Type: Posts; User: Imarevenant
felt like a ploy after the last game, glad it worked out though because if probably been eliminated it it weren't for the really small sliver of cred that gave me.
Y'all were ending these last couple phases before I even had time to check in after work and pretending to be my kids teacher all day
I protected IC, she wasn't attacked or I'd be dead.
Going to be honest, I need much more time to make a decision on this today. You wanted early thoughts and that's still where I'm at.I thought tracking lukesss last night would remove this distraction and finally clarify that he's just had some bad reads as opposed to being scum. I'm surprised that given we know he didn't put in the kill last night both you and Rev would put him as your number one lynch today.If placed in an order of preference I would goI would probably have went with one of the vanilla claims left. Going in, I was going to go for Rev or EP, but since this phase started both have had claimed and have risen a bit from my suspicions. But only by a little. Paws is another big question mark for me, as I was reading through. She posted that she had little info about me, when I had already given out my role. I tend to be wary of this as it could be a sign that she wasn't fully paying attention and out for the town's best interests. I am also suspecting Jaded more, as after playing hero day 1 he had basically made no effort to help. He only dropped in to vote on lynches and I haven't seen much from him during the latter stages. He could still be mafia considering he hit an SK. Lukes is the last one I am considering. This is mainly due to the fact I really want to know what his alignment truly is. It has become a big what if behind my mind.
Lukes
Jaded
Paws
Rev
EP.
How about you Destiny? Any thoughts on who to lynch next?
I'll go:
Paws
Rev
Jaded
lukesss
EP
Darr
Leion
People are moving up and down constantly in my mind. Really waiting to see what p4rk has to say and hoping to hear a bit more from Darr as well.
Is Universal Back Up a common role here?
Thinking about removing Jaded from my town core to be honest.
And night results and actions are only a small part of my thoughts so far this phase. There is little differentiating everybody so we have to look much deeper than night results. Look at the content of people's posts and whether or not the person is trying to push the game forward or if their actions are actually working against town interests.
That's why I have it the way I do, Night actions on town part have countermeasures for scum so that has to factor in here, so the basis for my decision making is what the person is doing during the day. It is a difficult balance and you have to choose what to trust.
Early in the game something about Waywards play made your night result confirm what I was already reading. It wasn't the sole basis for why I was willing to eliminate him and trust in your result, it was confirmation. Likewise, Anax's play day 1, the unwarranted backlash on him at the end of day 1, and then how he played his hand day 2 (as well as other peoples reactions to it) made me trust him and the result he had.
Which leads to today, your result is a complete 180 from what I've read of Lukess' play so far this game. I have to make a decision to trust in that result or what I've read. Right now, I'm still trusting in my read. It's early in the phase though so we have time to work through everyone and figure this out, but right now I'm trusting what I've seen for 3 phases. Your result will at least give me a reason to hold off, consider that I may be tunneling, and hear things out; which is why I dropped my vote earlier, but, if the situation stays the way it is moving forward I know where I'm going to feel most comfortable voting at the end of the day.
Can I ask, what do you see when you actually ISO his posts? What am I missing that allows you to move him down your scum list? If I'm wrong here, help me get out of this tunnel. That goes for you as well @lukess1 what can you give to ease at least mine and Leion's uneasiness about you? Please be specific in any reads you want to bring forward.
I live in the grey area most games so I get it.I see, to be fair, I still have suspicions of you myself. That was why I reacted.I wanted to see if he would correct it. That's why I put that statement on it's own, to see what he would do.
This habit of answering things for each other is hindering to town and catching scum slipping up
Honestly, I don't think it was some kind of slip. I was a topic of discussion thus far in the game so I can see how someone might accidentally put my name instead of someones else' name (in this case Anax). I did want to see how he'd respond to my post or ask him later to give us Zergs actions/notes again and see if the same mistake came up; but that's fine. If he were scum I really don't see the play on being dishonest with that info anyway, unless he's lying about being a Neighbor. But then I would have expected Zerg to jump on it when he started bread crumbing the relationship. Just a small grasping at straws situation.
