Type: Posts; User: Darr
I guess it's better to vote someone who's got more content than meThis seems to be the by and large of it. Just on the last page
##Vote lukess1
I'm still voting Rev in spirit thoThis whole sequence of votes feels weird. Before Igno votes, Kuro, Syn & lukess have 2 votes each. At the end, it's 4 for lukess, 2 for Kuro (no one on that wagon moved) & 1 for Syn. And that it's 4 posts in a row, and then they all just drop it and no one posts for 3.5 hours?
All due respect, how much can you read in a short time? Or do you just ISO the player? 2 whole games is a lot.Link me please your latest town and scum gamesAs town I usually obvtown myself by my posting style. More or less why TH Esooa Tim and Syn were able to identify me as v so quickly.
As wolf I usually hide behind mechanical bull$%#! and outlandish fake claims when I can. I'm... Not a great wolf. As much as it hurts my pride to admit it.
lukess & syn were both on my wolf-lean list, could just be trying to bus a teammate to try to look better. I'm liking the Syn wagon more than I did before as the day goes on though. Good with the rand for now, but I might switch before the end of the day. I'm on toddler duty tonight while my wife has conferences, so I probably won't be around near phase end.
I think here Wallbanger tried to convince Rev to vote Carrots and so much effort by a wolf means to me that they are not alignedFor me, it's the insistence on "follow me" - I mean, we're not playing Kingmaker, and it feels like a clumsy attempt to power wolf. We recognize the risk of mislynch, but the math says it's going to happen, and not lynching just delays the gathering of information without reducing the number of mislynches needed for wolves to get parity. I'd think after getting rebuffed a couple of times, he'd join the team and start to look at alternatives.Looks good for both, to me. I had said that lukess didn't have much if any talking at WB, but didn't look for WB talking to/about lukess.Or is his style too explanatory anyway?D1 gamesolving relies heavily on meta that quite honestly I'm not necessarily read into yet. That, and reaction tests, which to a large extent was drowned out by the drama even with the (from my perspective) high post volume. This is a pace I'm just not used to yet, and I don't have a good feel for the signal/noise ratio. Don't get me wrong, there has to be discussion; it's the nature of the game after all and quiet towns are picked apart by wolves. But trying to find clues in a 500-post ISO is...daunting, tbh.After ISOing Banger again, I just feel like 90% of his posts are not game solving. And the ones that are are either voting for carrot or some other things that multiple people have said. Knowing Banger, I want to see more so putting pressure hopefully forces out some more solving Banger that can help town tons when he is with us.
Catching up and replying as I go.
Who can help with that?
Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?
This is mostly off the top of my head/feelings, but here are reads, just to get some out there. Quiet town this phase, and this game in general. Would be fine with anyone on the Wolf Vibes list for today.
Confirmed Town:
TripleHaven
ddlcfan69
Town Vibes:
Kurosaki Ichigo
ignoramus
Hydreigon25
MLT
Marluxion
Still Unsure:
DestinyLives
Wolf Vibes:
lukess1
Imarevenant
Syn
I think at least some of the lukess sus was not talking to Wallbanger in thread, which hints at them talking outside of thread, and also not a lot of solving early. Offhand, I can't recall anything since I made this post that made me feel worse about lukess, but I need to spend more time on ISOs and reads, so if other people feel the suspicion, I trust it knowing that I did at one point as well.
what do you think of lukess and mlt?I can see what you're saying but disagree with some of it.
I was trying to get some conversation going because the day was stagnant, and so were the votes. I didn't want to push a wagon to 5 on the first day of the phase, it's a little too close for comfort. Agree that Banger is wolf, leaning that way about Syn but would need to ISO for more info. Being so quiet is sus this phase though.
And besides, we need to catch the SK and the wolves to win, and taking out the SK stops 2 deaths a night right away and keeps town alive to find wolves longer.
Lukess - not a lot of solving d1 but he said he just goes off vibes on d1, so if he's town, it's lower effort and/or us GDS folks still getting used to d1 mattering. Doesn't feel like a lot d2 either. If he's wolf, "going off vibes d1" is an ok way to not try to solve while not drawing attention. Also hasn't talked to Banger, just about, so that feels sus. I'd say could be wolf, but not a lock.
ISOing MLT next, I'm trying to balance this, work, and Pokemon Go community day on my phone so I'm a bit slow today lol
That's a reference to the source of the name, Bleach, right? I started reading that manga in high school.
And for a game related post, let me go get the post I made from my d2 lukess ISO.
I feel better about Kuro than Rev but that's largely on a volume basis.
Wagons are weirdly spread out right now. I'm fine with Syn wagon, feels line that one vanished out of nowhere both days. Would be okay with Rev also, but I think this is a better shot.
