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    Completed not sure why you say I'm you're fellow villager,...

    not sure why you say I'm you're fellow villager, there's no reason to doubt my claim yet, but also put me in your PoE
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    Completed Wallbanger

    ##Vote Wallbanger
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    Completed yes I was saying you could be w/w with wallbanger...

    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1377)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1375)
    lukess going back to find a vote count shows he has an extremely weak ego and is actually probably unfortunately a town thing to do
    Fragile ego for proving something you are insistent on and saying I'm scum for not voting when I started it? Sounds like someone is projecting.
    yes I was saying you could be w/w with wallbanger cause you didn't do a single thing to push him and had a meek single vote wagon in him which means nothing
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    Completed lukess going back to find a vote count shows he...

    lukess going back to find a vote count shows he has an extremely weak ego and is actually probably unfortunately a town thing to do
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    Completed I know it does and I don't really care. Read the...

    Quote Originally Posted by Darr (#1369)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1365)
    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1364)
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#1363)
    Esooa is a green check. Can we move on already?
    That makes her game soooooo much worse then. Gonna try to stop tunneling as I want to actually have fun again so ##Vote Wallbanger. I'm also still very wary of mal as I have laid out before the stuff hit the fan tonight.
    wow you are embarrassed as such a fool
    This very much reads rude, like you're rubbing it in, even if that's not the intention. Just fyi.
    I know it does and I don't really care. Read the past two pages and if you think me repeating some of the constant inanity I've received back at the person pushing most of it to show how awful his thought processes are is the rude thing in these interactions then
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    Completed lukess was wrong on me ergo mafia am I solving?

    lukess was wrong on me ergo mafia

    am I solving?
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    Completed wow you are embarrassed as such a fool

    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1364)
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#1363)
    Esooa is a green check. Can we move on already?
    That makes her game soooooo much worse then. Gonna try to stop tunneling as I want to actually have fun again so ##Vote Wallbanger. I'm also still very wary of mal as I have laid out before the stuff hit the fan tonight.
    wow you are embarrassed as such a fool
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    Completed the addendum at the end of if he did is such an...

    the addendum at the end of if he did is such an "oh right I should be trying to hide TMI" post
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    Completed this is also basically outing because lukess is...

    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1357)
    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1355)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1354)
    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1352)
    No I did not. I had SS as one of my stronger town reads.
    Fair enough then.
    He wouldn't have done what he did as scum.
    And if he did, kudos to him.
    this is also basically outing because lukess is currently doing something similar to what SS did and needs to emotionally justify it
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    Completed lukess keeps bouncing between I'm a wolf and this...

    lukess keeps bouncing between I'm a wolf and this is policy because he knows I'm town and needs to make up a $%#!ty excuse if I ever flip
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    Completed :polidab::polidab::polidab::polidab:

    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1348)
    I know part of this is tunnel but I didn't trust her from the start. And this is def 75% policy considering I don't like how often people come in here and insult our play. If you're going to be a jerk and prioritize yourself over the team on D1, I'm gonna policy vote you.
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    Completed this is such an absolutely ridiculous way to look...

    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1346)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1345)
    Trust me when I say that Esooa is just very, very clearly town here and if she isn't... well I'm never trusting her again lol. Chopping her today would genuinely be a travesty.
    I think trusting her 100% is considering I know for an absolute fact she is wrong about at LEAST me.
    this is such an absolutely ridiculous way to look at any game lmao
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    Completed lukess being outed mafia and being okay with...

    lukess being outed mafia and being okay with wallbanger dying based on a conditional that if wallbanger is town I get lynched makes me believe he just TMI'd wallbanger town

    take that for what you will I don't really care because I'm not going to be in this game tomorrow
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    Completed this post is just god awfully thick skulled that...

    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1326)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1319)
    lukess's posts are legitimately absurd. He's explained ~zero reads this entire game but constantly reiterates how wrong mine are, for no reason. These are the desperate posts of an outed wolf against a correct townie
    Lynch me then so I can embarrass you after the game as a fool.
    this post is just god awfully thick skulled that I can't believe it exists. I'm embarrassed as a fool if an anti town "town" who has done nothing this game is actually town while I'm wolf reading them, while you push me, an obvious town pr. I'm not a fool for misreading you, if I am, and the idea that you think I am is so far fetched as to be not a real thought
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    Completed you're playing too anti town to ever be night...