There were some things about Wayward/Outlaw day 1 and then during his defense I noticed that piqued my interest and caused me to not believe him to be town. I hope I'm right and can use that info to help me when playing games with him in the future. But it may be wishful thinking and I could be full of $%#!. He'd say I'm full of $%#! lol
If phase were ending in an hour I'd still go Lukess at this point. His play is reading to much like he's playing at TWTBW. If I'm wrong that's fine but he's spent more time in thread working against town than for it. I don't know, maybe he has Godfather or Ninja Kill that has given him a sense of security or maybe I need to get out of this tunnel.
Paws and Jaded I'm also interested in.
Paws and Lukess were fellow VT claims. I knew I wasn't VT from the beginning so have kept an eye on them. I feel better about Paws out of the three because I think she's done the work in thread. Jaded could have been a mafia day kill that he's used to skate by and not really contribute since day 1 (as far as I can remember). So he's a huge question to me as well.
I did come in to the day with lots of doubt in EP but he's felt town this phase.
Sorry for the other quotes posts.
Destiny that is why we need to look at whose playing town game in thread but just ability.
Maf could have day kill. They could have ninja kill. We all need to ISO each other and see whose playing toward town goals.
I wanted to see if he would correct it. That's why I put that statement on it's own, to see what he would do.Finally caught up. This interaction stood out to me.
Zergon watched Anax right?
And you acknowledging you were the one being visited seems odd to me.The neighbor crumbs and your play has what has led me to a town lean for you, although I feel like I'm in the minority on that one.
Zerg had me night 1 and you night 2 then.
Thinking out loud here.....
Thinking of game set up. We have odd/even investigators, destiny roll cop, so they have a framer x3 to counter. We have Zerg/Anax/Destiny able to track, could we have a ninja kill out there or day kill to counter all that? We have multiple protectors, would we see a day kill or strong arm to counter?
Lots to think through and figure out whose been playing a town game.
This habit of answering things for each other is hindering to town and catching scum slipping up
I don't see why not, but, in a game where SK was taken out day 1, that would be ballsy as hell.
The neighbor crumbs and your play has what has led me to a town lean for you, although I feel like I'm in the minority on that one.
Zerg had me night 1 and you night 2 then.
Thinking out loud here.....
Thinking of game set up. We have odd/even investigators, destiny roll cop, so they have a framer x3 to counter. We have Zerg/Anax/Destiny able to track, could we have a ninja kill out there or day kill to counter all that? We have multiple protectors, would we see a day kill or strong arm to counter?
Lots to think through and figure out whose been playing a town game.
Nope, just the JK and BG now.Did you get the Neighbor part, too?I have to complete the cycle before the +2's come back around@Imarevenant how do you only have JK and BG? You should still have another dr left? She had 2? Im confused.GDS Barebones Episode 7: The Vote Awakens Night 1 Results
Tyche has died. They were:
Caleb Smith, Town Jack of All Trades (x2 Bodyguard, x2 Doctor, x1 Jailkeeper) | Neighbor
Night 1 has ended.
Night 1 ended at 9:00 PM EDT on Wednesday, September 2nd, 2020.
I'll reserve that for scum but likely won't announce it, in case there are twoI'll volunteer for jailkeeping by the way. Since I don't do anything at night.I have to complete the cycle before the +2's come back around@Imarevenant how do you only have JK and BG? You should still have another dr left? She had 2? Im confused.GDS Barebones Episode 7: The Vote Awakens Night 1 Results
Tyche has died. They were:
Caleb Smith, Town Jack of All Trades (x2 Bodyguard, x2 Doctor, x1 Jailkeeper) | Neighbor
Night 1 has ended.
Night 1 ended at 9:00 PM EDT on Wednesday, September 2nd, 2020.
