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Originally Posted by WaywardSon 1599232317 (#1736)

@TooSweetSpartan, if you are town, what is the hangup on making it easier for the rest of us to make a better informed decision? You are going to have to give something more than I am protecting my role. There are alot of PRs in this game, unless a kill was blocked and I haven't heard of anyone other than Rev being blocked, then there is one kill a night. So they can't kill all of us in one night. I can't think of a role that is that powerful that you need to risk dying to protect.

Well, there's two things that have really led to the situation I'm in now.

1. Pre-game I had made it a personal goal of mine to not reveal my role. I've seen with past mafia games that by pretty much day three we have all the role claims out on the surface and I don't think that's optimal town play. As a community, we've got better at a lot of pieces of the game but I think one of our biggest flaws is that we're very quick to "spill the beans" and reveal our roles the first time someone throws an FOS each of our way.

And that's a bad habit I do want us to break. Even if it means a few mislynches on me in the process until people come to accept that I'm not going to give up a role just because there's pressure on me.

2. I honestly entered the conversation feeling I had the trust of the rest of town on my side. I felt like Anaxagore had proven himself not to be trusted and that the rest of the town would see through the bold/clever play and recognize that it was just a distraction to protect him. And/or you. Because when I flip, one of you goes out on D3 and that means the other makes it all the way to D4 despite being outed and pegged as scum almost a week RL beforehand.

I'll say my final piece, I feel like when I'm lynched people are going to say "it was his fault for not revealing his role" or trash the way I played the game because of it. And I really hope that I don't get ridiculed too hard.

Because understand that I really am trying to improve our community and I hope someone gains from this that if they're confident in themselves and know that they're town they don't need to concede all their info just because scum has put pressure their way. It didn't work out that way for me this time but maybe it'll work out better for you next time. Don't give scum any victories, small or large.

Originally Posted by Darr 1599244355 (#1752)

##Unvote Anaxagore

I hopped this way to make it 50/50 because I wasn't sure. Now that it is definitely not 50/50, I'm fine with this direction, but as requested, holding vote for the return of @TooSweetSpartan (which should be soon?).

I'm back. It doesn't seem like there's much left to say, there's six votes on me and I don't believe those are all mafia so it means there are more waiting in the wings even if I could put up enough of a defense to convince the non-scum involved that Anaxagore shouldn't be trusted.

I'll respond to Wayward's question from before in a moment.

I'm heading out for a bit. But I'll answer your question (and any others that pop up) when I get back. Probably around 2-3pm (so like 2.5-3.5 hours from now).

Originally Posted by Anaxagore 1599225844 (#1726)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599225817 (#1725)

Ah, so this is the part where you two pretend you aren't on the same team and Anax "convinces" Outlaw to vote for me. Got it.

lol

Just for the record, despite my frustration with town falling for your trick I've genuinely had a fun time playing with you and really dig your play style. Looking forward to playing more with you in the future, hopefully at a time when we're both actually looking out for town's benefit.

Ah, so this is the part where you two pretend you aren't on the same team and Anax "convinces" Outlaw to vote for me. Got it.

But if you want me to full predict scum team right now, I can't.

Here's what I got:

1) Anax
2) Outlaw
3) Paws - for acknowledging Anax's lies but leaving when I asked her to resonate that with her decision to believe him. Timing could've been coincidental but it still stung.

and for any potential other members - I really just don't know. Like I said I'll try to look tomorrow. I know it's a copout answer but after the Zergon situation earlier I don't want to give a name without putting some more research in to be confident on throwing a name out there.

Oh, I'll answer this before I go.

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599187263 (#1661)

No problem. I’m fully prepared to say I was wrong and shift direction if you come up town because there is some validity to what you say and that approach to the game. But from someone in my position it’s just not enough to shift my vote.

So some questions for you in case you do get lynched:

Who do you look to as scum reads besides Anax?

Who are your top town reads?

And do you think Wayward is scum?

1. Part of me really wants to believe Anax is working in contribution with either Outlaw or Destiny. The other piece feels like that was just a separate frame job that got messed up with Anax got caught in his life. Gun to my head I say Anax and Outlaw. I don't have much of a read on who else is with them since I've calmed down on you. Tomorrow I'll look at people that stirred the pot or may have supported Anax, I think that'll point us in the right direction.

2. Jaded, Lukess, and Destiny.

3. Like question 1, I keep going back and forth on whether I think he was framed or not. So I'm not 100% but if the options are yes/no, I'd say yes.

With that last post, I'm drained. I'm taking off for the night. But like I said at noon (before all the craziness started), I actually took tomorrow off to extend the labor day weekend.

So I'll be available throughout the day to answer questions and contribute. I slacked off in the first twelve hours of this phase (ironically because I felt bad about my D1 Anaxagore read) and I've paid the price.

I won't slack off tomorrow, I'll try to build my case and use ISO's to make this less of a coin flip and more of a clear cut decision. Good night.

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599186381 (#1659)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599186047 (#1658)

I feel like I've been more than reasonable here. I'm willing to be an open book, I just don't want to give up my role for the reasons I've outlined (the more we out ourselves, the more it helps scum).

And the answer I get back is that I'm not being a team player because by not outing my role, I deserve to be lynched. I disagree, I'm doing this because I'm a team player and I'm doing this because it's in the town's best interest I don't reveal.

That's not some hint that I have some ultra powerful "kill the entire scum team" night action, it's a basic understanding that they're always going to have a small lead on us in knowledge (because they know their teammates) and the more we can do to obfuscate the game and make life difficult for them... the better our chances of victory.

If you just give away your role at the first sign of pressure, that's how the mafia teams applies pressure to eight different people a day phase and has everyone's role by end of day 3.

Anaxagore is not on team town, that was already evident before I even came into the thread today. If the scum team was smart enough to have tried this trick on someone else... they'd likely have another role right now to fit into their plans. But they chose me and for that they get nothing other than a headache and our first member of the mafia team eliminated.

I’ll leave it to the town to decide, but I don’t feel comfortable voting for someone who won’t tell me even who they visited in the face of an elimination. I think I’ve said my piece on this, and I’m not saying anything new at this point, just regurgitating the points that I am convinced by. As I’ve said before, we’re getting a scum tonight or tomorrow, and that’s a good thing.

