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    Game Thread I didn't see your role-claim as PR I gave that...

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1038)
    @ignoramus

    at the time you put me as "town?" how much of my posts had you read, did you see I was a PR, and why did you give me that read
    I didn't see your role-claim as PR
    I gave that read because I said I was willing to sheep Marl and I still am
    I just had some hesitation about you for reasons I don't even understand

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1116)
    @Kurosaki Ichigo @Syn @Imarevenant @Hydreigon25 there's 10 hours left in the day

    let's start getting wagons that aren't so meager

    wanna vote lukess with me?
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1175)
    destiny didn't vote day 1? that's really weird, don't like it either
    As far as I know that aligns with his town Meta more than woof Meta but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1230)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1227)
    "claimed a PR and didn't die in the night"

    do you realize what pr I claimed
    serious question
    Thread says you're BP so I'll take it

    [QUOTE=ddlcfan69;4699538]
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#951)
    Quote Originally Posted by Darr (#936)
    @ignoramus any thoughts yet? And welcome to the game
    Thanks for the welcome! It's greatly appreciatedAs for any thoughts, I had a woof-lean on you for p#695 but I Do Not Remember Why

    List of tiers atm

    Good
    Marl

    Good?
    Esooa

    Not Good
    Darr
    Syn

    Operating off of the little i have read i have come to the conclusion wallbanger is town.
    Also i think esooa is in the sus tier becuz of reations yday. After reading the sacred texts (Chris's iso) it seems that he was not a fan of how she reacted yday, and beleieves she was feigning frustration and defeatism. I am questioning Marls authority here but im conf town so...

    If she flips red (I don't think she will but lettuce just imagine), who would her partner/s be?
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    Game Thread Re: bolded in general: I think this could be...

    Quote Originally Posted by Imarevenant (#979)
    Quote Originally Posted by Darr (#934)
    @Imarevenant your vote for carrots broke the tie with Esooa. It's the only serious vote you placed during the phase (not counting the traditional Destiny vote). Can you think of anyone else you would have voted for at the time?
    I would have voted Banger at that time, which is why I was asking about why there was a push on carrots and why Mark was only willing to go Carrots if not Esooa.

    I was also contemplating Kuro. But that was based on the scenario Tim had given me about who I was willing to vote among those that were voting SS. That was Essoa, Marl and Kuro. I already said I believe Essoa to be town, and Marl was giving town vibes as well. In the end Kuro felt more similar to the JL game so I didn't act on that vote.

    One other long shot for me would have been Destiny. At the time I remember his posts were largely about mechanical matters and contributing with knowledge points rather than opinions about people's play at the time. Wolf Destiny hides in plain site using that tactic. Still it was early, thus a long shot and something I would rather continue to keep an eye on.
    Re: bolded in general: I think this could be soft-distancing, especially since the wording makes me feel that Rev should be voting Wall by now.
    Re: underlined: I don't know Rev's Meta, but I can see this as TMI of Carrots' alignment and potentially clearing Esooa because he was asking "why not Esooa?" to Mark. I'm operating without context but I'm pretty sure this will clear both Esooa and Mark.
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    Game Thread Thanks for the welcome! It's greatly...

    Quote Originally Posted by Darr (#936)
    @ignoramus any thoughts yet? And welcome to the game
    Thanks for the welcome! It's greatly appreciatedAs for any thoughts, I had a woof-lean on you for p#695 but I Do Not Remember Why

    List of tiers atm

    Good
    Marl

    Good?
    Esooa

    Not Good
    Darr
    Syn

    Operating off of the little that I've read and ~vibes~
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    Game Thread I did a quick skim of his iso and i saw him going...

    Quote Originally Posted by Destinylives (#891)
    Quote Originally Posted by ddlcfan69 (#890)
    Quote Originally Posted by ddlcfan69 (#888)
    i hc other mason I dare any of you to cc. While I have not been active, Sensei Chris went hard yday left me a lovely goodbye message on discord. As he was clearly fearkilled, I feel like the list he gave me of ppl who he thinks were suspicions has at least 2 scum on it. I will be slowly giving more info but for now...



    Die Trash
    ##Vote Wallbanger
    I understand that DJ didn't trust Banger yesterday and others seem to suspect him as well. Unless something else comes to light this seems to be the direction that today is heading in.
    I did a quick skim of his iso and i saw him going at syn.
    I think hes an ~okay cw but may change my mind tmrw after wakin up
    ##Vote Syn
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    Game Thread Its not rude at all (for me, at least)! I came...

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#878)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#877)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#866)
    I want to hear @ignoramus read on me
    seeing as how we've wolfed together before i should be an easy solve for him
    They/them please 🏃
    She/her works fine if they/them seems pretty weird too!
    As for a read on you, I poked my head ITT, said hi, then went back to class XD
    I'm operating under no back-reading whatsoever but GTH town
    Willing to sheep you until I finish back-reading
    they/them pronouns are honestly cool af

    I'm jealous

    I want to ask you more about how you got to using those but I'm kinda unsure because I don't want to be rude about it
    Its not rude at all (for me, at least)!
    I came to those pronouns when i realized i wasnt comfortable with being called she/her and he/him
    But she/her is more comfortable than he/him by a large margin

    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#880)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#877)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#866)
    I want to hear @ignoramus read on me
    seeing as how we've wolfed together before i should be an easy solve for him
    They/them please 🏃
    She/her works fine if they/them seems pretty weird too!
    As for a read on you, I poked my head ITT, said hi, then went back to class XD
    I'm operating under no back-reading whatsoever but GTH town
    Willing to sheep you until I finish back-reading
    oh
    i'll use they/them, my bad
    also no backreading is respectable
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    Game Thread They/them please 🏃 She/her works fine if...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#866)
    I want to hear @ignoramus read on me
    seeing as how we've wolfed together before i should be an easy solve for him
    They/them please 🏃
    She/her works fine if they/them seems pretty weird too!
    As for a read on you, I poked my head ITT, said hi, then went back to class XD
    I'm operating under no back-reading whatsoever but GTH town
    Willing to sheep you until I finish back-reading
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    Game Thread No. Just No. Hello!!! How's you been?

    Quote Originally Posted by Syn (#799)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#798)
    Hello, all!
    [insert kpop song here]
    No. Just
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#858)
    Igno!!
    Hello!!! How's you been?
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    Game Thread Hello, all!

    Hello, all!
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    Game Thread Koba!!! Hi!!!

    Koba!!! Hi!!!
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    Game Thread It's not Halloween yet, though :(

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal (#86)
    either way

    ##Vote Arapocalypse

    is mafia, primarily because she's infinitely less Hype!!!! for this game than you'd expect, and she set a 500 postcap for herself which indicates that she expects activity

    she's wolf who's letting the game stay dead
    let's eliminate her
    It's not Halloween yet, though
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    /in!!

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    Sign-Up /sub! The mafia temptation is too strong...

    /sub!
    The mafia temptation is too strong
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    Automated Gotta focus on school more Need to up my grades...

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#22)
    @@electrocardiogram gundam @Nippleman @soah @Wisdom @ignoramus @Inawordyes @4maskwolf

    may try to get more later
    Gotta focus on school more
    Need to up my grades for senior high!
    I am also scared because I broke my Meta
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    Completed The expected move, tbh I'm so worried she'll...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#3244)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#3221)
    $%#!IN POG
    I'm also very very sorry, especially to Esooa
    (I also apologized like 8 times to esooa in scum chat.)
    The expected move, tbh
    I'm so worried she'll policy me like Rask said he would
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    Completed @ everyone...

    @ everyone
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    Completed The day we play again together and I rand mafia...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cemeteries (#3229)
    also told y’all i’m a goddess in LyLo
    The day we play again together and I rand mafia I'm going to kill you N1
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    Completed NOOOOOO PLEASEEEE

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3224)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#3221)
    $%#!IN POG
    I'm also very very sorry, especially to Esooa
    I am policying you from now on.
    NOOOOOO
    PLEASEEEE
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    Completed $%#!IN POG I'm also very very sorry, especially...

    $%#!IN POG
    I'm also very very sorry, especially to Esooa
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    Completed Bruh Anyway Im gonna work now Ceme is clearly...

    Bruh
    Anyway
    Im gonna work now
    Ceme is clearly lying
    Ive never planned anything in this game.
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    Completed Cemeteries...

    ##Vote Cemeteries
    [IMG]content://com.android.chrome.FileProvider/images/screenshot/1613171033824-1119477548.gif[/IMG]
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    Completed ^here i am confident in marls fakeclaim. ...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2797)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#2792)
    Didn't wiml literally say this exact situation would come to pass yesterday
    I should read wiml's post to be sure but i think there's a high chance that was why he was killed.
    Unless convinced otherwise, i am voting radishes in spirit.
    ^here i am confident in marls fakeclaim.

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2813)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#2800)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2797)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#2792)
    Didn't wiml literally say this exact situation would come to pass yesterday
    I should read wiml's post to be sure but i think there's a high chance that was why he was killed.
    Unless convinced otherwise, i am voting radishes in spirit.
    Fine for now, but do not vote until given the clear to do so.

    And keep an open mind. The fact the cop claim isn't dead yet should really be making you stop and re-evaluate, whatever conclusion you ultimately come to.
    I know this is a Bad Idea but im taking his claim at face value. No ones counterclaimed so im 98% inclined to believe him.

    Im willing to listen to your side tho
    If marl is w, and lets say we yeet him today, who do we yeet next?
    ^here im starting to show doubt on marls claim, by entertaining a w!marl yeet and where to go next.

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2825)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#2812)
    @Esooa @ignoramus don't let the wolves control all of the dialogue
    I trust in both of you, don't do anything dumb while I'm sleeping
    I'll try

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#2821)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2813)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#2800)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2797)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#2792)
    Didn't wiml literally say this exact situation would come to pass yesterday
    I should read wiml's post to be sure but i think there's a high chance that was why he was killed.
    Unless convinced otherwise, i am voting radishes in spirit.
    Fine for now, but do not vote until given the clear to do so.

    And keep an open mind. The fact the cop claim isn't dead yet should really be making you stop and re-evaluate, whatever conclusion you ultimately come to.
    I know this is a Bad Idea but im taking his claim at face value. No ones counterclaimed so im 98% inclined to believe him.

    Im willing to listen to your side tho
    If marl is w, and lets say we yeet him today, who do we yeet next?
    But what if no one counterclaim becuase this setup has no cop?

    There are 3 wolves in a 15er - that's immediately pretty townsided. There are BPVs and Vigs - one each of the latter which is even, but possible two of the former for town, which is again a slight edge to townsidedness.

    Mech-wise, a cop doesn't fit into this setup - it would be too imbalanced. So of course there has been no CC.

    Just think about it.
    Im not good at mechanics but i myself dont think its impossible that esooa is fakeclaiming
    Feels too op to be a real claim
    I believe shes just plain ol vt
    ^this is where im trying to balance the likelyhood of a cop vs a bpv townie.

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2827)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2826)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2825)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#2812)
    @Esooa @ignoramus don't let the wolves control all of the dialogue
    I trust in both of you, don't do anything dumb while I'm sleeping
    I'll try

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#2821)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2813)
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    I know this is a Bad Idea but im taking his claim at face value. No ones counterclaimed so im 98% inclined to believe him.

    Im willing to listen to your side tho
    If marl is w, and lets say we yeet him today, who do we yeet next?
    But what if no one counterclaim becuase this setup has no cop?

