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    Hey everyone After coming home exhausted from a...

    Hey everyone
    After coming home exhausted from a 13 hour workday I just had to vent about life
    I only vented to a pretty small discord and only a handful of people responded and interacted with me
    But I think it really did help

    Its important to talk about your problems and communicate with others to stay healthy, especially when part of your struggles might be involving them. Better to air your grievances when they first come up and resolve them than let them fester and pile up. Even if you dont like talking (I sure dont like being the center of attention or the town leader) just communicate. Its important

    That's all thanks
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    Rejected I like having reacts even though I don't use them...

    I like having reacts even though I don't use them in games

    the real problem with this is makaze has some bizzare personal issue with that one phenomenon where liked content garners more likes than unliked content and refuses to enable them
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    Completed gg guys subbed out because I forgot I signed up...

    gg guys
    subbed out because I forgot I signed up for a game and started a brand new job with funky hours
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    Sticky: Well, I like not being pingable for one thing, if...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#344)
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaleb (#343)
    Quote Originally Posted by [NSM] Mikey (#337)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Sun Fan (#334)
    Hi, I'm here to carry on the curse of Tim Horton's for Zeldadungeon.net
    {NSM} Mikey will be the alt
    Confirming

    can I get my name changed to [ZD] Mikey
    Could you just remove the brackets in general so it's easier to ping you?
    Imagine not typing out the mention bbcode by hand
    Well, I like not being pingable for one thing, if I'm not reading every post in the game already then I dont care what you have to say
    It's much more important for me to have my clan tag

    BBCode wont ping me either it just turns my name blue
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    Sticky: Confirming can I get my name changed to [ZD]...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sun Fan (#334)
    Hi, I'm here to carry on the curse of Tim Horton's for Zeldadungeon.net
    {NSM} Mikey will be the alt
    Confirming

    can I get my name changed to [ZD] Mikey
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    People like to talk about mental illness but...

    People like to talk about mental illness but rarely talk about mental health
  7. Postgame#1997

    Thread: Pokemon Black/White Light Game

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    Completed it makes it too easy to cross people off the list...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boquise (#1996)
    yeh the cop cover athena did was standard play and i dont see it as something town shouldnt do. Town should always provide cop cover. Aside from SHC, it gives town easy access to the real cop's targets if scum manages a lucky hit before the cop has outed themselves.
    it makes it too easy to cross people off the list with the jailkeeper
    I only wish athena had chosen literally anybody else to fakepeek because then we could have kept them alive


    just finished reading deadchat, glad I'm not the only one who felt like illario/alexa/gastly were powerwolfing through lhf village
  8. Postgame#1985

    Thread: Pokemon Black/White Light Game

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    Completed we jailed athena n1 and tried to kill them n2,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gastrodon (#1983)
    Mikey was mechanically outed fmpov. The only way the wolves don't jail Athena is if they already know she's lying.
    we jailed athena n1 and tried to kill them n2, which we couldn't do if we jailed them

    close though
  9. Postgame#1980

    Thread: Pokemon Black/White Light Game

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    Completed I think it was rude of you to not town read me :P

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa (#1976)
    nahhh no worries. Tho I do think it was rude of Mikey to tell me I was so stupid I should quit forum mafia so I’m a bit bitter :P
    I think it was rude of you to not town read me :P
  10. Postgame#1978

    Thread: Pokemon Black/White Light Game

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    Completed ? I always win

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1974)
    Can anyone tell me what I did wrong?

    Also first time Mikey beat me as mafia I think, wp!

    Of course wp the other two as well!

    I think I got a better understanding of vanity's playstyle, finally!
    ?
    I always win
  11. Postgame#1968

    Thread: Pokemon Black/White Light Game

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    Completed honestly, I'm really glad we didn't have to go...

    honestly, I'm really glad we didn't have to go through the entire phase
    I'm sure illario feels the same way
    it was just gonna be a lot of yelling and posturing and not a lot of margin for error on our part, I think
  12. Postgame#1965

    Thread: Pokemon Black/White Light Game

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    Completed :angery:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ampharos (#1962)
    wisdom i probably only read like 20% of the thread but lemme tell ya, subbing in and seeing a wallpost calling out our entire goddamn team 3 posts above mine was demoralizing to say the least

    regardless of the result you played an excellent game imo

    also shoutout to van/mikey for a rly strong powerwolf game, couldn't have survived that situation if y'all weren't so on the ball
    :angery:
  13. Postgame#1959

    Thread: Pokemon Black/White Light Game

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    Completed so it was gastly/sam/alexa right? Otherwise...

    so it was gastly/sam/alexa right? Otherwise gastly/sam wouldn't have outed to vote
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    Completed ok that's enough Athena Cykes

    ok that's enough
    ##Vote Athena Cykes
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    Completed alexa/gastly/sam?

    alexa/gastly/sam?
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    Completed ?????????????????????????

