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    Sticky: I'd second this!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae (#120)
    I would like to propose a new category: The best day of werewolf

    I think this category could highlight the exceptional days of the game. It could be due to high level play, big swings in win equity, a series of especially hilarious events, or whatever criteria you determine "best" to be.

    If this category is approved, I would like to nominate the final day (final four) of the Marblelympics Team Game where all four players brought it hard. The "peeked" villager Jackrito consistently dropped awesome takes on the situation while letting the 3 uncleared people build their cases. At various points during the day all 3 uncleareds had strong cases made against them. At the end of the day the village was able to pull through but the entire day was worth a read for high level end game play.
    I'd second this!!!!
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    Game Thread Really hope this is right, sorry if not!!!!!

    Really hope this is right, sorry if not!!!!!
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    Game Thread I don't think it is, actually, regardless of...

    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#523)
    I'm not ready to say dadv in a game where there's been a lot of dead air throughout
    I don't think it is, actually, regardless of either Fleur/Ike's alignment; this has been quite the active EoD!!!!!

    Besides the top wagons of course!!
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    Game Thread No, but I wasn't really expecting him to have...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#516)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#511)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#486)
    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#479)
    what are your thoughts on her w/v read on me/ara without even considering it could be v/v?
    Oh, it’s completely wrong. But like, she does that. Remember how long it took to convince her that if she thought Catty was scum for protecting Kruze she should lynch Kruze first?
    Sure, but she was actively evaluating/solving there for that, where she hasn't exactly engaged with anyone else here!!!!

    Yes she wasn't here for the first half of toDay, probably not alignment-indicative; but her posts when here did not have depth to them!!
    Have Ike’s had depth?
    No, but I wasn't really expecting him to have depth!!!!

    For Fleur yes, I was expecting her to; you've seen her as town, you know how she gets into games/how easily she can project town!!!
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    Game Thread Dya's EoD feels decently solid here regardless,...


    Dya's EoD feels decently solid here regardless, just saying!!!!
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    Game Thread Sure, but she was actively evaluating/solving...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#486)
    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#479)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#470)
    I just don’t agree that she’s scummy.
    what are your thoughts on her w/v read on me/ara without even considering it could be v/v?
    Oh, it’s completely wrong. But like, she does that. Remember how long it took to convince her that if she thought Catty was scum for protecting Kruze she should lynch Kruze first?
    Sure, but she was actively evaluating/solving there for that, where she hasn't exactly engaged with anyone else here!!!!

    Yes she wasn't here for the first half of toDay, probably not alignment-indicative; but her posts when here did not have depth to them!!
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    Game Thread KruZe RagingIke297 Either of you around?

    @KruZe @RagingIke297 Either of you around?
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    Game Thread She's posted just marginally more than Ike,...

    Quote Originally Posted by TracingWoodgrains (#474)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#460)
    Quote Originally Posted by TracingWoodgrains (#408)
    ##Vote RagingIke297

    So that it’s clear exactly why I’m voting Ike: I suspect others as well, but at least they’re defending themselves. It’s much easier to work with known, visible quantities than with someone who refuses to provide a single iota of useful information. I wasn’t around to vote Ike last game and I feel bad that he might go first twice, but I just don’t see any other choice as obvious as him.
    What are your thoughts on Fleur/the discussion around Fleur?
    I’m not convinced she isn’t a wolf, but I am convinced I should actually see her play before deciding
    She's posted just marginally more than Ike, though; can you go into briefly about just... your differences between how you're evaluating the two?
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    Game Thread My main point isn't really that though, it's just...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#470)
    I just don’t agree that she’s scummy.
    My main point isn't really that though, it's just that I don't think she's been towny!!!!

    And I do think she's had at least some time to become the slightest bit towny even if very limited, which I don't think she has!!!
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    Game Thread The townread there was a bit abrupt I guess,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#459)
    ash is like... oddly protective of fleur?

    can this be w/w?
    The townread there was a bit abrupt I guess, but... sure, would be something to revisit!!

    Personally I just don't want to get into that sort of pre-flip associatives much!!!
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    Game Thread What are your thoughts on Fleur/the discussion...

    Quote Originally Posted by TracingWoodgrains (#408)
    ##Vote RagingIke297

    So that it’s clear exactly why I’m voting Ike: I suspect others as well, but at least they’re defending themselves. It’s much easier to work with known, visible quantities than with someone who refuses to provide a single iota of useful information. I wasn’t around to vote Ike last game and I feel bad that he might go first twice, but I just don’t see any other choice as obvious as him.
    What are your thoughts on Fleur/the discussion around Fleur?
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    Game Thread Can you elaborate a bit on the Catty read? Just,...

    Quote Originally Posted by DeKay (#435)
    Here are my quick thoughts so far:

    KruZe (Probably town): Same as I mentioned before.

    Hally (Probably town): Same as I mentioned before.

    Zen Blade (Leaning town): Same as I mentioned before.

    Ash Lael (Leaning town): I'm getting a better feel on Ash being town due to him posting about his mafia win. I believe that he won't do that as scum.

    RagingIke297 (Slightly Leaning town 60/40): His post here seems sincere to me. #296

    TracingWoodgrains (Slightly Leaning town 60/40): I say I wanna believe him and Ash saying that Trace loves being scum and would def seem more excited about this game if he was one.

    Fleur (Slightly Leaning town 55/45): Her vote on Ara seems to me like what Fleur would do but it's still early for me to be sure she's totally town.

    Penguin022 (50/50): I'm honestly back and forth on him. Some of his posts seems like he's putting in thoughts which means he's scumhunting, but I have this paranoia that he could also be doing that as scum. So I'm not so sure.

    Daniel (50/50): I feel like Dan in this game, is just a bit more pushy or going for things that are bit of a reach. I don't agree with him and the thing about Ash. He also seems to be questioning me (earlier on) a lot about not following up and stuff
    and also asking about Fleur. I'm just not getting the same vibe as him in G8 for today.

    Catty91 (50/50): I'm also not getting that spark from Catty in G8. He was more analytical on each player in his reads which I don't see him doing much here.

    Arapocalypse (Slightly Leaning scum 60/40, possibly not buddies with Dya): What I don't like about Ara is that she said she had no idea on me on her latest scum read #287 but then asked Daniel why he thought I was being different, and that she thought what I did is something town DeKay from G8 would do #338, so she's being kinda contradicting to me.

    Dyachei (Slightly Leaning scum 60/40, possibly not buddies with Ara): I'm still just not getting any strong townie vibes from her. I can see that she's also scumhunting and stuff but I'm assuming she's a good player and would do this as scum as well, and I'm just being paranoid. I think it's likely that she's not buddies with Ara is one of them is mafia. Unless they're trying to distance themselves from each other which could be a good thing to do but also kinda risky at this point.
    Can you elaborate a bit on the Catty read? Just, more of your thoughts on how he's acted in this game; is this mainly based off of not thinking he's as towny as in game 8 or just in general?

    I'm not surprised it seems contradicting; P#287 had a broken quote where it was Tracing's readlist that had no idea on you, not mine!!!
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    Game Thread I know it isn't, but I'm comparing it to that...

    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#404)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#401)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#362)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#356)
    It's not supposed to come off as snippy or personal; I'm simply stating a fact here in that reading me off of my supposed differing hype levels(as either alignment!) are fairly cop-out reads!!!!
    If she genuinely believes that’s your tell, how is it a cop out?
    It's like... I'm not really sure how to say it?

    It's like the people who meme in spec chat saying that my alignment depends on how many exclamation marks I use; does that comparison make sense? Just, feels like it's something very easy/obvious to say, with no depth to it!!

    Could be it's just more nuanced in Dya's head than them just saying that I have "flat hype" or whatever, but if so then I'm not really getting that!!!
    it's not about exclamation points
    I know it isn't, but I'm comparing it to that read because usually reads like that have about the same level of depth!!!!
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    Game Thread Also, not sure if I mentioned but I think...

    Also, not sure if I mentioned but I think Dya/Fleur are probably not w/w; not that strong of a read considering I'd have to go back and check what I bookmarked, but could be worth keeping in mind!!

    Also been very lowkey liking Dya a bit more lately; might be because of the posting-freely thing helping!!!
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    Game Thread She did, somewhat? She voted me back for it, if I...

    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#409)
    fleur didn't even address ara's response. or zen's response that was more in line with fleur's
    She did, somewhat? She voted me back for it, if I recall correctly!!!!
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    Game Thread For what it's worth, I think you've been...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#388)
    my head has like. not been in this game at all

    and i apologize for that

    did not intend to potato this

    but im having trouble forming good thoughts atm
    For what it's worth, I think you've been projecting town pretty well regardless of alignment, but I also just think you've been projecting town as town!!!!
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    Game Thread Is it really, though? Fleur suspected me last...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catty91 (#378)
    I feel like Fleur may be the better vote today that’s not Penguin. Then again, if Fleur is scum and Ara is town, it seems like a pretty ballsy move to go after her given the reaction we’ve seen ������
    Is it really, though?

    Fleur suspected me last game, and she knows that I was townreading her regardless; is it really that much of a stretch that she could think that it's "safe" to suspect me here as mafia?
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    Game Thread Yeah see, that's my issue; while I actively...

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel (#371)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#368)
    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel (#350)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#338)
    I feel like perhaps I'm being a bit disingenuous saying this, but would you say that Ike is the type of player to look at how they played game 8 and think yeah, he's going to start being active in games from now on? Trying to phrase this in a way that doesn't come off the wrong way... my point is that some players are consistently chill in games and treat every game similarly, and others actively work on improving their play through every game that they play; Ike seems to be in the category of the latter!!!