    There are 3 wolves in a 15er - that's immediately pretty townsided. There are BPVs and Vigs - one each of the latter which is even, but possible two of the former for town, which is again a slight edge to townsidedness.

    Mech-wise, a cop doesn't fit into this setup - it would be too imbalanced. So of course there has been no CC.

    Just think about it.
    Im not good at mechanics but i myself dont think its impossible that esooa is fakeclaiming
    Feels too op to be a real claim
    I believe shes just plain ol vt
    If both Esooa and Marl faked it, we are back to the beginning
    ???
    I'm just stating my reasons as to why I believe Marl's claim.
    ^this post shows me being like a boat, bobbing up and down in the middle of the ocean that is marls claims legitimacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2839)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2828)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2827)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2826)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2825)
    I'll try

    But what if no one counterclaim becuase this setup has no cop?

    There are 3 wolves in a 15er - that's immediately pretty townsided. There are BPVs and Vigs - one each of the latter which is even, but possible two of the former for town, which is again a slight edge to townsidedness.

    Mech-wise, a cop doesn't fit into this setup - it would be too imbalanced. So of course there has been no CC.

    Just think about it.
    Im not good at mechanics but i myself dont think its impossible that esooa is fakeclaiming
    Feels too op to be a real claim
    I believe shes just plain ol vt
    If both Esooa and Marl faked it, we are back to the beginning
    ???
    I'm just stating my reasons as to why I believe Marl's claim.
    I was talking about the worst case scenario here Esooa/Marl mafia, but I find it unlikely.
    Ohh
    Could be possible, given how they were willing to fake-claim masons (well, Marl did then Esooa just rolled with it), but the "ride-or-die" part makes it pretty unlikely, yeah
    ^this poat is where i made the thought of "if marl w, esooa v", which lowered marl further down the line.

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2866)
    Quote Originally Posted by Cemeteries (#2841)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2839)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2828)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2827)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2826)
    If both Esooa and Marl faked it, we are back to the beginning
    ???
    I'm just stating my reasons as to why I believe Marl's claim.
    I was talking about the worst case scenario here Esooa/Marl mafia, but I find it unlikely.
    Ohh
    Could be possible, given how they were willing to fake-claim masons (well, Marl did then Esooa just rolled with it), but the "ride-or-die" part makes it pretty unlikely, yeah
    Esooa has stated many times iirc that her favorite role is Masons. If Marl knows that he could've appealed to her wanting to do some FPSing that involved masons knowing she'd just roll with it. I genuinely doubt that this was planned, making them an unlikely w/w pairing if Marl were to flip red.

    If Marl flips green tho
    Is she still town?
    ^im eneteting bobbing boat moment again

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2893)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#2889)
    btw @ EVERYONE

    please say who you think is most likely wolf OUTSIDE of radishes/marl

    very important lol thx

    also @Raskolnikov hi where u at

    oooh also @Wiml you did very well this game, you should be proud

    anyways... I kinda think it's cemeteries but I'm n ot sure
    I honestly think that Rask could be?
    I didn't see his regular "if I see something I will bite onto it and never let go" thing I normally see in his town games.
    ^at this point im thinking of qho would be marls partner, meaning ive almost completely solidified my w!marl read.

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2901)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#2894)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2893)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#2889)
    btw @ EVERYONE

    please say who you think is most likely wolf OUTSIDE of radishes/marl

    very important lol thx

    also @Raskolnikov hi where u at

    oooh also @Wiml you did very well this game, you should be proud

    anyways... I kinda think it's cemeteries but I'm n ot sure
    I honestly think that Rask could be?
    I didn't see his regular "if I see something I will bite onto it and never let go" thing I normally see in his town games.
    well, he could be, but what is most likely?
    Either Rask, Ace, or Cemeteries tbh
    There's literally no other reason than PoE shenanigans, but I believe Cemeteries is most likely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2895)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#2894)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2893)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#2889)
    btw @ EVERYONE

    please say who you think is most likely wolf OUTSIDE of radishes/marl

    very important lol thx

    also @Raskolnikov hi where u at

    oooh also @Wiml you did very well this game, you should be proud

    anyways... I kinda think it's cemeteries but I'm n ot sure
    I honestly think that Rask could be?
    I didn't see his regular "if I see something I will bite onto it and never let go" thing I normally see in his town games.
    well, he could be, but what is most likely?
    What are you talking about Igno? I once again failed to read Tim correctly and yeeted town!him like a dumb $%#!.
    I have erased the..events..that have happened in that time period.
    Thanks for letting me remember nonetheless!
    I'm now more are of voting between Ace/Cemeteries tomorrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2899)
    And yeah, I fear to end this game with PTSD.
    I hope you won't end this game with PTSD!
    ^this is where i switched from rask to either ace/ceme because rask showed me what i needed to see/remember.

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2933)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#2902)
    I love that gif igno lol
    :

    and think you and veryone else is a greatperson this game
    Everyone GOAT

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2904)
    Don't worry for me Igno lol. I will be fine. (inb4 we yeet the town cop who got a red check)

    Also I hope it doesn't come to that

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2920)
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#1680)
    We sat on a Capage (5) vs Tim (3) wagon for over ten minutes at EoD after consolidating there earlier. Then at :50 Rask suggests a Csargo flash wagon.

    There were no other obviously viable wagons than those three, so why does w!Rask try to shake things up as we march towards a Capage mischop? Path of least resistance was let Capage go over as was seeming likely. (Others, like I, had voiced support of a Capage chop too.)

    Like obviously he can predict a bit of EoD chaos, so maybe if he's partnered with w!Tim he wants a last minute distraction for the rest of us. Or all options were town and he wanted to mess around a bit and maybe build up some towncred for trying to solve and whatnot.

    He is never partnered with w!Csargo though.
    I like this VCA (obviously it's about me and correct). Does someone read this as TMI? and if so why?
    It could possibly be read as TMI.
    The bolded text feels like a TMI slip, letting it slip that "you're town because no woof would do that when there's a misyeet right there"
    There's also a side-dish of WIFOM there, which is him trying to keep his options open on your misyeet.
    ^this post is me further considering who could be marls teammates, since radish himself had said its most likely 3 wolves, which i had also taken as tmi yesterday.

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#3007)
    Good (very early) morning, and happy chinese new year to all!

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2972)
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#2966)
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2965)
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#2964)
    Rask I figure you're just doing this sort of thing for yourself, but if you want me to respond to points e.g. like below, let me know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2950)
    This is a scummy post.

    In both instances, Radish doesn't explain why WimL is wrong. He just insinuates doubts.

    /continuing.
    Yes. Feel free to chime in if you (or anyone else) have anything to add of course. I am halfway through your day 2 ISO, making a break right now.

    RN, I find it more scummy than the Marlux'one, but the setup thingy is really giving me a pause.
    I mean in a sense that doesn't surprise me. After Masongate, Marl just had to sit back and drop some opinions here and there to look solvy. No one was pressuring him, and he had no need to pressure anyone. Thus there'd be few things to find particuarly scummy.

    Whereas I $%#!posted half the game, barely read the other half, and had several wrong reads. So of course I'm going to come across as scummier in a vacuum - I was actually trying to figure things out and mistepping along the way because I was doing it on intuition more than evidence from isos and so on.

    If it helps, here's a rough overview of how my perspective unfolded: in D1 I was mostly coasting along with a few pokes and prods but still feeling everyone out; in D2 I tunneled into Tim and anchored my developing worldview on that, and it blinded me to anything else going on; and in D3 I began to sense something was wrong and was annoyed at the lazy votes on me from some, but eventually convinced myself we had to have the correct PoE and had just misfired on Tim.
    Yes. I am done with Day 2 & Day 3, and I totally read these as increasingly scummy (I pointed out some of these already day 3).
    But I may be confirming bias here.

    Gonna reread day 4 now.

    @Esooa @ignoramus @Ace Marvel @Cemeteries: We vote as a one?
    Thinking about it
    @ me when you vote ty

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#3000)
    @ignoramus
    @Cemetaries
    @Ace Marvel
    @Esooa
    @Raskolnikov


    My thoughts summarised above.


    I'm still around and will keep interacting, but considering half of you are not paying this game any attention and Ace sound like he wants to vote soon, I wanted to get this out there.
    Thanks for the @!
    Based off of how youre still trying compared to marl, im more inclined to vote him now but im willing to wait for him to solve more.
    @Marluxion youre the cop, yes, but u still need to solve. Whos wolf after radish?
    ^for the "@ me when u vote ty" is me weighing options - if rask voted not marl, should i follow him?
    For the the lower half of the post, its me being more convinced marl is a hit because he was doing something eerily similar to a woofgame i played - i was the "redcheck" of the woof, and i got yeeted so the woofs won.
    Nonetheless, in the off chance he was cop, i wanted to know his #1 woofread as a kind-of legacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#3052)
    ##Vote Marluxion
    Good morning again!
    ^here is when i had seen the ping that rask made
    I had fallen asleep because it was 1-2am at the time i made the "pls @ me ty" so when i saw it, i went "goodvote" and immediately followed.

    @Raskolnikov
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    Completed It was a gradual thing From "hes cop im not...

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#3075)
    @ignoramus: can you talk about your progression on Marlux?
    It was a gradual thing
    From "hes cop im not gonna touch him" to "actually willing to vote him", reasons being radishes' efforts while marl just. Sat there.
    Im going to get my posts where i was starting to feel like voting marl instead of radish
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    Completed Marluxion Good morning again!

    ##Vote Marluxion
    Good morning again!
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    Completed Timezone states that if you guys vote anywhere...

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#3013)
    Igno, I think it'd be best - if possible - for all of us to be present when voting.

    The result could become clear in the midst of voting.
    Timezone states that if you guys vote anywhere from 9am est and beyond i wont be there
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    Completed Good (very early) morning, and happy chinese new...

    Good (very early) morning, and happy chinese new year to all!

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2972)
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#2966)
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2965)
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#2964)
    Rask I figure you're just doing this sort of thing for yourself, but if you want me to respond to points e.g. like below, let me know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2950)
    This is a scummy post.

    In both instances, Radish doesn't explain why WimL is wrong. He just insinuates doubts.

    /continuing.
    Yes. Feel free to chime in if you (or anyone else) have anything to add of course. I am halfway through your day 2 ISO, making a break right now.

    RN, I find it more scummy than the Marlux'one, but the setup thingy is really giving me a pause.
    I mean in a sense that doesn't surprise me. After Masongate, Marl just had to sit back and drop some opinions here and there to look solvy. No one was pressuring him, and he had no need to pressure anyone. Thus there'd be few things to find particuarly scummy.

    Whereas I $%#!posted half the game, barely read the other half, and had several wrong reads. So of course I'm going to come across as scummier in a vacuum - I was actually trying to figure things out and mistepping along the way because I was doing it on intuition more than evidence from isos and so on.

    If it helps, here's a rough overview of how my perspective unfolded: in D1 I was mostly coasting along with a few pokes and prods but still feeling everyone out; in D2 I tunneled into Tim and anchored my developing worldview on that, and it blinded me to anything else going on; and in D3 I began to sense something was wrong and was annoyed at the lazy votes on me from some, but eventually convinced myself we had to have the correct PoE and had just misfired on Tim.
    Yes. I am done with Day 2 & Day 3, and I totally read these as increasingly scummy (I pointed out some of these already day 3).
    But I may be confirming bias here.

    Gonna reread day 4 now.

