Im really going to hate it if vecna flips townie
Legacy read: DO VOTE OFF PORSCHA
READ MY ISO
DO NOT VOTE OFF PORSCHA
Type: Posts; User: MK007
Im really going to hate it if vecna flips townie
Legacy read: DO VOTE OFF PORSCHA
READ MY ISO
DO NOT VOTE OFF PORSCHA
yeah buddy you're tunneled.
Im still very ok with the vecna vote. I don't think rewarding the self vote ATE with removing pressure is good as I stated earlier. All they've done is gambit and rewarding a self vote gambit is just bad
I want to comment on the bluekang vote but Im not going to. I'll stay on my #1 gutread for now. Lily is prepping way too hard for tomorrow in a way that feels TMI to me. I don't like it.
because esooa gets killed by wolves n1 half the time
waste
Ugh let me get out of bed and get on my computer
@lilypetal explain how I've been opportunistic when I've tried to steer votes off my "probably town but bad" reads and onto my highest scumread!?!?!?
I might be more ok with moving to lily here at EOD holy ****
I should stick to my gut but my paranoia theory could be right...
I look atrocious for sticking to my read the AV isn't doing anything to help town and is either neg util or wolf?
Like at least mac has some solve attempts that make sense.
@lilypetal this seems like a TMI preshade that you want to use tomorrow because a W! Lily world knows AV is town???? Am I being paranoid about this @Esooa @Hallia @ZanderisTown @CrimsonFox
@Hallia I'm on mobile so reading back is hard for me can you resummarize the lily scumread for me?
I'm so sorry
I am VERY OK with a cfd onto vecna and apparently so are they. Let's not reward this gambit of theirs by removing pressure due to an ATE self vote please.
Mac wagon seems impure
Like I said I'd rather see a non RVS stage and see how they interact with info here. They've at least tried to do some low effort solving that doesn't seem as bad faith to my gut as the AV posts. I could just be tunneled now though idk.
Crimsonfox reads towny in the limited posts so far here at EOD but maybe I'm just saying that because they agree with me
@ZanderisTown
What do you think the odds are that mac is actually just Wolf lolcatting?
@Rajidae all I can tell you is to read my iso for the last couple pages I think I've been clear on my thoughts but please prod me for specifics if you are confused I know clear communication can be a weakness for me
@ZanderisTown
I still want to see vecta as the vote.
At the time it looked like lily mac or porscha. I was prepared to vote lily or mac over porscha but not feel great about either vote for reasons discussed in my iso (posting on mobile rn).
I wish mac was easier to read here but I still lean town because it's just bad as a wolf gambit. Ik some people's playermeta reads see this as scum mac but I'd rather see how he plays once we get some info and out of rvs first.
I'm glad raji is consistent
They didn't like my SOD and they dislike my EOD fire
Porscha reads as tilted fearful and teamless. IF THEY ARE SCUM WE NEED TP LOOK AT INACTIVES.
Sett posts are good
He should vote tho
Hallia on lily is fine
Raji is a bit sus to me but maybe I'm colored by OMGUS
Porscha is quite literally self pressure, like I said 5 hours ago it's obv fear that I don't think a W! Shows early. Maybe I'm wrong and they are just desperate wolf but I feel like a wolf chat would've talked some sense into them. In a W! Porscha world I say we need to look at the inactives. REMEMBER THIS POST IF I DIE.
Vecna just wants chaos and I can't judge the vote well but wouldn't want to vote with them.
Porscha wagon seems sorta dead.
Mac wagon is sorta dying but I like the 2 still parked there...
Bluekang wagon I will not interact with for prior stated reasons.
I don't think W! Esooa takes the effort to clarify my posts (I'm notoriously bad at clearly communicating my thoughts)... probs town based off posts, probs town based off gut, orobs town based on math. Thus feels better gutwise to me than W esooa did a long time in the past I'm just gonna stay with my townread
Esooa may be trying to pocket me and they're incredibly hard to read. Is the lazy option to roll the dice on 80% odds esooa town best? I guess I'll find out but I'll take that 80% straight numbers odds for Day 1 RVS at least.
