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    Completed Nothing. No one has been poisoned and I can't use...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag (#2932)
    Ace Marvel:
    Claims to have brought no cards to the game:

    Ezra:
    Claims to have poisoned DZ n1 but was vanillaized

    Wes:
    Claims to have used Ascetic n1 and ??? n2

    @Wesmaster160 what card did you use n2?
    Nothing. No one has been poisoned and I can't use my cannoneer.
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    Completed So there's nothing mechanically saying that Ezra...

    So there's nothing mechanically saying that Ezra isn't a wolf. They just got vanillized because they tried to poison DZ.
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    Completed So technically the same thing actually. They...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2925)
    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#2920)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2917)
    Quote Originally Posted by KyleM (#2916)
    also i think Wes/Nook maybe not W/W
    so Grant/Wes/Flea +1

    what do people think about Ezra?
    Ezra said they were vanillazed for 4 days, no one has yet claimed that action, and I doubt mafia would waste all their resources on D1 on Ezra, 4 days of Vanillized is too much imo
    It’s DZ’s flip :/
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#2774)
    Deck Mafia #005 Day 2 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    4 Wesmaster160 BlueKang (72), Flea the Magician (95), Michelle (149), NANOOKTHECONQUEROR (102)
    4 DoctorZeus Scyther (150), Ace Marvel (106), Ezradekezra (52), Lag (75)
    2 Grant Wesmaster160 (32), Venti (67)
    1 Venti DoctorZeus (148)
    2 Not voting Grant (36), Hydreigon25 (60)


    View Vote History

    End day at majority is enabled. With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

    It was a tie. DoctorZeus was eliminated at random. They were:

    Character image

    Town, Vanilla Town
    Role PM for Deck Mafia #005


    You are Town, Caelus. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.


    Day 2 has ended.

    Day 2 ended at 8:59 PM EDT on Saturday, October 23rd, 2021.
    Here it is. So it was only for 2 cycles, not til n4. I think?
    So technically the same thing actually. They would really be unvanillized d4, but if they don't have any day action cards, its functionally the same as n4.
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    Completed Here it is. So it was only for 2 cycles, not til...

    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#2920)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2917)
    Quote Originally Posted by KyleM (#2916)
    also i think Wes/Nook maybe not W/W
    so Grant/Wes/Flea +1

    what do people think about Ezra?
    Ezra said they were vanillazed for 4 days, no one has yet claimed that action, and I doubt mafia would waste all their resources on D1 on Ezra, 4 days of Vanillized is too much imo
    It’s DZ’s flip :/
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#2774)
    Deck Mafia #005 Day 2 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    4 Wesmaster160 BlueKang (72), Flea the Magician (95), Michelle (149), NANOOKTHECONQUEROR (102)
    4 DoctorZeus Scyther (150), Ace Marvel (106), Ezradekezra (52), Lag (75)
    2 Grant Wesmaster160 (32), Venti (67)
    1 Venti DoctorZeus (148)
    2 Not voting Grant (36), Hydreigon25 (60)


    View Vote History

    End day at majority is enabled. With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to reach majority.

    It was a tie. DoctorZeus was eliminated at random. They were:

    Character image

    Town, Vanilla Town
    Role PM for Deck Mafia #005


    You are Town, Caelus. You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.


    Day 2 has ended.

    Day 2 ended at 8:59 PM EDT on Saturday, October 23rd, 2021.
    Here it is. So it was only for 2 cycles, not til n4. I think?
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    Completed True. Though its just as likely they used a vig...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2913)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2911)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2910)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2908)
    If I had rolled mafia we could use it to store a kp and then have 2 kp the next night or some other night. Though we'd lose it if I died.
    Mafia had 2 kills last night... lol
    Oh $%#!... but there were no nights with no kills.
    Mafia could have used a night vig card or something that night.

    I'm not saying you are mafia because of it, but is really easy to see how you can be, so you claiming that card is not town indicative.
    True. Though its just as likely they used a vig last night. But yeah these are all just hypotheticals, I agree my card doesn't make me more towny.
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    Completed This is about where I am at as well, but between...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2909)
    Quote Originally Posted by NANOOKTHECONQUEROR (#2906)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2897)
    If someone can kill during the day, wouldn't it be optimal to kill Grant and if somehow they are town, just sleep?

    Serious question.
    If they're town it would be KILO lol
    Lag is town
    I am town

    I think are town
    Venti
    Wes
    Nanook
    Kyle

    That leaves my POE

    Grant
    Hydre
    Flea
    Ezra

    If we could say Wes could be mafia too.

    For me there is no way Grant with a mason red check is town.
    This is about where I am at as well, but between Hyde or Venti for the 4th. There's no chance Bluekang as mafia gave town Michelle a gun right?
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    Completed Oh $%#!... but there were no nights with no kills.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2910)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2908)
    Quote Originally Posted by NANOOKTHECONQUEROR (#2907)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2904)
    @Lag used an Ascetic card n1, so night actions besides killing actions wouldn't work on me that night.