Fair enough. I've respected that despite disagreeing with my lack of role reveal decision you've been willing to at least hear me out in some manner.

And the more we've went back and forth the less I'm actually thinking you are scum, I don't think you would've invested this much time and energy and put yourself into so much of the spotlight of this discussion if you were simply aiming for a mislynch today. So my apologies for the aggressive words earlier calling you out. Unless you actually are scum in which case, apology rescinded. But damn, you're good.

I feel like I've been more than reasonable here. I'm willing to be an open book, I just don't want to give up my role for the reasons I've outlined (the more we out ourselves, the more it helps scum).

And the answer I get back is that I'm not being a team player because by not outing my role, I deserve to be lynched. I disagree, I'm doing this because I'm a team player and I'm doing this because it's in the town's best interest I don't reveal.

That's not some hint that I have some ultra powerful "kill the entire scum team" night action, it's a basic understanding that they're always going to have a small lead on us in knowledge (because they know their teammates) and the more we can do to obfuscate the game and make life difficult for them... the better our chances of victory.

If you just give away your role at the first sign of pressure, that's how the mafia teams applies pressure to eight different people a day phase and has everyone's role by end of day 3.

Anaxagore is not on team town, that was already evident before I even came into the thread today. If the scum team was smart enough to have tried this trick on someone else... they'd likely have another role right now to fit into their plans. But they chose me and for that they get nothing other than a headache and our first member of the mafia team eliminated.

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599185298 (#1651)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599185255 (#1650)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599185228 (#1649)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599185128 (#1648)

No it wouldn’t. It would make their job much easier since it’s an outer role.

I’m on the side of killing scum tonight, I don’t see why that’s controversial

Then you’re on the wrong wagon.

I’d sure love to have it proven to me. But I guess that’s too much to ask of a fellow “towny”

What can I give you other than my role?

Do you want reads? Do you want analysis? Or do you just want to lynch me because this is the hill you've chosen to die on and it's too late to turn back and admit that maybe you backed the wrong horse?

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599184422 (#1643)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599184318 (#1641)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599184256 (#1640)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599184196 (#1639)

So be it. I don’t see the merit in keeping a role secret if it means the holder of that role is possibly mislynched, but ok.

It’s a high likelihood it’s scum fishing for claims so that’s that.

I’d rather have the scum know my role than to be dead and unable to use the role.

If it’s powerful like he says, he won’t be able to use it anyway.

I've said nothing about who I am or what I do. I've seen speculation but I'm not validating any of that.

If someone wants my role, there's two ways to figure it out. Either use an action that can determine it or kill me and everyone can see it when I'm dead. It ain't coming off my lips until I'm in the discord thread complaining about town choosing a scum already caught in a lie over a townie whose only crime was not revealing everything about themselves at the first sign of pressure.

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599183504 (#1633)

He didn’t even know how the two visits was possible beforehand, that would be a weird lie to make.

Wait, is that part of your logic too? I hadn't heard that argument yet.

Because Anaxagore would definitely know that. I thought he's played a ton of games here.

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599183734 (#1636)

Because TSS could give me a single sentence to hunt at his role. A single sentence to hint at who he visited. That’s not suspicious to you? That doesn’t back up the claim?

It is not in town's best interest to all just come out and reveal who we are. Not just me with my role but others too. The more we keep things ambiguous and unclear, the harder we make scum's job.

Because I don't the mafia to be able to take a night phase and say "should we kill the doctor, the detective, or the vig tonight". I want them to be so unsure of who is whom that they misuse their roles or waste an ability they have barking up the wrong tree. Whether it's a role cop, a role block, a tracker, whatever they got I want them misfiring on all cylinders.

And by not spelling out what I am and what I do, that's a mystery for them to have to spend their time and actions trying to solve while we keep hunting them down. You better believe now that if I survive this coin flip decision they're going to be wasting something on me out of nothing but curiosity at the very least and concern at the very most. And maybe that saves someone else.

If you're a townie I have no clue why you are so adamant on making scum's job easier?
And if you're scum I have no clue why you've been so brazen about trying to get me to out other than perhaps misplaced confidence that Anaxagore's stunt has given your team a lifeline from the victory that's coming our way.

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599183273 (#1630)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599182972 (#1628)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599182837 (#1627)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599182615 (#1626)

I mean that’s a great motto to use to protect your scum buddies, but I’ve said why I’m not changing my vote, and I’d gladly see this go to a coin toss.

It’s not a motto. It’s a mafia rule.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

One of them is getting lynched, and if they turn up town, the other one’s getting lynched.

So why not lynch the liar first?

Because P4rk is either scum or super deep in a tunnel just because I won't give him the role reveal he wants.

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599182187 (#1619)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599182118 (#1618)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599182080 (#1617)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599182003 (#1616)

One is a frame target in Wayward and the other is an admitted liar about a claim and result in Anax.

Which TSS refuses to refute.

Why would he? Rule number one in mafia is don't trust liars.

Guess we’ll see when the coin flips or one of them is lynched otherwise. Either way we get the result. But I’m not flipping until he gives me a reason to. And I’m sure I’m not alone on that

I've given plenty of reason, I just haven't given scum what they wanted... another role revealed.

Originally Posted by Darr 1599180268 (#1601)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599178986 (#1599)

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599177421 (#1594)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599177291 (#1592)

I don't see why he did anything he did.

Also true though lmao

Paws, if you're going to acknowledge that then realize the mistake you're making. There's no reason to trust Anaxagore at his word. You of all people are the first to say Lynch All Liars. He's a 2x liar already and it's only the second day phase. This is the sort of mistake that costs town games that we should win. Trusting someone at their word when they've been proven not trustworthy already.

If you look back to the original lie, he was trying to get Rev to out his role (and did so successfully). Then when he got called out for lying about not being able to track anyone he shifted completely and suddenly caught me with his tracking ability.

I'm not asking for you to suddenly crown me king of the townies with all the bells and whistles.

I'm just asking that in a debate about either lynching someone who has already proven themselves deceptive to town like him and someone who was really pushing the conversation forward and trying to hunt scum day one (I admit to have slacked off this day so far and that's probably why I'm in this mess) that you'd the person who hasn't already burned you multiple times this game.

This post sold me a little bit. Also, day 1, Anaxagore was briefly in the PoE, but got out by claiming. But that would be the first role that I've seen, or anyone has claimed, that isn't a 1 shot or JoAT. So I'm at least willing to make it a coin flip.