##Vote lukess1
If SK didn't also have a 1-shot cop, I'd have believed it. Instead, it helped my confirmation bias.I didn't catch any of his hints either but after he came out with his result in thread it became apparent. I'm surprised you didn't trust him after that.If there was a hint before late d2, I missed it, and even then, SK would get 1 check with a cop in the game. But I miss a lot of discreet hints y'all pick up, I ought to have people explain some to me in a post-game or something.
I scum read all my wagon, now I see it
Seems sus, but I see what you are getting at on all of them. Funny coincidence.
A lot of the older games had LOTS of town PR so cop cover didn't matter as much when there could be a few doctors or role blockers or things like that.
If there was a hint before late d2, I missed it, and even then, SK would get 1 check with a cop in the game. But I miss a lot of discreet hints y'all pick up, I ought to have people explain some to me in a post-game or something.
Well now I understand why I felt mark's behavior was off, but holy butts I was in the way wrong direction, my bad. On a positive, we have a good start on who we know is town. I follow lukess's logic on why his vote is on Kuro, but I'm not so positive there was another wolf on carrots. It does seem sus how fast the votes came in on d1 though. I'll look it over later. Was gonna post reads, but without my notes, I had like 3, and it's not worth.
Not totally unsubstantiated, I posted my rationale around the end of d1. I don't think he's wolf, so that leaves SK.
Either way, I'm dropping it for the phase, I've gotta drive home from work and it sounds like I'll be busy once I get there, it's been a hectic day and toddler has the stomach flu. Probably won't be on, hope Banger flips wolf.
That's a good viewpoint. I think if I were SK, I'd be trying to hit PR on either side, and if tonight was double town, then I'd want to start trying to whittle away wolves. But then, I've never won as SK and maybe this is why lol.Serial killers need to keep the game balanced in order to win themselves and right now that means that they really need to be trying to kill mafia. I mean, sure, roleblocking them probably isn't a detriment to us but they certainly aren't our top targets to me when their kill should hopefully be at least semi-helpful to us.Disagree here. The fewer kills, the longer town stays alive, the longer there is to catch wolves. Even if we knew who the entire wolf team was, it'd be a 1 in 4 shot at stopping the kill with a RB.
Disagree here. The fewer kills, the longer town stays alive, the longer there is to catch wolves. Even if we knew who the entire wolf team was, it'd be a 1 in 4 shot at stopping the kill with a RB.
My thoughts on Esooa, purely from a gameplay perspective:
BP is 1 of the 2 most likely town roles, the odds that Esooa gets it are the same as anyone else. Esooa is trying to solve the game and find the wolves too. If Banger flips town, then Esooa has probably been wolf town leader for a day and we yeet her. If Banger flips wolf, it sits a lot better for Esooa.
Lol could be. Not saying I can't be wrong, but it keeps nagging at me like a sitcom wife.
Just went and looked at the table for roles, Roleblocker is a step away from Bulletproof. If Esooa is telling the truth, and we also are lucky enough to have an RB, target mark tonight, I still have a gut feeling he's SK.
This very much reads rude, like you're rubbing it in, even if that's not the intention. Just fyi.wow you are embarrassed as such a foolThat makes her game soooooo much worse then. Gonna try to stop tunneling as I want to actually have fun again so ##Vote Wallbanger. I'm also still very wary of mal as I have laid out before the stuff hit the fan tonight.
I mean, if no one else is jumping on the Esooa wagon, then it doesn't matter anyway.
Here is a thought. I've done the math, a game in this setup has a 41% chance of town bulletproof. That and Cop are the 2 highest odds. So if Esooa is Town BP, then the only way they die is by lynch, or by the SK using their 1 shot strongman. If Esooa is lying, unless Esooa is the SK, it's still a decent shot at getting the SK to waste an ability they might need later, the strongman. I say at the very least, give Esooa 1 more night, what do you think @lukess & @MLT?
Hydreigon has done basically nothing all d2, which is sus, but felt town d1. Currently town lean, but not by much.
(I'm just going down the list doing ISOs now of folks with low post count, the high post count folks are getting saved to the end because work lol)
Destiny feels like he is solving, but I know he's on when a lot of the US folk are asleep so not a lot of conversation. Town lean, but some SK equity as there is a "go with the flow" vibe.
MLT feels like MLT to me. But I don't see a lot of difference between her town and her wolf, except that I think as wolf she gets more defensive. I'm not seeing the big reaction here so I'd lean town, but maybe she's trying to reign it in. She said after her stream she'll post reads and I'll reval then, because I don't follow what she is seeing.
Lukess - not a lot of solving d1 but he said he just goes off vibes on d1, so if he's town, it's lower effort and/or us GDS folks still getting used to d1 mattering. Doesn't feel like a lot d2 either. If he's wolf, "going off vibes d1" is an ok way to not try to solve while not drawing attention. Also hasn't talked to Banger, just about, so that feels sus. I'd say could be wolf, but not a lock.what do you think of lukess and mlt?I can see what you're saying but disagree with some of it.