    Otherwise I'm sitting on a healer card and a cannoneer card.
    What is cannoneer?
    If I had rolled mafia we could use it to store a kp and then have 2 kp the next night or some other night. Though we'd lose it if I died.
    Mafia had 2 kills last night... lol
    Oh $%#!... but there were no nights with no kills.
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    Completed If I had rolled mafia we could use it to store a...

    Quote Originally Posted by NANOOKTHECONQUEROR (#2907)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2904)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lag (#2889)
    Actually you know what,

    This is bull$%#!, why are we on day 3 and I'm literally the only slot all game that's contributed any sort of mech solving with my night actions?

    Like, you all do know that town just auto-loses a 13v4 mountainous setup, right?

    We're in MYLO, everyone should claim all actions they've done every night since the start of the game.

    First group of people to claim:
    @Ace Marvel
    @Wesmaster160
    @Ezradekezra

    Second group to claim:
    @NANOOKTHECONQUEROR
    @Flea the Magician
    @Venti
    @Hydreigon25
    @KyleM

    After everyone in the first group has claimed then people in the second group should claim. Anyone that refuses to claim I'm just going to policy.
    @Lag used an Ascetic card n1, so night actions besides killing actions wouldn't work on me that night.

    Otherwise I'm sitting on a healer card and a cannoneer card.
    What is cannoneer?
    If I had rolled mafia we could use it to store a kp and then have 2 kp the next night or some other night. Though we'd lose it if I died.
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    Completed I don't have great cards :P

    I don't have great cards :P
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    Completed Lag used an Ascetic card n1, so night actions...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag (#2889)
    Actually you know what,

    This is bull$%#!, why are we on day 3 and I'm literally the only slot all game that's contributed any sort of mech solving with my night actions?

    Like, you all do know that town just auto-loses a 13v4 mountainous setup, right?

    We're in MYLO, everyone should claim all actions they've done every night since the start of the game.

    First group of people to claim:
    @Ace Marvel
    @Wesmaster160
    @Ezradekezra

    Second group to claim:
    @NANOOKTHECONQUEROR
    @Flea the Magician
    @Venti
    @Hydreigon25
    @KyleM

    After everyone in the first group has claimed then people in the second group should claim. Anyone that refuses to claim I'm just going to policy.
    @Lag used an Ascetic card n1, so night actions besides killing actions wouldn't work on me that night.

    Otherwise I'm sitting on a healer card and a cannoneer card.
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    Completed And of course Grant

    And of course

    ##Vote Grant
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    Completed That's so weird that you'd have a dream about...

    Quote Originally Posted by KyleM (#2865)
    god i had such a weird dream last night.

    anyways i ISO'd wes and i think he's a wolf.

    P#422 lazy reads post
    -a series of posts replying to people

    -a bunch of wolfy posts

    -an especially wolfy post pairing him w grant (P#488)

    -MORE wolfy posts

    im aware this ISO sucks but apparently my slot is like IC so just assume it is in good faith and look into wes PLEASE
    That's so weird that you'd have a dream about wolf reading me. Crazy. Good thing this is reality though.
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    Completed I mean, if wolves out to vote me out, it's not...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2640)
    Grant will show up to vote wes
    I mean, if wolves out to vote me out, it's not the worst outcome
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    Completed Maybe this one then

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2527)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#2478)
    @Venti
    P#422 Wes doesn't give any reason for his reads, what exactly do you agree with?
    P#441 is a nonsense from logical pov, doesn't show a real opinion about Zeus, i would like to explain me what do you see there like i am 5.
    Do you preflip Zeus because he was friendly with Grant? And in your next post you have Grant as certain scum but not Zeus.
    P#519 you don't remember Grant in the other game but you agree with Wes? How come?
    P#1480 he is pocketing me by voting with me when do you see a w/w connection there?
    I explained in detail today why i SR Ezra in day 1 and you obviously didn't read it. My night action spent on them is particularly clearing them for now so they are not in the immediate PoE for me because of that, so you miss here an important idea to make a complete judgement about a possible connection between me and Wes.
    Also i bring today Wes on discussion pressing for a wagon, so where is my intention regading Wes?

    And I am Michelle not Mitchell, i will take care you will remember my name. Also i am LHF in Wes' dream, i am never LHF and i think i prooved it only by gif posting, not mentioning that after i started to say my mind there is no way someone can call me LHF.
    P#2041 is full of contradictions Wes is mentioning Ezra's actions overnight with Ezra having the habit to repeat few words making from this a hidden shade for Ezra, who is a TR of yours but you seem to ignore what is bad in Wes' post. In few words he says Ezra is ok, until they aren't.
    " I think there's a towny mindset"... "But, looking through their iso.."
    That's wolfy Venti, is treating Ezra from both PoVs to can backtrack if needed
    When he is talking about Zeus, who is today in many people's town core, he notices Zeus improved but he is pocketing you directly saying:
    'Don't like their Venti push."
    Again he is on the fence

    His vote is an info chop, he is not saying his main SR is Grant, he says he wants day 1 wagons solved.
    We don't info chop in this game we try to chop mafia.

    Wes has all the characteristics of a wolf, from playing with the cards close to his chest, to posting opportunistic and wishy washy

    Where a TR for Wes comes from, Venti?
    Okay, not going to use postnums while responding, but yeah.

