Good game wolves!
Nice effort town.
Thanks WWS, always a pleasure to visit GDS!!!
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Good game wolves!
Nice effort town.
Thanks WWS, always a pleasure to visit GDS!!!
glgl...not great but best we have I think
So vote Esooa and self pres and I chop you tomorrow if she's town.
Which is no better than mine, or yours, but sure.
Get over it. There are no hard and fast rules.
Your vote on Esooa is the scummiest vote on the board so you have no room to talk at EoD-8 minutesThis is super scummy. A carrot lynch does nothing in figuring out others.Carrots. I join you on Wallbanger he is "forced" to self pres on Esooa. I join Mark on you and you are forced to self pres to Esooa. Either way, someone kills Esooa and foesn't have to take any responsibility for it. Carrots is the compromise.
Carrots. I join you on Wallbanger he is "forced" to self pres on Esooa. I join Mark on you and you are forced to self pres to Esooa. Either way, someone kills Esooa and foesn't have to take any responsibility for it. Carrots is the compromise.
@markisprettyok
@Kurosaki Ichigo
let's go
Fine
##Vote carrots
I swear, if day one in an 18 player game comes down to a rand on THREE VOTE WAGONS I'm gonna ask WWS to give me a 16 shot vig gun so I can just shoot all of you.
The thing with Carrots is that there's no clear, and the commitment to "I'm gonna sleep and no logical argument can sway me" bodes poorly for there ever being a way to clear him. Everyone else I feel like even though I might not have a read yet ^cough-you-cough* I feel like with time I will get there.
I'd kinda like to table this pending more information. I agree it seems likely there's a wolf in there, and I know where my vote was...but as time has passed I am thinking Kuro isn't the most likely. I'm probably down for just chopping carrots so if you want to move your vote to a more likely chop that'd be good.Between me, you, Marl, Esooa, and SS I believe at least one is scum from a probability standpoint. I know it isn't me, despite the issues I'm willing to wait on Esooa, and of the remaining three, you're the one that gives me the most feels.Did you explain why me and I didn't notice that?
Please link me the post
Does a w!dj actually make that vote though? I mean he has to know that sleep isn't going to carry, so he kinda draws sus no matter the outcome. Seems like w!dj just plunk votes one of his wolf reads and dips. I hate that vote with a blinding rage, but I think it's probably townish.
Me too, but it doesn't seem way out of line here. In a game where half the playerlist see,ed inclined towards just skipping day one a 'got derp cleared so just dipped' doesn't seem so egregious.
Glad I could help. Buckle up though. With 1:20 to go and no real lead wagons this is probably gonna get bumpy.I just wanted to know why you changed your Kurosaki Ichigo vote to Wallbanger,because I was just about to join in on the Kurosaki Ichigo voteSure. The stale wagons thing was a pretty good point. The not getting all thunderdomey at me is a good look. Esooa I think is just town anyway. DJ, despite the cowardly sleep vote mentioned two likely wolves and Wallbanger was one of them. Why wouldn't I go here?
@markisprettyok
@Imarevenant
@Destinylives
What do you guys think of this Wallbanger wagon?
Sure. The stale wagons thing was a pretty good point. The not getting all thunderdomey at me is a good look. Esooa I think is just town anyway. DJ, despite the cowardly sleep vote mentioned two likely wolves and Wallbanger was one of them. Why wouldn't I go here?
Cool. Mark would probably disagree on the "wolf Tim is gentle" concept, but we'll let that pass.No, I had the idea that you wouldn't tunnel me like that if you were a wolfTry me.
Fair warning, if you meant that as a "you won't like my way cuz I'll flash wagon you" threat then pack a lunch.
But outside of that I can think of several candidates I might well back you on.
Wolves are gentler than you were today.
and that's one, sure##Vote WallbangerI was going to call it a standard GDS D1, myself.
Zero contribution, zero feeling, etc
##Vote Wallbanger
Try me.
Fair warning, if you meant that as a "you won't like my way cuz I'll flash wagon you" threat then pack a lunch.
But outside of that I can think of several candidates I might well back you on.
I 1000 posted a 15er. That one I know off top of head.I don't believe I could even come close in these short games with less people. Just not enough time or interaction to not be talking to myself. The old 40 man themed games? For sure.
Lead the way.The best possibility to lynch a wolf is by CFD.Could you link me the article? I would like to read over it.
Although the Village has a chance to eliminate a wolf with the lynch, there is a higher chance that villager is lynched instead.
Wolves and SK are almost guaranteed* to eliminate a town villager regardless of whether we lynch or not.
*SK and Wolves can hit each other.
Voting to sleep D1 will prevent the wolves from manipulating votes to lynch a villager. Whether or not Majority is enabled is irrelevant.
Stale wagons are town most of the time.
And at least one of those was with a daily post cap
I've 1000 posted a game more than once.