##Vote Darr

Through all the seriousness and the frustration involved in this situation involved with Anaxagore and after your methodical/analytical post... the accidental self vote is really damn funny.

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599177421 (#1594)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599177291 (#1592)

Originally Posted by Jaded 1599177143 (#1591)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599174330 (#1564)

It seems like he ran to scum chat to come up with a "plan".

I don’t see why you’d claim scum then go to scum chat.

I don't see why he did anything he did.

Also true though lmao

Paws, if you're going to acknowledge that then realize the mistake you're making. There's no reason to trust Anaxagore at his word. You of all people are the first to say Lynch All Liars. He's a 2x liar already and it's only the second day phase. This is the sort of mistake that costs town games that we should win. Trusting someone at their word when they've been proven not trustworthy already.

If you look back to the original lie, he was trying to get Rev to out his role (and did so successfully). Then when he got called out for lying about not being able to track anyone he shifted completely and suddenly caught me with his tracking ability.

I'm not asking for you to suddenly crown me king of the townies with all the bells and whistles.

I'm just asking that in a debate about either lynching someone who has already proven themselves deceptive to town like him and someone who was really pushing the conversation forward and trying to hunt scum day one (I admit to have slacked off this day so far and that's probably why I'm in this mess) that you'd the person who hasn't already burned you multiple times this game.

Originally Posted by Leionhart 1599175054 (#1585)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599174851 (#1580)

Originally Posted by Leionhart 1599174626 (#1574)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599174227 (#1557)

And he should go first as already having been proven a liar multiple times.

I would have agreed with you, if only you gave something more to share.

I really don't get the role fascination. If this was someone with credibility who made this claim, I'd come clean with what I was up to. I'd have to.

But that is not the case here. He got caught in a scum slip and wants a small win by throwing an attack my way. I'm not in the mindset to be giving scum any sort of victories no matter how hollow.

Jus wanted to consider your side of things. Tbh, either one of you could be pulling us along, that is why I feel there is a hesitation to just go LAL on Anax.

I can understand that. For the record, at the moment I don't believe you're scum. So I felt like you wanting the role claim came from a genuine desire for me to give you more to trust/believe me.

I understand where you're coming from and I could imagine being in your exact situation if our roles were reversed. So I can empathize with you on that at least.

Originally Posted by Leionhart 1599174626 (#1574)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599174227 (#1557)

Originally Posted by Leionhart 1599174171 (#1554)

Originally Posted by MLT 1599174021 (#1550)

My question is...When I used both the RB and kill, only the one target was seen...my roleblock on Jaded. Was the other not shown because I was roleblocked? Sorry not sure how that works from the mod point of view.


I will if you don't disrespect both me and my play just for me pressuring someone by a single normal worded question from me to that person.
You know...kinda like how you were pushing me because I don't agree with day 1 lynches? You're not the only person here with feelings, or who are sensitive. Try thinking about that when you question someones game play.

Now as for the WS issue. He seems to being ignored at the moment, we now have TSS.

Anex is honestly questionable. I'm shocked people are even believing him after what? 4 separate lies?

We have about a day left, so we need to figure out which path will be the best one for us. I'm not sure I'm thrilled about someone claiming they are town, but continues to lie and lie again.

If Anax is lying again, then he should go as well.

And he should go first as already having been proven a liar multiple times.

I would have agreed with you, if only you gave something more to share.

I really don't get the role fascination. If this was someone with credibility who made this claim, I'd come clean with what I was up to. I'd have to.

But that is not the case here. He got caught in a scum slip and wants a small win by throwing an attack my way. I'm not in the mindset to be giving scum any sort of victories no matter how hollow.

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599174540 (#1573)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599174494 (#1571)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599174441 (#1568)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599174405 (#1566)

If we lynch TSS, then possibly Anax based on the results, we’re guaranteed to lynch a non-town.

Lynch the liar before you lynch the reluctant person.

I’d do it in a heartbeat if TSS tells me who he visited last night

Why? He's getting blocked anyway so he can't do harm tonight.

This is why I think P4rk is aligned with Anaxagore. He's so adamant that I need to go first over the person caught lying multiple times. If it's a coin flip, go with the person that's already deceived you more than once over the innocent who hadn't done much of anything this day phase so far.

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599174405 (#1566)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599174349 (#1565)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599174311 (#1563)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599174210 (#1556)

He also had given a fake result and fake claim.

And as a result, if his current claims are false, he will be killed for them. Again, TSS has given the town nothing, Anax has given the town something. It’s not that complicated. The path is simple

LAL

If we lynch TSS, then possibly Anax based on the results, we’re guaranteed to lynch a non-town.

Yes. And if you lynch Anax first you're also guaranteed to lynch a non-town already. And not have lynched a townie as well just because the wolf said to.

Originally Posted by MLT 1599174283 (#1561)

How many lies are too many?

When we had one situation of baddie being outted why play around and confuse things? It makes no sense to me at all that someone will play with the town like this.

I get "ploy" vibes from it honestly.

1 lie. 1 lie is too many.

Come on MLT, Anaxagore made a bad claim. He got proven wrong and then tried to use his last-ditch effort to get a lynch (or at the very least a role reveal).

And yes, I know I'm making this harder on myself by not revealing but if I don't reveal then that last-ditch effort by scum team was in vain. I'd rather fight to help town get the best result than just give in and reveal to give scum even the smallest of victories.

Originally Posted by Leionhart 1599174171 (#1554)

Originally Posted by MLT 1599174021 (#1550)

Originally Posted by Darr 1599168601 (#1419)

Can confirm as Host from last game that a scum member can do their normal night action plus the factional kill. ##Vote TooSweetSpartan

My question is...When I used both the RB and kill, only the one target was seen...my roleblock on Jaded. Was the other not shown because I was roleblocked? Sorry not sure how that works from the mod point of view.

Originally Posted by Internet Cupid 1599169885 (#1455)

I will if you don't disrespect both me and my play just for me pressuring someone by a single normal worded question from me to that person.

You know...kinda like how you were pushing me because I don't agree with day 1 lynches? You're not the only person here with feelings, or who are sensitive. Try thinking about that when you question someones game play.

Now as for the WS issue. He seems to being ignored at the moment, we now have TSS.

