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    Completed I believe Astil I mean scum could be fake...

    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#1397)
    Eh I was basically outted earlier (by my choice) by Mark. No loss if scum have good eyes. Of course I can target myself so ya know. G'luck.
    Quote Originally Posted by MLT (#1402)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1394)

    This is what I was worried about and fear it may be why scum are fake claiming guard.
    The fact Astil had a shield leads me to believe he's on the up and up for now, but if IGgy comes out town, then we look that way.

    I don't see Astil sticking his nect out this late when it's pretty obvious Iggy is the lynch.
    I believe Astil I mean scum could be fake claiming guard after knowing they will get lynched anyway to try to draw out the real guard(s).
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    Completed You are bulletproof on the nights you don't...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1350)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1349)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1346)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1329)
    That was Tak
    Oh yeah, my bad. Strange to see another guard claim after we just lynched scum with a guard claim.
    ignoramus what are the mechanics behind your role?
    I am not required to guard the caravan every night. That is all.
    You are bulletproof on the nights you don't guard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#1356)
    Iggy is luing

    I am guard that is why Mark stole a shield.
    This is what I was worried about and fear it may be why scum are fake claiming guard.
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    Completed ignoramus what are the mechanics behind your role?

    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1346)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1329)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1328)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix13 (#1321)
    Didn't he say head guard not cowardly guard?s
    I believe he mentioned being cowardly earlier in the phase.
    That was Tak
    Oh yeah, my bad. Strange to see another guard claim after we just lynched scum with a guard claim.
    ignoramus what are the mechanics behind your role?
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    Completed Oh yeah, my bad. Strange to see another guard...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1329)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1328)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix13 (#1321)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1316)
    Ah yes, you are the cowardly guard right? Yeah I'm not buying it and I can see why others aren't either.
    Didn't he say head guard not cowardly guard?s
    I believe he mentioned being cowardly earlier in the phase.
    That was Tak
    Oh yeah, my bad. Strange to see another guard claim after we just lynched scum with a guard claim.
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    Completed I believe he mentioned being cowardly earlier in...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix13 (#1321)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1316)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1305)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1300)
    There is nothing pointing at you being town.

    In the good old days I'd be asking for a full role claim at this point but it looks like we may even be past that.

    1. What do you do? 2. How can you help us? 3. Why should we keep you around?
    1. I take care of the caravan. IIRC, I am the head guard.
    2. I am finding mafia, just like all of you. If you listen to me, we kill the last mafia today, and deal with 3P after (if there even is).
    3. Same as #2.
    Ah yes, you are the cowardly guard right? Yeah I'm not buying it and I can see why others aren't either.
    Didn't he say head guard not cowardly guard?s
    I believe he mentioned being cowardly earlier in the phase.
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    Completed Ah yes, you are the cowardly guard right? Yeah...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1305)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1300)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1261)
    There's literally nothing pointing to Thomas being town, except for those "checks".
    There is nothing pointing at you being town.

    In the good old days I'd be asking for a full role claim at this point but it looks like we may even be past that.

    1. What do you do? 2. How can you help us? 3. Why should we keep you around?
    1. I take care of the caravan. IIRC, I am the head guard.
    2. I am finding mafia, just like all of you. If you listen to me, we kill the last mafia today, and deal with 3P after (if there even is).
    3. Same as #2.
    Ah yes, you are the cowardly guard right? Yeah I'm not buying it and I can see why others aren't either.
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    Completed As DoubtingThomas asked you to use your ability...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1303)
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#1295)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1287)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoubtingThomas (#734)
    i know ur role. i am town so you should do your night action on me
    @Phoenix13 here
    Didn't he say he didn't know your ability? I think I remember seeing something about him thinking you did something else. I'll see if I can find it.
    Yes, but if you are cop your results are town or not town.
    A town rolecop does not make sense to me

    And if results are role + alliance, that is too op
    As DoubtingThomas asked you to use your ability on him I'm guessing he got your role title and guessed the wrong ability.
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    Completed There is nothing pointing at you being town. ...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1261)
    There's literally nothing pointing to Thomas being town, except for those "checks".
    There is nothing pointing at you being town.

    In the good old days I'd be asking for a full role claim at this point but it looks like we may even be past that.

    What do you do? How can you help us? Why should we keep you around?
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    Completed It's nice to see you've changed your mind on me. ...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1255)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1253)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1249)
    I guess I should out my legacy reads
    If I go over and y'all see hat green flip, y'all should eliminate Phoenix13, Thomas, and Destiny. Any order.
    I find it interesting that you put me in this group given that I've been on both lynches, active and my role has been basically confirmed by Mark to be town. Do you not believe Mark?
    ffffffffffff
    I should play mafia when I'm not in class next time so that I can read more closely
    It's nice to see you've changed your mind on me.

    If I were you and you're town I would be doing anything not to get lynched right now. Is there anything you can say to help us?


    At this point if you get lynched and you're town then it's on you for not letting us know anything about you.
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    Completed I find it interesting that you put me in this...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1249)
    I guess I should out my legacy reads
    If I go over and y'all see hat green flip, y'all should eliminate Phoenix13, Thomas, and Destiny. Any order.
    I find it interesting that you put me in this group given that I've been on both lynches, active and my role has been basically confirmed by Mark to be town. Do you not believe Mark?
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    Completed I'm interested to know what MLT might possibly be...

    I'm interested to know what MLT might possibly be getting at but I really have to sleep now. Will try to be on before phase end tomorrow.
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    Completed I didn't like her attitude earlier in the game...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1185)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1183)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1180)
    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#1178)
    Yeah somehow forgot DT gave the checks. My b.
    oof
    I haven't removed my vote on you yet so it looks like you haven't done enough to make me remove it yet. Care to try harder?
    I would if it weren't about to be my bed time so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    What do you think of Phoenix13's no show, given the red flips?
    I didn't like her attitude earlier in the game when she said she would catch up and post and she never did. Regardless of her alignment it's boring to sign up and then not post.

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1194)
    goodnight, all! See y'all tomorrow!
    With this attitude I hope you understand if you are lynched given that you didn't try very hard to defend yourself.
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    Completed It's been quiet today so I'm guessing the thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1181)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1179)
    I'm afraid it looks like things are going to get busy later tonight and unfortunately that's when I'll be fast asleep.
    What do you mean "busy later tonight"?
    It's been quiet today so I'm guessing the thread will be busy later tonight. It's usually busy during the time I'm sleeping due to time zones.
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    Completed I haven't removed my vote on you yet so it looks...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1180)
    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#1178)
    Yeah somehow forgot DT gave the checks. My b.
    oof
    I haven't removed my vote on you yet so it looks like you haven't done enough to make me remove it yet. Care to try harder?
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    Completed I'm afraid it looks like things are going to get...

    I'm afraid it looks like things are going to get busy later tonight and unfortunately that's when I'll be fast asleep.
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    Completed I certainly respect you for being around. Even...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1175)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1174)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1173)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1172)
    Did you read his post prior to that? He felt that sooner rather than later he would be found out and caught when trying to steal and then when he tried to steal from you that happened.
    ohhhhh
    I did not read that post XD
    Trying to read every single post in the thread will help you immmensely in this game. So care to give me any reason to remove my vote?
    I'm trying to push the game forward (even by a little), which is more than what Emark, the two Phoenixes, and Hydreigon can say.
    I may have been incorrect on Tak and Pug on D1, but I'm confident on Phoenix13 being the correct elimination today.
    I certainly respect you for being around. Even when I'm scum I try to be as active as I can. Hiding is a boring strategy.
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    Completed Trying to read every single post in the thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1173)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1172)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1171)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1170)
    Other than you, then somebody quiet like Emark or Phoenix. It seems to be the same group of people talking right now which isn't helping matters.

    How do you feel about Mark trying to steal from you?
    Confusion, mainly
    I'm really confused about what Mark meant when he said "knew it!" or something like that
    Did you read his post prior to that? He felt that sooner rather than later he would be found out and caught when trying to steal and then when he tried to steal from you that happened.
    ohhhhh
    I did not read that post XD
    Trying to read every single post in the thread will help you immmensely in this game. So care to give me any reason to remove my vote?
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    Completed Did you read his post prior to that? He felt that...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1171)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1170)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1169)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1168)
    How would you respond to the votes on you? As of now you are the most likely candidate for a lynch today. Who do you suggest we look into instead of you?
    Why not Phoenix? She's pretty frozen rn which is pretty indicative of wolf rand (as a general rule)Who would you want to be punted into the sun (aside from me)?
    Other than you, then somebody quiet like Emark or Phoenix. It seems to be the same group of people talking right now which isn't helping matters.