I have 7000 posts and have played a lot longer than Esooa...and at that I haven't been playing that long either.7k posts still seems like quite a bit of games, unless I'm grossly underestimating her ability to post. That's only on this site, as well. I've played a hand full of games and have only racked up 500 some posts. Even posting a LOT, it still takes like 30+ games to rack up 7k posts. That's plenty experience.I heard a legend say you're a GDS veteran, maybe I misunderstood?
I wonder what my total post count would've actually come out to. We had some stupid high numbers back when we had 40 person games. Especially when I claimed I had to have the most posts at the end of the phase to use my night ability, and people actually tried to challenge it.
Esooa at that point was in a mode where she could say or do anything. There are people (lookin' at you Marl) who townread her just for being in that state and won't care specifically what she says. I can't say for sure that I've specifically seen the self vote, but I mostly ignore the specifics at that point.
I'm just gonna stand that the whole tunnel mad drama thing has been town for her before and will be until the time she tries it as a wolf...which may be now but is pure rand at best.
If not, then who? I'm kinda pissed that @djthefunkchris made that giant wall and ended it with two supposed wolf reads but didn't put his vote where his mouth was. Now you "believe" him over me when we say the same thing, but you don't seem like you wanna vote one of his two wolf reads either.What if... Not?I am.
I said one of the 5 of us in the battle Royale was likely scum. You are the most likely candidate.
You're completely wrong about me, your opinion is like you want me to be scum, but have you really thought about that?
If he hadn't blinked you could just sheep whoever he picked and maybe I would even make a three vote wagon...which if "what if...not?' that's a good outcome.
Put some guts in the game here people!
Then put someone else on the chopper! The lead wagon is at three votes in an eighteen player game. You don't like the lead wagons then make a new one. But contribute something please.
I genuinely do not believe that at EoD-3 hours we are debating the merits of chopping v sleeping.
But I suppose I should have seen it coming.
I assumed you were smart for your ageI don't see it, you didn't talk like I was 5For all of her toxicity (that I am not gonna dispute about or defend) Esooa the runaway train and her sidekick Marl do present a force to be reckoned with. I think by stepping in front of that train SometimesSomeone demonstrated a disregard for his own place in the game that was distinctly counter to a wolf victory condition.
That may have been calculated WIFOM.
That may have been an effort to protect packmate Mark.
But for now it is the single most likely to be towny action I have seen anyone take.
And reveal themselves in the process...that's why we do what we do.After eliminating a player, they will no longer be capable of contributing to the game, which actually decreases information overall. Although information provided during Day 1 can be helpful, differing opinions will spark conflict, disagreements, and give wolves the opportunity to push further mislynches.It's better to have the information of the D1 lynch and everyone involved, plus the N1 stuff, over just the N1 stuff. Opens up significantly more discussion on D2.Although the Town's power is the vote, the Mafia can easily manipulate it, giving them the opportunity to mislead Town, turning us against each other. Although it is true that we can recover from a mislynch, it is much better to not do so at all.
@Syn you sheeped Esooa earlier on a pretty crappy vote. We are heading into the short strokes here and two of the three available wagons are arguably town. Would you mind voting for the other one please? Or starting another one maybe?
The simple answer is this:Could you link me the article? I would like to read over it.
Although the Village has a chance to eliminate a wolf with the lynch, there is a higher chance that villager is lynched instead.
Wolves and SK are almost guaranteed* to eliminate a town villager regardless of whether we lynch or not.
*SK and Wolves can hit each other.
Voting to sleep D1 will prevent the wolves from manipulating votes to lynch a villager. Whether or not Majority is enabled is irrelevant.
The reason the day one chop is so unlikely to be good is that it is basically no more likely to hit a wolf than a random shot in the dark is, because there is no actual information. However, by just sleeping the day no more information is going to be available day two than was available day one.
So continuing this logic eventually leads to just a sleeping town and letting the wolves mow through them...and that's obviously bad.
The best play for town is to make sure that the day one chop, hit or miss, generates as much information as possible, by making sure that every player takes a documented stand on not only the chopped person but several other people as well.
So, please, get to it.
Who do you think is too towny to chop here and why? Who seems like maybe they are a wolf?
It's good enough for a day one pass, because if nothing else jumping in front of the train is an event we can look back on when we have some facts.
On the other hand these accumulating sleep votes are worthless now and always will be.
Rev...I didn't call you to the stage for wishy washy confirmations (or even solid good reads like you gave), I called you to take a stand on killing someone here.
Wake up man...the only actual defender she has is Marluxion, and he moved off of you and went to bed.I move my vote, I'm the top lynch. Her defenders will not be removing theirs.Yeah, it's not you. Probably won't be the 'rude townie(?)' either. I suggest you both go to neutral corners and find someone else to vote on.Meanwhile, if she doesn't get lynched, I get lynched for her not getting her way with IER. So what would you suggest I do with my vote? If it's me or a rude townie? I'm lynching the rude townie.
