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  1. Postgame#3666

    Thread: Alpacas Mentor Fun Game!

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    Completed LOL! I mean you're right but you don't gotta...

    Quote Originally Posted by ladd (#3664)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae (#3663)
    but I think my days of playing werewolf are done.


    it's not everyday you get to post the cycle to the creator
    LOL!

    I mean you're right but you don't gotta point it out right away
  2. Postgame#3665

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    Completed There were nothing but awesome villagers in the...

    There were nothing but awesome villagers in the game that I didn't mention and I'm sorry. I'm just absolutely drained. Cuth specifically having every reason to vote me and coming up with the correct one instead while allowing me to explore the option of him being a wolf and letting me get there on my own was a huge part of me being able to put it together at the end. But everyone did a wonderful job and I can comfortably call this one the highest level game I've ever played (sorry WC game, you've been replaced).
  3. Postgame#3663

    Thread: Alpacas Mentor Fun Game!

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    Completed I want to first say that this was the most...

    I want to first say that this was the most difficult game I've ever played. No mechanics to help, no weak links to remove easily, and no players that are obvious villagers due to having poor wolf games. Everyone brought it hard and my head was all over the place at various points. I would like to apologize to gh and beck for how I handled them but especially Beck who I flat out told I'd rather maj him than let him speak more. That was bad but I hope you two take some minor solace in the fact that it was mainly an unwillingness to disappoint you further that fueled me to spend my entire Sunday pouring through everything.

    I hope the mentees all found something that helped them for future games. The point of these is to try and see things from the perspective of others and hopefully getting to see the process behind the scenes helped. I especially hope Empoof came out of this with a better understanding of the things he told me he thinks he needs help with.

    Knights, I want you to know that I have never in my life played a game where a wolf was that much inside my head. I've had games where people have fooled me, had games where I thought someone didn't have that in their wolf game, and games where I was turned around for bad reasons. Never like this. Every time I read a case by someone or a weird comment and thought something, I'd scroll down and see you make the same comment. It was a complete and total mind$%#! reading your iso today and seeing comment after comment than I thought myself. I do not want to village against you in a serious game ever again and I hope you take that as something positive rather than negative.

    I don't mean to leave chemist out because that was a difficult decision for me today as well and chemist played great. There were so many interesting thoughts that really looked like you were attempting to solve alignments and it truly was significantly different than the wolf game I read and very similar to the villager one.

    I appreciate the kind words in post because I was uh, not as kind to myself during the game behind the scenes. I truly enjoy posting here because of all of you being so friendly and easy to get along with and I think I'll continue to do so in various threads, but I think my days of playing werewolf are done. Not a bad way to go out.

  4. Postgame#3659

    Thread: Alpacas Mentor Fun Game!

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    Completed https://i.imgur.com/kQlVDHl.png

    Quote Originally Posted by Beck (#3654)
    GGs Wolves

    GGs Village

    Sunbae unanimously voted GOAT — we were all horribly wrong at one point or another. What matters is all of the effort you put in at the end. That’s normally more than anyone can ask for out you turned it up to an 11 AND won the game. Much respect, but absolutely no surprise.

    Thanks for the invitation and for hosting, Ara.
  5. Day 5#3627

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    Completed I ended up rereading the thread, knights iso, and...

    I ended up rereading the thread, knights iso, and various interactions. I don't think there's much use waiting around anymore because I'm pretty a-ok with my vote. I understand it might be wrong and if so I'm sorry.

    I'm not going to make a big whole post about all the reasons. I assume everyone will understand that I tried my best.

    I'm going to make my vote, see the answer, and leave. i think the only person that played bad is me.

    thank you for the game

    ##Vote Chemist1422
  6. Day 5#3619

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    Completed Thats not to say I wont be doing just as much...

    Thats not to say I wont be doing just as much work as I did yesterday, it's just that im not gonna flood the thread with it because showing my process no longer matters.
  7. Day 5#3618

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    Completed So here's the deal. I'm just not going to...

    So here's the deal.

    I'm just not going to vote anytime soon, sorry. I'm much less confident than I let on once you told me you were gonna vote and I just wanted to ensure that one of the wolves was getting voted. I am very much leaning manti but it's nowhere close to be confident enough to vote early. I understand why you did but yeah.

    Last game day I spent the entire day going through the thread and showing everything I was doing because it was important to show I was a villager. Today I don't have to do that so I won't.

    In fact, I doubt I say another word in the thread until I'm almost ready to vote. I think the answer is in the past and anything said today is just wifom. Feel free both of you to point out what you think proves the answer, and ill be reading it, but ill be weighing the past more.