    How do you feel about Mark trying to steal from you?
    Confusion, mainly
    I'm really confused about what Mark meant when he said "knew it!" or something like that
    Did you read his post prior to that? He felt that sooner rather than later he would be found out and caught when trying to steal and then when he tried to steal from you that happened.
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    Completed Other than you, then somebody quiet like Emark or...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1169)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1168)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1167)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1144)
    My RNG wont solve anything so I have nothing else to say.
    why are you relying on RNG to solve the game? It won't do anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#1157)
    Some scum leans in alpha order

    DoubtingThomas
    Emark
    EternalPhx
    Iggy
    P13

    Did I miss a green check on any of these?
    Not from what I recall, except for the fact that Thomas has green checks on Ace and Hydreigon.

    Quote Originally Posted by zergon (#1165)
    1. Thanks for the answers. On your read list, why is BATMAN back on the most townie category when you were pushing his lynch earlier?
    2. Also, any particular reason why DoubtingThomas is one of your main wolf reads and how you feel about Ace Marvel and Hydreigon25 considering DT cleared them?

    3. As for your question, not really. My main point against you (and one of the two reasons why I´m hesitant to go BATMAN´s way) is that you switched from defending BATMAN based on meta call (him never voting team mate) to wanting him lynched pretty quickly (because he dropped his vote on Takhitty even though you previously said that just putting his vote on Pugs/Takhitty would make him town based on your meta of him) and have now switched him back to most trusted. So as far as I see he did go from town lean to strongest wolf lean to one of the strongest town leans again between 1 - 2 day phases. Also your answer that meta changes didn´t particularly convince me when I asked you about that read change. Now maybe we undesrtand meta and it´s meaning diffirently but to me it´s previous knowledge on how people play when town/wolf/3rd party and while that can indeed change ovet time, I don´t think it´s supposed to happen during game when you still don´t know someone´s aligment as the meta is build around you knowing that certain person acted certain way when town/wolf. So basically what I´m trying to say that for me, meta is fact based information that I evaluate after game (or when person flips) when I know what aligment someone was, not something I revaluate during the game when I don´t yet know aligment of the said player. Not sure if I explained my view well here so anyone ask if something was left unclear and I try to explain again. Anyway, because of the quick changes from how you view BATMAN simply gave me a feeling that you could be wolf trying to push opportunistic lynch when other´s suspected BATMAN.
    1. Because now I understand things more now. I got context already, so I can return him to town read.
    2. I feel that if Thomas were town, he would be be to show it more? I'm not seeing what I saw in Naruto Mafia, for example.
    3. IIRC, there's been a post (maybe two?) from some people saying that Batman's Meta can change, like in an Anni game, for example. Stuff like that changed my perspective on his slot. But as I said before, I don't want to push him anymore. I know I'm going for WIFOM rn, but if I were wolf, I would never even try to eliminate him. That'd get me killed.
    How would you respond to the votes on you? As of now you are the most likely candidate for a lynch today. Who do you suggest we look into instead of you?
    Why not Phoenix? She's pretty frozen rn which is pretty indicative of wolf rand (as a general rule)Who would you want to be punted into the sun (aside from me)?
    Other than you, then somebody quiet like Emark or Phoenix. It seems to be the same group of people talking right now which isn't helping matters.

    How do you feel about Mark trying to steal from you?
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    Completed How would you respond to the votes on you? As of...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1167)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1144)
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#1143)
    Come on folks, we need discussion. We have about a day left and it seems to be between me, BATMAN, or ignoramus. I'd rather it not be me or the bat.
    My RNG wont solve anything so I have nothing else to say.
    why are you relying on RNG to solve the game? It won't do anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#1157)
    Some scum leans in alpha order

    DoubtingThomas
    Emark
    EternalPhx
    Iggy
    P13

    Did I miss a green check on any of these?
    Not from what I recall, except for the fact that Thomas has green checks on Ace and Hydreigon.

    Quote Originally Posted by zergon (#1165)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1114)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1065)
    I made the cases for others to vote them... once they were consensus I moved or unvoted and made it clear they should die. I owned both of them.... I was the leader, no need to vote when is a team game. Are you not paying attention?
    I pay attention well enough to have a gist of what is happening, but I do not read the thread very closely. But otherwise, your point is understood.

    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1077)
    I don’t see why people think mark is scum tbh.
    I..don't see it either? The only thing pointing to it is Ace's check on him

    Quote Originally Posted by zergon (#1083)
    Right, lets make a read list again so that I can go recheck after the game just how badly I was wrong this time:

    Likely town
    lukess1
    MLT
    Ace Marvel

    town lean:
    DoubtingThomas
    markisprettyok
    Astil
    Destinylives
    Hydreigon25
    BATMAN

    neutral:
    Phoenix13
    Emark
    EternalPhoenix

    likely wolf:
    ignoramus

    Right, from the top group, pretty sure they at least aren´t bandits, could still in theory be third party assuming that exists (except maybe lukess unless there´s a good reason why third party would have aligment cop).

    On the second group, this is too big for my liking and I don´t believe all the non-towns being in the bottom four so pretty sure there´s at least one non-town here. That said, no idea who and I have various reasons to currently believe they all could be town so here they are for time being.

    Third group is pretty much "not enough information to form solid opinion" group, need to solve them evetually somehow.

    As for Ignoramus, I´m starting to think she´s wolf as she was defended by Pugs early on, didn´t have her vote on either Takhitty or Pugs at the end of day 1 and had almost complete 180 turn on her BATMAN read during day 2 so this is were I will put my vote currently.

    ##Vote ignoramus

    @ignoramus
    Who are your strongest town leans at the moment?
    What about strongest wolf reads?
    Strongest town rn would be Batman, Astil, Lukess, MLT, and you.
    Strongest wolf reads would be Phoenix13, Destiny, and Thomas.

    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#1090)
    Ha! Called it!
    ???

    Quote Originally Posted by zergon (#1093)
    Guess I could answer this since I would be willing to discuss reads on both at the moment as I´m not sold on either being town despite currently reading them as such.

    On Mark´s case, I already touched this earlier but basically he´s vote was the 3rd on Pugs wagon and that made Pugs viable wagon on my opinion (before Mark switched votes it was 5 on lukess, two on Pugs and 2 on Takhitty) so while I know Mark can bus as wolf, I don´t think that was the place to do it and thus I don´t currently see him being aligmend with Bandits.

    On BATMAN, I could see him being wolf but there´s two reasons why I currently doubt it. First is that I´m suspecting Ignoramus and she turned from defending BATMAN (based on meta of him never bussing teammate) to suspect him from removing a vote from Takhitty even though she earlier cleared BATMAN from putting a vote on Pugs and Takhitty in the first place. Second thing is that Eliphas was against Esooa and BATMAN push and he´s the one ending dead, which makes me wonder if at least part of the reason he was taken out was because he would likely resist Esooa/BATMAN push this phase.
    Does the fact that I never knew the dos and don'ts of Batman's role change anything in your reads?
    1. Thanks for the answers. On your read list, why is BATMAN back on the most townie category when you were pushing his lynch earlier?
    2. Also, any particular reason why DoubtingThomas is one of your main wolf reads and how you feel about Ace Marvel and Hydreigon25 considering DT cleared them?