    Not really sure how alignment-indicative that is, but those are my thoughts, anyway!!
    in the last game, Ike gave more reads? he wasn't very confident in them, but they were there. So its not like he'd be forcing himself to do something he never does. He's also been oddly absent for EoD too? Im not very convinced of town yet tbh
    I don't recall him having given any reads at all? Though that might just be me; it wouldn't take long to check... I'll take a look!!

    To be clear, I'm not really arguing that he's town here; it's mainly just that I'd like to try and give him another day/not auto-default to him, as well as prevent people from reading him off of stuff which I don't think is necessarily mafia-indicative!!!!!

    I honestly don't really know how one is supposed to read him... am lowkey just hoping he actually starts doing things on day 2 and gets obvious!!!
    I recall him sussing me last game and I believe there were others too

    Its like, between Fluer and Ike I know fluer can deliver. But that would also be unfair to not give Ike another shot which makes me feel bad in both ways
    Yeah see, that's my issue; while I actively suspect Fleur more than Ike... I'm not really sure if I actually want her to die the most if it were between the two? I guess part of it is also, I'm not extremely confident on her being mafia, and also I feel like if she's town then I/we would be able to easily find her tomorrow!!

    Taking into account a lot of things though... I'm somewhat leaning yes, probably!!!!

    :/
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    Game Thread It's like... I'm not really sure how to say it? ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#362)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#356)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#343)
    That's a bit of a boring read which I thought you would know better to make, but sure!!!
    Is it just me or is Ara getting a bit snippy and personal?
    It's not supposed to come off as snippy or personal; I'm simply stating a fact here in that reading me off of my supposed differing hype levels(as either alignment!) are fairly cop-out reads!!!!
    If she genuinely believes that’s your tell, how is it a cop out?
    It's like... I'm not really sure how to say it?

    It's like the people who meme in spec chat saying that my alignment depends on how many exclamation marks I use; does that comparison make sense? Just, feels like it's something very easy/obvious to say, with no depth to it!!

    Could be it's just more nuanced in Dya's head than them just saying that I have "flat hype" or whatever, but if so then I'm not really getting that!!!
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    Game Thread ...Oh wow, he actually gave a lot more thoughts...

    ...Oh wow, he actually gave a lot more thoughts on game 8 than I remember, oops!!!!

    :/

    I'm just majorly conflicted though, considering that like... it's just that I don't want to make the exact same mistake again, you know? And I'm not sure the difference in play is distinct enough for me to be comfortable going there!!!!

    I do understand where the people who are saying "he's giving less content than game 8" are coming from though, and semi-agree there, but still!!
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    Game Thread I don't recall him having given any reads at all?...

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel (#350)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#338)
    I feel like perhaps I'm being a bit disingenuous saying this, but would you say that Ike is the type of player to look at how they played game 8 and think yeah, he's going to start being active in games from now on? Trying to phrase this in a way that doesn't come off the wrong way... my point is that some players are consistently chill in games and treat every game similarly, and others actively work on improving their play through every game that they play; Ike seems to be in the category of the latter!!!

    Not really sure how alignment-indicative that is, but those are my thoughts, anyway!!
    in the last game, Ike gave more reads? he wasn't very confident in them, but they were there. So its not like he'd be forcing himself to do something he never does. He's also been oddly absent for EoD too? Im not very convinced of town yet tbh
    I don't recall him having given any reads at all? Though that might just be me; it wouldn't take long to check... I'll take a look!!

    To be clear, I'm not really arguing that he's town here; it's mainly just that I'd like to try and give him another day/not auto-default to him, as well as prevent people from reading him off of stuff which I don't think is necessarily mafia-indicative!!!!!

    I honestly don't really know how one is supposed to read him... am lowkey just hoping he actually starts doing things on day 2 and gets obvious!!!
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    Game Thread That's my point, yes!!!!!!!!! Also saying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#353)
    i think ara and dya are likely both town

    and if so that makes fleur’s read on both of them... quite scummy imo

    like “im sheeping dya on ara but i also dont trust dya and if im wrong on ara then dya is wolfy”

    like... ??? no
    That's my point, yes!!!!!!!!!

    Also saying "there's one mafia between these two people" is inherently pingy in and of itself, but having seen Fleur's town game I do think she has greater depth of solving than that as town!!!!!
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    Game Thread It's not supposed to come off as snippy or...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#343)
    That's a bit of a boring read which I thought you would know better to make, but sure!!!
    Is it just me or is Ara getting a bit snippy and personal?
    It's not supposed to come off as snippy or personal; I'm simply stating a fact here in that reading me off of my supposed differing hype levels(as either alignment!) are fairly cop-out reads!!!!
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    Game Thread EOD HYPE LET'S GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    EOD HYPE LET'S GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Game Thread POSTING FREEDOM HYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    POSTING FREEDOM HYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Game Thread For the bolded, just going to say that that often...

    Quote Originally Posted by DeKay (#333)
    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel (#331)
    Quote Originally Posted by DeKay (#330)
    Why do you think Fleur would think Ara could be lynched? I know some people are a bit wary of Ara but I don't think Ara could be a lead wagon for day 1.
    i mean, why vote for someone and leave for the night when you don't think they can possibly be lynched?
    Oh. Hmm, I don't know. ������ Maybe she just wants to go with gut feeling even tho it's not a popular opinion?

    But I would assume a mafia would actually try to vote for someone who is town and is on a wagon or at least in the running to being eliminated, right?
    For the bolded, just going to say that that often not true; it all depends on how they're trying to execute the mafia agenda where various reasons can factor into deciding where they'll vote, including considering how they'll look in the end/setting up for later days/that sort of stuff!!

    Noting as well that it had pinged me that she was very careful about where her vote would land when last leaving the thread before EoD/being concerned about who would get eliminated, the concern of which I'm not seeing here!!!
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    Game Thread I mean, I agree with wanting to play with Fleur...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#315)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#308)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#291)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#288)
    Hey KruZe!!!!

    Too much mafia hype for only 50 posts; I've attempted to pace myself by force-leaving the thread once in a while, though whether or not it's been successful is a different question!!!

    Did you end up looking at Penguin again by the way, and why haven't you brought it up again since? Also, Ike vote: why? Also, just thoughts in general on other people?

    So this is where I am right now:

    Dya - Lock Town, throwing away the key. If you’re scum Dya, consider me pocketed. I love her little snarky post above about people agreeing with her but still wolfreading her for it. It’s so real.

    Trace - Town. I thought he was off his activity level, and that wallpost above just drips with honesty. Yeah, he’s a good liar, but he’s a good truth teller too.

    Zen - Yeah ok, he’s town too. I was holding off saying so just due to his good tone, but I think now that he’s not just being open and sincere, but that he’s doing things that are, for him, town indicative. Specifically while I think his play-slightly-scummy-to-not-get-nightkilled strategy is highly questionable completely stupid, he obviously believes in it. So him complaining about going too high on people’s readlists is something I do see town Zen doing and wolf Zen not doing.

    Catty, DeKay, Daniel - still wrestling with this group. I have Catty a bit higher and the other two a bit lower, but they’re all bound up in a fair bit of uncertainty and realistically it’s going to take a while longer before I can have confident opinions about these people.

    Ara, Hally - I don’t trust my own ability to read these two. However I’ve decided I’m trusting Dya so I will also cautiously trust her reads on them. Hally gets to be town, Ara does not.

    Kruze, Fleur - I like what I’ve seen, but I want to see more.

    Penguin - still don’t like him. His earlier posts were worse, but his later ones still set me off. Maybe I’m biased because a lot of them were directed at me, but I definitely felt like he was trying to take me down, as opposed to trying to figure me out.

    Ike - look, I don’t mind the idea of a day pass for the d1 mislynch. But not if you’re not going to do anything with it. This guy is hiding, he said so himself. If a wagon on Ike starts up 30 min from EoD I am going to feel very tempted by it.
    Zen Blade read is about identical to mine, think that's something I'm fine with for now... though I'll toss in the slightest bit of tinfoil, just for him!!!

    What from Fleur have you liked? I'm assuming you're referring to #275, which is... ???

    Which posts of Penguin's have set you off?

    Regarding Ike, like I've said already I won't be doing that; I'm a little surprised at people suspecting him at the moment because like... having seen his day 1 before, are you really expecting much more from him?


    On Fleur, yes, I like P#275. Not necessarily as a piece of reliable analysis, but as a mindset indicator. She’s hunting, she’s making a read, she’s re-evaluating that read, and she’s considering the implications if she’s wrong, all in one short post.

    I’m not ready to lock her town just off that, but it feels very like she did in g8.

    Penguin’s series of posts P#207 P#208 P#210 P#214 set me off. The way he attacked me did not make me feel like he thought he’d found something. It felt like he was trying to create something.

    Like he’s getting stuck into me for... Trace agreeing with me about how I play? Unless he’s suggesting we’re a wolf team together, there’s nothing suspicious about that.

    I think he’s counterattacking me because I’m voting him, and the accuracy or truth of his accusations is kinda irrelevant to him.

    On Ike, there is a difference between 15ish D1 posts and exactly 1.

    Let me ask you this: if Ike had rolled wolf, what behaviour would you have expected?
    Fleur read: she gave three (3) one-liner associative reads in her third post (which is all she said at that point after saying she'd caught up), and you were already down to put her as light town? I seriously don't know what to say to that; I mean seriously, can you take a moment, read that out loud, and say that to me with a straight face please? How is that someone who is invested in working with others to solve the game, both with and without considering her meta?

    Regarding Penguin, I don't really get the sense that your interactions with Trace were his main concern? It was more the other stuff like the things with Daniel, which I personally think is more playstyle-indicative of you; I simply think he's done enough to pass the bar of towniness, for toDay anyway!!! Your concerns have been noted however; I'm also just mostly interested in seeing where he goes with certain reads, yours included... but I don't think it in and of itself is currently particularly indicative of him being of the mafia alignment!!!