I will let you guys read bluekang and interact with them. I should honestly probably sub myself out rather than place myself in a situation where I can interact with them. However I don't want to let them control my life and I want to enjoy this game. You can read it as distancing if you want but I'm going to try my best to not interact with him unless it's extremely dire with the context being last time we played we both flamed each other and both got punished. Him parking a vote on me and leaving seems like bad faith bait to me and for this reason I'm going to limit my interactions with his posts and with attempting to read them.
Mac you aren't my ideal vote. You are the most likely wagon to counter porscha who I slight townread and think the wagon behind is bad. A good amt of my town core is currently parked there as well.
@Esooa can you explain the bluekang vote. I initially read them as slightly towny despite his vote park until it got followed up on but maybe I'm OMGUSing.
@Macdougall not taking the bait
@Esooa
I think lilypetal fits onto a scumteam, however I don't like the reasoning some people have for it and it feels like it's easily a 3V 1W vote on a V atp
Macs posts now that he's started playing are mostly null to me but a slight improvement. I feel comfortable voting with the group there ATP though.
AV is still my #1 scumread and I believe should be the vote because it is negative utility at best and open wolfong at worst . I know I'm not supposed to say negative util but I don't know what else to call the constant wolf chat referenced and them desperately trying to implicate/distance in the event of a future W! Flip for them. Essentially I see it is openwolfing where they will disrupt votes as much as they can while alove and be hard to read once flipped, but on the off chance they ARE town all they've done is make themselves harder to read and made d1 discussion more difficult for town in my eyes.
However if AV emerges as a valid wagon I'm staying parked
Not sleeping well
Caught up on thread
Can we have a wagon besides Mac or Porscha please that actually has people I think are towny on the wagon pls and thank you?
Agree with hallias early post that these are obv bad d1 votes.
Rajis shade on me is bad but towny imo and the justification for trying to pressure me being bluekangs voting me isn't very good when to my eyes bluekang is voting me for reasons not related to this game. Not going to discuss it further like I said earlier I'm not taking that bait.
Lilypetal is an *ok* vote and better in my book than Mac or porscha but I hate the wagon currently on it. The wagon on mac feels very towny but wrong. I'm debating whether to trust Esooa and vote out mac who's posts have gotten WORSE or not. Feels like a lot of people are trying to go path of least resistance on porscha and the vote is bad for so so so many reason to my eyes. With my suspicions of wolf teams and the pr I'm about 70% sure I've found its clear to me that I do need to vote decisively before end of day and voting vecta isn't that.
I'll be placing a vote on lilypetal or Mac before EOD. I'm currently leaning towards trusting esooa and voting mac.
Thats like too obviously bad though like idk maybe I'm wrongI agree Porscha asking to be fed engagement instead of seeking it out is wolfy.I don't see fear. I see inability to fit in as a villager. Specifically when she asks people to quote things to her so she can react just feels...wolfytell me what makes you think its a probably when we've barely left RVS and their play so far has seemed to put them under a microscope against their intent already. I feel like a !W would've acted waaaay more chill about the whole thing and vibed while I'm reading a bit of fear tone wise when I read porscha posts in context that I don't think a !W player would reveal so early
I play with Porscha like every game. I'm not feeling it yet
bad
@Hallia I trust you
please pressure some non troll posts out of vecta
Thanks in advance!
when I finish my rice and eggs Im going to sleep
posting going down because eating
I'm very happy leaving my vote here
Thunderdome! Thunderdome! Thunderdome!
I did read the thread but I did just get off shift so there's a chance I missed them because 95% of your posts were... not game related and so I kinda skimmed your posts!Maybe if you actually read tye thread you'd see they're old scumreadsDo you think it's wolf indicative for mk to assume their pressure made you post scumreadsI don't like how you're pretending these reads were inspired by pressure, as opposed to what they really are: me restating my earlier reads from before tye pressure existed.