    Quote Originally Posted by Gastly (#1943)
    ##Vote Athena Cykes

    gg’s
    ?????????????????????????
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    Completed uhhh alright guess we're lynching illario first,...

    Quote Originally Posted by illario (#1940)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1939)
    Quote Originally Posted by [NSM] Mikey (#1937)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1936)
    I have pretty much given up.

    I had a fun time in that last End of Day, but it all came crashing down with the miselimination. I was so mad, I should have voted [NSM] Mikey but there were two seconds left and I did not know how many votes were on me.

    So, my night has been quite rough. Private things have also happened and I am not in a great place right now.

    I can have been right in my earlier world. The team could still be [NSM] Mikey, Gastly and sam. But it could also be illario, alexa and one of sam/[NSM] Mikey. That's the only two constellations I can see but I can't put in any more effort, I'm sorry.

    Reason why I am tinfoiling illario + alexa is that illario has been wolfy all game and alexa has refused to admit that. And if both alexa and [NSM] Mikey are mafia together that would explain why alexa said "peek me" so much - She would have known I was not the real cop and taunted me. But sam could also be part of that trio since they all seem to know each other since before but neither of them has acknowledged that.

    But I do not know. I will not pretend like I have a clue.

    Everyone has to vote with Schweppes today. It's Kill Mafia Or Lose, so all villagers has to go together, and we all know Schweppes is a villager so we all have to follow him. Sorry about the pressure @Schweppes but that is how it is.

    If we manage to find one mafia today, it might be possible to work the rest out. I'll probably get back on my feet and be able to be of help again. But if we lose, that's okay. Mafia has done a good job.
    ????????????
    they've been obvious all game and getting away with it I don't know why, they have not done a good job
    why are you defaulting everything to schweppes too
    they're green checked and that's it
    Because as soon as me and any other villager votes differently than Schweppes, mafia can just auto win.
    Which mean everyone has to vote whatever Schweppes votes.
    All villagers has to vote for the same person.
    And Schweppes is the only one we know for sure is a villager.
    Meaning we all have to vote whatever he votes.
    yeah fk that, this shoulda been the lynch yesterday or richard. theres literally no WAY athena as villager, on d1, sees herself almost get voted out thanks to mikey and thinks its a good idea to claim cop with an inno on him the next day and take him out of lynch contention, mikey if ur town and u believe athena is town for a second then ur tragic

    ##Vote Athena Cykes
    uhhh
    alright guess we're lynching illario first, THEN alexa >.>
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    Completed honestly thinking about eod it makes so much more...

    honestly thinking about eod it makes so much more sense for alexa to go for coffee cup first because me flipping town makes them look way worse than coffee cup flipping town would
    They're 100% going for me today
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    Completed ???????????? they've been obvious all game and...

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1936)
    I have pretty much given up.

    I had a fun time in that last End of Day, but it all came crashing down with the miselimination. I was so mad, I should have voted [NSM] Mikey but there were two seconds left and I did not know how many votes were on me.

    So, my night has been quite rough. Private things have also happened and I am not in a great place right now.

    I can have been right in my earlier world. The team could still be [NSM] Mikey, Gastly and sam. But it could also be illario, alexa and one of sam/[NSM] Mikey. That's the only two constellations I can see but I can't put in any more effort, I'm sorry.

    Reason why I am tinfoiling illario + alexa is that illario has been wolfy all game and alexa has refused to admit that. And if both alexa and [NSM] Mikey are mafia together that would explain why alexa said "peek me" so much - She would have known I was not the real cop and taunted me. But sam could also be part of that trio since they all seem to know each other since before but neither of them has acknowledged that.

    But I do not know. I will not pretend like I have a clue.

    Everyone has to vote with Schweppes today. It's Kill Mafia Or Lose, so all villagers has to go together, and we all know Schweppes is a villager so we all have to follow him. Sorry about the pressure @Schweppes but that is how it is.