    For Ike, I have literally no idea; do you think he literally just posts more of nothing as town? Also noting that he barely said anything until people voted him, like that popping out of the woodwork at EoD 1 at my vote; maybe that should tell us something!!

    To clarify: I think reading him off of today is essentially just a coinflip here considering his... attitude towards day 1, and if you feel better about literally everyone else and want to take that conflip, then that's up to you I guess!!! Legitimate question: do you actually see a real difference between his posts in game 8 and here, or is it just that his posts have no substance in them/fewer posts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleur (#295)
    Sucks that I have to go to bed now, but I will leave this here:

    ##Vote Arapocalypse

    I do not like her vote on me given that I just said I suspect her and I already named reasons why I find her suspicious.


    Other people I find suspicious:

    Zen Blade: He is so different from last game. He seems very sheepy somehow.
    Dyachei: Depending on what Ara flips for reasons already specified before.
    Daniel: He is way too passive. Last game he was engaging more, he seems cautious this game.


    I have Penguin on a bit scum lean, but more leaning neutral.

    I have Ash as Town and a slight Town lean on Hally and KruZe.


    I will go to bed now, but this is where I'm at. Good Night!
    @ Fleur If you're town, have you considered... trying to update how you read me? It seems like you're simply continuing to try and read me off of things that are not alignment-indicative, and it's starting to get a bit old for a second game, when you know for a fact that your previous read was obviously wrong!!!

    How exactly does Zen Blade seem different from last game? Did you get the sense that he was not sheepy there and why do you think his actions here are mafia-indicative?

    What is your individual read on Dya, completely independent from their read on me?

    Noting that you're probably not going to see this until toMorrow, but would appreciate thoughts regardless!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by RagingIke297 (#296)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#288)
    Hey KruZe!!!!

    Too much mafia hype for only 50 posts; I've attempted to pace myself by force-leaving the thread once in a while, though whether or not it's been successful is a different question!!!

    Did you end up looking at Penguin again by the way, and why haven't you brought it up again since? Also, Ike vote: why? Also, just thoughts in general on other people?

    So this is where I am right now:

    Dya - Lock Town, throwing away the key. If you’re scum Dya, consider me pocketed. I love her little snarky post above about people agreeing with her but still wolfreading her for it. It’s so real.

    Trace - Town. I thought he was off his activity level, and that wallpost above just drips with honesty. Yeah, he’s a good liar, but he’s a good truth teller too.

    Zen - Yeah ok, he’s town too. I was holding off saying so just due to his good tone, but I think now that he’s not just being open and sincere, but that he’s doing things that are, for him, town indicative. Specifically while I think his play-slightly-scummy-to-not-get-nightkilled strategy is highly questionable completely stupid, he obviously believes in it. So him complaining about going too high on people’s readlists is something I do see town Zen doing and wolf Zen not doing.

    Catty, DeKay, Daniel - still wrestling with this group. I have Catty a bit higher and the other two a bit lower, but they’re all bound up in a fair bit of uncertainty and realistically it’s going to take a while longer before I can have confident opinions about these people.

    Ara, Hally - I don’t trust my own ability to read these two. However I’ve decided I’m trusting Dya so I will also cautiously trust her reads on them. Hally gets to be town, Ara does not.

    Kruze, Fleur - I like what I’ve seen, but I want to see more.

    Penguin - still don’t like him. His earlier posts were worse, but his later ones still set me off. Maybe I’m biased because a lot of them were directed at me, but I definitely felt like he was trying to take me down, as opposed to trying to figure me out.

    Ike - look, I don’t mind the idea of a day pass for the d1 mislynch. But not if you’re not going to do anything with it. This guy is hiding, he said so himself. If a wagon on Ike starts up 30 min from EoD I am going to feel very tempted by it.
    Zen Blade read is about identical to mine, think that's something I'm fine with for now... though I'll toss in the slightest bit of tinfoil, just for him!!!

    What from Fleur have you liked? I'm assuming you're referring to #275, which is... ???

    Which posts of Penguin's have set you off?
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#288)

    Regarding Ike, like I've said already I won't be doing that; I'm a little surprised at people suspecting him at the moment because like... having seen his day 1 before, are you really expecting much more from him?
    Bing, we have a winner. Couldn't convince you guys D1 was a crapshoot last time, nothing will be different this time so why try?
    @RagingIke297 Well for one thing, many of us were able to find each other as town and begin narrowing down correct consensus PoEs (which tended to have at least one or two mafia in them); essentially, it helps us to create a foundation for us all with which to base the rest of the game on!!!!

    This game should theoretically have even more advantages of playing day 1 with our shared meta, so in theory we should be able to build an even better foundation!!

    Can you help us build that foundation by giving us at least a tiny bit of stuff to work with? Even if it's just really light thoughts on anyone, doesn't have to be that confident; every little bit helps!!!


    I dunno, maybe I’m just approaching Fleur from a biased perspective. I had a great rapport with her in g8 and was sincerely looking forward to playing with her again. I’d feel kind of sad to see her get voted out before she got into it.

    You’re right, it is too little to town read her off. But by the same token, isn’t it too little to scum read her off? Do you think you’ve managed to catch a scum off their first five posts?

    Ike, you’re right, is a crapshoot. I do feel like there’s a difference between g8 and today. Then he genuinely didn’t seem to care if he got lynched. Now he’s explicitly hiding to avoid it. Does that mean anything? Maybe, maybe not. You’re right, I’d rather take down a player I have a clearer view on, which I have in Penguin, but Ike is a fall back option for me if the town doesn’t want that.

    And on Penguin, no of course that wasn’t the main thrust of his attack on me. There was no main thrust, there was eight or nine mini thrusts. He was just throwing mud to see what stuck. I just highlighted that point as being particularly dumb.
    I mean, I agree with wanting to play with Fleur more but also... still trying to evaluate people alignment-wise objectively is a thing!!!! I don't necessarily think her few posts so far is a slam dunk by any means, it almost never is with such limited data; however, the lack of towniness/pings in there is enough that it's something which I would like to call attention to at the very least!! If it helps, my suspicion of her varies between maybe 50-65% out of 100 (0 being 0 suspicion/lock town and 100 being very confident mafia) or so!!!

    Noted on Ike; it's just, feels like if we killed him today it would be a very copout lynch and also just like no... but also I'd probably vote him over half the game if needed at this point to give someone else another day, including Penguin!

    Penguin points have been acknowledged, just doesn't move the needle for me!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel (#317)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#313)
    For Ike, is the lack of reads really that surprising? I agree that it's a little (read: extremely) frustrating that he doesn't seem interested in solving day 1, which... was going to go on about stuff, but would be nicer to leave it at that for now!!!

    Thoughts on DeKay are particularly interesting... why? Personally I think she's just approached the game in her manner of solving (poking places that feel like needing poking, taking initiative in certain parts/doing stuff while not necessarily being aggressive about it), so yeah that's a thing!!

    Also in your post below, you said "I think between Dya, they make some good points" - did you mean to type another name there and if so, who?

    He says he wants to survive this day, but does so by... staying silent? The very reason he was voted for last game? It doesn't surprised me he generally doesn't care, but he if wanted to survive I woudlve expected more effort since lack of it is what led to his death. intentionally laying low is just a repeat of last game isn't it

    Yea she's not the very aggressive type, but I wouldve expected more poking and thoughts from her. Its just been underwhelming so far. I hope the vote will prod her for more since Im not convinced of town quite yet

    I meant to say between Dya and Penguin I think Dya is more likely to be town. Penguin has been contributing to discussion but I find Dya's interactions more genuine. I didn't really proofread so I think I messed that up while formatting
    I feel like perhaps I'm being a bit disingenuous saying this, but would you say that Ike is the type of player to look at how they played game 8 and think yeah, he's going to start being active in games from now on? Trying to phrase this in a way that doesn't come off the wrong way... my point is that some players are consistently chill in games and treat every game similarly, and others actively work on improving their play through every game that they play; Ike seems to be in the category of the latter!!!

    Not really sure how alignment-indicative that is, but those are my thoughts, anyway!!

    Personally I feel like her prods/volume of content seems about right for town!DeKay when scaled to the lower activity of this game overall, though your thoughts have been noted; I'm still highly unlikely to vote her though!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#319)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#313)
    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#305)
    Quote Originally Posted by KruZe (#279)
    you don't seem like the type of player (my sample size is just the last game) to be mis-voted out of the game often, are you?
    I don't get miseliminated often because I typically don't allow it. But it does happen. Everyone tends to think my d1s are wolfy.

    Quote Originally Posted by RagingIke297 (#297)
    D12 says

    ##Vote dyachei

    Don't let me down rngesus
    Awfully convenient that someone getting recent suspicion gets the RNG vote

    ##Vote RagingIke297


    and @Arapocalypse yes, I do think you should be able to have me as not wolf by this point. Not necessarily villa reading me, but at minimum null, so I am disappointed in your read of me.
    This is lowkey interesting; did you think I have an actual mafia read on you and if so why? Also, not really sure what you mean by the bolded... what is having you as "not wolf" supposed to mean if not reading you as town?

    For what it's worth, I don't really; I simply haven't found you as town, and having not really had pings from you either way means you're going to be in my "everyone else" tier until something happens to move you up/down... though at the moment I'm lowkey fine with you being a bit above due to others having shifted down a little!!!

    Speaking of which, what's your current read on me outside of my read on you? I feel like you should have a better read on me here, seeing as you've actually seen me as both alignments recently!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel (#307)
    okay caught up. Deciding on a vote has been difficult. I think the majority of players have put in some amount of effort, so it's not the case of last game where there were several extremely quiet/inactive players. From what I've seen the least engaged players are Kruze, Fluer, Dekay, Catty, Tracing, and Ike.

