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    Game Thread not moving from Marshal Merry Christmas to all...

    not moving from Marshal

    Merry Christmas to all who celebrate, everyone

    I wish you all the best IRL and otherwise
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    Game Thread Legacy post: Don't actually follow any of my...

    Legacy post:

    Don't actually follow any of my reads (even before this EOD stuff); I am typically a player whose D1 reads are rand and they improve over time.

    While there are certainly exceptions to this, I'm not confident enough in this being one of them to set anything in stone for the next several years. My reads *have* notably changed from my last official readslist in October but I'm not going to put them here, and this was even the case before this EOD.
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    Game Thread Marshal

    ##Vote Marshal
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    Game Thread I'm still laser focused on the original two lol ...

    I'm still laser focused on the original two lol

    if it ends up being outside of them then $%#! me I guess
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    Game Thread like this has been funny and all but it's also...

    like this has been funny and all but it's also been useful in that it's disguised my absolute agony of who to finish on rather well
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    Game Thread didn't factor into my calculations when I made...

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#1649)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1645)
    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#1641)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1637)
    for nl's eyes only

    I'm leaning towards CHAOS CHAOS CHAOS

    if you get my drift
    is this cfd an inactive

    idr
    no lol

    so much for subtlety

    it's swapping onto the other (legit) wagon out of nowhere
    igno? marshal?

    what do you make of the self vote
    didn't factor into my calculations when I made that post

    I don't think igno gives a $%#! either way anymore

    I also don't think marshal gives as $%#! anymore either BUT I also think there's a little bit more room to maneuver there
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    Game Thread no lol so much for subtlety it's swapping...

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#1641)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1637)
    for nl's eyes only

    I'm leaning towards CHAOS CHAOS CHAOS

    if you get my drift
    is this cfd an inactive

    idr
    no lol

    so much for subtlety

    it's swapping onto the other (legit) wagon out of nowhere
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    Game Thread for nl's eyes only I'm leaning towards CHAOS...

    for nl's eyes only

    I'm leaning towards CHAOS CHAOS CHAOS

    if you get my drift
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    Game Thread oh jesus

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1621)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#1610)
    @ignoramus Last chance to show up for day 1, by the way?

    I was going to ping you earlier, but got distracted by all of... this!!!!!
    Hello I have arrived what's popping?
    oh jesus
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    Game Thread yes not memeing

    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#1612)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1608)
    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep (#1603)
    I genuinely considered not showing up lol can someone give me, like, what I should read asap
    Marshal iso and whatever post I had about why Marshal is scummy.
    is that still relevant this eod I cant tell from the vote count
    yes

    not memeing
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    Game Thread I've sat here for what feels like 5 full minutes...

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#1598)
    alright gh what are we doin
    I've sat here for what feels like 5 full minutes but is probably more like 20 seconds trying to think of how to respond to this
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    Game Thread I agree it's also a meme and has maybe a 1%...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#1594)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#1589)
    Like, I seriously have no idea what to say here; I feel like I've been the literal towniest I've ever been in my life here, and... ???
    I was just memeing but this actually kind of sketches me out like

    I don't feel like town!you should feel that way?
    I agree it's also a meme and has maybe a 1% chance of sticking but I'll defend Ara here; if you're on the receiving end of this you're always gonna feel a little bit twitchy about it even if it's almost assuredly a meme that's going to dissipate

    tl;dr no issues with how Ara has handled this
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    Game Thread I think I know what I need to do I just need...

    I think I know what I need to do

    I just need to spend the last 14 minutes working up the courage to do it
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    Game Thread holy $%#! lmao

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1581)
    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#77)
    I didn't really think of it as a completely normal game in slow motion, but I'm down to start caring after we wagon Ara in October.
    lol
    holy $%#! lmao
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    Game Thread bizarrely, this is legitimately telling in...

    bizarrely, this is legitimately telling

    in some way, I think
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    Game Thread I love how the entirety of Ara voters were ALL...

    I love how the entirety of Ara voters were ALL from the Marshal wagon lmao
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    Game Thread I don't know whether I'm more desperate to get...