Anex is honestly questionable. I'm shocked people are even believing him after what? 4 separate lies?

We have about a day left, so we need to figure out which path will be the best one for us. I'm not sure I'm thrilled about someone claiming they are town, but continues to lie and lie again.

If Anax is lying again, then he should go as well.

And he should go first as already having been proven a liar multiple times.

Originally Posted by Anaxagore 1599173846 (#1545)

Maybe it's because you did't read the pages and a team mate told you quicly what happenned?

I mean, I'm admitted to skimming the pages, I don't know what you want. Like I said I was most concerned with the votes on me and trying to figure out who is actually falling for your play and who is just scum piling on.

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599173326 (#1535)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599172161 (#1506)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599171577 (#1500)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599171532 (#1499)

Just promise me that the opposite holds true too and when I flip town you don't let him skate by another day phase.

I think it’s pretty clear that if you flip town, he’s dead. If you flip scum, which you’ve given no reason still for us to not believe, he’s in the clear.

...P4rk, why are you so adamant about my role getting revealed?

Oh I don’t know, it may have something to do with the fact that you visited me and a dead town member last night and haven’t given a proper alternate course of action for yourself

I don't feel like it's that. What name do I throw out there that suddenly turns your feeling around on me? I'm not a fool, I can see an authentic appeal to see where I'm at (like Lukess) and an inauthentic one that really just wants the reveal to make this worth it when Anaxagore ends up lynched this day phase. Because truthfully, maybe I'm being defensive, but that's what I'm feeling from you right now.

Originally Posted by Leionhart 1599173597 (#1539)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599173286 (#1534)

Originally Posted by Leionhart 1599173052 (#1531)

Finally Caught up, a lot has happened in the time I was gone.

Originally Posted by Imarevenant 1599162287 (#1334)

Unfortunately, how you feel has to featherbed in what is realistically possible and it is completely possible for the framing to work that way.

I still lean toward a Wayward or Lukess elimination but I won't turn a blind eye to the possibility of a framer

Again I'll ask everyone. How do you feel about Waywards defense of himself. Personally I think it's felt off, very different than when EP went for him. Maybe I'm misremembering but I'd like to see others thoughts on this.

I felt he was too dismissive of the result. Something felt off about that interaction for me. As for the framer defense, I get it. But at this point, without any proof it would be foolish to let someone go free that has a scum result.

Originally Posted by Anaxagore 1599166264 (#1377)

I lied about being blocked.

Why? I wanted to see how a few people acted before throwing this info.

Unfortunately, zergon claimed he watched someone visit me so i said i lied right away to avoid the person who (i guess) healed me.

SOOOO my tracking result actually went through.

I chose to visit TooSweetSpartan
cause i didn’t like the way he tried to paint me as a scum who knows the other vest must belong to the SK.
+ the way he backed off when Pawprints voted me, as if he knew i was gona flip town

TooSweetSpartan visited Tyche, p4rk

so either:

A) Tyche bodyguarded p4rk… and died protecting him…
But why would Tyche try to save p4rk? I don’t see a big reason here.
Not even sure i could receive 2 names as a result if that happened.

B) or Both Tyche and p4rk got shot, but p4rk survived.. cause he has a vest?



This many protect roles on a single town member doesn’t feel like a high firepower game to you?

I mean sure, but I just assumed with the potential to protect that much, there must be something more to protect from

So here’s a question based from my newness to the whole mafia scene: Do the protects that Tyche had protect during the day? When the SK’s kill from suicide bomb or whatever would have been activated? Or only protect from night kills?

If it’s the latter, then I expect a more high powered game than the former

Actually, Nevermind, I was confusing the SK kill with the suicide bomber we had. Still thinking there’s more firepower though.


I assume from p4rk early posts this morning that he got protected by a vest or something, given how much he insisted on the mafia firing power.
He got shot and survived. That’s why. Do you confirm @p4rk?


##Vote TooSweetSpartan

Now this is interesting.

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599169266 (#1441)

Hello.
You've been very quiet today. Where ya at? @Leionhart

I had a busy day yesterday, and immediately went to sleep when I got home at night.

Originally Posted by Anaxagore 1599171161 (#1490)

Oh and i was never gona get lynched,
i'm a weird player sure... but not stupid enough to put myself in the position i was without a plan...
Especially after WWS got caught too. That would be a super super bad move from a scum.


Good night, you can hammer him now if you want.
Jailers should jail/block WWS
Healers should focus on the Role cops (or me )

The rest of the crowd i will be suspecting are:

-Eternal Phoenix
-Rev
-Leionhart
-lukess

and maybe Internet Cupid who could be bussing

If you are telling the truth, this sounds like a reasonable course of action. Even thoigh I am one of your lists.

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599172286 (#1509)

1) Anaxagore
2) Outlaw
3) P4rk
4) I don't have a good 4th. Let's go Zergon.

Your unwillingness to cooperate doesn't really help your chances at all.

Also, why Zergon? You don't trust his watcher claim?

I actually missed the watcher claim. I was just picking someone that felt under the radar.

Since people are actually taking my Zergon piece more seriously when I was just meaning someone who hasn't caught people's eye, let me go back and see if there's actually any validity to that. I'd actually feel bad if I ended up screwing his game up and costing us another townie by throwing his name out here.

You missing this stuff feels off to me. That only rauses my suspicions of you even more.

I mean, I literally popped on after work today and saw 5 votes to my name. I had bigger questions at the moment than what Zergon was up to.

Giving a quick glimpse through an ISO..

No, I like Zergon and don't think he's scum. He's not the 4th. He was accurately calling stuff out last day phase about Anax getting a free pass with Destiny wasn't. And he was calling out the give up by Anax before that was suddenly turned around into this last minute "no it was actually all a trap that required me to lie about my role multiple times" play.

Originally Posted by Leionhart 1599173052 (#1531)

Finally Caught up, a lot has happened in the time I was gone.

Originally Posted by Imarevenant 1599162287 (#1334)

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599161640 (#1325)

Originally Posted by WaywardSon 1599161256 (#1320)

framer affects all level of role cop.

I really feel like it doesn't

Unfortunately, how you feel has to featherbed in what is realistically possible and it is completely possible for the framing to work that way.