    1)So I didn't give my reasons for catch up reads in my very first post? So what? I gave most of them as I played.

    2)For the Zeus read, at that point Zeus had been talking about flea a decent bit (from my memory), so to talk about them that much and then saying "I'm actually not wolf reading them that much" feels hedgey.

    3)In what world is me voting Ezra there pocketing you? Sure, I vote them for their tunnel on you, but this was like right at EoD, not a time to pocket people. And like what am I doing there if I'm a wolf? Protecting Sett, flipped town? Protecting Grant, who I'm leading the wagon on?

    4)And no offense, but this is the dumbest part of the push. Like what? "Wes says some stuff is towny, and some stuff is wolfy, that's hedgey Wes is a wolf". The prewritten wall post is like the only reason I don't have them as a straight up wolf. And like I said, it does look like a towny mindset. But put in with the rest of their play it leaves them at just a null for me. Like I could maybe see the hedgey read there if I continued throwing shade there but leaving Ezra as null, but that's all I've said about them today.

    5)Grant is my main suspect, not just an info chop. You even quoted the post here where I said he was playing similar to the last game I played with him where he was a wolf. And he hasn't really done anything to change that read.

    I still town read you, but idk where you're coming from with this push. It feels like you went into it wanting to scum read me and fitting what you could find from posts to a wolf read.
    Maybe this one then
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    Completed Ezradekezra I believe he was referring to this

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#2478)
    @Venti
    P#422 Wes doesn't give any reason for his reads, what exactly do you agree with?
    P#441 is a nonsense from logical pov, doesn't show a real opinion about Zeus, i would like to explain me what do you see there like i am 5.
    Do you preflip Zeus because he was friendly with Grant? And in your next post you have Grant as certain scum but not Zeus.
    P#519 you don't remember Grant in the other game but you agree with Wes? How come?
    P#1480 he is pocketing me by voting with me when do you see a w/w connection there?
    I explained in detail today why i SR Ezra in day 1 and you obviously didn't read it. My night action spent on them is particularly clearing them for now so they are not in the immediate PoE for me because of that, so you miss here an important idea to make a complete judgement about a possible connection between me and Wes.
    Also i bring today Wes on discussion pressing for a wagon, so where is my intention regading Wes?

    And I am Michelle not Mitchell, i will take care you will remember my name. Also i am LHF in Wes' dream, i am never LHF and i think i prooved it only by gif posting, not mentioning that after i started to say my mind there is no way someone can call me LHF.
    P#2041 is full of contradictions Wes is mentioning Ezra's actions overnight with Ezra having the habit to repeat few words making from this a hidden shade for Ezra, who is a TR of yours but you seem to ignore what is bad in Wes' post. In few words he says Ezra is ok, until they aren't.
    " I think there's a towny mindset"... "But, looking through their iso.."
    That's wolfy Venti, is treating Ezra from both PoVs to can backtrack if needed
    When he is talking about Zeus, who is today in many people's town core, he notices Zeus improved but he is pocketing you directly saying:
    'Don't like their Venti push."
    Again he is on the fence

    His vote is an info chop, he is not saying his main SR is Grant, he says he wants day 1 wagons solved.
    We don't info chop in this game we try to chop mafia.

    Wes has all the characteristics of a wolf, from playing with the cards close to his chest, to posting opportunistic and wishy washy

    Where a TR for Wes comes from, Venti?
    @Ezradekezra I believe he was referring to this
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    Completed half of me is assuming this is some kind of...

    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#2625)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2603)
    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#2599)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lag (#2598)
    Vote Grant then please, Wes is not a good vote today
    Y? I thought Mitchell had a valid argument as to why Wes was scummy due to them having reads come out of nowhere and having a back door on their Ezra read?
    I don't get how that's what you agree with, that's like the worst part of the push on me. "How dare you say something things they've done are towny and some are scummy. That's scummy."
    What are you saying you literally make no sense
    Wes is wolf lol
    Wes gets caught my Michelle and then proceeds to produce illogical statements back to back.
    Keep Howling buddy
    half of me is assuming this is some kind of reaction test.
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    Completed Ehhhhhhh, but that's not the focus of today I...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lag (#2607)
    DZ is one of the townier slots in this game
    Ehhhhhhh, but that's not the focus of today I agree.
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    Completed I don't get how that's what you agree with,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#2599)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lag (#2598)
    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#2595)
    I don’t want to be alive if y’all are voting me for slank when I correctly guessed the Masons. What a joke. My logic is TMI lmao, that’s not a reason to push someone.

    Hahaha. There is no way I can defend myself so I’m just acting really serious so y’all will unvote me hehe.

    I won’t be able to defend myself so I’m sorry if it causes and inconvenience in your read making.

    My vote is on Flea/Wes/Grant.