I was trying to get some conversation going because the day was stagnant, and so were the votes. I didn't want to push a wagon to 5 on the first day of the phase, it's a little too close for comfort. Agree that Banger is wolf, leaning that way about Syn but would need to ISO for more info. Being so quiet is sus this phase though.
And besides, we need to catch the SK and the wolves to win, and taking out the SK stops 2 deaths a night right away and keeps town alive to find wolves longer.
ISOing MLT next, I'm trying to balance this, work, and Pokemon Go community day on my phone so I'm a bit slow today lol
I'm with this. The votes are starting to spread out and we probably ought to focus now or soon.So let's hammer!
##Vote Wallbanger
I can see what you're saying but disagree with some of it.
I was trying to get some conversation going because the day was stagnant, and so were the votes. I didn't want to push a wagon to 5 on the first day of the phase, it's a little too close for comfort. Agree that Banger is wolf, leaning that way about Syn but would need to ISO for more info. Being so quiet is sus this phase though.
And besides, we need to catch the SK and the wolves to win, and taking out the SK stops 2 deaths a night right away and keeps town alive to find wolves longer.
I actually asked about this, it's plurality all game, but phase end on majority is only active on day 2 plus.Correct. Lynch when we hit majority.This game isn't like the last one when votes will only be locked at the end of day regardless of the number of votes right?Slow down I simply misspoke.
Go back and read eod to get the context because I never asked Mark "why not Esooa."
Mark made it clear where his vote was going to be eod. He believed that there was likely a wolf in the Esooa/Mark/SS/Marl/Kuro dust up and was voting one of them (at the time Kuro) or Carrots.
I asked why Carrots because I wasn't seeing it. Mark and Banger offered opinions why. I went carrots over banner at that point.
As for why my vote isn't on Banger now? I don't drop my vote that often tbh, it's more likely nearer to phase end that I will. Mostly because I never know when I'll have time to contribute and catch up. I don't like the idea of my vote sitting out there for others to manipulate for their numbers.
Yup I follow. The cadence of my post made it unclear that I was trying to say that.It's not about a GDS player here.I can see what you were thinking, but the n0 peek hasn't been a GDS thing, so those of us that came over didn't necessarily pick it up. I got what you were going for because I have tooled around in modbot, but what this actually tells me, if your theory holds, is that there is probably more GDS folk on the wolf team that wouldn't have picked it up.We are always speculating on why the mafia killed someone. I made one about why the mafia didn't kill someone.
I wasn't thinking about clearing myself.
I thought the connection was obvious, the mafia that has the slightest suspicion that someone is a cop should kill the cop with priority. A red peek jeopardizes the pack, a green one helps the village.
To be clear, n0 is always a randomly chosen villager by modbot.
Unless the one who fakes the cop chooses a member of the mafia as n0, the mafia does not know if such a cop exists in the setup.
I think Marluxion, as a villager, should know that someone who chooses him as n0 can be a cop, but he voted for me on day 1. This was the first signal for me that something was wrong with him.
His play toDay is weird and antitown, he demands that the other mason claims and his posts do not help solve the game
I'm also saying that GDS players not picking up the n0 thing and going after a cop also seems a viable theory because they wouldn't know.
Which would be in this game: mark, destiny, lukess, wallbanger, me, SS, Rev, MLT. I'd wager there are at least 2 wolves in that group.
##Vote markisprettyok
This is largely based on voting pattern and gut feeling, and I may or may not get a chance to do an ISO and quote posts before the end of the phase.
What feels suspicious to me is that mark votes like he really wants to be on the lynch/for someone to die. Being #5 on both Syn and carrots, and voting for Kuro when there were already 2 wagons at 3, it gives me a weird feeling. If I had to guess, I'd say he's SK and not wolf, but I'm not sure.
I can see what you were thinking, but the n0 peek hasn't been a GDS thing, so those of us that came over didn't necessarily pick it up. I got what you were going for because I have tooled around in modbot, but what this actually tells me, if your theory holds, is that there is probably more GDS folk on the wolf team that wouldn't have picked it up.We are always speculating on why the mafia killed someone. I made one about why the mafia didn't kill someone.
I wasn't thinking about clearing myself.
I thought the connection was obvious, the mafia that has the slightest suspicion that someone is a cop should kill the cop with priority. A red peek jeopardizes the pack, a green one helps the village.
To be clear, n0 is always a randomly chosen villager by modbot.
Unless the one who fakes the cop chooses a member of the mafia as n0, the mafia does not know if such a cop exists in the setup.