    3. As for your question, not really. My main point against you (and one of the two reasons why I´m hesitant to go BATMAN´s way) is that you switched from defending BATMAN based on meta call (him never voting team mate) to wanting him lynched pretty quickly (because he dropped his vote on Takhitty even though you previously said that just putting his vote on Pugs/Takhitty would make him town based on your meta of him) and have now switched him back to most trusted. So as far as I see he did go from town lean to strongest wolf lean to one of the strongest town leans again between 1 - 2 day phases. Also your answer that meta changes didn´t particularly convince me when I asked you about that read change. Now maybe we undesrtand meta and it´s meaning diffirently but to me it´s previous knowledge on how people play when town/wolf/3rd party and while that can indeed change ovet time, I don´t think it´s supposed to happen during game when you still don´t know someone´s aligment as the meta is build around you knowing that certain person acted certain way when town/wolf. So basically what I´m trying to say that for me, meta is fact based information that I evaluate after game (or when person flips) when I know what aligment someone was, not something I revaluate during the game when I don´t yet know aligment of the said player. Not sure if I explained my view well here so anyone ask if something was left unclear and I try to explain again. Anyway, because of the quick changes from how you view BATMAN simply gave me a feeling that you could be wolf trying to push opportunistic lynch when other´s suspected BATMAN.
    1. Because now I understand things more now. I got context already, so I can return him to town read.
    2. I feel that if Thomas were town, he would be be to show it more? I'm not seeing what I saw in Naruto Mafia, for example.
    3. IIRC, there's been a post (maybe two?) from some people saying that Batman's Meta can change, like in an Anni game, for example. Stuff like that changed my perspective on his slot. But as I said before, I don't want to push him anymore. I know I'm going for WIFOM rn, but if I were wolf, I would never even try to eliminate him. That'd get me killed.
    How would you respond to the votes on you? As of now you are the most likely candidate for a lynch today. Who do you suggest we look into instead of you?
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    Completed I understand what you're saying mate and I feel...

    Quote Originally Posted by zergon (#1165)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1114)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1065)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1058)
    I made that because of the fact that you didn't vote the now-flipped wolves. I thought that was..weird, to say the least.
    I made the cases for others to vote them... once they were consensus I moved or unvoted and made it clear they should die. I owned both of them.... I was the leader, no need to vote when is a team game. Are you not paying attention?
    I pay attention well enough to have a gist of what is happening, but I do not read the thread very closely. But otherwise, your point is understood.

    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1077)
    I don’t see why people think mark is scum tbh.
    I..don't see it either? The only thing pointing to it is Ace's check on him

    Quote Originally Posted by zergon (#1083)
    Right, lets make a read list again so that I can go recheck after the game just how badly I was wrong this time:

    Likely town
    lukess1
    MLT
    Ace Marvel

    town lean:
    DoubtingThomas
    markisprettyok
    Astil
    Destinylives
    Hydreigon25
    BATMAN

    neutral:
    Phoenix13
    Emark
    EternalPhoenix

    likely wolf:
    ignoramus

    Right, from the top group, pretty sure they at least aren´t bandits, could still in theory be third party assuming that exists (except maybe lukess unless there´s a good reason why third party would have aligment cop).

    On the second group, this is too big for my liking and I don´t believe all the non-towns being in the bottom four so pretty sure there´s at least one non-town here. That said, no idea who and I have various reasons to currently believe they all could be town so here they are for time being.

    Third group is pretty much "not enough information to form solid opinion" group, need to solve them evetually somehow.

    As for Ignoramus, I´m starting to think she´s wolf as she was defended by Pugs early on, didn´t have her vote on either Takhitty or Pugs at the end of day 1 and had almost complete 180 turn on her BATMAN read during day 2 so this is were I will put my vote currently.

    ##Vote ignoramus

    @ignoramus
    Who are your strongest town leans at the moment?
    What about strongest wolf reads?
    Strongest town rn would be Batman, Astil, Lukess, MLT, and you.
    Strongest wolf reads would be Phoenix13, Destiny, and Thomas.

    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#1090)
    Quote Originally Posted by Darr (#1089)
    The town noticed markisprettyok trying to steal from Ignoramus!
    Ha! Called it!
    ???

    Quote Originally Posted by zergon (#1093)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1084)
    Okay so everyone is town then.
    I don't have meta in most if any of you, so I can't use that.

    If we follow my meta I'm never mafia and I die N3, 99%. Which honestly does not clear me.

    What I'm feeling right now is that a lot of players are clearing suspects without giving a new one, so the discussion closes.

    And about the potion steal, it can go the same why as to me not claiming 1 shot, and then saying I didn't kill anyone N2 because my hammer was stolen. And why would mafia need a potion that you specify you only used 50% of? And that would means that you had half of a potion, so you wouldn't need to craft a new one, since you had already one, and I'm having a hard time believing that you not voting in a game that need 1/3 to even kill someone a requirement for your actions, unless you are a third party, that you are clearly not, because at this point you should claim it, because mafia would limit their pool of potential killings, and you have new allies. So that leave me with the impression that you are simply mafia.

    Why reveal Tak as the vig?
    Why remove your vote before it was secure?

    I think the plan was to move votes away from pugs to take, because he is a low poster and you didn't expect people to change votes, but when the two wagons were created, mafia need to work with that, and now is clear that having an inside man was more important.

    Since I don't have any chat, I assume that if we have masons, it's the adventurers guild, so maybe Tak was part of the chat. idk.

    People are saying Batman would not buss a player, well I can't say the same, so taking that out, I honestly can see how this is helping town in the slightest.


    I said mark is mafia, and no one sees that
    I said Batman is mafia and an army come to Batman's defense.

    So @BATMAN if you somehow are really town, who is pocketing you? Because someone is stoping us from having a candidate.
    Guess I could answer this since I would be willing to discuss reads on both at the moment as I´m not sold on either being town despite currently reading them as such.

    On Mark´s case, I already touched this earlier but basically he´s vote was the 3rd on Pugs wagon and that made Pugs viable wagon on my opinion (before Mark switched votes it was 5 on lukess, two on Pugs and 2 on Takhitty) so while I know Mark can bus as wolf, I don´t think that was the place to do it and thus I don´t currently see him being aligmend with Bandits.

    On BATMAN, I could see him being wolf but there´s two reasons why I currently doubt it. First is that I´m suspecting Ignoramus and she turned from defending BATMAN (based on meta of him never bussing teammate) to suspect him from removing a vote from Takhitty even though she earlier cleared BATMAN from putting a vote on Pugs and Takhitty in the first place. Second thing is that Eliphas was against Esooa and BATMAN push and he´s the one ending dead, which makes me wonder if at least part of the reason he was taken out was because he would likely resist Esooa/BATMAN push this phase.
    Does the fact that I never knew the dos and don'ts of Batman's role change anything in your reads?
    Thanks for the answers. On your read list, why is BATMAN back on the most townie category when you were pushing his lynch earlier? Also, any particular reason why DoubtingThomas is one of your main wolf reads and how you feel about Ace Marvel and Hydreigon25 considering DT cleared them?

    As for your question, not really. My main point against you (and one of the two reasons why I´m hesitant to go BATMAN´s way) is that you switched from defending BATMAN based on meta call (him never voting team mate) to wanting him lynched pretty quickly (because he dropped his vote on Takhitty even though you previously said that just putting his vote on Pugs/Takhitty would make him town based on your meta of him) and have now switched him back to most trusted. So as far as I see he did go from town lean to strongest wolf lean to one of the strongest town leans again between 1 - 2 day phases. Also your answer that meta changes didn´t particularly convince me when I asked you about that read change. Now maybe we undesrtand meta and it´s meaning diffirently but to me it´s previous knowledge on how people play when town/wolf/3rd party and while that can indeed change ovet time, I don´t think it´s supposed to happen during game when you still don´t know someone´s aligment as the meta is build around you knowing that certain person acted certain way when town/wolf. So basically what I´m trying to say that for me, meta is fact based information that I evaluate after game (or when person flips) when I know what aligment someone was, not something I revaluate during the game when I don´t yet know aligment of the said player. Not sure if I explained my view well here so anyone ask if something was left unclear and I try to explain again. Anyway, because of the quick changes from how you view BATMAN simply gave me a feeling that you could be wolf trying to push opportunistic lynch when other´s suspected BATMAN.
    I understand what you're saying mate and I feel your view of "meta" is the same as mine here. Would love to hear what ignoramus has to say.
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    Completed It doesn't mean that Hydre is mafia at all, as...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1162)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1161)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1158)
    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#1157)
    Some scum leans in alpha order

    DoubtingThomas
    Emark
    EternalPhx
    Iggy
    P13

    Did I miss a green check on any of these?
    The fact that DoubtingThomas gave a green check to Hydro and myself, makes me think they are town. Why take me out of the voting pool, making it easier for town to eliminate mafia.
    Just playing devil's advocate here. If you are scum and faking an investigative role, it would make sense to mix scum and town in your fake results.
    DoubtingThomas knew my role, just not the actual action, and asking me to use it on them made me extremely suspicious and I have this feeling that something is off. But that would only mean that Hydre is mafia if this is a strategy. I really want to believe this is town motivated.