    Quote Originally Posted by MLT (#1324)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1315)
    I've never seen more egregious open wolfing than this
    How about this. When I die either by scum hands (unlikely) or lynched, and I turn up VT, they can lynch you next?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1317)
    Quote Originally Posted by MLT (#1313)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1306)
    MLT, voting Esooa today is always a bad call. Even if she is your town wolf read.
    So I can't wolf lean Esooa because "it's a dumb idea and she's obviously not lying on the third ability she's said she has and you obviously don't know she was joking on the first two roles she claimed"

    No..
    Sorry

    I'll wolf lean anyone I feel is wolf. I'm not sorry it doesn't fit who you think I should wolf lean, but honestly I don't care what you THINK I should read today.
    I'm telling you to wolf read who you want, what are you even saying? That's exactly what I told you to do. If you're going to be unnecessarily hostile just because I disagree with your tunnel and put words into my mouth then you're the person at fault.

    But just because you wolf read somebody it does not mean you should vote them. Wolf reading Esooa is valid. I disagree strongly but it is valid and an acceptable opinion. Chopping Esooa today is just a bad play and if there's even a small chance that Esooa is town then chopping her today is honestly just gamethrowing.
    What should I do with someone I wolf read? Ignore them? So far anyone who's voted on Esooa have been called a bad player, or cringe, and blah blah blah.

    I've pointed out how scum can manipulate a fake claim, and have been told I'm "misunderstanding it"
    you're playing too anti town to ever be night killed by mafia
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    Completed wallbanger>lukess>mlt>igno/destinylives

    wallbanger>lukess>mlt>igno/destinylives
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    Completed two of the people engaging in this bull$%#! are...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1320)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1315)
    I've never seen more egregious open wolfing than this
    The worst part is that I don't even know who the wolves are... if the push on you is from town then I'm sorry but wolves will push you over I think.
    two of the people engaging in this bull$%#! are two of my 4 person solve. It's not a coincidence
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    Completed lukess's posts are legitimately absurd. He's...

    lukess's posts are legitimately absurd. He's explained ~zero reads this entire game but constantly reiterates how wrong mine are, for no reason. These are the desperate posts of an outed wolf against a correct townie
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    Completed I've never seen more egregious open wolfing than...

    I've never seen more egregious open wolfing than this
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    Completed anyone who cares about winning should sheep my...

    anyone who cares about winning should sheep my legacy btw
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    Completed you honestly probably should give up trying to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1306)
    MLT, voting Esooa today is always a bad call. Even if she is your town wolf read.
    you honestly probably should give up trying to convince them of anything
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    Completed it's not anger. It's a toxic as $%#! wolf...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1288)
    Like, I can't even focus on the rest of the game because of this. Seriously this is just every definition of bad and if Esooa flips wolf (which I'm pretty confident she doesn't) then sorry and turbochop me next to end my suffering please but I think she's a pretty clear cut town and that your anger at her is both clouding your read of her and making you ignore that chopping her today puts us at a huge mechanical disadvantage.

    If we mischop Esooa today, we have lost the game. I don't think this is an exaggeration.
    it's not anger. It's a toxic as $%#! wolf strategy so he doesn't have to play the game

    if these are real opinions coming from lukess then god damn
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    Completed the most tonally negative things I've done in the...

    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1285)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1283)
    Unless you are very confident that Esooa is scum, which you surely can't be since you can't explain it besides a gut read, I don't see how chopping Esooa today is a good idea even if she is actually revealed to be scum eventually.

    I'm struggling to see how this isn't at least a bit influenced by personal matters and that's seriously stressing me out.
    By calling everyone idiots, she is preventing game from being solved. There's your reason.
    the most tonally negative things I've done in the past pages is call one vote cringe, call one vote bad
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    Completed I said your vote was bad. That's part of the...