    So 2/3 chance of epilating a PoE slot is fine by me.
    Let it rand
    Vote Grant then please, Wes is not a good vote today
    Y? I thought Mitchell had a valid argument as to why Wes was scummy due to them having reads come out of nowhere and having a back door on their Ezra read?
    I don't get how that's what you agree with, that's like the worst part of the push on me. "How dare you say something things they've done are towny and some are scummy. That's scummy."
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    Completed You're sheeping Ezra?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#2592)


    ##Vote DoctorZeus
    You're sheeping Ezra?
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    Completed Of note in there I said this was Hydregion's town...

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea the Magician (#2566)
    OK, readng over wes in depth. I normally give myself a good couple of hours for this but we don't have that luxury.

    p#442 - Jumps in with read list, seems to have pretty strong reads and votes. +
    p#429 - Comments more on category names than the "wild list" part. -
    p#435 - Responding the Michelle asking for more with a no. -
    p#439 - Vibe check fail. Michelle clairifies she wants the details on the reads, dismissive refusal from wes. --
    p#441 - Goes into "detail" about the zeus read referencing p#378 as "90% of the scum read. Cites edginess on me and him finding me sus. This is bad bad. --
    p#457 - Either disapproval or mocking of Michelles reads list.
    p#487 - continued.
    p#488 - Actually asking someone about reads.
    p#519 - Meta reading someone and "challenging" a read.
    p#523 - Asking about someone elses read again, specifically reaction to read.
    p#525 - Odd defence. "But I did that, do what about me?" +
    p#535 - Detailing read on me and venti. Seems legit.
    p#1371 - Hasn't looked at last 450ish posts.
    p#1384 - Asking about someones vote again.
    p#1386 - asking nanook about the martin case, bit of reading would've answered that I think.
    p#1391 - Asking about someone elses vote again.
    p#1403 - actually calls someone sus, I think? brain won't interpret this one.
    p#1423 - responding to "Vote your highest suspect" with "done." (DZ)
    p#1440 - Unvotes for the rand. o.O Is that a common thing here? like seriously?
    p#1458 - Challenging the reasoning for Ezras vote on michelle, "over 40 hours" and asking if nothing has been scummier. + ... but Wes admitted that he hasn't read... Half +
    p#1480 - Votes Ezra as "not vibing with" the reason for michelle vote.
    p#1495 - Calls out Ezra for being voteparked... *looks up the list at the DZ vote...

    D1 Has Wes edging the scumzone. There's nothing really solvy going on here imo.

    p#2041 - Read up, inverted the DZ read over the poisoners claim, goes straight for the D1 CW of Grant.
    p#2043 - Evidence on Ezra? "For Reference"
    p#2341 - "Bragging" about being the first vote on a stagnant wagon? Hmm. Vibe check fail.
    p#2527 - Responding to Michelle responding to Venti. Vibe check fail, most reasons were not given in any detail, only me and DZ were really revealed. You've given no reason on Grant aside from D1 CW. --
    p#2532 - Responding to Michelle. Self Meta blows so much.
    p#2533 - Meta reading Hydregion using 1 of each game. states this is Hydres wolf game. --
    p#2534 - Another reads list, some drastic changes.
    p#2357 - Infers that my voting for him has affected my read of him negatively, and Ace voting with has affected his read positively. Does not take a real stance on the matter as I've been encouraging people to do all day.
    p#2537 - Dismisses discussion as "lag is a mason".
    p#2539 - agrees with list after all.
    p#2541 - Uses hydre meta games to provide meta reasoning on Grant. --
    p#2552 - Doesn't expand. Confirms p#2357

    Turns out there is enough get a read on you, I was looking at this hoping for a town bias result but got a furry one.
    While acknowledging negativity bias I still think looking at you like this here paints you in a bad light. There's the occasion prod and probe, but no slving really going on imo.
    Of note in there I said this was Hydregion's town game
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    Completed Fair enough. Hope you feel better from it. But...

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea the Magician (#2561)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2557)
    Quote Originally Posted by Flea the Magician (#2555)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2552)
    Well at least for d1, I town read you a lot more than Ace. But now, Ace is voting with me on Grant, and you're voting me (without ever really talking about as I've just noticed).
    As said, I believe Grant is town, and you're practically not here and a CW.
    I mean, I'm posting less than average probably, but there's should be enough there to get a read on me besides me not being here. Plus we've got a decent amount of time from EoD where I feel like me being a CW isn't really a reason either.
    EoD is 2am my time and as said I am far from my best health rn. Covid booster is wrekcing me I think.
    I'll have a skim over you, but honestly thats where i was happy at the time.
    Fair enough. Hope you feel better from it.

    But yeah, if you could give a more fleshed out read on me that would help.
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    Completed I mean, I'm posting less than average probably,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea the Magician (#2555)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2552)
    Quote Originally Posted by Flea the Magician (#2543)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2536)
    The Ace/Flea dynamic is throwing me off, cause I had Flea as the much more likely town of the two, but Ace voting Grant and Flea voting me is really messing that up.
    I want you to expand on this for me.
    Well at least for d1, I town read you a lot more than Ace. But now, Ace is voting with me on Grant, and you're voting me (without ever really talking about as I've just noticed).
    As said, I believe Grant is town, and you're practically not here and a CW.
    I mean, I'm posting less than average probably, but there's should be enough there to get a read on me besides me not being here. Plus we've got a decent amount of time from EoD where I feel like me being a CW isn't really a reason either.
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    Completed Well at least for d1, I town read you a lot more...