    If we manage to find one mafia today, it might be possible to work the rest out. I'll probably get back on my feet and be able to be of help again. But if we lose, that's okay. Mafia has done a good job.
    ????????????
    they've been obvious all game and getting away with it I don't know why, they have not done a good job
    why are you defaulting everything to schweppes too
    they're green checked and that's it
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    Completed I wont bother self pres vanity all the way

    I wont bother self pres vanity all the way
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    Completed If coffee cup is wolf it's still with alexa...

    If coffee cup is wolf it's still with alexa please kill Alexa first
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    Completed Alexa

    Quote Originally Posted by Schweppes (#1897)
    Directions pls???
    Alexa
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    Completed Iv ee's already explained why we shouldn't...

    Iv ee's already explained why we shouldn't provide cover and still getting ignored
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    Completed Why is nobody listening to me I dont even care...

    Why is nobody listening to me
    I dont even care wolves can win it's not my fault
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    Completed I think athena has pretty clearly demonstrated...

    I think athena has pretty clearly demonstrated that they knew sandile was the cop, so why not just kill sandile at that point instead of having to deal with all this crap
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    Completed Lol whatever GL athena

    Lol whatever
    GL athena
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    Completed I'm literally shc

    I'm literally shc
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    Completed there are a ton of reasons I'm not a wolf

    there are a ton of reasons I'm not a wolf
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    Completed you mean to say I'm playing differently than the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gastly (#1823)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1822)
    Quote Originally Posted by Gastly (#1818)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1816)
    I told you because there is no way wolf team didn't figure this out already anyway.
    i'm not a wolf wisdom. if i was i would be voting you and grabbing a lawn chair.

    but yes i did know you were wisdom.
    But why didn't you address the fact that you have treated Mikey vastly different from last game if you weren't w/w??
    it's a different game and mikey is playing differently. he fooled me in pokemon crystal light exactly because of his wim and lack of tmi in his posts. here he's way less invested so obviously my read is going to differ.
    you mean to say
    I'm playing differently than the game I was a wolf
    and yet you're still pushing that I'm a wolf
    by necessity

    lol
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    Completed It makes sense I wanted to kill you day 1

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1816)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1809)
    Dvc shaking their heads so bad

    Wisdom obv!towning and no one cares

    JUST LIKE THE LAST BLOODY GAME

    Except this time I don't have a claim to save me.
    I told you because there is no way wolf team didn't figure this out already anyway.
    It makes sense I wanted to kill you day 1
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    Completed alexa

    ##Vote alexa
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    Completed you don't say

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1804)
    I gotta be completely honest

    alexa and illario and coffee cup all entering thread voting me makes me unsure if my wall is maybe wrong

    don't pay to much attention to it if I die now
    you don't say
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    Completed it was too much for me yet I guess nobody else...

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1782)
    Quote Originally Posted by [NSM] Mikey (#1760)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1755)
    Imagine if Mikey is town and Sandile would have kept quiet, I would have been the n3 nk 10/10 times!

    THAT WAS MY PLAN
    except you slipped not cop today
    I tried to save it though
    it was too much for me

    yet I guess nobody else noticed it so maybe you would have been fine just keeping up the "I was jailkept" angle
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    Completed yeah I see it

    Quote Originally Posted by sam (#1759)
    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Cup (#1754)
    Athena, who’d you guys really target the night sceptorous died? I’m so curious tbh..
    This is such a "wolf trying to sell they've caught their scumread" post.
    yeah I see it
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    Completed except you slipped not cop today

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1755)
    Imagine if Mikey is town and Sandile would have kept quiet, I would have been the n3 nk 10/10 times!

    THAT WAS MY PLAN
    except you slipped not cop today
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    Completed well first of all cop cover is a terrible...

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1737)
    Why can't you guys accept that cop cover is a common thing that happens here? Like, I have been giving cop cover for every cop game for more than a year and this has never happened to me.

    If I was faking cop I would have faked a red check to either force a misyeet or make the real cop claim.

    ALL I WAS DOING WAS COP COVER

    HOW CAN YOU LITTERALY JUST IGNORE ALL THE EFFORT I'VE PUT INTO THIS DAY
    well first of all cop cover is a terrible terrible thing to do in this setup because of the jailkeeper
    second it makes sense for you to claim cop that day because you were wagoned the previous day and presumably would have claimed there

    thinking athena is a wolf is just refusal to apply occam's razor, wolves are really stretching themselves out for this one
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    Completed scum team is LITERALLY outing right now

    scum team is LITERALLY outing right now
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    Completed it's so, so painfully obvious you don't actually...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gastly (#1704)
    sandile, you brought up a vc that was only barely into d1. i think around that time wolves usually do whatever because at that point it's just rvs, and no one is in risk of dying. imo, that's the point where distancing and stuff is actually the most likely to occur, because it's not as though the villagers are gonna be any wiser around that time. sure, later in the game we'll have more info to judge those votes off of, but that line of thinking is nebulous. i think the votes on bluekang were just that he acted performative, and that can be wolf bait definitely. i look at the wagon though and the only person i think is a wolf there is mikey. sam could be as well but i don't feel good about sam flipping wolf at all.