    Fluer said she's been busy, but has only provided a tiny bit of insight. I don't think it would be fair to vote for her right now given she seems to be asleep and won't be able to respond, so I'm going to be hoping she explains more of her insight during D2. her few posts haven't convinced me she's town, but i don't think voting for her would be very fair

    Kruze engaged with a few posts and discussions, but hasn't really made much impact on the game. The vote on Ike is just a really easy wagon imo so Im not too impressed by it. I don't think he's the type to be super invested into D1, but his posts haven't stricken me as town yet. Voting for him early feels weird given the whole drama of last game, but I can't make myself townread him either when there really just isn't much there

    Ike has admitted himself to have been the most quiet player here. I dont even think he's given any reads of the game yet, and his vote on Dya is apparently random (which is kinda odd since they're sussed by a lot). The lack of any reads is surprising. Even if he's not sure of them, I would've expected at least some sort of reads by now. He seems to have no faith in D1 in both games, but his low presence isn't a town thing either and really easy to do as scum. Voting him D1 feels bad, but you'd think he would be learned to put more effort by now

    Tracing is unique since I haven't seen any of his playstyle before, but his relationship with Ash is a bit weird. It's not surprising that players from the same community would be able to read each other better than the rest of us, but both seem to townread each other really quickly. Tracing just feels very passive but I don't know if that's his play philosophy and not sure I would blindly trust what Ash says on him. The reads post he made kinda just feels meh so its not really chiming any town bells to me

    As said before, I got the sense that most of Catty's early posts are about himself and his philosophy towards playing. It was a lot of posts that overall didn't contribute much to game discussion. however, he's been asking more substantial questions and comments since last night, so his post quality has been getting a bit better. Hoping for more from him but I'm still not getting strong feelings on him yet since he does seem to genuinely want to be more lax, whatever alignment he may be

    Dekay seems to have a low profile this game. Most of her posts are comments or short questions that I don't see follow up towards. The biggest thing she has going for her is her reads post but she doesn't make any confrontational reads and more of us "this is weird gotta keep my eye on them". I'm hoping she comes soon to contribute more but her low profile is the weirdest to me so far

    ##Vote DeKay

    Interested to hear more from these players and how people behave as we approach EoD
    Similar thoughts on KruZe!!

    For Ike, is the lack of reads really that surprising? I agree that it's a little (read: extremely) frustrating that he doesn't seem interested in solving day 1, which... was going to go on about stuff, but would be nicer to leave it at that for now!!!

    Thoughts on DeKay are particularly interesting... why? Personally I think she's just approached the game in her manner of solving (poking places that feel like needing poking, taking initiative in certain parts/doing stuff while not necessarily being aggressive about it), so yeah that's a thing!!

    Also in your post below, you said "I think between Dya, they make some good points" - did you mean to type another name there and if so, who?


    Other thoughts:

    Feels like this EoD is going to feel exactly either very boringly frustrating or actually fairly interesting... but I'm going to predict that it'll end up in a boring death regardless!!!

    I should have tried to keep the limit lifting 2 hours before EoD instead of 1, two posts left!!!!


    I think I've done several things you specifically should be able to say "not w!dya" for at least d1. And yes, you pushing me makes me think you have me as wolf. My read of you was sort of independent of your read on me, too. I think you're falling flat of your hype tone
    I vote people who I don't have enough of a read on... wouldn't categorize anything I've really said to/about you as something where I've actively pushed you as a mafia read!!

    I'm still not sure what you mean there; I'm assuming that when you say "not w!dya" you mean town!Dya, which... I haven't? What do you think I should have been able to say not w!Dya about, regardless?

    That's a bit of a boring read which I thought you would know better to make, but sure!!!
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    Game Thread This is lowkey interesting; did you think I have...

    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#305)
    Quote Originally Posted by KruZe (#279)
    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#278)
    I wonder how many times people are going to agree with me but think I'm a wolf anyway
    you don't seem like the type of player (my sample size is just the last game) to be mis-voted out of the game often, are you?
    I don't get miseliminated often because I typically don't allow it. But it does happen. Everyone tends to think my d1s are wolfy.

    Quote Originally Posted by RagingIke297 (#297)
    D12 says

    ##Vote dyachei

    Don't let me down rngesus
    Awfully convenient that someone getting recent suspicion gets the RNG vote

    ##Vote RagingIke297


    and @Arapocalypse yes, I do think you should be able to have me as not wolf by this point. Not necessarily villa reading me, but at minimum null, so I am disappointed in your read of me.
    This is lowkey interesting; did you think I have an actual mafia read on you and if so why? Also, not really sure what you mean by the bolded... what is having you as "not wolf" supposed to mean if not reading you as town?

    For what it's worth, I don't really; I simply haven't found you as town, and having not really had pings from you either way means you're going to be in my "everyone else" tier until something happens to move you up/down... though at the moment I'm lowkey fine with you being a bit above due to others having shifted down a little!!!

    Speaking of which, what's your current read on me outside of my read on you? I feel like you should have a better read on me here, seeing as you've actually seen me as both alignments recently!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel (#307)
    okay caught up. Deciding on a vote has been difficult. I think the majority of players have put in some amount of effort, so it's not the case of last game where there were several extremely quiet/inactive players. From what I've seen the least engaged players are Kruze, Fluer, Dekay, Catty, Tracing, and Ike.

    Fluer said she's been busy, but has only provided a tiny bit of insight. I don't think it would be fair to vote for her right now given she seems to be asleep and won't be able to respond, so I'm going to be hoping she explains more of her insight during D2. her few posts haven't convinced me she's town, but i don't think voting for her would be very fair

    Kruze engaged with a few posts and discussions, but hasn't really made much impact on the game. The vote on Ike is just a really easy wagon imo so Im not too impressed by it. I don't think he's the type to be super invested into D1, but his posts haven't stricken me as town yet. Voting for him early feels weird given the whole drama of last game, but I can't make myself townread him either when there really just isn't much there

    Ike has admitted himself to have been the most quiet player here. I dont even think he's given any reads of the game yet, and his vote on Dya is apparently random (which is kinda odd since they're sussed by a lot). The lack of any reads is surprising. Even if he's not sure of them, I would've expected at least some sort of reads by now. He seems to have no faith in D1 in both games, but his low presence isn't a town thing either and really easy to do as scum. Voting him D1 feels bad, but you'd think he would be learned to put more effort by now

    Tracing is unique since I haven't seen any of his playstyle before, but his relationship with Ash is a bit weird. It's not surprising that players from the same community would be able to read each other better than the rest of us, but both seem to townread each other really quickly. Tracing just feels very passive but I don't know if that's his play philosophy and not sure I would blindly trust what Ash says on him. The reads post he made kinda just feels meh so its not really chiming any town bells to me

    As said before, I got the sense that most of Catty's early posts are about himself and his philosophy towards playing. It was a lot of posts that overall didn't contribute much to game discussion. however, he's been asking more substantial questions and comments since last night, so his post quality has been getting a bit better. Hoping for more from him but I'm still not getting strong feelings on him yet since he does seem to genuinely want to be more lax, whatever alignment he may be

    Dekay seems to have a low profile this game. Most of her posts are comments or short questions that I don't see follow up towards. The biggest thing she has going for her is her reads post but she doesn't make any confrontational reads and more of us "this is weird gotta keep my eye on them". I'm hoping she comes soon to contribute more but her low profile is the weirdest to me so far

    ##Vote DeKay

    Interested to hear more from these players and how people behave as we approach EoD
    Similar thoughts on KruZe!!

    For Ike, is the lack of reads really that surprising? I agree that it's a little (read: extremely) frustrating that he doesn't seem interested in solving day 1, which... was going to go on about stuff, but would be nicer to leave it at that for now!!!

    Thoughts on DeKay are particularly interesting... why? Personally I think she's just approached the game in her manner of solving (poking places that feel like needing poking, taking initiative in certain parts/doing stuff while not necessarily being aggressive about it), so yeah that's a thing!!

    Also in your post below, you said "I think between Dya, they make some good points" - did you mean to type another name there and if so, who?


    Other thoughts:

    Feels like this EoD is going to feel exactly either very boringly frustrating or actually fairly interesting... but I'm going to predict that it'll end up in a boring death regardless!!!

    I should have tried to keep the limit lifting 2 hours before EoD instead of 1, two posts left!!!!
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    Game Thread Fleur read: she gave three (3) one-liner...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#291)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#288)
    Quote Originally Posted by KruZe (#281)
    @Arapocalypse
    HYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    why you blow through all your posts so fast? (plz don't waste a post to explain this alone)
    Hey KruZe!!!!

    Too much mafia hype for only 50 posts; I've attempted to pace myself by force-leaving the thread once in a while, though whether or not it's been successful is a different question!!!

    Did you end up looking at Penguin again by the way, and why haven't you brought it up again since? Also, Ike vote: why? Also, just thoughts in general on other people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#283)
    So this is where I am right now:

    Dya - Lock Town, throwing away the key. If you’re scum Dya, consider me pocketed. I love her little snarky post above about people agreeing with her but still wolfreading her for it. It’s so real.

    Trace - Town. I thought he was off his activity level, and that wallpost above just drips with honesty. Yeah, he’s a good liar, but he’s a good truth teller too.

    Zen - Yeah ok, he’s town too. I was holding off saying so just due to his good tone, but I think now that he’s not just being open and sincere, but that he’s doing things that are, for him, town indicative. Specifically while I think his play-slightly-scummy-to-not-get-nightkilled strategy is highly questionable completely stupid, he obviously believes in it. So him complaining about going too high on people’s readlists is something I do see town Zen doing and wolf Zen not doing.

    Catty, DeKay, Daniel - still wrestling with this group. I have Catty a bit higher and the other two a bit lower, but they’re all bound up in a fair bit of uncertainty and realistically it’s going to take a while longer before I can have confident opinions about these people.

    Ara, Hally - I don’t trust my own ability to read these two. However I’ve decided I’m trusting Dya so I will also cautiously trust her reads on them. Hally gets to be town, Ara does not.