That question was a result of my own forgetfulness. I cleared P4rk in my head because I thought he was targeted for night kill. Seeing Dr was what was used and not Bodyguard momentarily uncleared P4rk for me until I remembered TSS targeted Tyche and P4rk.Town Bodyguard
As Town Bodyguard, you have access to the Guarding Night Action. Guarding another player will cause you to die instead if that player is targeted by a kill on the same night. Submit your Night Action each night using the form below the game thread. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used.
If you do not submit an action, you will forego your action on that night.
I've got everything straight again.
I have to complete the cycle before the +2's come back around@Imarevenant how do you only have JK and BG? You should still have another dr left? She had 2? Im confused.GDS Barebones Episode 7: The Vote Awakens Night 1 Results
Tyche has died. They were:
Caleb Smith, Town Jack of All Trades (x2 Bodyguard, x2 Doctor, x1 Jailkeeper) | Neighbor
Night 1 has ended.
Night 1 ended at 9:00 PM EDT on Wednesday, September 2nd, 2020.
I'll be honest I was waiting to see what roles would pop up to take over. With little mafia left I settled on Tyche.I mean claiming vanilla and then claiming Town Universal Backup is a little suspicious. But since the mafia universal backup is already dead and i think there's only 1 mafia member left, there's really no other explanationTBH it never was a thing. At GDS we had a lot of skilled players who led the town while not revealing all of the truth until it was needed
LAL was broken out when you knew someone was scum and caught up in their own lies and didn't want to waste time arguing in circles.
I only get the abilities that haven't been used. Tyche used Dr
I have JK and Bodyguard left. Tyche was the night 1 target, They didn't die from a successful protection.
TBH it never was a thing. At GDS we had a lot of skilled players who led the town while not revealing all of the truth until it was needed
LAL was broken out when you knew someone was scum and caught up in their own lies and didn't want to waste time arguing in circles.
Haha, look up one postThat being said, I would like to know why you aren't vanilla anymore? Thats a bit concerning to me.Just reading the way he said something. I could be way off base. He wants to hang on to whom it is though so I'll give him that leeway. I posted the above before I saw that he wanted to hang in to it.
How many wolves do you think are left?
1 or 2. I can see a case either way.
Town focus should be on working through
Lukess (destiny has provided info there)
EP
Myself
Paws
Darr (I did an ISO and I'm not seeing what Lukess and EP are, his posts seem to be contributing more than many to me. But if he's sus to them I'd like for them to ask him questions rather than just shading him on a list with a vague explanation)
@Destinylives
I do have a question. Which one dies if their target is protected? Dr or Bodyguard?
@Destinylives
Contrary to TSS beliefs I don't claim at the drop of a hat.
I was camila in the sense I didn't go out night 1 when asked. Didn't night 2 either. Finally visited an old friend in the graveyard and have a more normal role.
Just thought the town could use a Backup plan this late in the game.
I feel like he is contributing less than the other non-confirmed roles.Just reading the way he said something. I could be way off base. He wants to hang on to whom it is though so I'll give him that leeway. I posted the above before I saw that he wanted to hang in to it.
How many wolves do you think are left?
1 or 2. I can see a case either way.
Town focus should be on working through
Lukess (destiny has provided info there)
EP
Myself
Paws
Darr (I did an ISO and I'm not seeing what Lukess and EP are, his posts seem to be contributing more than many to me. But if he's sus to them I'd like for them to ask him questions rather than just shading him on a list with a vague explanation)
Looks to be LukessDestiny and who is the second? So we can narrow the list down some.I definitely agree we’re going to have a difficult time finding the last one. No one sticks out, too much. I have 2 confirmed town results, and I think between going back through the ISOs, and seeing how people act today, we’ll learn a lot.