    But then again I just do RNG and I'm useless to the solving of this game, so I will continue doing my thing.
    It doesn't mean that Hydre is mafia at all, as like I said if something is off with DT he would be smart to mix in fake town and scum green checks.

    On the latter, nobody said you were useless but just that the RNG element of your cards takes away a bit of credibility for many of us.
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    Completed Just playing devil's advocate here. If you are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1158)
    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#1157)
    Some scum leans in alpha order

    DoubtingThomas
    Emark
    EternalPhx
    Iggy
    P13

    Did I miss a green check on any of these?
    The fact that DoubtingThomas gave a green check to Hydro and myself, makes me think they are town. Why take me out of the voting pool, making it easier for town to eliminate mafia.
    Just playing devil's advocate here. If you are scum and faking an investigative role, it would make sense to mix scum and town in your fake results.
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    Completed This doesn't seem like something a scumster would...

    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#1151)
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#1148)
    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#1147)
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#1126)
    If this goes south just pay attention to those who want to eliminate a member of the guild.
    So I thought about it and I think I even had 'thief' among my initial guild possibilities. But then play like this makes me think you're scum. We'll circle back to you another day.

    Why do you trust Batman?
    Would you be willing to go a Phoenix13 direction?
    What I received doesn't seem like a scum thing.

    Why Phoenix13 over ignoramus?
    The 25% protect potion?
    This doesn't seem like something a scumster would be manufacturing so I'm willing to believe BATMAN for you. You seem to be the only one of Mark's "victims" who is still unsure about him.

    Mark, without giving out any information, how exactly did you learn what I do?
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    Completed Like Mark I'd also like to know why you would...

    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#1147)
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#1126)
    If this goes south just pay attention to those who want to eliminate a member of the guild.
    So I thought about it and I think I even had 'thief' among my initial guild possibilities. But then play like this makes me think you're scum. We'll circle back to you another day.

    Why do you trust Batman?
    Would you be willing to go a Phoenix13 direction?
    Like Mark I'd also like to know why you would prefer to go after Phoenix13 over ignoramus. Honestly I don't feel good about either of them.

    Do you think ignoramus is town?
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    Completed I'm fine with you thinking that way considering...

    Quote Originally Posted by Emark (#1080)
    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1077)
    I don’t see why people think mark is scum tbh.
    At this point, I agree that I'm not seeing Mark in a wolfie light.

    @BATMAN Just to clarify, it was the red check from lukess1 that caught Tak, not your tunneling.

    @Destinylives you are a neutral/wolf lean for me just based on shutting down questions about you and info from you but more than willing to fish for actions from others. No evidence mind you just my perception.
    I'm fine with you thinking that way considering you have offered very little so far this game. I don't want people to out my role.

    Quote Originally Posted by zergon (#1083)
    Right, lets make a read list again so that I can go recheck after the game just how badly I was wrong this time:

    Likely town
    lukess1
    MLT
    Ace Marvel

    town lean:
    DoubtingThomas
    markisprettyok
    Astil
    Destinylives
    Hydreigon25
    BATMAN

    neutral:
    Phoenix13
    Emark
    EternalPhoenix

    likely wolf:
    ignoramus

    Right, from the top group, pretty sure they at least aren´t bandits, could still in theory be third party assuming that exists (except maybe lukess unless there´s a good reason why third party would have aligment cop).

    On the second group, this is too big for my liking and I don´t believe all the non-towns being in the bottom four so pretty sure there´s at least one non-town here. That said, no idea who and I have various reasons to currently believe they all could be town so here they are for time being.

    Third group is pretty much "not enough information to form solid opinion" group, need to solve them evetually somehow.

    As for Ignoramus, I´m starting to think she´s wolf as she was defended by Pugs early on, didn´t have her vote on either Takhitty or Pugs at the end of day 1 and had almost complete 180 turn on her BATMAN read during day 2 so this is were I will put my vote currently.

    ##Vote ignoramus

    @ignoramus
    Who are your strongest town leans at the moment?
    What about strongest wolf reads?
    I like this list.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1096)
    @Destinylives @Astil can you confirm you were robbed?
    I can't confirm it but for the record I do believe Mark.

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1114)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1065)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1058)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1056)
    I’m confused, you know I don’t buss. Why did u say if takk is wolf that I was a good shot? That makes no sense. Why
    I made that because of the fact that you didn't vote the now-flipped wolves. I thought that was..weird, to say the least.
    I made the cases for others to vote them... once they were consensus I moved or unvoted and made it clear they should die. I owned both of them.... I was the leader, no need to vote when is a team game. Are you not paying attention?
    I pay attention well enough to have a gist of what is happening, but I do not read the thread very closely. But otherwise, your point is understood.

    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1077)
    I don’t see why people think mark is scum tbh.
    I..don't see it either? The only thing pointing to it is Ace's check on him

    Quote Originally Posted by zergon (#1083)
    Right, lets make a read list again so that I can go recheck after the game just how badly I was wrong this time:

    Likely town
    lukess1
    MLT
    Ace Marvel

    town lean:
    DoubtingThomas
    markisprettyok
    Astil
    Destinylives
    Hydreigon25
    BATMAN

    neutral:
    Phoenix13
    Emark
    EternalPhoenix

    likely wolf:
    ignoramus

    Right, from the top group, pretty sure they at least aren´t bandits, could still in theory be third party assuming that exists (except maybe lukess unless there´s a good reason why third party would have aligment cop).

    On the second group, this is too big for my liking and I don´t believe all the non-towns being in the bottom four so pretty sure there´s at least one non-town here. That said, no idea who and I have various reasons to currently believe they all could be town so here they are for time being.

    Third group is pretty much "not enough information to form solid opinion" group, need to solve them evetually somehow.

    As for Ignoramus, I´m starting to think she´s wolf as she was defended by Pugs early on, didn´t have her vote on either Takhitty or Pugs at the end of day 1 and had almost complete 180 turn on her BATMAN read during day 2 so this is were I will put my vote currently.

    ##Vote ignoramus

    @ignoramus
    Who are your strongest town leans at the moment?
    What about strongest wolf reads?
    Strongest town rn would be Batman, Astil, Lukess, MLT, and you.
    Strongest wolf reads would be Phoenix13, Destiny, and Thomas.

    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#1090)
    Quote Originally Posted by Darr (#1089)
    The town noticed markisprettyok trying to steal from Ignoramus!
    Ha! Called it!
    ???

    Quote Originally Posted by zergon (#1093)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1084)
    Okay so everyone is town then.
    I don't have meta in most if any of you, so I can't use that.

    If we follow my meta I'm never mafia and I die N3, 99%. Which honestly does not clear me.

    What I'm feeling right now is that a lot of players are clearing suspects without giving a new one, so the discussion closes.

    And about the potion steal, it can go the same why as to me not claiming 1 shot, and then saying I didn't kill anyone N2 because my hammer was stolen. And why would mafia need a potion that you specify you only used 50% of? And that would means that you had half of a potion, so you wouldn't need to craft a new one, since you had already one, and I'm having a hard time believing that you not voting in a game that need 1/3 to even kill someone a requirement for your actions, unless you are a third party, that you are clearly not, because at this point you should claim it, because mafia would limit their pool of potential killings, and you have new allies. So that leave me with the impression that you are simply mafia.

    Why reveal Tak as the vig?
    Why remove your vote before it was secure?

    I think the plan was to move votes away from pugs to take, because he is a low poster and you didn't expect people to change votes, but when the two wagons were created, mafia need to work with that, and now is clear that having an inside man was more important.

    Since I don't have any chat, I assume that if we have masons, it's the adventurers guild, so maybe Tak was part of the chat. idk.

    People are saying Batman would not buss a player, well I can't say the same, so taking that out, I honestly can see how this is helping town in the slightest.


    I said mark is mafia, and no one sees that
    I said Batman is mafia and an army come to Batman's defense.

    So @BATMAN if you somehow are really town, who is pocketing you? Because someone is stoping us from having a candidate.
    Guess I could answer this since I would be willing to discuss reads on both at the moment as I´m not sold on either being town despite currently reading them as such.

    On Mark´s case, I already touched this earlier but basically he´s vote was the 3rd on Pugs wagon and that made Pugs viable wagon on my opinion (before Mark switched votes it was 5 on lukess, two on Pugs and 2 on Takhitty) so while I know Mark can bus as wolf, I don´t think that was the place to do it and thus I don´t currently see him being aligmend with Bandits.