    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1266)
    ##Vote Esooa
    I tried to gamesolve and got called an idiot again so gonna risk it because I don't care at all anymore.
    I said your vote was bad. That's part of the game. I don't understand how you are so incapable of handling people playing the game of mafia that was signed up for. If you're not scum I'm legitimately disappointed. If you are scum I'm disappointed your entire strategy has been to make no reads and get overly emotional and things I say.

    Nothing about this game is enjoyable and it has nothing to do with the way I'm actually engaging with it
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    Completed I am getting myself lynched EoD if I have the...

    I am getting myself lynched EoD if I have the opportunity to
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    Completed MLT didn't even know what role I claimed ...

    MLT didn't even know what role I claimed

    they're not even trying

    lukess is outed mafia

    he voted me for bad reasons, called it policy SoD, then says now he doesn't believe me at all
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    Completed literally not mechanically possible read the...

    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1257)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1256)
    Quote Originally Posted by MLT (#1254)
    If there are two PRs in the game, what is stopping wolves from claiming one day 1 and having both PRs step forward and counter? That's exactly why the game would be lost. Yet here we are because I don't believe a BP exists in the game.
    Okay but why do we need to resolve this today? If you're right, wait for one power role to either die or claim for other reasons and then if there is still another PR alive they should claim and we get Esooa. There's zero reason for is to chop her today even if we thought she was scum (and honestly I'm vouching hard on her being town here).

    Imagine the world if Esooa is actually town and you're trying to chop an unkillable townie when we wouldn't even need to consider chopping until late game anyway... that would end in disaster.

    And it would be a really bad play for Esooa to claim BPV as wolf for the reasons you were arguing Esooa wouldn't do it as town... but it would be ten times worse if Esooa were a wolf because she might just get immediately counterclaimed and die.
    Unless as wolf, they know the role doesn't exist and they can't be cc'd
    literally not mechanically possible

    read the setup

    you've clearly barely read anything
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    Completed scum reading me at this point would be bad even...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1253)
    I can at least see why people think she might be lying now... but from a mechanical standpoint we can hopefully agree that pushing her today is a bad move when she can theoretically become a mechanically confirmed bulletproof townie if we get one more PR claim / flip and no ccs? I can definitely vouch for Esooa just being town here.
    scum reading me at this point would be bad even if I were vt
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    Completed it's semi open. There's guaranteed two prs. I'm...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1248)
    Quote Originally Posted by MLT (#1247)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1245)
    Okay but seriously... ddlc can you please explain to me why you believe that Esooa isn't mechanically confirmed as town? I'm seriously getting confused.
    Can you point out to me where there is a guarantee Bp?
    Is there not?
    it's semi open. There's guaranteed two prs. I'm obviously one of them. Flips on scum/other prs can prove it. I'm honestly over all of this though
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    Completed but how cringe is this

    Quote Originally Posted by ddlcfan69 (#1241)
    Quote Originally Posted by ddlcfan69 (#1240)
    wahoo
    ##Vote esooa
    but how cringe is this
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    Completed btw the obvious reason I claimed is because with...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1235)
    MLT, how do you justify wolf-Esooa choosing to claim bulletproof town in the middle of D1 unprompted when surely that action would be suicide if she were actually scum? (As in, can you please tell me why you think that makes sense from her perspective if she's scum?)
    btw the obvious reason I claimed is because with the very weird but whatever, with the scum reads on me I wasn't being shot anyway so inno childing myself is fine

    I also was very annoyed by the scum reads
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    Completed MLT I HARD CLAIM wolf never rescind good...

    @MLT

    I HARD CLAIM wolf never rescind

    good luck getting people to believe you though
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    Completed serious question

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1227)
    "claimed a PR and didn't die in the night"

    do you realize what pr I claimed
    serious question
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    Completed "claimed a PR and didn't die in the night" do...

