@Spartan057 @Jan You're in!!!
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@Spartan057 @Jan You're in!!!
In for the hype!!!
Here or privately to me is fine, either works!!!am i supposed to respond here @Arapocalypse?
I'll take that as your re-confirmation, anyways!!
Yes, of course!!!!
Not this year, I'm far too busy to do so; sorry!!
Hey hey, this is your reminder/check-in post that Throne Mash II starts on Monday March 8th, in approximately... 4 days!!!!! If you don't acknowledge you're still in, we may have problems later and I will track you down!!)
You can expect the game to be randed sometime late Saturday/early Sunday, depending on timezone!!!
In the meantime, if you're new to mashes you should definitely check out A Beginner's Guide to Excessively Large Games!!! Another great read for anyone, old or new to mashes, is the Intermediate Mash Guide - also useful to know what to keep an eye out for when you're mafia, too!!!
If you have any questions, feel free to ask!! It is time to get hyped!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Lukundo has been signup banned for 3 weeks by request!
Adding everyone else signing up after filling to the reserve list, for joining the game without being a sub - though you can also be a sub too!!
@Luco @Visorslash Okay, if you're sure about that; you did get here first!!!
We are now full, at 54 slots!!!
Subs are always appreciated, if you're still interested in playing!!
I'll be checking back in with everyone late next week, to make sure you're still in to play and get everyone hyped up!!!!
It will be a prequel to Throne Mash!!!
Don't get confused!!
Nice, easy game!!!!!
Pretty much it from me, then!!!!
Stay hyped!!!!!!
GH, I'm still mildly annoyed I didn't end up getting one!!!
This; you/dya still top town, that hasn't really changed!!!
Also, I think it should be notable that both Hollowkatt and I have been hard defending Vector all day; like...
If you think one is mafia then assuming they're spewing Vector town should be a thing!!!!!
Also if you for some reason think we're v/v, shouldn't that actually mean something?
Unless you want to just ignore that, in which case... okay then!!
Quick note for future days: if anyone in my slot says that I said something ridiculous, do not trust that I actually said it!!
On the other hand, every take I have posted from team chat has been 100% what they have been saying!!!!
I mean... yeah I've been pushing the town!Vector case for ages!!!! Also just went through it a bit and I actually don't think their ISO is even that bad when you factor in stuff like... them solving in team chat/continuing to think about stuff!!!Something we can agree on! I like that. Like outside of Ran I'm hard town on Vector. I don't think the energy they're bringing to the thread comes from a wolf, their progressions on things in real time make sense, and they've had some zingers that really resonated with me.Adding on to the bolded, I feel like this is understated; their takes are actually perfectly fine from their perspective of solving in the game, and actually feel like they're coming from a place without TMI!!!!!Here's kinda what Ran and I are thinking:
It distills down to "team unfamiliar with Mist wolf reads Mist, who was wolfsiding, then bailed when vanity. was towny".
We don't find that too suspicious (HK Note: I find that to be townie progression who was accurately sus of a wolfy person even when the slot was town, see also similarities to me addressing vanity. early this gameday with regards to Esooa vs me)
It also speaks to style differences I think. Doing a lot of ISO work it's easy to find vector wolfy, but looking at it in real time, sequentially with the posting going on around it, looks good/seems town.
I think the take that vanity. was obvs town is legit and they bailed off of mist for that reason and finally the pointing out the pocketing, which isn't something ppl often come up with solo
The unspoken things in thread at the time were exactly taht. Van & co being supoer town, others talking to them about the slot. it just looks really town to us.
HK - I think that's the root of my discomfort, we're approaching things completely vastly differently and so when we come to opposing conclusions, and I view yours through the lens of what would I be doing here, I see sus, not town.
Also I feel like a lot of the takes on Vector are in general just like... not liking their takes/not finding them towny enough, and people just can't really get further and expect a ton more for some reason!!!
Like I said to dya, if you're working in ISO land it's easy to see wolf where there isn't one, but watching Vector posting in real time seals the town read for me.