##Unvote lukess1True. But IC tried to make it as if I was voting sleep BECAUSE of MLT. I didn’t want MLT lynched because we share the same D1 beliefs. I also felt we didn’t have a concrete way to go that I felt comfortable risking. The second reason was 99% of why I voted asleepNo I didn’t lol. You are the only one who doesn’t understand my reasoning.It didn't immediately catch scum. He lied about Rev first.
Once again, Destiny doesn't read. MLT is on my scum list and I said I'd place my vote later but with plurality, I didn't feel a rush since we had a day and a half at the time.##Vote Imarevenant
I agree that lukess has defended all three scum and the end of the last day phase did not like a team effort between him and MLT to end the phase early. However, lukesss didn't go anywhere last night.
Rev, are you really vanilla?
I trust the info you're giving.
And up until last night, yes.
Anything specific about his play that makes you question him though?I have slight town leads on almost everyone else.
You were the only one last phase even entertaining MLT's asinine, LAL argument against Anax.
Day 1 - defense of Wayward throwing your full support into the Framer defense Wayward had going.
Day 2 - defense of TSS arguing against Anax, throwing your full support into TSS's Anax is a liar defense.
Day 3 - showing support for MLT's LAL nonsense against Anax. And then the seemingly almost coordinated effort to end the phase a day early.
/Thread Read
Why Darr?
Might as well start this. All 3 scum in the graveyard were defended by 1 person
##Vote lukess1
If you're town, where should we be looking?
Top 2 most likely to be wolf please.
It isn't about # of posts. EP already said it everything has been solely about being defensive with you.Except there was an actual result against them. The only thing you guys have given is that..I don't like day 1 lynches...and according to Rev, I haven't posted that much, but have more than him...
Because I was asked to provide this.
@Anaxagore - town, yes, sometimes it's good for town to lie.
@Destinylives - town, enough said
@Internet Cupid - town, have felt she's pushed the game forward more than most.
@Darr - town had been asking good questions from beginning of the game and making efforts to solve the game
@zergon - town, much like Darr, had been asking the right questions and making all efforts to solve the game
@Leionhart - town, was a tougher read until claimed night 2 action
@p4rk - town, has been doing his part, role is fakeable but that thought is just tinfoil. I believe he's been acting in best interest of town during the day.
@Jaded - town lean, earned town equity day 1. Unless this is another well played ruse.
@Pawprints - neutral, gut is that she's town. Arguments with IC had me questioning but votes and actions have leaned toward town. Always tough for me to read as her post count is so high I have to ISO frequently to remember all she's said
@EternalPhoenix - neutral, never gives up any info whether town or scum. Has been contributing more as game progresses though
@lukess1 - scum lean, all actions have been against town best interests. Could be attempt at being considered twtbw
@MLT - scum, actions have been wolfy, only popping up when being questioned is wolfy. Most likely to be wolf.
Yes, that'll take me a minute. Sorry busy day with the kids, have to find pockets of time to postCould you give a list of your reads?I agree here
I'm of the opinion that you probably protected against a kill and not that scum was dumb enough to have Wayward perform the kill. If who you protected is on the questionable list then reveal as scum likely know who it was while we don't.You do know if i answer night two, i can't protect them night three, right?
I doubt between Tyche and Anax night 1. I protected Anax cuz i didnt wanna lose the town tracker. I also thought scum may avoid killing off the strongest townread cuz of protection roles but they did.
Night 2.... should i? I can't protect again that person night 3.
If it someone who is a part of town core then we don't need to know in case it was Wayward that tried to perform faction kill.
That post was when Anax was posting things like "I'm Scum" and before he revealed who he tracked. Also when Lukess was fighting against destiny's result on Wayward.I don't fully like this post
Rev voted a lot for MLT and said to shoot him in the who would you should question. What progression from Rev makes them not including MLT here?
Are Rev and MLT teamed or been distancing?
I've been sus of MLT from the beginning. Hey play has been to argue and only show up when we have questions for her (her own words) and not contribute much otherwise.