    "claimed a PR and didn't die in the night"

    do you realize what pr I claimed
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    Completed I believe this is correct

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1221)
    Alright so I'm getting towards reading the end of D2 now and are multiple townspeople saying that they don't want to play and voting people for non-alignment reasons here or am I completely misunderstanding?
    I believe this is correct
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    Completed who would be dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by lukess1 (#1217)
    My vote isn't a distancing vote. It's a policy vote plain and simple. I'm way better scum than town and if I was scum, you'd be dead.
    who would be dead?
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    Completed yes but I also joke claimed mason and hard...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#1210)
    @MLT Esooa isn't going over today. She's a PR until hard counterclaimed. Get off your vanity wagon and do something
    yes but I also joke claimed mason and hard claimed wolf
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    Completed what do you think about igno, wiml

    what do you think about igno, wiml
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    Completed yes. I'm just more comfortable with lukess lynch...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#1202)
    @Esooa I need to sleep and I think lukess and wallbanger are scummates now anyway. Did you notice lukess needed a bad reason to get his early distancing vote off of wallbanger?
    yes. I'm just more comfortable with lukess lynch because he is scum even if wallbanger is town imo
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    Completed Hydregon never does anything

    Quote Originally Posted by Darr (#1195)
    Hydreigon has done basically nothing all d2, which is sus, but felt town d1. Currently town lean, but not by much.

    (I'm just going down the list doing ISOs now of folks with low post count, the high post count folks are getting saved to the end because work lol)
    Hydregon never does anything
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    Completed specifically from day 2 onwards

    specifically from day 2 onwards
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    Completed unironically though Wiml I'm a claimed pr so you...

    unironically though @Wiml I'm a claimed pr so you know I'm town (bullet proof towny) so if you want to catch up easily I recommend ISOing me and reading my more contentful posts
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    Completed sheep my reads

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1187)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1179)
    yay! wiml
    Hello!
    sheep my reads
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    Completed if they're capable of reevaluating as town and...

    if they're capable of reevaluating as town and today after seeing everything I've posted they didn't do that they should die
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    Completed okay. They're probably scum then tbh

    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#1184)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1182)
    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#1180)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1173)
    destiny lives is null leaning scummy. Maybe I'm misremembering but I expect more reads from him than he's given. He had -partner equity with Syn, +partner equity with igno and wallbanger. I change my previous lynch order from

    wallbanger>lukess>igno>syn to
    wallbanger>lukess>igno>mark



    From my experience, Destiny has a tendency to stick his neck out for his team too often, either by defending, redirecting, or avoiding. From what I've seen this phase, he seems to almost be avoiding the Wallbanger direction. Assuming Wallbanger is scum, I'd think Destiny is too. MLT has a tendency to immediately go on the defense when she's scum and called out with little info. I genuinely didn't like her immediate vote on Esooa, so I took the chance to prod and didn't like her response.
    my main reason to town read MLT was "they wouldn't do aggressively wrong as scum"

    what do you think of that
    As a mod, I've seen her go HARD at some townies before. Specifically using policy eliminating as a reason.
    okay. They're probably scum then tbh
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    Completed they wouldn't be so aggressively wrong*

    they wouldn't be so aggressively wrong*
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    Completed my main reason to town read MLT was "they...

    Quote Originally Posted by markisprettyok (#1180)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1173)
    destiny lives is null leaning scummy. Maybe I'm misremembering but I expect more reads from him than he's given. He had -partner equity with Syn, +partner equity with igno and wallbanger. I change my previous lynch order from

    wallbanger>lukess>igno>syn to
    wallbanger>lukess>igno>mark



    From my experience, Destiny has a tendency to stick his neck out for his team too often, either by defending, redirecting, or avoiding. From what I've seen this phase, he seems to almost be avoiding the Wallbanger direction. Assuming Wallbanger is scum, I'd think Destiny is too. MLT has a tendency to immediately go on the defense when she's scum and called out with little info. I genuinely didn't like her immediate vote on Esooa, so I took the chance to prod and didn't like her response.
    my main reason to town read MLT was "they wouldn't do aggressively wrong as scum"

    what do you think of that
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    Completed yay! wiml

    yay! wiml
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    Completed lukess1 I much prefer this lynch atm

    ##Vote lukess1

    I much prefer this lynch atm
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    Completed why has wallbanger done so little on a day he's...

    why has wallbanger done so little on a day he's been wagoned the whole time?
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