    Fair warning, im about to head out for a handful of hours so any vote wont be happening until tonight so dont bother refreshing or getting antsy.
  8. Day 5#3617

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    Completed this is me saying the game isnt over

    this is me saying the game isnt over
  9. Day 5#3614

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    Completed Ah, nah I did spend time trying to get Knights to...

    Ah, nah I did spend time trying to get Knights to vote manti of course but that was because I wanted Knights to vote not me since i thought I was the only person who could get voted out over him. The discussion of you to knights was getting him to officially mark you as cleared so he was backed into voting manti
  10. Day 5#3612

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    Completed Essentially, at one point yesterday i was at like...

    Essentially, at one point yesterday i was at like 150 posts, knights was at 100 and was almost double 3rd place. I had the ability to direct that conversation any way I wanted to and I kept directing it to suspicion on Knights rather than Cuth. At the same time, this was clearly not for bussing credit because I then talked Knights into voting manti and pretty much ending his game instead of voting him first going for "credit" or anything.
  11. Day 5#3611

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    Completed Sure You had expressed doubt on cuth on...

    Sure

    You had expressed doubt on cuth on multiple occasions and were clearing me. I had suspected Cuth the day before. If I were a wolf there and me/knights were 400 posting controlling the thread, I would keep circling back to why we should vote Cuth. I'd bring up GH's case and hammer that home repeatedly. Instead, every time I mentioned GH's case I also made sure to comment on Vanity's cuth read + cuth's eod3 making me think it couldn't be him.

    Contrast that with how I kept circling back on Knights by bringing up that his eod3 was the wolfiest thing in the thread. Instead of trying to get you to vote Cuth, I asked you about Knight's eod and what you thought of it. These things would be reversed if I were a wolf with knights (I'd be finding reasons to call him a villager over anything wolfy and then push cuth to you instead of finding reasons to call cuth a villager and then push Knights to you).
  12. Day 5#3609

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    Completed sounds good just @ me if you vote so i can...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#3607)
    I’m doing morning stuff rn so I’ll be around in like a half hour
    sounds good

    just @ me if you vote so i can announce that the game isnt over
  13. Day 5#3608

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    Completed im up this early because i have a handful of...

    im up this early because i have a handful of things to do irl so in about 15 minutes ill be out for a while. ill spend the next few minutes just recapping my day yesterday to hopefully ease the villagers mind here but i think it should be obvious im a villager here:

    1. I don't think if me/knights are the wolf team in that situation (one where we've been running over the thread for 3 game days) I post 250 times, he posts 180 times, and it ends with me capping him. I think in the case that we're wolves together we tag team someone into voting someone else because we would have been controlling the thread.

    2. I capped Knights after he spend a significant portion of his day convinced I was going to vote him. The overnight portion between real life days saw him even say it was inevitable that I was going to vote him.

    3. I played yesterday from the standpoint of "not only do I have to get this right, I have to make sure people don't kill me instead". I spent the first half of the game day working through everything and locking in my desire to vote for knights. If I were a wolf with him, this would have been leading up to a vote for some theater. Instead, I was aware of Cuth's desire to vote me throughout the game and was afraid that if I voted Knights that he could end up voting for me. So instead - rather than vote Knights myself - I walked him through various possibilities until he had eliminated enough pairs to be backed into "manti is a wolf with whichever else it is" (because he thought you were clear for the post about me and thought me/cuth couldnt be w/w). Then he was forced to vote manti and I was certain he would die in that one (I wanted to kill him and knew cuth would too).

    4. I was spending my time at the very end trying to find ways to get lock cleared to make a final 3 easier because I was pretty sure I wasn't dying given the situation (personally i thought you were but whatever). By trying to get the hammer I was trying to ensure that everyone knew I was clear. I asked you specifically because you had me clear and I thought it was easy, but once you showed hesitation I just shrugged and capped knights. I think this shows my mentality was pure rather than the entire day being fake.

    5. I reiterate that I - who had come into the day feeling like I was potentially going to get voted for the loss - came in and posted 250+ times, read through everything, was entirely transparent about what I was reading, repeatedly said knight's end of day on the beck kill was the wolfiest thing in the thread, did my due diligence with everyone, constantly checked out every angle, decided i was going to kill knights, then talked him into voting someone else instead of me. I think that I did everything I possibly could to make it obvious that I was a villager.
  14. Day 5#3606

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    Completed ima go wake up a little bit and shake the cobwebs...

    ima go wake up a little bit and shake the cobwebs off, ill be back in here in like 15ish
  15. Day 5#3605

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    Completed im just trying to think of any way you dont give...