Nah I'm right with you on that one. Something felt off to me, and you described it really well.The bolded bothers me about his post. Whole lot of talking about what the mafia thinks, for someone who shouldn't know what the mafia thinks. Feels like he's trying really hard to clear himself. Then there's this leap to Marl being scum because of it, and I don't know if I'm just reading it wrong? I don't see the connection that marks Marl scum because scum didn't kill someone pretending to be a cop.
It's an option in the settings, but I don't think I've played in one.
Since you're here, what do you think about Kuro moving vote to Marl from Syn?
Also if the goal was cop cover, I'm pretty sure in this setup that cop doesn't get a n0 peek.
You got a full 24 hours left, phase doesn't end tonight.
@ignoramus any thoughts yet? And welcome to the game
This is your only vote that isn't for Esooa. Can you elaborate on why you're going for this vote?
@Imarevenant your vote for carrots broke the tie with Esooa. It's the only serious vote you placed during the phase (not counting the traditional Destiny vote). Can you think of anyone else you would have voted for at the time?
@markisprettyok you're probably working right now but whenever, how do you feel about your vote on MLT right now? Is there a wagon you'd prefer of the 2 currently going? (Wallbanger/Syn)
Nevermind, ninja'd. Another issue with phone posting.
Can you elaborate on this? I see no reason mafia couldn't NK the SK. Even if Esooa's BP claim was true, the SK would only get it as a 1-shot.
I feel like I'd be saying thay every game I play with Rev, so I'd say it is NAI, but I'd like to second it.
This is my reminder to myself to go back and see where Rev and Mark were before those votes. Leaning more town on Mark than Rev right now off the cuff.
If I were a wolf, I'd quote this post and hard claim the mason. But maybe that's just me liking to play a wild style.
And there is the claim. Not doubting it right now, especially without a counter claim.
Town lean- mark, esooa, ddlcfan, marl, destiny, kuro
Not sure- syn, SS, igno, lukess, MLT, hydre, Rev
Wolf lean- banger
Playing from my phone for most of this phase because of work, so if I miss something, just point it out, it's a lot harder to take notes from mobile.
I'm not gonna say I've never used this method before, but this bugs me a little too. Why narrow it down to 1 out of 5 instead of 5 (4 wolves + sk) out of 18? Or are there no major leans anywhere else?Between me, you, Marl, Esooa, and SS I believe at least one is scum from a probability standpoint. I know it isn't me, despite the issues I'm willing to wait on Esooa, and of the remaining three, you're the one that gives me the most feels.Did you explain why me and I didn't notice that?
Please link me the post
##Vote djthefunkchris
Without more to go on, this is where I'm leaning before the end of the night. The sleep vote bugs me, because I think DJ should know better, especially throwing out reads in the same post, and not voting for them. Voting sleep is worse than a null vote, because at least then sleep is farther from actually getting to plurality. I don't like any of the top wagons right now, and this has been nagging at me since I saw it.
Still about 300 posts behind and I'm at work until phase end so I'm thinking I'm not gonna catch up. My vibe from where I'm at is that Kuro feels town, undecided on Esooa, for the top 2 wagons. Next highest are Sleep and Wallbanger, WB only has 15 posts so might be worth an ISO, definitely not voting sleep.
If I don't vote, assume I didn't catch up. I think I'm getting into the meat of where it went off the rails today.
I thought I had an hour after work to finish catching up, but screwed up my time zones, phase ends and work ends at the same time, and it's an oddly busy night at the board game shop.
Okay so 10 pages happened since I was last here, I'm gonna work on catching up but while I do that, in case it takes a long time, does anyone want to give me the cliff notes on why they think the person they're voting for is someone we should eliminate.
The town hero thing reminds me of Destiny doing it. I can't remember exactly when, but I think it was the Vampire game. He definitely had a strong role that game though.
It was the last game Wayward ran, so 3 games ago? Maybe 4? Could very well be mark hasn't rolled into someone that can kill and gotten them yet. I know mine was in between and he wasn't able to kil in that one.
Interesting thought by Dj (that I forgot to quote, #161). Something worth watching.
For the record, I don't have any real leans yet, I've been a lack-of-sleep zombie today, so I just tried to bookmark some posts and hopefully I can sleep well tonight and be a more functional human and player tomorrow.
Can't scumslip if you don't post.[/meme]
Yeah, was Rayelek at GDS. Also have come out as trans since then. Might even change username after this game, was trying to unify usernames when I made the account over here, then drifted away from the Darr username.
So WWS knows I'm here and have seen the game. Helps me remember too. Last game, I made a check-in post, and then forgot about it until EP DM'd me the graveyard link on Discord. Fortunately, I died N1 so it wasn't like I disappeared for a long time.
Good evening. Let's catch some bad guys (in the morning, I'm going back to sleep).
Originally Posted by ignoramus