    Kruze, Fleur - I like what I’ve seen, but I want to see more.

    Penguin - still don’t like him. His earlier posts were worse, but his later ones still set me off. Maybe I’m biased because a lot of them were directed at me, but I definitely felt like he was trying to take me down, as opposed to trying to figure me out.

    Ike - look, I don’t mind the idea of a day pass for the d1 mislynch. But not if you’re not going to do anything with it. This guy is hiding, he said so himself. If a wagon on Ike starts up 30 min from EoD I am going to feel very tempted by it.
    Zen Blade read is about identical to mine, think that's something I'm fine with for now... though I'll toss in the slightest bit of tinfoil, just for him!!!

    What from Fleur have you liked? I'm assuming you're referring to #275, which is... ???

    Which posts of Penguin's have set you off?

    Regarding Ike, like I've said already I won't be doing that; I'm a little surprised at people suspecting him at the moment because like... having seen his day 1 before, are you really expecting much more from him?


    On Fleur, yes, I like P#275. Not necessarily as a piece of reliable analysis, but as a mindset indicator. She’s hunting, she’s making a read, she’s re-evaluating that read, and she’s considering the implications if she’s wrong, all in one short post.

    I’m not ready to lock her town just off that, but it feels very like she did in g8.

    Penguin’s series of posts P#207 P#208 P#210 P#214 set me off. The way he attacked me did not make me feel like he thought he’d found something. It felt like he was trying to create something.

    Like he’s getting stuck into me for... Trace agreeing with me about how I play? Unless he’s suggesting we’re a wolf team together, there’s nothing suspicious about that.

    I think he’s counterattacking me because I’m voting him, and the accuracy or truth of his accusations is kinda irrelevant to him.

    On Ike, there is a difference between 15ish D1 posts and exactly 1.

    Let me ask you this: if Ike had rolled wolf, what behaviour would you have expected?
    Fleur read: she gave three (3) one-liner associative reads in her third post (which is all she said at that point after saying she'd caught up), and you were already down to put her as light town? I seriously don't know what to say to that; I mean seriously, can you take a moment, read that out loud, and say that to me with a straight face please? How is that someone who is invested in working with others to solve the game, both with and without considering her meta?

    Regarding Penguin, I don't really get the sense that your interactions with Trace were his main concern? It was more the other stuff like the things with Daniel, which I personally think is more playstyle-indicative of you; I simply think he's done enough to pass the bar of towniness, for toDay anyway!!! Your concerns have been noted however; I'm also just mostly interested in seeing where he goes with certain reads, yours included... but I don't think it in and of itself is currently particularly indicative of him being of the mafia alignment!!!

    For Ike, I have literally no idea; do you think he literally just posts more of nothing as town? Also noting that he barely said anything until people voted him, like that popping out of the woodwork at EoD 1 at my vote; maybe that should tell us something!!

    To clarify: I think reading him off of today is essentially just a coinflip here considering his... attitude towards day 1, and if you feel better about literally everyone else and want to take that conflip, then that's up to you I guess!!! Legitimate question: do you actually see a real difference between his posts in game 8 and here, or is it just that his posts have no substance in them/fewer posts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleur (#295)
    Sucks that I have to go to bed now, but I will leave this here:

    ##Vote Arapocalypse

    I do not like her vote on me given that I just said I suspect her and I already named reasons why I find her suspicious.


    Other people I find suspicious:

    Zen Blade: He is so different from last game. He seems very sheepy somehow.
    Dyachei: Depending on what Ara flips for reasons already specified before.
    Daniel: He is way too passive. Last game he was engaging more, he seems cautious this game.


    I have Penguin on a bit scum lean, but more leaning neutral.

    I have Ash as Town and a slight Town lean on Hally and KruZe.


    I will go to bed now, but this is where I'm at. Good Night!
    @ Fleur If you're town, have you considered... trying to update how you read me? It seems like you're simply continuing to try and read me off of things that are not alignment-indicative, and it's starting to get a bit old for a second game, when you know for a fact that your previous read was obviously wrong!!!

    How exactly does Zen Blade seem different from last game? Did you get the sense that he was not sheepy there and why do you think his actions here are mafia-indicative?

    What is your individual read on Dya, completely independent from their read on me?

    Noting that you're probably not going to see this until toMorrow, but would appreciate thoughts regardless!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by RagingIke297 (#296)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#288)
    Quote Originally Posted by KruZe (#281)
    @Arapocalypse
    HYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    why you blow through all your posts so fast? (plz don't waste a post to explain this alone)
    Hey KruZe!!!!

    Too much mafia hype for only 50 posts; I've attempted to pace myself by force-leaving the thread once in a while, though whether or not it's been successful is a different question!!!

    Did you end up looking at Penguin again by the way, and why haven't you brought it up again since? Also, Ike vote: why? Also, just thoughts in general on other people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#283)
    So this is where I am right now:

    Dya - Lock Town, throwing away the key. If you’re scum Dya, consider me pocketed. I love her little snarky post above about people agreeing with her but still wolfreading her for it. It’s so real.

    Trace - Town. I thought he was off his activity level, and that wallpost above just drips with honesty. Yeah, he’s a good liar, but he’s a good truth teller too.

    Zen - Yeah ok, he’s town too. I was holding off saying so just due to his good tone, but I think now that he’s not just being open and sincere, but that he’s doing things that are, for him, town indicative. Specifically while I think his play-slightly-scummy-to-not-get-nightkilled strategy is highly questionable completely stupid, he obviously believes in it. So him complaining about going too high on people’s readlists is something I do see town Zen doing and wolf Zen not doing.

    Catty, DeKay, Daniel - still wrestling with this group. I have Catty a bit higher and the other two a bit lower, but they’re all bound up in a fair bit of uncertainty and realistically it’s going to take a while longer before I can have confident opinions about these people.

    Ara, Hally - I don’t trust my own ability to read these two. However I’ve decided I’m trusting Dya so I will also cautiously trust her reads on them. Hally gets to be town, Ara does not.

    Kruze, Fleur - I like what I’ve seen, but I want to see more.

    Penguin - still don’t like him. His earlier posts were worse, but his later ones still set me off. Maybe I’m biased because a lot of them were directed at me, but I definitely felt like he was trying to take me down, as opposed to trying to figure me out.

    Ike - look, I don’t mind the idea of a day pass for the d1 mislynch. But not if you’re not going to do anything with it. This guy is hiding, he said so himself. If a wagon on Ike starts up 30 min from EoD I am going to feel very tempted by it.
    Zen Blade read is about identical to mine, think that's something I'm fine with for now... though I'll toss in the slightest bit of tinfoil, just for him!!!

    What from Fleur have you liked? I'm assuming you're referring to #275, which is... ???

    Which posts of Penguin's have set you off?
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#288)

    Regarding Ike, like I've said already I won't be doing that; I'm a little surprised at people suspecting him at the moment because like... having seen his day 1 before, are you really expecting much more from him?
    Bing, we have a winner. Couldn't convince you guys D1 was a crapshoot last time, nothing will be different this time so why try?
    @RagingIke297 Well for one thing, many of us were able to find each other as town and begin narrowing down correct consensus PoEs (which tended to have at least one or two mafia in them); essentially, it helps us to create a foundation for us all with which to base the rest of the game on!!!!

    This game should theoretically have even more advantages of playing day 1 with our shared meta, so in theory we should be able to build an even better foundation!!

    Can you help us build that foundation by giving us at least a tiny bit of stuff to work with? Even if it's just really light thoughts on anyone, doesn't have to be that confident; every little bit helps!!!
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    Completed Very well played to Master Radishes and...

    Very well played to Master Radishes and Penguin022!!!!

    Really great to see it worked out well this time, Penguin!!!
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    Completed Congrats myc and Sloonei!!!!

    Congrats myc and Sloonei!!!!
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    Completed Reveal hype!!!!!!

    Reveal hype!!!!!!
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    Game Thread Hey KruZe!!!! Too much mafia hype for only 50...

    Quote Originally Posted by KruZe (#281)
    @Arapocalypse
    HYPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    why you blow through all your posts so fast? (plz don't waste a post to explain this alone)
    Hey KruZe!!!!

    Too much mafia hype for only 50 posts; I've attempted to pace myself by force-leaving the thread once in a while, though whether or not it's been successful is a different question!!!

    Did you end up looking at Penguin again by the way, and why haven't you brought it up again since? Also, Ike vote: why? Also, just thoughts in general on other people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#283)
    So this is where I am right now:

    Dya - Lock Town, throwing away the key. If you’re scum Dya, consider me pocketed. I love her little snarky post above about people agreeing with her but still wolfreading her for it. It’s so real.

    Trace - Town. I thought he was off his activity level, and that wallpost above just drips with honesty. Yeah, he’s a good liar, but he’s a good truth teller too.

    Zen - Yeah ok, he’s town too. I was holding off saying so just due to his good tone, but I think now that he’s not just being open and sincere, but that he’s doing things that are, for him, town indicative. Specifically while I think his play-slightly-scummy-to-not-get-nightkilled strategy is highly questionable completely stupid, he obviously believes in it. So him complaining about going too high on people’s readlists is something I do see town Zen doing and wolf Zen not doing.

    Catty, DeKay, Daniel - still wrestling with this group. I have Catty a bit higher and the other two a bit lower, but they’re all bound up in a fair bit of uncertainty and realistically it’s going to take a while longer before I can have confident opinions about these people.

    Ara, Hally - I don’t trust my own ability to read these two. However I’ve decided I’m trusting Dya so I will also cautiously trust her reads on them. Hally gets to be town, Ara does not.

    Kruze, Fleur - I like what I’ve seen, but I want to see more.

    Penguin - still don’t like him. His earlier posts were worse, but his later ones still set me off. Maybe I’m biased because a lot of them were directed at me, but I definitely felt like he was trying to take me down, as opposed to trying to figure me out.