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea the Magician (#2543)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2536)
    The Ace/Flea dynamic is throwing me off, cause I had Flea as the much more likely town of the two, but Ace voting Grant and Flea voting me is really messing that up.
    I want you to expand on this for me.
    Well at least for d1, I town read you a lot more than Ace. But now, Ace is voting with me on Grant, and you're voting me (without ever really talking about as I've just noticed).
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    Completed Yeah this is it talking about me in any capacity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea the Magician (#1190)
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueKang (#1183)
    @Flea the Magician

    What is your world view right now? Sorry if you've stated this before but I don't feel like going through the thread.
    Assuming this is reads list, I hate doing this normally and refuse but gotta leave some sense of my mindset I guess.

    TownZone
    Grant BlueKang

    Hydregion Lag

    Michelle

    ===NULLZONE
    Nanook Martin

    ===NULLZONE By virtue of I haven't paid attention to them.
    Scyther Sett Wes Phraze


    Ezra Venti

    HollowKat, Ace, DocZeus
    ScumZone

    Yes I use read degredation. If you're not active my read falls.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flea the Magician (#2469)
    I am unwell, I won't be around for around 5 or 6 hours of today and I won't be here for EoD because screw staying up until 2am when I'm LARPing tomorrow (which is probably an unwise choice on my behalf.)


    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#2337)
    Quote Originally Posted by Flea the Magician (#2201)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2188)
    All I'm going to say is why would wolf Nanook pick of all people to kill Phraze? Hoping that Michelle would shot with a gun given by BK??

    Again Flea demonstrates they are just making stuff up to fit their narrative.

    And in what universe I'm a wolf with Nanook?
    Wolf Nanook wouldn't know BK gave Michelle a gun, assuming my TRs are still good.
    So explain to me how that works?

    Again, Flea demonstrates they have an odd way of braining. You're not the first one to try and push me for it, you won't be the last.

    Several worlds exist to that effect currently.

    This quick reply function is genuinely awful...
    I really hope you expanded on your world building because i wish to know where is your head at.

    Go advanced and the annoying thing is no more
    Lacking brainpower currently, as is is, towncore for me currently is you and BK. Scyther and Hydre are hanging around trying to get in the cool kids club with while Ace, Wes and Lag and DZ are hanging around at the "misfits" table.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2341)
    I love that it's just lil ole 5 post me at the front of the lead wagon. Just seems funny.
    Almost like you can't just cruise by doing nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#2345)
    Quote Originally Posted by Flea the Magician (#2222)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#2218)
    Quote Originally Posted by Flea the Magician (#2206)
    You know something. Im game for this.

    ##Vote Ace Marvel
    What are you trying to find out ?


    As far as I'm concerned, I'm either calling Aces bluff or getting rid a 5th wolf. Their hang up on me isn't healthy and one of us needs to be gone for towns health.
    why would this be useful for town if Ace is town, i can't get tbh
    Honestly even if we're both town, me here means Ace will not shift focus from me and will continue to derail towns efforts to find a wolf. Their tunnel intensity and pop in frequency is not town indicative and needs one of us to be resolved, I'm willing to eat this elimination to resolve this, Ace appears hesitant and since my calling of his bluff and has weirdly derailed off completely.
    Yeah this is it talking about me in any capacity.
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    Completed Flea, have you really talked about me at all?

    Flea, have you really talked about me at all?
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    Completed To the bolded you realize I was talking about...

    Quote Originally Posted by Flea the Magician (#2469)
    I am unwell, I won't be around for around 5 or 6 hours of today and I won't be here for EoD because screw staying up until 2am when I'm LARPing tomorrow (which is probably an unwise choice on my behalf.)


    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#2337)
    Quote Originally Posted by Flea the Magician (#2201)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2188)
    All I'm going to say is why would wolf Nanook pick of all people to kill Phraze? Hoping that Michelle would shot with a gun given by BK??

    Again Flea demonstrates they are just making stuff up to fit their narrative.

    And in what universe I'm a wolf with Nanook?
    Wolf Nanook wouldn't know BK gave Michelle a gun, assuming my TRs are still good.
    So explain to me how that works?

    Again, Flea demonstrates they have an odd way of braining. You're not the first one to try and push me for it, you won't be the last.

    Several worlds exist to that effect currently.

    This quick reply function is genuinely awful...
    I really hope you expanded on your world building because i wish to know where is your head at.

    Go advanced and the annoying thing is no more
    Lacking brainpower currently, as is is, towncore for me currently is you and BK. Scyther and Hydre are hanging around trying to get in the cool kids club with while Ace, Wes and Lag and DZ are hanging around at the "misfits" table.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2341)
    I love that it's just lil ole 5 post me at the front of the lead wagon. Just seems funny.
    Almost like you can't just cruise by doing nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#2345)
    Quote Originally Posted by Flea the Magician (#2222)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#2218)
    What are you trying to find out ?