    @Esooa @ignoramus @Ace Marvel @Cemeteries: We vote as a one?
    Thinking about it
    @ me when you vote ty

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#3000)
    @ignoramus
    @Cemetaries
    @Ace Marvel
    @Esooa
    @Raskolnikov


    My thoughts summarised above.


    I'm still around and will keep interacting, but considering half of you are not paying this game any attention and Ace sound like he wants to vote soon, I wanted to get this out there.
    Thanks for the @!
    Based off of how youre still trying compared to marl, im more inclined to vote him now but im willing to wait for him to solve more.
    @Marluxion youre the cop, yes, but u still need to solve. Whos wolf after radish?
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    Completed :ghosthug: Everyone GOAT :thumbsup:...

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#2902)
    I love that gif igno lol
    :

    and think you and veryone else is a greatperson this game
    Everyone GOAT

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2904)
    Don't worry for me Igno lol. I will be fine. (inb4 we yeet the town cop who got a red check)

    Also I hope it doesn't come to that

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2920)
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#1680)
    We sat on a Capage (5) vs Tim (3) wagon for over ten minutes at EoD after consolidating there earlier. Then at :50 Rask suggests a Csargo flash wagon.

    There were no other obviously viable wagons than those three, so why does w!Rask try to shake things up as we march towards a Capage mischop? Path of least resistance was let Capage go over as was seeming likely. (Others, like I, had voiced support of a Capage chop too.)

    Like obviously he can predict a bit of EoD chaos, so maybe if he's partnered with w!Tim he wants a last minute distraction for the rest of us. Or all options were town and he wanted to mess around a bit and maybe build up some towncred for trying to solve and whatnot.

    He is never partnered with w!Csargo though.
    I like this VCA (obviously it's about me and correct). Does someone read this as TMI? and if so why?
    It could possibly be read as TMI.
    The bolded text feels like a TMI slip, letting it slip that "you're town because no woof would do that when there's a misyeet right there"
    There's also a side-dish of WIFOM there, which is him trying to keep his options open on your misyeet.
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    Completed Either Rask, Ace, or Cemeteries tbh There's...

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#2894)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2893)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#2889)
    btw @ EVERYONE

    please say who you think is most likely wolf OUTSIDE of radishes/marl

    very important lol thx

    also @Raskolnikov hi where u at

    oooh also @Wiml you did very well this game, you should be proud

    anyways... I kinda think it's cemeteries but I'm n ot sure
    I honestly think that Rask could be?
    I didn't see his regular "if I see something I will bite onto it and never let go" thing I normally see in his town games.
    well, he could be, but what is most likely?
    Either Rask, Ace, or Cemeteries tbh
    There's literally no other reason than PoE shenanigans, but I believe Cemeteries is most likely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2895)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#2894)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2893)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#2889)
    btw @ EVERYONE

    please say who you think is most likely wolf OUTSIDE of radishes/marl

    very important lol thx

    also @Raskolnikov hi where u at

    oooh also @Wiml you did very well this game, you should be proud

    anyways... I kinda think it's cemeteries but I'm n ot sure
    I honestly think that Rask could be?
    I didn't see his regular "if I see something I will bite onto it and never let go" thing I normally see in his town games.
    well, he could be, but what is most likely?
    What are you talking about Igno? I once again failed to read Tim correctly and yeeted town!him like a dumb $%#!.
    I have erased the..events..that have happened in that time period.
    Thanks for letting me remember nonetheless!
    I'm now more are of voting between Ace/Cemeteries tomorrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2899)
    And yeah, I fear to end this game with PTSD.
    I hope you won't end this game with PTSD!
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    Completed I honestly think that Rask could be? I didn't...

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#2889)
    btw @ EVERYONE

    please say who you think is most likely wolf OUTSIDE of radishes/marl

    very important lol thx

    also @Raskolnikov hi where u at

    oooh also @Wiml you did very well this game, you should be proud

    anyways... I kinda think it's cemeteries but I'm n ot sure
    I honestly think that Rask could be?
    I didn't see his regular "if I see something I will bite onto it and never let go" thing I normally see in his town games.
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    Completed :y: If Marl flips green tho Is she still town?...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cemeteries (#2841)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2839)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2828)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2827)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2826)
    If both Esooa and Marl faked it, we are back to the beginning
    ???
    I'm just stating my reasons as to why I believe Marl's claim.
    I was talking about the worst case scenario here Esooa/Marl mafia, but I find it unlikely.
    Ohh
    Could be possible, given how they were willing to fake-claim masons (well, Marl did then Esooa just rolled with it), but the "ride-or-die" part makes it pretty unlikely, yeah
    Esooa has stated many times iirc that her favorite role is Masons. If Marl knows that he could've appealed to her wanting to do some FPSing that involved masons knowing she'd just roll with it. I genuinely doubt that this was planned, making them an unlikely w/w pairing if Marl were to flip red.

    If Marl flips green tho
    Is she still town?

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#2842)
    what if radishes/marl was w/w lol
    TBTBAW (too ballsy to be a wolf, a term created by yours truly)
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    Completed Ohh Could be possible, given how they were...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2828)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2827)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2826)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2825)
    I'll try

    But what if no one counterclaim becuase this setup has no cop?

    There are 3 wolves in a 15er - that's immediately pretty townsided. There are BPVs and Vigs - one each of the latter which is even, but possible two of the former for town, which is again a slight edge to townsidedness.

    Mech-wise, a cop doesn't fit into this setup - it would be too imbalanced. So of course there has been no CC.

    Just think about it.
    Im not good at mechanics but i myself dont think its impossible that esooa is fakeclaiming
    Feels too op to be a real claim
    I believe shes just plain ol vt
    If both Esooa and Marl faked it, we are back to the beginning
    ???
    I'm just stating my reasons as to why I believe Marl's claim.
    I was talking about the worst case scenario here Esooa/Marl mafia, but I find it unlikely.
    Ohh
    Could be possible, given how they were willing to fake-claim masons (well, Marl did then Esooa just rolled with it), but the "ride-or-die" part makes it pretty unlikely, yeah
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    Completed ??? I'm just stating my reasons as to why I...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2826)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2825)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#2812)
    @Esooa @ignoramus don't let the wolves control all of the dialogue
    I trust in both of you, don't do anything dumb while I'm sleeping
    I'll try

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#2821)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2813)
    2
    I know this is a Bad Idea but im taking his claim at face value. No ones counterclaimed so im 98% inclined to believe him.

    Im willing to listen to your side tho
    If marl is w, and lets say we yeet him today, who do we yeet next?
    But what if no one counterclaim becuase this setup has no cop?

    There are 3 wolves in a 15er - that's immediately pretty townsided. There are BPVs and Vigs - one each of the latter which is even, but possible two of the former for town, which is again a slight edge to townsidedness.

    Mech-wise, a cop doesn't fit into this setup - it would be too imbalanced. So of course there has been no CC.

    Just think about it.
    Im not good at mechanics but i myself dont think its impossible that esooa is fakeclaiming
    Feels too op to be a real claim
    I believe shes just plain ol vt
    If both Esooa and Marl faked it, we are back to the beginning
    ???
    I'm just stating my reasons as to why I believe Marl's claim.
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    Completed I'll try Im not good at mechanics but i...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#2812)
    @Esooa @ignoramus don't let the wolves control all of the dialogue
    I trust in both of you, don't do anything dumb while I'm sleeping
    I'll try

    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#2821)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2813)
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#2800)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2797)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#2792)
    Didn't wiml literally say this exact situation would come to pass yesterday
    I should read wiml's post to be sure but i think there's a high chance that was why he was killed.
    Unless convinced otherwise, i am voting radishes in spirit.
    Fine for now, but do not vote until given the clear to do so.

    And keep an open mind. The fact the cop claim isn't dead yet should really be making you stop and re-evaluate, whatever conclusion you ultimately come to.
    I know this is a Bad Idea but im taking his claim at face value. No ones counterclaimed so im 98% inclined to believe him.

    Im willing to listen to your side tho
    If marl is w, and lets say we yeet him today, who do we yeet next?
    But what if no one counterclaim becuase this setup has no cop?

    There are 3 wolves in a 15er - that's immediately pretty townsided. There are BPVs and Vigs - one each of the latter which is even, but possible two of the former for town, which is again a slight edge to townsidedness.

    Mech-wise, a cop doesn't fit into this setup - it would be too imbalanced. So of course there has been no CC.

    Just think about it.
    Im not good at mechanics but i myself dont think its impossible that esooa is fakeclaiming
    Feels too op to be a real claim
    I believe shes just plain ol vt
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    Completed 2 I know this is a Bad Idea but im taking his...

    2
    Quote Originally Posted by Master Radishes (#2800)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#2797)
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#2792)
    Didn't wiml literally say this exact situation would come to pass yesterday
    I should read wiml's post to be sure but i think there's a high chance that was why he was killed.
    Unless convinced otherwise, i am voting radishes in spirit.
    Fine for now, but do not vote until given the clear to do so.

    And keep an open mind. The fact the cop claim isn't dead yet should really be making you stop and re-evaluate, whatever conclusion you ultimately come to.
    I know this is a Bad Idea but im taking his claim at face value. No ones counterclaimed so im 98% inclined to believe him.

    Im willing to listen to your side tho
    If marl is w, and lets say we yeet him today, who do we yeet next?
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    Completed I should read wiml's post to be sure but i think...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#2792)
    Didn't wiml literally say this exact situation would come to pass yesterday
    I should read wiml's post to be sure but i think there's a high chance that was why he was killed.
    Unless convinced otherwise, i am voting radishes in spirit.
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    Completed The confidence in this post is a big :fry:. ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1992)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1990)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1989)
    I honestly think Tim is town, please vote somewhere else.
    do you have any justifications for this post?
    Tim is being selfish, and in no way that helps mafia in this situation. I can't see a world were Tim does all of this to flip mafia, spewing 90% of the thread.
    The confidence in this post is a big .

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2323)
    ##Vote Csargo

    There is no way I vote Tim

    Esooa in the wise words of music legend Cher "snap out of it"
    Feels like he knows Tim is town.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2324)
    @Marluxion today is too late, but talk to Esooa and remove tunnel vision please.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2325)
    Hollowkatt don't let it rand, you know Tim is not the way.
    Shielding of Tim because of TMI are shown quite well in these two posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#2404)
    Well well well I told you a million time not to vote Tim, I told you not to kill Tim and yet, you did. Also HK


    Out of respect for Tim, I will not tunnel Esooa.

    ##Vote Master Radishes
    The bolded text is similar to what a woof would say in order to gain town-credit.

    I don't think Cargo and Ace can be woofs together, but individually, I'm certain they're woofs.
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    Completed I'm not sure about Rask's defense, but Ace's...

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#2659)
    what do you think of csargos interactions with Raskol and aces day 2 votes and defense of Tim
    I'm not sure about Rask's defense, but Ace's kinda felt like TMI to me.
    I'm gonna quote his posts in a later post.
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    Completed Im kinda confused by this but upon rereading it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#2599)
    Ceme and our Radish friend lock scum imo
    Im kinda confused by this but upon rereading it might be possible imo

    P#2611 - igno/Cemeteries 9 times out of 10 are just town. It's a bit lazy, but I feel like that's the case. Plus, Esooa talked about them and it's not like I'm gonna get a real read here anyways. At most 1 scum potentially here?
    Tjis rlly feels like using someone else to townread ur partner, making it possible for them to be considered tmi town by the village
    ##Vote Csargo
    I think itll be okay to have them at 3/3?
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    Completed Good afternoon! I still stand firm on my...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#2553)
    @ignoramus you're the other confirmed town
    can you give me some thoughts if you've had time to catch up
    Good afternoon!
    I still stand firm on my town-core of Ace, LoS, You, Esooa, and Rask

    Cemeteries I should continue reading Cargo's ISO to see if there's any more spew whatsoever
    If he avoided her then I've pretty much found myself another woof
    After that, I'm going to look through Cemeteries spew (if she flips red - my confidence was shaken because of Tim flipping green)
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    Completed Me and Cargo* super sorry

    Me and Cargo* super sorry
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    Completed Actually, I gotta correct something: if you would...

