hypothetically), so she can get clues on the leader's identity.
    Quote Originally Posted by naz (#708)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#682)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phighter (#7)
    I randed Town Leader again

    ##Vote Marshmallow Marshall
    ##Vote Distorted
    ##Vote Lycoris

    GG xD
    Marshmallow next
    i'm actually ok with a MM lynch today, from the way he tried to move the train off lyco
    That never happened, though... QUOTES! EVIDENCE REQUESTED, @naz. Or else.... HANG 'EM HIGH!!!
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    Completed Yea, Lycoris basically cleared Chemist. "Why...

    Quote Originally Posted by Logic (#997)
    An ISO of Lycoris has me thinking the following:

    Lycoris spewed Yog Town in P#87

    Also think that Lycoris spewed Chemist town in... pretty much all of his posts. (It's a 13 post ISO, you guys can look it up!)

    Soft defense of Distorted in P#209 while questioning Yogsloth bolsters the town!Yog theory. Also, a slight lowering of townstock for Distorted.

    I can't clear nor rule out Lycoris/Gnome in P#324. I feel like this may be more important later, but for now, I'm just going to put a pin in it.

    Lyco talks to Spartan in P#328, but I think that's NAI for Spartan.

    P#338 doesn't look rehearsed to me, so slightly edge Gnome's townstock up for this. Could be NAI though.
    Yea, Lycoris basically cleared Chemist.

    "Why do you think Yog is towny?" Does that really clear Yog, though? I have doubts on that one. I think that it's over-reading into Lyco's posts, and idem for Gnome.
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