Mostly blatantly lying about mech as town and taking silly gambits that can backfire
Type: Posts; User: Shad
ISOing Mantis's eod, if Relm is a wolf I think she's almost always town here. Outside of the improbable world of exactly orange/mantis/relm/nimbus team she would have burnt every bridge to vote a villager on trivial grounds that she could have easily avoided.
If Relm is a villager then the sequence itself is fairly null. Nimbus wasn't a major contender yet and the lynch was still trending Orange. There'd be some incentive to vote elsewhere regardless of Orange's alignment.
I'm town reading Orange independently but that's not really relevant.
Like I wouldn't say I was vocally advocating for her lynch all day long but I definitely ensured the wagon stayed a thing.
Why as a wolf would I want to kill a partner to "validate" my earlier push there? Bussing is a pretty straight forward if stupid gambit.
Like I know we don't have a large number of games together but I feel like you me and Wes spent half of Mafia Mafia in a violent erotic three way tango and the central topic of all of it is I don't $#@!ing bus.
And I can see town paranoia going "what if Shad chucked all of his beliefs on how to win a scum rand to the wind on a one-time gambit for champs" but it's pretty far-reaching tinfoil and you're projecting like you're already sold.
If you're a villager don't be a $#@!ing clown and how is this not even a point of hesitation for you
As in you are aware that if Relm is scum I spent most of d1 dunking on wolves.
That does not jive with the read.
I don't intervene when half the field is calling my partner's behavior villagery to remind them that she is a wolf.
Do I flip on dead weight when I think their death is inevitable, try to predict it far enough in advance to look good, and brag about how I don't bus afterwards? Sure. I'm not stupid. That is not how this played out with Nimbus and especially with Relm if she's w too.
I was mainly thinking if Nimbus is never going to do jack to clear himself if he is a villager and Relm at least put out content and had potential to do so again if wrong.
Also I'm a big pussy and it's always easier to lynch the non-entity hey
But it's kind of irrelevant considering he flipped scum
It's still a play I make as a wolf never
Come to think of it if I am a wolf when do I ever not shoot one of SS or Yog last night lol
That shot was not called by a MU vet.
How To Not Be A $#@!ing Terrible Wolf 101, by Shad
If you are able to fool the village with your wim, logic, and tone, you will fool them regardless of whether you are pushing your partners or villagers.
If you are not able to fool the village with your wim, logic, and tone, you will look like trash regardless of whether you are lynching your partners or villagers.
Unforced bussing is effective exclusively in a scenario where you have already fooled the village and need that last bit of cred to carry you home.
And even then it's probably bad because some late game willager is just going to chuck a dart at the board at lylo.
Yeah sure ##Vote relm
I actually have no substantive opinion on prismo whatsoever and pretty much glossed over all of his posts
Should probably iso that tonight
lol chances of me doing that
Can't say I've seen him wolf outside of mashes but he feels well on his v game to me.
Also autocorrect just changed something to "ur" like that's actually a word now. I despise humanity
I mean on the surface level it's just a blatantly contradictory statement so it stands out
I guess what rubs me about it is that it feels kind of self-consciousy about not wanting to pull a blatant loudmouth's attention while still calling him out. "Don't think I'm sussing you or anything here but you might be a wolf."
But I think her play style moving forward has been kind of abrasive? so maybe that's not a thing.
ok M2H is probably a villager
I'll finish reading it but the collective flows together a lot more pure than the handful of posts that were bugging me in isolation.
Still curious to see what lead her to flipping on Nimbus.
dat toan tho
I have no idea why I had it in my head that she voted Nimbus at EoD.
I thought she had called Nimbus out for roughly the same thing I called him out for and that was bugging the crap out of me coupled with the bussing accusation, but I can't find the post anywhere so it might have been RE that said it.
Eh I'm going to read Prismo.
Prismo's ISO is great I like this guy, hope he sticks around.
Decent chance he's a wolf but hey that happens.
I like his push on RE and think SS's susses on him have been kind of garbage to be honest but he also like
Spent the entirety of D1 talking about how it would be dumb to lynch Yog like that was ever a remotely viable option.
I think it's kind of weak that he ultimately gets defensive with SS instead of questioning his alignment further, because he doesn't strike me as someone who would hesitate to break stride from the consensus as a villager. He starts rebutting SS like he thinks he's a wolf and just kind of drops the push for AtE, when I feel like if he was suspicious from the outset there's no indication that SS did anything to alleviate that concern.
Stems in part from I think his RE push was the best thing he's posted in this game and I don't think there's a world where he was ever "testing the waters" irt mislynching Batman even if he is a wolf. It read like blatant $#@!posting to me. If I'm reading piecemeal vanity search results and that's my SS content to go on I'd be fairly sketched out I think and he basically gets defensive about it.
This post is also villagery and you're probably a villager.
I will probably twitch and call you a potential deep wolf a half dozen more times and I can live with that.
For what it's worth this is the first time I "ISO'd" you in the sense of reading > half your posts attentively. I skimmed a few at some point.
I liked his push because it's where I expect a village brain to be looking. I know I'm a villager, I don't feel I've done squat that's AI, this person tried to swing the wolf wagon onto me. This is where I'm going to look first.
OMGUS = wolfy is a prevalent misconception in Mafia. People don't like being suspected and it tilts their efforts to observe objectively. Villagers know their alignment and can glean more from a direct scrum than passive observance. Wolves fake the same or get flustered at pressure too. ("Attempt to discredit you" is kind of meaningless in itself because I have to presuppose he's a wolf for it to be wolfy.)
I think if he is a wolf he pushed you specifically there to look villagery, not to piss on your cheerios for being one of a dozen people willing to lynch him.
What actually did bother me was the lack of a persistant "OMGUS" component in his exchange with SS, because I think it would be a natural thing for a villager who's demonstrated that tendency to do vs wolves are self-conscious about not ruffling too many feathers at once.
Two and a half hours without a game-related thought after reading the entire thread in 15 minutes D1 is ... something.
Relm if you plan to post more today please respond as you go with quotes.
It's impossible to even tell what you're responding to in that omegawall without digging through the game to research every comment.
Fwiw nothing like that struck me in the moment reading Prismo's iso.
As in I think he's openly theatrical but nothing stood out to me as w/w in it.
I vaguely remember you having a tendency to scum read me in mashes and my $#@!post rate there is like double this.
Because the majority of scum rands I've had outside of mashes have consisted of talking to myself.
For some reason it bothered me that that post snipped the larger quote chain lol
Is it bad if I don't want to dig through Capage's giant pink walls knowing he's almost always flipping in the next 24 hours