I still lean toward a Wayward or Lukess elimination but I won't turn a blind eye to the possibility of a framer

Again I'll ask everyone. How do you feel about Waywards defense of himself. Personally I think it's felt off, very different than when EP went for him. Maybe I'm misremembering but I'd like to see others thoughts on this.

I felt he was too dismissive of the result. Something felt off about that interaction for me. As for the framer defense, I get it. But at this point, without any proof it would be foolish to let someone go free that has a scum result.

Originally Posted by Anaxagore 1599166264 (#1377)

I lied about being blocked.

Why? I wanted to see how a few people acted before throwing this info.

Unfortunately, zergon claimed he watched someone visit me so i said i lied right away to avoid the person who (i guess) healed me.

SOOOO my tracking result actually went through.

I chose to visit TooSweetSpartan
cause i didn’t like the way he tried to paint me as a scum who knows the other vest must belong to the SK.
+ the way he backed off when Pawprints voted me, as if he knew i was gona flip town

TooSweetSpartan visited Tyche, p4rk

so either:

A) Tyche bodyguarded p4rk… and died protecting him…
But why would Tyche try to save p4rk? I don’t see a big reason here.
Not even sure i could receive 2 names as a result if that happened.

B) or Both Tyche and p4rk got shot, but p4rk survived.. cause he has a vest?

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599095349 (#962)

I want to get a feel for how many kills we can expect to see per night. Is 1 kill going to be the usual in this game? Or did anyone throw out some convenient protects?

Seeing Tyche’s protection potential makes me think we’re dealing with some heavy firepower from scum team

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599095815 (#967)

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599095555 (#964)

I think its gonna be 1 kill per night since the sk is gone.
Maybe an occasional vig kill if anyone has one of those left.

This many protect roles on a single town member doesn’t feel like a high firepower game to you?

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599096179 (#971)

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599095988 (#968)

No?
They can only use 1 a night. And after they use it. Its gone. They can protect 5 nights. Are protectors not typically able to protect one person each night?

I'm not use to how games are run over here but I'm pretty sure being able to use your ability once every night was a pretty standard thing?

I'm confused now

I mean sure, but I just assumed with the potential to protect that much, there must be something more to protect from

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599096460 (#975)

So here’s a question based from my newness to the whole mafia scene: Do the protects that Tyche had protect during the day? When the SK’s kill from suicide bomb or whatever would have been activated? Or only protect from night kills?

If it’s the latter, then I expect a more high powered game than the former

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599097053 (#982)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599096460 (#975)

So here’s a question based from my newness to the whole mafia scene: Do the protects that Tyche had protect during the day? When the SK’s kill from suicide bomb or whatever would have been activated? Or only protect from night kills?

If it’s the latter, then I expect a more high powered game than the former

Actually, Nevermind, I was confusing the SK kill with the suicide bomber we had. Still thinking there’s more firepower though.

I assume from p4rk early posts this morning that he got protected by a vest or something, given how much he insisted on the mafia firing power.
He got shot and survived. That’s why. Do you confirm @p4rk?


##Vote TooSweetSpartan

Now this is interesting.

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599169266 (#1441)

Originally Posted by Leionhart 1599100227 (#1014)

Originally Posted by WaywardSon 1599100059 (#1012)

I am not sure what you think you have but I can assure you I have no idea what the wolves are up to. I voted you because regardless of your insistence on you being town I have not sorted you as town atp. And I had a few of my PoE seemingly move themselves up out of elimination range.

Aside from Destiny, who were the others that you would have considered to vote on?

Hello.
You've been very quiet today. Where ya at? @Leionhart

I had a busy day yesterday, and immediately went to sleep when I got home at night.

Originally Posted by Anaxagore 1599171161 (#1490)

Oh and i was never gona get lynched,
i'm a weird player sure... but not stupid enough to put myself in the position i was without a plan...
Especially after WWS got caught too. That would be a super super bad move from a scum.


Good night, you can hammer him now if you want.
Jailers should jail/block WWS
Healers should focus on the Role cops (or me )

The rest of the crowd i will be suspecting are:

-Eternal Phoenix
-Rev
-Leionhart
-lukess

and maybe Internet Cupid who could be bussing

If you are telling the truth, this sounds like a reasonable course of action. Even thoigh I am one of your lists.

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599172286 (#1509)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599172207 (#1507)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599172059 (#1505)

I mean, I feel like I've spelled out my case.

It's not like Anaxagore was town-core or even neutral lean when he made his announcement, the votes were piling on. He made a big action claim to pretty much set me up to die and buy himself another day.

Whether I reveal what I did last night or not, it's not going to resolve this. So either you all will listen to me and lynch Anaxagore.

Or you'll listen to him, lynch me, and then lynch him next day phase after I flip town.

What bugs me is that it was a really solid play that I have no real argument against other than pointing out the mistakes he made that he claimed was used "to set up his trap". Mistakes that really weren't necessary if he had genuinely been sitting on this info all day phase.

If he were really town and I were really scum: There's a million different ways to have sussed me out and do so in a way where I would've probably revealed who my buddies are with town reads.

He didn't do that, he had his own back against the wall and so he made a last second play that was... unfortunately very clever. Like I said, it got him an extra day phase and depending on who he's aligned with, it bought them a few extra ones. And if I had been here more this day phase, I don't think he would've targeted me with it. But now I'm stuck defending myself all phase.

You have a gun and have to kill the four most likeliest scum. Who are they?

1) Anaxagore
2) Outlaw
3) P4rk
4) I don't have a good 4th. Let's go Zergon.

Your unwillingness to cooperate doesn't really help your chances at all.

Also, why Zergon? You don't trust his watcher claim?

I actually missed the watcher claim. I was just picking someone that felt under the radar.

Since people are actually taking my Zergon piece more seriously when I was just meaning someone who hasn't caught people's eye, let me go back and see if there's actually any validity to that. I'd actually feel bad if I ended up screwing his game up and costing us another townie by throwing his name out here.

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599172687 (#1520)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599172473 (#1513)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599172329 (#1510)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599172286 (#1509)

1) Anaxagore
2) Outlaw
3) P4rk
4) I don't have a good 4th. Let's go Zergon.

Why Zerg?
Who are 3 people you'd protect other than yourself?

I didn't really have a good 4th but I figured it'd be someone not very tied into any of the larger drama moments so far.

