anyway, i gotta sleep
will try to dig into iso’s tomorrow
Type: Posts; User: Hally
anyway, i gotta sleep
will try to dig into iso’s tomorrow
this is the only one i see where you talk about it, zack
zack, do you have thoughts on those three posts i quoted about van/ladd?
i really feel like vanity was just looking for a reason to turn on me now and my (admittedly not excellent) push on her is giving her the excuse she needs
if i think about it from an spf/vanity pov, it feels to me like she realizes spf is going down today and she’s planning to take me to F3 over zack, so she’s flipping on me to lay the groundwork for pitting ladd and me against each other in F3 since the other world i’m considering is ladd/spf and the other world he’s considering is me/spf
from a vanity/ladd standpoint, it doesn’t make as much sense to turn on me because spf thinks zack is with ladd and is clearing me, so vanity can just kill me if ladd dies today and take zack to F3 with spf
in any case, i really dislike how sharply she’s turned on me today and it seems like she’s been angling for it ever since she brought up zack’s wolf game to try to clear him and put me below him in her reads
also i don’t like how you and spf keep suggesting i should be paranoid of zack
if you think i’m wrong and he’s a wolf, show me what in his posts is wolfy
i asked spf to do that and she hasn’t yet, so if you want to take a shot at it go for it and give me an actual reason to doubt him
but i’m just going to start getting paranoid because you and spf expect that i should, and trying to get me/zack to stop clearing each other is exactly what the wolves want to happen if we’re v/v
also re: not solving ladd, i’ve said i found his posts today villagery
i’ve also said the two teams i see him on are ladd/spf and ladd/you because i’m clearing zack
if it’s ladd/spf who i vote today doesn’t matter, and i made three long posts exploring ladd/you
i’ve said i intend to explore it more when i get to iso’ing tomorrow
what is your issue with any of this?
meanwhile i have all of this:
i don’t really believe you think my posts are so bad here that they outweigh all the things throughout the entire game that made me your top villager
you can say that you’re starting from scratch and threw out all your reads but i really don’t buy that you as a villager would seriously go from having me as your top villager to top wolf in such a short time
it really feels like you’re just looking for a reason to turn on me honestly
i do remember ladd saying after rocks that they should have just tried to pick one wolf, male them look as clear as possible via interactions and send them deep but like, ladd hard bussing vanity in his first post seems like not the way to do it? eventually he would have to bus empoof too and then what? win in F3? people get paranoid of ladd when he lives to D2 let alone F3 so i really don’t see how that would work
or was the plan for them to send vanity deep by having ladd try really hard to kill her D1, somehow fail and then have vanity never get vig’d? i mean, wat lol
i just really don’t see how they ever think that would work out?
that’s why if anything i think ladd/spf is more likely honestly? because at least if that’s the team they bussed each other when the vigs weren’t a threat anymore and it was clear one of them would safely make endgame/could win in F3
idk, am i wrong?
i will say that i agree with zack that ladd’s progression on vanity has been really ???
i just don’t really get the point of going that hard on vanity so soon when they had to know before the game even started that empoof would barely be posting (he even said prerand he would barely play)
would ladd really come out bussing vanity, a very good wolf who would actually be able to post a lot? i mean, lissa’s wagon only because a thing in the last hour and before that vanity easily could have gone through especially with ladd being the one pushing her
it happened to work out that lissa gained traction at the end and not vanity but how could they know that? what if vanity went over or got vig’d that night and then ladd never died? by the time he got to F3 after dunking on a wolf D1 he’d be like… pretty outed from never dying right?
it happened to work out that they both made it to lylo and if they’re w/w they look great from it but like, it really could have gone horribly wrong very easily if things didn’t go exactly as they did
it really seems like playing with fire, idk
- would two wolves vote vanity at the end knowing there’s a vig that could shoot the counterwagon? why not bus empoof instead or vote lissa?
- would vanity vote off wagon on panther? if ladd and empoof were both bussing her? if two wolves were in vig range at EoD why not bus empoof back just to maximize cred in the event one of them getting shot?
it doesn’t quite fit but i guess wolves can do whatever and they may have been distracted by empoof’s weiner pics
alright, ime it’s usually villagers who do it but obviously ladd is smart enough to know it would look vilagery so i don’t think it’s a point for or against him and acknowledge he could 100% do it as a wolf
spf, i think that both of our times would be better spent looking back at previous days because the answers are there not here, at least imo
we could go in circles forever talking about this stuff but i’d rather we save our posts for digging into D1-3 and trying to solve this thing
thanks for being a good sport regardless of your alignment
you think it’s wolfy because it’s rude? i think villagers are usually less likely to care about that and just vote whenever they’re confident, and it was pretty obvious to me either he or you would the other from how you went at it last day
i get regardless of your alignment you’re gonna say everything he does is wolfy but i don’t think snapping you is outing because it “goes against common courtesy”
that seems kinda ridiculous
hats off to ladd if he’s with vanity and snapped spf because zack and i both said we thought it was spf/vanity
i dunno, i don’t really feel like spf is posting like a villager who thinks she’s being set up as the game losing mislunch
i can check the syndicate game though
the reason i asked what your plan would be is because you said it wouldn’t be to try to turn me against zack, but if you’re teamed with vanity i don’t think you have another angle here besides that? what else could you do realistically?