    Ike - look, I don’t mind the idea of a day pass for the d1 mislynch. But not if you’re not going to do anything with it. This guy is hiding, he said so himself. If a wagon on Ike starts up 30 min from EoD I am going to feel very tempted by it.
    Zen Blade read is about identical to mine, think that's something I'm fine with for now... though I'll toss in the slightest bit of tinfoil, just for him!!!

    What from Fleur have you liked? I'm assuming you're referring to #275, which is... ???

    Which posts of Penguin's have set you off?

    Regarding Ike, like I've said already I won't be doing that; I'm a little surprised at people suspecting him at the moment because like... having seen his day 1 before, are you really expecting much more from him?
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    Game Thread So, three separate points of tension to address...

    Quote Originally Posted by TracingWoodgrains (#277)
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    QUOTE=Arapocalypse;4067723]
    His discussion of Ash has felt like someone describing their rep in spec chat or something; not really getting much from that except they're probably not w/w, noting that it also does make sense that he'd discuss it quite a bit where he's the only one that he really knows in this game!!!

    That aside, his vote on Penguin does actively ping me, considering the thread sentiment towards Penguin at the time; will be interested to see where he goes with that, but my initial take was that it is not a good look for him/not really getting a solving sense from him!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#246)
    hrm. i don’t get the greatest feeling from this, yeah

    trace, can you talk specifically about where you see penguin doing the things you mention here?

    Is his play always so polarized, with posting more as mafia and posting less/less invested as town?

    Also I laughed at the bolded; feels like something probably meme-worthy!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#249)
    ig my issue with the vote is like

    it does kinda seem to be sheeping a bit maybe?

    and also

    trace is a bit quicker to the trigger there than i would expect?

    maybe i’m assuming incorrectly, but i would think that with him being the only one to not play with us before he might wanna like

    feel everything out more as opposed to voting so soon?

    so ig he seems wolfy in that he lacks the kind of searching and feeling out that i would expect of him in particular if he randed town?

    and seems to have too clear of a direction?

    but my expectation could simply be wrong

    do either of you have any comments about this?
    Quote Originally Posted by Catty91
    Can’t say I feel good about TW at this point. The iso leaves a lot to be desired I think and this comment bugged me.
    So, three separate points of tension to address here.

    1. My vote on penguin is suspicious - sheeping/quick to the trigger/too clear a direction

    2. I haven't seemed particularly invested

    3. Weird to specifically call out as unlucky that I didn't get wolf

    First, where did my suspicion of penguin come from? A couple moments:

    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin022 (#34)
    Not a lot of response to the Hally votes as of yet hmmmm
    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin022 (#62)
    So up to this point I'd argue that even though the votes weren't that serious, it seems every player is trying to take as little of a stance on it as possible. I agree with Catty that you probably wouldn't expect to see a counterwagon, but there are lots of early stances to make from this. I've clearly been focusing quite a bit on Hally now, does this convey/evoke anything? It seems like everyone is reluctant in general to make a read on Hally, an easy assumption you could make from this is that Hally has a large pool of people she could be scummates with for example.
    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin022 (#67)
    I like the Catty vote -- I don't see how telling people to lighten up doesn't come from scum. I guess it is tied to meta, so I'll have to review Caty's ISO from last game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin022
    I don't like that Ash's interactions around Hally in general, IDK why he's been kinda sketchy with responding to what should be pretty easy questions about the Hally vote.
    None of these are particularly damning, but my read was that it was suspicious to work so hard, so quickly, to force tension directed towards a player chosen evidently at random--to the point of calling out everyone who wasn't participating in a specific conversation, and then poking further at several other specific players. It reads to me as aiming to throw targets at everyone but himself and seeing which ones stick.

    Since I've never played forum mafia before, I'm reluctant to jump too quickly on my vague feelings. I don't know exactly what to look for in this specific context as much as some more experienced players. One thing I can confidently do, though, is confirm or reject others' impressions. A couple of others seem to have had a similar vague feeling, so I jumped in to confirm. I could see an argument to read this as suspicious "sheeping" if I was more experienced here, but the odds of me coming up with a helpful new insight on day 1 of my first online mafia game are much, much lower than the odds of me being able to say something useful about the judgment of others.

    I'm not particularly set on the vote, particularly after Penguin's further analysis which allayed some of my worries. That's where it came from, though. Looking around now, I'm mostly suspicious of Ike, since early silence isn't a great sign (which, yeah, self-damning. timing ). Not going to vote him day 1, though, since going out day 1 twice in a row is lame.

    Regardless, is it odd to be quick on the trigger? It's not like a vote is permanent. I read it more as helping the wind blow one direction or another. Casting a vote seems like part of feeling things out to me. Like I said above, I wasn't going to jump in hard to take things in a direction no one else had spotted early, but I prefer to be decisive in narrow, promising, changeable directions over being indecisive and hence useless and unpredictable.

    On the question about whether my play is always so polarized: There is no "always" with my play right now, not in online Mafia. Again, this is all new for me. What I can say is that I laser-focus in on games in the moments I have something cool I'm trying to pull, even when by all rights I should be keeping busy with real-life stuff. I expect I always would have been a little bit quiet in Day 1, just because it's hard for me to know how much useful content can be gleaned before we've been able to see the mafia act, and that compounded with me having a lot of work to get through to make a period of relative silence the most obvious option. I don't plan on staying disengaged, but I suspect Ash is right that if I had drawn wolf I would have zeroed in on the game immediately.

    On calling my draw out as unlucky: I'd like to not be a wildcard for very long. The fastest way to not be a wildcard is giving out the most relevant/useful information about myself to let people know what to look for. That the information is negative/weird is a bonus, since that's the sort of information that lets people set a baseline faster.

    My current reads, more or less:

    Village lean:
    Ash - the only one I feel pretty confident about
    Hally
    Dya
    Zen
    KruZe

    No idea:
    Fleur
    Catty
    Ara
    Daniel
    DeKay

    Wolf lean:
    Penguin (high uncertainty)
    Ike[/QUOTE]Explanation of your Penguin vote is much appreciated!!!

    Personally, my issue wasn't that you were so quick to vote, more that... I suppose you could say that the vote felt opportunistic with several other people already voting him there!!!!

    Can you elaborate a bit on some of your village leans? You've talked quite a bit about Ash Lael, how about some of your others such as KruZe?

    Aside from Penguin/Ike, who would you currently want to vote?

    What else in particular besides Penguin/Ash Lael has stuck out to you?

    No rush on this, there's still lots of time before EoD, just want to get more thoughts from you about everything!!!
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    Game Thread Bolded in particular feels like a bit of a really...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleur (#275)
    Okay, I'm relatively caught up now.

    First of all, I agree with Dya's point on Ara being wolf due to her lack of Hype this game so far. However, Dya pointing this out could also be a way for them to paint Ara as wolf. So I think one of Ara and Dya is a Wolf.


    Ash is being Ash, so I have him as Town.


    Rest is relatively neutral as of now.
    Bolded in particular feels like a bit of a really level 1 read, where... that's pretty much all you have here? What about the consideration that one read could be wrong/how much of this is an associative read, and why? Just, Dya read feels really obvious!!!

    It also majorly pings me that that's the only thing you have after having caught up? Obviously, this game is not exactly the most active where we only have less than 300 posts, but there's still been a decent amount of other posting as well, for which I'm surprised you haven't mentioned any of the rest!!!!

    ...I'm just not really getting that you're that into solving here at the moment!!

    ##Vote Fleur

    Will be interested in any other reads that you have to share!!!!

    I would also point out that instead of being able to say essentially whatever I like, I've been trying to optimize post usage much more here; feels like it should be obvious with a 50 post limit versus 150, but... yeah!!!
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    Game Thread It's difficult to say much here, given that he...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#251)
    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#249)
    ig my issue with the vote is like

    it does kinda seem to be sheeping a bit maybe?

    and also

    trace is a bit quicker to the trigger there than i would expect?

    maybe i’m assuming incorrectly, but i would think that with him being the only one to not play with us before he might wanna like

    feel everything out more as opposed to voting so soon?

    so ig he seems wolfy in that he lacks the kind of searching and feeling out that i would expect of him in particular if he randed town?

    and seems to have too clear of a direction?

    but my expectation could simply be wrong

    @Ash Lael @TracingWoodgrains do either of you have any comments about this?


    @ara, no I wouldn’t say so, not when he has time. It’s just in this specific scenario that he has a bunch of other real life commitments we sort of see to get how much he’s prioritising this. And the answer to me is a town amount, not a wolf amount.

    I mean, I could be wrong. I’m not saying I know the guy inside out. That’s just where I am right now.

    I also wouldn’t expect him to be overly cautious before voting someone. He’s a nice guy but he’s not shy.
    It's difficult to say much here, given that he did mention he was busy with other stuff during much of day 1... it just doesn't really do much to dissuade me from disliking the moving onto Penguin, is the thing!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Zen Blade (#254)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#222)
    Various catchup thoughts:

    Somewhat liking how Catty is picking up and integrating naturally into the thread while giving his own takes!!!

    DeKay's overall catchup seems fairly solid from the getgo; having spent a decent amount of time being paranoid of them, it just feels very much like the DeKay that I could finally be comfortable with being town, while taking into account the hangups involved!!

    Just putting Zen Blade as town, whatever; I still have no idea what a mafia!Zen Blade would be like, but I just keep consistently thinking that his posts are extremely town overall!!!!!!

    Daniel's P#172 feels naturally comfortable town!Daniel with similar sort of mindmeldy observations; noting that I'm not calling this a particularly confident read due to essentially fewer data points (meaning this read will probably strengthen later on), but the fact that there are such good vibes early on is a good look!!!

