Type: Posts; User: El-ahrairah
Player list looks cool so far, I'm /in
And to whoever asked in Discord who I was planning on killing tonight (I saw the question briefly before logging off this morning) - I wasn't. As far as I was concerned I was dying today, so if by some chance I survived I would've just crossed that bridge when I came to it.
GG town, it was fun playing against you! NGL there was a point or two where I was so tired that I considered conceding because I knew I just didn't have the time or energy to keep posting, but I decided you all deserved a more honourable win than a concession ^__^
I shall now take a well deserved break from forum mafia, and hope to play with you all again when I return refreshed.
Thanks for keeping me company, Percy and Vibby. We'll get em next time
Okay, so my dog walk and dinner turned into dog walk, dinner, a bottle of rosé wine and TV. But it was as I was rushing my dogs to get back that I realised something; for the past few games, I've felt pressured into carrying town. Probably because I had to carry town a couple of times. But recently I've been feeling the overwhelming urge to be single-handedly responsible for solving the game and SAVING US ALL.
Which is actually kinda counter-productive, because this makes me feel isolated and overwhelmingly pressured. And yet, my good friend moth game me some sound advice on D1 that I promptly ignored because what else does somebody with an overwhelming desire to be right coupled with an inferior hero complex do?
I can't solve this game on my own. I'm too exhausted. So, here's my best solve:
WWS is 99% town. He literally cannot play like this as scum. The level of interaction and involvement, even though he's not been super pushy about his reads, is something that IME he's not capable of maintaining when he's a wolf. Also when he's a wolf he gives super-hedgy read-lists in an attempt to appear productive. He's not done that this game. So if he survives tonight, don't lynch him tomorrow because he is your towncore.
Saint is probs town. His investigation of me on D1 felt pure. I don't see any reason for a wolf to back off his read of me or re-evaluate. Re-evaluation is a townie trait. Wolves generally need A Plan and they need to stick to The Plan. No known wolves were pushing me on D1, and I think I would've been a good place to push for a wolf new to MU because Percy and Jal would've known better and be like "yeahno, not gonna push El, totally not worth the hassle" and I imagine they would encourage him to do it. But he didn't.
Gikkle is meh. I really hope he doesn't quote all of WWS' posts because -__- But he was not only on a wolf wagon, he was also a serious counter to a wolf wagon. Probably town, but if so, he really needs to step up tomorrow.
For me it comes down to Tater or insomnia. I can see a buuuuunch of reasons why Tater could be a wolf, from moth's hedgy reads on Jal and Percy and then directing wagons away from them, to her vote on Percy on D2. Anybody who doesn't acknowledge that her vote could even be a W/W thing is an ABSOLUTE TURNIP. But good news, you're only the same ABSOLUTE TURNIP I was when I saw a wolf day-vig his packmate and cruise to victory. And after you've been burned by that once you will cease to become ABSOLUTE TURNIPS and evolve into LEVEL 5 PARSNIPS.
On the other hand, insomnia has done some DAF $#@! that you really need to look at tomorrow. A run-down:
1) opportunistic pushes
2) encouraging other players to end days early (this is ALWAYS a scum thing. If you don't believe me, go look up the Mad 17 champs practice game that ended a few days ago and ISO a player called icmnfrsh)
3) setting up either/or dichotomies - it's "either" El "or" WWS gives him carte blanche to mislynch whichever of us isn't lynched today
4) LYING - he claimed that this is "his environment" and that he's skilled at analysing posts and log, yet said "it's either El or WWS" after admitting that he "didn't care enough about the game to read either of them" - and only quoting some of my posts out of context after WWS pushed him on whether he'd actually ISO'd any of us, which leads back to:
5) opportunistic pushes
This is not the play of a person who wants to solve. This is the play of a person who wants to line up their little ducks in a nice neat row, using Tater's suspicions to fuel yet another mislynch and probably NK'ing Saint—the least pliable player—tonight so that he can lead a further mislynch on WWS tomorrow because, oh dear, El flipped town, who could've guessed it? *feigned shock horror gasp*
@Saint @WaywardSon @Angry Potato @Gikkle
That's my best solve. Please don't lose the game.
And now, bed time. Adieu.
A wolf day-vigging their own packmate.
And yet it still happened!
Discounting something as a POTENTIAL just because it's UNLIKELY is Level 0 play.
I already gave my scumreads to Saint, they haven't really changed except you're now on a level with Tater because I think there's a chance you could be using her for your own agenda.
Ask me to tell you my PROGRESSION! story one time.
Also, like I've said before, WWS is my strongest TR. I try to not get in the habit of lynching my towns
Now I really need to walk the dogs and have dinner ,bbl
* I haven't had ffs
Insomnia you don't seem to have conviction in any of your reads. I mean, I have had a lot of pushes but I've fully believed in the reads I had. You just seem to be oppotunisrically jumping between suspects and keeping players from coordinating.