    As far as I'm concerned, I'm either calling Aces bluff or getting rid a 5th wolf. Their hang up on me isn't healthy and one of us needs to be gone for towns health.
    why would this be useful for town if Ace is town, i can't get tbh
    Honestly even if we're both town, me here means Ace will not shift focus from me and will continue to derail towns efforts to find a wolf. Their tunnel intensity and pop in frequency is not town indicative and needs one of us to be resolved, I'm willing to eat this elimination to resolve this, Ace appears hesitant and since my calling of his bluff and has weirdly derailed off completely.
    To the bolded you realize I was talking about being the lead vote on the Grant wagon right?
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    Completed It doesn't matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#2542)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2537)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#2535)
    P[postnum]2533[postnum] is interesting however what do you think about my PoE list: Flea, Grant, & Lag, Ace Marvel ? ( meaning i currently have them as null )
    Lag is a mason, soooooo...
    do you think lag could be using town meta this game ?
    It doesn't matter?
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    Completed Oh and the scum game here is the one where Grant...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2533)
    Also just did a brief look over of Hydregion from a couple games I played with them recently.

    Town Hydregion: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...Multiball-19er

    Scum Hydregion: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...-THE-WINNER%29

    The big noticeable difference between them is that in his scum game, he asks a lot more questions and is a lot slower to put any kind of reads out (though reasoning is lacking in either case). His town game he was much more willing and quicker to give town points or call something wolfy. Which seems in line with this game.
    Oh and the scum game here is the one where Grant was also scum. You can check their iso there and see the similarities.
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    Completed Otherwise it seems fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2537)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#2535)
    P[postnum]2533[postnum] is interesting however what do you think about my PoE list: Flea, Grant, & Lag, Ace Marvel ? ( meaning i currently have them as null )
    Lag is a mason, soooooo...
    Otherwise it seems fine.
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    Completed Lag is a mason, soooooo...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hydreigon25 (#2535)
    P[postnum]2533[postnum] is interesting however what do you think about my PoE list: Flea, Grant, & Lag, Ace Marvel ? ( meaning i currently have them as null )
    Lag is a mason, soooooo...
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    Completed The Ace/Flea dynamic is throwing me off, cause I...

    The Ace/Flea dynamic is throwing me off, cause I had Flea as the much more likely town of the two, but Ace voting Grant and Flea voting me is really messing that up.
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    Completed Coolio peeps: Wes, Lag, Scyther, Nanook,...

    Coolio peeps: Wes, Lag, Scyther, Nanook, Michelle, Hydregion

    Alright dude: Venti

    Meh: Ace, Flea, BlueKang, Zeus, Ezra

    Bad Duder: Grant
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    Completed Also just did a brief look over of Hydregion from...

    Also just did a brief look over of Hydregion from a couple games I played with them recently.

    Town Hydregion: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...Multiball-19er

    Scum Hydregion: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...-THE-WINNER%29

    The big noticeable difference between them is that in his scum game, he asks a lot more questions and is a lot slower to put any kind of reads out (though reasoning is lacking in either case). His town game he was much more willing and quicker to give town points or call something wolfy. Which seems in line with this game.
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    Completed I guess you just have it out for me this game...

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#2531)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2528)
    Also, here til EoD, so AMA.
    Brushing off my post doesn't mean you are actively scum hunting in this game and looking like you care about finding scum.
    Grant is wolf by meta, you say, but except this you don't say much. You have to post much more than me because i don't have enough posts to answer at each of your posts.

    What makes you town in your own opinion?
    What is the difference between town Wes and scum Wes?
    I scum read you and you threat me to scum read me for this? Where is your reason to do so?
    If Grant is scum, who are his teammates?
    I guess you just have it out for me this game lol.

    I didn't brush off your post, I literally addressed all of your points against me on there.

    What makes me town is my town rand for this game.
    town Wes just posts pretty freely, doesn't care too much about stuff, idk just chill.
    scum Wes is pretty appeasing, and just looking to look good to others. Also much less WiM (which yeah, is in line with this game so far, mostly from me being busyish this week).
    Didn't threaten to scum read you anywhere, so not sure where you got that from.
    No idea atm, but people hopping onto me while Grant is lead wagon may be a decent place to look. Would have to look into it though.
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    Completed Also, here til EoD, so AMA.

    Also, here til EoD, so AMA.
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    Completed Okay, not going to use postnums while responding,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#2478)
    @Venti
    P#422 Wes doesn't give any reason for his reads, what exactly do you agree with?
    P#441 is a nonsense from logical pov, doesn't show a real opinion about Zeus, i would like to explain me what do you see there like i am 5.
    Do you preflip Zeus because he was friendly with Grant? And in your next post you have Grant as certain scum but not Zeus.
    P#519 you don't remember Grant in the other game but you agree with Wes? How come?
    P#1480 he is pocketing me by voting with me when do you see a w/w connection there?
    I explained in detail today why i SR Ezra in day 1 and you obviously didn't read it. My night action spent on them is particularly clearing them for now so they are not in the immediate PoE for me because of that, so you miss here an important idea to make a complete judgement about a possible connection between me and Wes.
    Also i bring today Wes on discussion pressing for a wagon, so where is my intention regading Wes?