I'm gonna say that something north of 5000 of those are crying wolf with very little logic behind them. She can bang out a solve in one post long about day five with the best of them...but that's one post and late game. Her early game usually looks a lot like this one and that makes for a big post count but not a lot of substance.
Yeah, it's not you. Probably won't be the 'rude townie(?)' either. I suggest you both go to neutral corners and find someone else to vote on.Meanwhile, if she doesn't get lynched, I get lynched for her not getting her way with IER. So what would you suggest I do with my vote? If it's me or a rude townie? I'm lynching the rude townie.
Note to @carrots
We are gonna chop someone, and presumably the wolves are gonna kill someone. That will give us two facts. Armed with those fact I intend to reread day one and see how people interacted with the two people of known alignment.
I can tell you right now that at this point nothing you have posted is going to be of any use whatever when bounced off those two facts, no matter who the flipped players are. You have not interacted, you've just made weird proclamations. So I will be no better able to read you tomorrow than I am able to today, and that may well be a situation that will just not change unless you yourself die.
I am not above getting that out of the way sooner rather than later.
Okay, that's a wall.
g'night
I town read SS earlier, and for more than "vibing."
So if you wanna salvage Esooa come up with a counter. I'm not anxious to chop Esooa, but I won't cry over it either.
@Marluxion
I think Mark's position here is pretty OK...you should sheep it.
You better move your vote then because I chop Esooa over SS every time here. I have absolutely no reason to give her current claim any more credit than I gave the first two.
Because Esooa shredded all credibility and it would be flatly stupid for a PR to feel pressed to counter that claim?
He's easy to find. I left him in a grave of his own digging back on survivor island.Don't make me find you!No, you!Of course my ex lover!
carrots
Ekkologix
Esooa
Marluxion
Syn
Honestly these are the people I'm looking at as not town to me, but it's day 1 and I'll admit I've skimmed some stuff because some of it was just "no you" posting.
For all of her toxicity (that I am not gonna dispute about or defend) Esooa the runaway train and her sidekick Marl do present a force to be reckoned with. I think by stepping in front of that train SometimesSomeone demonstrated a disregard for his own place in the game that was distinctly counter to a wolf victory condition.Explain that towny thing to me like I'm 5 years old, pleaseOkay. That cop cover thing is a can of worms that I kinda wish you hadn't opened, but I understand why you did. And ultimately I think we are in agreement on Syn...NAI and need to watch closely.Let me write your post in simpler words:
Syn can be town or wolf.
I don't know his alignament, I need to make a read.
In the last game no one wanted to mischop Syn after playing actively, so I don't have a 'Syn is LHF image.
I saw that he was not consistent with playstyle, because in the last game he used the cop cover in play, but after I posted my n0 Syn ignored me. I thought he was wolfy, and I tried to see what happens at a tie between Mark and Syn.
He later explained that he did not know whether or not the people here wanted to play with the cop cover, and I unvoted, but I will watch Syn closely.
You are still voting for someone that, to me, has done the single most concrete towny thing in the game so far. That...bothers me.
But, let's get a new contestant.
That may have been calculated WIFOM.
That may have been an effort to protect packmate Mark.
But for now it is the single most likely to be towny action I have seen anyone take.
My apologies. Sincerely. I'm a rude lout from the rowdy house next door but I promise I will get that right in future.Well thank you, my face is lovely.
"ahem" Her.
@Imarevenant come on down! You're our next contestant on The Kill Is Right!!!
For a trip to the bonus round, you need to choose from the following killable players!
ANYONE on the SS wagon! Yes, these miscreants have accumulated their bad votes on the most likely townie in an otherwise bland bunch of wolfy louts, so you can kill any one you want!
Oooorrrrrrr...
There's Carrots, who is NAI and has made not a single post that can ever become alignment indicating on any flip!
Ooooorrrrr...
You can chop the mystery suspect under the box!
What's your choice here?
Okay. That cop cover thing is a can of worms that I kinda wish you hadn't opened, but I understand why you did. And ultimately I think we are in agreement on Syn...NAI and need to watch closely.Let me write your post in simpler words:Because Syn always presents as an easy day one chop. I've wolfed against Syn and he is almost irresistible as LHF. So when I see people piling on him on day one for dubious reasons I generally look among them for wolf opportunists. Obviously this goes sideways when Syn happens to rand wolf, and I'm not saying that's impossible here.
Syn can be town or wolf.
I don't know his alignament, I need to make a read.
In the last game no one wanted to mischop Syn after playing actively, so I don't have a 'Syn is LHF image.
I saw that he was not consistent with playstyle, because in the last game he used the cop cover in play, but after I posted my n0 Syn ignored me. I thought he was wolfy, and I tried to see what happens at a tie between Mark and Syn.
He later explained that he did not know whether or not the people here wanted to play with the cop cover, and I unvoted, but I will watch Syn closely.
You are still voting for someone that, to me, has done the single most concrete towny thing in the game so far. That...bothers me.
But, let's get a new contestant.
Originally Posted by carrots