Kajot on the other hand, I've seen her town game and it's amazing. She came into today without a lot of pressure on her and then just fizzled out hard. Her posts today aren't memorable, they're not working towards advancing a solve EVEN IF THAT SOLVE IS WRONG yeah?
Like ok, townies get things wrong a LOT, like a lot a lot. But they're passionate and they make pushes and they learn and re-evaluate and adjust. I am not seeing that from her
Which I actually think is a better look for them, actually!!
Also I need to open that Kajot ISO again!!!
So? Number of posts doesn't necessarily equal how much thread influence someone has, which is pretty obvious!!!he had like 500 posts. Don't you think that should have moved the game along some?Regarding not moving it forward at all... I don't really get that sense? This has been a loud game, and any lack of effect in the thread is not for the lack of trying!!!!!
(Also apparently billy agrees with you but I very much don't agree with his incorrect take here!!)
I feel like the takes they gave were solid and actually trying to do stuff, not my fault the thread was so enamoured with stuff like the TL push for one!!
Saying that everyone who posts a lot as town should have a major effect on the thread is not really a thing in a very active thread like this, anyway, and I'm not sure why you think it is!!!
Did you read my earlier point about us all being in the game for a single day, with a decent chance of never posting directly in the game again?Did you read my G1?Elaborate?
Noting that Hollowkatt's intensity and !!!!!!!!!!! is not exactly something that is missing from his mafia game, and him saying that he's only good for about a day and then drops off later is like... we're only going to be in here for a day, not sure what he's on about!!!
Champs game 1 is a thing and stuff, if you looked into that?
D1 I got flat out caught by Achromatic, managed to weasel out of that, killed him N1 while laying the bus path for Anaxagore.
D2 was all about Anax vs Bloodwolf and we got Bloodwolf in the end.
D3 was literally drive a bus over anaxagore and ride that to the end game.
The only reason I won that game was killing achro, and the only reason I was alive long enough to do that was because Frinckles and Mr Tweetums vouched for me to achro for juuuuust long enough.
I was also much less aggressive, much more "open to working with others", and much more fluid in where I pushed, how i argued, etc.
I think you have my meta wrong ara and you're cherrypicking things that make your case look better.
I was going to talk more about the bolded, but a lot of it's just... you make it really, really difficult to want to engage with with how you push stuff and then like... it feels like the only thing you actually want to work with others on is convincing people that you're town versus how you talk to people about the reads that you have; not really sure you care about discussing reads versus just making other people follow yours!!!
Like, is your argument here that you just straight up don't like working with people as town, and that people should have an in-depth understanding of how you play but just listen to your pushes?
(Also general other meta-dive stuff that I'm not paraphrasing!!)
Adding on to the bolded, I feel like this is understated; their takes are actually perfectly fine from their perspective of solving in the game, and actually feel like they're coming from a place without TMI!!!!!Here's kinda what Ran and I are thinking:vector spent a LOT of time talking about how mistyx pulled attention away from beeboy then pretty immediately dropped it when I mentioned the spew from the beeboy pocket. it didn't feel like real progression. this was something he pushed over many posts
And this is me openly saying I'm a villager. Hi :VShade is indirectly calling someone sus.
This isn't me indirectly calling you sus this is me openly saying you're a wolf. Hi
Well thanks haha.
Yeah, I'll talk a little more about the Hally slot because that was one of my clearer reads from yesterday. I didn't like their chainsawing on MistyX (definitely something I would see a strong scum player doing), but I felt overall that their willingness to take on GH was a good sign. If my meta were the same as Hally's I think I'd be inclined to let GH fall under his own weight and try to keep away from that fight, and I would've focused on Esooa.
If there's anyone in particular you're curious about lmk, I'll be here for a bit.And yeah, I agree, at this point seeing Vanity's coolheadedness I'd probably give the slot a pass for today unless something unignorable happens. I think it's the kind of thing where it's easy for outsiders to misread.