If you're the last scum then I apologise to tater. Just doing my job.
And now I'm at the beer shop, will BBL
Or maybe it's just insomnia using Tater to push a pants on head either/or agenda between me and WWS
Or maybe you don't actually know what thunderdomemeams. That might also explain it.
Why do I feel like Saint is the only player here who acknowledges wolves bussing their pack mates to go deepwolf is actually a thing?
Also saying wolf!Tater voting wolf!Percy was not optimal because it would have left thebroleblocler alive to stop Alice killing vibby is not a valid argument because that would simply the wolves KNEW she was going to target vibby and purposely played against their wincon. Alice's own posts suggested she would be more likely to vig unicorn.
Hey @WaywardSon were you in that game where wolf-Dayvig Aldo shot HIS OWN PACKMATE (wolfy) to get him town cleared then basically won the game because nobody thought a wolf would kill his own packmate?
I was guilty of Level 0 reads once, I'm not going to be guilty of it again. Wagonomics are the 1 thing the scum can exploit because town are uninformed.
In my eyes Gikkle is more clear than Tater
Or WWS for that matter
So uh.... what's YOUR reason for being off wagon, insomnia?
Okay then I'm gonna do supermarket dog walking, food and possibly beer bbq
Is anyone even online?
You know,the one with the big red banner?
In case it wasn't obvious from my atrocious spelling I am back on my phone.
So insomnia, I've noticed that you sometimes I a belittling attitude to people who disagree with you.
Would you say that is something you do more as scum or town, or equally regardless of alignment.
I had ehar I felt were strong cases on Alice and unicorn but I can't pull cases out of my ass, and even if I could i wouldn't do it just to satisfy how you THINK i should be playing. I kinda get the feeling that all your suspicion comes from the fact that my play style is not like yours. Not every player likes to aggressively beat down their suspects, and the fee times I've gotten into deathtunnels I've always regretted it later. If you can't understand my play then I feel like that says more about you than it does about me.
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the phone-posters???
In other news, I gotta go train some staff now. I'm only a third of the way through my re-read but I'll try to find some time post dog-walk to finish up and see if I can figure out whether Tater is deepwolf or whether insomnia is wolf trying to pocket Tater.
This is going to be a FUN DAY
My joke on insomia was originally lolvote but Imma keep it here until he comes back and answers my damn question.
Here is a game in which I was town. I was burned-out, similar to how I am now. I fluff-posted the whole of D1. And a lot of D2. And I was so burned-out that eventually I had to sub out: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...ht-Game-Rerand
Here is a game in which I was scum. It was 12/12 phases, and I struggled to keep up. Eventually I just gave up and did nothing but fluff-post until I was lynched: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...l-s-Large-Game
I say this to countless players in every single game I play: please please please please PLEASE stop trying to read me by meta.
It is virtually impossible.
As scum, I've been townread, because silly townies say "El wouldn't do this as a wolf". But I would.
As town, I've been scumread, because silly townies say "El wouldn't do this as town." But I would.
Read me in the game I'm playing. Not how you THINK I "should" be acting.
If you're scum, feel free to ignore this and do whatever you do.
Tater, the very definition of deep-wolfing is to put yourself so far beyond questioning or reproach that you are instantly townread and immediately become an extremely low priority for investigative roles.
2 days ago you lynched a wolf PR.
Please tell me how that is at odds with the idea of dee-wolfing.
I know you said it's not your style but any player who is aware enough of their own meta to be able to give it a qualitative description is clever enough to subvert that meta.
Do you understand why I can't just say "okay, I fully trust you, then" when you say "I wouldn't be a deep wolf because XYZ"?
An example of mech cleared is an Alignment Cop green result in a game which is known to have no Godfather in it.
Please tell me why you are mech-clearing Gikkle
I saw the "Vanilla Town" and didn't open the spoiler. So, I thought Dragomir had fake-claimed and that scum had bought that claim, and we still had an un-revealed Investigator.
My reasoning on Gikkle having a greater chance of being town was based on the following idea:
- Dragomir fake-claimed
- His claim must've been very realistic
- That means Gikkle didn't kill anyone on N2
- If Gikkle was a wolf and had killed Alice on N2, he would know Drago's claim was fake and Drago would not have died
Now that I actually open the spoiler and see that Drago WAS the homicide detective, I realise that:
1) I am an idiot
2) I should always open spoilers
3) My line of reasoning above is actually bollocks so please ignore it
I uh... may have misunderstood something.
I'll get back to you shortly.
WWS, what's your thoughts on my thoughts about Gikkle that I posted for Saint further up the page? ^