    And I am Michelle not Mitchell, i will take care you will remember my name. Also i am LHF in Wes' dream, i am never LHF and i think i prooved it only by gif posting, not mentioning that after i started to say my mind there is no way someone can call me LHF.
    P#2041 is full of contradictions Wes is mentioning Ezra's actions overnight with Ezra having the habit to repeat few words making from this a hidden shade for Ezra, who is a TR of yours but you seem to ignore what is bad in Wes' post. In few words he says Ezra is ok, until they aren't.
    " I think there's a towny mindset"... "But, looking through their iso.."
    That's wolfy Venti, is treating Ezra from both PoVs to can backtrack if needed
    When he is talking about Zeus, who is today in many people's town core, he notices Zeus improved but he is pocketing you directly saying:
    'Don't like their Venti push."
    Again he is on the fence

    His vote is an info chop, he is not saying his main SR is Grant, he says he wants day 1 wagons solved.
    We don't info chop in this game we try to chop mafia.

    Wes has all the characteristics of a wolf, from playing with the cards close to his chest, to posting opportunistic and wishy washy

    Where a TR for Wes comes from, Venti?
    Okay, not going to use postnums while responding, but yeah.

    1)So I didn't give my reasons for catch up reads in my very first post? So what? I gave most of them as I played.

    2)For the Zeus read, at that point Zeus had been talking about flea a decent bit (from my memory), so to talk about them that much and then saying "I'm actually not wolf reading them that much" feels hedgey.

    3)In what world is me voting Ezra there pocketing you? Sure, I vote them for their tunnel on you, but this was like right at EoD, not a time to pocket people. And like what am I doing there if I'm a wolf? Protecting Sett, flipped town? Protecting Grant, who I'm leading the wagon on?

    4)And no offense, but this is the dumbest part of the push. Like what? "Wes says some stuff is towny, and some stuff is wolfy, that's hedgey Wes is a wolf". The prewritten wall post is like the only reason I don't have them as a straight up wolf. And like I said, it does look like a towny mindset. But put in with the rest of their play it leaves them at just a null for me. Like I could maybe see the hedgey read there if I continued throwing shade there but leaving Ezra as null, but that's all I've said about them today.

    5)Grant is my main suspect, not just an info chop. You even quoted the post here where I said he was playing similar to the last game I played with him where he was a wolf. And he hasn't really done anything to change that read.

    I still town read you, but idk where you're coming from with this push. It feels like you went into it wanting to scum read me and fitting what you could find from posts to a wolf read.
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    Completed Well duh, on actually using my brain, this has to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2342)
    @Lag did you and Scyther become masons last night?
    Well duh, on actually using my brain, this has to be the case.
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    Completed Lag did you and Scyther become masons last night?

    @Lag did you and Scyther become masons last night?
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    Completed I love that it's just lil ole 5 post me at the...

    I love that it's just lil ole 5 post me at the front of the lead wagon. Just seems funny.
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    Completed Haha yep there we go.

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2048)
    Also kinda wanted to make my money's worth out of it if I could; it DOES make the game more interesting imo
    Haha yep there we go.
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    Completed I respect it. I honestly sort of expected "I paid...

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2047)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#2044)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2042)
    Also the more knowledgeable of you may notice that ability is part of a GvD card named Lumina.

    If you're in the discord for deck inventories (or named "Deck Mafia Community") I suggest you go look at the #gods-vs-demons channel and find the redi-sh card that reads Lumina.

    To put it succintly, my other two abilities and my passive aren't exactly friendly to either alignment, though its more unfavorable to the town than it is to the mafia.
    Damn, so you rolled town and then decided to use a "more unfavorable to the town" card?
    Yeah.

    I decided to buy a card and have it RNG'ed for me. Ironically the card I got is largely about RNG and unkowns as well so I was like "Why not? Frick it."
    I respect it. I honestly sort of expected "I paid money for a card, so I'm not gonna not use it."
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    Completed Damn, so you rolled town and then decided to use...

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#2042)
    Also the more knowledgeable of you may notice that ability is part of a GvD card named Lumina.

    If you're in the discord for deck inventories (or named "Deck Mafia Community") I suggest you go look at the #gods-vs-demons channel and find the redi-sh card that reads Lumina.

    To put it succintly, my other two abilities and my passive aren't exactly friendly to either alignment, though its more unfavorable to the town than it is to the mafia.
    Damn, so you rolled town and then decided to use a "more unfavorable to the town" card?
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    Completed For reference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#1573)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1572)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#1567)
    Actually that makes Michelle's post saying I'm lying about having cards make a lot more sense

    I very much do have a full deck (I won cards in the GIM and the Memes Game) so the vcop check confirms the vanillaization ig
    ah yes i won a $%#!ton of cards and just decided to not use them

    makes sense to me
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#1484)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1480)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#1464)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1458)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#1454)
    Their early vote on me just seemed super opportunistic imo

    Like they saw someone voting sleep and thought it would be an easy slot to push
    Still just that? From like 40ish hours ago? (Idk seems like forever ago). Nothing else has been scummier in your opinion?
    I haven't been around most of the time tbh

    And nothing I've seen from Michelle has made them that much better imo
    Ehhhhh, not really vibing with this. Thought you'd have something more. I mean if we're talking about an easy slot to push, that's be Michelle especially since she's gif posting.