    On BATMAN, I could see him being wolf but there´s two reasons why I currently doubt it. First is that I´m suspecting Ignoramus and she turned from defending BATMAN (based on meta of him never bussing teammate) to suspect him from removing a vote from Takhitty even though she earlier cleared BATMAN from putting a vote on Pugs and Takhitty in the first place. Second thing is that Eliphas was against Esooa and BATMAN push and he´s the one ending dead, which makes me wonder if at least part of the reason he was taken out was because he would likely resist Esooa/BATMAN push this phase.
    Does the fact that I never knew the dos and don'ts of Batman's role change anything in your reads?
    ##Vote ignoramus

    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#1143)
    Come on folks, we need discussion. We have about a day left and it seems to be between me, BATMAN, or ignoramus. I'd rather it not be me or the bat.
    I just woke up and caught up mate. Will try to be online for most of the day but then will have to sleep again before end of phase.
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    Completed Honestly I'd take a wild shot at one of those who...

    Quote Originally Posted by zergon (#1074)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#1070)
    So quiet in here. I was on both lynches. Do you think I'm scum?
    It´s indeed quiet. If this would be end of phase and you would be the only one who can vote, who would you lynch right now?
    Honestly I'd take a wild shot at one of those who hasn't posted yet this phase.
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    Completed So quiet in here. I was on both lynches. Do you...

    So quiet in here. I was on both lynches. Do you think I'm scum?
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    Completed BATMAN coming forward with details about his role...

    BATMAN coming forward with details about his role makes me feel better about him but I'd still like confirmation from someone that they've actually received a potion at some point. Are you cooking today Batman?
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    Completed I don't think there are any players here who...

    Quote Originally Posted by zergon (#1048)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoubtingThomas (#1032)
    i still have town read on Astil and scum read on batman. batman because I scum read him on a lot of things that I won't get too in depth, because I don't want him to change his meta. but essentially, as town he presents himself in the thread as a huge focal point, he's willing to engage everyone in a very out-going manner. whenever he feels like he's more tunneled/focus on a few people and doesn't have the wild presence in the thread, that's when he's scum. I can describe it maybe as.. more interested in picking on fights with a few people and not really trying to solve the entire game kinda feel. so i think he's scum here
    Do you think what BATMAN and Ignoramus said on BATMAN´s meta is correct? Mainly the part that he would never vote a teammate?

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#711)
    Quote Originally Posted by MLT (#680)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#678)
    Mlt my lady, what do you think of me or tak?
    What do you make of essoa and did you pick anything up about people who interacte with pugs yesterday?
    I'd likely lean toward Tak, but you are on my list of suspicious people based on votes yesterday.

    Well you are free to push me and I can see why you are doing it. I don’t blame you a ton but you are wrong. That’s not how I play scum, I would have never push my partner even a lil let alone vote her
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#784)
    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#724)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#711)
    Well you are free to push me and I can see why you are doing it. I don’t blame you a ton but you are wrong. That’s not how I play scum, I would have never push my partner even a lil let alone vote her
    Yes you would. Just looking at your meta shows examples of bussing scum mates d1.

    Nope
    He never bussed in all the w/w games I've played with him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#744)
    I'm having a hard time believing D1 Tak wagon is all town.
    So who are the wolves in there?

    Quote Originally Posted by zergon (#748)
    Morning everyone. So... one of my few town reads flipped wolf and the two I suspected after day 1 end up dead and both are town... yeah, that about checks out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Takhitty (#520)
    No, sorry. Pugkin's no longer third on any bandwaggon… should I vote for mark or Kurosaki or Ace Marvel? It's a throwaway vote and, to her credit, Pugkin didn't flinch. But she also didn't answer the second part of my accusation.We've never played together before but I'm never good on D1-D2 (nailing the mafia vigilante who was also doing the faction kill and winning us two extra rounds last game was an exception). And I'm not a high poster in MU games usually either.Overnight analysis of waggonomics is something I can do, actually, but for that we need a flip and I read there's a minimum seven votes for a lynch so I think I should stay on Pugkin just for the information.Actually my blocking Anaxagore that game was based on results, but for that, yes, I needed the flip.Due to a RL thing I probably won't be around for EOD, so I've just skimmed through the last 300+ posts and other than BATMAN doing the usual nonindicative confusion-fu, most people I don't know so can't compare, and somebody did an @ on my username with the word K-Pop included so that person should die. And MU notifications tell me that that is Pugkin so for D1 it'll do?
    I know this is from last phase and things have moved on since then but just wanted to thank for answering my question. As for not being high poster and needing info before being able to make reads, I think you find there´s plenty of that type of players in GDS so you fit in just fine.
    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#613)
    My result.
    Interesting, one thing about Pugs that made me wonder was why she didn´t move her vote on Takhitty so this might be why.
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#634)
    I'm also wondering why two people who voted Tahkitty were killed. What reason does mafia have to kill them? Certainly, the kill is nothing to do with wanting them out of the game in particular. After last day, no one had a reason to think they're town, and no one had a reason to PR read them. I think the kill was made so that Tahkitty can be the lynch for today
    That´s kind of what I wondered as well. That said, while it reads like both of the kills were from bandits, as Astil pointed out, it´s possible one of them is from town vig or third party.
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#639)
    Do you know tak is town? You do not right?I also started the Pug wagon so get it correct. They killed in the tak wagon because she’s a wolf and there’s wolves voting pug where no one voted tak. Which just means she’s the VIG. Therefore one of the kills last night was tak.I am the greatest for a reason. You are not cuz you don’t even know how to read a vote count or have any knowledge of normal gameplay. Is it very easy stuff, you have blinders on. Open your eyes
    Who on the Pugs wagon you think might be wolf?
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#642)
    You flipped on maf and started a counter wagon to them, I don't think you really get very much credit for RVS on them. "They killed in the tak wagon because she’s a wolf and there’s wolves voting pug where no one voted tak. Which just means she’s the VIG. Therefore one of the kills last night was tak." This makes no sense. Pug is the vigi? Also, look at their day1. Do you really think their aligned? Also, why are you so eager to push a check at the start of a 48 hour day? Maybe Tahk will be the lynch, I can easily see that. But we might as well discuss things that are obviously out of place, like the kills, like you.
    Ummm, you do realize that Lukess were the top wagon when Batman put his vote on Takhitty right? So if he looked to make counter wagon, wouldn´t that link him into Lukess rather than Pugs?As for discussion, yes, we should do that regardless of the night results.
    Quote Originally Posted by MLT (#651)
    As for how votes played out yesterday. These people look iffy to me. Astil LeionAceLukeBatman
    I can somewhat see the rest even if I don´t agree on Batman nor lukess looking wolfy based on voting but why Ace?He did hammer Pugs after all.
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#684)
    I know his Meta (I've played with him numerous times before) and I'm not sold on this one. He normally treats his teammates differently.I'm also wondering why two people who voted Tahkitty were killed. What reason does mafia have to kill them? Certainly, the kill is nothing to do with wanting them out of the game in particular. After last day, no one had a reason to think they're town, and no one had a reason to PR read them. I think the kill was made so that Tahkitty can be the lynch for todayHonestly feels like a really thought out ploy to frame him but then again could just be WIFOM
    Can you specify how Batman threats his teammatess differendly if wolf?
    Quote Originally Posted by DoubtingThomas (#697)
    I received information (could be useless) that there are 4 adventurer's guild people
    Back in previous game, some townies were from adventurer´s guild and some were from town so maybe similar thing is going on here?

    As a general rule, he makes sure that he has full control over the thread. He controls the elimination, everyone town reads him, etc. He ignores lots of his teammates/makes sure to draw attention away from them and onto himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#751)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#750)
    markisprettyok - The EmperorAstil - The Towerlukess1 - The Wheel of FortuneDestinylives - The Hanged Manzergon - JudgementHydreigon25 - TemeperanceBATMAN - The Devilignoramus - Strength Eliphas - JusticeEmark - DeathLeionhart - The MagicianEternalPhoenix - The WorldDoubtingThomas - The FoolMLT - The HierophantEsooa - The High PriestessPugsgiving Feast - The EmpressAce Marvel - The ChariotKurosaki Ichigo - The StarTakhitty - The MoonPhoenix13 The Hermit
    Leionhart was meant to be green
    What's this for?