    there is one thing that's been bothering me for a while, and that's athena's vote on coffee cup d1. she parked her vote on coffee cup waaaaay before eod and didn't vote. plus coffee cup was in danger of dying during that eod. i really don't associate those with partner votes typically, especially when what's optimal is if you're not going to be around for eod, you just park on a villager that's likely to go over. sure, coffee cup wasn't really posting well, so a bus isn't out of the question. that's the only thing i can remotely says looks dissociative wrt athena/coffee cup w/w.

    the d1 athena wagon looks mostly village motivated to me outside of mikey. if there is a wolf within illario/alexa, it absolutely is alexa but i'm not evaluating that today whatsoever. so to me there's 3 villagers and a wolf there, and i was signaling a v read on athena as well. it's a pretty nebulous situation and it doesn't seem like wolves were trying to save athena there, which seems weird to rely on me and you sandile when we're villagers. the votes also end up being very far apart though, and this wagon just looks hard to solve to me. alexa/athena/illario at minimum is not a team based on this vote, but we pretty much already knew that.

    it should be clear that i'm a villager. i didn't think hornet was a wolf, i wavered on my claws read and only voted him due to my read on athena. it makes me feel bad, but i can't reverse that now. athena/mikey/coffee cup in my view is not outside of the realm of possibility. any team with athena/sam might be possible only because of how she's approaching the slot and veered onto voting me after the wallpost. that could easily be calculated. even then though it seems like a wolf is voting on sam still.

    i don't know how i feel about killing coffee cup. i have a feeling they might be hard dissociated with athena after all, and their posts still mostly ring as genuine to me. the way they approached schweppes' slot is almost plinko-boardy to the point where a wolf would probably want to look more natural. it's tough for me though. like it seems coffee cup should be a wolf fmpov, but i have my doubts.

    anyways i have something fun for my last post before the cap lifts.
    it's so, so painfully obvious you don't actually believe I'm a wolf
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    Completed lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1698)

    P#1694 Bussing/distancing d1 is well within [NSM] Mikey's mafia meta.
    lol
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    Completed the former

    Quote Originally Posted by sam (#1681)
    Quote Originally Posted by [NSM] Mikey (#1678)
    Quote Originally Posted by sam (#1677)
    I was going to save my posts for after I finished reading, but the thread is a fair bit denser than I had anticipated. It may take me a bit to have any useful thoughts.

    If anyone has cliffs in the meantime, they would be much appreciated.
    sandile is cop, schweppes is a peek
    athena fake claimed cop with me as a peek
    99% chance athena was the nightkill last night and was saved
    alexa and gastly are pushing a world where gastrodon was the nightkill target by necessity
    that's all that really matters
    Thanks. I'm not really sure what you mean by the bolded here - are you suggesting alexa/gastly are wolves and are pushing that narrative out of necessity borne of perspective, or are you saying that alexa/gastly's theory, agnostic of their alignment, is that gastrodon HAD to be the nk target?
    the former
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    Completed alexa+me isn't viable what

    alexa+me isn't viable what
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    Completed sandile is cop, schweppes is a peek athena fake...

    Quote Originally Posted by sam (#1677)
    I was going to save my posts for after I finished reading, but the thread is a fair bit denser than I had anticipated. It may take me a bit to have any useful thoughts.

    If anyone has cliffs in the meantime, they would be much appreciated.
    sandile is cop, schweppes is a peek
    athena fake claimed cop with me as a peek
    99% chance athena was the nightkill last night and was saved
    alexa and gastly are pushing a world where gastrodon was the nightkill target by necessity
    that's all that really matters
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    Completed zzzz fine gastly then Gastly

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1674)
    If alexa is mafia and faked those emotional outbursts, some of which felt very demeaning, I will cry. I trust that she is not really such a heartless player. I will not vote her today.
    zzzz
    fine
    gastly then
    ##Vote Gastly
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    Completed honestly rich makes negative sense none of...