    Actually, I gotta correct something: if you would have to choose between me and Radish, @Ace Marvel, who would you choose and why?
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    Completed There's no way a literal mason can be woof, and I...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#1986)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#772)
    Ace Marvel The Wheel of fortune
    Capage The Tower
    Cemeteries The World
    Csargo The high Priestess
    CuteKittie The Sun
    DEAFinitelyNotFrog The Hanged Man
    Esooa The Hermit
    hollowkatt Temperance
    ignoramus The Moon
    LordArgon The Empress
    Marluxion Justice
    Raskolnikov The Devil
    Master Radishes Judgement
    Timsup2nothin The Chariot
    Wiml The Fool
    Also everyone ignored this, anyways according to my reading mafia is somewhere in the bold ones
    There's no way a literal mason can be woof, and I highly doubt it's Radish either. You're either gonna vote me or vote Cargo.
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    Completed :y: I'm willing to sheep you but I want...

    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#1700)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1696)
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#1664)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1660)
    Possible w/w with Tim? (p#15 to p#95 - feels like two woofs going "yes we are conversing with each other therefore We Are Not Woofs Together")Possible w/w with LoS but less likely IMO (p#153 - trying to help out a newer woof?)More likely w/w with Tim (p#193 - more on Tim's response than Cargo's, because Tim is going "dude stop they'll read into this" while Cargo is going "nah they won't, trust me" which is big )Ace TMI town? (p#217 - feels like he let it slip that Ace isn't his partner, at least)Possible w/w with Rask??? Don't know since it seems less likely than Tim/Cargo (p#230 - look at my reasoning for p#15 to p#95)I doubt Cemeteries/Cargo w/w team (p#311)Rask/Cargo highly unlikely to be partners (p#518 - feels like sloppy justification to vote someone, which feels like Rask is town)Cap/Cargo maybe unaligned??? (p#518 - feels like using a town's post to justify voting another town, which is more common than using your buddy's post to justify, I think, so >rand town for Cap)Tim definitely w/w (p#522 - "Tim's slightly better than null" is pretty much putting your partner in the null category because you don't want town to vote them out, unsure on Esooa though, but because Esooa always defends her partners, I'm more inclined to town-read her)Ace TMI town, HK TMI town, LoS TMI town (p#522 - just "Ace is town" for Ace, "HK is town" for HK, and trying to find justification to town-read LoS is town-indicative for LoS)I also think it's quite unlikely Cargo would put his partner, Rask, in the "I want to vote them" pile with only one town member, so Rask should be town.Tim w/w (p#529 - hedge is )
    TLDR:Town (random order):AceCemeteriesRaskCapHollowKinda ??? rn:LoSEsooa (but she's nearer to town than LoS is)Partner(s):Tim
    1. Sigh...Igno, why do I start off day one with my first read as "Csargo wolf" then end the day voting for Csargo if Csargo and I are partners?2. That aside, can you step me through the Raskol read there? You are saying Raskol and Csargo are not pack together? If that's solid that's important.
    1. I'm pretty sure I've not played with you enough to know/remember if you defend your partners. I'm very well known to have a hard time remembering things 2. So likeAt p#230, the reasoning for why I feel it's possible to be w/w with Cargo is similar to the reasoning I had given for p#15 & p#95 - it's more common than I thought for two wolves to try to communicate with each other, even if the conversation is NAI in the sense that there's no content being made/discussed, it's still communication and therefore people who read into spew will go "oh yeah they're not partners no need to worry"But this is less likely to be because of p#518 - it feels like Cargo is using someone else's post to justify his vote on Rask, which I think would be less likely if Rask was wolf as well. A wolf can get a post of their partner's and say what's wrong with it without needing justification from someone else's post.I also consider p#522 for an indication that Rask is town - Cargo only put Rask and Deaf, a dead town member, into his PoE. I don't think he would risk his partner that much without another mis-elimination before his partner, therefore leading me to conclude that Rask is town that is set up for mis-elimination.
    K thanx...Radish I think made a stronger case, but you reenforce each other so good.


