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    I also agree that you can't really force someone...

    I also agree that you can't really force someone to stay in a game. If they don't want to play, they don't want to play. I don't want to play with someone who doesn't want to be there, anyway.
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    I think Lissa is very busy with IRL stuff right...

    I think @Lissa is very busy with IRL stuff right now but I think you'll just have to wait until she has time to write up a proper response to this, because as far as I know, she does track every sub, she finds out the reason for each one, and she has spreadsheets of data. So whatever isn't effective atm, she's your best bet to find out why.

    I'd guess that it's likely that a) the people who are subbing out are different each time, so there aren't any people that could clearly be signup-banned for a pattern of it, and b) that the reason for sub outs are probbaly more legitimate than you're imagining. (And those which aren't legitimate probably don't stay on MU for long, leading to a)
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    Lissa is actually in charge of sub outs and...

    Lissa is actually in charge of sub outs and contacts every subbed out player to see what the reason for what it was, and keeps tracks of stats relating to sub outs.
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    The jury doesn't have quotas and they can pick as...

    The jury doesn't have quotas and they can pick as many or as few players from any game as they'd like. It's possible for them to pick no players from a certain game, or to pick 4, or 5, or 6, or 7, or 8 from a single game if they thought that game had stronger players. They don't base their decisions around trying to keep numbers even, except maybe subconsciously.
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    That said, I did notice a lot of the votes were...

    That said, I did notice a lot of the votes were very close between 4th and 5th, and I'm sure many of the wildcard picks probably placed 5th. It'd only make sense that when you get to that part of the results, things blur together even more.
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    ...I'm glad I just spent 12 minutes opening every...

    Quote Originally Posted by vanity. (#1783)

    quickly, the 3rd/4th stats just so they're here, out of the 22 people that placed 3rd/4th in their games, 14 of them directly advanced. 5 of them are subs.
    ...I'm glad I just spent 12 minutes opening every topic to check this only to refresh and see that you already posted it...

    ...But I can at least confirm your count is correct. >_>
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    Personally speaking, I'm not opposed to games...

    Personally speaking, I'm not opposed to games getting to send 3rd and 4th place as well. I remember I did the stats last year out of 21 people who placed 3rd/4th (there was one tie), we (the jury) chose 17 out of 21. This was totally independant of voting results, we didn't base our decisions on that, it just turned out we agreed in almost every case. Of the 4 that didn't make it, 1 was a sub and got in anyway. The others were in consideration but just didn't make the final cut because of limited spots, but it wouldn't have really been a massive game changer if we just literally sent all 3rd/4th placers.

    I don't know the stats for this year though.

    The jury provides an extra security layer either way, but of course it comes with an added work load, and if you could make it easier by having it be the jury's job to focus mainly on people who get totally passed over in scoring (getting 5th or lower), it could alleviate things.

    But. I'll chat about this more post-season...
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    Thread: July Paint Signups!

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    MS Paint I wasn't accusing anyone. I think as long as you...

    I wasn't accusing anyone. I think as long as you are making a genuine attempt to paint/describe what was given to you, it's okay.
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    Thread: July Paint Signups!

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    MS Paint It's not fun if it derails because you're trying...

    It's not fun if it derails because you're trying to derail it. It's fun if people are trying to keep it in line and yet it derails despite their best efforts. The constraint of having only 10 words, and limited artistic ability, is what should cause the derailment.
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    Sigh... why can't I edit posts here... the...

    Sigh... why can't I edit posts here... the previous feedback thread
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    Not allowed to edit posts here, but for those who...

    Not allowed to edit posts here, but for those who want more context for these discussions, feel free to check out [URL="https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/19143-Mafia-Championship-Season-5-Post-season-Feedback-Thread"]the previous feedback thread/URL] or this mid-season feedback thread from last season. Lots of good points on these topics made throughout.
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    I appreciate the respectful discussion, but just...

    I appreciate the respectful discussion, but just as a reminder, there will be a feedback thread when the season concludes, and I think that'll be the time that a) more people will be able to weigh in and b) admins will be more able to listen.

    The survey sent out does address people's feelings about the progression, voting, jury picks, etc, and we will have more perspective once the wildcards/finalists fill it out. For those who don't know, the survey last year was much more extensive and specifically asked people which of these proposals they would like (as they were all discussed last year), so we do already have data on what people want from the event.
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    The player with the most wins being the better...

    The player with the most wins being the better player objectively is theoretically true, but it requires such a large sample size before you can accurately determine it. We have the limit of only being able to play a couple of games, and therefore a concession has to be made somewhere in order to come up with a practical system.
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    ETA Saturday

    ETA Saturday
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    Yes

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    Thread: July Paint Signups!