(Dunno about 4mask's excuses, but I'm pretty sure my team's going to let me take point today >_>)
OK, off to do HW for real . . .
It distills down to "team unfamiliar with Mist wolf reads Mist, who was wolfsiding, then bailed when vanity. was towny".
We don't find that too suspicious (HK Note: I find that to be townie progression who was accurately sus of a wolfy person even when the slot was town, see also similarities to me addressing vanity. early this gameday with regards to Esooa vs me)
It also speaks to style differences I think. Doing a lot of ISO work it's easy to find vector wolfy, but looking at it in real time, sequentially with the posting going on around it, looks good/seems town.
I think the take that vanity. was obvs town is legit and they bailed off of mist for that reason and finally the pointing out the pocketing, which isn't something ppl often come up with solo
The unspoken things in thread at the time were exactly taht. Van & co being supoer town, others talking to them about the slot. it just looks really town to us.
HK - I think that's the root of my discomfort, we're approaching things completely vastly differently and so when we come to opposing conclusions, and I view yours through the lens of what would I be doing here, I see sus, not town.
Also I feel like a lot of the takes on Vector are in general just like... not liking their takes/not finding them towny enough, and people just can't really get further and expect a ton more for some reason!!!
Do you think billy is also w/w with 4maskwolf having essentially tunneled them all day (and is highkey still doing that)?
Yes, pretty sure dya's just town here!!!
Regarding not moving it forward at all... I don't really get that sense? This has been a loud game, and any lack of effect in the thread is not for the lack of trying!!!!!
(Also apparently billy agrees with you but I very much don't agree with his incorrect take here!!)
I mean... I'm not really feeling it? Presumably thoughts are still happening even when they aren't in the thread, and them looking at the pocketing further feels fine!!! Actually possibly better than fine, considering that they moved off of that push after actually reading other stuff!!!nutella is vibing with these thoughts on vectorvector spent a LOT of time talking about how mistyx pulled attention away from beeboy then pretty immediately dropped it when I mentioned the spew from the beeboy pocket. it didn't feel like real progression. this was something he pushed over many posts
And this is me openly saying I'm a villager. Hi :VShade is indirectly calling someone sus.
This isn't me indirectly calling you sus this is me openly saying you're a wolf. Hi
Well thanks haha.
Yeah, I'll talk a little more about the Hally slot because that was one of my clearer reads from yesterday. I didn't like their chainsawing on MistyX (definitely something I would see a strong scum player doing), but I felt overall that their willingness to take on GH was a good sign. If my meta were the same as Hally's I think I'd be inclined to let GH fall under his own weight and try to keep away from that fight, and I would've focused on Esooa.
If there's anyone in particular you're curious about lmk, I'll be here for a bit.And yeah, I agree, at this point seeing Vanity's coolheadedness I'd probably give the slot a pass for today unless something unignorable happens. I think it's the kind of thing where it's easy for outsiders to misread.
(Dunno about 4mask's excuses, but I'm pretty sure my team's going to let me take point today >_>)
OK, off to do HW for real . . .
it is a very abrupt turnaround
Why does it feel like too quick of a turnaround versus just... re-evaluating?
Elaborate?
Noting that Hollowkatt's intensity and !!!!!!!!!!! is not exactly something that is missing from his mafia game, and him saying that he's only good for about a day and then drops off later is like... we're only going to be in here for a day, not sure what he's on about!!!
Champs game 1 is a thing and stuff, if you looked into that?
Okay, how so?
And my agreement with Vector on that post isn't just related to your push on them by the way; pretty sure it's happened otherwise today as well!!!
Lukundo, off the top of my head!!
Okay, here's the thing: how do you expect anyone to engage with this read when you just leave a one-liner like this?
Can you please elaborate a little? Is that literally all the team had to say about 4maskwolf?
Dya, what are your thoughts on Vector wanting a Kajot wagon? Also Amy for the read in general!!!
Also yes agreement with SmartBomb on Kajot's ISO being empty if town though yes she could just be busy!!!