I'd protect Jaded first and foremost. Then you. And then for the 3rd... I'd go Destiny. He could be tied up in all of this but I struggle to believe that.

Why would you shoot Zergon first of all and why would you protect Lukess second of all lol?

I mentioned in a post before that I think the 4th isn't tied into any of the drama so far and I haven't seen him tied into anything. It's... really not a strong feeling let me make that clear for legacy reads.

And if Lukess is really going to spend all this time hearing me out as scum then that's a dirty play to get my hopes up that someone's actually listening to me that wouldn't have been needed after Anaxagore's move.

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599172577 (#1516)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599172473 (#1513)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599172329 (#1510)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599172286 (#1509)

1) Anaxagore
2) Outlaw
3) P4rk
4) I don't have a good 4th. Let's go Zergon.

Why Zerg?
Who are 3 people you'd protect other than yourself?

I didn't really have a good 4th but I figured it'd be someone not very tied into any of the larger drama moments so far.

I'd protect Jaded first and foremost. Then you. And then for the 3rd... I'd go Destiny. He could be tied up in all of this but I struggle to believe that.

I'm also saying this to you right now. I will vote you in a second if he ends up town.

You won't need to, I'm freakin' town-core if you all will actually listen to me and see Anaxagore flip red.

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599172554 (#1515)

Reads List

Town
@Anaxagore
@Destinylives
@Jaded
@zergon

Neutral-ish
@Darr
@EternalPhoenix
@Imarevenant
@InternetCupid
@Leionhart
@MLT
@p4rk

Scum
@lukess1
@TooSweetSpartan
@WaywardSon


Hasn't Claimed:
Darr
EternalPhoenix
InternetCupid
Leionhart
MLT
TooSweetSpartan

Claimed Vanilla:
Imarevenant
Lukess1
Pawprints

Jaded - Essentially Vanilla after using 1x vig

Why do you have Zergon as town? Did I miss something?

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599172421 (#1512)

##Vote Anaxagore
If this is wrong, I'm going to look so bad but screw it.

Oh, I'm dumb. I've been so busy defending myself I haven't actually placed my vote.

##Vote Anaxagore

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599172329 (#1510)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599172286 (#1509)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599172207 (#1507)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599172059 (#1505)

I mean, I feel like I've spelled out my case.

It's not like Anaxagore was town-core or even neutral lean when he made his announcement, the votes were piling on. He made a big action claim to pretty much set me up to die and buy himself another day.

Whether I reveal what I did last night or not, it's not going to resolve this. So either you all will listen to me and lynch Anaxagore.

Or you'll listen to him, lynch me, and then lynch him next day phase after I flip town.

What bugs me is that it was a really solid play that I have no real argument against other than pointing out the mistakes he made that he claimed was used "to set up his trap". Mistakes that really weren't necessary if he had genuinely been sitting on this info all day phase.

If he were really town and I were really scum: There's a million different ways to have sussed me out and do so in a way where I would've probably revealed who my buddies are with town reads.

He didn't do that, he had his own back against the wall and so he made a last second play that was... unfortunately very clever. Like I said, it got him an extra day phase and depending on who he's aligned with, it bought them a few extra ones. And if I had been here more this day phase, I don't think he would've targeted me with it. But now I'm stuck defending myself all phase.

You have a gun and have to kill the four most likeliest scum. Who are they?

1) Anaxagore
2) Outlaw
3) P4rk
4) I don't have a good 4th. Let's go Zergon.

Why Zerg?
Who are 3 people you'd protect other than yourself?

I didn't really have a good 4th but I figured it'd be someone not very tied into any of the larger drama moments so far.

I'd protect Jaded first and foremost. Then you. And then for the 3rd... I'd go Destiny. He could be tied up in all of this but I struggle to believe that.

Originally Posted by Anaxagore 1599172239 (#1508)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599172161 (#1506)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599171577 (#1500)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599171532 (#1499)

Just promise me that the opposite holds true too and when I flip town you don't let him skate by another day phase.

I think it’s pretty clear that if you flip town, he’s dead. If you flip scum, which you’ve given no reason still for us to not believe, he’s in the clear.

...P4rk, why are you so adamant about my role getting revealed?

because 2/3 of the players already claimed and you were caught visiting last night's victim...

I wasn't and I didn't. A scum who was just on death row said I did and now you're taking it like the gospel for some reason.

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599172207 (#1507)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599172059 (#1505)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599171253 (#1492)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599171183 (#1491)

I'm not saying a thing. You can list every name you want, I'm not tipping my hand here.

What on earth do you expect to say to clear your name when you won’t give a single hint on what you were doing last night

I mean, I feel like I've spelled out my case.

It's not like Anaxagore was town-core or even neutral lean when he made his announcement, the votes were piling on. He made a big action claim to pretty much set me up to die and buy himself another day.

Whether I reveal what I did last night or not, it's not going to resolve this. So either you all will listen to me and lynch Anaxagore.

Or you'll listen to him, lynch me, and then lynch him next day phase after I flip town.

What bugs me is that it was a really solid play that I have no real argument against other than pointing out the mistakes he made that he claimed was used "to set up his trap". Mistakes that really weren't necessary if he had genuinely been sitting on this info all day phase.

If he were really town and I were really scum: There's a million different ways to have sussed me out and do so in a way where I would've probably revealed who my buddies are with town reads.

He didn't do that, he had his own back against the wall and so he made a last second play that was... unfortunately very clever. Like I said, it got him an extra day phase and depending on who he's aligned with, it bought them a few extra ones. And if I had been here more this day phase, I don't think he would've targeted me with it. But now I'm stuck defending myself all phase.

You have a gun and have to kill the four most likeliest scum. Who are they?

1) Anaxagore
2) Outlaw
3) P4rk
4) I don't have a good 4th. Let's go Zergon.

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599171577 (#1500)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599171532 (#1499)

Originally Posted by EternalPhoenix 1599171327 (#1495)

Originally Posted by Anaxagore 1599171161 (#1490)

Oh and i was never gona get lynched,
i'm a weird player sure... but not stupid enough to put myself in the position i was without a plan...
Especially after WWS got caught too. That would be a super super bad move from a scum.


Good night, you can hammer him now if you want.
Jailers should jail/block WWS
Healers should focus on the Role cops (or me )

The rest of the crowd i will be suspecting are:

-Eternal Phoenix
-Rev
-Leionhart
-lukess

and maybe Internet Cupid who could be bussing

Brother, if you're right about Spartan you'll slide right into my good books. Right now I just don't know.