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1672)
    Quote Originally Posted by [NSM] Mikey (#1670)
    okay okay I lost my cool earlier but in my defense you all need to seriously think for a minute

    athena, nobody responds to wallposts; nobody cares
    just know that half of your premises are untrue and that's why your conclusions are wrong

    did you or did you not out yourself as not the cop this morning?
    You did
    I picked up on it, but being the good townie I am I didn't want to challenge it
    I also still believe that you were the nightkill target. I think anyone claiming otherwise is scum trying to push a false narrative
    Like, I physically can't express how revolted I am by some of the posts certain people made I just lost my mind reading them, you know? When someone is so wrong that you can't even begin to start telling them where they're wrong
    that's how wrong some people are being

    To your credit you're at least trying to solve and have some flip flopping/inconsistency going on (which is TOWNY hint hint), I think if you were a wolf you'd be trying to get me to go after rich yeah. And mafia targeting anyone but you last night is pretty unthinkable

    Surely you can see how much bull alexa is spewing out? They immediately jumped on your tangent of me being unconvinced of your cop claim (well, I knew it was fake at that point is why, how many times do I have to repeat myself), and yet it's completely baseless. Why is that not suspicious to you?
    Do not worry, I know you hate wallposts and I did not write it for you

    alexa? Do you really not care about whether you live or die today? No matter of her alignment, it should be obvious that she is not going to die today. So what about your other mafia reads, illario and Gastly? You said Gastly is mafia too, why do you not push them instead? You know there is a better chance of getting them eliminated today, considering some of your village reads are reading them as mafia. And you played against them as mafia in the other Pokémon game, so it should really be obvious to you that Gastly is not nearly playing in the same way.

    And why do you not care about talking about your counter wagon? Convince me why CRichard564 is a villager and why I should vote Gastly instead and I might listen to you

    I am pretty sure that you are aware of pushing alexa who no one else cares about will not ensure your survival, so I simply believe you do not care about whether you or CRichard dies.
    honestly
    rich makes negative sense
    none of their posts are coherent at all and they seem to have no understanding of what's actually happening in game
    maybe they're a wolf, but alexa/gastly/illario just has a lot more synergy
    it's hard for me to take one of those three out to throw rich in there especially with how adjacent to the thread they've been

    why shouldn't alexa die today? They deserve to die imo. We can kill gastly first, but alexa triggered me more
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    Completed for clarity, this is the full context of me...

    Quote Originally Posted by [NSM] Mikey (#1268)
    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1262)
    Wait, does that mean that no night kill would have happened if the bodyguard didn't protect me?
    hold on, what?
    Quote Originally Posted by [NSM] Mikey (#1276)
    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Cup (#1264)
    These are the posts that to me clearly indicate a fake peek on alexa = town
    the problem with this is that the cop did not get a n0 peek in this setup and if I'm not wrong these posts are from day 1
    Quote Originally Posted by [NSM] Mikey (#1283)
    hey athena where did you go
    Quote Originally Posted by [NSM] Mikey (#1287)
    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Cup (#1285)
    OMG I’m like crying laughing, you guys I did sooo muchhh worrkk
    yeah I'm the only potential SHC in the game lol
    for clarity, this is the full context of me realizing athena wasn't the cop
    try to tell me it's a perspective slip
    such bullcrap misrepresentation mislynch pushing hot dog water nonsense
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    Completed okay okay I lost my cool earlier but in my...

    okay okay I lost my cool earlier but in my defense you all need to seriously think for a minute

    athena, nobody responds to wallposts; nobody cares
    just know that half of your premises are untrue and that's why your conclusions are wrong

    did you or did you not out yourself as not the cop this morning?
    You did
    I picked up on it, but being the good townie I am I didn't want to challenge it
    I also still believe that you were the nightkill target. I think anyone claiming otherwise is scum trying to push a false narrative
    Like, I physically can't express how revolted I am by some of the posts certain people made I just lost my mind reading them, you know? When someone is so wrong that you can't even begin to start telling them where they're wrong
    that's how wrong some people are being

    To your credit you're at least trying to solve and have some flip flopping/inconsistency going on (which is TOWNY hint hint), I think if you were a wolf you'd be trying to get me to go after rich yeah. And mafia targeting anyone but you last night is pretty unthinkable

    Surely you can see how much bull alexa is spewing out? They immediately jumped on your tangent of me being unconvinced of your cop claim (well, I knew it was fake at that point is why, how many times do I have to repeat myself), and yet it's completely baseless. Why is that not suspicious to you?
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    Completed The rustle of a woman’s dress was heard in the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Athena Cykes (#1667)
    1400+ words incoming. Read it when you have the time because this is all relevant and I am going to tilt if someone is voting me and ignoring this.