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#756)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#599)
    Ellin's Grove 1.5: Journey to the Grove Day 1 Votecount
    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    7 Pugsgiving Feast Takhitty (5), Destinylives (31), markisprettyok (40), MLT (18), lukess1 (33), Esooa (54), Ace Marvel (49)
    5 Takhitty BATMAN (48), zergon (41), Kurosaki Ichigo (39), Astil (37), Leionhart (14)
    2 lukess1 Eliphas (29), Pugsgiving Feast (89)
    6 Not voting Hydreigon25 (5), Emark (1), EternalPhoenix (8), DoubtingThomas (3), Phoenix13 (5), ignoramus (22)
    View Vote History
    Day 1 ends at 9:00 PM EST on Tuesday, November 17th, 2020. There are 1605664860000 remaining.
    I think mark and destiny or at least one of them is probably scum if any scum in pugs wagon. Others off wagon or not voting
    Who do you think is the mafia off-wagon? And why Destiny and/or Mark as the wolves on the wagon?

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#759)
    Yeah I don’t think ace is cleared.
    I think (even without the check) he is? I mean
    If he were mafia, he wouldn't have needed to hammer Pugs at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by zergon (#775)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#772)
    I just think he’s not lock clear. I don’t know which is the real check, time will tell. I don’t find ace very wolfy per say. He could be town but I’m not so sure
    Fair enough, three aligment results makes me feel there´s fake one as well even though fake results aren´t common in GDS games.

    Also! Which among the three do you think is the fake one?
    I don't think there are any players here who would never vote for a team mate. That's suicidal as scum.
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    Completed These tarot cards are just made by a RNG right?...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1033)
    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#1025)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1023)
    The Empress was a bandit
    The Emperor could be a bandit

    and people don't want to go for Batman so yeah
    ???
    like I said in the beginning I use my tarot reads to solve the game so far the empress and the moon are confirmed bandits, so it seems fitting that the emperor could be too.
    These tarot cards are just made by a RNG right? I'm sorry but I don't really believe in that. I mean each to their own but it's not something I'll be using to solve the game.

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubtingThomas (#1043)
    @Destinylives i think i have a semi info on you
    You're welcome to keep that to yourself thanks.
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    Completed Add me to the list of people that want to know...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1016)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1015)
    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1013)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#1012)
    Why??
    I was so sus of them from defending tah
    That was a bad shot cuz wolves wouldn’t defend someone who’s red peeked
    I agree, anyways I wont budge with my vote.
    Add me to the list of people that want to know why.
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    Completed You've just made plenty of posts but I...

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliphas (#933)
    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#657)
    @Esooa Don't worry about Batman if Tak is town.
    I don't understand this?
    You've just made plenty of posts but I particularly don't like this one. Nevermind
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    Completed If you are town and don't want to be lynched...

    Quote Originally Posted by Takhitty (#911)
    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#870)
    This is a very weak defense
    I know, but in a situation like this a lot of things are going to get crippled.
    If you come out with such a claim then of course the mechanical claim must be tested.

    I was in the same situation in the James Bond mafia game two weeks ago: I'd actually roleblocked the mafia vigilante who'd also decided to do the regular kill and our JOAT had not used a protection ability, so my target was mechanically caught. There was little discussion to be had. I would never have posted that only a few hours into a 48-hour day phase, but I'd survived a mislynch in absentia by just one vote on D1 and a new waggon on me was beginning to form and majority lynches were enabled.

    As for myself, I've already hinted that I have a day ability. At this point it won't have much of an effect because it's a targetless one and we would not feel the effects until D3 in any case.
    Since I don't know exactly how lukess1's ‘partial’ check works or what it is that he is supposed to have seen then there's not much I can defend against at this point.


    btw fake edit: Ace Marvel why on Earth would you out yourself as one-off vigilante?
    If you are town and don't want to be lynched today you're going to have to give us more than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#918)
    Quote Originally Posted by MLT (#857)
    @zergon the ones on my list are purely from voting yesterday. I'm not sure how I feel about most people yet...

    I do feel strongly that Batman is not here to help us.. Either he's balls scum, or a different team than Pug...
    I am 100% a team diff than pugs. Hint: rhymes with own.
    Is there a "bone" team? That doesn't sound promising for town.
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    Completed It would appear that he thought he knew your role...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#907)
    Quote Originally Posted by Emark (#900)
    Quote Originally Posted by DoubtingThomas (#734)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#728)
    Duh!

    I was not expecting anyone to out me.
    i know ur role. i am town so you should do your night action on me
    This comment/exchange intrigued me. Obviously I have nothing to go on but sounds like a cover job of aligned folks. I give you a green check, so you give me a green check and that's two free nights so to speak. Again, no reason to disbelieve because green checks are a good thing, but something else to throw out there.
    I agree, specially because my role is one shot vig.
    It would appear that he thought he knew your role but got it wrong maybe.
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    Completed My apologies. I get confused for a girl on here a...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix13 (#881)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#879)
    Quote Originally Posted by MLT (#875)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#874)
    Not a lot to catch up on for me this morning. I'm still waiting for your thoughts.
    Phoenix13
    @Phoenix13 maybe tagging him might help. That's where my vote would be going if we didn't have a red check in play.
    her*

    And tagging me again won't really help
    My apologies. I get confused for a girl on here a lot so I understand the frustration.

    Still, as MLT said, we would love to hear any game related thoughts you might have.

    Tagging does seem to help as you pop up as soon as your name is mentioned.
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    Completed Phoenix13 maybe tagging him might help. That's...

    Quote Originally Posted by MLT (#875)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#874)
    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix13 (#869)
    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#866)
    Hi, sorry for not talking yet today, I'll be here to read and catch up in about an hour or two
    Not a lot to catch up on for me this morning. I'm still waiting for your thoughts.
    Phoenix13
    @Phoenix13 maybe tagging him might help. That's where my vote would be going if we didn't have a red check in play.
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    Completed Not a lot to catch up on for me this morning. I'm...

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix13 (#869)
    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#866)
    Hi, sorry for not talking yet today, I'll be here to read and catch up in about an hour or two
    Not a lot to catch up on for me this morning. I'm still waiting for your thoughts.
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    Completed Just got home. The movie was called Freaky and it...

    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#811)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#810)
    It's quiet around here and I'm about to see a movie at the cinema ("Freaky") and then will likely sleep but will try to catch up in the morning.

    Is the movie called Freaky or is it Freaky that you can go to the cinema?
    Just got home. The movie was called Freaky and it wasn't bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#816)
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#811)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#810)
    It's quiet around here and I'm about to see a movie at the cinema ("Freaky") and then will likely sleep but will try to catch up in the morning.
    Is the movie called Freaky or is it Freaky that you can go to the cinema?
    I think she means is freaky because there’s a pandemic
    I live in Thailand and there are basically no cases here. Life is basically back to normal other than not being able to go home this Christmas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Emark (#840)
    @Destinylives you said very early on "We need me". Can you expand on that without giving away the farm?
    Not right now. Do you have any other thoughts?

    Sleep time for me.
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    Completed It's quiet around here and I'm about to see a...

    It's quiet around here and I'm about to see a movie at the cinema ("Freaky") and then will likely sleep but will try to catch up in the morning.
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    Completed Still waiting for Emark to pop his head back in....

    Still waiting for Emark to pop his head back in. Want to hear from a few more people today.
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    Completed It's done now and for what it's worth I see no...

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#801)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#794)
    At this point, it pretty clear that there will be not enough sus on me to vote me off, which makes me a target

    I will like to share the following info:
    mafia or 3rd party did not summit a kill for N1, if its mandatory, it was the 3rd party
    I take responsibility for killing Kurosaki Ichigo, I am the town blacksmith, 1 shot vig, that is why the hammer was the murder weapon.

    So we can assume that mafia uses stabbing as means of killing.
    We can also assume that they also attacked the caravan, but it was protected, whoever did that, do not claim.

    I will continue the game as a vanilla town, so no real use for me and I will happily be the kill for N2, mafia knows it and I know it. Saying that I don't get why DoubtingThomas said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubtingThomas (#734)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#728)
    Duh!