Just promise me that the opposite holds true too and when I flip town you don't let him skate by another day phase.

I think it’s pretty clear that if you flip town, he’s dead. If you flip scum, which you’ve given no reason still for us to not believe, he’s in the clear.

...P4rk, why are you so adamant about my role getting revealed?

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599171253 (#1492)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599171183 (#1491)

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599171102 (#1488)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599171031 (#1487)

If I give who I visited, it'd reveal my type of role. If I'm revealing my type of role, I'm pretty much roleclaiming and might as well go all the way with it. I'm not giving in on this P4rk, I'm sorry.

So youre saying you targetted Hellshock or Catgoade?

I'm not saying a thing. You can list every name you want, I'm not tipping my hand here.

What on earth do you expect to say to clear your name when you won’t give a single hint on what you were doing last night

I mean, I feel like I've spelled out my case.

It's not like Anaxagore was town-core or even neutral lean when he made his announcement, the votes were piling on. He made a big action claim to pretty much set me up to die and buy himself another day.

Whether I reveal what I did last night or not, it's not going to resolve this. So either you all will listen to me and lynch Anaxagore.

Or you'll listen to him, lynch me, and then lynch him next day phase after I flip town.

What bugs me is that it was a really solid play that I have no real argument against other than pointing out the mistakes he made that he claimed was used "to set up his trap". Mistakes that really weren't necessary if he had genuinely been sitting on this info all day phase.

If he were really town and I were really scum: There's a million different ways to have sussed me out and do so in a way where I would've probably revealed who my buddies are with town reads.

He didn't do that, he had his own back against the wall and so he made a last second play that was... unfortunately very clever. Like I said, it got him an extra day phase and depending on who he's aligned with, it bought them a few extra ones. And if I had been here more this day phase, I don't think he would've targeted me with it. But now I'm stuck defending myself all phase.

Originally Posted by EternalPhoenix 1599171327 (#1495)

Originally Posted by Anaxagore 1599171161 (#1490)

Oh and i was never gona get lynched,
i'm a weird player sure... but not stupid enough to put myself in the position i was without a plan...
Especially after WWS got caught too. That would be a super super bad move from a scum.


Good night, you can hammer him now if you want.
Jailers should jail/block WWS
Healers should focus on the Role cops (or me )

The rest of the crowd i will be suspecting are:

-Eternal Phoenix
-Rev
-Leionhart
-lukess

and maybe Internet Cupid who could be bussing

Brother, if you're right about Spartan you'll slide right into my good books. Right now I just don't know.

Just promise me that the opposite holds true too and when I flip town you don't let him skate by another day phase.

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599171301 (#1494)

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599171280 (#1493)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599171253 (#1492)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599171183 (#1491)

I'm not saying a thing. You can list every name you want, I'm not tipping my hand here.

What on earth do you expect to say to clear your name when you won’t give a single hint on what you were doing last night

From what he's said, I've gathered that he probably targetted the dead?

Or thats what he's trying to claim I guess. Not saying I believe it lol

That's not what I said and not what I'm claiming.

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599171102 (#1488)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599171031 (#1487)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599170854 (#1482)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599170770 (#1479)

They really aren't. I've said my piece and as I posted about at noon... I'll be here all of tonight and the rest of the phase tomorrow. I'll answer questions, I'll give reads, I'll make my case but I'm not giving the role and letting scum get an extra piece of info for no reason. If they want my role, they better hope they have the night action to get it.

I legitimately don’t think there’s any way for you to answer your way out of this, and your unwillingness to even say who you visited isn’t helping in the slightest.

If I give who I visited, it'd reveal my type of role. If I'm revealing my type of role, I'm pretty much roleclaiming and might as well go all the way with it. I'm not giving in on this P4rk, I'm sorry.

So youre saying you targetted Hellshock or Catgoade?

I'm not saying a thing. You can list every name you want, I'm not tipping my hand here.

Originally Posted by Internet Cupid 1599170950 (#1485)

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599170632 (#1477)

You act like been doing this every phase, or multiple games.
Its literally 2 posts.

It wasnt anything personal. Its all game talk. Sorry you got offended but that wasn't my intention.

Apologies accepted.

Now you have met my weakness. I am extremely sensitive. Sorry if I overreacted what I often do as my feelings go there easily and quickly.

Oh, I missed this whole interaction between the two of you. Apologies for jumping in, especially since it seems non-game related.

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599170854 (#1482)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599170770 (#1479)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599170565 (#1475)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599170525 (#1474)

My death. But his action is a scramble with no basis in reality. I want to keep both my life and my role a secret.

That’s not really an option right now for you. Your options are get lynched, or clear your name and help town.

They really aren't. I've said my piece and as I posted about at noon... I'll be here all of tonight and the rest of the phase tomorrow. I'll answer questions, I'll give reads, I'll make my case but I'm not giving the role and letting scum get an extra piece of info for no reason. If they want my role, they better hope they have the night action to get it.

I legitimately don’t think there’s any way for you to answer your way out of this, and your unwillingness to even say who you visited isn’t helping in the slightest.

If I give who I visited, it'd reveal my type of role. If I'm revealing my type of role, I'm pretty much roleclaiming and might as well go all the way with it. I'm not giving in on this P4rk, I'm sorry.

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599170632 (#1477)

You act like been doing this every phase, or multiple games.
Its literally 2 posts.

It wasnt anything personal. Its all game talk. Sorry you got offended but that wasn't my intention.

Is this directed to me?

Listen, I get it, it's a game and I understand why people are sending the votes my way. I'm not offended or upset by it even though I know it's wrong. I'm not mad at town (or even scum truthfully), I just don't want a mislynch today and scum to have bought themselves potential multiple extra days.

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599170565 (#1475)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599170525 (#1474)

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599170248 (#1467)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599170081 (#1462)

I agree with this.
Its gonna take something substantial for me to remove my vote

I'm not weakening town and hurting my own game. With the SK gone, scum should be in a bad spot but if we just give away all of our roles we make it 10x easier for them come back.

I did find this interesting tidbit while ISO'ing though:

I'm scum

Maybe it's just me... but I get a scummy vibe from this quote.

whats going to weaken town more? Your death or your claim?