She's my #1 to eliminate today. With EP and Lukess whom I'm giving more of a benefit of doubt than the others just because his play makes no sense to me if he's scum.
I agree here
I'm of the opinion that you probably protected against a kill and not that scum was dumb enough to have Wayward perform the kill. If who you protected is on the questionable list then reveal as scum likely know who it was while we don't.You do know if i answer night two, i can't protect them night three, right?
I doubt between Tyche and Anax night 1. I protected Anax cuz i didnt wanna lose the town tracker. I also thought scum may avoid killing off the strongest townread cuz of protection roles but they did.
Night 2.... should i? I can't protect again that person night 3.
If it someone who is a part of town core then we don't need to know in case it was Wayward that tried to perform faction kill.
That post was when Anax was posting things like "I'm Scum" and before he revealed who he tracked. Also when Lukess was fighting against destiny's result on Wayward.I don't fully like this postI'm in agreement with this.If they are town acting like this...I'd rather be done with them too. As town we don't need even more distractions than the ones we have already with WS/Destiny..and so on....
Like being a troll for the sake of trolling in this game is silly IMO/
My elimination preference for today is looking like this.
Anax
Wayward
Lukess
Rev voted a lot for MLT and said to shoot him in the who would you should question. What progression from Rev makes them not including MLT here?
Are Rev and MLT teamed or been distancing?
I've been sus of MLT from the beginning. Hey play has been to argue and only show up when we have questions for her (her own words) and not contribute much otherwise.
She's my #1 to eliminate today. With EP and Lukess whom I'm giving more of a benefit of doubt than the others just because his play makes no sense to me if he's scum.
So out of those that defended TSS last phase, who should we look at?Here's a hint: if I was a wolf, I would never have defended TSS. And for the millionth time, I was more defending there being a framer in which I was right.Going to be honest. I want to policy eliminate you so bad for that.
As for the game, I can't see you going so hard on the defenses of TSS and Wayward without them trying to have you tone it down in wolf chat. Doesn't clear you by any means but I think we table the Lukess discussion and explore other avenues.
MLT I would love to see your thoughts beyond the "day 1 Lynch topic." Who do you think we should be looking harder at today?
You still question Anax? We had a scum positive result in Wayward which although split there was a real possibility of that being the day's elimination. Given that parameter why would a scum Anax then bus TSS?Going to be honest. I want to policy eliminate you so bad for that.
As for the game, I can't see you going so hard on the defenses of TSS and Wayward without them trying to have you tone it down in wolf chat. Doesn't clear you by any means but I think we table the Lukess discussion and explore other avenues.
MLT I would love to see your thoughts beyond the "day 1 Lynch topic." Who do you think we should be looking harder at today?
Anaxagore
Darr
EternalPhoenix
Imarevenant
Internet Cupid
Leionhart
lukess1
p4rk
Pawprints
zergon
OF the people on this list. I removed two names that I feel are town.
As for the rest. Anex is here mostly because of the constant lies. They have struck me wrong.
Luke, I don't know about. I feel the play is just too ballsy to be scum.
As for the remaining names. I.C and EP.
Can you expand on the sus of IC? Beyond the difference of opinion regarding day 1 eliminations.
Going to be honest. I want to policy eliminate you so bad for that.
As for the game, I can't see you going so hard on the defenses of TSS and Wayward without them trying to have you tone it down in wolf chat. Doesn't clear you by any means but I think we table the Lukess discussion and explore other avenues.
MLT I would love to see your thoughts beyond the "day 1 Lynch topic." Who do you think we should be looking harder at today?
/nod
Anax pretty much confirmed what I had thought was going on with him that phase. Unconventional is the easiest way to describe the play but whatever, it's not fun if we all play the same. TSS' unwillingness to help at all just feels like scum trapped in a corner and not wanting to say anything that could potentially shine a light on a teammate.