    im just trying to think of any way you dont give me the hammer with the chance of me voting manti if youre knights partner and pretty sure the answers no


    i also thiiiiink knights voting manti and then spending his time casing cuth is like, super weird if manti is a villager


    so yeah go ahead. might take me longer to vote than it should take you, but should get there pretty quickly. plus, i think its pretty obvious after i spent 100 posts getting knights to the point where he was sure i was voting him and then another 50+ convincing him to vote manti and then capping him that im never, ever the partner so you voting manti first seems easy
  16. Day 5#3604

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    Completed Chemist1422 im here and half asleep

    @Chemist1422 im here and half asleep
  17. Day 4#3596

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    Completed theknightsofneeee

    ##Vote theknightsofneeee
  18. Day 4#3593

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    Completed all you have to say is "no i dont feel...

    all you have to say is "no i dont feel comfortable with that" and my next post will be a knights vote
  19. Day 4#3591

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    Completed and again, if you decide that you dont want to do...

    and again, if you decide that you dont want to do that let me know and ill just vote now
  20. Day 4#3590

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    Completed the only wolf i can mechanically be with knights...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#3587)
    oh boy i'm talking myself into finding reasons to be concerned about sunbae now

    is it worth thinking about that he's only voted flipped villagers so far
    the only wolf i can mechanically be with knights now
    thats it

    however, ive spent 100 posts going at knights to the point knights thought it was a foregone conclusion i was going to vote him and then another 50 convincing him to vote manti. Im just never a wolf with him
  21. Day 4#3589

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    Completed Cuth, I think you take a step back for a...

    Cuth,

    I think you take a step back for a second and recognize that im killing knights either next or with the hammer. With the hammer i get to be clear which is important because youve been pretty adamant you think its me/knights so i can die tomorrow in that world but if I can get clear then I can't.

    It's literally a freeroll for chemist who has me as clear
  22. Day 4#3581

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    Completed gotcha

    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#3578)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae (#3573)
    chemist, from your pov i should be lock clear

    its not me/cuth
    its not me/manti now

    and i dont think it can be be/knights given im the whole reason he voted manti in the first place

    all of this plus your initial read of me being a clear villager means that i should be clear

    if so, can i get you to vote manti so i can announce that im not a wolf to the world and we can cut off that potential avenue for f3?
    this is a "yes but i'm going to hesitate on this and pretend i'm thinking about it"

    give me like

    10-15
    gotcha
  23. Day 4#3579

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    Completed chem if youre not comfortable with that its fine...

    chem if youre not comfortable with that its fine and ill vote next but i think it maximizes win equity to have me be clear heading to a final 3
  24. Day 4#3577

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    Completed yeah its either cuth/manti or knights is a wolf

    yeah its either cuth/manti or knights is a wolf
  25. Day 4#3573

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    Completed chemist, from your pov i should be lock clear ...

    chemist, from your pov i should be lock clear

    its not me/cuth
    its not me/manti now

    and i dont think it can be be/knights given im the whole reason he voted manti in the first place

    all of this plus your initial read of me being a clear villager means that i should be clear

    if so, can i get you to vote manti so i can announce that im not a wolf to the world and we can cut off that potential avenue for f3?
  26. Day 4#3570

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    Completed cool

  27. Day 4#3569

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    Completed making the note that its not me/manti

    making the note that its not me/manti
  28. Day 4#3547

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    Completed i think im going to say nothing over the next...

    i think im going to say nothing over the next 15-20 minutes and just read along
  29. Day 4#3546

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    Completed :popcorn:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mantichora (#3544)
    Alright boys its time for the most obnoxious f5 performance of all time

    Strap in, because I'm just getting started.
  30. Day 4#3545

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    Completed actually the more i think about it the more i...

    actually the more i think about it the more i think this has w/w potential after being boxed out of chemist/cuth/me votes

    the only main issue with this one is why box out of a chemist vote in that world but whatever. lets see how it progresses
  31. Day 4#3540

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    Completed knights: i agree with cuth that the worlds dont...

    knights: i agree with cuth that the worlds dont really matter from your pov. your game is essentially over solving wise at this point: you found a vote that didnt end the game and now you just need to explain to everyone in excruciating detail why they are a wolf and you are not
  32. Day 4#3537

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    Completed i really dont think you want chemist to be a...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthalion (#3521)
    Quote Originally Posted by Chemist1422 (#3520)
    im really really tempted to be an idiot and cross cuth here

    even though i know that's not at all productive in any way

    ...actually i'm glad i spent time to think about that that was a horrible idea what
    i think

    this post circled all the way around to being villagery
    i really dont think you want chemist to be a villager here
  33. Day 4#3535

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    Completed would love it

    Quote Originally Posted by Mantichora (#3533)
    I'll prob just write through all the thoughts that I've had that I remember throughout the game dl far

    Could be fun
    would love it
  34. Day 4#3534

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    Completed My initial take is that knights/manti is...