    I don't know whether I'm more desperate to get this vote right

    or more desperate to not get it wrong
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    Game Thread Visor what should I do

    Visor what should I do
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    Game Thread Ara what should I do

    Ara what should I do
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    Game Thread btw if any of you are going to find yourselves in...

    btw if any of you are going to find yourselves in the Philly area in the next month or two, this is my libation of choice for the evening

    I bought a case of the stuff earlier this week and while it's rapidly diminishing, I'd be happy to share it with any of you

    it's also 100% helping fuel my general amusement of everything over the past half hour or so
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    Game Thread I'm gonna make the read this is too pure to be...

    I'm gonna make the read

    this is too pure to be a wolf

    there, I said it
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    Game Thread second legit LOL of the past ten minutes, btw

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#1505)
    WWH

    I have no idea what your alignment is

    But I enjoy your presence in this thread
    second legit LOL of the past ten minutes, btw
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    Game Thread I'm going in for the next beer and once again...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#1501)
    This whole exchange is really something lol
    I'm going in for the next beer and once again rethinking my life's choices

    at least one of which has been over 10% ABV
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    Game Thread in that case I strongly suggest you use some...

    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#1493)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1492)
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#1491)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1490)
    ok, leading wagons are Marshal and ignoramus

    what are your thoughts on those two?
    Still pretty neutral at the moment. could go either way
    in that case, I strongly suggest giving each iso a quick once-over and seeing what you think
    I don't evaluate through isos in games unless I'm evil. that's not how I play
    in that case I strongly suggest you use some means to get an opinion of those two for posterity

    because those are the two
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    Game Thread in that case, I strongly suggest giving each iso...

    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#1491)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1490)
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#1489)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1488)
    are you current?
    Definitely not at all.
    ok, leading wagons are Marshal and ignoramus

    what are your thoughts on those two?
    Still pretty neutral at the moment. could go either way
    in that case, I strongly suggest giving each iso a quick once-over and seeing what you think
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    Game Thread ok, leading wagons are Marshal and ignoramus ...

    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#1489)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1488)
    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#1486)
    Hey. Just wanted to check in again
    are you current?
    Definitely not at all.
    ok, leading wagons are Marshal and ignoramus

    what are your thoughts on those two?
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    Game Thread are you current?

    Quote Originally Posted by WerewolfHunter (#1486)
    Hey. Just wanted to check in again
    are you current?
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    Game Thread Arapocalypse EOD hype??

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    Game Thread I outright laughed at this, well done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1484)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#54)
    i
    I found a good post
    I outright laughed at this, well done.
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    Game Thread Yeah just from activity levels it's tough to read...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shad (#1481)
    He drops a wolf lean on GH before GH shields his top scumspect WWH and then doesn't seem to give a $%#! about the association.

    Not sure how the timing of that lines up with him bailing on the thread in general though.
    Yeah just from activity levels it's tough to read into that exact sort of thing.

    I just don't think his posts are good lol, but that might not be enough/might be a false alarm?
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    Game Thread well see I was initially planning on just...

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#1478)
    ##Vote Marshal
    well see I was initially planning on just outright unvoting and making it 4-4 for a bit, but now I can't do that

    :stare:
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    Game Thread Frog/Shad: Can the two of you convince me,...

    Frog/Shad:

    Can the two of you convince me, based solely on the content of their posts and not mentioning wagon composition, generalities related to volume, associatives, etc, why I should switch my vote to Marshal?

    The alcohol is telling me to do it but that's not enough on its own.
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    Game Thread legit surprised that Ara didn't come in at :00...

    legit surprised that Ara didn't come in at :00 with a sort of "You guys we only have one hour left in the whole year!!!!!!!!!!" comment
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    Game Thread yeah Frog (don't want to quote igno's long wall...

    yeah Frog (don't want to quote igno's long wall again), the fact that Amy is literally first in the playerlist alphabetically nullifies most interesting things you can pull out of it, as Wes mentioned

    useful to a point, just not as much as I thought

    and I'm not super enthralled by the content on its own really
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    Game Thread Yeah so after another iso I still don't like...

    Yeah so after another iso I still don't like igno's posts.