As for you, I'm still not the type that will immediately jump to thinking "he must have been framed." But I'm willing to at least explore the possibility. I thought I saw something in your defense that tweaked my interest, I have to go back and re-read that whole situation again when I have some time. For now I'm ok sticking with focus on the TSS/Anax situation.
Holy Hell, quite the read today.
Does anyone really think that scum would have avoided Zergon possibly outing a protector?
For me this is why I can't simplify the situation to just LAL. Reading through all the interactions I got the sense that Anax is quite the unconventional player. A Hellshock, Machinesxe, Jim Force type who might try these weird town plays. It read to me like he quickly aborted when it appeared that a stronger town role could be outed.
BTW town lying is not unheard of. Arrows, Taker, Mr T, many town players have helped lead town to victories by lying and making things more difficult for scum to figure out.
Anyway, my bigger concern is I just don't see the scum ploy here. A one for one is of no use to scum right now, no matter how big the target may be. The only way I can see this being a scum ploy is if more than 1 member was about to be eliminated and exposed as scum.
His profile has him at 500 posts or so. He played in the Mafia Championships. Go look at those games and then tell me if 500 posts is a lot.
Actually, looking at his details he's played 3 games here on MU. So, that Meta isn't really tracking.
TBH I'm tempted to figure out how to get Wayward, Anax, and TSS to 4 votes a piece and let the randomness of plurality take care of things.
But my gut is telling me Anax is weird and got a little too cutesy for his own good and had to back off it for fear of possibly exposing a town protector. TSS has been doing his best to use Anax's mistakes to sow doubt but just because TSS has called himself an open book, that doesn't make that statement true.
So my chopping block for this day phase at this moment is:
TSS
Anax (if we don't eliminate TSS then we should eliminate Anax to ensure the situation is settled)
Wayward (I'll ISO soon and pull out some posts that have me concerned beyond just Destiny's result)
Town Reads are:
P4rk
Destiny
Jaded
Zergon
Darr
I'm in agreement with this.If they are town acting like this...I'd rather be done with them too. As town we don't need even more distractions than the ones we have already with WS/Destiny..and so on....
Like being a troll for the sake of trolling in this game is silly IMO/
My elimination preference for today is looking like this.
Anax
Wayward
Lukess
EBWOP. I hate phone swiping and autocorrect. Featherbed, really?!?Unfortunately, how you feel has no bearing on what is realistically possible and it is completely possible for the framing to work that way.
I still lean toward a Wayward or Lukess elimination but I won't turn a blind eye to the possibility of a framer
Again I'll ask everyone. How do you feel about Waywards defense of himself. Personally I think it's felt off, very different than when EP went for him. Maybe I'm misremembering but I'd like to see others thoughts on this.
Unfortunately, how you feel has to featherbed in what is realistically possible and it is completely possible for the framing to work that way.I really feel like it doesn't
I still lean toward a Wayward or Lukess elimination but I won't turn a blind eye to the possibility of a framer
Again I'll ask everyone. How do you feel about Waywards defense of himself. Personally I think it's felt off, very different than when EP went for him. Maybe I'm misremembering but I'd like to see others thoughts on this.
Stop answering for him.This is what probably happened with @Anaxagore. Or they just lied, but that would be odd with a logical explanation.Yes.
This solves it assuming all truths. @Anaxagore targets Rev, who is jailed by WaywardSon. Gets a message back which would be the same as if roleblocked. That's what likely happened and where the confusion is.
I want to hear a real explanation from him. I have ideas on what he was playing at but I sure as hell am not giving him that out. Let him explain it himself.
I didnt see anyone asking for a mass claim. We are just discussing the wayward/destiny/lukess situation.
I agree it's questionable, but, let's start with asking questions first.Lynch All Liars?Um?
Anax, what were you trying to accomplish with this lie?
I hear you there. Multi-quoting on the phone isn't working for me. Hell, swiping on the phone is leading to ridiculous typos
Btw I agree with your earlier comment and understand why Destiny came out right away with the info. Some of us like to play aroubd with info a bit more but Destiny seems eager this game and him coming out like that tracks for me with how he came into the game.