Going to try and get more thoughts on Kajot in particular!!
Also dya what did you think of 4maskwolf in general?
My read is mostly applied to both people, pretty same consistency across!!!
This is a thing!!!!!!
I mean... I don't really agree with this?
I actually will be leaving for an hourish, so I'll leave it at the fact that I think they're approaching the game from very town perspectives of looking at people!!! As in, a lot of that takes they've made make a ton of sense upon trying to get into his brain and viewing the game where you don't have meta on basically anyone here, relative to most other teams!!!!
Also they haven't really pushed me at all, disagree with the general "pushing people that are easy to push" thing!!
Also I don't really think SR is a slot that was easy to push? Personally I tend to find him difficult to read anyway because of posting styles, but I feel like the points he's made on SR are just really reasonable!!!!
Ah, I was just referring to playstyle/typing style!!!
No worries though, you do you!!
My team also would like to point out that there's a ton of meta included in this read that I didn't really put down, and that the aggression is quite alignment-indicative!!!
Case on Hollowkatt, consolidated by Billy but generally agreed upon by here:
So, general day 2 stuff:
Hollowkatt coming into the day with an immediate focus on Ace when immediate suspicion was on GH... which is pretty contradictory to how they think town came in following up? Lissa/GH were secondadry later on in P#5258, where the aggressiveness is first noted though that's sort of obvious!!!
P#5258 - Calling GH outed is ??? when considering how they entered the thread, thoughts don't feel like they necessarily make sense!! Doesn't feel like they actually evaluated the slot and just said that!!
P#5311 - is weird with regards to thoughts on GH that seems distancing-like, point 3 in particular where the distinction between themselves/GH is weird for ??? reasons? Ran calling the TL push feels like trying to rewrite the EoD!!
Distancing from their EoD is weird in general, especially when they've been pushing on hydra dissonance and stuff for other people so much!!! General complete lack of self-doubt is ??? where posts from aroudn here until 5400ish essentially have no hesitation in stuff, which is also partially why they've been so difficult to interact with!!
P#6044 - just felt weird because they've been discussing spew/that stuff for a while already, but are only now bringing up their style? Doesn't really make sense thoughts-wise!!! P#6132 is there for comparison as well with not doing the legacy stuff, generally being overconfident/over-explainy!!
Other stuff regarding how their reads aren't really run by teammates as much as expected like the Punchy /Kajot reads, considering the style of team play that they're expecting everyone to do based on what they've quite loudly said for much of the day!!! Disparities in P#6170 and P#6185 of Ran's spew read versus it being Hollowkatt's are weird, don't really know why that changed!!
P#6232 -"why shes a wolf" is ???
P#6446 - More overconfidence in general, noting that this may be a stretch!!!
P#6465 - Bit ??? because of the way he came into the thread pushing Punchy!! As an aside, it feels like he expects people to overlook his Punchy read in terms of factoring it into his alignment, which is... ?
P#6524 - This is solely a billy thing where he dislikes how Lissa's team is called team 5 with them referring to a team number being something that mafia could be doing in mafia chat since it hasn't been done at all in the thread? Don't really agree with this at all but putting here anyway!!
P#6623 - Them claiming to be obvious town is ??? because their aggressiong/high-posting/investment is very present in their mafia games, and I'm pretty sure is also something that they themselves are conscious of!!
P#6714 - Where they started OMGUSing us... and now they're trying to flip the script and say that we are the ones OMGUSing them? Not going to go further on this, speaks for itself!!!!!!!
Sorry if some of this is worded weirdly, paraphrasing stuff; active team so far fairly adamant about this!!!
No? Don't really agree with this one!!!
The SmartBomb read is redacted actually; the overall read is fine though!!!!!I don't think that's necessarily wolfy? Not really for SmartBomb regardless, just feels like a very SmartBomb post and don't really have to much to say on it further I guess!! Not really getting the same intimidation sense!!