    There's always gonna be that element of doubt, but if he ends up flipping green I'm not gonna go ivemadeahugemistake.jpg.
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    Game Thread aw $%#!, I didn't even realize lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1461)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1455)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#547)
    Reads-list #1 (July 7, 2021; UTC+8)
    Okay I will admit I haven’t been here in so long I think I may have forgotten how to play

    Amy: has Amy played any other longest mafia games before? Because if no, I feel like her coming back after about a month when most people would probably be screwing about is kinda townie

    (to anyone who's played with her a lot before: does she make spurts of effort then dip as town more often or as mafia more often?) p#118’s vibes are pretty good imo, didn’t think/expect Amy to type like this (I thought she’d be more calm? or less rambly) but I think her rambling shows she's actively Thinking About Stuff while typing so I’d say that makes her pretty townie

    P#127 feels different from p#118 so either there’s some w/w going on (I personally don’t think so at the time of writing this but I still need to read more, especially for GH) or Amy wasn’t really Thinking About Stuff while writing this
    Probably means she’s more confident on this set of reads or something

    Her spurt (is that what you call it? English is pain) of posts from p#118-p#129 feels pretty good, I think
    P#155 she didn’t follow up to that but I guess it could be ignored

    Probably projecting here but I think p#503 is townie, reason being forgetting her reason for voting Koba and her saying their posting since her last post was townie feels townie to me
    I tend to forget more often as town because as mafia I got people to rely on if I forget anything
    Her turnaround (is that the correct term?) in p#505 also feels townie like
    It feels natural to me

    There’s another spurt of activity that doesn’t feel as townie as before but still pretty okay

    I’d say she’s town


    GH: all of his posts feel okay (I’ve played with him once as w/w and tbh? I can’t tell the difference someone please help me)

    P#135 feels a teeny bit unaligned
    There’s quite a lot of hedge there that makes me think there’s a chance they’re w/w and the "sorry Amy” is kinda :sus: but given that Amy wasn’t in danger whatsoever there’s also a chance GH is just kinda unsure about this

    Okay I reread it again a few times and this makes me think that if GH flips red, Amy’s most likely next

    P#195 might be veiled TMI for pocketing purposes but no flips yet so idk

    I have no idea about this dude



    Cuth: m
    Town on the basis that he just Doesn’t Care

    I feel like drawing and sleeping again ciao
    question for the peanut gallery:

    do we think this drilldown from igno on Amy is w/w?

    because if there's potential there, that's possible affiliation with both of our leading wagons atm

    (I don't think it is, largely because I think a low-impact wolf doesn't expend this much comparative effort on one of their partners, but am not fully confident in this)
    I don't think I can read into either way with Ampharos being 1st in the multi iso dropdown alphabetically

    Any other person I'd probably agree with you. But yeah...
    aw $%#!, I didn't even realize

    lol
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    Game Thread appreciated regardless I've had Koba as town...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1457)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wesmaster160 (#1456)
    Oh I actually had a game with DkKoba a bit ago where we were in a neighborhood together. Very very similar energy/vibe to here. I have pretty high confidence on them being town.
    I just realized I don't think I ever mentioned this.
    appreciated regardless

    I've had Koba as town for a while but there's always that bit of paranoia just because Koba's from EM and those people are $%#!ing psychopaths when it comes to wolfing sometimes (I mean that in the best possible way)

    so every little bit of reassurance helps
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    Game Thread question for the peanut gallery: do we think...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#547)
    Reads-list #1 (July 7, 2021; UTC+8)
    Okay I will admit I haven’t been here in so long I think I may have forgotten how to play

    Amy: has Amy played any other longest mafia games before? Because if no, I feel like her coming back after about a month when most people would probably be screwing about is kinda townie

    (to anyone who's played with her a lot before: does she make spurts of effort then dip as town more often or as mafia more often?) p#118’s vibes are pretty good imo, didn’t think/expect Amy to type like this (I thought she’d be more calm? or less rambly) but I think her rambling shows she's actively Thinking About Stuff while typing so I’d say that makes her pretty townie

    P#127 feels different from p#118 so either there’s some w/w going on (I personally don’t think so at the time of writing this but I still need to read more, especially for GH) or Amy wasn’t really Thinking About Stuff while writing this
    Probably means she’s more confident on this set of reads or something

    Her spurt (is that what you call it? English is pain) of posts from p#118-p#129 feels pretty good, I think
    P#155 she didn’t follow up to that but I guess it could be ignored

    Probably projecting here but I think p#503 is townie, reason being forgetting her reason for voting Koba and her saying their posting since her last post was townie feels townie to me
    I tend to forget more often as town because as mafia I got people to rely on if I forget anything
    Her turnaround (is that the correct term?) in p#505 also feels townie like
    It feels natural to me

    There’s another spurt of activity that doesn’t feel as townie as before but still pretty okay