    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1735)
    Putting this at the top so people read it @Ace Marvel You think I'm a good player? I'm confirmed town. Sheep me. Read below if you really need more @hollowkatt You yourself have found Tim to make extremely wolfy posts this game. HE HASN'T $%#!ING CLAIMED. He's literally just saying random, vague bull$%#! like he has all game cause that's harder to read into @ignoramus U should sheep me too
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#219)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#204)
    personally I love DEAF
    Me too. Hope he's town.
    Weird as $%#! post
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#248)
    Time for a public service announcement...the post cap here has NO lift for EoD. This calls for a certain discipline in post count that I have not demonstrated, and anyone who has more posts than me (lookin' at you Raskol) should certainly take note as well.I will see you guys in my physical world of tomorrow.
    Scummy post
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#403)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#385)
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#240)
    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#238)
    Your modus operandi is trying too hard. Feels like you want to appear to be Town, rather than just being Town.Reasons are cool, but in the face of a mafia flip, what else actually matters more than that? Do you legitimately think I'm 'shielding' Esooa? Doesn't that claim feel as fake as your solving?
    NotFrog, Raskol has the right amount of paranoia about me for a t!Raskol that doesn't know what I am, and a w!Raskol would know I was town and generally just stay clear of me until he got a chance to NK me because I have a real clear pattern of killing him regardless of our alignments. I'll be looking deeper later, but for now I'd just go with Raskol being town and work from there.
    This read doesn't really make sense cause I don't see him having any desire to kill Raskol, so it kinda negates itself
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#248)
    Time for a public service announcement...the post cap here has NO lift for EoD. This calls for a certain discipline in post count that I have not demonstrated, and anyone who has more posts than me (lookin' at you Raskol) should certainly take note as well.I will see you guys in my physical world of tomorrow.
    This read as performative, along with his reads earlier too
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#219)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#204)
    personally I love DEAF
    Me too. Hope he's town.
    Such as this. Like ????
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#149)
    Okay, so I lied. I have a wolf read, but it's kinda weak. So while I was at the store I decided to just admit that and sheep, because I do have a pretty strong town lean. Much to my annoyance they are voting someone I am just not gonna vote, so can't sheep them.So for now I'll just unvote and go do some more stuff. Maybe by the time I get back they will make a decent vote.##Unvote Cemeteries
    and this
    This is too lame a case for w!Esooa maybe?Like if Esooa honest to goodness thinks that as a wolf she is going to get me mischopped she does a better effort?Although she does really like that word salad staple "performative." What does that even mean in this context? Is she so hooked on "if I call it performative maybe silly towns just figure "must be bad" and roll with it"?Anyway, specifically on the Raskol read...there is absolutely nothing wrong with that read. If Raskol was wolfing here he'd have been more distant instead of play sussing at me during the RVS, because he knows that I frequently jump directly to playing the real game (as town) and might go after him. If he were wolf he'd know I was town, and he doesn't need to poke the bear there as a wolf. I stand by that read.
    Tim calls performative word salad here (notable later)
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#417)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#407)
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#403)
    Anyway, specifically on the Raskol read...there is absolutely nothing wrong with that read. If Raskol was wolfing here he'd have been more distant instead of play sussing at me during the RVS, because he knows that I frequently jump directly to playing the real game (as town) and might go after him. If he were wolf he'd know I was town, and he doesn't need to poke the bear there as a wolf. I stand by that read.
    What's your in game relationship with Raskol? I was under the impression that you always tried to get him killed regardless? Or was the "always try to get him killed" thing not a real thing but an exaggerated "I usually try to get him killed"I'm just confused because when people say stuff like "LA always claims cop" he always does it regardless of specificsAlso, I don't like CuteKittie's leading question of "when you have ever been correct on scumreading me?" into me answering when I have, into them saying why that's not valid, into them saying they never have so, if they never have what is the intention of this question to begin with ?? I'm not sure if this is something which is particularly scummy coming from them, but I want to point it out
    When I am a wolf I take great joy in mischopping him...when he is a wolf if I catch him I chop him...if neither of us is a wolf I have a bad record of tunneling him and getting him killed. The point being, in a head to head thunderdome with me he is usually gonna die, so if he is a wolf he is gonna avoid me and NK me, not goof around sussing at me in RVS.As to my "gaudy ways"...you say this as if there's something wolfy about it? Is there? If so, what? Or is this just another type of word lettuce for the salad? "Performative" is totally meaningless, but you say it as if it's bad and you maybe get some traction with...let's gently call them the shallower fish...move on to "gaudy" which in this context is just as meaningless and maybe you get a little more traction. If your objective is to make your wolf bones by getting me mischopped the effort is wasted because your wolf rep is already secured...but it does seem a lot like the same play you made against Mac in Stormtossed. Did you rand wolf twice in a row and think you wouldn't have to update from a successful strat?
    Spends two whole paragraphs going on about various ways he can discredit my read, asking what's wolfy about it when if he's played more than 3 games (he has) he should know, saying my objective is to "make my wolf bones," comparing it to pushing Mac in Stormtossed which makes no sense because in Stormtossed I pushed El day 1 to get a better lynch. The Mac comparison makes no sense and is just more notable, but he's not really trying to compare my games to each other
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#539)
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    @MarluxionYou made a kind of bald statement in P#501. When people ISO you later in the game they are gonna have to work to identify who that read is about, because the ISO will take it out of context. Would you mind specifying who has been genuinely solving instead of trying to blend in? By the way, is that something you typically look for? Like, if someone seems to be posting a lot, bomb throwing at the thread for reactions, not seeming to GAF about picking up some bad wolf reads or even a few early votes you take that as towny play?
    I was answering the turtle's questions about hollowkatand yes, it's the main thing i look for on day 1actual solving vs fake solving
    Okay cool. That is a good solid thing to look for on day one.So, could you take a minute and specify what about my solving you have thought was "fake"? You are voting me, and I've certainly put plenty of solving into the thread so presumably you think dome or all of it is fake. When I flip town and people are looking for spew from people who either sussed me or pretended to just so they could try to mischop me we'll want you as thoroughly on the record as possible.
    Tim says "the main thing i look for on day 1actual solving vs fake solving" is a good solid thing to look for on day one... Tim, are you really expecting people to not realize that when I call reads "showy" and "gaudy" I'm not talking about literally exactly this? You are fake solving? Are you ignoring the fact I literally described what you did as such? Cause while you're here, telling Marl that looking for this is good, you're telling me it's bad. You also ask him to describe everything exactly that he finds to be fake; this isn't necessary for people to do for their read on you to be justified. You're again trying to discredit it, and you do this by raising the bar for effort required to scum read you past what is actually reasonable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#580)
    Quote Originally Posted by Csargo (#571)
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#551)
    @Csargo, would you mind spelling out these bad raisins? I mean, Raskol seems to be picking up his fair share of wolf reads, so I might be wrong, but I think my reasoning was pretty good. I also think that whether my reasoning was good or bad, I am pretty reliable for re-evaluting my town reads and this heavy focus on trying to have a big day one discussion about it is a distraction.My wolf read on you is a lot more important, because it could have serious day one consequences. It seems to me like I provided a lot less raisins overall, and probably weaker. Yet she showed no interest in discrediting me for that read. Almost like she thought the less it was talked about the better.In fact, she seems to have no inclination to talk about you at all. Seems kinda strange with you being a lead wagon that she isn't weighing in, don't you think?
    Your reasons were that Rask would avoid you and Nk you right? That's what I remember anyways. That's a pretty you focused read, that only applies to you reading Rask. Can't expect other people to say "yeah cool Rask is town because Tims said so". Correct me if I'm wrong obviously, but that's what I recall your basic point to DNF being.As far as Essoa, I can't tell you, because I have no idea about Essoa. Maybe they know nothing about me and have no idea if your read is valid. Could be any number of reasons. Maybe they think your read on me is valid and your read on Rask is not. I can't really tell you.
    I'm not trying to tell people how to read Raskol, I'm just saying how I read Raskol and why. Someday fairly soon I will be a dead townie and a few people are gonna be looking at what I said about everyone with a little more depth, so I make things as clear as I can.Esooa working so hard to make sure that me and Raskol are viable chops screams wolf to me. In her last wolf game she went after Mac the same way, and even though she couldn't get him chopped the constant grinding meant that when she got around to NKing him there had never been a solid willingness to credit his reads across the town...he was dead, promptly forgotten, and even though he had the solve town immediately got lost.
    Cool. It screams wolf to you. I'm not wolf, I'm confirmed town. Unfortunate you can't continue to reiterate this point, as you did day 1, isn't it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#617)
    Quote Originally Posted by Csargo (#608)
    If you yeet me into the sun today I don't have to continue fighting this seemingly losing battle going forward, it's not very enjoyable tbh.
    Sorry, I know being dug into is no fun. But if you are town be confident that if I dig hard enough I will find you.What do you think of pulling a "two top wagons join forces to push Esooa" play here? Is there anything you see that really says "no Esooa is just town protecting me because she genuinely believes I am town off the strength of her reads"?I mean, if you're town it seems odd that she's the only one who seems to really know it. Everybody wants to argue with me about my town read on Raskol like I'm either a country bumpkin or just a wolf...but my wolf read on you has been met with shrugs at best.
    Extremely weird turn-around on Csargo
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    I like his tone and he's reacting well every time he's pressured. His interactions with me I thought could be pocket-y at first but I'm self aware enough to know that I'm a bad pocket target. In particular, he didn't need to defend my post about HK if he were a wolf because that would only spew me town if he flipped. I think his interaction with Tim early on is more likely a town tell than a scum one because it's scummy, I get that, but it would be super weird for scum to do. I think stuff like the sheeping Capage post is also towny because I don't see why a scum who is the top wagon with nobody defending then would then do something so scummy.Also meta but every game I remember reading with Csargo as town had Csargo as a consensus D1 scumread. I don't like how he is so widely scumread with no defenders and 4 votes which seems out of proportion for the arguments against him.
    You think no one is defending Csargo? I hard sus him and presto I have a pretty serious wagon on me despite being my typical "probably town but never escapes his wolf range" self that any respectable mafia player knows town should leave for later.Something for you to consider, or not to consider, your choice...the game reads very differently when you are in it.
    I would be surprised if the wagons weren't t/t honestly.
    Day one they usually are.
    Again continuing this with implying the wagons, which includes Csargo, are t/t
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#655)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#634)
    is there a reason you're going completely out of your way to needlessly assume I scum read you because of some perceived relation to csargo? Also, how about the fact I didn't give a $%#! to push you and was just explaining my read on you, when, y'know, it was useful for the conversation
    Well, it fits the objective facts. I have done basically two things; TRed Raskol, and WRed Csargo. And you ahve gone off a deep end of wolf reading me for...something, I assume? So that something is one of those two things.TRing Raskol is just flat not wolfy. It might be wrong, but it is certainly not wolfy regardless of Raskol's alignment. If w!Raskol why in hell would w!Tim establish a tie to bind us together? Raskol's a big boy, w!Tim would count on w!Raskol to navigate day one on his own. If t!Raskol a w!Tim would be setting him up for a future mischop. I have a lot of experience with that, so why would w!me establish a TR that would make that harder?So, your efforts to make the Raskol TR look like why you wolf read me appear forced, and the reason you are wolf reading me is something else...and there's only one other thing I have done...ergo, you are defending Csargo. The question is; why?
    I've at this point explained multiple times why I think Tim is wolfy. He doesn't care. He doesn't engage with it. He doesn't acknowledge it. He says "there's only one other thing I have done...ergo, you are defending Csargo. The question is; why?"This isn't a misunderstanding, he is INTENTIONALLY misreading the situation to discredit my read on him and try to paint it as wolfy. "Tim has $%#!ty, fake, contrived posts and reads" can't be construed as wolfy. Him completely ignoring that and accusing me of defending Csargo? That can be
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#670)
    @LordArgonYou voted me "for the tie." This is typical of you, and I'm not wolf reading you for it, but I wanna point out what makes it bad play. You have, in the past, made similar early in the day "for the votecount" votes and then never come back to change them and ended up at EoD on what amounted to a vanity wagon. This is bad town, and easy to simulate as wolf. It is very likely that by EoD I am not gonna be a realistic chop candidate so your vote is at best gonna be a hanger on vanity wagon sort of thing if you just let it ride.Ignore this message if you are actually gonna be around for EoD, but if you aren't gonna be go ahead and take the thread temperature and try to give us a clear vote position statement we might be able to clear you off of.
    HK pointed this out buttf is this post
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    not wanting me in f3 isn't a reason to kill me day 1
    I sympathize. No one ever wants me in F3 because I always could be a wolf. Now...why are you thinking you want to chop me on day one again?
    my reasons aren't related to your potential wolf game or town game but finding you scummy this game. You're welcome to change my mind
    You'd have to clearly state some sort of objective reasoning behind this "finding me scummy." Word salads heavy on "performative" and "gaudy" don't cut it. What have I done, and why would w!Tim do those things. That's where you need to be.
    More insane discrediting, saying "You'd have to clearly state some sort of objective reasoning behind this 'finding me scummy.'"When has this ever been the requirement for wolf reading or pushing someone? How does this even make sense? What the hell are objective reasons for finding things scummy? They don't exist, Tim doesn't think they exist, he doesn't act like they exist. He emphasizes, again, that I "use words" to distill my point, rather than typing out paragraphs. Calling things performative is just effective communication, Tim.
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    I'm a better townie than a wolf imotown reads for being a good town: nonewolf reads for being a good wolf: manychance of being town > chance of being wolf @CuteKittie life is pain
    For the record, you are being wolf read primarily because you are making a very hard push for a very bad chop. It would almost pass as too wolfy to be a wolf if it weren't for you not only being a good wolf, but a good wolf that just played the exact same strategy. You got a pass for your push on Mac because people gave it the "a wolf would let this go since he is just town"...but you can't count on that every time.
    Brah you are not in a position to be judging whether you are or are not a bad chop. From my perspective you are the scummiest person here. If that is incorrect that is fine but you need to be aware that you are in fact not the beacon of towniness you are purporting to be, certainly not to the degree where Esooa pushing on you makes her outed mafia to you. That is a terrible reason to be pushing her back honestly.
    I'm wolfy AF...I always am. That has nothing to do with the situation. Esooa's push and how she is making it is the question. I TRed Raskol...and she says "bad reasons." Okay, great, but so what? Why the $%#! does alleged w!Tim fake a TR on Raskol in the first hours of day one? Raskol's actual alignment being a non-factor here since there is no reason for w!me to do that no matter what.So we are down to what? Tone? You want to ride a "oh, tone" read to day one chopping me, knock yourself out, but if you are town you will be throwing because there are more than enough town floating around who will be more than happy to be mislead into chopping their way through that wagon. So, bad chop unless you are bloody dead sure I am really a wolf this game. Do you feel qualified to claim that certainty?
    Tim continues, this $%#!ing far into the day, not being capable of understanding my read on him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#842)
    A'ight...I'll be back in a few hours to make another handful of posts, probably. I think y'all should privately answer two questions for yourselves in preparation for tomorrow.1) If this thing really does somehow come down to Tim thunderdoming with Esooa, which way should I vote?This question is blistering important because if town chops a villager there it is going to need all the information it can get to recover and you have to be on record one way or the other and be conversant with the arguments for and against your position.2) When the "holy $%#!, these are both top posters who are gonna make $%#! happen and probably ruin the wolves if they are town, WTF are we doing" cold feet set in, as they inevitably will, and town is frantically looking for an alternative and the wolves are pushing for "anyone but one of us" you do not want to be having a last minute panic session, so answer "which of the actual likely chops really has a better than most shot for being a wolf?"Have fun nerds.
    This reads exactly like a wolf scared he's going to die
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    @Timsup2nothin Work with me. What does the world we're both town look like? Personally, like I've said, I'm struggling to find it. Help me out?
    It looks a lot like this one, we're just more confused, and one of us is probably dead.
    Okay, so I'm a little bit not able to process things thanks to the alcohol in my body, can you explain who you think is wolf in the world I'm wolf, and how that changes if I'm not wolf, and say who you want to vote in the world I'm not wolf? Maybe we can reach an agreement, and vote someone in the world were not wolves, eh?
    If you are a wolf then I was right, and I think for the right reasons, and my wolf read on Csargo tilted the wolf room. That seems more likely to me than w!Esooa coming out swinging hard at me early just to save t!Csargo for later.In a world where you are town I take a really hard look at Raskol.
    He says here he takes a really hard look at Raskol, yet now that I'm confirmed town he doesn't. He doesn't care
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#981)
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    Esooa, Tim. If you successfully lynch the other and they flip town where do you go from there?(Esooa feel free to respond to this in another post you were making anyway).
    Depends. The key point being that I can't chop Esooa. As they say, it takes a village. If Esooa gets chopped, and flips town, there will be people who went along for good reasons, people who went along for bad reasons, and people who went along for no reasons. I would sort them out and see what I had.
    I think my wording was pretty poor but yeah, thanks. On the opposite side of the spectrum, where do you look next if Esooa flips scum?
    In a vacuum, Csargo.Not in a vacuum, again there would be people involved in the chop in various ways...a counterwagon, maybe more than one...who was on the wagon pushing, who was riding...who was out of place...But Csargo would be a starting point for me, probably.
    He says here Csargo would be the starting point if I were a wolf. But I'm not, yet Tim doesn't consider this at all in his progression towards EoD, and he doesn't today. He continues pushing Csargo for the reasoning of Csargo acting, what, weird for a towny with a bpv? Is your expectation that every towny plays perfectly optimally, Tim? Is that "objectively scummy"
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#1153)
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    i'm salty
    Often happens when you've made a terrible play...but how to play a mason role is a discussion for post game. For now, drop the dumb "you didn't know my mason partner was town so must be wolves" analysis and find a wolf.
    Tim switches his preferred method of discrediting to saying "find a wolf" without actually talking about any reads on him
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    i'm salty
    Often happens when you've made a terrible play...but how to play a mason role is a discussion for post game. For now, drop the dumb "you didn't know my mason partner was town so must be wolves" analysis and find a wolf.
    i stand by my earlier take of Rask's iso is literally just coasting and no actual analysisbut esooa is convinced you are a wolf
    She's entitled...though her being convinced is 95% OMGUS and 5% alcohol and she'll be embarrassed about that later. But being masons makes her town, it doesn't make her right.For the record, Esooa caught me pretty handily when I wolfed against her...problem being that she has also "caught" me basically every time I have towned with her too.
    Calls it omgus when I wolf read him first, and have valid reasons to outside of omgus, and says "problem being that she has also "caught" me basically every time I have towned with her too.["which makes no $%#!ing senseThe one time he was town with me, I town read him. Other than that, he hasn't been town with me. So ????
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    So you see my concern?
    I see it, I just think it's reachy.When you step into their shoes and then look at something they probably haven't you can't make reads based on how they should be reacting to it.Even when you point it out, the predictable response is always "huh, haven't looked at that" and maybe they do look at it or maybe they don't.
    Well, if I'm Rask or Capage, and I town read the other, the conclusion should be TURBO ACE INTO THE SUN!!!
    Only if they trust their town reads that far, first of all...and Raskol has never met a town read that he didn't tinfoil and fret about every five minutes.I think we just flip Capage and make this whole theory have some tangibility.That said...right about shortly I expect the DADV concerns to start cropping up, so which LHF are we going to frantically switch to?
    Closer to Eod, Tim continuously talks about lynching Capage a lot, which... what? That came out of no where. No progression on Csargo here. No looking into Raskol here.
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    Wiml, you just got in my head.REALESE ZE DRAGON VEEHLS!
    Whatever you do, do not google 'dragon car'...there are things that cannot be unseen.I'm oppressed by the DADV but I can't shake the feeling that Capage is as good a shot for a hit as any and better than most...
    Continues on Capage for no reason
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#1356)
    ##Vote Csargo
    Then just suddenly switches to Csargo???? Hello?
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#1395)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1392)
    Csargo is not a good option for today.
    Why?
    More of his pointless reading on Csargo, asking people stuff like "why" rather than actually pushing Csargo like he did CapageDo I need more?
    I'm willing to sheep you but I want Cargo gone first

