Type: Posts; User: LanMisa
So, who won the vote?
/in for the inevitable wolf rand that completely drains my want to play the game for months to come and makes me question my every life decision.
Also queued post not working smh smh
Good game for town, maybe the first Mafia Sweep in the history of the Champs games, at least. Day 1 was already extremely rough for the wolves, and the track on SilverKeith N1 was brutal.
That being said I am not even sure if any of you wants a flavour epilogue as I did with the Chess game, but if people are interested I can reveal who randed which character flavour-wise at the very least. The flavour this time was unfortunately planned around a long game...
...Anyways, I will be awake in a few hours and hope to have gotten some feedback from you guys until then.
Hm, so if I get this straight, several current year Champs players (including advancers) and former Finalist Empoof need mentoring regarding their Mafia skills?
I regret not joining this; congratulations to all the participants though, especially to the winners!
This game might have the harshest SOD/EOD times for European players that I have seen in a mash so far. I think that I will abstain this time.
Okay, to get back on topic, maybe I should summarize my thoughts in a shorter, cleaner, more condensed fashion to make it clear what my personal opinion on this matter is.
1) MU is a place where everyone should feel welcome and nobody needs to fear that they are mistreated by others.
2) To achieve this, the users need to treat each other with respect and if some users refuse to do so, they should be moderated in some form of way.
3) Words that are always, in every way, and without a doubt, hurtful, should be banned entirely. Those are slurs and insults, phrases that marginalise people, foster hate and discrimination.
4) Words and phrazes that can hurt some people depending on context shall be treated with care, if people tell others not to use them towards them or in a certain way these demands should be met or the person refusing to comply should be moderated.
5) Nobody is expected to know all words that fall into category 4), and it is unfeasible to create a whole category for these or even outright ban them from usage. If one accidentally says something hurtful and then apologises after being informed about it I see no reason for any kind of moderation. On the other hand, using a category 3) word is much more problematic and should always be followed by some sort of moderation (if only a talk with a moderator)
6) Yet, if people deliberately continue using them after being told to stop then this is problematic behaviour. This is no longer acceptable behaviour and makes MU an unwelcoming place.
7) In general, it should be allowed that people talk about why certain words fall into the category 4) without being ridiculed, made fun of and ignored. This is bad faith behaviour and again against what MU wants to stand for.
8) Mods should take people seriously when instances of that kind are brought fourth.
I think that these are reasonable points, but if somebody disagrees with them I am open to discussion. And for Makaze, $%#! falls into the category 4) in my personal opinion, not category 3).
Also my apologies to Dya, I clearly misunderstood her post, it seems. My point stands though that this thread is not (or not in my eyes) about a word, but about behavioural patterns of part of the community. Technical implementations of profanity filters might help, but won't solve the issue that I see at the core of the problem.
1) Calls another person a slur knowing that they are a part of a marginalised group
2) Calls another person a word that is not commonly a slur but that said person explicitly asked the first person not to say towards them since it triggers them
To me, both are the same kind of $%#!ty behaviour with the intent of hurting somebody. And if you read my post, or if you reread it again, you will notice that I protest against this kind of behaviour - not for or against using a certain word. Obviously, if you personally think that 2) is less harmful than 1) then that is your opinion, but this is what I wanted to express, not what you think I wanted to express.
I think that I speak for most people who are genuinely concerned here that this is not a topic about censoring language or forbidding words. It's about how people treat other people.
To get back to my example: I used the word "trap" in a way that might hurt people. Not because the word itself is bad - if I had talked about an elaborate trap in a game, no feelings would have been hurt. But because I used it in a way that hurt transgender people, since "trap" is often seen as a negative word, claiming that these people try to "trap" straight people. A word that killers of trans people have used in the past to justify their actions.
Coming back to $%#!: This is a word which has strong connotations with a lot of people, because of the $%#! epidemic mostly. Thus it is a word which has strong meaning to many and to many people being called $%#! is an extremely sensitive topic. They obviously don't want to ban people from talking about the illness themselves, nor do they want to forbid sentences like "Tom $%#! Paula in building a sandcastle", and I am astonished that those are things actually brought up here in this context, since it shows a lot of ignorance to the pleas that were made here. What they want is that people are no longer allowed to wield those words as a weapon to hurt other people, intentionally or unintentionally (and looking at some posts that were made already, many of them the former way). And this is not limited to this one word, nor should it be - this is about reforming how people treat each other, not to play a game of "Whack-A-Mole" around trigger words.
The main issue in my eyes is: Why do people use words knowingly to hurt other people. Why don't they stop using these words once others tell them that, and why, they are hurt by these words? What shall be done with people who refuse not to hurt other people using words citing their amendmends to be assholes towards others? And how should mods react in this case?
As far as I remember, one part of the MU site rules states that this is supposed to be a community where everyone should feel at home and feel safe. I hereby humbly ask the moderators to fulfill their own promise. I joined two years ago, it's about time we actually got to it.
Long time ago, a person misread my first name, due to my shoddy handwriting, and addressed me as "Lan" instead of [redacted].
Some time later a different person misread my handwriting again and wrote down my last name as "Misa" instead of [redacted].
So LanMisa is basically my name in shoddy handwriting? Does this make it my real name or a fantasy one?
I remember, back in 2018, I used the word "trap" in a jokey context.
Not half a day later I got a message from Lute, explaining to me why the word was insensitive and who I would end up hurting if I kept using it, in an understanding and helpful, easy to understand way.
I immediately apologised and rewrote my original post to cut out the word and replace it with something inoffensive.
Not sure what I want to say with this, but this is how I wish those things would be handled by both mods and users.
I'm behind Ondine and Bear on this one.
I find it quite ironic that Amrock's guide was posted a few days before he ended up ravaging town in a Mash.
The guide is well written though, so props for that.
What makes a good man go moderator? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of moderatorness ?
Confirming providing flavour for Game 3.
Which will ironically be about Persona 3.
And contain Silverkeith who was top three in Champs two years ago.
He's also a player with Persona themed Avatars
Coincidence? I don't think so.
Also unpopular opinion, but a game going to Final 8 (with two mechanically cleared town players at that!) is balanced, change my mind.
Big shoutout to all the hosts this year, you are the best. ILY all and thank you for this wild experience of a game.
My eyes are still hurting like crazy, I need a shot. List?
My eyes are starting to go blurry, I will take a step back to be back for ITAs. Sorry, but I can barely read right now.
Hm, I don't believe in Five's case, I don't read the mechanics the same way he does.
At the same time he seems to be super charged with this read. I don't feel like this is a wolfy push on Amrock at all but real paranoia.
I think that both are town. Thoughts?