    I was not expecting anyone to out me.
    i know ur role. i am town so you should do your night action on me
    Why Kurosaki Ichigo?
    I did not liked at all the defense of Pugs and I wanted to use it N1, since me hammering could me I would potentially be a target, and this was something useful for town, sadly it backfired.
    I believe that but why out this info? No reason for it, most people have you as town and you were like a late tinfoil at best.
    Well if it helps I see why you would kill ichigo after reading his eod. It happens
    It's done now and for what it's worth I see no reason not to believe it. His vanilla claim can easily be checked later on if needed.
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    Completed Ace is a strange choice. If it wasn't for him...

    Quote Originally Posted by MLT (#651)
    As for how votes played out yesterday. These people look iffy to me.

    Astil
    Leion
    Ace
    Luke
    Batman
    Ace is a strange choice. If it wasn't for him hammering then we wouldn't have lynched scum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#690)
    Quote Originally Posted by Darr (#607)
    The death of the Bandit Prince caused a shakeup within the bandits' hierarchy. Chaos reigned in the forest, and many bandits, without guidance, chose to take matters into their own hands. A disorganized band made their way to the caravan for an all out assault, but were easily dispatched by the guards.
    Seems like enough of us chose to protect the caravan.

    However some of the stealthier bandits were able to sneak into the camp. The group awoke to find 2 dead, some belongings ransacked, and a wagon with a broken axle. One of the dead had been stabbed
    Probably the mafia kill. Wonder if the stolen goods is FLAVA~ or mechanical.

    , while the other looked like his brains had been smashed in by a blacksmith's hammer.
    Reads more like a vig kill. Blacksmith just seems like a town role, right?

    Also semidark. Nice.
    /nod to all points.

    Quote Originally Posted by Takhitty (#691)
    It's already early Thursday in this timezone, so I'll make one post and disappear for the (RL) night:

    OOC, about rules breaks: take it up with the mods in private first. Especially in a Partner Community subforum, because such a type of forum is (in the words of a moderator regarding a recent similar issue) a way of MU lending other communities and websites the Modbot but not usually enforcing the rules, so the original rules of such a community tend to take precedence. They tend to have a Partner Community Representative, too.
    This is general advice.

    Back IC: I am flagged as a Cowardly Guard: I can guard the caravan but am supposed to cower in fear in a fight unless we outnumber the attackers. I have no other night abilities. So I don't know what lukess is supposed to have seen. *spreads hands*
    ##Vote Takhitty

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubtingThomas (#721)
    ace marvel n1 green check btw
    This was unnecessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#758)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#756)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#599)
    Ellin's Grove 1.5: Journey to the Grove Day 1 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    7 Pugsgiving Feast Takhitty (5), Destinylives (31), markisprettyok (40), MLT (18), lukess1 (33), Esooa (54), Ace Marvel (49)
    5 Takhitty BATMAN (48), zergon (41), Kurosaki Ichigo (39), Astil (37), Leionhart (14)
    2 lukess1 Eliphas (29), Pugsgiving Feast (89)
    6 Not voting Hydreigon25 (5), Emark (1), EternalPhoenix (8), DoubtingThomas (3), Phoenix13 (5), ignoramus (22)

    View Vote History

    Day 1 ends at 9:00 PM EST on Tuesday, November 17th, 2020. There are 1605664860000 remaining.

    I think mark and destiny or at least one of them is probably scum if any scum in pugs wagon. Others off wagon or not voting
    For someone so amazing you sure are wrong a lot.

    0 for 2 on this one.
    /nod. Does this mean you won't kill me yet?
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    Completed Interesting. I must say I'm pleased with the...

    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#608)
    ##Vote Takhitty
    Wyd last night?
    Interesting. I must say I'm pleased with the result yesterday. Doesn't look good to lose our doctor this early though.

    Working all day today but will try to catch up when I can.

    I suggest we look into who was hesitant to vote for Pug yesterday.
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    Completed It means I don't have a read on him yet due to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#324)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#321)
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#299)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#289)


    You are correct, but opening post says that it must be at least 1/3. So with 20 players the vote would have to end with like 7 votes on a person. Phase won't end early with a majority either it seems.

    Hey! Nice to see someone else who uses that. I've only done the math in regards to majority games as we've only recently converted to plurality, but I'll probably go back and look at the games we've played here and see what the math says.

    ##Unvote Destinylives

    I will not have my vengeance today.

    Tangent, after playing many moons with @Destinylives, I have begun reading his posts as Drax from Guardians.

    I don't know if I've ever been a D1 elimination, but I don't think so.

    Also, don't get any ideas.



    Mark your iso is really lacking in content that isn't fluff.
    Can you give us some reads?

    2 guns 1 shot, 1 gift?
    I'd shoot Destiny. Then I'd look for Imarevenant and Timsup2nothin, when I don't find them I'd just shoot Destiny again. The gift would be to myself and that gift would be that Destiny was shot...twice.


    Outside of that, I don't really have anything. The chances of me being any sort of town leader on D1 is slim. I need data to start making sense of things. Gun to my head to put guns to other heads, based purely on feels, I'd shoot BATMAN and lukess1 and I'd begrudgingly give a gift to DestinyLives, but I'd make sure it wasn't a good one first. Maybe poop.
    Thanks mate I'll take your poopie gun as a compliment. I really hope you're town this game so we have to continue to begrudgingly work together.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#302)
    How do you feel about Mark @Destinylives
    I hope he's town and has his thinking hat on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#306)
    Also @Destinylives who would you shoot with this lovely gift that Mark would begrudgingly give you?
    Idk how deadly poop is but throw it at someone
    Despite my vote being on you I don't think I'd shoot you just yet. Let's see what everyone else thinks. My vote is comfortable there though.

    It's almost sleep time for me guys. I might make be around at phase end depending on what time I wake up.
    Also "I hope he's town" is another cop out. DO YOU THINK HES TOWN OR NAH.
    Cuse "hope" isn't a read.
    It means I don't have a read on him yet due to the few posts he's made but I'm pleased he'd give me a gun despite wanting to kill me. I hope he's town because he's a good player to have on your side.
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    Completed Is your vote on Mark much more concrete? Please...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#322)
    This is still not a "slip" and is still an awful reason to vote someone. But whatever its day 1 and if you can't find anything better to lynch someone for then whatever lol. I'm pretty sure you can build a much stronger case for someone to be a wolf than that. 🙄
    Is your vote on Mark much more concrete? Please let me know what evidence you have on him being scum and maybe I'll change my vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#323)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#321)
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#299)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#289)


    You are correct, but opening post says that it must be at least 1/3. So with 20 players the vote would have to end with like 7 votes on a person. Phase won't end early with a majority either it seems.

    Hey! Nice to see someone else who uses that. I've only done the math in regards to majority games as we've only recently converted to plurality, but I'll probably go back and look at the games we've played here and see what the math says.

    ##Unvote Destinylives

    I will not have my vengeance today.

    Tangent, after playing many moons with @Destinylives, I have begun reading his posts as Drax from Guardians.

    I don't know if I've ever been a D1 elimination, but I don't think so.

    Also, don't get any ideas.



    Mark your iso is really lacking in content that isn't fluff.
    Can you give us some reads?

    2 guns 1 shot, 1 gift?
    I'd shoot Destiny. Then I'd look for Imarevenant and Timsup2nothin, when I don't find them I'd just shoot Destiny again. The gift would be to myself and that gift would be that Destiny was shot...twice.


    Outside of that, I don't really have anything. The chances of me being any sort of town leader on D1 is slim. I need data to start making sense of things. Gun to my head to put guns to other heads, based purely on feels, I'd shoot BATMAN and lukess1 and I'd begrudgingly give a gift to DestinyLives, but I'd make sure it wasn't a good one first. Maybe poop.
    Thanks mate I'll take your poopie gun as a compliment. I really hope you're town this game so we have to continue to begrudgingly work together.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#302)
    How do you feel about Mark @Destinylives
    I hope he's town and has his thinking hat on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#306)
    Also @Destinylives who would you shoot with this lovely gift that Mark would begrudgingly give you?
    Idk how deadly poop is but throw it at someone
    Despite my vote being on you I don't think I'd shoot you just yet. Let's see what everyone else thinks. My vote is comfortable there though.

    It's almost sleep time for me guys. I might make be around at phase end depending on what time I wake up.
    Why do you need to "see what everyone else thinks" in order to choose who to shoot? Sounds like a cop out.
    If my vote alone would lynch someone I think I'd think much more carefully about placing my vote. I think everyone would feel the same. However we as a town are a team, and much like a jury we work together to decide who is dirty. My opinion isn't worth more than anybody elses.
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    Completed Thanks mate I'll take your poopie gun as a...