    Noting that Dya's mentioned recently in several places/points that they've been getting out of their bussing meta for the past while (months, years?) except for game 8, which I believe because bussing in that position where one of your partners is highly suspected/likely going down just makes sense!! For a few later comments, clarifying that my eyebrow raise at Dya wasn't just because the term/concept of PoE was raised period; it was the concept of it seeming like Penguin was keeping the PoE open in particular, which is a specifically weird thing to say in early game!! In essence, what KruZe said in P#202!!!!

    Congrats on the mafia win Ash Lael!! Might be confbiasing a bit, but I legitimately do believe him somewhat in sharing it being alignment-indicative... besides which, sharing a mafia game after having successfully won is just pretty hype to do overall, particularly when it's your first completed game!! Regardless though, I still have a fairly confident townread on Ash just in general, but I shall definitely check out the game linked!!!!

    ...It's noted that I haven't really gotten much of a strong suspicion so far, will elaborate on shortly!!

    Wow that got a bit messy; going to take a moment to organize my thoughts/poke at a few unmentioned things, also do that Penguin ISO!!!
    Stop calling me town, Ara! Seriously, you are going to get me killed! :-(


    I will play more shady then.

    Random vote going up... on... Fleur!? She hasn't been her much. [Ike is my #2 vote right now].


    Also, Ara, as a note... I don't think we want to kill Penguin today. I'm liking the engagement a lot. So, really helpful villager or mafia, but something we can figure out pretty easily in the future.

    ##Vote Fleur
    Right yes, I forgot that you generally do want to aim to live longer in games, so that you can solve later!!

    Regarding Fleur, I'm very shrug; mostly just waiting for her to get back to us with thoughts, considering that she did mention that she was busy for much of the first half of toDay!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#265)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#239)
    A few thoughts before I get into this: going into this ISO I was actively ignoring the fact that I'm inclined to be more hesitant about townreading Penguin easily, trying to go with the flow a bit more... not quoting posts because there's only 25 of them, though!!

    Stuff like this feels waterfall-y:
    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin022 (#54)
    Although I like that Ash is engaging early on, I'm not really buying any of his arguments against Daniel, and it seems forced, which I guess makes sense for early game, but still seems off. I agree with everything Daniel has said so far, and is my stronger townread atm.
    The first sentence feels flow, just the "stronger townread" in the last bit somewhat pinged me because it implies a townread on Ash that I wasn't really feeling from him?

    Having seen a few posts, I lied; taking into account the fact that he just got off a mafia rand... this simply feels like he's really eager to dig into the game in general I suppose? I get the sense I'll probably be skimming that game at some point though!!

    His discontent with the reaction to Hally votes is interesting, considering the fact that it was extremely early in the game; makes me wonder if he just has no chill in early game (later note: sort of, yes)? Saying that each player seems to not have much of a stance in early game feels like a reach, just not entirely sure if it's a town reach or a mafia reach!!

    Various chill things!!!

    Not really comparing him to game 8 much, considering he'd subbed in pretty late (and I only skimmed his posts at the time anyway)!!

    Looking at his overall Ash Lael read... mixed thoughts here where some parts feel decently towny in how he's approaching the thoughts in an evaluatory way; feels like he actively does want to engage with the read/doesn't have TMI about Ash's alignment!!! There's just minor things that ping me which could be stylistic, such as the suspicion on Ash in the last readlist; feels like it omits a lot of points where he did actively like Ash previously!!

    From a holistic standpoint, feels like Penguin has been measuring their posts in a towny way; thing is that a lot of it's stuff that I'd like to wait and see where things go, but it's enough for me to put him as light town at the moment!!

    Not strictly related but I learned recently that my main issue with doing ISOs is actually that I just don't like having to show my work in lieu of simply updating my own thoughts; working on leaning into that, will be hype to see how it goes!!!

    I think you're misunderstanding what i meant with Penguin even though I've clarified it like 2-3 times and that's getting a little old!! (to borrow your exclamation points)

    Feels like people are trying to actively misunderstand. It isn't villagery to dismiss everyone's reads on someone else. It keeps open the ability to vote anyone with little cause. That's something that wolves *NEED* to be able to do. So when one player does it repeatedly throughout the day, it's cause for concern

    I don't understand at all how you got to light villa on penguin.
    I'm pretty sure I understood where you were coming from regarding your suspicion on Penguin; not sure what you're referring to regarding me using the "original phrasing"? I simply don't agree with your take, that's all!!

    Also, my read on him has essentially nothing to do with your read on him; was there anything in particular about the post that you quoted which gave you that impression or? It just... doesn't!!

    Another point: do you think I should have a townread on you already?

    The singular wowee was for meme purposes; I was busy and skimmed, but also has the greatest meme impact on its own!!!
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    Game Thread :wowee:

    Quote Originally Posted by dyachei (#266)
    Also lol at wanting me to post more. We decided on a chill game and I'm playing in a chill manner. Yesterday was at work and posted when possible and there wasn't a ton of content. Ara especially should know my D1 as a villager isn't the best day for me so her choosing to keep me low (and yes, she is choosing to do so with her comments on my thoughts on penguin specifically) is interesting.

    Moreover her tone is off. Compare her to the other game. She's not as hype here as she was here and when she kind of falls flat, she's usually a wolf.
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    Game Thread Think we probably should have expected that,...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hally (#245)
    yea, after reading penguin’s catch up, i’m inclined to say the scum reads on him are more so a “culture clash” he’s having with the rest of the game as opposed to anything actively wolfy?

    but if this feels reductionist to anyone or like i’m not doing the suspicions on him justice, we can talk about it

    other things:

    i skimmed daniel’s iso from early D1 in g8 and i’m not really seeing what’s different about him compared to this game

    but we can talk about this ash if you still feel strongly about him not being the same

    and

    i am wondering if dya was just trying to pocket me? and maybe i was too quick to v read them for their read on me?

    i definitely think that if dya randed wolf again they might actively try to pocket me specifically

    so yeah. i’m gonna keep my eye on that ig
    Think we probably should have expected that, considering; feels like I'm getting some of that on TracingWoodgrains here as well though!!!

    As an aside, for some reason I thought Dya had voted Penguin; I guess not!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#247)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#244)
    What's your read on him by the way, Ash?

    Before you open the spoiler of my read on him please:


    His discussion of Ash has felt like someone describing their rep in spec chat or something; not really getting much from that except they're probably not w/w, noting that it also does make sense that he'd discuss it quite a bit where he's the only one that he really knows in this game!!!

    That aside, his vote on Penguin does actively ping me, considering the thread sentiment towards Penguin at the time; will be interested to see where he goes with that, but my initial take was that it is not a good look for him/not really getting a solving sense from him!!
    My read: He’s town. Reasoning: he has 7 posts.

    It’s absolutely true that he would prefer to be wolf than town. And I think he would prefer it so much that despite his schedule he would make more time for it than he has so far.

    I wouldn’t even attempt to read him from his actual words, he knows people will be looking at those.
    Is his play always so polarized, with posting more as mafia and posting less/less invested as town?

    Also I laughed at the bolded; feels like something probably meme-worthy!!!
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    Game Thread What's your read on him by the way, Ash? ...

    What's your read on him by the way, Ash?

    Before you open the spoiler of my read on him please:


    His discussion of Ash has felt like someone describing their rep in spec chat or something; not really getting much from that except they're probably not w/w, noting that it also does make sense that he'd discuss it quite a bit where he's the only one that he really knows in this game!!!

    That aside, his vote on Penguin does actively ping me, considering the thread sentiment towards Penguin at the time; will be interested to see where he goes with that, but my initial take was that it is not a good look for him/not really getting a solving sense from him!!
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    Game Thread I'm still only going to give lame answers to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#241)
    Gun in your hand, you kill someone now. Who is it?
    I'm still only going to give lame answers to questions like this, at these points during the day; probably TracingWoodgrains or something!!!

    (No he's not my top suspicion, yes I'm taking questions like this literally!)
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    Game Thread I also don't think much about the wagon being...

    I also don't think much about the wagon being "stale", for what it's worth... because there have been very few votes with only 3 mafia in a quiet gamestate where even if Penguin is mafia they're not concerned about his life, and it means essentially nothing except people haven't been voting!!!!
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    Game Thread Current standing of votes is very shrug, feels...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catty91 (#234)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#231)
    Breaking to say if you haven't voted, go make a vote please!!!!!!!!

    We're nearly 3/4s of the way into the day; yes for one thing we're all just getting back into it, but also... would still be useful for people to do that, particularly when over half the game isn't voting at the moment!!!!!

    There's no maj on day 1 (starts on day 2), so there's no concerns about us ending the day early!!!!

    This has been your voting PSA; actually doing this Penguin ISO now!!!
    How do you feel about the current standing of votes. I feel like there hasn’t really been any deliberate ‘look in that direction’ which I might see if Penguin was scum. Can’t say I’m particularly feeling that vote anymore. Waiting in anticipation of your iso read haha
    Current standing of votes is very shrug, feels like they're mostly initial votes which haven't moved much... not something I'm a fan of, and seeing so few votes there just straight up makes me uncomfortable at this point in the day!!!!

    Feels like a lot of the suspicion on Penguin is more... I don't think paranoia is quite the right term per se, but I don't think he's getting quite as much leeway/is lowkey just getting flack for being one of the first to be aggressively serious initially!!

    My point is I don't think it's necessarily mafia-driven!!!!

    Actually, it feels a bit similar to the suspicion on me early game 8 come to think of it!!!
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    Game Thread A few thoughts before I get into this: going into...

    A few thoughts before I get into this: going into this ISO I was actively ignoring the fact that I'm inclined to be more hesitant about townreading Penguin easily, trying to go with the flow a bit more... not quoting posts because there's only 25 of them, though!!