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    MS Paint In either

    In either
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    MS Paint Also what a lovely drawing from Frog (Not to...

    Also what a lovely drawing from Frog

    (Not to mention Panini's earlier - thank God we keep drifting towards animals so we get to see her ability to cuteness overload)
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    MS Paint Lads thought my item was a camera. Para guessed...

    Lads thought my item was a camera. Para guessed it was a ring based on the protrusion at the top. Lan thought a food box apparently.

    In actuallity, it looks a lot like a fidget dodecahedron, but that's not on purpose, it's just because I drew a random shape with random protrusions and random colors.
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    MS Paint Oh. Good morning everyone...

    Oh. Good morning everyone...
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    MS Paint that painting is actually really good though?

    that painting is actually really good though?
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    Resolved I'm shocked that 48/24 wasn't a standard option...

    I'm shocked that 48/24 wasn't a standard option until now...
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    Completed good luck =)

    good luck =)
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    Completed i'm okay with a jaleb lynch but not moving unless...

    i'm okay with a jaleb lynch but not moving unless needed
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    Completed i'm not voting ryast

    i'm not voting ryast
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    Completed no? why would that be a joke lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryast (#175)
    Read dels

    he's got a lot of early reads that stay consistent, but the lot of early reads thing kinda worries me

    also @Dels was your first post a joke? Like a minute in you said you didn't know this started
    no? why would that be a joke lol
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    Completed this is the nicest thing anyone has said about me

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#165)
    i dont think dels is trying to be mislynch bait hes represneting a real worldview and stuff
    this is the nicest thing anyone has said about me
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    Completed unless amrock is literally just scum for playing...

    unless amrock is literally just scum for playing a reverse of last game i still think he's town. if i'm wrong then lol me.
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    Completed i don't have a major reason to vote scirrus i...

    i don't have a major reason to vote scirrus i just think he was more proactive last game and i'm not feeling he's town again here. also lynches on jaleb or logic would feel lazy lol.
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    Completed i'm basically fine with lynches on scirrus, maybe...

    i'm basically fine with lynches on scirrus, maybe logic or jaleb, maaaybe punchy.
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    Completed amrock does weird things

    Quote Originally Posted by PunchyTheCat (#117)
    Quote Originally Posted by Dels (#109)
    why is amrock scum
    I didnt like their opening post string
    amrock does weird things
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    Completed lmao nevermind dont ask me why i thought that

    lmao nevermind dont ask me why i thought that
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    Completed wait is quas in this game

    wait is quas in this game
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    Completed why is amrock scum

    why is amrock scum
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    Completed Scirrus

    ##Vote Scirrus
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    Completed i don't have a read on you

    Quote Originally Posted by iaafr (#88)
    Quote Originally Posted by Dels (#83)
    roro and ryast tentatively town

    lads i am assuming town as well
    read me right now or your scum
    i don't have a read on you
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    Completed based on what

    Quote Originally Posted by PunchyTheCat (#82)
    Quote Originally Posted by Dels (#73)
    i actually think amrock is town this time
    i actually think dels is scum this time
    based on what
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    Completed roro and ryast tentatively town lads i am...

    roro and ryast tentatively town

    lads i am assuming town as well
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    Completed i actually think amrock is town this time

    i actually think amrock is town this time
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    Completed punchy's posts feel kind of fake to me? like when...

    punchy's posts feel kind of fake to me? like when scum are trying to have "hot takes" on things. idk i feel like i usually vibe with punchy more than this.
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    Completed PunchyTheCat

    ##Vote PunchyTheCat
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    Completed agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by Amrock (#36)
    Quote Originally Posted by Lads (#30)
    same vanilla, what are the odds :P

    probably a lot actually cause there are... seven of them
    I consider this a town post.
    agreed
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    Completed Jaleb

    ##Vote Jaleb
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    Completed i didn't realize this had started

    i didn't realize this had started
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    in

  45. Postgame#196

    Thread: MacDougall's Coronation Turbo

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    Completed yeah it kinda was, huh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amrock (#193)
    Both wolves shaded me for the copypasta

    It's wolf bait
    yeah it kinda was, huh.
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    Completed lol

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    Completed gg logic!

    gg logic!
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    Completed i honestly think infected alien is town btw

    i honestly think infected alien is town btw
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    Completed amrock's townreads are kinda good, wonder if tmi...

    amrock's townreads are kinda good, wonder if tmi ????? =/ idk lol
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    Completed wow you've only played with me for 10 minutes but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Macdougall (#154)
    Dels = "Honestly you guise I really do feel a way, yep ahuh I promise, cross my heart"
    wow you've only played with me for 10 minutes but you already get me!
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