I mean you're right but you don't gotta point it out right away
Type: Posts; User: Sunbae
There were nothing but awesome villagers in the game that I didn't mention and I'm sorry. I'm just absolutely drained. Cuth specifically having every reason to vote me and coming up with the correct one instead while allowing me to explore the option of him being a wolf and letting me get there on my own was a huge part of me being able to put it together at the end. But everyone did a wonderful job and I can comfortably call this one the highest level game I've ever played (sorry WC game, you've been replaced).
I want to first say that this was the most difficult game I've ever played. No mechanics to help, no weak links to remove easily, and no players that are obvious villagers due to having poor wolf games. Everyone brought it hard and my head was all over the place at various points. I would like to apologize to gh and beck for how I handled them but especially Beck who I flat out told I'd rather maj him than let him speak more. That was bad but I hope you two take some minor solace in the fact that it was mainly an unwillingness to disappoint you further that fueled me to spend my entire Sunday pouring through everything.
I hope the mentees all found something that helped them for future games. The point of these is to try and see things from the perspective of others and hopefully getting to see the process behind the scenes helped. I especially hope Empoof came out of this with a better understanding of the things he told me he thinks he needs help with.
Knights, I want you to know that I have never in my life played a game where a wolf was that much inside my head. I've had games where people have fooled me, had games where I thought someone didn't have that in their wolf game, and games where I was turned around for bad reasons. Never like this. Every time I read a case by someone or a weird comment and thought something, I'd scroll down and see you make the same comment. It was a complete and total mind$%#! reading your iso today and seeing comment after comment than I thought myself. I do not want to village against you in a serious game ever again and I hope you take that as something positive rather than negative.
I don't mean to leave chemist out because that was a difficult decision for me today as well and chemist played great. There were so many interesting thoughts that really looked like you were attempting to solve alignments and it truly was significantly different than the wolf game I read and very similar to the villager one.
I appreciate the kind words in post because I was uh, not as kind to myself during the game behind the scenes. I truly enjoy posting here because of all of you being so friendly and easy to get along with and I think I'll continue to do so in various threads, but I think my days of playing werewolf are done. Not a bad way to go out.
I ended up rereading the thread, knights iso, and various interactions. I don't think there's much use waiting around anymore because I'm pretty a-ok with my vote. I understand it might be wrong and if so I'm sorry.
I'm not going to make a big whole post about all the reasons. I assume everyone will understand that I tried my best.
I'm going to make my vote, see the answer, and leave. i think the only person that played bad is me.
thank you for the game
Thats not to say I wont be doing just as much work as I did yesterday, it's just that im not gonna flood the thread with it because showing my process no longer matters.
So here's the deal.
I'm just not going to vote anytime soon, sorry. I'm much less confident than I let on once you told me you were gonna vote and I just wanted to ensure that one of the wolves was getting voted. I am very much leaning manti but it's nowhere close to be confident enough to vote early. I understand why you did but yeah.
Last game day I spent the entire day going through the thread and showing everything I was doing because it was important to show I was a villager. Today I don't have to do that so I won't.
In fact, I doubt I say another word in the thread until I'm almost ready to vote. I think the answer is in the past and anything said today is just wifom. Feel free both of you to point out what you think proves the answer, and ill be reading it, but ill be weighing the past more.
Fair warning, im about to head out for a handful of hours so any vote wont be happening until tonight so dont bother refreshing or getting antsy.
this is me saying the game isnt over
Ah, nah I did spend time trying to get Knights to vote manti of course but that was because I wanted Knights to vote not me since i thought I was the only person who could get voted out over him. The discussion of you to knights was getting him to officially mark you as cleared so he was backed into voting manti
Essentially, at one point yesterday i was at like 150 posts, knights was at 100 and was almost double 3rd place. I had the ability to direct that conversation any way I wanted to and I kept directing it to suspicion on Knights rather than Cuth. At the same time, this was clearly not for bussing credit because I then talked Knights into voting manti and pretty much ending his game instead of voting him first going for "credit" or anything.
You had expressed doubt on cuth on multiple occasions and were clearing me. I had suspected Cuth the day before. If I were a wolf there and me/knights were 400 posting controlling the thread, I would keep circling back to why we should vote Cuth. I'd bring up GH's case and hammer that home repeatedly. Instead, every time I mentioned GH's case I also made sure to comment on Vanity's cuth read + cuth's eod3 making me think it couldn't be him.
Contrast that with how I kept circling back on Knights by bringing up that his eod3 was the wolfiest thing in the thread. Instead of trying to get you to vote Cuth, I asked you about Knight's eod and what you thought of it. These things would be reversed if I were a wolf with knights (I'd be finding reasons to call him a villager over anything wolfy and then push cuth to you instead of finding reasons to call cuth a villager and then push Knights to you).
im up this early because i have a handful of things to do irl so in about 15 minutes ill be out for a while. ill spend the next few minutes just recapping my day yesterday to hopefully ease the villagers mind here but i think it should be obvious im a villager here:
1. I don't think if me/knights are the wolf team in that situation (one where we've been running over the thread for 3 game days) I post 250 times, he posts 180 times, and it ends with me capping him. I think in the case that we're wolves together we tag team someone into voting someone else because we would have been controlling the thread.