    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#1857)
    I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move##Vote Esooa


    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1891)
    Just a question: how common are scum mason claims, particularly ones that claim on D1 and are very tightly knit before that?
    I've heard of woof mason claims being pretty common, but not on D1
    And I think being very tightly knit is based on whether or not the two people involved in the claim are familiar/comfortable with each other

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1950)
    Why is your vote not on Tim, what reasons
    Because I honestly want to go Cargo first
    I'm pretty sure if we flip him we can get extra info, especially on Tim
    But I'm willing to compromise

    ##Vote Timsup2nothin
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    Completed 1. I'm pretty sure I've not played with you...

    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#1664)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#1660)
    Possible w/w with Tim? (p#15 to p#95 - feels like two woofs going "yes we are conversing with each other therefore We Are Not Woofs Together")

    Possible w/w with LoS but less likely IMO (p#153 - trying to help out a newer woof?)


    More likely w/w with Tim (p#193 - more on Tim's response than Cargo's, because Tim is going "dude stop they'll read into this" while Cargo is going "nah they won't, trust me" which is big )


    Ace TMI town? (p#217 - feels like he let it slip that Ace isn't his partner, at least)


    Possible w/w with Rask??? Don't know since it seems less likely than Tim/Cargo (p#230 - look at my reasoning for p#15 to p#95)


    I doubt Cemeteries/Cargo w/w team (p#311)


    Rask/Cargo highly unlikely to be partners (p#518 - feels like sloppy justification to vote someone, which feels like Rask is town)


    Cap/Cargo maybe unaligned??? (p#518 - feels like using a town's post to justify voting another town, which is more common than using your buddy's post to justify, I think, so >rand town for Cap)


    Tim definitely w/w (p#522 - "Tim's slightly better than null" is pretty much putting your partner in the null category because you don't want town to vote them out, unsure on Esooa though, but because Esooa always defends her partners, I'm more inclined to town-read her)


    Ace TMI town, HK TMI town, LoS TMI town (p#522 - just "Ace is town" for Ace, "HK is town" for HK, and trying to find justification to town-read LoS is town-indicative for LoS)


    I also think it's quite unlikely Cargo would put his partner, Rask, in the "I want to vote them" pile with only one town member, so Rask should be town.


    Tim w/w (p#529 - hedge is )

    TLDR:
    Town (random order):
    Ace
    Cemeteries
    Rask
    Cap
    Hollow

    Kinda ??? rn:
    LoSEsooa (but she's nearer to town than LoS is)

    Partner(s):
    Tim
    1. Sigh...Igno, why do I start off day one with my first read as "Csargo wolf" then end the day voting for Csargo if Csargo and I are partners?

    2. That aside, can you step me through the Raskol read there? You are saying Raskol and Csargo are not pack together? If that's solid that's important.
    1. I'm pretty sure I've not played with you enough to know/remember if you defend your partners. I'm very well known to have a hard time remembering things
    2. So like
    At p#230, the reasoning for why I feel it's possible to be w/w with Cargo is similar to the reasoning I had given for p#15 & p#95 - it's more common than I thought for two wolves to try to communicate with each other, even if the conversation is NAI in the sense that there's no content being made/discussed, it's still communication and therefore people who read into spew will go "oh yeah they're not partners no need to worry"
    But this is less likely to be because of p#518 - it feels like Cargo is using someone else's post to justify his vote on Rask, which I think would be less likely if Rask was wolf as well. A wolf can get a post of their partner's and say what's wrong with it without needing justification from someone else's post.
    I also consider p#522 for an indication that Rask is town - Cargo only put Rask and Deaf, a dead town member, into his PoE. I don't think he would risk his partner that much without another mis-elimination before his partner, therefore leading me to conclude that Rask is town that is set up for mis-elimination.
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    Completed Possible w/w with Tim? (p#15 to p#95 - feels like...

    Possible w/w with Tim? (p#15 to p#95 - feels like two woofs going "yes we are conversing with each other therefore We Are Not Woofs Together")

    Possible w/w with LoS but less likely IMO (p#153 - trying to help out a newer woof?)


    More likely w/w with Tim (p#193 - more on Tim's response than Cargo's, because Tim is going "dude stop they'll read into this" while Cargo is going "nah they won't, trust me" which is big )


    Ace TMI town? (p#217 - feels like he let it slip that Ace isn't his partner, at least)


    Possible w/w with Rask??? Don't know since it seems less likely than Tim/Cargo (p#230 - look at my reasoning for p#15 to p#95)


    I doubt Cemeteries/Cargo w/w team (p#311)


    Rask/Cargo highly unlikely to be partners (p#518 - feels like sloppy justification to vote someone, which feels like Rask is town)


    Cap/Cargo maybe unaligned??? (p#518 - feels like using a town's post to justify voting another town, which is more common than using your buddy's post to justify, I think, so >rand town for Cap)


    Tim definitely w/w (p#522 - "Tim's slightly better than null" is pretty much putting your partner in the null category because you don't want town to vote them out, unsure on Esooa though, but because Esooa always defends her partners, I'm more inclined to town-read her)


    Ace TMI town, HK TMI town, LoS TMI town (p#522 - just "Ace is town" for Ace, "HK is town" for HK, and trying to find justification to town-read LoS is town-indicative for LoS)


    I also think it's quite unlikely Cargo would put his partner, Rask, in the "I want to vote them" pile with only one town member, so Rask should be town.


    Tim w/w (p#529 - hedge is )

    TLDR:
    Town (random order):
    Ace
    Cemeteries
    Rask
    Cap
    Hollow

    Kinda ??? rn:
    LoSEsooa (but she's nearer to town than LoS is)

    Partner(s):
    Tim
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    Completed Fair enough™️

    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#1657)
    i usually discount 3p as a possibility unless it's explicitly said that they exist
    Fair enough™️
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    Completed I'm just going to take this derp and put LoS into...

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1406)
    No deaths? I think it's obvious that a protective role was probably on Esooa then.
    I'm just going to take this derp and put LoS into my town-core tbh

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1489)
    I don't think Csargo is the mafia day vig specifically for two reasons:

    1. Csargo is bulletproof. LA was slightly less so.
    2. I can see Csargo's teammates killing Cute Kittie but I don't see Csargo himself being enthusiastic to kill one if the two people who read him town (although this argument is definitely weaker than 1).
    I'm kinda residing in WIFOM-land rn with the assumption that Cargo's teammates could have killed Kitty because they town-read Cargo in hopes of Cargo possibly being able to be saved because of legacy stuff
    Will be looking through his posts for spew to see who his partners could be

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#1495)
    If we assume Csargo isn't the day vig then we are getting a huge amount of profiling info about a scum here.
    ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#1554)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1553)
    I don't think Ceme is a wolf
    I tend to agree...announcing "yay I have time" and then slanking anyway is a town move.
    Especially from Ceme, and especially if Csargo is a wolf

    which makes me think Csargo is not a wolf
    Explain to me like I'm a five year old please and thank you
    I get the Cemeteries Meta thing, but the Cargo part is a big ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#1629)
    @ignoramus @Cemeteries

    Maybe we have the wolves penned in and maybe we don't...but if we don't this game might hinge on choosing which of you is town and you have got to help with that.