    Okay, if I'm really 100% correct about the team being [Gastly, [NSM] Mikey, CRichard564], that means:

    - They have had 10 hours of almost uninterrupted thread time with only themselves (more hours when this post is finished I guess)
    - They have to either get me+Coffee Cup misyeeted, or they have to get at least one of illario and alexa misyeeted, to win.

    I am going to divide this post into three parts of analysis, one being the 10 hour "only mafia in thread" time, and one being a meta analysis, and one being what the players have done so far this game. There are so many things here that sticks out and I just hope I manage to explain them all before my brain fries.

    The 10 hour thread time.

    Let us start with post P#1609.

    I see no reason for why Gastly put in "Mikey/alexa not w/w". At this point, Mikey has vaguely called alexa possibly powerwolfing mafia but he has never really pushed it, and in the end he said "maybe I am wrong and alexa is town after all". As soon as the cop claim happens, alexa reacts in P#1512 with "Mikey is probably town". Not until alexa's last posts did she start pushing Mikey, and at that point he was already getting pushed. Could very well be both mafia at this point and no reason to nakedly put in the two as not aligned. (Of course, alexa is obviously town, but that is another story)

    Actually, let me stop post nitpicking now and just talk about the big elephant in the room.

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    During this 10 hour time, not once are they pushing or mentioning reads on each other.

    CRichard564 does not once actually try to read [NSM] Mikey. Everyone who was in thread when the claim happened, immediately realised "What does this mean for [NSM] Mikey?" and started theorising one way or another. CRichard564, however, simply does not care. He interacts with [NSM] Mikey only to push his own agenda, not to actually try to solve [NSM] Mikey. Despite - The - Fact - [NSM] Mikey - Is - The - Counterwagon.

    Really, really weird.

    He does not even mention Gastly either. The only thing that happens is that Gastly tells CRichard564 to vote for me, and he follows up by doing just that. Keep in mind that the only reason CRichard564 has mentioned for village reading Gastly is because "they had similar thoughts about illario", and illario is village because he "had similar thoughts about me". These are all level 0 reads and not once does CRichard564 re-evaluate this, despite everything that happened today. (CRichard564 also never adressed me bringing this up earlier either, he just says it is bad faith that I called him frozen)

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    Moving on to [NSM] Mikey.

    [NSM] Mikey does the same thing, where he does not mention any kind of reads on CRichard564 despite his alignment being the most relevant one. Instead he just interacts casually with him. Note that not once during the game has [NSM] Mikey shared a read on CRichard564.

    [NSM] Mikey and CRichard564 are both in a position where they are 3-3 with another player. Most players are post capped, meaning they will likely be top wagons at least until one hour before the day ends. So why are they not caring about solving each other, like, at all?

    Instead CRichard564 choses to push me, and [NSM] Mikey choses to defend me (probably to make us seem like an aligned mafia) and to completely vanity push alexa.

    So how does [NSM] Mikey treat Gastly? Well, he has Gastly in his mafia reads. Outside of that he doesn't mention them.

    (Side note - [NSM] Mikey never addresses why he went from flash wagoning me the first day and now basically clears me as a villager)

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    Lastly, what about Gastly, the one I would call the most experienced of the three (and likely the one in charge in mafia chat if I am right about the team).

    Let us start with calling out P#1588 properly. I asked Gastly about their read on CRichard564. They use a lot of words that do not say anything. It is basically 100+ words of "He could be mafia but they could also be a villager" with zero explanations of what he has said or done during the game. To me, it was obvious that Gastly had not paid any attention to CRichard564 at this point. Gastly followed up by leaving the thread.

    They come back a couple of hours later, STILL not addressing any reads or reasoning about CRichard564 and instead focus on why I am a mafia. This is power mafia play 101, direct attention and push forward, ignore inconsistencies. Gastly is too much of a skilled played to completely ignore CRichard564 when he is the leading wagon.

    Then, in P#1604, Gastly says "this is why I think CRichard564 is a villager" despite never mentioning that before. This is simply only to emphasize Schweppes, who is a confirmed town in a tunnel. They continue by saying CRichard564 is a villager because "wolves are voting him" without ever addressing this further. What wolf and why wouldn't they bus? It is not like Gastly to skip these crucial lines of reading the game.