    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#299)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#289)
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#130)
    I didn't play the first one, so I'll be thematically in the dark like most of you.

    Glad this is plurality and not majority.

    Someone is currently tuning our piano, so it sounds like my life is being scored by Stanley Kubrick right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#131)
    Quote Originally Posted by MLT (#129)
    Esooa Just finished reading the thread, if that's all that post was, I'm sorry for immediately taking it the wrong way, I've had to deal with a few people making nasty comments because of the flag. Sorry I jumped to conclusions.


    Now to game stuff. Can someone refresh my memory, Plurality, is highest vote count at phase end is gone, no matter the percentage of votes?


    I'm also leery if that's the case to vote Destiny right away, as he's been one of the biggest town leaders when he's town.
    You are correct, but opening post says that it must be at least 1/3. So with 20 players the vote would have to end with like 7 votes on a person. Phase won't end early with a majority either it seems.
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#144)
    Quote Originally Posted by Takhitty (#143)
    Old rule of thumb from those days when we still used a dial-up to connect: 3rd on bandwaggon is mafia.

    So ##Vote Pugsgiving Feast

    for that and the post where you wanted no townies to use their power roles.
    Hey! Nice to see someone else who uses that. I've only done the math in regards to majority games as we've only recently converted to plurality, but I'll probably go back and look at the games we've played here and see what the math says.
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#207)
    ##Unvote Destinylives

    I will not have my vengeance today.

    Tangent, after playing many moons with @Destinylives, I have begun reading his posts as Drax from Guardians.
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#286)
    I don't know if I've ever been a D1 elimination, but I don't think so.

    Also, don't get any ideas.


    Mark your iso is really lacking in content that isn't fluff.
    Can you give us some reads?

    2 guns 1 shot, 1 gift?
    I'd shoot Destiny. Then I'd look for Imarevenant and Timsup2nothin, when I don't find them I'd just shoot Destiny again. The gift would be to myself and that gift would be that Destiny was shot...twice.


    Outside of that, I don't really have anything. The chances of me being any sort of town leader on D1 is slim. I need data to start making sense of things. Gun to my head to put guns to other heads, based purely on feels, I'd shoot BATMAN and lukess1 and I'd begrudgingly give a gift to DestinyLives, but I'd make sure it wasn't a good one first. Maybe poop.
    Thanks mate I'll take your poopie gun as a compliment. I really hope you're town this game so we have to continue to begrudgingly work together.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#302)
    How do you feel about Mark @Destinylives
    I hope he's town and has his thinking hat on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#306)
    Also @Destinylives who would you shoot with this lovely gift that Mark would begrudgingly give you?
    Idk how deadly poop is but throw it at someone
    Despite my vote being on you I don't think I'd shoot you just yet. Let's see what everyone else thinks. My vote is comfortable there though.

    It's almost sleep time for me guys. I might make be around at phase end depending on what time I wake up.
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    Completed You know what? If a could-be slip is the most we...

    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#261)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#152)
    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#126)
    I'll be on and off all morning tbh. CFS kicking my tail today. Placeholder on who I feel is most wolfish

    ##Vote ignoramus
    Having hydra'd with and played a lot of games with ignoramus. Id say her posts are way in her town range and out if her scum range so far tbh.
    Wolf

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#155)
    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#153)
    Catching up on the thread and I'm getting real bad vibes from Ace. Taking joke posts as serious makes me nervous when it comes to playing with new people. Won't place a vote yet, but they are #1 on my short lists rn.
    Do it! I encourage you to try, I never die during the day, but is fun.
    Also this comment is deja vu of all the games I have ever play upupupupu
    Town who wants attention

    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#200)
    ##Vote Pugsgiving Feast
    Batman doing Batman things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#247)
    Quote Originally Posted by BATMAN (#201)
    Scum scared
    What am I even supposed to be scared of?-?
    Slip.
    ##Vote Pugsgiving Feast
    You know what? If a could-be slip is the most we have to go on today then it's more than most day ones and as MLT rightly pointed out, the last time it happened with lukesss we caught scum.

    ##Vote Pugsgiving Feast

    Quote Originally Posted by Astil (#267)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#258)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#257)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#256)
    Maybe this is part of her getting defensive? I don't think I said any bad words.
    I'm not getting "defensive." I just don't understand why you have to make things up that aren't true.
    And "bad words" are a part of my every day language. Not "me being defensive"
    OK. No problem. Let's dissolve the tension then. I'll redo my answer assuming you're not who we think you are

    I've only ever played two games with Pugkin. In one of them she was quiet but it wasn't a normal game really. The other one is still going on so no comment on that.
    It is who you think it is


    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#260)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#259)
    @Phoenix13
    @Hydreigon25
    @ignoramus
    Are the ones who have played the most games with me.
    The amount of games I've played with batman is a bit smaller but I think might know my pretty well by now because we've interacted a lot during s couple.
    And Takhitty and Ace Marvel have only played like 1 game with me, but it was a small game and I interacted with them a lot during it. So they might have some reads on me as well.
    How long have you been playing mafia for? You only joined this site last month right?
    You seemed to ignore this question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#289)
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#130)
    I didn't play the first one, so I'll be thematically in the dark like most of you.

    Glad this is plurality and not majority.

    Someone is currently tuning our piano, so it sounds like my life is being scored by Stanley Kubrick right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#131)
    Quote Originally Posted by MLT (#129)
    Esooa Just finished reading the thread, if that's all that post was, I'm sorry for immediately taking it the wrong way, I've had to deal with a few people making nasty comments because of the flag. Sorry I jumped to conclusions.


    Now to game stuff. Can someone refresh my memory, Plurality, is highest vote count at phase end is gone, no matter the percentage of votes?


    I'm also leery if that's the case to vote Destiny right away, as he's been one of the biggest town leaders when he's town.
    You are correct, but opening post says that it must be at least 1/3. So with 20 players the vote would have to end with like 7 votes on a person. Phase won't end early with a majority either it seems.
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#144)
    Quote Originally Posted by Takhitty (#143)
    Old rule of thumb from those days when we still used a dial-up to connect: 3rd on bandwaggon is mafia.

    So ##Vote Pugsgiving Feast

    for that and the post where you wanted no townies to use their power roles.
    Hey! Nice to see someone else who uses that. I've only done the math in regards to majority games as we've only recently converted to plurality, but I'll probably go back and look at the games we've played here and see what the math says.
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#207)
    ##Unvote Destinylives

    I will not have my vengeance today.

    Tangent, after playing many moons with @Destinylives, I have begun reading his posts as Drax from Guardians.
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#286)
    I don't know if I've ever been a D1 elimination, but I don't think so.

    Also, don't get any ideas.


    Mark your iso is really lacking in content that isn't fluff.
    Can you give us some reads?

    2 guns 1 shot, 1 gift?
    That's an interesting question.
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    Completed How long have you been playing mafia for? You...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#259)
    @Phoenix13
    @Hydreigon25
    @ignoramus
    Are the ones who have played the most games with me.
    The amount of games I've played with batman is a bit smaller but I think might know my pretty well by now because we've interacted a lot during s couple.
    And Takhitty and Ace Marvel have only played like 1 game with me, but it was a small game and I interacted with them a lot during it. So they might have some reads on me as well.
    How long have you been playing mafia for? You only joined this site last month right?
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    Completed OK. No problem. Let's dissolve the tension then....

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#257)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#256)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugsgiving Feast (#255)
    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#254)
    I'm fairly certain we've played together many times. She can get quite defensive and either alignment depending on how well she's invested in the game. She can make ballsy decisions that sometimes pay off and sometimes result in failure, again as either alignment.
    I'm pretty sure this is some $%#! you pulled out of your $%#!
    Maybe this is part of her getting defensive? I don't think I said any bad words.
    I'm not getting "defensive." I just don't understand why you have to make things up that aren't true.
    And "bad words" are a part of my every day language. Not "me being defensive"
    OK. No problem. Let's dissolve the tension then. I'll redo my answer assuming you're not who we think you are

    I've only ever played two games with Pugkin. In one of them she was quiet but it wasn't a normal game really. The other one is still going on so no comment on that.
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