    My initial take is that knights/manti is extremely unlikely given the rather limp post vote reaction? Like if this is coordinated you just have one bury the other right?
  35. Day 4#3532

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    Completed This leaves what? knights/cuth knights/chem ...

    This leaves what?

    knights/cuth
    knights/chem
    manti/cuth
    manti/chem
    knights/manti


    The worlds I've been most suspicious of this game day were manti/knights, knights/cuth, and manti/chem
  36. Day 4#3527

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    Completed yeah, thinking about things cuth

    yeah, thinking about things cuth
  37. Day 4#3511

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    Completed me/cuth me/mist cuth/mist are dead worlds...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cuthalion (#3508)
    great

    so what have we learned

    it's not sunbae/me?!

    not me/mist not sunbae/mist
    me/cuth
    me/mist
    cuth/mist


    are dead worlds yeah
  38. Day 4#3507

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    Completed you should have me as a lock village then because...

    Quote Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee (#3505)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae (#3503)
    i spent a lot of effort getting knights to vote manti there lol

    my entire day this game day was to try and coax him into doing it

    so glad to hear it was correct
    Yeah I felt that kind of, figured that’s why you wanted me to vote first lol
    you should have me as a lock village then because if im trying to coax you onto someone its not my wolf teammate
  39. Day 4#3504

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    Completed er not game day, real life day

    er not game day, real life day
  40. Day 4#3503

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    Completed i spent a lot of effort getting knights to vote...

    i spent a lot of effort getting knights to vote manti there lol

    my entire day this game day was to try and coax him into doing it

    so glad to hear it was correct
  41. Day 4#3500

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    Completed awesome

  42. Day 4#3498

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    Completed noted

  43. Day 4#3468

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    Completed knights: who are the wolves cuth: who are the...

    knights: who are the wolves

    cuth: who are the wolves

    we've all done a good job of analyzing everything at this point but its time to take our stands
  44. Day 4#3467

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    Completed i mean by all means go first if youd like ill...

    i mean by all means go first if youd like
    ill never turn down the opportunity to get more info before voting lol
  45. Day 4#3466

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    Completed sounds good

    sounds good
  46. Day 4#3463

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    Completed Because I was thinking of trying to get the...

    Quote Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee (#3460)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae (#3456)
    i think im ready to vote but ill let manti finish the isos and say his piece

    I thought you were gonna try to get me to vote first? Why did that change?
    Because I was thinking of trying to get the hammer so i can be clear and killed in the night if i got it right (plus get to have maximum info before voting) but both manti and cuth have made it clear they want the hammer so if i cant be last id rather be first
  47. Day 4#3456

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    Completed i think im ready to vote but ill let manti finish...

    i think im ready to vote but ill let manti finish the isos and say his piece
  48. Day 4#3454

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    Completed alright im back ive decided to officially...

    alright im back

    ive decided to officially ignore vanitys final reads from my analysis for two main reasons:

    Number 1: The wolf team has shown itself willing to kill people with incorrect reads already and instead just off whoever is the most widely village read person. On night 2 they bopd bop despite bop screaming about beck as well because bop was the most widely read villager. So since vanity was the most widely read villager, that tracks with the previous kills.


    Number 2: who else would be the kill? cnt kill me, cant kill knights, cant kill cuth, cant kill chemist. maaaaybe you can kill manti instead but probably not over vanity. So regardless of the combination, the abc kill is vanity.
  49. Day 4#3402

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    Completed this is me acknowledging the recent string of...

    this is me acknowledging the recent string of posting and saying im going to finally grab some food and let it play out for a bit without my input
  50. Day 4#3380

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    Completed pefect

    Quote Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee (#3379)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae (#3376)
    Quote Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee (#3374)
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbae (#3372)
    From your perspective, if you're clearing chemist then manti is always a wolf because theres no way cuth and i have that mutual freak out in day 3 as wolves when the wagons are you/beck

    The million dollar question is "is it right to clear chemist"
    Yeah I think i’m pretty close to on board with manti!wolf
    Ok, let's take the time here and fully discuss chemist/cuth (which started as one of your more likely teams) and make sure we want to remove it before advancing

    As detailed as possible, using the whole scope of the game, why is that a team we're willing to lose to?
    Well let me pull the cases, you can read them and tell me what your opinion on them is
    pefect
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