    They think CRichard564 is a village and [NSM] Mikey is mafia, yet they never try to convince anyone to move from CRichard564 to [NSM] Mikey. They do not even push [NSM] Mikey very hard. If Gastly was truly a villager at this point, they would care to make sure people voted for someone they were convinced was mafia instead of someone they were convinced were villager.

    Instead - Gastly's - Main - Focus - Is - Calling - Me - Mafia.

    This does not make any sense.

    TLDR: All of their focus is on pushing people who are not them. Please take some time to read the above thoroughly.

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    ISO reading, thoughts about the teams interactions with each other.

    I'm just going to be repeating what I have said earlier:

    - CRichard564 has called Gastly villager for level 0 reasons and not once re-evaluated, despite Gastly being one of the strongest players in this game. He also did the weird thing towards [NSM] Mikey that I mentioned earlier in P#1430, just before the cop claim happened. In their alone time in thread, CRichard564 does not attempt to solve either of them.

    - Gastly has never addressed any proper reads about CRichard564. When I called them out, they wrote a long post that neither had any argument or reads. Then, they went from "CRichard is in my tentative PoE" to "CRichard is likely villager because wolves are voting him" without explaining any further. It is quite the easy cop-out. Gastly also does not case [NSM] Mikey, despite a position where they should push their fellow villagers to vote for [NSM] Mikey instead of CRichard564 who is their village read.

    - [NSM] Mikey does not push either of them properly. He never mentions any kind of read on CRichard564. He says that Gastly could be powerwolfing, then changes his mind and says they could just be a villager, then puts them back as a mafia read without any kind of explanation or argument on them.

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    A relevant meta detail.

    I just want to bring everyone's attention to the aforementioned other Pokémon Light game.

    https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/27604

    Gastly was a villager here. [NSM] Mikey was mafia.

    Gastly puts a lot reading, argumenting, re-evaluating [NSM] Mikey. They have him as a villager most of the time, but despite that they keep thinking about him and bringing him up. Gastly's treatment of [NSM] Mikey here is like night and day compared to that game and I wish everyone to read through Gastly's ISO there so you can see what I mean. It should be obvious that Gastly simply does not care about solving [NSM] Mikey in this game.

    Summary: They are all mafia. They try to get [NSM] Mikey killed today so they can pin me as a possible mafia partner to him. None of them are trying to find a team of mafia, they are choosing one target and go all in trying to get them killed (CRichard564 and Gastly have me as their target, [NSM] Mikey has alexa).

    Time to watch wolves being nitpicky instead of addressing the bigger issues and arguments here.

    @alexa @Sandile I especially trust you two to read all this through and share your thoughts on this.
    The rustle of a woman’s dress was heard in the next room. Prince Andrew shook himself as if waking up, and his face assumed the look it had had in Anna Pávlovna’s drawing room. Pierre removed his feet from the sofa. The princess came in. She had changed her gown for a house dress as fresh and elegant as the other. Prince Andrew rose and politely placed a chair for her.

    “How is it,” she began, as usual in French, settling down briskly and fussily in the easy chair, “how is it Annette never got married? How stupid you men all are not to have married her! Excuse me for saying so, but you have no sense about women. What an argumentative fellow you are, Monsieur Pierre!”

    “And I am still arguing with your husband. I can’t understand why he wants to go to the war,” replied Pierre, addressing the princess with none of the embarrassment so commonly shown by young men in their intercourse with young women.

    The princess started. Evidently Pierre’s words touched her to the quick.

    “Ah, that is just what I tell him!” said she. “I don’t understand it; I don’t in the least understand why men can’t live without wars. How is it that we women don’t want anything of the kind, don’t need it? Now you shall judge between us. I always tell him: Here he is Uncle’s aide-de-camp, a most brilliant position. He is so well known, so much appreciated by everyone. The other day at the Apráksins’ I heard a lady asking, ‘Is that the famous Prince Andrew?’ I did indeed.” She laughed. “He is so well received everywhere. He might easily become aide-de-camp to the Emperor. You know the Emperor spoke to him most graciously. Annette and I were speaking of how to arrange it. What do you think?”

    Pierre looked at his friend and, noticing that he did not like the conversation, gave no reply.

    “When are you starting?” he asked.

    “Oh, don’t speak of his going, don’t! I won’t hear it spoken of,” said the princess in the same petulantly playful tone in which she had spoken to Hippolyte in the drawing room and which was so plainly ill-suited to the family circle of which Pierre was almost a member. “Today when I remembered that all these delightful associations must be broken off… and then you know, André…” (she looked significantly at her husband) “I’m afraid, I’m afraid!” she whispered, and a shudder ran down her back.