    ##Vote Ezradekezra
    Ah yes the slot that half the thread has been townreading is an easy push
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#1541)
    Quote Originally Posted by Michelle (#1538)
    ##Vote Ezradekezra
    ah yes it makes perfect sense for w!me to claim multiple kp cards after someone else says doing so allows them to confirm someone's alignment

    stunning logic there, truly the pinnacle of reads
    For reference.
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    Completed All right, all caught up. Agree with Scyther...

    All right, all caught up.

    Agree with Scyther that nanook probably doesn't fake a red check on a town there as a wolf. Just paints a huge target on you for no reason.

    I think Michelle shooting Phraze is probably fine too. I thought Michelle's use of her gimmick d1 was fine, she wasn't coasting by on her gifs, but was actually engaging thread with them. Plus I think dropping it to actually type once Phraze flipped town is more v-indicative.

    Ezra... idk on Ezra. Didn't like the d1 tunnel on Michelle, but the wall about poisoning Zeus is alright. I think there's a towny mindset there in that obviously he would use any killing power on Michelle, so if Michelle is wolf she would stop it, so he should target someone else. But, looking through their iso there is a sort of verbal tick of "Ah yes", which from I recent game where I was wolf it was pointed out to me that I had made a lot of posts starting with "Honestly," so that's a little at the for front of my mind. (Also set up speculation which is dumb and probably affecting my read more than it should, but a vanillize til d4 card just seems so unfun and anti deck mafia idk if I think thats a thing that exists? If anyone knows that something like that is a card lemme know). So I think for now I'm just going to have Ezra reset to null for me.

    And DZ, looks a little better today. I did get pinged a bit though when he was the one to bring up "over analyzers on Phraze are +v" sort of giving himself town status there. But eh not a lot of weight in that. Don't like their Venti push.

    I need to go back and look at it as well, but I've recently played with Hyde as town and mafia, and I remember thinking their d1 play looked more like their town play. I'll try and get something posted about that before EoD.

    All in all, should probably just flip the d1 CW?

    ##Vote Grant
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    Completed You definitely voted Michelle before they got a...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#1484)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1480)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#1464)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1458)
    Still just that? From like 40ish hours ago? (Idk seems like forever ago). Nothing else has been scummier in your opinion?
    I haven't been around most of the time tbh

    And nothing I've seen from Michelle has made them that much better imo
    Ehhhhh, not really vibing with this. Thought you'd have something more. I mean if we're talking about an easy slot to push, that's be Michelle especially since she's gif posting.

    ##Vote Ezradekezra
    Ah yes the slot that half the thread has been townreading is an easy push
    You definitely voted Michelle before they got a ton of town reads. And have been parked there all game.
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    Completed Ehhhhh, not really vibing with this. Thought...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#1464)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1458)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#1454)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1391)
    @Ezradekezra why're you voting Michelle?
    Their early vote on me just seemed super opportunistic imo

    Like they saw someone voting sleep and thought it would be an easy slot to push
    Still just that? From like 40ish hours ago? (Idk seems like forever ago). Nothing else has been scummier in your opinion?
    I haven't been around most of the time tbh

    And nothing I've seen from Michelle has made them that much better imo
    Ehhhhh, not really vibing with this. Thought you'd have something more. I mean if we're talking about an easy slot to push, that's be Michelle especially since she's gif posting.

    ##Vote Ezradekezra
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    Completed Still just that? From like 40ish hours ago? (Idk...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezradekezra (#1454)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1391)
    @Ezradekezra why're you voting Michelle?
    Their early vote on me just seemed super opportunistic imo

    Like they saw someone voting sleep and thought it would be an easy slot to push
    Still just that? From like 40ish hours ago? (Idk seems like forever ago). Nothing else has been scummier in your opinion?
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    Completed You got it boss. DoctorZeus

    Quote Originally Posted by Venti (#1434)
    Lol let's have the top 2 wagons unvote so it is a 13 way rand
    You got it boss. ##Unvote DoctorZeus
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    Completed I guess I'm set then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scyther (#1414)
    Just put your vote on your highest suspect for now please. Forget about wagonomics, viability, everything. Just vote your top scum.
    I guess I'm set then.
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    Completed It's a little sus when you say you don't care...

    Quote Originally Posted by NANOOKTHECONQUEROR (#1396)
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 (#1390)
    Quote Originally Posted by NANOOKTHECONQUEROR (#1383)
    ##Vote MartinGG99

    Best wagon comp, not saying much when its all 2 person wagons, but 🤷♀️
    Scyther I'm very sure is town

    Michelle is likely town (due in part to them reportedly being likely same-alignment with Scyther/Mac)

    You idk, and this is looking worse imo
    Yeah voting with townreads is super sus tbh
    It's a little sus when you say you don't care about the why on why that person is getting voted.
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