    We specifically need you to comment on Radishes, Csargo, and Raskol.
    Radishes is, for me, >rand town. I'm not very confident on this read, but I think he would've stepped up by now if he were woof.
    I have to read more of Rasks's posts, but as of the moment I think he's woof. I haven't seen the signature "Rask biting onto something and never letting go" that I always see from town!Rask.
    Cargo is a null to woof-read of mine. It's more of him being there because almost everyone else except for Marl is more townie, and also because of my guess that Kitty was killed in hopes of Cargo being able to live longer because Kitty's impromptu legacy post had Cargo as town.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#1636)
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    holy $%#!
    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#1637)
    so basically argo is likely spewed town here
    putting a town day vigilante in a setup with bulletproof mafia is not only anti-fun but extremely sadistic
    ..maybe? But I think there's a possibility of 3p with bulletproof vest, just in worst case scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Marluxion (#1644)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#1642)
    @Csargo can u claim
    he said earlier he had a vest but i'm not sure if that's his entire role or not
    Could be vanilla, could be 3p
    That's just role stuff though so I'm not gonna pay attention to it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#994)
    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#849)
    Quote Originally Posted by CuteKittie (#432)
    Igno is hello town btw
    Explanations would be greatly appreciated!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#435)
    Cemeteries
    Quote Originally Posted by Cemeteries (#115)
    why the $%#! are you issuing someone after two seconds lmaoooo
    Quote Originally Posted by Cemeteries (#120)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#118)
    did you read his last post?This Just In: Cemeteries hates fun
    This Just In: hollowkatt doesn't know what a Joke™ is Checkmate
    Quote Originally Posted by Cemeteries (#262)
    Hk just feels like he doesn’t care much about what other people think about his reads and $%#! and I like that. Very townie.
    Lots of Cem-HK interactions and Cem repeating that they read HK town later on. I doubt this is a w/w team, especially if they don't usually interact this way in general. Cem's reaction to the early joke ISO is more extreme than I would expect from a townsperson. Final quote reads as pocket-y.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cemeteries (#271)
    Okay yeah i’m reading through Cute’s ISO and it’s already rubbing me the wrong way. Feels like they’re trying to match thread temperature and seek other’s approval, more of something i believe a wolf would do. Especially towards the start of the game when trying to get comfortable.
    This feels like completely the opposite of how Cute was playing (memey, twtbaw). Disagree with the reasoning of this read totally. I think it's a bad look.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cemeteries (#272)
    Lord is town
    I have no idea how you can get such a strong read on LA right now, please explain your thought process here to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cemeteries (#273)
    with 18 posts Radish still finds a way to talk about nothing
    Throws shade but doesn't follow up. Cem, do you think this is alignment indicative?
    Quote Originally Posted by Cemeteries (#286)
    all of my reads are wrong 1000% i am not good at mafia
    Don't worry, I am here to make you look good by comparison!
    Quote Originally Posted by Cemeteries (#300)
    esooa and i are mindmelding again i hope you aren’t pocketing me esooa
    Also feels pocket-y and not very genuine.I think this person is clearly wolfy so far. I'd like to see more of what they were thinking on some of their reads.
    I'm gonna answer my reason as to why I town-lean Argon atmHe's more relaxed, which is indicative of randing town.He tends to try-hard when woof.
    Quote Originally Posted by Capage (#509)
    Hello,so some page 1 impressions. Frog could be a wolf, Rask could be his partner for the way he responded to him. Ceme could be spewed town by votes landing on her or their partner. I'm probably wrong.
    So likeThe not-consensus-y reads make me feel good about youBut the hedgeThe hedge is too strong
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#564)
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#553)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#550)
    I shouldn't have to explain this but apparently I do. ok, Wiml states a wolf lean on me a few posts before this (from them, not from the entire thread), so I question him about it. The response I get is "you're tonally a wolf" and "you're voting my town reads". If we're deeper into the game these reads might make a lot more sense, as we'll have removed some wolfy people. He's accusing me of not having meaningful progression and yet I can point to several drastic shifts in my llamas list (that he also pointed out that he liked). He also says he has high expectations of me as a powerwolf, which is interesting b/c I'm pretty sure we haven't played together before. And finally, he says that this is how he'd expect powerwolfing HK to be playing, which is like just no.
    Be careful about Wiml...you've never played together but I estimate that they have carefully followed several of your games. There can be a dissonance in them knowing you a lot better than you know them.
    this sketches me the $%#! out ngl for like multiple reasons1: someone coming into the game knowing more about me than I do them is skeevy (see DEAF in that game)2: you bringing that up in this way is skeevy b/c all you're saying here is "watch your step HK" and not "hey, maybe you're wrong" or "hey, maybe you could take a step back and think about why/how Wiml is getting there"
    I myself think it's mildly townie for Tim? Don't know if this should be NAI for him but he's trying to make you see things in someone else's POV, which feels pretty townie.
    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#567)
    The sheer variety of players appealing to HK via interactions-> HK is spew clearedFite me
    🤝
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#617)
    Quote Originally Posted by Csargo (#608)
    If you yeet me into the sun today I don't have to continue fighting this seemingly losing battle going forward, it's not very enjoyable tbh.
    Sorry, I know being dug into is no fun. But if you are town be confident that if I dig hard enough I will find you.What do you think of pulling a "two top wagons join forces to push Esooa" play here? Is there anything you see that really says "no Esooa is just town protecting me because she genuinely believes I am town off the strength of her reads"?I mean, if you're town it seems odd that she's the only one who seems to really know it. Everybody wants to argue with me about my town read on Raskol like I'm either a country bumpkin or just a wolf...but my wolf read on you has been met with shrugs at best.
    1. Cargo's post feels like he's given up, which is reminiscent of most woofs. I don't know the context, but this doesn't feel good, especially in a vacuum.2. Tim's reaction to this post could be a w trying to encourage their w partner to not give up, but then again could also be Tim just encouraging Cargo irregardless of both of their alignments. What is the use for this point? Nothing - I'm just trying to think if it's more town AI or woof AI.
    Quote Originally Posted by Csargo (#625)
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#617)
    Quote Originally Posted by Csargo (#608)
    If you yeet me into the sun today I don't have to continue fighting this seemingly losing battle going forward, it's not very enjoyable tbh.
    Sorry, I know being dug into is no fun. But if you are town be confident that if I dig hard enough I will find you.What do you think of pulling a "two top wagons join forces to push Esooa" play here? Is there anything you see that really says "no Esooa is just town protecting me because she genuinely believes I am town off the strength of her reads"?I mean, if you're town it seems odd that she's the only one who seems to really know it. Everybody wants to argue with me about my town read on Raskol like I'm either a country bumpkin or just a wolf...but my wolf read on you has been met with shrugs at best.
    I don't think Esooa is a woof honestly so I don't want to.She just voted me so...
    Yeah noIf Cargo is w, Esooa is my ride or die town
    Quote Originally Posted by Timsup2nothin (#659)
    Quote Originally Posted by CuteKittie (#650)
    Quote Originally Posted by Csargo (#522)
    I see no way hk is ever bad, and wiml is so pure it hurts. Ace is town. CuteKittie is probably good as well, but that's a real questionable conclusion by me, need to think about it more really. Tims slightly better than null, Essoa too.Everyone else is null or worse. Probably Rask or DNF are currently the people I most want to vote.Feel free to yeet me into the sun.
    Also interesting that Csargo offers no Cemeteries read given Cem was voting on them and had posted itt more recently than I had.Anyways.Csargo is still mafia. Cem probably is too. Probs wanna kill Marluxion now too.
    I'd rather kill Marluxion than Cemetaries.
    Agreed, tbh
    Quote Originally Posted by CuteKittie (#661)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#575)
    I read Csargo pretty strongly as town.
    Okay these two are never partners so let's just dome them?
    DudeWhy???
    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#694)
    Quick summary, 8/15 players underwhelming. Going to say at least 2 mafia in the 8 underwhelmers.'BUT WAAITTTT DEAF, SOME OF THESE PLAYURRS HAVE ALMOST AS MANY POSTS OR MORE THAN YIIIUUUUU!!'- Yes, but its a whole lot of nothing. Quick factors like vote diversity, interaction diversity, follow-up, seem to be lacking in one way or another. So yes, you can have an artificially high post count but still make underwhelmhtlich impact.Town & Active Enough @CemeteriesDEAF @CuteKittie @hollowkattActive Enough But ????? @Esooa @Raskolnikov @Timsup2nothin NEED MORE FROM YOU @Ace Marvel - ??? @Capage - ??? @Csargo - Mafia @ignoramus - ??? @Lord Argon - ??? @Marluxion - Mafia @Master Radishes - Town @Wiml - sheeping HK 4ever, whatever HK says
    Good day!Currently having a break, will be here for five more minutes!
    Quote Originally Posted by Capage (#731)
    I'm still two pages, I have some new reads too. The two most important are Csargo and Tim. I think Csargo made a whole lot of wolfy stuff, but Tim actually feels like making wolfy posts and trying to pocket Rask and other players. I think w!Csargo always get yeeted down the line, but we might have our best shot at flipping w!Tim today.
    I think there's a possiblity of Cap/Tim/Cargo w/w/w team.@ anyone who is familiar with Cap's woof play - does he distance with his partners like this regularly? Does he bus?
    Quote Originally Posted by Capage (#734)
    ^I sent this like ten minutes ago but the site crashed. I have managed to catch up meanwhile. A short summary of my reads:VVVVV - Frog, Ceme, KittieV - Rask, Igno, Esooa, LANULL - Marl, Wiml, Ace, HKW - Csargo, RadishesWW - TimWWWSo, no hard wolfreads yet, but I dislike the manner, in which Tim's trying to dominate the thread and discourage people from even suspecting him or pushing some of his reads onto others.I'm still slightly tilted, because Csargo feels like he's been struggling. But I also managed to misyeet him in a similar situation. ##Vote Timsup2nothin
    Why is Esooa so high up? Same goes for my placementHow is LoS null?
    Quote Originally Posted by Raskolnikov (#758)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#753)
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#751)
    Since when did you have the cred to CFD anyone?
    whenever I want. I'm loud at EoDs
    Most of us will prolly be muted at EOD
    Muted? How?
    Quote Originally Posted by Wiml (#773)
    Currently this is about where I am with everyone:CsargoCemeteries RaskCuteKittieignoramusDEAFinitelyNotFrogTim CapagehollowkattMarluxionAce MarvelEsooaRadishLord Argon
    I'm more of here atmMe! LoS KittyRaskDeafHollowArgonAceMarlRadishCemeteriesTim CapCargoEsooa
    Quote Originally Posted by LordArgon (#793)
    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#792)
    Quote Originally Posted by LordArgon (#791)
    Not on day one. I am absolutely terrible at day one reads, so I just don't do them.
    it'd probably help you to attempt them
    Might help you maybe, but I shall not let myself lead myself astray. And you can't stop me. Also it would mean using meta and I don't know half the people here.
    You know me!! We just played in a game a week ago? I think?What is your read on me?
    Quote Originally Posted by hollowkatt (#795)
    I'm 100% not considering Radish today Esooa. LA is doing LA things and nothing he's doing is alignment indicative. You're highly likely not getting anything out of LA today, and Radish is an incredibly strong player and that buys him a bit of time from me.
    The fact that he's not doing anything AI feels him entering town AI already tbh
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#825)
    Quote Originally Posted by CuteKittie (#817)
    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Marvel (#815)
    OMGlob you are doing literally the same thing you are saying people should not do, because doing it is what not help things get done. AlsoEsooa: "Tim you are wolf not because of you being wolf good"KawaiiMeow: "Tim you are wolf not because of you being wolf good"Even I can see that, and it's not good.If Esooa is a bad kill, so is Tim based on your logic.And the sad part, is I think KawaiiMeow is a town defending at best a null player.
    I am informing Tim that he should not be scumreading Esooa for OMGUS. His logic is bad and he needs to be shown that if he is town so that he can stop tunneling and start being pro town.Esooa's actual alignment is irrelevant to the point. He is not going to curry favour with anyone with a rational mind pushing things like this. The fact that you are buying it is actually rather sus.
    Because everything you are saying that, you are saying my reasoning for voting Esooa is also bad, yet is exactly the same reason Tim votes are bad. Yet you are giving OMGUS pass to some but not to others.Congrats Esooa is not dying today. Sorry Tim.##Unvote Esooa##Vote CuteKittie
    Don't you dareNo one's going to kill KittyAt least not today
    ##Vote Ace Marvel
    I can't believe you asked Capage why I was null on his reads list... amd then forgot me on your own list (I'm guessing you probably used my list of players for reference so don't worry about it).
    Oops
    Sorry!
    I've edited it now
    Goodnight, all!
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    Completed Did I misunderstand this post or Yeah I think I...

    Quote Originally Posted by ignoramus (#883)
    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#857)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#856)
    Synlab 001: Rise of the Guinea Pigs Day 1 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    4 Esooa Timsup2nothin (75), Master Radishes (36), LordArgon (15), hollowkatt (107)
    3 Timsup2nothin Marluxion (21), Esooa (106), Capage (16)
    2 Marluxion Raskolnikov (87), Wiml (64)
    2 CuteKittie Cemeteries (59), Ace Marvel (27)
    1 Raskolnikov Csargo (58)
    1 Wiml DEAFinitelyNotFrog (52)
    1 Cemeteries CuteKittie (109)
    1 Ace Marvel ignoramus (7)

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    Day 1 ends at 4:00 PM EST on Wednesday, February 3rd, 2021. There are 1612386060000 remaining.
    Group Esooa Voters:
    Tim, MR, lord, hollowkatt
    @Timsup2nothin @Master Radishes @LordArgon @hollowkatt

    I think Esooa was worthy of pressure, you accomplished that goal, you backed her into a corner and she blew up like a tea kettle, yes? I'm not sure what more you want, and think you're resting on conf bias rather than readjusting your read there. If you readjust and see it as +50% likely wolf, go for it I guess. But like, if you're that confident there, can you each give me like 6 to 7 Town you're +87.5% confident they're town? I realize you don't NEED to have X confident village reads to have Y confident Mafia reads, but I'm asking you to do this as an exercise please. It would greatly, greatly help solving, at least on my part, to see where the stories and worlds line up.