    I’d say she’s town


    GH: all of his posts feel okay (I’ve played with him once as w/w and tbh? I can’t tell the difference someone please help me)

    P#135 feels a teeny bit unaligned
    There’s quite a lot of hedge there that makes me think there’s a chance they’re w/w and the "sorry Amy” is kinda :sus: but given that Amy wasn’t in danger whatsoever there’s also a chance GH is just kinda unsure about this

    Okay I reread it again a few times and this makes me think that if GH flips red, Amy’s most likely next

    P#195 might be veiled TMI for pocketing purposes but no flips yet so idk

    I have no idea about this dude



    Cuth: m
    Town on the basis that he just Doesn’t Care

    I feel like drawing and sleeping again ciao
    question for the peanut gallery:

    do we think this drilldown from igno on Amy is w/w?

    because if there's potential there, that's possible affiliation with both of our leading wagons atm

    (I don't think it is, largely because I think a low-impact wolf doesn't expend this much comparative effort on one of their partners, but am not fully confident in this)
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    Game Thread (also thank you for the kind words Frog/Visor, I...

    (also thank you for the kind words Frog/Visor, I don't want this thread to deviate into that, but they are sincerely appreciated)
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    Game Thread I'm not sure about Gnome. There have been...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1451)
    1) Trustworthy Liberal
    2) Frog
    3) GeneralHankerchief
    4) Visorslash
    5) ignoramus
    6) Michelle
    7) lendunistus
    8) jumpluff -> DkKoba
    9) Ampharos
    10) Arapocalypse
    11) Marshal
    12) Garden Gnome -> I've been adamant about Gnome being pure, but I want someone to tell me if I'm wrong please
    13) Wesmaster160
    14) Cuthalion
    15) sheepsaysmeep
    16) Shad
    17) WerewolfHunter

    Ok yes, I think Ara could be Wolf here
    I'm not sure about Gnome. There have been multiple occasions where I haven't liked her posts in the moment/just thinking about them without doing no real follow-up, and then checking out her iso and going "oh ok, nevermind". I'm not sure what this means entirely for her alignment, but I would like her to start taking some more concrete stances next year.
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    Game Thread yeah I get you just expressing some...

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#1448)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1447)
    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#1446)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1445)
    no shad?
    no, no shad, i think shad is a pretty crafty bloke and im finding it hard to go yes he is just a villager
    interesting, ok

    read for me is a combo of $%#! I just don't think wolves think of saying (perhaps mitigated by him being a crafty bloke, but still), and the sheer number of occasions he's had the exact same thought as me but managed to cut down my multiple paragraphs expressing the thought in a sentence or two

    gonna be hard for me to think of him otherwise anytime soon
    im not in any rush to kill him hes just not in my 'probably a villager list'
    yeah I get you

    just expressing some elaboration on Shad because I don't think I've ever done so besides "villa, next"
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    Game Thread interesting, ok read for me is a combo of $%#!...

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#1446)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1445)
    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#1443)
    i think frog gh (sue me), wes, dkkoba (light but eh) are all prob villagers

    frog, do you still wolfread ara
    no shad?
    no, no shad, i think shad is a pretty crafty bloke and im finding it hard to go yes he is just a villager
    interesting, ok

    read for me is a combo of $%#! I just don't think wolves think of saying (perhaps mitigated by him being a crafty bloke, but still), and the sheer number of occasions he's had the exact same thought as me but managed to cut down my multiple paragraphs expressing the thought in a sentence or two

    gonna be hard for me to think of him otherwise anytime soon
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    Game Thread no shad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visorslash (#1443)
    i think frog gh (sue me), wes, dkkoba (light but eh) are all prob villagers

    frog, do you still wolfread ara
    no shad?
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    Game Thread I already have her as a villager, so I don't need...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#1442)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1440)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#1439)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1437)
    what changed between now and earlier today when Michelle was an outed wolf from meta?
    Read her iso and it had more than lost count indicated, think she’s still wolfy but not lock
    can you point me to a couple of specifics?
    I don’t feel like it, she just had a solid amount of long analysis posts with quotes and stuff, which makes me think she cld be in v meta, cuz it’s more content than I thought

    You can find it urself
    I already have her as a villager, so I don't need to

    I'm more asking so I can get a better read on *your* line of thinking
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    Game Thread can you point me to a couple of specifics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#1439)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1437)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#1433)
    Honestly frog I could level with shad and mich being v

    I just think ignos a lame chop, GH is a powerwolf but nobody wants to touch him so I’m going for his underwhelming partner instead.