2. I capped Knights after he spend a significant portion of his day convinced I was going to vote him. The overnight portion between real life days saw him even say it was inevitable that I was going to vote him.
3. I played yesterday from the standpoint of "not only do I have to get this right, I have to make sure people don't kill me instead". I spent the first half of the game day working through everything and locking in my desire to vote for knights. If I were a wolf with him, this would have been leading up to a vote for some theater. Instead, I was aware of Cuth's desire to vote me throughout the game and was afraid that if I voted Knights that he could end up voting for me. So instead - rather than vote Knights myself - I walked him through various possibilities until he had eliminated enough pairs to be backed into "manti is a wolf with whichever else it is" (because he thought you were clear for the post about me and thought me/cuth couldnt be w/w). Then he was forced to vote manti and I was certain he would die in that one (I wanted to kill him and knew cuth would too).
4. I was spending my time at the very end trying to find ways to get lock cleared to make a final 3 easier because I was pretty sure I wasn't dying given the situation (personally i thought you were but whatever). By trying to get the hammer I was trying to ensure that everyone knew I was clear. I asked you specifically because you had me clear and I thought it was easy, but once you showed hesitation I just shrugged and capped knights. I think this shows my mentality was pure rather than the entire day being fake.
5. I reiterate that I - who had come into the day feeling like I was potentially going to get voted for the loss - came in and posted 250+ times, read through everything, was entirely transparent about what I was reading, repeatedly said knight's end of day on the beck kill was the wolfiest thing in the thread, did my due diligence with everyone, constantly checked out every angle, decided i was going to kill knights, then talked him into voting someone else instead of me. I think that I did everything I possibly could to make it obvious that I was a villager.
ima go wake up a little bit and shake the cobwebs off, ill be back in here in like 15ish
im just trying to think of any way you dont give me the hammer with the chance of me voting manti if youre knights partner and pretty sure the answers no
i also thiiiiink knights voting manti and then spending his time casing cuth is like, super weird if manti is a villager
so yeah go ahead. might take me longer to vote than it should take you, but should get there pretty quickly. plus, i think its pretty obvious after i spent 100 posts getting knights to the point where he was sure i was voting him and then another 50+ convincing him to vote manti and then capping him that im never, ever the partner so you voting manti first seems easy
all you have to say is "no i dont feel comfortable with that" and my next post will be a knights vote
and again, if you decide that you dont want to do that let me know and ill just vote now
however, ive spent 100 posts going at knights to the point knights thought it was a foregone conclusion i was going to vote him and then another 50 convincing him to vote manti. Im just never a wolf with him
I think you take a step back for a second and recognize that im killing knights either next or with the hammer. With the hammer i get to be clear which is important because youve been pretty adamant you think its me/knights so i can die tomorrow in that world but if I can get clear then I can't.
It's literally a freeroll for chemist who has me as clear
chem if youre not comfortable with that its fine and ill vote next but i think it maximizes win equity to have me be clear heading to a final 3
yeah its either cuth/manti or knights is a wolf
chemist, from your pov i should be lock clear
its not me/cuth
its not me/manti now
and i dont think it can be be/knights given im the whole reason he voted manti in the first place
all of this plus your initial read of me being a clear villager means that i should be clear
if so, can i get you to vote manti so i can announce that im not a wolf to the world and we can cut off that potential avenue for f3?
making the note that its not me/manti
i think im going to say nothing over the next 15-20 minutes and just read along
actually the more i think about it the more i think this has w/w potential after being boxed out of chemist/cuth/me votes
the only main issue with this one is why box out of a chemist vote in that world but whatever. lets see how it progresses
knights: i agree with cuth that the worlds dont really matter from your pov. your game is essentially over solving wise at this point: you found a vote that didnt end the game and now you just need to explain to everyone in excruciating detail why they are a wolf and you are not
My initial take is that knights/manti is extremely unlikely given the rather limp post vote reaction? Like if this is coordinated you just have one bury the other right?
This leaves what?
The worlds I've been most suspicious of this game day were manti/knights, knights/cuth, and manti/chem
yeah, thinking about things cuth
er not game day, real life day
i spent a lot of effort getting knights to vote manti there lol
my entire day this game day was to try and coax him into doing it
so glad to hear it was correct
knights: who are the wolves
cuth: who are the wolves
we've all done a good job of analyzing everything at this point but its time to take our stands
i mean by all means go first if youd like
ill never turn down the opportunity to get more info before voting lol
i think im ready to vote but ill let manti finish the isos and say his piece
alright im back
ive decided to officially ignore vanitys final reads from my analysis for two main reasons:
Number 1: The wolf team has shown itself willing to kill people with incorrect reads already and instead just off whoever is the most widely village read person. On night 2 they bopd bop despite bop screaming about beck as well because bop was the most widely read villager. So since vanity was the most widely read villager, that tracks with the previous kills.
Number 2: who else would be the kill? cnt kill me, cant kill knights, cant kill cuth, cant kill chemist. maaaaybe you can kill manti instead but probably not over vanity. So regardless of the combination, the abc kill is vanity.
this is me acknowledging the recent string of posting and saying im going to finally grab some food and let it play out for a bit without my input