Probably trying to delete nested quotes and did it wrong.Again, why does that quote say ir's from me when it's from Rev? Did you have some quote from me and just deleted it?We'd be seeing a conversation asking why he waited so long. I can see the reasoning for holding a result a few hours, or a half day, but no one wants to do it. It's hard not to share it early and let the discussion happen.
I sit at home eating Ice Cream at night, so that action was wasted on me and I have no way to verify sadly.
Gotcha. And I do agree that I probably would have waited myself and proceed attend a little first.At least ask Wayward questions first. Try to catch him in a lie.How long did you want him to sit on the info. If he sat on it for half the phase, what would you have said then?I mentioned it before but my problem was more about Destiny being so confident and not waiting to reveal than it was defending Outlaw. I am willing to vote him if needed but really want to hear from others soon.
That said, the way Destiny played it doesn't make me distrust him and want to defend who he had a result on.
How do you feel about how Wayward had defended himself? Does it feel similar to how he defended himself in the past, particularly against EP and MoT?
I have my thoughts but would like to hear others
How long did you want him to sit on the info. If he sat on it for half the phase, what would you have said then?I mentioned it before but my problem was more about Destiny being so confident and not waiting to reveal than it was defending Outlaw. I am willing to vote him if needed but really want to hear from others soon.Similar thoughts that I'm having. I don't see how town would go so hard defending someone, to me you only do that as wolf when you are trying to build town equity or things are dire and you have to avoid the elimination. Wolves arent there yet of course and putting some thought to it, if they were linked I would expect Wayward to have asked Lukess to put the brakes on a bit in scum chat.
That said, I've always been of the mind to play the odds and Eliminate scum positive results when they come and deal with a framing if it actually shows up. That's worked for me most of the time
Would like to hear from IC and others here though.
Similar thoughts that I'm having. I don't see how town would go so hard defending someone, to me you only do that as wolf when you are trying to build town equity or things are dire and you have to avoid the elimination. Wolves arent there yet of course and putting some thought to it, if they were linked I would expect Wayward to have asked Lukess to put the brakes on a bit in scum chat.
That said, I've always been of the mind to play the odds and Eliminate scum positive results when they come and deal with a framing if it actually shows up. That's worked for me most of the time
Would like to hear from IC and others here though.
So i was trying to multi-post on my phone but F that noise. Moved to the laptop but not going back to re-quote the posts.
@zergon - I'm leaning toward the belief that Wayward and Lukess have a higher probability of being Wolf than Town. I get the argument of a framer but there were much more logical targets for framing after the last day phase imo. Anax, Myself, MLT, P4rk; there were a lot of questionable looking people after the phase and I believe Wayward, for all his protesting, did not receive an overabundance of night action last game IIRC.
On the flip side I had Invest last game and steered clear of copping him night 1 just because I wouldn't trust my results 100% if I got a positive scum result. I could honestly run myself in circles with this. ATM with the result and Lukess' hard press on the Wayward Defense makes me lean Wolf on the two of them and I would trust that lean as a result.
Also, comparing this to the situation last game is not apples to apples. Lukess tried to use his Scum Role Cop to convince everyone that he was town aligned. I'm not seeing Destiny trying to leverage this result to prove his town equity, he's flat out saying he has a positive scum result on Wayward and pushing that result.
@WaywardSon - Do you believe Destiny to be scum and that this is a scum ploy? I really want to see your thought process on this. It may or may not alleviate a lot of concern for me. What do you think is going on with Lukess here as well?
Depends really, if he is the only Town able to protect then It doesn't seem like that much Protection Potential.This many protect roles on a single town member doesn’t feel like a high firepower game to you?
But if there are multiple like Tyche then yeah, we might have been dealing with some high powered scum.