    I’d rather vote any and throw that forward as an option than self pres on a slot that to me is mega =rand. I’ll vote Igno if I have to but yea lol
    what changed between now and earlier today when Michelle was an outed wolf from meta?
    Read her iso and it had more than lost count indicated, think she’s still wolfy but not lock
    can you point me to a couple of specifics?
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    Game Thread what changed between now and earlier today when...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#1433)
    Honestly frog I could level with shad and mich being v

    I just think ignos a lame chop, GH is a powerwolf but nobody wants to touch him so I’m going for his underwhelming partner instead.

    I’d rather vote any and throw that forward as an option than self pres on a slot that to me is mega =rand. I’ll vote Igno if I have to but yea lol
    what changed between now and earlier today when Michelle was an outed wolf from meta?
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    Game Thread anyway yeah, time to start drinking lol

    anyway yeah, time to start drinking lol
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    Game Thread (that said, don't let the above in spoilers...

    (that said, don't let the above in spoilers influence your own voting decisions. make your best call same as always. I'm just explaining my own POV)
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    Game Thread Ok, so re: igno Short version is that yeah,...

    Ok, so re: igno

    Short version is that yeah, Marshal seems like a hit and I do like her wagon comp better than igno's, but dammit, igno's is *mine* and I feel committed now.

    Long version gets somewhat into tetchy territory so I'll put it in spoilers, it's not super long though:

    Anni 21 and the way it ended pretty much killed most if not all enthusiasm I have for mafia as a whole in general, and MU specifically. I don't know if I'll be gone for good, I've seen too many "retirements" that haven't stuck to say I won't be the same, but at this moment this game is the one thing remaining that's tying me to this community, and while I've enjoyed interacting with friends and acquaintances these past two months, I'm also ready to make a clean break.

    Ignoramus a) dying and b) being a wolf puts me first in line to buy the N1 kill. I've been igno's main and loudest pusher, after all. I'm really looking forward to being the N1 kill, for reasons mentioned just above. So while if I take a step back and look at it with NOTHING BUT ABSOLUTE COLD LOGIC, I say that Marshal *may* be a better chop, I'm still holding onto that hope.

    And here's the thing: I still think igno's a wolf! Sure, there's the uncertainty, but there's the uncertainty around Marshal as well! They're roughly equivalent in my mind, and ahead of everyone else currently, both viable and unviable. So selfishness is my tiebreaker.
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    Game Thread took all of three seconds after I called up the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1418)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1416)
    Quote Originally Posted by Frog (#1415)
    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1414)
    I've had him as my top villager ever since I came back to the thread in October
    awesome

    Since you requested Wes to come into the thread and drop thoughts on Marshal, I think you largely vibed with what Wes had to throw down, but can you place them in your solid town list today?
    Yes

    I have also had him as a villager from early on

    Shad is the one person in the entire game who, at this moment, eod1, the second of December Anno Domini 2021, I would be gobsmacked if he was a wolf

    Wes isn't quite there but he's probably my second overall
    I thought so, but I just wanted to make sure. I'm not trying to do a gotcha, I'm just trying to make this coherent for you, me, an anyone else reading along.

    I read you posted this:

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief (#1215)
    If Shad and Wes are this far out in Michelle being a villager then I'm cool with upgrading her to my "save" tier.

    Which is then like, a defacto, ok, your two pretty high town reads are saying Michelle is Town, you can vibe with it.

    Finally I'd like to bring you to me. I think we have a vibe of disconnect going on, where I'm suspicious of you, and I think you're just more annoyed by me than you are suspicious of me, which, understandable, I'm trying to figure the game out.

    So if I'm wrong on you, and you can move past you're annoyance of me and see me as obv Town, I'll stop here. Can you do this for just one moment please?

    Now take a look at the current vote count wagons.

    Keep in mind this world.

    This is more or less where I'm living right now.

    So take a look at the people joining you on igno.

    Can you understand why I'm skeptical of you? And why I think the Marshal wagon is both pure and likely a hit?
    took all of three seconds after I called up the vc to see what you mean lol

    the igno wagon isn't *bad* from my POV but the Marshal one is definitely better

    (bolded is fully correct btw)

    anyway I'll talk about my own thoughts in a new post that deserves proper formatting and everything, please stand by
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