    Her husband looked at her as if surprised to notice that someone besides Pierre and himself was in the room, and addressed her in a tone of frigid politeness.

    “What is it you are afraid of, Lise? I don’t understand,” said he.

    “There, what egotists men all are: all, all egotists! Just for a whim of his own, goodness only knows why, he leaves me and locks me up alone in the country.”

    “With my father and sister, remember,” said Prince Andrew gently.

    “Alone all the same, without my friends…. And he expects me not to be afraid.”

    Her tone was now querulous and her lip drawn up, giving her not a joyful, but an animal, squirrel-like expression. She paused as if she felt it indecorous to speak of her pregnancy before Pierre, though the gist of the matter lay in that.

    “I still can’t understand what you are afraid of,” said Prince Andrew slowly, not taking his eyes off his wife.

    The princess blushed, and raised her arms with a gesture of despair.

    “No, Andrew, I must say you have changed. Oh, how you have…”

    “Your doctor tells you to go to bed earlier,” said Prince Andrew. “You had better go.”

    The princess said nothing, but suddenly her short downy lip quivered. Prince Andrew rose, shrugged his shoulders, and walked about the room.

    Pierre looked over his spectacles with naïve surprise, now at him and now at her, moved as if about to rise too, but changed his mind.

    “Why should I mind Monsieur Pierre being here?” exclaimed the little princess suddenly, her pretty face all at once distorted by a tearful grimace. “I have long wanted to ask you, Andrew, why you have changed so to me? What have I done to you? You are going to the war and have no pity for me. Why is it?”

    “Lise!” was all Prince Andrew said. But that one word expressed an entreaty, a threat, and above all conviction that she would herself regret her words. But she went on hurriedly:

    “You treat me like an invalid or a child. I see it all! Did you behave like that six months ago?”

    “Lise, I beg you to desist,” said Prince Andrew still more emphatically.

    Pierre, who had been growing more and more agitated as he listened to all this, rose and approached the princess. He seemed unable to bear the sight of tears and was ready to cry himself.

    “Calm yourself, Princess! It seems so to you because… I assure you I myself have experienced… and so… because… No, excuse me! An outsider is out of place here… No, don’t distress yourself… Good-by!”

    Prince Andrew caught him by the hand.

    “No, wait, Pierre! The princess is too kind to wish to deprive me of the pleasure of spending the evening with you.”

    “No, he thinks only of himself,” muttered the princess without restraining her angry tears.

    “Lise!” said Prince Andrew dryly, raising his voice to the pitch which indicates that patience is exhausted.

    Suddenly the angry, squirrel-like expression of the princess’ pretty face changed into a winning and piteous look of fear. Her beautiful eyes glanced askance at her husband’s face, and her own assumed the timid, deprecating expression of a dog when it rapidly but feebly wags its drooping tail.

    “Mon Dieu, mon Dieu!” she muttered, and lifting her dress with one hand she went up to her husband and kissed him on the forehead.

    “Good night, Lise,” said he, rising and courteously kissing her hand as he would have done to a stranger.
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    Completed everyone is postcount capped for one thing

    Quote Originally Posted by CRichard564 (#1660)
    I feel like that seeing that we're not resolving Athena + Sandile means that the wolves are controlling the thread.
    It's the optimal strategy in all worlds. How does my wagon appear while Athena's disappears if the wolves aren't pulling strings here?
    everyone is postcount capped for one thing
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    Completed Athena and Alexa aren't aligned

    Quote Originally Posted by CRichard564 (#1654)
    I feel like I haven't explained why I think Athena/Alexa/Illario is more likely than Athena/Coffee Cup/Mikey.
    It's because alexa was always bugging Athena to be greenchecked. As my memories of Alexa/Illario are that they they're probably the same alignment as either village or wolf, it seems weird that alexa would bug Athena to "greencheck" her so hard if she were town.
    It's as though she was waiting to trumpet to the thread that if she is green checked, then illario is green checked by association.
    Can anyone comment on this more?
    Athena and Alexa aren't aligned
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    Completed ah, I see now, thank you crich

    Quote Originally Posted by CRichard564 (#1646)
    Mikey here's what you need to understand right now.
    Sandile claimed cop, their claim lines up because of how they've treated Schweppes.
    Yet Athena says you're greenchecked and yet seems to not believe it.
    Do I need to spell out this inconsistency more?
    ah, I see now, thank you crich
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