Thoughts from Tsunami are that while he's grump in general, he's grumpier in a different way as town? And the way that he's been grumpy today has been towny, apparently!!!
Aside from our team being a tad split on them, they're fine!!!
Okay, that makes sense!!!!!
Not the mixing us up because I feel like we're pretty distinct, but yeah!!!
Talk about your read on dya then maybe? Also who is even mixing us up?
Oh Vector discussion is hype; almost done typing this though, will hype shortly!!!!!
Granted I don't really have a case in general to say about him? It's just... a lot of stuff in general!!!
I don't think that's necessarily wolfy? Not really for SmartBomb regardless, just feels like a very SmartBomb post and don't really have to much to say on it further I guess!! Not really getting the same intimidation sense!!
Thoughts from Tsunami are that while he's grump in general, he's grumpier in a different way as town? And the way that he's been grumpy today has been towny, apparently!!!
Nice!!!
I'm still writing this stuff up, sorry; keep getting distracted by things!!
I feel like we've been circling on literally the same stuff for them and just that the read isn't necessarily getting developed further, not necessarily that he's not towny from stuff!!!i thought dota was town off *vibes* but that could just be personality, so i've reached the point where i think it's naiI'm down to talk about that!!!
Sort of ish, not really, but I'm here anyway; what are your thoughts on him?
Tried talking about it with vanity and a lot of the townread there is just that he's just like this as town, which... I'm okay with I guess? Beeboy stuff lightly decent!!
lol today has been shrug I guess; not really sure what else I expected though!!!
lol has done nothing memorable
He had 1 vest in anni? Pretty sure it was a hit no one died, then I just gladiated him!!!i don't really want to use that wording because it's weaker than what i'm actually thinking if that makes senseSo, TWTBAW it sounds like?
Just... not really something which I count out of his mafia-range, unless you think there is a reason that they wouldn't be!!! Although I'm still waiting to see if team has more takes on some of the other games linked, since they seem to be in an ISOing mood maybe?
Some/a lot of the posts he's made are just... are you really believing this? Even in the case you flip town, how did you actually, truly believe this case?
Anyways, who's supposed to be sane?
i think his anni(idk if anni; the mash were he randed that 5 BPV role) performance might be clouding my judgement
+1 to bolded
i think it was ran or marl i forget which teams they were on
I'm not really putting that game in as a major factor because mash meta differences and stuff!!
Regarding Hollowkatt, not really going to engage further there; if they have issues with me/us that go beyond calling us mafia, they are welcome to engage with us about it!!!
Aside from not necessarily agreeing on Kajot, there are... 5 mafia?
I would actually like to talk about Vector because it feels like a great deal of discussion on them today has essentially been me/Hollowkatt calling them really obvious town!!!
...Which is an interesting dynamic, but yeah!!
I'm down to talk about that!!!
Sort of ish, not really, but I'm here anyway; what are your thoughts on him?
Tried talking about it with vanity and a lot of the townread there is just that he's just like this as town, which... I'm okay with I guess? Beeboy stuff lightly decent!!
lol today has been shrug I guess; not really sure what else I expected though!!!
So, TWTBAW it sounds like?
Just... not really something which I count out of his mafia-range, unless you think there is a reason that they wouldn't be!!! Although I'm still waiting to see if team has more takes on some of the other games linked, since they seem to be in an ISOing mood maybe?
Some/a lot of the posts he's made are just... are you really believing this? Even in the case you flip town, how did you actually, truly believe this case?
Anyways, who's supposed to be sane?
##Vote hollowkatt
(I'm actually typing it out now, by the way!)
Why do you townread that slot, Punchy?
Billy thinks hollowkatt is mafia, by the way!!!
Right; yeah, I'm just... not engaging with that!!!
I think a lot of it is also that it feels like the people engaging with Hollowkatt are doing so futilely/not getting anywhere, which isn't exactly encouraging!!
Except maybe Ephemera!!! Speaking of which, did you talk about your takes on them today already?
Originally Posted by Abraxas