My death. But his action is a scramble with no basis in reality. I want to keep both my life and my role a secret.

That’s not really an option right now for you. Your options are get lynched, or clear your name and help town.

They really aren't. I've said my piece and as I posted about at noon... I'll be here all of tonight and the rest of the phase tomorrow. I'll answer questions, I'll give reads, I'll make my case but I'm not giving the role and letting scum get an extra piece of info for no reason. If they want my role, they better hope they have the night action to get it.

Originally Posted by Anaxagore 1599170371 (#1471)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599170081 (#1462)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599169762 (#1453)

You’re going to have to let us know a lot more detail on what you got up to

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599169890 (#1456)

I agree with this.
Its gonna take something substantial for me to remove my vote

I'm not weakening town and hurting my own game. With the SK gone, scum should be in a bad spot but if we just give away all of our roles we make it 10x easier for them come back.

I did find this interesting tidbit while ISO'ing though:

Originally Posted by Anaxagore 1599158415 (#1263)

Originally Posted by Jaded 1599158380 (#1260)

Generally in favour of this. @Anaxagore, would really like a decent explanation ASAP.

I'm scum

Maybe it's just me... but I get a scummy vibe from this quote.

By claiming you didn't vist them, you just proved me you are 100% scum.

Good luck trying to save yourself mate

Thanks. Kudos on your play, you went from pretty much the definite lynch to buying yourself an extra day and night.

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599170248 (#1467)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599170081 (#1462)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599169762 (#1453)

You’re going to have to let us know a lot more detail on what you got up to

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599169890 (#1456)

I agree with this.
Its gonna take something substantial for me to remove my vote

I'm not weakening town and hurting my own game. With the SK gone, scum should be in a bad spot but if we just give away all of our roles we make it 10x easier for them come back.

I did find this interesting tidbit while ISO'ing though:

Originally Posted by Anaxagore 1599158415 (#1263)

Originally Posted by Jaded 1599158380 (#1260)

Generally in favour of this. @Anaxagore, would really like a decent explanation ASAP.

I'm scum

Maybe it's just me... but I get a scummy vibe from this quote.

whats going to weaken town more? Your death or your claim?

My death. But his action is a scramble with no basis in reality. I want to keep both my life and my role a secret.

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599170159 (#1464)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599170081 (#1462)

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599169762 (#1453)

You’re going to have to let us know a lot more detail on what you got up to

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599169890 (#1456)

I agree with this.
Its gonna take something substantial for me to remove my vote

I'm not weakening town and hurting my own game. With the SK gone, scum should be in a bad spot but if we just give away all of our roles we make it 10x easier for them come back.

I did find this interesting tidbit while ISO'ing though:

Originally Posted by Anaxagore 1599158415 (#1263)

Originally Posted by Jaded 1599158380 (#1260)

Generally in favour of this. @Anaxagore, would really like a decent explanation ASAP.

I'm scum

Maybe it's just me... but I get a scummy vibe from this quote.

The whole approach bothered me. The excuse about waiting for you after lying 2 or 3 times rubbed me wrong but I'm leaning towards you rn tbh.

I think he screwed up and rushed an admit when he got caught in his lie. And since his game is busted anyway, he's using it take me out too. Then I die, flip town, and he bought himself another day before getting lynched. And he bought either Outlaw 2 extra days (if he's scum) or Destiny 3 extra (if Outlaw was town and Destiny was actually scum).

That last scenario is unlikely but the rest, I buy that. And I buy that it was a GDS member that told him to target me with this "reveal" too.

Originally Posted by EternalPhoenix 1599170054 (#1460)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599169902 (#1457)

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599169727 (#1452)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599169667 (#1449)

So I'm seeing my name now is on the voting block, thanks guys. I've had the chance to catch up and re-read the thread.

I feel like the entire focus of today from scum has been chaos. I don't know exactly what the battle lines are but I know that I'm not going to let myself be role-baited as well because of it, we've had far too much roles revealed already given that it is only Day Phase Two.

I don't know if this is to prevent Outlaw's lynch, or to muddy up the waters with Destiny, or honestly if Destiny is even involved with it (if it was just a frame job). But I can say for a fact that what Anaxagore posted is not anywhere close to what I was up to last night.

I had one target and it wasn't either P4rk or Tyche. If I revealed the target it would give a strong hint as to my role.

Would the person know you targeted them?

Potentially. That's a vague answer I know but I really don't want to role claim.

On brand, but there's three hours and change to go in a plurality vote. You're on the block.

Oh no there isn't. If this was a planned last second rush, they mistimed it by a day.

Originally Posted by p4rk 1599169762 (#1453)

You’re going to have to let us know a lot more detail on what you got up to

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599169890 (#1456)

I agree with this.
Its gonna take something substantial for me to remove my vote

I'm not weakening town and hurting my own game. With the SK gone, scum should be in a bad spot but if we just give away all of our roles we make it 10x easier for them come back.

I did find this interesting tidbit while ISO'ing though:

Originally Posted by Anaxagore 1599158415 (#1263)

Originally Posted by Jaded 1599158380 (#1260)

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599157990 (#1250)

Originally Posted by Pawprints 1599157864 (#1247)

you re right i just lied

more to come later..

Um?

Lynch All Liars?

Generally in favour of this. @Anaxagore, would really like a decent explanation ASAP.

I'm scum

Maybe it's just me... but I get a scummy vibe from this quote.

Originally Posted by lukess1 1599169727 (#1452)

Originally Posted by TooSweetSpartan 1599169667 (#1449)

So I'm seeing my name now is on the voting block, thanks guys. I've had the chance to catch up and re-read the thread.

I feel like the entire focus of today from scum has been chaos. I don't know exactly what the battle lines are but I know that I'm not going to let myself be role-baited as well because of it, we've had far too much roles revealed already given that it is only Day Phase Two.

I don't know if this is to prevent Outlaw's lynch, or to muddy up the waters with Destiny, or honestly if Destiny is even involved with it (if it was just a frame job). But I can say for a fact that what Anaxagore posted is not anywhere close to what I was up to last night.

I had one target and it wasn't either P4rk or Tyche. If I revealed the target it would give a strong hint as to my role.

Would the person know you targeted them?

Potentially. That's a vague answer I know but I really don't want to role claim.