    Yes, I know that you, Lord, were going for wagon analysis stuff. Cool. Could you still do the exercise please?

    Group Timsup2nothin Voters:
    Marluxion, Esooa, Capage
    @Marluxion
    @Esooa
    @Capage

    Marluxion, we vibing on #486 and #494 looks like not w/w with Wiml, lock that in for the future maybe. I think even from similar world views, voting Tim today in a serious way is probably too risky. You have anyone LHF that could be a wolf or town? Asking because you seem to have a ton of blind spots. Like, a lot. Maybe spotlight conversation with one of them?

    Esooa, I said I would back you onto pushes like this after you got 4mask last game, but do you HAVE to hunt for the white whale on day 1??? You killing me smalls, but I understand your interactions have been hectic to say the least and I don't blame your energy directions right now. 100% understand.

    Capage, #734 I can feel your vibes and I respect it a lot, and I think you can see things from a certain perspective and treat it delicately, which looks pretty amazing for you imo. Easier to put you into town reads now.

    Ah, I like all of you three... maybe I shouldn't discourage you going for Tim. But, I will leave you with this (incomplete) list of players who have pushed Tim:
    HK / Deaf / Rask / Marluxion / LordArgon / Esooa / Cutekittie / Capage

    I'm not saying Tim CANT be Mafia, but I am saying that if he is, his teammates are potatoes while Tim is zazzling with WIM. Is that a fair enough assessment? Can you see why it gives me pause to join you, despite actually finding quite a lot to like about you three?

    Group Marluxion Voters:
    Raskolnikov, Wiml
    @Raskolnikov
    @Wiml

    I thought Marluxion was a hit for underwhelming and want to see them engage with more under the radar players and open up the field, but I don't think their world view of active players is too bad? I think you MIGHT be onto something here.

    Rask, I feel like your approach has been aggressive and/or antagonistic. Would you be able to list the players who you think town read you so far? I'm asking for realsies please. I think your approach is lonely and you could benefit from forming a core of players to accomplish goals, you know? I'm concerned because your behavior may be difficult for Town to join in with, because, antagonistic, and easier for Mafia with TMI to just be like, 'that rask is okay ❤ ' - because it feels easy to pocket you that way if you're Town. Do you understand my concern? So a list of players who town read you would be helpful please!!!!!

    Wiml, I know you said you have taken advantage of pure, but you read so hecking pure to me!!!!! I dunno, but your csargo read feels not good to me. Like. I saw your research on csargo, yes they interact with players, but it's mostly as a responding party, and even then not very much, and too joking for my own taste. I think your read there is either entirely wrong or TMI. @Csargo would like a more nuanced read on Wiml from you please.

    Group CutieKittie Voters:
    Cemeteries, Ace Marvel
    @Cemeteries
    @Ace Marvel

    Really? I feel like this is a pride vote, like, cutiekittie has the broadest range of interactions and takes, literally the top poster, and tons of voting variety. Feels like you're voting on the SLIM chance you're right for prestige rather than treating them for their top tier play. Its one thing to hold someone accountable, its another to just blind vote here, which is what it feels like. CuteKittie is holding themselves accountable, by a huge margin. You can disagree and all be town. Bad vote here. If CuteKittie is mafia, I immediately suspect you Ace IMO for the most nonsensical voting here.

    Cem, we cool, nothing more to say really, I know you're Town.

    Ace, on a personal level I like you and so I'll keep you in the game on that alone, but I have no actual read on you. Should I look at something to read you better? Anything that you could put in your resume of, 'look here, this is town!' ?

    Csargo, already asked you about Wiml. I don't know why I'm thinking Csargo / Rask / Wiml being a thing but it feels lazy?

    @cutiekittie that's literally the only player I will not vote mate, otherwise we Gucci 4ever 9,000

    @ignoramus

    I was surprisingly impressed with you, a lot. If you're Mafia im just not getting you anytime soon. I like your pressure on Ace as well. I like caargo at the bottom of one of your lists, would you consider that as an Ace alternative? Maybe as the counter wagon?




    Peace and love everyone ������ ❤ ������ ������
    @DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    Cargo is a good counter-wagon, yesI'm willing to go him over Ace for today
    ##Vote Csargo
    Did I misunderstand this post or
    Yeah I think I did
    ##Vote Ace Marvel
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    Completed DEAFinitelyNotFrog Cargo is a good...

    Quote Originally Posted by DEAFinitelyNotFrog (#857)
    Quote Originally Posted by Mafia Host (#856)
    Synlab 001: Rise of the Guinea Pigs Day 1 Votecount

    Votes Target Voters (Posts in Phase)
    4 Esooa Timsup2nothin (75), Master Radishes (36), LordArgon (15), hollowkatt (107)
    3 Timsup2nothin Marluxion (21), Esooa (106), Capage (16)
    2 Marluxion Raskolnikov (87), Wiml (64)
    2 CuteKittie Cemeteries (59), Ace Marvel (27)
    1 Raskolnikov Csargo (58)
    1 Wiml DEAFinitelyNotFrog (52)
    1 Cemeteries CuteKittie (109)
    1 Ace Marvel ignoramus (7)

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    Day 1 ends at 4:00 PM EST on Wednesday, February 3rd, 2021. There are 1612386060000 remaining.
    Group Esooa Voters:
    Tim, MR, lord, hollowkatt
    @Timsup2nothin @Master Radishes @LordArgon @hollowkatt

    I think Esooa was worthy of pressure, you accomplished that goal, you backed her into a corner and she blew up like a tea kettle, yes? I'm not sure what more you want, and think you're resting on conf bias rather than readjusting your read there. If you readjust and see it as +50% likely wolf, go for it I guess. But like, if you're that confident there, can you each give me like 6 to 7 Town you're +87.5% confident they're town? I realize you don't NEED to have X confident village reads to have Y confident Mafia reads, but I'm asking you to do this as an exercise please. It would greatly, greatly help solving, at least on my part, to see where the stories and worlds line up.

    Yes, I know that you, Lord, were going for wagon analysis stuff. Cool. Could you still do the exercise please?

    Group Timsup2nothin Voters:
    Marluxion, Esooa, Capage
    @Marluxion
    @Esooa
    @Capage

    Marluxion, we vibing on #486 and #494 looks like not w/w with Wiml, lock that in for the future maybe. I think even from similar world views, voting Tim today in a serious way is probably too risky. You have anyone LHF that could be a wolf or town? Asking because you seem to have a ton of blind spots. Like, a lot. Maybe spotlight conversation with one of them?

    Esooa, I said I would back you onto pushes like this after you got 4mask last game, but do you HAVE to hunt for the white whale on day 1??? You killing me smalls, but I understand your interactions have been hectic to say the least and I don't blame your energy directions right now. 100% understand.

    Capage, #734 I can feel your vibes and I respect it a lot, and I think you can see things from a certain perspective and treat it delicately, which looks pretty amazing for you imo. Easier to put you into town reads now.

    Ah, I like all of you three... maybe I shouldn't discourage you going for Tim. But, I will leave you with this (incomplete) list of players who have pushed Tim:
    HK / Deaf / Rask / Marluxion / LordArgon / Esooa / Cutekittie / Capage

    I'm not saying Tim CANT be Mafia, but I am saying that if he is, his teammates are potatoes while Tim is zazzling with WIM. Is that a fair enough assessment? Can you see why it gives me pause to join you, despite actually finding quite a lot to like about you three?

    Group Marluxion Voters:
    Raskolnikov, Wiml
    @Raskolnikov
    @Wiml

    I thought Marluxion was a hit for underwhelming and want to see them engage with more under the radar players and open up the field, but I don't think their world view of active players is too bad? I think you MIGHT be onto something here.

    Rask, I feel like your approach has been aggressive and/or antagonistic. Would you be able to list the players who you think town read you so far? I'm asking for realsies please. I think your approach is lonely and you could benefit from forming a core of players to accomplish goals, you know? I'm concerned because your behavior may be difficult for Town to join in with, because, antagonistic, and easier for Mafia with TMI to just be like, 'that rask is okay ❤ ' - because it feels easy to pocket you that way if you're Town. Do you understand my concern? So a list of players who town read you would be helpful please!!!!!

    Wiml, I know you said you have taken advantage of pure, but you read so hecking pure to me!!!!! I dunno, but your csargo read feels not good to me. Like. I saw your research on csargo, yes they interact with players, but it's mostly as a responding party, and even then not very much, and too joking for my own taste. I think your read there is either entirely wrong or TMI. @Csargo would like a more nuanced read on Wiml from you please.

    Group CutieKittie Voters:
    Cemeteries, Ace Marvel
    @Cemeteries
    @Ace Marvel

    Really? I feel like this is a pride vote, like, cutiekittie has the broadest range of interactions and takes, literally the top poster, and tons of voting variety. Feels like you're voting on the SLIM chance you're right for prestige rather than treating them for their top tier play. Its one thing to hold someone accountable, its another to just blind vote here, which is what it feels like. CuteKittie is holding themselves accountable, by a huge margin. You can disagree and all be town. Bad vote here. If CuteKittie is mafia, I immediately suspect you Ace IMO for the most nonsensical voting here.

    Cem, we cool, nothing more to say really, I know you're Town.

    Ace, on a personal level I like you and so I'll keep you in the game on that alone, but I have no actual read on you. Should I look at something to read you better? Anything that you could put in your resume of, 'look here, this is town!' ?

    Csargo, already asked you about Wiml. I don't know why I'm thinking Csargo / Rask / Wiml being a thing but it feels lazy?

    @cutiekittie that's literally the only player I will not vote mate, otherwise we Gucci 4ever 9,000

    @ignoramus

    I was surprisingly impressed with you, a lot. If you're Mafia im just not getting you anytime soon. I like your pressure on Ace as well. I like caargo at the bottom of one of your lists, would you consider that as an Ace alternative? Maybe as the counter wagon?




    Peace and love everyone ������ ❤ ������ ������
    @DEAFinitelyNotFrog
    Cargo is a good counter-wagon, yesI'm willing to go him over Ace for today
    ##Vote Csargo
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    Completed IF Cargo is w, you're town, but without flips?...

    Quote Originally Posted by Esooa (#851)
    w-what

    @ignoramus

    can you explain your read on me? In your wall post just now you say I'm ride or die town, then you put me at the bottom of the list lmao
    IF Cargo is w, you're town, but without flips? You're at the bottom
    Sorry for the confusion XD
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Mafia Universe is a community hub for people who enjoy playing the forum variant of Mafia (also known as Werewolf). We offer fully automated Mafia games and a wide variety of customized features crafted to optimize your game experience. We also proudly host the Internet's only database of Mafia/Werewolf communities.

We hope you stick around!
Role of the Day
Joker

The Joker may once per game choose to copy the role (not alignment) of another player. The two will share the exact same role for the rest of the game.