how possible do you see ladd/vanity as being?
both vanity and spf have gotten annoyed at their pushers asking them to confirm their stances and used to accuse the askers of not reading their posts
i’m going to call this wolfy because it seems like something a wolf would use to discredit villagers pushing them
i’m a big proponent of wowee usage and it’s even been suggested the wowee dog should be renamed hally, but even i wouldn’t wowee in such a grave circumstance as that
and i believe that this is the third suspiciously placed emoji that spf has used this game
i rest my case, your honor
i think if she’s a wolf and ladd is a villager she knows the only way she gets out of this is if she appeals to me directly
you tend to be more stubborn than i am and i’m more susceptible to getting pocketed especially by her, so i could totally see her thinking that appealing to you is a waste and her only chance is to get me paranoid enough of you that i stop clearing you, which would make me more likely to not vote her
also i don’t really like how vanity has been harping on votes, first with saying that spf is wolfy for not crossing immediately and then telling me if i’m so sure it’s spf i should vote her and now saying she wants to vote spf because zack and i won’t
it strikes me as something a wolf is more likely to care about
i feel like i get a lot antsier with votes in lylo as a wolf than as a villager
i may really be confbiased but that spf/vanity interaction seemed kinda theatery to me
i was just about to ask you what you think of vanity’s posts today, then i refreshed
i guess that answers that lol
(still curious what you think of her posts before that one)
i don’t know why you think it’s zack/ladd over me/ladd
you acknowledge that ladd is compatible with me but dismiss it because town won’t get there on me, but isn’t it equally true that i won’t get there on zack of he’s a wolf? aren’t both worlds equally hopeless fypov?
i grant that he could make sense as a wolf from your perspective, i’m just being honest and saying i doubt i will get there on him if he is but you can try to convince me by showing how he’s wolfy and i’ll do my best to consider it
it’s really gonna take more to convince me zack is a wolf though than talking about how compatible he is with ladd
remember that if you’re v i don’t have the information that you have - i don’t know whether ladd is a wolf
what’s wolfy about zack individually?
spf, your posts feel more like you’re spinning a narrative than actually evaluating things to me
if it’s a zack/ladd team i will 100% take the blame for the loss but if that’s the case zack has pocketed me so much that i don’t think i will ever get there and i really apologize if that’s the case
i did reconsider - i went from having spf as a villager to having her as a wolf, and generally my reads have been far from stagnant
what reconsidering are you looking for that i haven’t shown already?
also this is nitpicky but the underlined is phrased weirdly - do you just want to demonstrate that or is it really true?
since you looked at zack’s meta, here’s my most recent wolf game (i linked it yesterday and don’t remember if you look at it):
i think i posted pretty well D1, but you can tell me if it seems like how i’m posting this game
how is how i’m playing the day different from how ladd and zack are? they came into the day with the same view as me and have been posting accordingly just as i’ve been
i don’t see how you’re making the distinction between what i’ve been doing and what they’ve been doing, unless your issue is just that you specifically dislike my posts pushing you which is fair enough
fwiw i believe you think my issue with your perspective is NAI regardless of your alignment
and you think zack is clear off meta? so that would make me a wolf fypov?
i just want to know if i have that right
either way at least one of ladd/spf is a wolf so i definitely owe amrock an apology for not liking either of those pushes
i think he was even floating a ladd/spf team, so i should check that out
during the night i kept thinking about that sequence early itg where spf wolf read katze’s entrance because it felt like tryharding and then i said it was wolfy to accuse kat of that and weird that spf didn’t point out vanity’s posts which seemed even more forced, and it just seemed to make sense with a spf/vanity team where she didn’t want to call out her teammate so quickly and i was just like
to me ladd is hitting these little notes in his perspective that just feel right
even the post about how apogee didn’t flip immediately because of the hammer and it was worse seeing it after waiting what felt like forever struck me as villagery because like, yeah it felt like an eternity to me too
and the stuff about spf’s perspective being wolfy is hard for a wolf to fake on a villager, though it doesn’t mean much if they’re w/w obviously
i dunno though, generally i just think his posts feel more right than spf and vanity’s
vanity, it’s not a worldview, i just think people usually respond to things they feel bad about or regret by fixating on them and ruminating on them, and i think a villager who wanted to figure stuff out would probably have been spurred by that regret to think about things more
but obviously i’m not gonna convince you your perspective is wolfy and i may be wrong about it
let’s talk about something else
how confident are you spf/ladd aren’t w/w? if you’re clearing zack and me, can you case spf/ladd as the team? or are you not clearing me anymore?
i felt terrible too but my response to that was to ruminate on all the things i regretted or missed that lead to me going to F5 after pushing villagers all game
i could not shut my brain off about this game even when i wanted to, so seeing you say you felt terrible but hardly thought about anything seems fake to me