    Stuff like this feels waterfall-y:
    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin022 (#54)
    Although I like that Ash is engaging early on, I'm not really buying any of his arguments against Daniel, and it seems forced, which I guess makes sense for early game, but still seems off. I agree with everything Daniel has said so far, and is my stronger townread atm.
    The first sentence feels flow, just the "stronger townread" in the last bit somewhat pinged me because it implies a townread on Ash that I wasn't really feeling from him?

    Having seen a few posts, I lied; taking into account the fact that he just got off a mafia rand... this simply feels like he's really eager to dig into the game in general I suppose? I get the sense I'll probably be skimming that game at some point though!!

    His discontent with the reaction to Hally votes is interesting, considering the fact that it was extremely early in the game; makes me wonder if he just has no chill in early game (later note: sort of, yes)? Saying that each player seems to not have much of a stance in early game feels like a reach, just not entirely sure if it's a town reach or a mafia reach!!

    Various chill things!!!

    Not really comparing him to game 8 much, considering he'd subbed in pretty late (and I only skimmed his posts at the time anyway)!!

    Looking at his overall Ash Lael read... mixed thoughts here where some parts feel decently towny in how he's approaching the thoughts in an evaluatory way; feels like he actively does want to engage with the read/doesn't have TMI about Ash's alignment!!! There's just minor things that ping me which could be stylistic, such as the suspicion on Ash in the last readlist; feels like it omits a lot of points where he did actively like Ash previously!!

    From a holistic standpoint, feels like Penguin has been measuring their posts in a towny way; thing is that a lot of it's stuff that I'd like to wait and see where things go, but it's enough for me to put him as light town at the moment!!

    Not strictly related but I learned recently that my main issue with doing ISOs is actually that I just don't like having to show my work in lieu of simply updating my own thoughts; working on leaning into that, will be hype to see how it goes!!!
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    Game Thread Why the thought about it being spicy?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeKay (#230)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#229)
    ##Vote dyachei

    Another thing is that I feel like we're likely going to run into people having confident opposite reads off of the same meta, which is going to be exciting to see!!!!

    Just, meta thoughts in general are particularly hype here!!!!!!
    Ooh, spicy...

    I think I need to ISO Dya and see what is kinda townish about her... Maybe I'm just very paranoid about her.
    Why the thought about it being spicy?
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    Game Thread Breaking to say if you haven't voted, go make a...

    Breaking to say if you haven't voted, go make a vote please!!!!!!!!

    We're nearly 3/4s of the way into the day; yes for one thing we're all just getting back into it, but also... would still be useful for people to do that, particularly when over half the game isn't voting at the moment!!!!!

    There's no maj on day 1 (starts on day 2), so there's no concerns about us ending the day early!!!!

    This has been your voting PSA; actually doing this Penguin ISO now!!!
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    Game Thread dyachei Another thing is that I feel like...

    ##Vote dyachei

    Another thing is that I feel like we're likely going to run into people having confident opposite reads off of the same meta, which is going to be exciting to see!!!!

    Just, meta thoughts in general are particularly hype here!!!!!!
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    Game Thread Here's where I'm at, alphabetical tiers: ...

    Here's where I'm at, alphabetical tiers:

    Arapocalypse

    Decently town
    Ash Lael
    Zen Blade


    There are not-insignificant amounts of meta tied into both of the above reads, have touched on frequently enough that I'm not going into detail here!!!

    Somewhat towny
    Catty91 - liked the way he's engaged with the thread, felt like they've been able to actively dig into certain things!!!!
    Daniel
    DeKay
    Hally
    - Perhaps my weaker one here; simply feels like they're a lot more chill and giving takes that are originating from a town!brain, just... casual town vibes!!!

    All of these have similarities in that they have towny engagement, just in different levels/aspects, if that makes sense!!! That being said, I would n't be overly surprised if there were one (or two) mafia here, but I'm fine with this for now!!

    Giving them some space/room to work with
    KruZe
    RagingIke297


    Getting straight to the point here, I think there's a decent amount of guilty feelings for the above tier and considering it's day 1 I am fine with at least actively attempting to give them more pressureless space to work in for toDay; that being said, I've semi-liked a bit of KruZe in particular so far!!

    Everyone else
    dyachei - Touched on a bit, but I simply think people are attributing posts of theirs to be overly alignment-indicative when their bar of towniness is not that low... that being said, I do want to revisit their read on Penguin earlier, also thinking I'll get a better read on them by EoD hopefully!!!!
    Fleur - Not here yet, come hype with us!!!!!
    Penguin022 - I've liked certain hints of theirs from my catchup, but actually opening their ISO now/will update!!!
    TracingWoodgrains - I should actually open up their ISO again as it feels like I haven't paid much attention, which may just be me as a note!!

    It lowkey hit me earlier that I need to be a bit more cautious about this being a 13er instead of a 15er, considering lack of suspicions... makes me a bit wary as well that it feels like my readlist is a bit sort by postcount, but I also am fine with the top half, so going with that for now!!
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    Game Thread I see; not really getting that sense as much, but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#221)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael (#220)
    Quote Originally Posted by Arapocalypse (#219)
    Interesting, how does that relate to how you had understood Dya previously, considering the fact that they were mafia last time/how does your read differ here?
    I feel like Dya this game is being less guarded and careful. I feel like I’m seeing more of her natural personality shine through.
    Actually, I’m going to add to this.

    In game 8, the time I felt the most like I saw the “real Dya” was when she was bluing with Brad at the end of the game, like when she said he was lolcatting and so forth. There was just this total acidic disdain in her posts that was very real.

    Now I feel like I’m seeing the real Dya when she’s making her reads. There’s an incisiveness and insightfulness that I don’t think is faked.
    I see; not really getting that sense as much, but makes sense to where you're coming from and will keep in mind!!!!
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    Game Thread A few things: What was the unfinished thought...

    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin022 (#214)
    Alright, I'm caught up, so here's my current basic readslist with less than 24 hours left in the day.

    Daniel - I agree the vast majority of his posts, he seems to be trying to move the game in a productive way, seems towny to me.
    KruZe - I think after last game, !scumKruZe would try to change up his style a bit, but KruZe seems to be mostly in line with how he played last game and hasn't changed at all, which I like.
    Zen Blade - A lot of my read on Zen is tbd, but all of his posts so far have seemed authentic and townlike.
    dyachei - I liked her interaction with Hally and I think her arguments against me seem authentic and not contrived.
    Arapocalypse - I know she's supposed to incredibly difficult to read, but she does have a couple posts which seemed genuine and
    Catty91 - Explaining what it is like in his home community helped show me where his thought process was at, which helped me a lot. Although I don't agree with everything he's saying, I think the kind of engagement he's shown leans town a bit.
    DeKay - Null, the readslist is a plus point.
    Hally - Basically null, although she seems genuine so far.
    TracingWoodgrains - uhhhhhhhhh i have no idea
    RagingIke297 - His one post wasn't great, and the longer it is until he comes back, the worse it will become.
    Ash Lael - Super performative, jumping on weird threads, seems oddly defensive while also playing a bit safer than I think he's letting on. A lot of posts rubbing me the wrong way, especially most of his debates with Daniel and his post where he posted the gamethread, which also read to me as kinda defensive, since there hadn't been anyone asking for it I don't think? I also don't like that he acted like scum wouldn't post the gamelink, but I guess a lot of this depends on what I find in the game. His game reminds me a lot of how I play as scum, specifically last game.

    Fleur - TBD

    Leaning towards voting Ash atm, but I want to see what I can find in this game of his. So far not much. I think I'll sleep for now and tackle the rest of the game and see what new interactions that are in the morning. Seems like everyone's afk/asleep rn.

    No reason to keep my vote on Hally at this point. ##Unvote Hally
    A few things:

    What was the unfinished thought on me? For the record, I don't really claim to be that difficult to read but people do tend to assume that!!!

    Can you elaborate further on your thoughts on Hally? What posts of hers did you find genuine and why?

    For TracingWoodgrains, just an overall why? What were your initial thoughts on the slot? Doesn't necessarily have to be a strong read, just whatever you have there would be great!!
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    Game Thread Various catchup thoughts: Somewhat liking how...

    Various catchup thoughts:

    Somewhat liking how Catty is picking up and integrating naturally into the thread while giving his own takes!!!

    DeKay's overall catchup seems fairly solid from the getgo; having spent a decent amount of time being paranoid of them, it just feels very much like the DeKay that I could finally be comfortable with being town, while taking into account the hangups involved!!

    Just putting Zen Blade as town, whatever; I still have no idea what a mafia!Zen Blade would be like, but I just keep consistently thinking that his posts are extremely town overall!!!!!!

    Daniel's P#172 feels naturally comfortable town!Daniel with similar sort of mindmeldy observations; noting that I'm not calling this a particularly confident read due to essentially fewer data points (meaning this read will probably strengthen later on), but the fact that there are such good vibes early on is a good look!!!

    Noting that Dya's mentioned recently in several places/points that they've been getting out of their bussing meta for the past while (months, years?) except for game 8, which I believe because bussing in that position where one of your partners is highly suspected/likely going down just makes sense!! For a few later comments, clarifying that my eyebrow raise at Dya wasn't just because the term/concept of PoE was raised period; it was the concept of it seeming like Penguin was keeping the PoE open in particular, which is a specifically weird thing to say in early game!! In essence, what KruZe said in P#202!!!!

    Congrats on the mafia win Ash Lael!! Might be confbiasing a bit, but I legitimately do believe him somewhat in sharing it being alignment-indicative... besides which, sharing a mafia game after having successfully won is just pretty hype to do overall, particularly when it's your first completed game!! Regardless though, I still have a fairly confident townread on Ash just in general, but I shall definitely check out the game linked!!!!

    ...It's noted that I haven't really gotten much of a strong suspicion so far, will elaborate on shortly!!

    Wow that got a bit messy; going to take a moment to organize my thoughts/poke at a few unmentioned things, also do that Penguin ISO!!!
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