1 Night Kill, after the SK was killed suggests maybe just factional kill left.
We haven't been seeing Dedicated Dr's/bodyguards in these games. Mostly a bunch of Town JOAT's with a mix of protection and investigation abilities. Having one JOAT show up armed so heavily with protect abilities can suggest we are up against formidable wolves.
Rushing a Lynch puts more of a spotlight on you though. Knowing someone's alignment 💯 puts more info out there to piece together and see whose pushing the town and in what direction.Explain. Wouldn't scum want to lynch an innocent? With possibly 4 members, they could do that p easily.
I'd be happy with sleep if I were scum.
I wasn't particularly defending Anaxagore, I just didn't see how Jaded killing the SK while Anaxagore was pushing for it to be particularly scummy. Remember Jaded was the one volunteering himself as the Day Vig and stating he was going to use his shot today. To me Anax helped push that gun in the direction of Cat while having a healthy distrust of the claimed day vig. Again, I come form the thought that Jaded's early claim and determination to use the ability Day 1 was odd to begin with. Jaded and I play completely different though.
So my "defense" of Anax is just more trying to get a discussion on why it was worth going that route now. I saw Lukess and Paws pushing to Anax, while Anax's first 2 posts after the vigging were literally "Good Job Jaded" and then Unvoting for Jaded. If Anax had come out of that Vig to start painting Jaded as scum after the vigging then yeah, that looks sus. But that wasn't the case at all and I wanted to get a better understanding of why they felt Anax was sus after the result came in. That simple.
You didn't play last game where she had no issues voting to Eliminate Day 1. I noted it early that game because it was out of character. She was scum.Working on my ISO for you now.Hey IC
First it's Rev, just Rev, the Reve thing is wierding me out.
Anyway, I apologise for your confusion of my vote on Destiny early. Did you notice your the only one put off by it while none of the others were? It's because my first post in every game I've played with Destiny is a vote on him. Sometimes I push him, sometimes I drop it early but it always happens. I get where that makes me look Suss to newcomers but it's a tradition that goes years back.
Eff/Mark does not assign roles, he just doesn't. I believe I have more background than any here in how he sets up games and I'm 99% certain tile assigning didn't happen.
Helpful: Dart, IC, TSS
Distraction: Hellshock, Destiny, MLT
EP I would give the gun to.
Out of those 4 I would probably shoot P4rk right now as EP is present at least and can contribute when he sees something.
I do want to give P4rk the benefit of the doubt but atm I would choose to go with the person whose been in thread even if he's being standoffish as usual.
Give him to Zergon
Shoot MLT - she's gone back to the we should not kill anyone on day 1 routine after being willing to last game. I think it's all a ploy so she can say "last game I was scum when willing to eliminate day 1". I'm bout trusting what I'm seeing from her at all.
You had at least 10 posts literally contributing nothing to the game until about this post.
Care to explain your helpful/distractions lists?
Also I find it odd that you're so willing to kill someone for a consistent opinion they've had since the beginning of time. MLT had always been anti day 1 lynch every game ive played with her and its typical for her to get defensive about it when people tell her its not optimal.
This is a pretty normal opinion and reaction from her so I'm understanding where the scum lean is coming from.
I'm still ISOing you, but I recall you contributing more to games than this in the past. But maybe my memory is bad.
I clearly stated now that I found her reverting back to the let's not Lynch day 1 stance to be sus. Seems like a ploy so she can point back to last game and say she is always against day 1 eliminations when town and only for them when scum. Maybe she is that transparent in her play but I've always thought her more clever than that.
How much I post had always been based on how much time I have available.I'm ISOing you next. I swear you were more active in previous games we played together. You just seem off to me.Well I stand corrected on questioning the tactic. Good job.
To Hellshock as well, I'm completely baffled by him but his reads turn out more often than not.
This is where I'm at right now for reasons I expressed earlier
##Vote MLT
Gotcha, thanks
Originally Posted by MLT