But keep pretending to be engaging in good faith, it's good distancing for us.
Yeah this is a silly gambit and only encourages me to keep my vote on you LOLI don't like how you're pretending these reads were inspired by pressure, as opposed to what they really are: me restating my earlier reads from before tye pressure existed.I don't like how you're only just now trying to scumhunt lol but I do like the effort. Any solving is good solving even if its brought about by pressure!I did ISO you. You didn't townread her immediately, but you townread her early (and literally said as much the last time I brought this up", and then later you're interrogating someone for townreading her.
But keep pretending to be engaging in good faith, it's good distancing for us.
I don't like how you're only just now trying to scumhunt lol but I do like the effort. Any solving is good solving even if its brought about by pressure!I did ISO you. You didn't townread her immediately, but you townread her early (and literally said as much the last time I brought this up", and then later you're interrogating someone for townreading her.Have you read the whole game? Have you read my iso at least?Your read change on esooa feels weird to me. Could he legit but Gut says it's an wolf wanting to have early game reads then switching it up once they have a proper plan of attack.
Hallia had a post that's like "boy the two hyperposters sure are really towny" that gave me a pocketing vibe. Zander disagrees and knows Hallia better than me, but guts says what it says
I've been pretty explicit about my esooa read all game.
Yo mommaWut the $%#! is this?!??!? What is not lock clear about me?!?!!?!What do you find towny about esooa/pizza/zander?
Tone/Style/general vibes/past historyWhat do you find towny about esooa/pizza/zander?
they are admittedly weaker reads but they all stuck out to me reading pages 8-18 as "yeah this seems slightly townlean to me rather than rand"
I like this list and I agree with all the townreads and even begrudgingly admit that bluekang reads townie so far. I don't even want to post this but solving > all.
Let me clarify, I've never interacted with Por before tmk so this was a somewhat unbiased assessment that isn't colored by past history. I HAVE noticed people who have interacted with them in the past disagree based on the playermeta read but I think those can be way overstated on D1 so I'm not giving much value to those, but those others in the thread that wolfread por DO have more interaction and history with por than I do.
ML?
@Esooa thoughts on vecta
If I die for this post I don't care. I'd rather bulletsponge for a PR anyways. My d1 reads arent that good but I want to keep them somewhat close to the vest right now.I went in blind.Oh lol I was so confused thinking you were saying I didn't read a scum read of yours...
I read your post prior. It's not very compelling. I fear it's honestly the opposite like I pointed out earlier. It seems you went in wanting her to be town. Your conclusion doesn't match your analysis of the posts very closely.
I'm more interested in knowing who you think is a wolf, though. Lemme know when you figure that out
I have three wolf reads at the moment.
A possible pair which I'll stay silent on for now and the other where my vote is parked which is admittedly a bit weaker.
I also think I've found a PR. I won't state who for obvious reasons.
I went in blind.Oh lol I was so confused thinking you were saying I didn't read a scum read of yours...
I read your post prior. It's not very compelling. I fear it's honestly the opposite like I pointed out earlier. It seems you went in wanting her to be town. Your conclusion doesn't match your analysis of the posts very closely.
I'm more interested in knowing who you think is a wolf, though. Lemme know when you figure that out
I have three wolf reads at the moment.
A possible pair which I'll stay silent on for now and the other where my vote is parked which is admittedly a bit weaker.
I also think I've found a PR. I won't state who for obvious reasons.
Not a ton screaming wolf to me from anyone from pages 8-18 but vecna seems too fillery to me and I'd rather vote that than what looks like a nervous townie (porscha) that's simply playing in a non advantageous way to a wolf team if they were actually a wolf
OK catchup done
I like where im parked on vecna right now.
Originally Posted by lilypetal